1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,480 Speaker 1: Pike. 2 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: Sincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored in part 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: by Skyline Chili. Stop by Skyline Chili for a three 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: way or cheese cony today. Feeling good, It's Skyline Time. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Happy Thursday. Welcome in to the latest edition 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: of Cincy three sixty. You are listening on the Home 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: to our friends at Skyline Chili. Welcome to another show 10 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: and welcome to a show where we this week, for 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: whatever reason, Austin always have even more to talk about 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: than normal things in the sports world. Just keep happening 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: throughout the week. We had the Kyle Schwarber Watch, we 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: had Zach Taylor's press conference coming off a loss against 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Been a lot going on in sports 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: and it's not slowed down. We have to spend a 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: lot of time today talking about what Joe Burrow said 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: at the podium yesterday that to me is the top 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: story out of Cincinnati right now, and it's now the 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: top story national. If you watch ESPN, get up. If 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: you listen to the show before this on Sportsmanlike. There's 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: a lot of conversation around Joe Burrow. I have my thoughts, 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: Austin has his thoughts. We'll share those in our second 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: segment of the day. Football in the NATI today coming 25 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: up around twelve twenty ish, so we'll get to that. 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: John Sheeran covering the Bengals from a disease sports will 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: join us at one o'clock. Our guy, Keegan nickoson Bearcat 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Journal dot com. We'll check in with us to discuss 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: the Bearcats and the Liberty Bowl. Discuss you see and 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: their upcoming matchup against Georgia on Saturday. So Keegan will 31 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: join us at two two o'clock. On Thursdays, we have 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: our normal Read and React segment that we'll get to 33 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: in our number three, we'll check in on some former 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: Barricats and what they've done at the college basketball level. Also, 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: Week fifteen of the NFL gets underway tonight. Yes, Week 36 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: fifteen NFL starts tonight. It's Falcons, It's Buccaneers, It's Baker Mayfield, 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: it's Bijon Robinson, mecag Buca, a lot of star power 38 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: on the field tonight. It's a Tampa Bay team that 39 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: is in desperate need of ending their skit at seven 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: and six against the Falcons team who is playing for 41 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: little at this point with Kirk Cousins as their quarterback. 42 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: We'll look ahead to what Week fifteen is for the 43 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: rest of the National Football League as well. The NBA 44 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: Cup is happening, and there is something going on in 45 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: the NBA that I am fascinated by. Austin, I mentioned 46 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: this when you got in today. It is the lack 47 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: of attention around the defending champion Oklahoma City Thunder. Now, 48 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 1: last night the Spurs beat the Lakers, the Thunder beat 49 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: the So so what you have is the final four 50 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: now set in the NBA Cup. Nicks will take on 51 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: the Magic and the Thunder will take on the Spurs, 52 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: who without Victor Webbinyama last night beat the Los Angeles Lakers. 53 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: But to me, Austin the talking point, the Oklahoma City 54 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: Thunder are twenty four and one. They are twenty four 55 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: and one to start the season. Their lone loss a 56 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: road loss at Portland one twenty one to one nineteen. 57 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: Outside of that, listen to some of these one thirty 58 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: eight to eighty nine, one thirty one to one oh one, 59 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: one thirty two to one, eleven, one, twenty four to one, twelve. 60 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: It goes on and on and on. They're winning games, Austin, 61 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: and most of these games aren't even close. And yet 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: I just I feel like I've not heard one thing 63 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: nationally about the Oklahoma City Thunder, who are twenty four 64 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: and one to start the season. It's incredible. What a 65 00:03:54,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: start for the Thunder, the defending champions. And then there 66 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: was the news out of ann Arbor that broke yesterday 67 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: and feels like has continued to evolve now into today. 68 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: Sherol Moore, who right now Austin remains in police custody, 69 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: has been fired as the head coach of Michigan. There 70 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: has not been a decision on the official charges right now, 71 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: but he is the suspect in an alleged assault that 72 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: took place yesterday, just hours after he was fired for 73 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: cause as the Michigan Wolverines football coach for what the 74 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: school described as quote an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. 