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Speaker 3: Now you've found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Paul Danner Junior is here from The Athletic and the

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Speaker 4: Growler podcast on a lot of different Bengals and NFL stuff.

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Speaker 4: Later on, I did an interview with Jean's Territory. You'll

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Speaker 4: hear that. That's at five twenty. Juhanio Suarez spoke earlier

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Speaker 4: today Soda Nick Crawl.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear both. There's a lot of ground to cover.

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Speaker 4: We're also taking a request and a special guest a

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Speaker 4: little bit later on, none more special than Paul.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Paul, what's up? How are we doing with it? Wonderful?

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Speaker 1: I love your energy level.

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Speaker 2: You know, some people might think, hey, snowy, kind of

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Speaker 2: a lazy February day.

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Speaker 1: You're here and you are like ready to do this.

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Speaker 1: I am. I appreciate that you always bring There is

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Speaker 1: no off season. Oh oh you were here in June. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: you know there's well you just don't come in correct, yes, ye, no,

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Speaker 4: You're all in when I'm here, When I'm here, I

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Speaker 4: am one hundred percent all in. There's no there's no

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Speaker 4: denying that. It's it's awesome to have you. What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Not too much.

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Speaker 2: It's a very easy driving here. I imagine buses could

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Speaker 2: have also had a pretty easy drive.

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Speaker 1: But who am I? Yeah, you're you're like me. You're

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Speaker 1: a parent who's wondering why your kid had to be

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Speaker 1: off school today. That's that's who you are, That's what

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 4: I spent all day wondering, like, really, couldn't have today,

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Speaker 4: couldn't have gone into the snow flurries were too much

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Speaker 4: for a quick drop off and pick up and seven

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Speaker 4: hours of real good education that we didn't have it

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Speaker 4: all last week.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't do that today? Apparently not. No, I could

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Speaker 1: have done without the four thirty am call. I love

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Speaker 2: I mean, so now, not only are are your kids home,

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Speaker 2: but you're going to do it on minimal sleep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I slept through that text. Yeah, and my wife

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Speaker 4: did and like wake me up when she left for work.

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Speaker 4: So I got up in seven thirty five, saw the

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Speaker 4: and she was mildly excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was mildly excited.

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Speaker 2: Would I would hope. So I'm excited. We have we

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Speaker 2: built this Bob slid track in our backyard. It's like

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Speaker 2: fit perfectly because my kids are really excited. They loved

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Speaker 2: Cool Runnings and they're very excited about the Jamaican Bob

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Speaker 2: Slid team. So they were back there working the Bob

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Speaker 2: appointment viewing on the Jamaican Bob Slid team and they've

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Speaker 2: they have become experts on it.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I don't It's very weird, but I'm accepting

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of ground to cover that's specific to

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Speaker 4: the Bengals, and we're also we're gonna we're gonna deliver

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Speaker 4: something to your wheelhouse a little bit later on.

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Speaker 1: All right, but can I start with the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame stuff? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Because right so now Robert Kraft is not going to

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Speaker 4: and I don't really care that much. That's that's all

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Speaker 4: well and good. Is this good news for Ken Anderson?

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Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna get in, and so if it's the top

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be Roger Craig. The game is in

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Speaker 2: It's better than better than already knowing that those guys

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Speaker 1: It's going to be Roger Greig. Not that Roger Craig

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Speaker 4: Probably what is the most You're not a Hall of

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Speaker 2: The problem is you have these fifty people and they've

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Speaker 2: Okay, so if there's no way to politic because you

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Speaker 2: Check off who you think should get in and whoever

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Speaker 4: What I think baseball gets right is there's no there's

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Speaker 2: It's certainly brought this thing to light that we have

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Speaker 4: There's a guy who tracks Baseball Hall of Fame balloting

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Speaker 4: the official announcement is supposed to be on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that will work. Yes.

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Speaker 4: That's not because I don't know how you get the

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Speaker 4: mail bag questions. And I like, I have this dream

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Speaker 4: drawing some interest from Chicago for their offensive coordinator vacancy.

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Speaker 1: That was first reported by CBS Sports.

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Speaker 4: Domatow Peckel is apparently going to be the Steelers defensive

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Speaker 4: line coach. According to Zach Jackson, how about that that hurts? Yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: I love loved Domatah. Who doesn't I mean that one hurts?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I don't think that the current

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Speaker 4: Steel Jerry Montgomery, the new Scott Peters in what way

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Speaker 4: like Scott Peters unit took a big step forward, And hey,

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Speaker 4: he's a strike technique and he's got to work with

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Speaker 1: And then you know Jerrymunk, who you've written about. There's

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Speaker 2: I made sure to make a point about him in

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Speaker 2: there because he does not get enough credit for certainly

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Speaker 2: what happened with Miles this past year, and he's kind

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Speaker 2: of has had a track record now where we've seen

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Speaker 1: So I'll give him.

