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Speaker 3: returns tomorrow and in studio with me now is Pete

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Speaker 3: Nigerian at Pete Nagerian via X follow him as I do.

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Speaker 3: Outstanding Gophers linebacker in the eighties, spent time in the

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Speaker 3: NFL with both our beloved Purple the Vikings as well

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Speaker 3: as the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And this all came together,

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Speaker 3: by the way, with the most exclusive lunch invitation in

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Speaker 3: the Greater Twin Cities area. That's cheers to Howard Bourne. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: who is most certainly listening. He'll call the He'll call

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Speaker 3: the eight hundred and three two zero five three two

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Speaker 3: six on end for all three hours. He'll send me

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Speaker 3: thirty text messages.

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Speaker 4: You too, huh, Yes, you will.

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Speaker 3: Opinions both solicited and unsolicited. And that's why he's uh,

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Speaker 3: he's one of the best but but Pete, I must

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Speaker 3: admit you know by by name equity, I'm aware of

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Speaker 3: your background and what you've given to sports here locally

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Speaker 3: and beyond.

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Speaker 1: But I kind of know.

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Speaker 3: You more at my age at forty as as the

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Speaker 3: options guru. It's market rebellion, it's you and your brother John.

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Speaker 1: It's the hair, it's the bitch, it's TV.

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Speaker 4: What little hair we both have. We got some on

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Speaker 4: the rock, I guess that's what we can.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely but thank you for hanging out. This is this

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Speaker 3: is absolutely awesome.

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Speaker 4: That's my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be with you. I listen to you

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Speaker 4: guys all the time, as you know, I mean, we

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Speaker 4: go back and forth once in a while. But you know,

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Speaker 4: I know a lot of the different hosts here and

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Speaker 4: they're great. And justin Gard of course in with the

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Speaker 4: Gophers all these years, and he and I've developed a

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Speaker 4: great friendship. And at the Cal Minnesota game this past

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Speaker 4: year at halftime, he had me out on the field

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Speaker 4: with him talking about what was going on and all

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Speaker 3: So really a lot of fun. I have a lot

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Speaker 3: of ties to k Fan. No, that's absolutely you do.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, before we get because the pathway

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Speaker 3: the time slot that is typically uber positive, right. I

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Speaker 3: The pathway forward is dire, But I do want to

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Speaker 3: start on the college side. You mentioned it your connection

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Speaker 3: and all that. That's tremendous, but just kind of at

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Speaker 3: We were joking about the combine during the break. The

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Speaker 3: evolution of the players themselves is one thing. The evolution

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Speaker 3: And trying to navigate and I'm just curing is as

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Speaker 1: Watching it on the sideline.

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Speaker 3: What hits you when you when you think about just

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Speaker 4: It's professional football. Really, It's an easy answer when you

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Speaker 4: And that's a problem.

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Speaker 4: I I spoke to the Giants a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 3: But well, sadly some of that has been publicized, right,

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Speaker 4: Right, but there's a lot of guys out there that,

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Speaker 3: And the next year is never promised, as we know

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Speaker 3: There's a reason why they will chase every school because

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Speaker 1: The argument for it.

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Speaker 3: So the ability for whatever it is as a nineteen

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Speaker 4: Oh, there's no doubt about that. And I'm I'm not

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Speaker 4: against it. Like I said, I just start off, I'm

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Speaker 3: a city, but you know, they get tested all the time.

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Speaker 4: That's one of those cities where they want to make

437
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Speaker 4: it work, you know. I mean, like right now, where

438
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Speaker 4: are the Oakland A's, Well, they're in Sacramento.

439
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Speaker 2: You know.

440
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Speaker 4: It's it's amazing how that city seems to be able

441
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Speaker 4: to attract and get that. By the way, we we

442
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Speaker 4: did sell out every game. Not huge stadiums, it was

443
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Speaker 4: it was like it was actually Hughes Stadium. I think

444
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Speaker 4: it was like twenty five thousand, thirty thousand, something like that.

445
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Speaker 4: But we'd sell them out.

446
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Speaker 1: That's super cool.

447
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Speaker 4: It was great and I'll give you this. After we

448
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Speaker 4: did win the World Bowl. By second year, I think

449
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,479
Speaker 4: we ended up with ten guys in the NFL, and

450
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Speaker 4: two of them were All Pro the first year they

451
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Speaker 4: got to the NFL for so As a matter of fact,

452
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Speaker 4: a kid that I helped out become a linebacker. He

453
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Speaker 4: was a running back from Missouri, and the Raiders picked

454
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Speaker 4: him up and then they gave him to us because

455
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Speaker 4: there was a thing there where you'd have an exchange

456
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Speaker 4: of certain players that you could have, and so the

457
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Speaker 4: Raiders gave us this guy, Mike Jones. Mike Jones is

458
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Speaker 4: the guy if you remember, going way back when he

459
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Speaker 4: for Saint Louis, he made the game changing tactical at

460
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Speaker 4: the one yard line to keep the guy from it.

461
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Speaker 4: That was Mike Jones, and I was his coach. The

462
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Speaker 4: coaches said, hey, Pee, you got to teach this guy

463
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Speaker 4: how to be a linebacker. And I'm like, great, so

464
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Speaker 4: I'm teaching another guy to take my spot. That's fantastic.

