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Speaker 1: It's Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Has the rain stopped? Have you looked outside? Has the

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Speaker 2: that later on tonight. Good evening, everybody. My name is

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Speaker 2: Dan Ray, calling her from a water soaked New England,

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Speaker 2: certainly in water soaked Massachusetts, Rhode Island in Connecticut. It's

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Speaker 2: been unbelievable, unbelievable. We will talk about that tonight at

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock. It's raining and it's pouring. And later on

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Speaker 2: tonight we'll talk about day fourteen of the government shutdown.

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Speaker 2: But first we have four guests, interesting guests during our

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Speaker 2: night side news update. And before I do that, I

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Speaker 2: want to send a big, special birthday greeting to a

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Speaker 2: longtime and loyal nightside listener, former court officer here in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: Bob Grimes of Milton, Massachusetts. I'm told that Bob has

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Speaker 2: a big birthday coming up. We won't we don't mention birthdates, obviously,

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Speaker 2: And I'm told that Bob loves really two things. He

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Speaker 2: has some of each. So Bob, happy birthday. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: being such a loyal night side listener. You have a

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Speaker 2: some great relatives in that family, including your sister, who

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Speaker 2: we'll leave it at that. Congratulations Bob, Happy birthday. All right,

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Speaker 2: We are on to our first guest this evening. My

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Speaker 2: name is Dan Ray. I am the host of the show.

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Speaker 2: Rob Brooks is back in the control room, and our

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Speaker 2: first guest bounting lead off tonight from Zoo New England

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Speaker 2: is Caitlin McCartin. She's a campaignator coordinator for Zoo New England.

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Speaker 2: They have what's called a First of all, they have

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Speaker 2: a great gorilla sanctuary at Friends and Park Zoo. Caitlin,

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Speaker 2: I love going in and watching the gorillas, and the

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Speaker 2: only thing I love more than that is the the

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Speaker 2: impregnable plexiglass that is between me and all the grillers.

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Speaker 3: Well, and also you mentioned a birthday. Today was actually Pablo,

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Speaker 2: So oh, I've seen Oh, I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 2: Pablo's I've seen Pablo many times, many many times. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it's great. It is really a wonderful, wonderful exhibit,

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Speaker 2: and that whole Gorilla Sanctuary is my favorite part of

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Speaker 2: the Zoo, amongst many favorite parts. But you run a

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Speaker 2: program called Gorillas of the Line Campaign and it's really

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Speaker 2: quite simple and it's benefited habitats that are impacted by

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Speaker 2: money from minerals. For all the stuff we have in

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Speaker 2: our cell phones in the home territor, stories of these

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that. You know

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Speaker 3: what we all have sitting in our pockets, all these

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Speaker 3: small electronics like cell phones. They have a mineral called

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Speaker 3: you know, one of the biggest threats to gorilla populations

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Speaker 3: their survival. And that's why back in twenty eighteen, the

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Speaker 3: on the Line campaign, and it's a cell phone recycling

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Speaker 3: drive that raises awareness about the issue, It supports gorilla

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Speaker 2: So it sounds like such a wonderful gesture, but it

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Speaker 3: I think the goal here is awareness, you know, and

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Speaker 3: So coltan is just a small part of the larger

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Speaker 3: were coming to the zoo. They wanted to run this campaign,

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Speaker 2: So what else can be done? I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this this campaign is really geared towards the

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Speaker 3: and our funds go towards the Cross River gorilla. They

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Speaker 3: the Cross River Gorilla Safe Program. It's we're working with

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Speaker 3: it's wonderful to see the funds go there.

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Speaker 2: Coming back to the cell phones, in other words, the

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Speaker 2: Is that how that works? Are is that, as you said,

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Speaker 2: really more public awareness. I'm just I thought that the

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Speaker 2: you know, allowed companies to recycle the minerals in cell

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right. Yeah, so it's awareness campaign. But we

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Speaker 2: Right, and then the particular type of gorilla you mentioned

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Speaker 3: Well, every gorilla.

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Speaker 2: Is a guess, but there was one that you said,

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Speaker 3: Well, the cross River River Cross River gorilla is the

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Speaker 2: And so just give my audience some perspective. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: interested in this. How many cross river gorillas? Whenever we

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Speaker 2: So other than going to the zoo and finding and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you. Coming to the zoo is great.

