1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Stunning strikes, shot back to last second saves the Orange 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: and Blue deliver drama every game. 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: And if that won't give you goosebumps, I don't know 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: what will. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: FC Cincinnati Soccer lives. 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: Here, Bayard dan Fee, Kidnap Bailey Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 3: Paul Dayner Junior is here, and we are so soaked 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: to talk to him because in fifty five minutes, theoretically 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: the Bengals can tag Trey Hendrickson and I am absolutely 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: gonna do everything I can to just gnaw every even 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: most minuscule piece of meat off to Trey Hendrickson bone. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: I'm not sure I like how that sounds anyway. So 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 3: Paul's here. In an hour, we have on Derek Cardy 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 3: Derek Carty over the weekend. You know, this is the 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 3: power of the internet. Reds fans like shame Derek Carty 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 3: into changing his opinion about the Reds. He's this ESPN 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: analytics betting expert who said the Reds are going to 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: go under their posted total because they're going to have 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: close to a bottom five starting rotation. Now I don't 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 3: agree with that. Nobody did. The Internet shame Derek Carty 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: into backtracking, and so he is going to talk about 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: his process, his thoughts on the reds, and maybe with 23 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: the meanest thing that anybody said to him was That 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: is coming up at four oh five. Full show preview 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: is available on Twitter right now at Moeger thanks to 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: share facts credit Union. Share Facts credit Union is your 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: credit union and you can become a member right now 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: at share facts dot org. Also, we are as we 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: have the last couple of weeks, we're streaming this hour 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: with Paul in studio on Twitter. So you could watch this. 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 3: This is really exciting. You could watch a radio show, 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: watch two middle aged guys talk about football. It's very exciting. 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: At Moegger on Twitter. Go ahead and watch how we 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: doing Paul. 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Have you thought with Derek Carty maybe 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: bringing out a list of all the mean comments that 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: people made as take and reading them to him periodically 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: in between his points. I've heard that it can be 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 2: very funny thing that you can do, and I might 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: do this. 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: We're going to sort of have to to get a 42 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 3: feel for what kind of sense of humor Derek has, 43 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: you know, because there's only there's a certain type of 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: person you can do that with someone who doesn't take 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: themselves that seriously, like Present Company. Yes, I don't know 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 3: if Derek is sensitive to internet comments. I mean, the 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: dude has been taken an absolute pounding on social media. 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: So it's not great to be the villain of the week. 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 3: No, but I told him that on I DMed him 50 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: a big DM guy love DM and people love it, 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: love sliding in. 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 2: Don't do that. 53 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: And I DM him and I'm like, hey, man, I'm 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 3: here in Cincinnati, I do radio. You are taking an 55 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 3: absolute pummeling. My apologies. Want to come on the radio. 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, sure, no problem, And I'm like, cool, 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: I'm not going to add to the chorus of people 58 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: just destroying you. 59 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: I just have questions. I appreciate somebody willing to come 60 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: on and be like, yeah, let's do it. You know what. 61 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: No need to hide. 62 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: Then when I announced on social media Derek is joining 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: us on Tuesday, it was like, yeah, get them. 64 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not what we do. 65 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 3: No, No, that's not Get him and say you have 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: this take, I want to know more about it. Explain 67 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: let's have a fun, friendly conversation about baseball. 68 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we're allowed to just discuss it like rational people. 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: I appreciate that and I've always enjoyed That's why I'm here. 70 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: I like coming on here. 71 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: We're by the way, Paul Danner Junior covering the Bengals 72 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: for the Athletic dot Com. He's got the Growler podcast. 73 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 3: Latest episode came out a short while ago with the 74 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: great Steve Paulozolo. 75 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: He's so good. Can't believe he didn't want me today. 76 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I I have aliens topics that we need 77 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: to go over, like there was actual aliens news. Normally 78 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: we kind of just make up aliens news a news, 79 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: but there's real news. So I actually felt like we 80 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: did miss a bit of an opportunity. But Steve was 81 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: so great, he went long. You were allowed to have 82 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: a week off. 83 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: Thanks, thank you so much. By the way, Paul has 84 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: done mock draft zero point five. You could read that 85 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: at the Athletic dot Com. And we are going to 86 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: get to that. But we have to talk about the 87 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: tag window opening up. 88 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: This is great. It feels like Christmas morning, does it. Yeah, 89 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: there's a different Holliwau. This is this is my last 90 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: go around with this in all likelihood, Yeah, that's true. 91 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: Potentially we maybe are finally getting to the end. Can 92 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: you imagine if it's not. That's all I keep going 93 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 2: back to. There's just like the you know, it's always 94 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: know how I feel so used to going down the 95 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 2: darkest timeline over here, Like I just feel like we're 96 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: always I'm so prepared for that that all I get 97 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: in my head is what if they go down the 98 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: darkest timeline? Please don't do this, Please don't do this. 99 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: Just let this. Let this be the last bit of 100 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson news, this window, and whatever happens at the 101 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: end of the window, just please be it whatever it is. 102 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 2: Do not let this draw out and continue. Although you're 103 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: I'm sure you would love it for the sake of content. 