465
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Speaker 4: But I'm a team player, so I helped him out.

466
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Speaker 1: Well years later, did you get to at least see

467
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Speaker 1: the ring?

468
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Speaker 4: Well? I see it. Yes, he's the greatest guy. We're

469
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Speaker 4: friends to this day. We had a bunch of those guys.

470
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Speaker 4: We had another guy who was an All Pro defensive

471
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Speaker 4: end up at the Seattle Seahawks. I mean, we had

472
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Speaker 4: a quarterback who actually stepped right in at Atlanta and

473
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Speaker 4: was the starting quarterback after being our quarter back for

474
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Speaker 4: the year. So there was talented players in that league.

475
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Speaker 4: There really were. I mean that that World League was

476
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Speaker 4: it was, it was not. You know, it's only ten teams,

477
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Speaker 4: so you know, it was a great opportunity for a

478
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Speaker 4: lot of guys to get out. You know who my

479
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 4: noseguard was in that You might remember this name, Bill Goldberg,

480
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Speaker 4: remember the the pro wrestler.

481
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Speaker 1: Yes, I do.

482
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Speaker 4: As a matter of he was my nose guard.

483
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Speaker 3: Nice guy off the uh.

484
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he might have touched a chemical or two

485
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Speaker 4: in his lifetime, by.

486
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Speaker 1: The way, it's possible.

487
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Speaker 4: He got pretty thick and big man.

488
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Speaker 1: Just something change, don't know what it was.

489
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Speaker 3: Weird growth spurred at twenty six years old. Yes, that's

490
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Speaker 3: very od, but it happens. But it happens. What what

491
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Speaker 3: does intrigue you with the vikings in terms of this

492
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Speaker 3: quagmire therein and and this this progression forward now post

493
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Speaker 3: combine free agency in the.

494
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Speaker 4: Draft, sure, I think that they. If I were a

495
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Speaker 4: part of the Vikings, I would be very aggressively looking

496
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Speaker 4: at specific positions because I do think that there's weaknesses

497
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Speaker 4: in a lot of different pieces for the Vikings right now,

498
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Speaker 4: and they've got to figure that out from that standpoint,

499
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Speaker 4: and you know, it's difficult to draft certain positions in

500
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Speaker 4: my opinion. How many years have we heard about the

501
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Speaker 4: Vikings going after a cornerback in the draft who bust

502
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Speaker 4: is a bust? I would go for the For the

503
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Speaker 4: free agent side, I'm going to go for a guy

504
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Speaker 4: who actually can play. We've already seen him play in

505
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Speaker 4: the NFL and we already understand, yeah, this is the

506
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Speaker 4: kind of player he is. So from that perspective, I

507
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Speaker 4: like that. But I'll tell you what. I was watching

508
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Speaker 4: the Combine like I do every year, and and you

509
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Speaker 4: know I still have I must have forty books from

510
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 4: mel Kiper for God's sakes, that you know, over the

511
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: years until it became as big as it is. But

512
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, this Caleb Banks is the guy

513
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Speaker 4: if I was the Vikings. I know it's not a sexy,

514
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Speaker 4: sexy first round pick eight number eighteen, but there's a

515
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Speaker 4: this kid Caleb Banks at Florida. Florida is exactly what

516
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Speaker 4: the Vikings need, because the problem with the Vikings, in

517
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Speaker 4: my opinion from a defensive standpoint, is they're too small

518
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Speaker 4: on the inside. The two linebackers are very small relatively speaking.

519
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 4: You know, two hundred and twenty five pounds is pretty

520
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 4: small these days, you know, as a linebacker. But they

521
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Speaker 4: do it because they're faster, right, I mean, so that's

522
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Speaker 4: part of the rationale behind it. But it just doesn't

523
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Speaker 4: work because if you can't stop the run, you've got

524
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Speaker 4: a real problem on defense. And I think when you've

525
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Speaker 4: got a guy who's six foot seven and three hundred

526
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Speaker 4: and thirty five pounds that can move the way this

527
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Speaker 4: kid can move, I would look at the defensive lineman

528
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Speaker 4: or offensive lineman because we need both. But I think

529
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Speaker 4: defensive lineman can step in and play. Usually offensive linemen

530
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Speaker 4: take a little while to get into things. I mean,

531
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Speaker 4: think about the left tackle for the New England Patriots,

532
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Speaker 4: who was getting Will Caley. Yeah, and I love the kid,

533
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Speaker 4: And tell me this one, Nordo. Why didn't somebody, either

534
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Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator or Vraabel at some point say hey, look,

535
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Speaker 4: let's help the kid out. Why not chip that defensive

536
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Speaker 4: end just a little bit so that, you know, get

537
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Speaker 4: a fullback over there, maybe put another lineman or a

538
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Speaker 4: tight end over there, but help the kid out. They

539
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Speaker 4: never did it. They just let them get beat for

540
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Speaker 4: the entire game. And I just sat there watching going,

541
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Speaker 4: you know, I like you rapes, but you are not.

542
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Speaker 4: You're not watching the same game. Man.