75 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: This is bonkers, and I think as we go because 76 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: in these situations, Austen, out of respect for a victim 77 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: and out of respect for just wanting to have all 78 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: the information. There's a ton of speculation out there. There's 79 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: a ton of stories as to what may or may 80 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: not have actually happened. What we do you know, is 81 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: that Sharon Moore is in custody. He has no longer 82 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: the coach of the Michigan Wolverines, and this probably will 83 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: get uglier as the ghosts. I think there's a question 84 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: involved as well as when Michigan found out about this, 85 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: did they want to get past signing day before they 86 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: brought the the firing of SHARONO. I think there's a 87 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: lot that's going to go into this, but as of 88 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: right now, Michigan has part of ways with Sharon Moore. 89 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 3: I really wanted to spend a good chunk of today 90 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: making fun of Sharon Moore and making fun of the 91 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: University of Michigan and the Michigan man entitlement tour that 92 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: they have gone on over the last couple of years. 93 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: But unfortunately this story went from something that was easy 94 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: to make fun of to serious, yep and scary and sad. 95 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: With reports out there that Sharon Moore allegedly threatened to 96 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: kill someone, threatened to kill himself. Yeah, that's really scary 97 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: stuff and clearly some mental health is at play there 98 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: with Sharon Moore, and you hate to see that. Obviously, 99 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: lives are being ruined by this. Careers are being destroyed 100 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: by this. The Michigan football program in and of itself 101 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: is just in a difficult situation right now. Her a 102 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: report this morning from Tony Garcia, who follows or who 103 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 3: covers Michigan football, that said, they started investigating this in 104 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: October insane and really couldn't find enough evidence to prove it, 105 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 3: and so they were going to ride it out with 106 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: Sharon Moore until the last couple of weeks. And in 107 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, according to Tony Garcia, there 108 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 3: was a smoking gun found somewhere and they were able 109 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: to figure out all the evidence or whatever to be 110 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: able to fire Sharon more with cause. And now where 111 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 3: do they pivot? Is it Kaylin de boor is it 112 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: Brian Kelly? Is it Jedfish out in Washington urban miles 113 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: certainly not going to be urban mind, So where do 114 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: they pivot? 115 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. 116 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: A lot of people have brought up the name Jesse Minterter, 117 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: who Bearcat fans certainly are familiar with the mentor name. Well, 118 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: he's still dealing with the show calls penalty from the 119 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: Harball era that doesn't expire at least until April, so 120 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: you're not going to hire that guy. Harball is serving 121 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: a show cause penalty for a previous infraction. He hasn't 122 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 3: even started serving his show cause penalty from the Connor 123 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: Stallion situation, So it's not like you can go and 124 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: get Jim Harball and try to bring him back. What 125 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 3: about his brother? He might be available, but do you 126 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: really want that to happen again? There is just there 127 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: are so many layers to this story, and it's fascinating. 128 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 3: It's sad, it's disturbing, but I don't know that I 129 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: would list any of it as surprising. Considering the culture 130 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: and the people at the University of Michigan it is. 131 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot to watch, and again, 132 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: it's hard in these early stages to separate what is 133 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: assumption and what is actual fact. 134 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: I do want to do clear one thing up because 135 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: I've seen this a lot a lot of people, and 136 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: I know you just kind of nodded to it as well. 137 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: Is the idea of Michigan holding out on these guys 138 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: until National Signing Day the way that it was reported 139 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: by Tony Garcia is they didn't know that they had 140 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: all the stuff to be able to fire him once 141 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 3: National Signing Day happened, And now that he's been released, 142 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: everybody in the program has a fifteen day window that 143 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 3: they can enter the transfer portal and have no issues 144 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: for doing so. That is at least a good thing 145 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: that is built into college football is that if a 146 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: coach leaves, you got fifteen you got a fifteen day 147 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: head start on the transfer portal if you want to 148 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: get out of there. So it's actually going to overlap 149 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: with the portal that opens up in early nearly overlap 150 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: with the portal that opens up in early January. 