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Speaker 3: We always support that. But if you want to go

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Speaker 3: to our website, it's Donewengland dot org slash Stave Gorillas.

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Speaker 3: I have all the information about being a partner there,

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Speaker 3: So if you want to fill out the form, I

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Speaker 3: graphics FAQs and then you know, as I mentioned, working

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Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds great, great opportunity again, Zoo New England

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Speaker 3: Dot org dot orga gorilla Save Gorillas.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just wanted to make sure we always like people

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Andrea Sachs. I'm not exactly sure how she chooses to

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Speaker 2: Uh Andrea, however she pronounces it right after this about

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Speaker 2: My next guest is and Andrea or Andrea. I don't

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Speaker 2: correct pronunciation of the name Andrea or Andrea?

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Speaker 5: Well, my mom is listening, so let's say Andrea. But

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Speaker 5: I will respond to Andrea. But Andrea's fine, Andrew's great.

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Speaker 2: Andrea. Okay, Now you grew up here, and I know

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Speaker 2: your last name's pretty easy. At Sachs. You're a Washington

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Speaker 2: Post travel reporter, and it says you're a Massachusetts native.

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Speaker 2: where do you hail here in Massachusetts? What town or

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm Western, but we just moved east. Well I'm

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Speaker 5: in DC. But my let's see if we were in

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Speaker 2: Oh great, whereabouts it in the we We broadcasted in

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Speaker 2: five cyber travel scams that you're going to help protect

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Speaker 2: not only people here in Massachusetts, but all across New England.

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Speaker 5: So America, I know, I learned like they target everybody,

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Speaker 2: Why don't we start with the one that you feel

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Speaker 5: You go right ahead, okay, and we just picked five.

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Speaker 5: There are many money out there, but.

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Speaker 2: You start with five will bring you back. We can

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the worst is the sneakiest one because

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Speaker 2: You know, I know that we're not supposed to hate people,

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure you've all gotten this texting that you

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Speaker 5: Well, this one happened to one of our New england Ers. Well,

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Speaker 5: his name is Joel, and he'd been searching you to

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Speaker 5: Mark and air Quotes stole the listing from VRBO and

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Speaker 2: Like Mark never sent the money to anybody. Mark sent

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Speaker 5: Let's see what else. Oh no, I find done my

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Speaker 2: The grandparent one where they they were able to call.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I took.

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Speaker 2: Grandma right, yeah, I'm in trouble. I was caught smoking

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Speaker 5: Well, I know, and I did the other one. This

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Speaker 5: And so usually it's like the puzzle or you used

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Speaker 5: So if it's not a brig.

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Speaker 2: Explain that to me, right. It isn't like you're looking

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Speaker 5: They're going to say to you, challenging, I have to say.

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Speaker 2: Which is very challenging, absolutely, particularly if you've had a

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Speaker 2: So when you say keystrokes, they'll say to you, you

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Speaker 5: And that allows you Yeah, they'll do like do control

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Speaker 5: Yep. Yeah, yeah, if.

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Speaker 2: Any if anybody sends anything to you that you don't recognize,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I must have. I must have deleted it.

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Speaker 5: Oh sure, Yeah, I just felt the turn up truck. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm not falling for this scam. It actually was jerry duty,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's okay, this no big deal. They're going

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Speaker 2: missing an email. Absolutely, they should send us stuff through

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Speaker 2: the mail if they have a tough time in Paneling.

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Speaker 2: Juris and Andrea Sacks, I really loved our conversation. Come

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Speaker 2: on back soon. We'll do it again and say how

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Speaker 2: do are your family members for me?

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Speaker 5: Okay, I will thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're very welcome. And by the way, our interview will

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Speaker 2: podcast form. You can pull that down your relatives can

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Speaker 2: on Nightside made the big time. Okay, actually the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: I say that tongue and cheek. Working for the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: That's big time too. Congratulations, Thank you, You're very welcome.

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Speaker 2: Will we come back right after the news at the

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Speaker 2: Side right after the news at the bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed, Andrea, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray

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Speaker 2: on Boston's news radio. Well, we're talking with Michael Nodler.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the research on this paper and he's

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Speaker 2: head of the UMass Transportation Center Center. Michael, are you

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Speaker 2: to I want to know, characterize you as professor Nodelok.