543
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I would assume in Brabel's case, you

544
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Speaker 3: know the same way that that Kevin O'Connell. He's gonna

545
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Speaker 3: put a ton of faith in Brian Flores. And so

546
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Speaker 3: whether it's Caleb Banks, and you know, I've looked at

547
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 3: de tackle and safety, those are two things that I

548
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Speaker 3: think about right out of the gate step defensively, But

549
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Speaker 3: the faith that Vrabel would have in a Josh McDaniels,

550
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Speaker 3: who's been there, who's been there, he's he's done that.

551
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Speaker 3: And they just had no answer there, right and they

552
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Speaker 3: and they didn't by all accounts, did not appear to

553
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Speaker 3: make an adjustment.

554
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Speaker 4: So never did.

555
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Speaker 3: You can't have Treveon Henderson on the field because he's

556
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Speaker 3: awful in pass protection. You mentioned Will Campbell. Oh wait,

557
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Speaker 3: I think it's Jared Wilson. He's a rookie right next

558
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Speaker 3: at left guard. Then they got Garrett Bradberry, who's undersized

559
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Speaker 3: and had his own physical struggles. Right, you know, they

560
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Speaker 3: could have put three tight ends on Will Campbell's side,

561
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Speaker 3: and I don't.

562
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Speaker 4: Know, I don't know if just give them one.

563
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Speaker 3: Total, I'm totally with you on that. So and Caleb Banks,

564
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Speaker 3: what a name, by the way, He's a terrific player.

565
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Speaker 1: And get a.

566
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Speaker 4: Mountain like that, right, I mean, I think, who cares?

567
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Speaker 4: You don't how many times do you need your guy

568
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: who's the inside guy on top of the center, in

569
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Speaker 4: the guards and all the rest of that.

570
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Speaker 3: How often do you really care? If they get towards

571
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Speaker 3: the quarterback? It really isn't that big of.

572
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Speaker 4: A deal stop they take up two or three guys alone.

573
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Speaker 4: So if we get him and we get somebody else

574
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Speaker 4: with a little bit more size, I think we would

575
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: have a much better defense than we were. And you know,

576
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Speaker 4: and I'm not overly critical about the defensive coordinator you

577
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 4: just mentioned his name, But the one issue I had

578
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 4: was when we went through that streak where we went

579
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 4: one and six in the middle of the year or whatever,

580
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 4: we couldn't stop anybody, and nobody seemed to want to

581
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Speaker 4: talk about the fact that we're giving up yards on

582
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Speaker 4: the run that were just absolutely ridiculous. And I think

583
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Speaker 4: part of it is we're pretty small at linebacker, we're

584
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: pretty small defensive line, so why didn't we adjust in

585
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: some way? And I think that was part of the problem,

586
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 4: is we weren't big enough there and strong enough to

587
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: be able to slow down somebody who And by the way,

588
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 4: once you finally do cheat up a safety, then they

589
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: just throw the ball on you. So that's a problem.

590
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Speaker 4: That's the problem with not being able to stop the run. Well,

591
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 4: that's what we struggled with.

592
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Speaker 3: It's kind of an interesting thing. So the last two years,

593
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: and I don't have this in front of me, but

594
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: you had the fifth best scoring defense in the NFL,

595
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Speaker 3: I think in twenty twenty four, and then it was

596
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: similar let's call it five, six or seven similar this

597
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: last season. But if you look at the two years,

598
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: you saw a significant commitment against the run. In twenty

599
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: twenty four, so that's Jonathan Bullard, that is Harrison Phillips

600
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: is still there. It was difficult to run on Florez's bunch,

601
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: but you could get around the gym through the air well.

602
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: Now fast forward a year later, you see these additions

603
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: of Hargrave and Jonathan Allen. In the end, just looking

604
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: at box score and stats, they're the second best pass

605
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: defense in the NFL. They are atrocious against. Can't freaking run.

606
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: They can't stop it.

607
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Speaker 4: You're the only other guys saying it. Man, I'm telling you,

608
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 4: I don't hear anybody talking about that. And I'll give

609
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Speaker 4: you a real quick Can I give you a real

610
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 4: quick numbers? Sure?

611
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: So let's see, we gave up two hundred and seven

612
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: yards rushing against the Chargers. We gave up another one

613
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty to Baltimore, one hundred and forty to Chicago,

614
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty six to the Packers, and one hundred.

615
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 4: And twenty five to Seattle. We couldn't stop anybody because

616
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: once you can run the ball, you can throw the ball,

617
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, it's just that's just part of it.

618
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 4: Because you finally start all right, enough of this, we're

619
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Speaker 4: going to try to stop it, and then they start

620
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: throwing the ball, and now what do you do?

621
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Speaker 3: Or once or you know I mean that that blood

622
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: bat that Thursday night game of the Chargers and Kamani

623
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: Vidal no one had even know that was like his

624
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: breakout games. He's got his whole fan, his Gramma's in

625
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: the stands, the whole thing. Everyone's excited. Carson Wentz's shoulder

626
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: looks like it's gonna fall off. I mean just but

627
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: but sometimes once you start throwing the ball or running

628
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: the ball like that, you don't have to throw the

629
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: ball and you find your way into the into victory lane. Now,

630
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: the biggest conundrum for this team moving forward, and you

631
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: followed it is post Quasia dolfa MENSAEP with the head

632
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: coach in the year five, been to the playoffs twice,

633
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: zero to two in the playoffs. Sadly this quarterback situation

634
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: that has been kind of the a topic.