104 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as a Bengals fan, I don't want Trey 105 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: hendricks And to play for the team anymore. 106 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: I'm ready for this to be over. 107 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 3: As a quote content creator, dude, are you kidding me? 108 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: This has been the gift that has kept on giving 109 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: for a while. I'm not ready to give it up. 110 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: This is like being in like a weird like a 111 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: pseudo toxic relationship, but like the craziness is something you 112 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: just can't totally quit. 113 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: It's kind of how I feel about this, Yeah, that's fair. 114 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: I feel like it's just distracting from a really important time. 115 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: Like I feel like we're spending a lot of time 116 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 2: energy from what I see out there, yes, discussing the 117 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: potential acquisition of a third round pick. Right when how 118 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: many words did you get out of this last week? 119 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: Eleven hundred in the part of a middle of a 120 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: three part series. Not last week. This was multile weeks ago. 121 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 2: I got ahead of it, but because now I wanted 122 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 2: to leave this time open to focus on a really, 123 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: really important week for this team. And I feel like 124 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: there's not enough people recognizing that we're less than three 125 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: weeks away from the start of the tampering period, when 126 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: this team has to check off a number of different boxes, 127 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: none of them really have to do with Trey Hendrickson, 128 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: and I am finding myself diving more into that more 129 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: obsession over players that feel like they maybe are becoming 130 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: available in terms of, you know, the teams that are 131 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: starting to work out who's going to go, the potential 132 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: of trades that are starting to bubbling up beyond the 133 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson situation, and I just think this is one 134 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 2: thing that they need to do and because of who 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: he is in the history, I understand. Yeah, I just 136 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: feel like, hey, there's a lot bigger fish to fry 137 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: here for this team right now now that they don't 138 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: know all of it. But just like that's kind of 139 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: where my mind has gone, is that free agency is 140 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: kind of where I'm looking at stuff right now, and 141 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: you're seeing what they need to be doing and they 142 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: should be getting closer to thinking about that unless you know, 143 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: domination of the news cycle with like are they going 144 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: to be able to tag in trade tre you said 145 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: trades bubbling up? Is that Bengals related? I just think 146 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: you're hearing so. I mean there's a lot of talk 147 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: and Steve and I were talking about this a lot 148 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: today about you know, with free agency not being as 149 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: strong this year as in terms of a class, and 150 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 2: you have also a lot of the coaching changes can 151 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: influence this as well, where you will have a lot 152 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: of coaches are going to come in and say, what, 153 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: that's not my guy, that's not he may be good, 154 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: he's making a lot of money, that's not my guy, 155 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: or a lot of times he's coaches in a new 156 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: place want somebody from their old place, or who is 157 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: under a under contract, and these in there there's teams 158 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: get creative and feeling like what they need is not 159 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: out there in free agency are more willing to do deals. 160 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: It feels like this could be a year because of them, 161 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: the may Cup of free agency, that you could see 162 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: more teams going that route because that's the only way 163 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: they can get what they need at certain positions. We've 164 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: talked a lot about the scarcity a defensive tackle, and 165 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: I think when you start getting into how are you 166 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: going to do this when you know you're talking about 167 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: John Franklin Myers or who I don't know, like the 168 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: type of guy you want, how do you get that guy? 169 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: Where does he come from? And so do you have 170 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: to trade? Do you have to start looking into other 171 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: avenues or even any kind of a pass rusher on 172 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: the type of deal you want. I just think because 173 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: of a lot of this, the situation, the state of 174 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: the league right now, with coaching changes, with the low 175 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: impact top of the free agent market combined, I think 176 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: that you just could see that start to turn into 177 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: a little bit more active market than it traditionally is. 178 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: In your Trey Hendrickson eleven hundred word piece that was 179 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 3: a part of a three part set examining how the 180 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: Bengals improve their pass rush. You wrote this, the most 181 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: likely result is that Cincinnati follows the Jesse Bates template 182 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: and Hendrickson moves to another team. 183 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: They still feel that way, I do, because I still 184 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: think that there is they need to and maybe they do. 185 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: They need to get compensation that they feel like they 186 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: deserve and can make that deal happen, and they haven't 187 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: in multiple opportunities to try to trade Tray in the past, 188 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: or how far down are they willing to go? Are 189 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: they willing to just take anything? Is are they going 190 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: to be able to execute a deal with if there's 191 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: multiple teams bidding? Can they pull that off? Trey's agent, 192 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: how's that going to go? Because what's the best case 193 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: scenario for him in his camp to hit free agents? 