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Speaker 4: I am indeed, Yeah, thanks Rash.

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Speaker 2: Well my pleasure, you've earned it. So it's professor nodelok.

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Speaker 2: So they have this traffic signal. Now, I'm a longtime

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Speaker 2: Massachusetts driver, Okay, I've had dealt with cross signals. You know,

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Speaker 2: the lights go yellow, you slow down, the person crosses,

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Speaker 2: the lights go away, keep it simple, and then you

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Speaker 2: move through. I've looked at the report that was on

436
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Speaker 2: Channel four in which you were interviewed, and you were good.

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Speaker 2: You explained what they are. But these just seemed to

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Speaker 2: me to be unnecessarily complicated. Single red, double red, single yellow,

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Speaker 2: double yellow, full yellow, blinking. It looks as if they

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Speaker 2: want to cause traffic headaches and not solve them. I

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Speaker 2: got to tell you, this is the Massachusetts Department of Transportation.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's doing this across the state. I

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Speaker 2: guess there's forty of these already. They look to me

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Speaker 2: like a disaster waiting to happen. I'm trying to stay

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Speaker 2: down the middle on this one, Professor, but I really

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Speaker 2: can't as a long time Massachusetts driver. Is there any

447
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Speaker 2: benefit to these other than to confused drivers and cause

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Speaker 2: more accents yet?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, Actually there's a lot of benefits. In fact,

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Speaker 4: on the plus side, in Massachusetts, we're sort of late

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Speaker 4: to the game. A lot of other states have already

452
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Speaker 4: started adopting me. They've actually been in existence for more

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Speaker 4: than twenty years now and a lot of other states

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Speaker 4: with a lot of success, so they do have a

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Speaker 4: proven safety record. And so you mentioned is exactly one

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Speaker 4: of the reasons that we took up the study that

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Speaker 4: you know, we know that they have these benefits, but

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Speaker 4: if you know, if we're not going to realize those

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Speaker 4: benefits unless we make sure that drivers and the pedestrians

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Speaker 4: are using them as intended and understanding what it is.

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Speaker 4: And you know, so the beauty of these is they're

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Speaker 4: they're not really traffic signals. They're they're meant to actually

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Speaker 4: make it better for drivers in that they provide both efficiency. Right,

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Speaker 4: So one of one of the things we hear all

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Speaker 4: the time from drivers is, uh, you know, a pedestrian

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Speaker 4: pushes the button, the pedestrian crosses, and within eight seconds

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Speaker 4: they're gone. And now they're sitting there at the traffic signal, waiting, waiting, waiting,

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Speaker 4: watching the you know, the countdown go. Now with these

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Speaker 4: these you know sort of there're almost like a half signal,

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Speaker 4: if you will. Now you know, in that situation, vehicles

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Speaker 4: are able to go and you know, the pedestrians cleared out.

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Speaker 4: It's safe to go. And so even though you know

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Speaker 4: there there was some confusion, by and large, most people

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Speaker 4: knew exactly what it is that they were supposed to

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Speaker 4: do with most of the intervals that they encountered.

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Speaker 2: Well, the article that I read here said that it

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Speaker 2: was so confusing that I think your research or your

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Speaker 2: group's research found that twenty five percent of people who

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Speaker 2: were running the red light.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they weren't, so they're the good news is right.

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Speaker 4: So when the drivers are seeing a solid red, it's

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Speaker 4: like you would in a regular let's see traffic signal.

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Speaker 4: That's when the pedestrians have that you know, the white

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Speaker 4: walk phase, So the pedestrians are crossing safety then and

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Speaker 4: then really that flashing red is happening when the when

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Speaker 4: the pedestrians are seeing you know, the flashing don't walk indication,

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Speaker 4: and so that's that's really meant to be an indication

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Speaker 4: of a stop sign. And so one of the things

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Speaker 4: that we saw is that first vehicle might stop, but

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Speaker 4: then once that vehicle goes, it's like the second or

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Speaker 4: third vehicle that tend to follow them through kind of

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Speaker 4: like if you're at a regular stop Siglet's say, so,

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Speaker 4: let me ask.