635
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: So guys like you and I.

636
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: Were sitting around, we're watching they were watching the combine

637
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: and then you'll catch these little ticker bits.

638
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh, Kyler Murray is probably going to be released if

639
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: they can't trade them. Ooh Gino.

640
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: Smith says he still has got it. Derek Carr might

641
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: come out of retirement if he climbs a team. He

642
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: thinks he can win a Super Bowl with you. So

643
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: you you've probably seen all of these bits. There's a

644
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: broad spectrum in terms of what they can do. But

645
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: but that is the conundrum and the a topic of

646
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: the team. So just kind of starting with JJ McCarthy,

647
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, level of level of interest in giving him

648
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: some grace and some leeway and the trust in the

649
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: coach to develop, And where where's your head at with

650
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: with JJ and this team?

651
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: You know, everybody has jumped all over JJ. Right, he's

652
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: not what we thought. We can't do this, we can't

653
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: do that. I would say a little bit differently. I

654
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 4: would say this, how about we get an offensive line,

655
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: and how about we don't go into free agency and

656
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: sign two offensive linemen that are on IR when we

657
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: signed him. I mean, honestly, how difficult does that to

658
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: figure out. It's one thing to be a college kid

659
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: who gets an injury, right, and you know what, Caleb

660
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 4: Banks is one of those guys. He had an injury

661
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 4: to his foot. Well foot don't look too bad right now,

662
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: because that big guy was running around and doing everything.

663
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: So I'm not worried about him. But the offensive line's

664
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: got to be able to stop somebody. We gave up

665
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: sixty sacks. Now, some people will say to me, well, Pete,

666
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: but the quarterbacks are holding the ball too long, and

667
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, they weren't. By the time JJ

668
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: would get back on his fifth step, you know, dropping

669
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 4: five steps back, he's getting hit. He's getting hit by

670
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: the time he's planting his back foot, you know. And

671
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 4: I'm not some guy who wants to be apologies. Oh yeah,

672
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 4: you know, he's not this great, He's not whatever. I

673
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 4: just watched him get hit Tate day after day, you know,

674
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: night after night, all these things. And he's a winner. Yeah,

675
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: I know. I hear everybody say, well, but he throws

676
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: to the tight end. So what whoever he was thrown to,

677
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: he did pretty good when he was at Michigan. He

678
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: did the same thing in high school. I grew up.

679
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: He grew up right by me when he was still

680
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: in Chicago before he went down for Yeah, the kid is.

681
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: The kid's a winner. He's got a really nice arm.

682
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: But give him a little bit of time. I mean,

683
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: and if you think I'm wrong, well, why is it

684
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: that Carson Wentz, like you just said, was walking around

685
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: without a right arm. I mean, he was getting hit.

686
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: So we basically put him out there to just get

687
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: as slammed as much as he could. Possibly take until

688
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: he couldn't take it anymore, and then we finally put

689
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 4: JJ in. Well, then JJ starting to get hurt. Right,

690
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 4: So I tell you what, if we decide to get

691
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: a guy and we better have somebody like Kyler Murray

692
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 4: who can run, because he's going to be on the

693
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: run unless they do some improving of that offensive line

694
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: and they it's not the biggest fix in the world,

695
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: but it's something where you could do it through the draft,

696
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 4: I think, because there's a lot of really good offensive

697
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: linemen this year, and from a free agency standpoint, if

698
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: you're afraid of the young guys, Okay, let's go into

699
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 4: free agency. We did it last year, but we didn't

700
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: really do it the right way.

701
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

702
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: I mean in the end, for me, I think it's

703
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: going to be Ryan Kelly's not the answer and terrific

704
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: career that he's had, the head injury, specifically the concussions,

705
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: this is just on it's unsustainable. This is a thing,

706
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: by the way, that they knew when they signed that

707
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: there was an injury history associated with him as good

708
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: as Ryan Kelly's been, so they knew it.

709
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the spot.

710
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: It feels like you want the evolution to Donovan Jackson,

711
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 3: this is a fresh year for Christian dearisab you know

712
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: you think we used to have a tally. It was

713
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: almost up here on this beautiful natural brick surround that

714
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: we have people.

715
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: It does look good. We did have.

716
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: We at one point had to add a whiteboard up

717
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: there to note how many O line combinations that the

718
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 3: Vikings were using throughout the season.

719
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: Was nutty.

720
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: But to that end, what I'm curious about put your

721
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: you know, maybe coach your own GM had on is

722
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: the reason I talked about Ko fifth year is do

723
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: you believe that there is pressure that is added to

724
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: this conversation where I want JJ McCarthy to get a

725
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: fair shake and a fair run. And I'm talking for

726
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: myself too personally, that's what I want. That's best case

727
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: scenario is that this spring, this summer that there is

728
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: a jump in an evolution. And if KO rolls in

729
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: at twenty twenty six and he says I've seen what

730
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: I need to see, he won whatever competition he creates

731
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 3: via free agency, et cetera. And JJ is a guy

732
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to trust in the coach that he's making

733
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: the right decision. Sure, but is there pressure associated with

734
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: the idea? I'm into year five and there is so

735
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 3: much unknown about JJ, so therefore I can't roll in

736
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: just assuming that he has grown, which could then potentially

737
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: say I'm bringing in a guy that's going to start

738
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 3: right and JJ's going to ride the pine. And then

739
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: I got this weird fifth year option thing to think

740
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: about a year from now with very very little equity

741
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: to work off of, Like, how much do you think

742
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: that any potential pressure to win now plays into this

743
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: quarterback conversation?