151 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. So there is there's an awful lot going on 152 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: around Michigan football and it will it'll be fascinating to 153 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: kind of see going forward how this all plays itself out. Now, 154 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: the other major news that is happening is what Joe 155 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Burrow had to say yesterday, and we'll dive into Joe 156 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: Burrow's comments in just a few moments. There was some 157 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: other talking points from Jeremy Fowler yesterday at ESPN dot 158 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: com and it was in large part due to Al 159 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: Golden and will he get a second year I don't 160 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: know if you saw these quotes, Austoin, but I have to. 161 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: I wrote this down immediately to ask you. Jeremy Fowler said, yes, 162 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what the Bengals do on defense. 163 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: Do they give Al Golden a second year or are 164 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: we looking at another scheme change. This is what got me. 165 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: The way they feel their linebackers have improved as the 166 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: season has progressed, makes me think they'll run it back 167 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: with Golden and as players he thinks fit the system. 168 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: Are we at the point where and I know we 169 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: talked about Dimitris Night getting better, do you view the 170 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: linebackers rooms as set for the future? 171 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: No, I don't know that there's anybody that is set 172 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: for the future. We've had that conversation multiple times this season. 173 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: I think the when you look at the idea of 174 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: the linebackers improving, it was they missed less tackles. It 175 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily that they were doing the right things in coverage, 176 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: that they were blitzing better, that they were stopping the 177 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: run more as much as it was they were better tacklers, 178 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: and that in and of itself had an improvement on 179 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: the defense. But there's still a whole lot of other 180 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: stuff that has to get better. Yeah, and I don't 181 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: think Al Golden should be I don't think he should return. 182 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: And if that quote, you know that what he said is, 183 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: you know, get players that fit his system. Well, what 184 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: the hell have we been doing for the last twelve month. 185 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: That's what we just did. We fired lou in a 186 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: rumo and hired this guy and gutted the defense and 187 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: brought in all his dudes. 188 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 1: They stink. And he's the lineman he was, he was 189 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: a linebacker coach. Yeah, and it's a three linebackers. Immediately 190 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: left as soon as he got here. That's interesting. Oh man, one. 191 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: On one Jeremiah Smith third down the National Championship game. 192 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was all I needed to see. Yep, it 193 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: was all I needed to see. I don't believe in 194 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: Al Golden. And then I wanted to clear this up 195 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: before we dive into the Joe Burrow conversation. When we 196 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: get back. There are again conversations happening nationally now about 197 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and his future in Cincinnati and what the 198 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: organization has and hasn't done. And the organization is not 199 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: without fault here, but Dan o'lofky threw something out there 200 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: a couple hours ago Austin, and it's that here's where 201 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: Cincinnati has ranked in past pro win rate during Joe 202 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: Burrow's career twenty ninth and twenty twenty thirtieth and twenty 203 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: twenty one, thirtieth and twenty twenty two, twenty seventh and 204 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: twenty three, thirty second and twenty twenty four, and right 205 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: now in twenty twenty five they ranked twenty eighth. And 206 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: I know that sometimes we just get caught up in 207 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: numbers and stats. This offensive line over the past weeks, 208 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: I thought has taken a step forward, and I just 209 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: wanted to put that out there because the narrative is 210 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: going to be providing around Joe Burrow. That's what we're 211 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about when we get back. I'm sure. 212 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: I just wanted to set that straight though, because there's 213 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of narratives out there. And 214 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I get it the past protection win rate, that is 215 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: a huge stat when it comes to a quarterback. But 216 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: I feel like, and I wanted to put this out 217 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: there for the offensive line that this version of the 218 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: offensive line has been much improved than what Joe Burrow 219 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: has had throughout his career. 