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Speaker 2: You since you like this idea, okay, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's horrible, but I respect you. You probably know more

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Speaker 2: about this than I do, except I've driven here for

497
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Speaker 2: a long long time. I don't know if you're a

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Speaker 2: long time ass that chooses driver as well, but my folly.

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Speaker 2: But my question is, but you're younger than me, trust

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Speaker 2: me on that anyway, take that as a compliment. What

501
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Speaker 2: is our rating currently? The system we have, as I

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Speaker 2: think everybody knows, is red light meat stop. Yellow light

503
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Speaker 2: means slow down if you can go through the intersection

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Speaker 2: safely with a yellow light, but most people will slow down.

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Speaker 2: Green means co and on pedestrian crosswalks for the most part,

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Speaker 2: someone presses the button, the yellow lights flash, everybody slows down,

507
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Speaker 2: weights stops, and the person passes. What where do we

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Speaker 2: stand on let us say, you know, pedestrians being hit

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Speaker 2: by cars in crosswalks with these yellow lights on a

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Speaker 2: per capita basis compared to.

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Speaker 4: Other states, Yeah, no, So, I mean it's one of

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Speaker 4: the things just nationwide, pedestrian fatalities are up, and so

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Speaker 4: Massachusetts is no different. We've seen some years of upticks

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Speaker 4: in the pedestrian fatalities, and that's why I think you're

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Speaker 4: seeing a lot more of the conversation being had around

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Speaker 4: not just pedestrians, but in sort of all the different

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Speaker 4: types of develops.

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Speaker 2: No, but there must be statistics. I think you're ducking

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Speaker 2: my question here a little bit. I assume there must

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Speaker 2: be statistics, because we have statistics on everything. You know, Massachusetts,

521
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Speaker 2: you know, is the highest this or the best in that.

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Speaker 2: Where do we stand amongst the fifty states?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I'm not sure off the top of my

524
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Speaker 4: head where exactly we stand in terms of the pedestrian statistics.

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Speaker 4: But it is, you know, it is. It's a natural trend.

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Speaker 4: It's not just here in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's fine. So then the question is this,

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Speaker 2: if we are amongst the more, if we're on wouldn't

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Speaker 2: as a predicate here you have to have a statistic

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Speaker 2: that shows that we have a higher percentage on a

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Speaker 2: per capita basis of pedestrian accidents in crosswalks. I doubt

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Speaker 2: that we do.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, we definitely, we're definitely. I mean, so again,

534
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Speaker 4: it's the naturally and so it's honestly on a per

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Speaker 4: capita basis. It's just that we've seen our pedestrian fatalities

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Speaker 4: continue to climb and as a result of that, that's why,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think you're seeing attention towards some of

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Speaker 4: the different safety measures that exist. You know, you mentioned

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Speaker 4: the you know, sort of the precursor of this, those

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Speaker 4: those rectangular rapid flashing beacons which are used at a

541
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Speaker 4: lot of locations, and they weren't great too. They're a

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Speaker 4: safety measure. This PHB installation that we're talking about, it

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Speaker 4: actually is sort of the next level up.

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Speaker 2: So it's how much is these system? How much is

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Speaker 2: this system going to cost the state statewide? Give any idea?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, most of these, most of the installations that you've

547
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Speaker 4: seen aren't necessarily even at the state level. There happening

548
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Speaker 4: at the local municipal level. But it's it's around fifty

549
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Speaker 4: sixty thousand dollars per installation.

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Speaker 2: Fifty sixty thousand dollars, so.

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Speaker 4: Which is much deeper than a typical traffic signal.

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Speaker 2: Let's say, well, I don't know, the professor, You've been

553
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: a great guest, you haven't convinced me this is one

554
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Speaker 2: I'm going to take up some night. I'll tell you

555
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: what I'd love to do with you, if you wouldn't mind,

556
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: come on back pull your statistics together and let's you know,

557
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: let's deal with this because the Department of Transportation right

558
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: now in Massachusetts is a mess. I'm sure you've seen

559
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Speaker 2: the problem with the toll plaza contract that is now

560
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: a huge problem here in Massachusetts. So you're you're dealing

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Speaker 2: with the Department of Transportation that I've seen real problems with.