744
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 4: Well, there's got to be some pressure. And I say

745
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 4: there's got to be some because how about the fact

746
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 4: that we got rid of for the guy who's the

747
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 4: quarterback whisperer, which I hear all the time, Right, Yeah,

748
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones sure looked good down in Indy, Right, and

749
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: then the little fellow who had decided to go out

750
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 4: to Seattle looked like he was pretty dag on good

751
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: quarterback as well. Right, So if you're the whisperer, how

752
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 4: do we miss that? How do we not say, Wow,

753
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: this guy has made another step higher and another step higher,

754
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 4: and he's doing the right thing and it you know,

755
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: but he has a different offensive line than what we

756
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 4: were putting out there as well. And that's another reason

757
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 4: why I say, you know, it was probably tough for

758
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: the whisperer. I give him a hard time a little bit, but.

759
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: Well, well, by the way, even Darnold was sacked fifty

760
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: some times right in twenty twenty four. Yeah, so he

761
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there's a veteran element to it.

762
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I just want to note that the offensive.

763
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: Line, if we really dig into it, has been a

764
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: talker for longer a couple of years.

765
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 4: Last year, Yeah, they're getting beat left and right.

766
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I was six with my dad watching you in

767
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: the World Football League the last time they had it.

768
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: Hasn't been that long. Hasn't been that long.

769
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 4: But it's been a while Sacramento. Gosh, it was fun,

770
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: football man. But I'll tell you what, No, you're right,

771
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of different elements that come into

772
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: this whole thing rather whether it's the offensive line or

773
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: is it sometimes the quarterback. And sure, i'll tell you

774
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: what I've seen enough. I went to some practices this

775
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: past year and watched him throw the ball around a

776
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: little bit, and JJ threw the ball around, looked pretty

777
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: dagone good to me. So I don't think that there

778
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: was anything wrong with him. I do think that offensive line, unfortunately,

779
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: is where you got to point the finger and what

780
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 4: are we going to do to fix it? Because it

781
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: doesn't matter who the quarterback is if you're getting hit

782
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: day after day after day, and whether you know and

783
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: and and Sam Darnald's a tough kit. I mean, he

784
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: really is a tough kid. I was always harsh about,

785
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 4: you know, USC quarterbacks, but he actually has turned into

786
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 4: a pretty damn good quarterback, right, So, yes, yes, And

787
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 4: there aren't very many of them that are very good,

788
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: so I give him a lot of credit for what

789
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: he's done.

790
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think now, USC qbs that have really

791
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: turned out very few.

792
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: There's only really one that everybody hangs their head on,

793
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 4: and it's the guy who went to Cincinnati and they

794
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: went to the super Bowl and all that kind of stuff.

795
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I'm dropping it in my head.

796
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: But but but if you look around for now it's

797
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: Donald though.

798
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, now it's Donald absolutely, and.

799
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 4: He's doing well. I mean, what a year he had.

800
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 4: It was unbelievable.

801
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: Let me let me ask you this a couple more

802
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: for you and I just can't thank you enough for

803
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: your time this morning. The idea of molding the scheme

804
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: to the player, or molding the player to the scheme,

805
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: just in terms of what we see out of this offense.

806
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: And I'll give you an example. So large part of

807
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 3: the conversation last spring a year ago wasn't just man

808
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: if Javon Hargrave State stays healthy, man if Ryan Kelly

809
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: stays healthy, et cetera. It wasn't just that, it was ooh,

810
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: this Jordan Mason cat I kind of like what I saw. Yeah,

811
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: he had one hundred and a touchdown against US. I

812
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: think it was week two, twenty twenty four, and he's

813
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: kind of that cool yang to the yen of an

814
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: Aaron Jones yep. And so is this in the four

815
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: into the fourth year?

816
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: Is this the.

817
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 3: Year that Ko absolutely commits to running the ball and

818
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: this is a team of course when with with Justin

819
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 3: Jefferson on it, I want to get that guy in space, right,

820
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: and that's that's one hundred and eighty targets if I

821
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: can get it to him in a season. And then

822
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: we just didn't see that, right, We didn't see that

823
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: and haven't seen it consistently. Is part of that process

824
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: or that conversation related to the offensive line as well,

825
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: is that something legitimately on a to do list for

826
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: a coach where whether it's it's a Geno Smith, oh

827
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 3: my goodness, or a Derek Carr or oh my goodness,

828
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: or a Kirk Oh, oh my goodness, or it's JJ McCarthy,

829
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: regardless of who it is, is that kind of on

830
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: a to do list for a coach, like one way

831
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: or another, I do need to be able to make

832
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: this a thing that defenses respect on a weekly basis.