220 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: If we want to talk about quotes from Joe Burrow's 221 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: press conference yesterday, one of them is, this is the 222 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: best offensive line I have had since I've been in 223 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: the NFL. Right, that is something he said, and I 224 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: think that is something just about all of us would 225 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 3: agree with. So instead of cherry picking this and that 226 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: and what he said or what he might mean, or 227 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 3: trying to speculate what's going on in his life, one 228 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: thing you can take from what he said was this 229 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: is the best offensive line that I've played with. 230 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: Correct. Outside of that, there's a lot wrapped up in 231 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: what Joe Burrow had to say yesterday. We will respond 232 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: to that after we play you the audio when we 233 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: return on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 234 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: Hey Alexa in the NATI brought to you by Hey 235 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: during Window Company on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home. 236 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Of the Cincinnati Bengals. All Right, welcome back, it is 237 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: football in the NATI. Let's dive into the major story 238 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: from yesterday, and that was Joe Burrow's press conference. Outside 239 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: of talking about Pokemon, which I thoroughly enjoyed, and I 240 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: hope Jeremy Row has now got himself privy to the 241 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: Pokemon world, which he was trying to do yesterday, as 242 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was explaining what his offensive lineman had gifted him. 243 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: It was a comment that Joe Burrow made that I 244 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: think has caught now the eye and in the year 245 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: nationally of folks that follow the National Football League. Let's 246 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: just start with the comment itself, Austin, and then we'll 247 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: follow up with what Dan Orlovsky said about it today, 248 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: and then we'll react to it. But this is uh, 249 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: this is Joe Burrow in his weekly press conference on 250 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: his twenty ninth birthday yesterday. 251 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: No, it certainly doesn't change my desire to win. You know, 252 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 4: if I want to I want to keep doing this, 253 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 4: I have to have fun doing it. You know, I've 254 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 4: been through a lot, and if it's not fun, then 255 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: what am I doing it for. So's the mindset I'm 256 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: trying to bring to the table. 257 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: How much are you having right now? It's difficult to 258 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: have fun given the season, what you've been through physically, emotionally, 259 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: all of it. Is it tough? 260 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 5: Yeah? 261 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Certainly did you have fun playing? 262 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 6: What do you I mean? 263 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: How much of it was fun before? E Wing's always fun? 264 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: But in general, Was it fun before you got hurt? 265 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: Did you view it that way least? 266 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say I have viewed 267 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 4: it that way. 268 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 7: I think. 269 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: What was the changing point? 270 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 6: Changing point? 271 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. 272 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: I'm not sure there was a a singular moment or time. 273 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 4: It's just a reflection, reflection on a lot of things 274 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 4: that I've done and been through. 275 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 5: In my career. 276 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: I think I've been through more than most and it's 277 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: certainly not easy on the the brain or the body. 278 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: So h it's trying. 279 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 4: If I'm doing it again, see if you've seen like 280 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: there's something on your mind. 281 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed frustrated. 282 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 4: There's a lot of things going on right now, a 283 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: lot of things going. 284 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: On right now, all related personally. 285 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: All good booth. 286 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: Okay, let's stop there for a second and let's react 287 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: to this now. 288 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 8: One. 289 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: It's relatable from Joe Burrow that last part there, that 290 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on football related, not 291 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: football related, and I think we lose sight of that 292 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: sometimes when we follow athletes and superstars, that you view 293 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: them as just the football player, when in reality, they 294 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: go through issues in their life just like everybody else does. 295 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: Whether that's family, friends, whether it's personal issues. There are 296 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: issues in place in everyone's life, and how you deal 297 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: with those issues can weigh on you in a lot 298 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: of different ways. Secondly, Joe Burrow mentioned the phrase brain 299 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: and body, not just about how his body feels or hurts, 300 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: but the mental side of the game. And what I 301 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: thought was interesting when he started that conversation is he 302 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: used the word if if I want to keep doing this, 303 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: I have to have fun. And again, I think Joe 304 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: Burrow is one of the most calculated people I've ever followed. 