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Speaker 3: Well, the conspiracy theories is that's why the real reason

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Speaker 3: so many unprecedented.

434
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Speaker 2: Moment Well, we've had, you know, the anniversaries of it

435
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: happens every year. This time you're obviously the eighty seven twins,

436
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 2: but even probably winning Game seven and more importantly ninety

437
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: one with Jack Morris, the ten innings and so forth.

438
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: And that's another game you could almost write a book, Yeah,

439
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: on the entire you know, just just on that single game,

440
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: forget you know, anything else. Yeah.

441
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: And I was Atlanta Braves fan growing up, and so

442
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 3: I remember where I was when kent Herbeck, Oh that

443
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 3: pushed Ron Gant off first base.

444
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: When no, when he pushed him or pulled him or

445
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: or he's like sga, he just doesn't have great balance.

446
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he he just unfortunately falls in And I

447
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 3: remember like the the like I view the Kirby Puckett

448
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: home run as the Charlie lee Brandt pitches. I'm a

449
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 3: Braves fan, and I remember feeling so bad for him

450
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 3: cause it looked like he was bawling walking off the field,

451
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: and so like it. It's funny how you remember these

452
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: things from different perspectives.

453
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: But there's many.

454
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: You know, the Cid bream, you know, because that I

455
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 3: can still hear Skip Carry, who was the longtime Braves

456
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: announcer who you know, who had called so many terrible

457
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: one hundred loss seasons and then suddenly they're they're winning

458
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: the pennant. And five times he said, the Braves win

459
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: the pennant. The Braves win the Pennant. And I'll just

460
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 3: hear that for the rest of your life. Yeah, stays

461
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: with you for sure. All Right, we'll have fun with

462
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: the lads in Detroit. You're going to Detroit, could get ugly,

463
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 3: who knows, well, we'll be there to a funny game.

464
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: It is we know there.

465
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: And you cannot predict the way it bounces you going

466
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 3: in Saturday Saturday night, have to kind of right. There

467
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: used to be a flight that you could take out

468
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: late Sunday night, but it doesn't exist anymore.

469
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: You still stay at the Isn't there a Marriott right

470
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: at the airport? It's Western in the airport and that's

471
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, that's where we stay. And that's

472
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: a nice one. That's perfect GPS location. You get to

473
00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 2: walk right to the gate, right dedicated security here as

474
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: good as I come. I love that airport so much.

475
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: When I remember saying there was a Marriott, did it

476
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: become a Western? Maybe it was always a Western. I

477
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: don't remember I started saying it was Western. Same Bonvoyd points, yeah, exactly.

478
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, you're good they I'll transfer, Thanks, okay.

479
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Kevin seffert E s p N dot Com. Luigi will

480
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: join in the five o'clock hour. Lots more to get to,

481
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: including perhaps a done as item and a couple of

482
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 2: other things related to the baseball game statement.

483
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Speaker 4: Time now for the Vikings report on the Van presented

484
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Speaker 4: by Miller lte Yike's wide receiver Adam Thielen joins danbur

485
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Speaker 4: Rairoad next.

486
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Speaker 2: Guardie. They're playing that game again on uh Cornheiser and

487
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Speaker 2: the Wilbon show, what's it called part in the Interruption

488
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Speaker 2: p t I where the headline reads more about the

489
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: Commanders or the Chiefs they played in the Monday night

490
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: game last night. In other words, it's it more that

491
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: the Chiefs won it or the Commanders lost it. I

492
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 2: don't recall them offering that same headline after vikings charagures

493
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: I said, well, was it which which was? Which had

494
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: more to do with it? It seemed, I think a

495
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: little bit clear. I watched very little of that game

496
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: because I wanted to watch some Wolves, and then I

497
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 2: did get into the World Series madness as well as

498
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: it went on. Here's the stat that's gaining a lot

499
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: of traction in the wake of Game three show, hey

500
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: Otani's last two home games in the postseason seven for seven,

501
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: five home runs, six walks, and ten strikeouts in six

502
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: innings pitched. It's this last two home games tonight. Of

503
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: course he's starting. I don't know how long he's expected

504
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: to go. But again, there's analytics for everything in the

505
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: street of baseball. Has any player in the postseason ever

506
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: had back to back home games that can match seven

507
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: for seven officially as a hitter, five home runs, six

508
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: walks ten strikeouts in six innings, pitched absurdity. Pretty good,

509
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: as Joe Maher would say, it's pretty good, no question

510
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: about that. Bratchean Brian Kafe in text line is open

511
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: and that number, of course is six for six eight

512
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: six on air production meeting. Yeah, can you see into

513
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: the score? Is Kevin in the score right now? Can

514
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: you see? I don't think anybody's in there new intern Kevin. No,

515
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: and he's pretty tall, so I think i'd see him.