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Speaker 2: And I'm I've been around a long time doing this,

563
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Speaker 2: and I'm very familiar with with Massachusetts drivers, and you know,

564
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Speaker 2: we have our share of knuckleheads, There's no doubt about that,

565
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Speaker 2: and we have our share of accidents. But before I

566
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Speaker 2: would be spending a lot of money and changing a

567
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Speaker 2: system that people that are at least used to, I'd

568
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Speaker 2: want to see some backup on it. So we may

569
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Speaker 2: call you back if you'd be up to it, and

570
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: we could take some phone calls from listeners. And you know,

571
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Speaker 2: I like to be honest with my guest. If I

572
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Speaker 2: thought this was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I'd

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Speaker 2: tell you.

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Speaker 4: But I'd be happy to come back and love to

575
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Speaker 4: chat with you further about it and look at some

576
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Speaker 4: of those statistics.

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Speaker 2: That would be great, because I'm just working on instincts

578
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Speaker 2: and that's not fair to you, because obviously your researcher,

579
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Speaker 2: and I want to be respectful of your position and

580
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Speaker 2: also your experience. So I thank you very much for

581
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Speaker 2: having a little bit of a fun conversation that I

582
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Speaker 2: feel a little different than you expected. But it was fun.

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Speaker 2: It was fun for me.

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Speaker 4: I hope it was fun for you as well. Likewise,

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the time and thanks for having out.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We come back when you talk

587
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Speaker 2: with WBZ TV meteorlogist Jacob Wycoff about some new microscopic

588
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: worms attacking trees here in the Northeast. This is scary.

589
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Speaker 2: We'll be back right after the break.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Jacob Wycoff, meteorologist and WBZTV Jacob

592
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Speaker 2: Dan Ray here. How are you tonight. I'm doing well.

593
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Speaker 2: I worked at BUZ, as you know, for a long time.

594
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Speaker 2: I don't think our paths crossed because I've been out

595
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Speaker 2: of there for about eighteen years. But first of all,

596
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Speaker 2: I think you do a great job, and the entire

597
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: weather team does a great job there. Someone told me

598
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Speaker 2: you were a punter on a college football team.

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Speaker 6: I was a kicker, yes, so.

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Speaker 2: Not a punter, a placekicker. So you got to put

601
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Speaker 2: points on the board.

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Speaker 6: I try to as best as I could.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's okay, that's okay. It was a New

604
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Speaker 2: England college. I think someone told me.

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Speaker 6: It was Western Connecticut State University.

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Speaker 2: Nice nice o.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so D three school, small school. Not too many

608
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Speaker 6: meteorology schools around the country, and this is probably one

609
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Speaker 6: of the smaller ones that I could walk off.

610
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Speaker 2: All right, nothing wrong. You must have done that in

611
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Speaker 2: high school as well, I assume if you did it

612
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Speaker 2: as a.

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Speaker 6: Walk on exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: We didn't have a soccer team in my high school,

616
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Speaker 6: so that was the next closest thing for me.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent. And I got to ask this because I

618
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Speaker 2: want you to brag here a little bit. What was

619
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Speaker 2: your range? Could you hit from forty forty yards? I

620
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Speaker 2: mean that's.

621
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Speaker 6: I would I was pretty solid within fifty. After we

622
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Speaker 6: got past fifty, it was a little giver give her take.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a good kicker. I mean, if you can

624
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Speaker 2: hit it from fifty's, that's damn good, damn good.

625
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Speaker 6: My longest in the game was forty seven, so I'll

626
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Speaker 6: take that any day.

627
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. You must have hit that one clean, that's for sure.

628
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Speaker 2: You know any book. Congratulations. So let's microscopic worms. That

629
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Speaker 2: sounds like something the doctor will tell you have when

630
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: you goin with a stomach egg. I got some microscopic

631
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: worms in there. What should I do about that one dog?

632
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Speaker 2: They're attacking the trees. How did they get here?

633
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So this is a really interesting story that I

634
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 6: just doubled upon on a different story that I was

635
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Speaker 6: working on. But these are nematods, microscopic nematods that first

636
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 6: were discovered in Ohio back in twenty twelve, and through

637
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 6: various means. We're still kind of trying to figure them

638
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 6: out exactly, but we think through the wind, through birds,

639
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 6: and also through other insects. They've traveled from sort of

640
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 6: the Ohio River Valley eastward and basically what they're doing

641
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 6: is these little and when I say microscopic, you literally

642
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 6: cannot see them, but they are just destroying beach trees.