305 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me because before this came out 306 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: yesterday and we joke back and forth with our guy, 307 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: James Repeine a lot, but James Repine yesterday Yesterday Morning 308 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: for Cincinnati Bengals on SI wrote Joe Burrow's birthday as 309 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: a harsh reminder of the bengals ongoing failures. Yesterday, Joe 310 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: Burrow turned twenty nine years old. It's his sixth season 311 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: already in the National Football League, and James in his 312 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: article the point was the clock is ticking. You're one 313 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: loss away from missing the playoffs for a third straight year. 314 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: Even if you win the final games, you got a 315 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: twenty seven percent chance of getting in. The Bengals have 316 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: a ton of issues, and right now they feel as 317 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: far away from the super Bowl window as I have 318 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: felt they've been in the Joe Burrow era. It's not acceptable. Now. 319 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: One would argue they signed Jamar Chase, they signed T Higgins, 320 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: they did what Joe wanted to That's also true, and 321 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: there's a point to that. But I listened to a 322 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: guy yesterday and the phrase, if I want to keep 323 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: doing it, I have to have fun. I listened to 324 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: a player who has gone through a multitude of major 325 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: injuries and different injuries, and when he said it affects 326 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: the brain and the body, that stood out to me 327 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: on a much smaller, smaller, smaller scale. I related. I 328 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: related going through a major injury in two thousand and 329 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: eight and then going through a major injury in two 330 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, And oftentimes when we've talked about this, Austin, 331 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: I have talked about that the physical side, to me 332 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: was easier than the mental side, the mental hurdles that 333 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: you have to jump through, knowing what you have to 334 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: go through, knowing where you're trying to get to. They 335 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: are exhausting and they weigh you down completely. Do I 336 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: think Joe Burrow would walk away from football? Not right now. 337 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: Do I think Joe Burrow would go in and bang 338 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: his fist on the table and say trade me. I 339 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: want out of here. No, I don't. I genuinely don't, 340 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: and I genuinely don't think that Joe Burrow would would 341 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: give this up and walk away. Here's what I do know. 342 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow would not just run up to a podium 343 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: and just start speaking randomly. Joe Burrow is as calculated 344 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: as it comes. Yesterday was his birthday, another year older, 345 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: and what feels like another lost year in the National 346 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: Football League, another year where he's dealt with a major injury, 347 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: another year where the defense isn't going to be enough 348 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: to help this team commit and and try to win 349 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. I think, more than anything, yesterday was 350 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: the latest in Joe Burrow's calculated efforts to say, listen, 351 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: what's happening right now? It ain't good enough. I don't 352 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: know if it was genuinely necessarily a shot at Zach Taylor. 353 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a shot at Duke Tobin. 354 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 1: I don't know who it was a shot at. What 355 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: I do know is you got one of the most 356 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: competitive people on the planet who has gone through agonizing 357 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: mental and physical hurdles throughout his career. They are far 358 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: away from a Super Bowl contender. That's what means the 359 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: most to Joe Burrow. Yesterday I felt was a calculated 360 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: effort from Joe Burrow to say, listen, this isn't good 361 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: enough and it has to be fixed. I don't think 362 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: it goes further than that. As I said, I don't 363 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: think he requests a trade. I don't think he quits football. 364 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: But it was calculated and to me, it's him pounding 365 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: on the table and saying this isn't good enough, get 366 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: it fixed. And I think that it correlates on his birthday. 