194 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: Of course, and so the idea that they're just gonna 195 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 2: be like let's do a Kumbai, Yeah, holding hands and 196 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: skipping together into the trade market, I don't think is 197 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: totally the truth, right, and other other and other teams, 198 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: other teams are gonna know they don't want him on 199 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 2: the team anymore. He's gonna end up a free agent. 200 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to have to give up draft capital 201 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: to do this. It's just there's resistance at all these points. 202 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: And it's not that it can't be done, it's just 203 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: all those factors and the resistance there. I I don't 204 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: know that. It's not like it's some slam dunk because 205 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: of those resistance points. It's certainly possible, but you know, 206 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: it does not happen all the time. 207 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: The chances are zero that if he was tagged he 208 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 3: would go ahead and sign it, that he would sign it, 209 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: that he would say, cool, you're stuck with me thirty 210 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 3: point two mil let's go. 211 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 2: I mean, if you won, heck of a bluff. I 212 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: don't think so. I think he just wants to get 213 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: his long term content somewhere. I don't think he would 214 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 2: take that route. But it's not like we've never seen it. 215 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: Feel like it has gotten low and out of control 216 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: between these two sides before, in terms of people trying 217 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: to make plays to get whatever they want. I wouldn't 218 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: rule anything out between these two when you can see 219 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: no possibility. Would I don't see it happen that. I'm 220 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: not going to rule it out. I'm not going to zero. 221 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 2: Anything can't zero me. 222 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: Multiple publications when they list this year's crop of free 223 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: agents from the very top to the very bottom, have 224 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson is his number one or number two? The 225 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: latest one that I read today was the Ringer dot Com. 226 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: There he is at number one. How much of that 227 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 3: is a reflection he is going to be thirty two 228 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: years old, He's coming off a season where he missed 229 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: more than half of it because of injury. How much 230 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: of that, how much of that where he is ranked 231 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: in relation to the rest of the class is an 232 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: indictment against this class a lot. 233 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 2: I mean some of it. I mean, it's pretty rare 234 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 2: to see somebody of that age. But it's also, I 235 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 2: mean an ode to what he was doing before he 236 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: got hurt lest year. I mean, and we have seen, 237 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: you know a few more players kind of defy the 238 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: tradition of age, sure by a year or two, you know, 239 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: where last year there were a few players too, and 240 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: there maybe thirty one, thirty two, thirty three season. We're 241 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: having productive years more so that certainly more so than 242 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: we have in the past. 243 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: Once upon a time there was this Andrew Whitworth guy. Yeah, 244 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: but the Bengals were like peace out, brother, yes, and 245 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 3: do you remember that I do. Yeah, it can happen. 246 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: It can happen, So I yeah, I mean I think 247 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: that it is. It is partial, it's it's a little 248 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: bit of both. I mean, there's not a lot of 249 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: overwhelming talent, young talent that's just sitting out there. Teams 250 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 3: are largely resigning their own guys, and that's a part 251 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: of this too. But I think it's also you know, 252 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: teams need pass rush man, they're always going to pay 253 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: for it. When you look at him, what he he's done, 254 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: when he's been healthy before last year, and you feel 255 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 3: like you're getting an inspired change of scenery. 256 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: Guy who's just been begging to go let lose somewhere. 257 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 2: He's worth it, certainly. 258 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 3: So I promise we're going to talk about things that 259 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 3: don't have either much to do with Trey or nothing 260 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 3: to do with Tray. 261 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: I promise. Okay, I have a whole page of stuff here. Good. 262 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 3: But so I read these lists where he's the best 263 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: free agent and right now the Bengals have some control 264 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: over him. If Trey Hendrickson was a free agent and 265 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: the Bengals needed a pass rusher and he was the 266 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: best guy available, I would say they should go after 267 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson, right they pass rush is King need a 268 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: pass rusher. He's the number one free agent available. Why 269 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: shouldn't they be interested right now? I get it, they 270 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: have a lot of other positions to fix. They have 271 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 3: to spread the money across the defense because of the 272 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: pseudo overhaul that's needed. But is that a ridiculous way 273 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 3: of looking at things? Wait a minute, if the Bengals 274 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: were another If this was Trey Hendrickson who played the 275 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: last five years for the Arizona Cardinals, and he was 276 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: the best free agent available, we would want the Bengals 277 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: to sign him. 278 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: So why shouldn't I want them to keep them? Because 279 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: it's time to move on, because there's other options, and 280 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: because they're already top heavy. I mean, I think there's 281 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: an interesting analysis. Like we've talked about them being bold 282 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: and the idea of Max Crosby and anybody that's come available. 