833
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: You have to be able to run the football. You

834
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 4: just do. And I think that's something that is he

835
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: willing to go that far to actually put it more

836
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: into a running game. I'll tell you what it would

837
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: open up for JJ.

838
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: I not to clomp on it.

839
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: Carson Palmer, how do we yeah, Carson Palmer, Well, hey,

840
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: don't apologize. You were looking for a lifeline and I

841
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: got nothing. I was trying to put my mute on,

842
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: trying to sip some water.

843
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you, actually, yes, I think that JJ

844
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: would do great in that kind of an offense. And

845
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: I'm talking about JJ the receiver. I think that that

846
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 4: he he needs us to be able to run the football,

847
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 4: to open it up for him and get those guys

848
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 4: off of him, because they are going to start peeking in,

849
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: whether it's a cornerback or a safety or whoever it is,

850
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: and they see this guy is starting to run downfield.

851
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 3: They already cover him more differently than probably any other

852
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 3: receivers Sava Jamar Chase in the NFL.

853
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, for all the right reasons. He's as good as advertised,

854
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: and he does a fantastic job, but it sure makes

855
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: it tougher on him if the quarterback doesn't have any

856
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: time back there to throw the ball, because all we

857
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 4: do is try to throw the ball, and we don't

858
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 4: commit anything to a running game. So if we can

859
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: commit to that running game. But it also comes right

860
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: back to the offensive line again, right, did our offensive

861
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 4: line blow up and holes really very often? Really not

862
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 4: all that often. I mean, Aaron Jones does a great job,

863
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: and I know that now we're going to have to

864
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: get rid of him. And see, you know, obviously we

865
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: got to clean it up when we got That's the

866
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: other amazing thing. How are we forty million or forty

867
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: five million over the cap? That's what we've got. That

868
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: just doesn't make any sense at all. So they're going

869
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 4: to have to clear it out and give us an

870
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 4: opportunity now, But that does hurt on who were we

871
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: going to be able to sign, right I mean, because

872
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 4: those numbers are going to be big. Offensive linemen get

873
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 4: paid pretty damn good right now.

874
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: They do.

875
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: And I there was a kid that who plays for

876
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 4: the Denver Broncos right now, who I helped coach him

877
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: in high school when I was in New Canaan, Connecticut,

878
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: and I watched this kid and I'm like, Wow, this

879
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: guy's going to be in the NFL and lo and behold,

880
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: he just signed a contract last year I think is

881
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: like four for one hundred and eighty million or something

882
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 4: like a defensive tackle Denver Broncos. Yeah. Wow, I mean

883
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: just special kid, really a really nice kid, went to

884
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: Boston College, did great, and you know, everybody else said,

885
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 4: I don't think this kid's going to make it in

886
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: the NFL, and I'm like, I don't know. This guy's

887
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 4: got something special going on here, and you know.

888
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: So you need to find some more of those.

889
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 4: But they get paid money, is my point. Whether it's

890
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: offensive line or defensive line, they're making the same kind

891
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 4: of money these days as some of the other positions

892
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: you know that are very meaningful. So it's amazing.

893
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: Last one for you here and Quis yudofa Mensa relieved

894
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: of his general managerial duties. Rob er Zinsky has been

895
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: with the team for a long time. And then just

896
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: you know, your opinion on the ideas. So some have

897
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: said kind of Wellquasy's out, But they did all this

898
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: time talking.

899
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: They spend all this time talking about collaboration.

900
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 3: And you just picture this room and everyone gets they

901
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: hold like an egg timer or something like that, and

902
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 3: everyone gets three minutes to talk. And and then and

903
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 3: then Quaysey holds the gavel. Everyone else is still there.

904
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: So all the scouts and mister Brazinski, assistant GM personnel guy,

905
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 3: everybody else is there.

906
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: That's static.

907
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: And then Quasy is really the only variable that has changed,

908
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: whether it's it's the analytics lean how you position a

909
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: draft board. I still feel like this is potentially a

910
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: significant change philosophically on how they can handle things. You

911
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: can speak about collaboration. I you know, my kids get

912
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 3: collaboration in the house. Guess what their opinions only matter

913
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: for so long. And then it's and I get the

914
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 3: final say, So this does feel regardless of scouting department

915
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: in personnel guys, it's simply maybe from a philosophical level

916
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: that this is a significant change that we could still

917
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 3: look forward to seeing something different from the draft board

918
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 3: and maybe what we see at the end of April.

919
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: How do you see it?

920
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that it's going to be interesting. You know,

921
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: Pratzinski's an amazing guy because he's been with the Vikings

922
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 4: for how many years? Right, and he at one point

923
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: in time was the GM, you know, he played that

924
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 4: role along with being the financial guy and all the

925
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: rest of it. Then we had Spielman and then we've

926
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: gone this other direction. But can he handle it? I

927
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: think he can. Does he want to?

928
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: He probably does, you know, whether people say he doesn't

929
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: or not, I don't necessarily agree. I think he kind

930
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: of likes the idea of it, and I have heard

931
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: other people try to convince me the other side. But

932
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 3: we'll find out in a few I don't know how

933
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: long it's going to take, but we'll find out.