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Speaker 2: He deserves more credit than most defensive line coaches get

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Speaker 2: or probably deserve.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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Speaker 4: College basketball Tonight, Xavier is on the road against number

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Speaker 4: point thirty. Also tonight, dayton is looking to avoid its

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Speaker 4: first five game losing streak in twenty years as the

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Speaker 4: Flyers host Saint Bonaventure, Indiana looks for a fourth consecutive victory.

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Speaker 1: They're on the road tonight against the USC Hockey This evening.

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Speaker 4: The streaking Columbus Blue Jackets, winners a five straight and

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Speaker 4: nine out of ten, skate tonight on the.

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Speaker 1: Road against New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: Paul Daanner Junior from the Athletic and the Growlar podcast

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Speaker 4: is here. You did a mailbag, Yes, answered a question

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Speaker 4: from Lynn T. Lynn Wrights. Thanks for the mock off

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Speaker 4: season sheet. Really helpful for the free agent season and

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Speaker 4: the draft. Fill in the blank. The Bengals free agent

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Speaker 4: season is a success because they signed Blank. Your response,

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Speaker 4: big fan of filling the blank questions one of the

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm game, we can do fill in the blanks.

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Speaker 1: You had to do a say mo, I like doing

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Speaker 7: Had to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to send me these messages. I

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Speaker 1: read everything. I'm gonna get it. But I mean you could.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just you know, I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to tell you how to do your show. Well

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Speaker 2: everybody else us. Fine, Now does this mean that we're

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Speaker 2: some fill in the blanks. Let's go all right, Blank.

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Speaker 4: There is the biggest contract extension priority.

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Speaker 1: I would say it starts with DJ Turner.

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Speaker 2: I think he's the biggest priority because he has played

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Speaker 2: at the highest level. But I think because there's other

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Speaker 1: But I think you're, yeah, they're starting with DJ, that's

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Speaker 1: the first guy top of the list. I think you

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Speaker 1: start with your best player.

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Speaker 2: Now you know, they're gonna talk to Ya, They're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk to Chase Brown, They're gonna talk to Miles, They're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk to DJ and Dax and everybody, and there's

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Speaker 2: gonna be some combination. But I do you know, I

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Speaker 2: think you start with the guy who is the best player,

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Speaker 2: who will be the most expensive, and that's definitely DJ Turner.

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Speaker 4: Miles Murphy will finish with blank sacks then signed a

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Speaker 4: Miles Murphy guy. Like I want to be the Miles

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Speaker 4: Murphy guy. Why, guy, I have it already because every

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Speaker 4: get laughed at. And I think what we saw at

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Speaker 4: the end of last season portends a breakout twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Moving to this, I will say this, and this was

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Speaker 2: in my story today. I remembered before the season doing

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Speaker 2: this and talking about this stat because there was like, look,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to be a premier edge, you got

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Speaker 2: to come through on money downs, like when it's third

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Speaker 2: and long, that's got to be you. And Trey Henderson

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Speaker 1: Got to be where.

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Speaker 2: And no one had been worse except for one per

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Speaker 2: literally the last two years combined, then Miles Murphy entering

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Speaker 2: this season. I remember pointing this out as the argument

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Speaker 2: against Miles Murphy, whereas there were a lot of reasons

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Speaker 2: maybe you could have you could believe, but then until

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Speaker 2: that changed, it was hard to believe. This year he

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Speaker 2: ends up in the top ten amongst all pass rushers

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Speaker 2: in pressure percentage on third and five or fourth and

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Speaker 2: Will Anderson, Jeffrey Simmons, Jared Vers, Micah Parsons, Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 2: That's who he was. That's not second half of the

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Speaker 2: season that's all season. It's pressure percentage. He's still got

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Speaker 1: You saw the finish start to show up a little

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Speaker 1: bit more.

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Speaker 2: But he was getting pressure in those downs where you

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Speaker 2: look for your edge to get pressure all year long.

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Speaker 2: And to me, that's when when you talk about underlying

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Speaker 2: surrounded by those names should tell you something because those

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Speaker 2: are guys that are going to continue to be guys.