516
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: I know, because Luigi's here, so I'm trying to see

517
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: if somebody call role. I see No, I don't see

518
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: him in the room. Unfortunately. Also Luigi he gets I

519
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: don't know if you know this or not. He can

520
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: be impatient. Louis can be a little on the impatient side.

521
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: Were you aware of that. I've learned some things about

522
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: Louis over the years. That might be one of them.

523
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: Let me get to a couple of texts. Guard. You

524
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: just expressed his love for the Detroit Airport. I hope

525
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: MSP is not listening. That's true. You did like I did.

526
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: Conflict of interest. I do love that Weston though, well, yeah,

527
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: I think that has more to do with the hotel

528
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: and location than loving the airport exactly. You still like

529
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: this airport better? Well, for sure, it's obvious. I think

530
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: most of us do. I actually I was just telling

531
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: Seafort I watched JJ McCarthy beat Washington in the National

532
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: Championship game in that Detroit Airport Western Lobby bar. Yeah,

533
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: were we still stealing signals by then? It was that season.

534
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: That's all that broke. Yeah, don't recall if we were

535
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: or not, to be honest with you, what else do

536
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: we have here? I'm not sure how this hasn't been

537
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: mentioned here, but Michigan cheating and knowing what defense was

538
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: coming could only result in JJ pearing to be better

539
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: and he actually is.

540
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: Well.

541
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 2: Look, we have talked about that often over the years,

542
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: and it's it's tricky because I certainly wouldn't have endorsed

543
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: the Vikings decision to draft them if I felt it

544
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: was all smoke and mirrors. I think you were on

545
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: board with that decision, too. But that's all. He's cold

546
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: have been hanging over the whole thing. You know, it's

547
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: the great unknown. It may well be that it had

548
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot less to do with his

549
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: success than anybody wants to project. But that's the door

550
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 2: that gets opened when you have that kind of scandal, right,

551
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: is that it opens the door to any sort of

552
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 2: ominous feelings about it? What exactly it it represented? Maybe

553
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: we'll find out soon enough. I I don't know. Don't worry.

554
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: JJ will get hurt again by halftime this weekend, writes

555
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: Willow Mark Rosen's cat guy, and we will see Brozmer

556
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: soon enough. Nothing would surprise me now I asked you

557
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: this question. I don't know, Seaffert, Yeah, answered it or not?

558
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: Is there's a uh, there's a Twitter handle and x

559
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: handle called polymarket football. It's got a check mark. But

560
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: is it satirical or does it have any reporting chops?

561
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: Do we know? I have no knowledge of polymarkets? Too

562
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: delicious to not at least address it. Because here's what

563
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: they wrote. The Vikings have reportedly reached out to the

564
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: Giants and the availability of Russell Wilson and Jameis Winston.

565
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: They prefer Winston, but the Giants have no plans to

566
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: trade him currently. So is this a satirical site to

567
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: get Nacho liber going because of his well stated opinions

568
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: on on Russell Wilson on Russ Is there I would

569
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: be see. I would be skeptical to me, those names

570
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: are both too big because I don't think we're bringing

571
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: anybody into be a two. Bring somebody in as a

572
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: body to be a three. Probably you're gonna bring Russell

573
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: Wilson into be a three. No, are you gonna bring

574
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: Jamis Jamis into be a three? I don't believe so

575
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: at this point. So you're back to you got to

576
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: actually get somebody less distinguished just as a body to

577
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: have somebody there. No names have surfaced from the Jackals

578
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: right locally. I don't believe nothing I've seen, which surprises

579
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: me because I brought this up yesterday. So well, they

580
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: got to get another quarterback, even if it's a you know,

581
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: just for an emergency purpose and just for the sake

582
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: of having a third body. But we've seen weirder things

583
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: happen then two quarterbacks getting hurt the same week. It's

584
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: it's rare, but this is a rare offensive line. You

585
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: would think today would be the day to get that

586
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: done too, while the team is off before they come

587
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 2: back to practice tomorrow. Right, get him in the building

588
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: today or at least tomorrow morning and have already at

589
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: least that's true, scan the iPad a few times A

590
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 2: way of the land, Yeah, a little bit. I don't know,

591
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: and I are we is pastor not available? I don't

592
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: think so. No, he's on a team. Is on a team? Yeah,

593
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was New England, wasn't it

594
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: this we might have? Who was the QB we had

595
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: who could throw for four hundred yards but also throw

596
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: five picks? Shan Manyon, No, not Manion. There's Mullins. Mullins.