934
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: But see, I just think he I mean, I can't

935
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: speak for him.

936
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 3: I think he likes chilling in the background, being the

937
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: cap guy that everyone's nothing wrong with.

938
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Speaker 4: That, right, I mean, that's a that's a great spot

939
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 4: to have, and as long as he's executing on that,

940
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 4: it's great.

941
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: But now he's getting a high end taste of what

942
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: the path forward could be and what the future looks like.

943
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Mister rob Razinski, that's cool.

944
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how this

945
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 4: thing unfolds. I think there's a lot of positions in

946
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: there though that I don't know if they need fresh

947
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 4: eyes or what they need, but they need something because

948
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: it clearly hasn't been working. I mean, if you go

949
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: back over the last two three years or whatever of

950
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: this regime with Quezy.

951
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to look at the drafts. Don't ask

952
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: me to do that.

953
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 4: Cool, Well, the drafts have been terrible, but free agency

954
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 4: we've hit on some, let's be honest. I mean Blake Cashman,

955
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 4: I love that kid, he's a great kid.

956
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: Ye Ginkold didn't really see how that would work, and

957
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: it really works.

958
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: And great, I think. But there's a lot of misses

959
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: along the way too, so and those are free agent missions.

960
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 4: I mean, it's one thing to miss on a on

961
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: a draft pick just because that can happen. Sure, but

962
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 4: when you're doing with the free agents, that's a little

963
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 4: bit of a different story because you've seen what they

964
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 4: are and you know what they are, and you get

965
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 4: them and they are who they are right and it's

966
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: not that good sometimes. So I think it's something that

967
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to really polish that up and make

968
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 4: sure that that gets done better because it has not

969
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 4: worked in the last three or four years.

970
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: I agree with you there. Thanks for hanging out man.

971
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: It's all fun, man, it's great to be with you.

972
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: No, thank you to Pete najerryan At Pete Najerian via X.

973
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: Thank you Howard Bornstein and everyone just love mentioning ours name.

974
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: He deserves. Oh yeah, I know I'm gonna get.

975
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: Six phone calls about it. No good to see you, brother,

976
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: having to see you.

977
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: Someday we'll catch up if it's cool though, maybe we'll

978
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: catch up closer to the draft again. I'd love to

979
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: love to have more conversations with you. That's Pete Nigerian.

980
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna pause a little news around the corner and

981
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: then we'll check in with Alec Lewis of the Athletic

982
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: in the eleven am hour.

983
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Speaker 1: It's nor to win for Pa on the fan.

984
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: What up news Denord brought to you by the casino

985
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Speaker 3: at Canterbury Park Canterburypark dot com real quick, and then

986
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Speaker 3: we will transition to alec Lewis to kick off the

987
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Speaker 3: eleven o'clock hour and Canterbury Park dot Com feeling the

988
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: felt all year long.

989
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: But some news nuggets from Brett number.

990
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: What was your favorite David Montgomery in Detroit moment?

991
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is on the way out. He's on the

992
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: way to Houston.

993
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: So the Texans get Montgomery, the Lions get a fourth

994
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: round pick, offensive lineman Juice Scruggs, great name, and a

995
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: seventh round pick in twenty twenty seven. That's all it

996
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: took to get David Montgomery. So Knuckles leave Sonic and

997
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: is out of Detroit.

998
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: Your thoughts, well, first of all, hit me with that

999
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: trade equity again because I had just seen some Adam

1000
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: schefter somebody.

1001
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: There were a few, and thank you.

1002
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm not I'm not trying I diminish

1003
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: this when I when I say it this way, but

1004
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: six four six eighty six brat Shawn Bryan KFA text line.

1005
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: A couple of people sent in a links to a

1006
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: link to an Adam Schefter post about it on ESPN.

1007
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: I saw they just flipped him for a fifth round pick.

1008
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: That's what I've seen.

1009
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they saw.

1010
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: Several people like, you know, Montgomery was like, well, I'm

1011
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: not I'm not stopping everything with a breaking news sounder,

1012
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: but in all serieses, I appreciate it.

1013
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: I thought it was just a fifth round pick.

1014
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: So they're saying it was a fifth round like quality.

1015
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 2: I guess so Schefter had the updated compensation. He tweeted

1016
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: it out. Oh really, yeah, Schefter was wrong out of

1017
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: the gates, you said, or maybe they were just cloudy

1018
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: about it.

1019
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1020
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: But so the Lions get a fourth round pick, juice

1021
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: scrugs and a seventh round pick in twenty twenty.

1022
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: Seven, which is a sweet name.

1023
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 4: It's so good.

1024
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what Montgomery was making.

1025
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're if they're getting out while

1026
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: the getting is probably still good.

1027
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: That the fact is.

1028
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I look at this almost more from the

1029
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 3: Texans side of things, whether it's you know, they've tried

1030
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb, they tried Damian Pierce, they have Woody Marx,

1031
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: and now Montgomery just like how brutally the Texans have

1032
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: continued to fail at every turn. Now, I don't believe

1033
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: they've failed with Woody Marks, but in terms of creating

1034
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: a running back stable that they can win a ton

1035
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 3: of games with, albeit they were a playoff team, we're

1036
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: on the outside looking in, So go Texans, I guess.