283 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: Jeffersonmons name was thrown around by t and Jamar and 284 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: gain guys like that, and that's fine, that's cool, that's 285 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: the exciting thing, right, Yes, And the idea of signing 286 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson is the same way. But I think they 287 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: ran into problems last year because they were top heavy, 288 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: because they were paying a lot of money to four 289 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: people and half of those people got hurt. Okay, And 290 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: when you do that, now you have given all of 291 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: so much of that money to one person or to 292 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: four people. When injuries happen, you're just sitting there and 293 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: you are six and eleven, right, and you can't close 294 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: a game, and you can't right now what they they 295 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: are top heavy already before they even sign anybody else. 296 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: So the idea of taking that and using it across 297 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: multiple starting level and bringing up the floor rather than 298 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: adding another ceiling person is a bigger part of where 299 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: they need to be now. I that doesn't mean you 300 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: close the door to being bold and a splash at all. 301 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: I think there's value to that in the right place. 302 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: The energy it can bring, the excitement we've talked about this, right, 303 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: I think that's all valuable. But I think in terms 304 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: of it has to be feel like a really exciting fit. Yeah, 305 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: it does not feel exciting. The first Trey Hendrickson to 306 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: come back here and play anymore like that does not 307 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: feel That feels speak for yourself, that's sick. I'm just 308 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: saying it feels like maybe that ship has sailed on 309 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: the excitement. Can I, okay, this is the last one 310 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: on this. Can I outline for you my dream scenario 311 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals agree to terms on a 312 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: long term deal and then after about four months, Trey 313 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: is unhappy with said deal and mad that he signed it, 314 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: and we start this all over again. Yeah, that'd be great. 315 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: Would you rule out that possibility based on how this 316 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: is unfolded for the last two years. 317 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: You've forgot the last fact on that story there, Bengals 318 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: Athletic beat writer quits comes next. That's at the end 319 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: of that. Now hiring. I don't know, man, post my 320 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: job on LinkedIn. You're big on there. Left it there 321 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: be almost worth it, man, almost almost. It's fine. It's fine. 322 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 2: Maybe he can he could take my spot every Tuesday 323 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: from three to four. You guys can talk about it 324 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: every week. And actually I listen to that three o'clock. 325 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior of Theathletic dot Com and The Growler podcast, 326 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 3: which the latest episode dropped earlier today. 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So 342 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: I went along that segment, which means this segment is short. 343 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: So I have a lot of these little smaller things 344 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 3: I like to throw at you. 345 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do them here. Okay, you want me to 346 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: be quick? Oh no, no, I want you to talk 347 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: to the extent you feel like you need to be 348 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: round or something. We're wanna call it something lightning round. 349 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: How about that. That's original. 350 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: I like that. Yeah, the NFLPA report cards being made public, 351 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: that's done. 352 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: What should we make of that? There, We're still going 353 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: to probably see them, Okay, and that's good. That part 354 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: is good. But I yeah, it's the owner's man. They 355 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: got some thin skin big time. I mean yeah, just 356 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: any little thing that makes them look bad for a 357 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: second or holds them a little truth to them. Yeah, 358 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: they just can't. They just can't take it. I mean, like, 359 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: I just it's it's it's petty. I'm not the only 360 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: person to have this take. But like I think of 361 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: the life of an NFL head coach well compensated, but 362 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: still like every little thing you do, not only is 363 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: in public view, you have to answer questions. For an 364 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: NFL head coach has to do what like three press 365 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: conferences a week during the season and answer to everything. 366 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 2: An NFL player's performance has never been more picked apart, graded, debated, discussed, dissected, 367 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 2: and that's part of the gig for both. We can't 368 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: do a little of that with owners. No, they any 369 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: little bit of leverage the players ever have, they make 370 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: a case to squash it out in any capacity. And 371 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: this is just the latest example. 372 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: Joey Porter says, Ben Roethlisberger's like the worst human being ever? 373 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: Is this the least surprising development in your years covering 374 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: the NFL. 375 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: Look, there's a long line of history and stories you 376 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: can google about that, and non, no, I don't need 377 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 2: to go into that outfit. 378 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 3: He didn't have one of his teammates come to his defense, 379 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: which I thought was yes, yeah, if. 380 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: We were doing like one. Yeah, I was gonna say 381 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: if we did like a if you put at a 382 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: giant football field of his former teammates, how many would 383 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 2: go to the Ben Roethlisberger defense side and how many 384 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: would go to the other side is what I want 385 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: to know. I think I already know. 386 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: I have not listened to the latest episode of the 387 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 3: Fits and Wit podcast, but they did have on Nick 388 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: lache I saw that when does he make an appearance 389 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: on The Growler? 390 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: I told Steve Palzolo today that I was happy to 391 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: have somebody that had a much better chance of delivering 392 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: real news about the Bengals on my podcast as compared 393 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: to Fits All. Due respect to Fits in Wit, which 394 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: is a great podcast, very good podcast, I skipped that episode. 