597
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: Is Mullins still in the league. Probably, see it would

598
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: be more of that color Manion or those kind of guys.

599
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: Don't you think we have had some guys? Man? Could

600
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: it be? Could we elevate our quarterbacks? Coach McCown? McCown,

601
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: he looks still to be in great shape, by the

602
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: way we'd ever addressed this. There was some consternation and

603
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: frustration about Yes. The smiling and laughing between Yes Carson

604
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: Wentz and the QB coach misconstrued fair game. They got

605
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: to understand, it's as visual. It doesn't look good. You're

606
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: getting your asses handed to and you guys are chuckling

607
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: about some inside jokes, even if it's gallows humor. I

608
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: thought it was absurd. I thought it was absurd, and

609
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: I I caught it a couple of times because didn't

610
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: Al Michael say something on the way into half? I

611
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: think I did hear that. I think on the Amazon

612
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: Prime broadcast he meant Prime video he mentioned kind of

613
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: an odd look here after what just happened? You're laughing

614
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: on the way in. I don't remember what the score

615
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: was intern guys back in studious. Oh good, I might

616
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: have to pop over and just tell him to go

617
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: get Louis. I told him. I tweeted out like it

618
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: was happening the whole game, like Carson's getting ragged alled

619
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: and then they come back to the side, It's like,

620
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: what's so far? Are we looking at Nate Bargetzi oels

621
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: or something? Those were rueful grins. Those were gallows humor grins.

622
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: What could possibly be funny? What could possibly be funny

623
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: about going into the half the way that you did?

624
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 2: There was nothing fun way that they were fine at all, Offense, defense,

625
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: special teams, the whole bit. It was not funny. And

626
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: I hated it, and I it was like it was

627
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: troubling at the very least. Yeah, like do I think

628
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: they should fire him? Friday morning. No, but what the season?

629
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: He al's but county. He might be fifty, Oh is he? Yeah?

630
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: Probably starting to the ground. Your fans are in agony,

631
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: many of them in the stadium, and you're laughing like

632
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: you're at a Seinfeld show. Yeah, it was not It

633
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: was not a helpful. Look, I'm just gonna tell Kevin

634
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: to go get And what was weird? That's fine? And

635
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: what was weird about it is, on the other hand,

636
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: you got, you know, the quarterback himself grimacing like he's

637
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: about to die. And obviously he didn't think anything was

638
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: particularly funny about that. So it was a strange juxtaposition.

639
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: It's not the story, but I can understand how Vikings

640
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: fans are going, what are we doing here? What exactly

641
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: is the is the deal? This?

642
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with?

643
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: George will George Will, Yes, the show ancient quarterback, quarterback.

644
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: I've got it on the brain right now. Columnist ye

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Speaker 2: who's still writing. He's eighty four. He's a ball guy,

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Speaker 2: he's and he's a big time ball guy. There's no

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Speaker 2: question about that. I put this under the clay. This

648
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Speaker 2: is a done as, This is a we doing in

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Speaker 2: all seriousness, What are we doing? He had a column

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Speaker 2: the other day that was just unsparing in its criticism

651
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Speaker 2: regarding let's just get anybody we can who looks suspicious

652
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Speaker 2: on the streets in the name of getting all the

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Speaker 2: illegal immigrants out of the country. If you read about

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Speaker 2: the ordeal of twenty six year old George, I believe

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Speaker 2: it's pronounced retests, it's our etes detained by ICE agents

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Speaker 2: despite being a US citizen and a US Army veteran

657
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Speaker 2: served in Iraq. By the way, did not move to

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Speaker 2: the US from another country. Born in Ventura, California, grew

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Speaker 2: up on the West Coast. His mother born in Ventura

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Speaker 2: as well. Here's what George will wrote. One Immigration and

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00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: Customs enforcement agent's knee was on his neck. Another was

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00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: grinding his back, drenched with tear gas and pepper spray.