1037
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: But to that end, if you're watching them, you know

1038
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: that they have struggled at that spot. So maybe Montgomery

1039
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: provides that same type of change of pace, goal line

1040
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 3: and short yardage related role that he used to offer

1041
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: to Jamior Gibbs. And so it's not world changing and

1042
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 3: shocking to me, just kind of feels like they're very,

1043
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 3: very confident that here here in Detroit, over in Detroit,

1044
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 3: that that they're ready to make him the feature creature

1045
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 3: and that he's going to do absolutely everything for that team,

1046
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: which he showed out in a massive way. Albeit a

1047
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: disappointing season for the Lions, he showed out.

1048
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: So best of luck to David Montgomery.

1049
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: And I'm about to learn more about Juice Scrugs offensive lineman. Yes, well,

1050
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: what's interesting about that too, And best of luck to

1051
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: Juice in Motown. And I know we gave up on

1052
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 3: Ed Ingram and you see a cool highlight on X

1053
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: and suddenly you think Ed Ingram in Houston is the

1054
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: next Marshal Leander Arianti Ursery. We want to root for

1055
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 3: the best Gophers connection sky you Ma down in Houston.

1056
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 3: Their offensive line is not very good and so if

1057
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: they were willing to flip Juice scrugs for this running

1058
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: back transaction, I don't see him jumping in for Christian

1059
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: Mahogany or Tate Rattledge.

1060
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: I guess is he a tackle or a guard?

1061
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: You know, so quick search says I see one thing

1062
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: he's a center, and one thing say he's a guard.

1063
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: So probably one of that's.

1064
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: An old center guard flexibility teams. I wouldn't mind that break.

1065
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: Blake Brandle, though, played every freaking position on the field.

1066
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: It felt like for the Vikings this year you need

1067
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: that and uh and the Lions, part of the quick

1068
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: change for them has truly been uh just the I

1069
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: mean precipitous downfall of quality at the O line spot.

1070
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: So maybe the maybe the Lions.

1071
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: Are just like the Purple and the Draft talking with

1072
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: Pete like they whether it's the center spot. Graham Glasgow

1073
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: just just wasn't good enough last year for them. Maybe

1074
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: the maybe the kiddies are going to try and try

1075
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 3: and snipe us on a on a center in uh

1076
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: in April's draft.

1077
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: We'll see, but.

1078
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: Uh, welcome Juice to the kiddies covenant, and best of

1079
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: luck to mister Montgomery to work with what he marks

1080
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: down in Houston.

1081
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: That's cool. Anything else?

1082
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Speaker 2: Real name Frederick Henry Scruggs nicknamed Juice. I like Juice

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Speaker 2: a lot better. I think that's a that's a good

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Speaker 2: move for him. I don't know, I'm Red Scrugs. That's

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Speaker 2: not Freddy. What about fred Freddy Scruggs. That's that's kind

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Speaker 2: of good too, accellent, Yeah, I don't mind that. You know,

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Speaker 2: he's like Freddy Krueger in the trenches, brilliant, give the

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Speaker 2: d line nightmares.

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Speaker 1: See there you go. Yes, I'm I'm proof.

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Speaker 3: So as long as he is in Detroit, I will

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Speaker 3: not call him Juice.

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Speaker 1: And what a weird thing to where this would happen.

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Speaker 3: Where I actually met Juice Scrugs and he's like, I

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Speaker 3: prefer Juice, then.

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Speaker 1: I would call him Juice.

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Speaker 3: Probably the case so I but I don't foresee a

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Speaker 3: personal interaction ever taking place, So best of luck to

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Speaker 3: Freddy the Nightmare that he can be on the interior

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Speaker 3: moving man for Jamiir Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Juice is cool, but Freddy pro Freddy

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Speaker 1: anything else? No, that's it. Okay, Central Snoos and Yeats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh of course uh Wild lost three to

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Speaker 3: one to Saint Louis. We did that in the in

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Speaker 3: the weekend wrap Roman it kind of a blue liner.

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Speaker 3: They added Boris kutchulk heads to Philly Tampa in town

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Speaker 3: tomorrow night. Looking forward to that a little later, puck drop,

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Speaker 3: I think it said, just some primetime hockey taking place

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Speaker 3: on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Wolves. It's three in a row, it's like six of

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Speaker 1: their last seven.

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Speaker 3: They beat the Nugs yesterday, rising to the occasion against

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Speaker 3: a contender.

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Speaker 1: We dig that.

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Speaker 3: And and Pa, he was at the game yesterday mile High.

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Speaker 3: So when he returns tomorrow we'll chat. We'll probably chat

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Speaker 3: about that and maybe even have the head coach on,

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Speaker 3: so we'll find out about that.

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Speaker 1: But next Alec lewis one of our favorites.

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Speaker 3: He was in Indianapolis for the better part of a week

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Speaker 3: with the NFL scouting combine, steamrolling right in a.

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Speaker 1: Ton of content.

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Speaker 3: He's got this QB piece that he just dropped this

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Speaker 3: morning that I want to dig into him, dig into

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Speaker 3: with him.

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Speaker 1: It's Alec Lewis of the Athletic. He joins me. Next

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Speaker 1: final hour ahead nine to noon