395 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie it's it's a fair decision. I 396 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 2: would say that that was probably the right call. 397 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 3: I didn't know if Nick Lache was conducting a media tour. 398 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: You know, he already appeared on our show. 399 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 2: I did. I Yeah, I mean, I assume no one's 400 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: offered me the request. No, uh no, And I'm happy 401 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: to if he really wants to, happy to have him on. 402 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: I mean at this point, at this point, I feel 403 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: like it would be actually worth listening to. Okay, I 404 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: just want to know. My question would just be, do 405 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: you do you think that what you say about the 406 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: Bengals is news? That's all. That's all. 407 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess he thinks it's news. Sure, he's making 408 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: the rounds. He has a song that's out there, Yeah, sure, Yeah, 409 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: that's all right. I did like the fact that our 410 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: friend James or Peane's website referred to him as a 411 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: former pop star in the headline. 412 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: Say what is he then currently actively has a song 413 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: out right? He actively has a piece of music? Well, 414 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: I don't know, he's that's why anybody's talking about him. 415 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: Can you be a former pop star if there's a 416 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: piece of music that is quote new, that's out there 417 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: now that's a new release pop sugget. But that's just it. 418 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: He's not currently a star. Okay, artist, he could be 419 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: just an artist. Okay. Hey, I can put a song out, 420 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: does it make me a pop star? Okay, I'm not 421 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: putting a song out. I would like to hear that. 422 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: I know people have asked for the dis Track's not happening. Okay. 423 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: We have the first mock draft to discuss, and also 424 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: the the Athletics run down of all the players who 425 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: may be cap casualty, because that's an interesting list. Is 426 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 3: interesting list, and then we'll go through it when we 427 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: come back. Sports headlines as well. Paul Danner Junior from 428 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 3: the Athletic and The Growler podcast on ESPN fifteen thirty, 429 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 3: Cincinnati Sports. 430 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: Nation, not just talk. 431 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: This is sports with Soul, sweat and swagger. 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Tony Clark 449 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: has stepped down as the head of the Major League 450 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: Baseball Players Association. 451 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 2: A significant development. 452 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: If you understand that we're probably gonna have a lockout 453 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: at the end of this baseball season, we have twenty 454 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: four minutes for the window to open, and then Trey 455 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: Hendrickson could theoretically be franchise tagged by the Bengals. I 456 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: have an obligation to mention that in sports say we're 457 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: not going to pivot to another topic college basketball Tonight, 458 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: Xavier host Villanova at six point thirty on seven hundred WLW. 459 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 3: Miami looks for a twenty sixth consecutive victory on the 460 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 3: road tonight against UMass at seven o'clock. Kentucky battles Georgia 461 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty, tip off at nine pm, and 462 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: Ohio State takes on Wisconsin. Tonight we'll chat with Derek Carty, 463 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: who's the guy who the Internet just destroyed over the 464 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: weekend ESPN betting writer who said the Reds are not 465 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: going to win a lot of games and they're going 466 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: to have a bad pitching rotation, and then he was 467 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: bullied into changing his mind. 468 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: That is coming up at four oh five. Have you 469 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: ever been an Internet villain? Yeah, just recently. I was 470 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: not bullied into changing my mind though, so my stand 471 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: still still is in place. Do you want to elaborate 472 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: on that? No, or pivot to what's next? I want 473 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: to it's your show. You drive him, right, I'm just 474 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: in the passenger seat. Take me where you want to go. 475 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's talk about your mock draft. Okay, first 476 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: of how many? How many were we gonna have? Well? 477 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: This so this is zero point five, zero point five, 478 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: there will probably be I did. We had a beat 479 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: writer one today just with the first round. So it's 480 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: just the first round pick, which I had to do, 481 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: which is an interesting decision. And then I'll have another 482 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: one before free agency zero point seventy five. Okay, one 483 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: another one before free agency, so I keep. And then 484 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: the post free agency mock draft is the first real 485 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: big one. And after that and then there's usually we 486 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: usually get into the three or four range. Okay, So 487 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: but that's like the first where you can make the 488 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: accurate seven round deal because we know the path that 489 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: they need to go to get to you know, the 490 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: starting roster. 491 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: All right, this will not make you an Internet villain 492 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: because you have them in the first round taking rubin Dan. 493 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't that be nice? That'd be awesome. I went 494 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: off of Dane's top one hundred just to give some parameters, 495 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: because you can say whatever, but I used as an 496 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: eighty percent rule. Anything as eighty percent to where their 497 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 2: actual pick is. Put the universe of players out there, 498 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: and Bain was he has not hit him nine. Talk 499 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: about a storyline of the combine next week is how 500 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: long is arms? How freak right, and it's like you 501 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: feel like the Bengals are gonna be like trying to 502 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: push the tape measure in a little bit to try 503 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: to I don't know. I heard it was like twenty 504 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: seven inches. We've never seen that. It's not even human. Uh, 505 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: they would love it because though they would love to 506 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: see that be the reason he falls out. I don't 507 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: know that that's gonna happen, but it's gonna be a 508 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 2: really interesting topic to hear how it lands in Indie 509 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 2: with coaches and evaluators because his production is certainly speaks 510 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: for itself and they would love to be able to 511 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: see him be the guy. We did our mock draft 512 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: today and most of the names that people really like 513 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 2: to see, Caleb Downs, Rubin Bain, Bailey, all these kind 514 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: of are all gone. And I kind of came down 515 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: to a decision between Sunny Styles at linebacker from Ohio 516 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: State and man Sword Delaye. I'm not great. I haven't 517 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: done the pronunciation key on him yet. The cornerback smells 518 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 2: you who's the number one cornerback in the league. It's 519 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: an interesting topic because if you come down to that, 520 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: what do you do right premium number one player at 521 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: a premium position or playmaker at a non premium position, 522 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: but maybe the better overall player but less valuable and 523 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: what is more important to you and to me, like 524 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: we're also fresh off the rookie linebacker experience and so 525 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: no one wants to have to start doing that again. 