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Speaker 1: It is twenty three from five o'clock. This is ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty. I'm Oeger. Next hour Richard Skinner, and we

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Speaker 1: got the dude from MLS Season Pass who's calling FC

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Columbus on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Six o'clock game.

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Speaker 1: It's Decision Days, so to speak with all the different

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Speaker 1: game threes between Friday, Saturday and Sunday that coming up

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Speaker 1: at five forty five. We'll get to sports headlines here

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Speaker 1: in a few but first it's Wednesday, which means we

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Speaker 1: chat with our friend from Dean Dorton Private Wealth wealth advisor,

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Speaker 1: Amy Wagner, to talk sports and money, and we get

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Speaker 1: you in studio, which is the best. How's it going.

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Speaker 2: Good to be here?

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Speaker 3: I thought we were going to talk for this entire

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Speaker 3: whatever ten minutes about the Colin Chandler dunk.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're excited about that, and you should be excited

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Speaker 3: That was fun for any UK basketball fans out there.

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Speaker 3: That's a nice fun start to the season.

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Speaker 1: They're pretty good last night. Play Louisville next Tuesday, which

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Speaker 1: is gonna be interesting because it's so early in the calendar.

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Speaker 1: But the Wildcats are going to be good this year,

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Speaker 1: so are the Cardinals. It's exciting.

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Speaker 3: No one has any insight into why that game is

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Speaker 3: so particularly early. It usually happens between Christmas and New Year's.

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Speaker 3: I am a house divided. Yeah, my husband is a

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Speaker 3: Cardinals grant. I'm a Cat's fan and a grad so.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't know. I've asked every UK

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Speaker 1: or Louisville fan I know, like, why are they playing

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Speaker 1: before they play the football game against each other?

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Speaker 2: It's weirdly.

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Speaker 3: It makes the game weirdly somewhat irrelevant, except for at

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Speaker 3: least in my house, it's very relevant.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to say irrelevant, but I wish

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Speaker 1: it really early. It's too early, especially in this era

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Speaker 1: where you don't know. You know less about teams early

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Speaker 1: in the season now than you used to, and these

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Speaker 1: games are more fun when you know more about the teams.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, you know, this is the annual time of

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Speaker 3: the year when as a UK fan you have to

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Speaker 3: learn all the new names of all the new players.

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Speaker 3: But I have literally been doing this since I was

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Speaker 3: in high school as a UK fan. Now, with a

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Speaker 3: transfer portal and nil, everyone has to do. Okay, basketball,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the party, everyone, like you know, it's October,

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Speaker 3: it's November.

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Speaker 2: You have to learn the.

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Speaker 3: Name of your college basketball players because they don't stick

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Speaker 1: This is true. So a huge part of that component

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Speaker 1: is name, image and likeness. Ye, and I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about this from a high school perspective because now

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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, and there are many other

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Speaker 1: who many others who are doing the exact same thing.

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Speaker 1: But now in the state of Ohio, athletes are apparently

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Speaker 1: going to be able to benefit from NIL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: In fact, Ohio was kind of one of the last holdouts,

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Speaker 3: one of only six states that was not well allowing

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Speaker 3: high school athletes to benefit from NIL. And actually the

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Speaker 2: Put a lawsuit in for him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and the judge then issued a temporary restraining order

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Speaker 3: against the man that you could not benefit in this

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Speaker 3: The NASH or the Ohio High School Athletic Association was

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Speaker 3: they're actually voting later this month. Everyone believes that this

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Speaker 3: Now I think it's like, okay, everyone's already doing this.

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Speaker 2: Now to varying degrees.

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Speaker 3: So in this state of Texas, the way that NIL

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Speaker 3: each state is dealing with this somewhat differently.

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Speaker 2: Right, there's not a national way.

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Speaker 3: But one interesting that Ohio has done is they are

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Speaker 2: The pitfalls to look out for.

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Speaker 3: So, as someone who is a huge proponent of financial literacy.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad that we're not like dumping thousands of dollars

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Speaker 2: Pockets and then say like, good luck, figure this out

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Speaker 1: So here's my question. So high school athletes can get

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're not there yet. That I give that

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Speaker 2: Miss want everybody to get paid.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was one heck of a clarinet player

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Speaker 3: you know. I Mean, it wasn't that long ago that

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Speaker 2: This is a slight twist on that.

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Speaker 3: Right now, you're student, your kid could be making money

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Speaker 3: in high school. Now listen, we're not talking major dollar signs.

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Speaker 3: I was looking today. I think of those reporting there's

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Speaker 2: Like, he's not going to make the kind of money

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Speaker 3: So you know, for parents who have standout athletes, make

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Speaker 2: In their lives?

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Speaker 3: You can actually open a wroth ira and to your point,

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Speaker 2: It has doesn't have to be with nil money.

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Speaker 3: It's any earned money that someone has, right, So if

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Speaker 2: Custodial wroth IRA for them.

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Speaker 3: They can put up to seven thousand dollars a year

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Speaker 2: So that's a great way.

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Speaker 3: They're paying taxes on it now, they're probably in a

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Speaker 1: See, this is why I wish you know you were

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Speaker 2: You know, you know what I mean? Yeah, there was

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Speaker 3: Yes, I obviously live in a household where we talk

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Speaker 1: You are working on it. There's one other thing I

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Speaker 1: It's and I'm not a YouTube TV subscriber, but it

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Speaker 3: No, well, it's insane first of all, that to watch

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Speaker 3: we've talked about this Thursday night package is on a

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Speaker 2: Like so it's insane. The number.

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Speaker 3: So you finally feel like, okay, we've got the streaming

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Speaker 2: I've seen. Hey it's impacting NBA games. Hey it's impacting

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Speaker 3: You know the interesting thing is you know, Okay, so

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you can change your pay TV provider.

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Speaker 2: It's frustrating and costly.

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Speaker 1: Extraordinarily, and the viewer always loses, right, The viewer always

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Speaker 1: There's enough money there, can't you just figure it out

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen that Pat McAfee's comments about like

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Speaker 2: People love sports. Can we let them watch sports?

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Speaker 3: And I appreciate someone who has that kind of a

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, just FYI radio broadcast of games

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Speaker 1: always free there you go. iHeartRadio app absolutely free.

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Speaker 3: You know, no fail, no miss and by the way,

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Speaker 1: Lance and Tony are great. Yeah, with no carriage disputes.

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Speaker 1: We just we give you the games and we don't

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Speaker 1: Amy Wagner, though, is the best. Deandortonwealth dot Com. We

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