643
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Speaker 6: So they eat the leaves, they eat the buds on

644
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Speaker 6: the trees, and within you know, two to three years,

645
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Speaker 6: they can kill some of these younger beach trees.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have a grow of beach trees where I live,

647
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Speaker 2: it's one of the largest groves of beach trees in

648
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Speaker 2: New England. I'm told about eighteen beach trees and that

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Speaker 2: they're they're under attack. Now now I understand what's attacking them.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything that can be done? I know that

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00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: the people who owned the property, we do not own

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00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: the property where the beach trees sit. I know that

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00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: they have tried to save the beach trees. Once these

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00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: worms attach, what's the solution, what's the response or is

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Speaker 2: there one?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I should start with saying there's no cure

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00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 6: for beach leaf disease, but there are treatment options that

658
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 6: are that have shown good promise to things. So there's

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00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 6: plungicides that are approved for use in Massachusetts. You can

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00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 6: also do soil injections basically the root player. Some of

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00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 6: these old beach trees, you know, there are one hundred

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00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 6: and one hundred and fifty years old. They have massive trunks. Yeah,

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00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 6: they're beautiful and they have these exposed roots. So we

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00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 6: found that soil injections and root injections can also really help.

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00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 6: They also have developed I know the story that I

666
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 6: worked with Bartle tree experts. They have a spray that

667
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 6: they put on the leaves of the trees that have

668
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 6: also knocked down some of the population of these nematodes,

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Speaker 6: and then just overall health of the tree, like improving

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00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 6: the pH balance of the soil around it. So basically

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00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 6: you're making the tree as healthy as possible so that

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00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 6: it can try to fight back against the nematodes. But

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Speaker 6: like I said, there's it's not like you know, you

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00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 6: take a pill and it's all gone. You're going to

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00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 6: be doing this year after year, every couple of years.

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Speaker 2: What's the history in Ohio? Have they been in Ohio

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Speaker 2: forever or that's where they started? Have any idea how

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00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: they got to Ohio? Or are they just endemic to Ohio.

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00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 6: So it's one of those things that I think that

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00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 6: you know, through kind of evolution, they may have been

682
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: there for a little while, and and diseases and these

683
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 6: types of things kind of evolve a little bit. It's

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00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 6: kind of like the Dutch elm disease, right, it might

685
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 6: have been lingering in certain pockets of the of the

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00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: world and then it kind of hits a place that

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00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 6: it hasn't hit before and then explodes a little bit.

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Speaker 6: And so there's nothing to say like, oh, the Ohioan's

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00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 6: created this. Yeah, yeah, but but I think that we

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00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: you know, especially in New England. The story that I

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Speaker 6: did for WBCTV, I mentioned Maine, they have a really

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00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 6: huge beech tree population and in a lot of officials

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00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 6: up north are really worried that. You know, you can

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 6: treat your your eighteen trees in your backyard, that's going

695
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 6: to be kind of expensive. But imagine a whole forest,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 2: Ye boy, this is this is a tough story, Jacob,

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Speaker 2: Thanks for making us aware of that. People should be

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00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: checking out out any beach trees in their neighborhood. If

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00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: those beach trees look like they're failing, you got to

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Speaker 2: jump on it as early as you can to have

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00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: to have any hope at all. Jacob, really enjoyed chatting

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00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: with you and never get a chance to work with you.

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Speaker 2: But forty seven yard field goal, that's that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty damn good my quessure, right, Thanks Jacob and

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Speaker 2: Joy say on my pals at WBZ, some of them

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Speaker 2: actually who are still there, say had to Lisa and

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Speaker 2: David and some of the other folks who are there

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Speaker 2: as well. Okay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: We'll do all right.

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Speaker 2: That is it for this edition of Nightside News. Update.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to talk about how

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Speaker 2: you last couple of days have been, because it's been

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Speaker 2: miserable here in New England, particularly Southern New England. Love

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Speaker 2: to hear some stories about what you did. Did you

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00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: just pull those covers up over your head and go

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Speaker 2: back to sleep. I did that a couple of mornings

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Speaker 2: and actually feel pretty good as a result. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back right after the nine o'clock news here on Nightside