526 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: But it's different when you're talking about a guy who 527 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: you would take ten overall. But to me it is 528 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 2: the tiebreaker is what happens in free agency because if 529 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: you are able to take care of that position and 530 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: feel like you don't need starters in what we talk about, 531 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: actually check your boxes off in free agency so you 532 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: can be best player available. You have the luxury of 533 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: taking the number one corner who gives you depth at 534 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: that a premium position, who gives you certainly that's type 535 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: of player you take to go win in January, right 536 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: because not everyone's going to make a Dax Hill and 537 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: DJ and two guys in the last year. There are 538 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: contracts you're in negotiations with. Doesn't force your hand on 539 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 2: those in case you're like thinking down the line, but 540 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 2: you build out a deep team and a deep roster 541 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: capable of playing and winning in December and January by 542 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: doing things like that, and it's a move the Bengals 543 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: have made a lot, and so it's intriguing. But if 544 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: you're like, are we really running to Metrius Knight and 545 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: Barrett carterback out there again? Yeah, you're like throw sunny 546 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: styles into the mix. So I think it's a really 547 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: interesting situation where if you are in that grouping, that 548 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: next grouping where you would want to go, and I 549 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: you know, it'll be interesting to you know, tap into 550 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 2: what Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor have to say in 551 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 2: terms of non premium positions and some of their feelings 552 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: on that. If maybe that's changed after last year. 553 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: When I watch smart people break down Caleb Down's tape, 554 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 3: I almost get aroused easy. I mean, I'm you know, 555 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: I didn't, I wasn't graphic, but it becomes impossible for 556 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: me to stop thinking about what he would do for 557 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Bengals. 558 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: He would obviously have to be there. 559 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: But when you watch and I'm sure you could do 560 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: this with all the other players you just mentioned, but 561 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: it kind of felt like there was a time last 562 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 3: week where a lot of the tape heads were focusing 563 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: in on Caleb Downs and watching some of that content. 564 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm spoiled after watching two years of Genostone. I 565 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 3: don't know, but like, how do you not get excited 566 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 3: about the possibility of what that could mean for the 567 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: Bengals if he was there at ten? 568 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: He's exactly the type of player they need. Yes he is. 569 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: He's a floor razer, he's a culture setter, He's a 570 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: super intelligent guy that's going to be a professional from 571 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: the moment he walks in. Yeah, he's the type of 572 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: guy that you can build your defense around in terms 573 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: of the instinctual way that he plays and the way 574 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: he carries himself. That's his from the day he walked 575 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: into the door at Ohio State. And when you throw 576 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: that just feels like stuff they need more of. And 577 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: I don't care what position he plays, especially when it's 578 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: a position that is becoming more premium by the year 579 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: in this league the way that we've seen the league trend, 580 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: so I he just seems like a no brainer if 581 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: he's there at ten. I just think it's a it's 582 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: a shame for the Bengals that this isn't a better 583 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: year in the top ten where he you could say, yeah, 584 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs should be there because he's in a quote 585 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: unquote non premium position. It's just it's a lot harder 586 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: to see that when you know, we were going through 587 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 2: this exercise with the Athletic writers and it was the 588 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: person with the six overall pick was like willing to 589 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: trade down. The person with fifth came in next, me too, 590 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: fourth was like, I'll get out everybody. You know what 591 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: he wants. So you're gonna end up being like, I 592 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: know it's a non premium position, but I'll take Caleb down. 593 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: That feels like how this goes with somebody in the 594 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: top ten, So we don't. I'm just I understand what 595 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: you're saying. 596 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 3: But oh, if the if your consolation prize is that, dude, 597 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: are you kidding me? 598 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, find me an NFL team he doesn't help immediately. Yeah, 599 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 2: there's there's no doubt. And I it's hard to envision 600 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: a better fit uh than here, because it's just he's 601 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: he's perfectly made for what they most need. 602 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 3: The Reuben Baine arm size discussion that will be had 603 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: next week. Right, So for the Bengals last year, it 604 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 3: was they couldn't get past Samar Stewart having all these 605 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: amazing physical traits, right, and then now it's you know, 606 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: maybe they should lean into the production on the field. 