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Speaker 2: George Urettis might have wished that his one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty seven pounds were back in Kirkuk, Iraq, one of

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Speaker 2: his Army deployments. Here with a glimpse of your tax

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Speaker 2: dollars at work. ICE agents wearing gas max masks indicated

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Speaker 2: this was at the plant where he works. Indicators of

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Speaker 2: their dispositions were blocking entry. He recounts saying the plant

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Speaker 2: was not operating. This was not the last ice lie

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Speaker 2: the iceman, presumably looking for illegal immigrants, amid a torrent

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Speaker 2: of shouted and contradictory iceman commands, and after he asked

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Speaker 2: for an agent's badge number, he says that Will says

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Speaker 2: Retest was dragged from his car. His wrists were zip

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Speaker 2: tied behind his back, and he was seated on the

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Speaker 2: roadside ground for four hours, then taken to a Navy

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Speaker 2: base where he was strip searched, then onto incarceration in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles, handcuffs having replaced the zip ties. No charges

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Speaker 2: had been made against him, but a mouth swap collected

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00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: his DNA without his consent. He says, His request for

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Speaker 2: a lawyer and for a shower to ease at his

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Speaker 2: comforts of tear gas and pepper spray residues were ignored

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Speaker 2: after three days, during which he missed his daughter's third birthday,

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Speaker 2: and agent told him the charges against him had been dropped.

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Speaker 2: What charges, he recalls, asking silence. Two months later, he

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Speaker 2: publishes a newspaper ibed about his experience. I suddenly claims

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Speaker 2: Rettis had been resisting its agents. Video from a Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles television station's helicopter monitoring ICE's operations seems to refute

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Speaker 2: Will writes the agency's fabrication. Three months later, after being detained,

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Speaker 2: Will notes Dwettess is still speaking out about his experience

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Speaker 2: and his working with an Institute for Justice attorney. A

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one Supreme Court ruling open the door for

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Speaker 2: holding abusive federal agents accountable for constitutional violations. Subsequent cases, however,

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Speaker 2: have almost closed the door. This might explain the ICE's

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Speaker 2: ICE agent's aura of impunity when abusing him for days.

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Speaker 2: How many appalling incidents are occurring during today tsunami of

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Speaker 2: sometimes lawless law enforcement. ICE might not know, and if

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Speaker 2: it does, might not speak truthfully. Even like I said

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Speaker 2: to the hardcore Trump fans, are you seriously behind this?

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Speaker 2: Are you endorsing this nonsense? We talked about this before

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Speaker 2: at the border. He's done the job, he won, But

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Speaker 2: when he opened the door as why as he has,

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Speaker 2: the longer this has gone on, the braver and more reckless.

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Speaker 2: We're learning that these ICE agents have become why because

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Speaker 2: there's nothing stopping them. So none of these stories are

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Speaker 2: particularly surprising, and they have nothing nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: actually taking care of the quote unquote I legal immigration issue.

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Speaker 2: When American citizens are treated like this, whether you're a

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Speaker 2: right a sharker a jet, shouldn't you be disgusted? Who

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Speaker 2: wins in that environment? This from George Will, by the way,

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Speaker 2: not exactly a George McGovern liberal. Louis Will be with

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Speaker 2: us top of the hour. I'm assuming top five at five.

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Speaker 2: We gonna do that with him or with or without it.

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Speaker 2: It never works with there. We got a lot to

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Speaker 2: discuss in the hockey world, by the way, including a

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00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: pretty interesting piece from Russo regarding allegedly one of our issues.

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Speaker 2: We've already had the captain's meeting with the general manager,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know what's left following at I've got

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Speaker 2: an idea up my sleeve that I think Luigi regarding

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Speaker 2: saving the wild, and I'm guessing Luigi will dismiss it

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Speaker 2: as being unrealistic. Interesting, but I would like to see

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Speaker 2: us find out whether it actually is as unrealistic as

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Speaker 2: as I'm assuming many people, including Louis Will will suggest.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out what he thinks is going on with

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Speaker 2: the gold I know, well, we talked a little bit

725
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: about the government's hockey team, but that was before we

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00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: got swept by d Luth. We're now is it two

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Speaker 2: five and one? That's what you said yesterday? Since we're

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Speaker 2: two five and one at this point, I know we

729
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: lost a bunch of people, but aren't there limits to

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Speaker 2: I mean, how far this this thing can go? And

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Speaker 2: who knows what else we'll get into. If you have

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Speaker 2: questions for Louis, the Bratcheaw Brian Kiffin text line is

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Speaker 2: wide open for you at six four, six, eight six.

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Speaker 2: What do we have for top five anything in particular?

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Speaker 2: We have Wolves, we have World series and more. Kevin

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Speaker 2: O'Connell explaining himself,