367 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: I think that all is for purpose. Austin, what was 368 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: your take? I disagree with that. I think the guy 369 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: had a bad day. That was the vibe that I 370 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: got from him. 371 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously he lightened up a little bit when 372 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: they talked about Pokemon at the end. But if you 373 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 3: mean you outline the myriad of reasons they're not winning, 374 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: they're no longer really playing competitive football. Maybe that reality 375 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: is starting to set in with him that here we 376 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: go again another year without being able to achieve my 377 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 3: ultimate goal, which is to be able to win a 378 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: Super Bowl. I've been dealing with this injury and the 379 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 3: rehab and all that stuff is difficult. I just turned 380 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: twenty nine. I don't know about you, but I'm always 381 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: pretty reflective about my life on my birthdays. Hell, I 382 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: was freaking out all summer long about turning thirty and 383 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 3: what that was meant for me and what I had 384 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: to show for it and all this other stuff. And 385 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: I was trying to figure that out. And you know, 386 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: Joe feels, I'm sure a lot more pressure than I 387 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 3: do for a guy who makes as much money as 388 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 3: he does and be in the face of the franchise. 389 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: And it just felt like to me, in watching every 390 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 3: single one of these press conferences that I Watchason every week, 391 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: every time he talks, look like a dude who is 392 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: having a bad day, look like a dude who is irritable. 393 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: At the beginning of the press conference, there was like 394 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 3: a minute that goes by. He answers a couple questions, 395 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: and there's this long pause where nobody's asking him questions, 396 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: and so he gets up and leaves Okay, thanks guys. 397 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: A couple of minutes later he comes back. That's abnormal behavior. 398 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: I think that's a dude who is impatient and having 399 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: a day, having a bad day, and who knows what's 400 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 3: going on in his personal life. We talk often about 401 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: seasonal depression. We talk about, you know, maybe not seeing 402 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 3: your family as much, trying to get through the grind 403 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: of getting back into it. There's a number of different 404 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: things that could be going on with him personally. I 405 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: don't think that yesterday was sending a message to the Bengals. Now, 406 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 3: if it is, okay, I think it's the only way 407 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 3: to do it, that's fine too. But in the past 408 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: he's been very direct about it. He's been very open 409 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: about it. This was just somebody who didn't, to me, 410 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: want to be there talking to the media again on 411 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 3: a Wednesday, but especially when you're essentially eliminated from playoffs. 412 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: But if he's that directed normally, if he says, if 413 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: I want to keep doing this, that to me is direct. 414 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: That to me is not just you know, hey, I'm 415 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: having a bad day. I've got some things going on 416 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: a lot of different things football and non football related. 417 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: That's fine. When tregs asked that question and Joe said, yeah, 418 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: there's just a lot going on. I get that. I 419 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: lived that on a DAILI er weekly basis. The comments 420 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: to me were about the brain and body, and the 421 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: comment to me and I thought the keyword was if look, 422 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: if I want to keep doing this, I got to 423 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: start having some fun. 424 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: He's also been very open about his football mortality and 425 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: the injuries. 426 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: And no one has fun losing. 427 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 3: I do think if you rewind a week or two 428 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: to the Thanksgiving game, where you could tell he was emotional, 429 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 3: I think that is maybe another indicator of of just 430 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: the fact that he has a lot going on in 431 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: his life, football and non football. I get what you're saying, 432 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: and I think that's a fair point. And the other 433 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 3: thing that the media immediately runs to is Andrew Luck 434 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 3: and how he walked away from football after having similar issues. Now, 435 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: I don't think Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow are cut 436 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 3: from the same cloth. I don't think they're the same personality. 437 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: I don't think they have the same values. I don't 438 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: think those two guys are similar at all. And I 439 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: don't think Joe Burrow would walk away from football. But 440 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: I do think that the threat of Andrew Luck is 441 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 3: a good thing because if it's always possible that your 442 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 3: star quarterback can walk away from the game like Andrew 443 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: Luck did, then it should be a constant reminder, not 444 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 3: just a birthday where a guy turns twenty nine, or 445 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 3: not just a press conference where he's clearly not feeling it, 446 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: but the idea that this has happened before and wouldn't 447 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 3: be the first time, and there have been disputes between 448 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: quarterbacks and the Bengals ownership and quarterbacks in the past 449 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 3: should be a reminder that says, Okay, this is really possible. 