607 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 3: Does that Is that the same if now there's like 608 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 3: a genuine question about the physical trade, right, well, will 609 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 3: it be Will that be a disqualifier for them? Will 610 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: that be something that they just it's a tie breaker. Yes, 611 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 3: show me whatever tape you want, show me the the 612 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: level of disruption he provided playing college football. But sorry, 613 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: the arms are too small. That feels like something that 614 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: they would do if you buy that what they did 615 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 3: last year is going to be the template they use 616 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: moving forward. 617 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you know, they would look at 618 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: their own personal examples of guys like Trey Hendrickson and 619 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: on the interior Geno Atkins who have had short arms notably, 620 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 2: and it's been part of the reason why they slipped 621 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: down the draft. But I mean, if there was a 622 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: team that knows that it's not that big of a deal, 623 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 2: it would be the Bengals. Two of their top sack 624 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: artists of all time had this issue. But yeah, you're right, 625 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: I mean they would want bigger, faster, longer, stronger that 626 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: all that stuff. So it's a question if if your 627 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: team Shamar Stuart, how can you be team Rubin Baine necessarily. 628 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: I do think there's a middle ground there. But yeah, 629 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: I really am curious about what the Shamar Stuart impact 630 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: is a little bit, if there, if there is one, 631 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: because you know, not just that and obviously the amount 632 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: of time it took Miles uh to try to start 633 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: to come along, you know, if that is leaving more 634 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 2: of an impact than it had in the past, and 635 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: where Ruben Bain fits in that. I still think they 636 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: look at Bain and say that's enough. The production is 637 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: more than enough to overlook some of the other stuff. 638 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: Though at the end of the day, did you watch 639 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: him play football? 640 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 3: I mean that would be that would be like, all right, 641 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 3: bring out the tape measure, give me to the exact 642 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: centimeter how long his arms are? Cool, then let's let's 643 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 3: turn off. Let's put let's flip on this screen and 644 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 3: put the tape on of him at Miami, Like stop 645 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 3: telling me about the short arms? 646 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 2: Yes, Like sorry, well, and especially and like we just said, 647 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: especially when you're talking about a year where you're you're 648 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: at ten and you're willing to settle for deficiencies, when 649 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: you're talking about who's even gonna be if that was 650 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: a real thing you're like, whatever the production is enough, 651 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: especially when you're comparing it to what you're settling for 652 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: if you're going in another direction. 653 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: Your fellow Beat writers that the Athletic went through a 654 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: list of for every team potential cap casualties, and some 655 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 3: of those names seemed inevitable, some seemed like, you know, possibilities, 656 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: some intriguing, some maybe a little bit less so. But 657 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 3: you've pointed out like, if you look at that list 658 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: of players who could be cut by other teams, there's 659 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 3: a lot of guys that would make sense to wonder 660 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 3: should the Bengals be interested and would they be a 661 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 3: good fit. Here, Give me one or two of those 662 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: names that jumped to the top of the list for years. 663 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 3: It relates to this team. Rashawan Gary from Green Bay, 664 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: who Matt Schneidman our Green Bay Riders said, I don't 665 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 3: see him on the team this next year. Now, Rashwan 666 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 3: has one hundred and seventy five pressures and twenty six 667 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 3: acts the last three years. 668 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 2: He fell off a little bit at the tail end 669 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 2: of last season. But you know, they're paying Michael Parsons 670 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 2: a lot of money and they have other guys. I 671 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: think they're potentially looking to cut and can save a 672 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: lot of money by letting him go. Sean Gary Jerry 673 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 2: Montgomery was his coach when he had his kind of 674 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: coming out party in Green Bay, and the Bengals love 675 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: that stuff. They a feeling like they know the guy 676 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: and so that and the production that he's had he's 677 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: twenty eight years old, is certainly a name that if 678 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 2: he became available because they just let him go, or 679 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 2: because there was a possibility to pull some kind of 680 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 2: a trade for him and take on it, that would 681 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 2: be a name that would be certainly be pretty intriguing 682 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 2: and would be a fit for what you traditionally see 683 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 2: the Bengals. It kind of reminds me of like when 684 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: Orlando Brown fell into their lap a little bit, where 685 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: it's like he's a really good player. Now he might 686 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 2: not be at the top tip, but he's like more 687 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 2: than enough for what you're looking for. Yeah, and then 688 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: when you add in a guy that might have a 689 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 2: connection to your defensive line coach that you really like. 690 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: That was the most intriguing one that I was expecting 691 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 2: to see that stood out on the list, certainly, But 692 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 2: there there was, but that one that one stood out 693 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 2: to me, how long are his arms? I don't care. 694 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 2: So once they've gotten to the NFL, we no longer. 695 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: I don't care anymore. I don't care anymore. I saw, 696 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: I saw, you know, one hundred and seventy five pressures 697 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: and twenty six acts, I said their mother, I'm good. 698 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, perfect, don't don't need to worry about that. 699 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 3: You had them cutting BJ Hill. Now this is an 700 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 3: exercise where like you have to have somebody right. You 701 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 3: couldn't say, well, they're not going to cut anything. Yeah, 702 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: they asked most like essentially like most likely, so most 703 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 3: likely for that exercise. But is that a likely decision 704 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 3: they make? No, I don't think it's a likely decision. 