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Speaker 2: And and if he continues to go in that direction, man,

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Speaker 2: you there's no reason you can't bet on him.

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Speaker 1: He is not there yet, no, but you see direction.

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Speaker 2: Because because you're like when we talk about well Trey

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Speaker 2: you look at this type of stuff, another year development

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Speaker 2: where he finishes better and you get much more of

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Speaker 2: what you got that second half of the season. In

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Speaker 2: that regard, you can start to put up Hendrickson numbers

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Speaker 2: a head more often.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if if last year was Miles Murphy was what

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Speaker 4: we saw his rookie season.

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Speaker 1: We would be giddy.

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Speaker 4: Oh you know. Yeah, So all right, it's come later

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Speaker 4: than we would have liked. That doesn't mean it can't

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Speaker 4: still be a part of what they're doing moving forward.

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Speaker 4: When we sit down in July and talk about things

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Speaker 4: we shall be excited about. He will be very close

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Speaker 4: to the top of the list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I would put a double digit number on

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Speaker 1: on the projection for next year on sacks.

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Speaker 4: Double.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the last time I made a double digit

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Speaker 2: sack projection he got zero, So I can't you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe grain assault on that, but I think I do.

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Speaker 2: I do think you saw a legit. It was not fake,

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Speaker 2: It was not coincidental. It was not taking advantage of

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Speaker 2: it was a real sustainable leap and that will end

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Speaker 2: up with a lot.

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Speaker 1: Of sacks next year. You're gonna fill in the blank

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Speaker 1: of a million of millions of dollars. You can look

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Speaker 1: up what those guys cost.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Blank is the best coach in the AFC North.

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Speaker 1: That's a hard one. We've been doing this one, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's been a fun one. I think everybody's

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Speaker 1: because it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't I disqualify Todd Monkin and Jesse Minter, Okay, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you could say that they're the best.

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Speaker 2: We've never even seen them do the job before. So

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, I mean, he's had success, he's won games,

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Speaker 2: he's won super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And versus Zach Taylor, who's had success, he's won games,

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Speaker 2: he's been to a super Bowl, you'd probably give the

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Speaker 2: edge to Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know that it's a some

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Speaker 1: some large gap.

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Speaker 4: U Haannio Suarez will hit blank home runs in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six.

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Speaker 1: It's not so many U thirty thirty seven? I had

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Speaker 1: thirty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's fair to expect him to do what

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Speaker 2: he did last year. Uh, but it wouldn't be fun

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Speaker 2: if he did, you know. But yeah, I think I

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Speaker 2: think that's that's fair to see it in the in

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Speaker 2: the forty range.

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Speaker 1: All right, this this might be this might be a thing.

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Speaker 1: Now let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I will my next male, I'll point out

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Speaker 2: another sports talk trope that I enjoy in and so

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Speaker 2: that'll be my way of telling you again, just hinting

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Speaker 2: at other things I like to do.

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Speaker 4: All right, Hang tight, I got more. It's not more

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Speaker 1: This report is but that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's see if we can get it to like

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Speaker 4: an even ten before we change that imaging. It's' ton

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Speaker 4: away from four o'clock this ESPNT fifteen thirty moagger. Another

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Speaker 4: few minutes with Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and

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Speaker 4: the Growler podcast. The latest edition is out. You've made

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Speaker 4: mention in your mailbag this has been a really slow month,

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Speaker 4: and so I've I was a little surprised late last

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Speaker 4: week that you didn't have something ready to go about

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Speaker 4: Nick Lache's Bengals song.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, here we go, and so you know, here

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Speaker 1: we go.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I printed out here in Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: dot Com. Nick Lache urges Mike Brown to sell Cincinnati

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Speaker 4: Bengals a new song.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you haven't had a chance to write about it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's not news.

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Speaker 4: So what I thought we would do is, while you're here,

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Speaker 4: welcome in. The former lead singer of ninety eight Degrees

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Speaker 4: and the current host of Love Is Blind.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati native Nick Lache is with us NET. Congratulations on

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Speaker 1: the new song.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you've hit a bit of a breaking point here

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Speaker 4: with the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: What was the breaking point for you?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 9: Honestly, you know, I'm fifty two. I've been watching the

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Speaker 9: Bengals for probably forty five of those fifty two years,

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Speaker 9: so you know, I've seen a lot of very bad

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Speaker 9: football in my lifetime. And it gotten kind of used

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Speaker 9: to it and gotten kind of doub to it. But

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Speaker 9: I think this past season, just the the announcement that

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Speaker 9: they weren't making any kind of changes to what they

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Speaker 9: were doing or the way they were doing it, it

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Speaker 9: just it was my breaking point. You know, this this

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Speaker 9: idea that we're satisfied with failing here in the here out.

