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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the fifty five Carsy Morning Show Signal

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to signal ninety nine. Great to have you

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Speaker 2: on this morning. Good morning, real quick, I understand you

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Speaker 2: found Waldo. You've been having to go at Aftab Purval,

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Speaker 2: just the other day popped his head out of his

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Speaker 2: hole in the ground Signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Well, he was raising in the transgender flag for the city,

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Speaker 1: of course he was.

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Speaker 2: Well. That reflects his priorities, and now we can on

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Speaker 2: into his priorities, which include the placing police Chief Figi

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Speaker 2: placed on administrative leave. That report just came out, described

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Speaker 2: as a confidential memorandum from FBT Gibbons LLP, and they

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Speaker 1: Now that there's more than that, okay, But more importantly,

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Speaker 1: and the whole thing is farcical. That is not their report,

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Speaker 1: How great everything is now that he's there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I found tremendous fault with that because you know,

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Speaker 2: the idea that she was placed on administratively relates to

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Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with whether someone out in

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Speaker 2: all make arguments over who's better and who's not. And

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Speaker 2: the point I was making with regard to the total

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Speaker 2: They said they started with forty two witnesses, but not

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Speaker 2: Who among us hasn't criticized management when working in any organization,

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Speaker 2: We all have better ideas.

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Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, and not only that, if they if they

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Speaker 1: But my my favorite thing in that and that Barcacle

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Speaker 1: Well, the politics are she was sacrificed to save the

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Speaker 1: They claim that she failed to control the violence because

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Speaker 1: trying to take a slam at interim chief, Henny. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that these things happen. And let me tell

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Speaker 2: I thought we had a problem with juvenile crime in

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Speaker 2: You think that has something to do with the fact

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Speaker 1: Yeah, cutting the CPD by almost seven million dollars, it's

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Speaker 2: Well, looking at the role of police chief and what

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Speaker 1: Well, you know it all comes down to this. The

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Speaker 2: Now, and that is in this sort of summary report. First,

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Speaker 1: Right, correct. But he did just do that when they

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Speaker 2: Every day late and a dollar short. Had he gotten

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Speaker 1: So, oh, he's going to go down as the worst

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Speaker 2: Hold on though, let us go compare that comment to

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Speaker 2: You take take about thirty of them from the largest

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Speaker 1: You know, it's all cherry pick. It's blowney, Okay, it's

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Speaker 2: I think given that the report concludes that police Chief

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Speaker 2: administrative lead placement. Obviously you have a problem with it.

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Speaker 2: I did too. It's all very subjective. Just a small

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Speaker 1: it's a nothing biscuit. We're not going to charge him.

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Speaker 1: And so what they did was they overcharged him. So

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Speaker 1: the disorderly conduct charge that they chose carried thirty days

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Speaker 1: they promised everybody, Oh, he's going to do time. No

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Speaker 1: he's not. And here's why, because in terms, Henny's the

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Speaker 1: So Captain Henny at the time, came in and signed

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Speaker 1: best detectives. Okay, now fast forward. How do you go

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Speaker 1: to court? Well, if Chief PG and the two detectives

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Speaker 1: what's he going to say on the stand? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: signed charges for a case I never investigated because I

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Speaker 1: he would he would if I were him and I

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Speaker 1: had to go to court on that, I'd probably plead

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Speaker 1: the fish because I mean, how do you get your

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Speaker 1: how do you worm your way out of that? You know,

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Speaker 1: it was altruistic why he did it, but he did

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Speaker 1: it anyway. He did save huge detectives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have said no as well.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. If they all said no, what

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Speaker 2: I know, if the city fired them because they refused

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Speaker 2: to charge someone because there was not evidence of a crime,

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Speaker 2: then they have more lawsuits on their hands. Wouldn't they

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Speaker 2: Signal ninety nine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're going to have a doozy with Alex.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that he's going to sue them

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Speaker 1: the Kingdom come and I hope he's listening, and good

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Speaker 1: luck to you, Alex. I fully expect that lawsuit to

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Speaker 1: drop probably this week.

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Speaker 2: Alex Chrunsky versus the City of Cincinnati, do you think

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Speaker 2: there'll be specifically named individuals in that one or just

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Speaker 2: the city generally speaking signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Well, if I was his attorney, I would to the city,

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Speaker 1: and I would tow Dottie Johnson and Damon Lance and

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Speaker 1: Iris Rowley and the mayor. Oh, and I would go

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Speaker 1: after all of them individually too, the ones that pushed

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Speaker 1: for it the hardest and the ones that made public

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know what, wouldn't it be a beautiful

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Speaker 2: thing if that lawsuit does get filed and they get

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Speaker 2: to do discovery, they get to swear witnesses in and

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Speaker 2: depose them, and we then will find out all that

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Speaker 2: went on behind the scenes, or they'll just outright live.

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Speaker 2: But I think it would be very beneficial to the

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Speaker 2: residents of the city of Cincinnati, who know exactly how

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Speaker 2: this unfolded based on witness testimony in a civil suit.

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Speaker 2: That'd be cool.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and not to mention, Cheryl Long is awful

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Speaker 1: at deposition. He is horrendous at depositions. So I'd like

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Speaker 1: to know how you know he Fiji who never got

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Speaker 1: a review or a write up? If if her performance

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Speaker 1: how come there was never a come to Jesus talk like, hey,

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Speaker 1: chief Fiji, you better get your act together. We're putting

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Speaker 1: disciplinary action. She was doing such a bad job, why

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is to that point, how is

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Speaker 2: decided they need to get rid of her for political reasons.

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Speaker 2: They had nothing. They didn't even come out loud and say,

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Speaker 2: we suspect we've had lots of reports of you know,

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Speaker 2: the leadership being in terrible. She's a she's a dictator.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't listen to anybody. Nothing they could have said

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, they and they didn't. It was a

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Speaker 1: nothing biscuit. Then it's a nothing biscuit now it's all

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Speaker 1: supposition and conjecture, all of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And what's going to come of the six point

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Speaker 2: or six million plus cut almost seven million cut from

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Speaker 2: the to the police department? Is this I don't know

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Speaker 2: it is budgeting time. Is this like a threat? I mean,

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Speaker 2: are they Are they really saying we're going to cut

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Speaker 2: police funding when we have all these different organizations, non

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Speaker 2: governmental and otherwise and stupid pet projects like green solar

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Speaker 2: arrays that they're putting money toward eight million dollars for

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Speaker 2: the Riverbend project. Can they really justify a cut to

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Speaker 2: the police Department of these trying times Signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Before we part company, Absolutely not, especially coming into we're

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Speaker 1: coming into the warmer weather. The gang violence never stopped

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Speaker 1: through the winner. The juvenile violence is just starting to

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Speaker 1: kick off. It's just going to be a free for

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Speaker 1: all and the Siegic falls. We're in big trouble, big, big,

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Speaker 1: big trouble.

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Speaker 2: Well, one things for sure, we know you will be

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Speaker 2: letting us know about it before anybody in local news

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Speaker 2: will know about it. Signal ninety nine on Facebook. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time of late and you talk to

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Speaker 2: local media all the time. You are specifically cited by

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Speaker 2: local media. You are a powerful influence of the city

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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati and I'm glad to have access to a

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Speaker 2: conversation with you. I know my listeners are as well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again,