705 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 3: I I think it's one that you could see them 706 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 3: making if they it's an is there an upgrade out there? 707 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 3: Because then Chris Jenkins could be your rotational backup guy 708 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 3: and you're using BJ Hill's money to get whatever the 709 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 3: other guy is. 710 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 2: Another like, Kenny Clark has been a name that's been 711 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: thrown around because in Dallas they've got a little bit 712 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 2: of a backlog with the defensive tackles they've gotten. If 713 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: you could acquire a Kenny Clark and maybe you're mixing 714 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 2: and you need money and you're figuring out what the 715 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: new rotation looks like. He could fall. I just his 716 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 2: his money and production are the type that you have 717 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 2: to look at, and he has a roster bonus coming, 718 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 2: so those are That's why it stands out. I wouldn't 719 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 2: say likely yet, but it's certainly going to be analyzed. 720 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 2: You'll be at the Combine next week and so Tuesday 721 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 2: is the day that Zach and Duke are going to talk. Duke, 722 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll spend five minutes talking about Joe Flacco, 723 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 2: So I'm excited for that. Then later on in the week, coordinators, 724 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: from a Bengals perspective, when you go to Indy, what 725 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: is the thing you're most interested in learning? Finding out 726 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 2: that sort of thing, Well, you know, there's been a 727 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 2: lot more to find out in recent years, and it 728 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 2: is much like the last couple of months. It feels 729 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 2: like one of the more boring trips to the Combine 730 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 2: from a Bengals perspective, because a lot of things feel 731 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: like they're in order. But I think you want to 732 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: you want to get a good feel for their aggressiveness 733 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 2: level at free agency, their approach to what those positions 734 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 2: that they're attacking are going to be how they view 735 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: maybe a few of their other players guys. I mean, 736 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 2: like we just talked about the bj Hills of the world, 737 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 2: and some of the guys they have conversations that need 738 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 2: to be had about and some of the stuff we 739 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 2: were talking about non premium positions. Maybe we'll have a 740 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 2: question about arm length. Oh yeah, like all I think 741 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 2: there's they're in an interesting spot that way, But to me, 742 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 2: it will start with what their view of free agency 743 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: is right now, because if you're getting a sense of, well, 744 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 2: we don't feel like we like where Barrett and Demetrius 745 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 2: are at, or we. 746 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 3: Feel like if I hear that sentence and I'm driving 747 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 3: a car, lookout. 748 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, these are the type of sentences, yeah, 749 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 2: that you'll occasionally hear uttered like like the year that 750 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 2: they they said, look, I thought Bobby Hart played great, 751 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 2: Like I'll never forget it right. We were walking out 752 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: of there, like I think he just said he they 753 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: like Bobby Hart, and you just hear these sentences and 754 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, they have a little bit different view 755 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 2: than I was anticipating. So that's I think their view 756 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 2: of what this defense needs, who needs to be a 757 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 2: part of it, Who is capable of being the starter 758 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: on opening day? Is going to be interesting to see 759 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 2: where they've kind of landed after there, you know, a 760 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 2: couple months here of evaluation. 761 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: Next Tuesday, I will be in Lubbock, Texas and congratulations, thanks, 762 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 3: I'll be you see plays that night against Texas Tech, 763 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 3: right for their second consecutive upset against a national rank team. 764 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,120 Speaker 3: As I'm following everything happening in Indy on Tuesday, if 765 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 3: I read or hear the words we like where we 766 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 3: are with Barrett and Demetrius, I'm going to go to 767 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 3: a cattle ranch and I'm gonna instruct a cowboy to 768 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 3: take one of those branding irons. 769 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 2: And like, do it in my stomach or something. Suggest 770 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 2: so don't tweet it is what you're saying. Give me 771 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 2: a heads up, okay, all right, you know, just give 772 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,839 Speaker 2: me a text like, hey, why do you why don't 773 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,800 Speaker 2: you log off? Why don't you not go on the 774 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 2: interesting thing? 775 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, I will go to a ranch and say, cowboy, 776 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 3: heat it up. Paul Danner Jr. On Twitter at Paul 777 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 3: Danner Junior covering the Bengals forth the Athletic dot Com. 778 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 3: He'll have full coverage of the Bengals to the Combine 779 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 3: next week. And the latest episode of the Growlar podcast 780 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 3: features Steve Pelozzolo, who is awesome. So check that out, 781 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 3: which I will do on my ride home. It is 782 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: seven away from four o'clock. Derek Carty, who Reds fans 783 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 3: have shamed, is gonna join us in ten minutes on 784 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports. 785 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 786 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 4: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center. Around forty percent 787 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 4: of cancers are preventable. Lifestyle changes and screenings can make 788 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 4: a difference. Called five one three five eighty five UCCC. 789 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 4: A disabled vehicle has now been cleared out inbound on 790 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 4: Columbia Parkway that was approaching Kemper Lane northbound seventy five. 791 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 4: Accident on the off ramp to State Route one twenty 792 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 4: two in Middletown and also northbound seventy five. There's slow 793 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 4: traffic between Mitchell and Paddock ten minute delay on that 794 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 4: ezelic with traffic. 795 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by cap