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Speaker 9: More importantly now is that we're in the peak of,

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Speaker 9: you know, or what should be the peak of.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's career.

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Speaker 9: Right. I think we all can acknowledge he's the perfect

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Speaker 9: quarterback for this team. He's a special, special talent. He's

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Speaker 9: an Ohio kid, he understands Ohio. He's kind of the

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Speaker 9: perfect fit for the Bengals. And I think when he

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Speaker 9: came in and I, like a lot of people, thought, well,

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Speaker 9: this is going to be a chance for the Bengals

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Speaker 9: to redefine themselves. You know, we're not gonna be the

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Speaker 9: laughing stock anymore. We're gonna, you know, redefine who we are.

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Speaker 9: Went to that Super Bowl up here, were away, it's

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Speaker 9: gonna be a different thing. And now where we've found

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Speaker 9: ourselves back in this same kind of perpetual cycle. And

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Speaker 9: so it's just a shame to see that we're we're

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Speaker 9: going about business as usual with so much at stake

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Speaker 9: and it's not working, you know, and it just finally

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Speaker 9: I just couldn't. I couldn't take it anymore. So like

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Speaker 9: I had to say something. And then, you know, look,

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Speaker 9: you get to talk on the radio every day. I

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Speaker 9: get to sing. So that's you know, we do we uh,

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Speaker 9: we do we know best, and that's I had to

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Speaker 9: channel it all into a into a song.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 9: It was strangely therapeutic.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, Nick, thanks, thanks so much. I know you

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Speaker 1: have to get back to work.

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Speaker 4: It's the masked singers on the night or something or

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Speaker 4: if I don't know anyway, So Nick La Paul, I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry you're not going to get a chance to

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Speaker 4: ask a question, but there's a direct quote from you

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Speaker 4: that you could use to write about Nick Lache's dissatisfaction

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Speaker 4: with the Bengals resulting in what I'm sure is going

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Speaker 4: to be a song that tops the charts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, I know, I appreciate that. I was still

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Speaker 2: confused what just happened?

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Speaker 1: I did you? I mean, what is that?

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Speaker 4: So first of all, you know, we're streaming this hour

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Speaker 4: on Twitter, and so folks who happened to be watching

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Speaker 4: got a chance to see your face when that happened,

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Speaker 4: and that made it work it for me, that was

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Speaker 4: that part wasn't planned.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be like so I just we just

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Speaker 1: got done watching.

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Speaker 2: There was this series called called Dirty Talk about talk

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Speaker 2: shows in the nineties that was on, and so I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I've really had like the old Ricky Lake and Jerry Springer,

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Speaker 2: Jenny Jones, I mean, which ended very badly, but it's

751
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Speaker 2: actually an excellent Jenny Jones.

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Speaker 1: There was there was a death because of her show.

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Speaker 1: You had to go to trial. You should watch it. It's great,

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Speaker 1: sounds sounds fun.

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Speaker 2: It actually was. Yeah, actually that not that part, but

756
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Speaker 2: lots of old Jerry. Anyway, I've had that on my mind.

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Speaker 2: And then You're like, I.

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Speaker 1: Thought he was gonna walk in the door.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was to be like Jerry and he

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Speaker 2: was gonna like throw a chair at me or something

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00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: like that. Austin's gonna come out of the bath Jerry.

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Speaker 2: I was ready for it. I mean, I had that

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Speaker 2: in my head and I'm like, what is happening here?

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Speaker 2: So all right, I believe in transparency. Yeah, so yesterday

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Speaker 2: my friend down the hall, John John Atkiss one O seven.

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Speaker 4: Yes, do you want to have Nick Lache on? Like,

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Speaker 4: all right, sure, what's the most fun that I can

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Speaker 4: have with this? And then I'm like, well, Paul's here tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: And Paul doesn't dislike Nick Lache at least I don't

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Speaker 4: think you do. No, you dislike the fact that what

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Speaker 4: he says is treated like it's news, like it's big news.

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Speaker 4: And so he wrote a song last week urging Mike

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Speaker 4: Brown to sell the team and outlets treat it like

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Speaker 4: it's news, which, by the way, it is a new

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Speaker 4: song being released, you know, right right. I mean, when

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Speaker 4: when a famous artist releases a protest song out of

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Speaker 4: the blue, it it ends up being news. So and

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Speaker 4: uh and so I thought, what we'll do is is

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Speaker 4: I'll tape an interview with Nick and then I'll sort

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Speaker 4: of ambush Paul with it. I got the It was silent, unfortunately,

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Speaker 4: but I got the reaction that I was looking for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very confused.

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Speaker 2: I'm just happy that this wasn't like an actual tech No,

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Speaker 2: that's that's that's great.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I still would say that it's not really news. I

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Speaker 2: would still say that it's pretty clear. But you know what,

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Speaker 2: I got the number of texts that I got last

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Speaker 2: Friday and I hadn't seen it, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening, but.

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Speaker 1: Nick Lache has done something and people really want me

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Speaker 1: to know about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been there's there's been a lot of discussions,

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Speaker 2: like if there should be some sort of a disc

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Speaker 2: disc track that I should do on who they like?

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Speaker 1: Got a microphone in front of you right now.

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Speaker 2: No, I take some time to compose a song. I

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Speaker 2: guess I don't know, but my my diss again. I

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Speaker 2: have listened well as long as I could get into it.

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Speaker 2: I laughed about I could take about twenty seconds of

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Speaker 2: a song.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a lot of ambiguity to it. That's what's

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Speaker 1: great about it.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it would be better if like Mike

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Speaker 2: Brown did this track or something, if we could ever

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Speaker 2: make that happen.

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Speaker 4: Do you think like the Brown family on Friday afternoon

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Speaker 4: quickly convene a meeting, of course, because.

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Speaker 2: What are we gonna do about the Lache problem? Everyone

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Speaker 2: gather around Katie, Katie, we've got the worse Katie.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not how this Anyway, I interviewed Nick and

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Speaker 1: there was a minute of it for you. What else

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Speaker 1: is on this Are you gonna like drop these in

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Speaker 1: on me periodic? I might, I might over the course

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Speaker 1: of the coming It'll be like the Michael Jordan thing

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Speaker 1: on NBC's NBA, where that's you know, he did one

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Speaker 1: big interview and they just keep dropping in snippets of

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Speaker 1: it during the pre That might be what we do

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Speaker 1: with the Nick Lache interview that I recorded at one

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Speaker 1: thirty this afternoon. I love it. I love it. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy for you. I'm happy for you. I got the

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Speaker 1: look on your face. I just can't believe priceless.

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Speaker 2: It got dropped apparently last week around the tweet or

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Speaker 2: whatever I saw it was in the middle of the afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The fact that I didn't see a push alert until

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock actually was.

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Speaker 1: The upset of the day. Really that it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: I just I'm disappointed in those people because they're usually

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Speaker 2: much faster.

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Speaker 1: I saw it.

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Speaker 4: I was sitting in the back of an uber on

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Speaker 4: my way to an event and I saw it, and

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Speaker 4: I was trying to come up with like a way

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Speaker 4: to tweet you, and I'm like, you know, it's Friday evening.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that this will be received in the

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Speaker 4: spirit that I wish, So why don't I wait till

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Speaker 4: Tuesday and then yesterday when my colleagues like, I can

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Speaker 4: get Nick Lache on and I'm like, all right, we can.

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Speaker 4: We're cant have fun with that. Yeah, well, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I'm honest, I'm glad you explained it because I was

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Speaker 2: very confused.

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00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: Jim was like, so I legitimately was like, you know what,

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Speaker 4: can I get him at three forty five? Can I

844
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Speaker 4: just get him on live? And I'm like, nah, that's

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Speaker 4: not probably the best approach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So there it is, well done. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: This has been We've learned so much.

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 4: Paul Danner Junior read his work on the Bengals. He's

850
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Speaker 4: going through the pass Rush Part one today, yes, part

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Speaker 4: two tomorrow.

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00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: Part three is Thursday. Correct. Wow, all day. That's a

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Speaker 1: little lot, man, unbelievable. It's incredible. Fill in the space

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Speaker 1: quite well.

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Speaker 4: And the latest edition of the Growler podcast came out

856
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 4: earlier today. Watch that on YouTube or listen to it.

857
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: As we say, where you get your podcast? We got

858
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Speaker 4: auheneos where as to talk about There's a question that

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00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 4: was brought to me that I think as fans we

860
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: can't help but ask. I'll tell you what that question is,

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Speaker 4: coming up at four oh five. My name is Mowegor.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for listening to us. This is

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Speaker 4: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports at station.

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Speaker 1: You're one stop for