450 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 3: And the fact that as soon as we get to 451 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 3: this point, the national media runs through two paths. Number one, 452 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: the Bengals are gonna kill him, or number two, he's 453 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: gonna walk away like Andrew Luck. 454 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that. 455 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: The way I'm the point I'm trying to make is 456 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: it is a good thing for when this stuff happens, 457 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: that the Bengals have their noses rubbed in it to 458 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: be reminded of how you should be taking care of 459 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 3: your quarterback. And I think with Carson Palmer it was 460 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: a lack of effort, a fundamental lack of effort by 461 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 3: Mike Brown and the Brown family with Joe Burrow, I 462 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 3: think it's been a fundamental failure in the execution of 463 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: that effort. Those two things are different. 464 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of folks in life and 465 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: maybe not I certainly can do it, that can understand 466 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: having something you enjoy to do so dearly and having 467 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: the joy sucked out of it. Absolutely, And to me 468 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: yesterday it felt kind of dark. It felt like a 469 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: player who again is not having as much fun as 470 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: he wanted to. Why Because I think on the outside, 471 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: I think if you have the truth, Sam, you asked 472 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: Joe how close you are Super Bowl? I don't think 473 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: he feels like they're close right now. And for a 474 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: quarterback who again, you talk about your football mortality, you 475 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: talk about how many years, how many injuries can you 476 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: go through, how many more times can you rehab the 477 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: physical and mental side of a major injury and fight back, 478 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,239 Speaker 1: and how many opportunities you get going forward. That's what 479 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: I thought that was yesterday, And whether it was calculated 480 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: or not calculated from Joe Burrow yesterday, my point of 481 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: view was that it was austin. Your point of view 482 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: was that it was not. If I'm the Bengals. I 483 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: have to operate as if it was calculated. I have 484 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: to operate as you know what, that's a guy who's 485 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: not enjoying what he's doing right now, and it's our 486 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: job as an organization to make sure we get this right. 487 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: Whether it was purposeful or not from Joe Burrow. The 488 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Bengals reaction should be the same. Here's where this gets 489 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: crazy is because this now becomes the national reaction. Do 490 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: we have the Dan Orlofsky audio from Unsportsmen like today 491 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: we do? This is now from those comments yesterday, this 492 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: is now what the comments are nationally going forward today. 493 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: This is Dan Orlofski with Evan Cohen on on Sportsman 494 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: Like earlier this morning. 495 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 9: Dan, would it shock you if Joe Burrow after this 496 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 9: season retired? 497 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: It would shock me if he retired. 498 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 7: Yes, obviously there's a lot of similarities here to Andrew Luck. 499 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 7: It would shock me if three teams weren't on the 500 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 7: phone today after what he said yesterday figuring out how 501 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 7: do we make him part of our football team now, 502 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 7: three months from now, six months from now, a year 503 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 7: from now. He obviously is in a bad place with 504 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 7: that organization. It's not surprising, but I would be very 505 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 7: surprised if he chose not. 506 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: To play football. 507 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 9: Are three teams you're saying offhanded? Or do you have 508 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 9: three teams in mind? I have three in mind, care 509 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 9: to share? Jets, Raiders, Steelers. Oh, those would be. 510 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 7: The three that if I were those three organizations. I'm 511 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 7: in a brainstorm meeting now. We are figuring out a 512 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 7: way to propose a way to get Joe Burrow, and 513 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 7: I don't necessarily care what it takes. 514 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: Neither would I, And I'm Joe Burrow is okay, We're 515 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: good at that point. So here's my thing, Austin, Like 516 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: I get the initial part of Orlovsky's conversation, what I 517 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 1: disagree with is if one the Bengals would never no 518 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: matter what the Steelers sent, they would never move Joe 519 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: Burrow in the division. They would never move Joe Burrow 520 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: at all. But if Joe Burrow is not happy with 521 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: the trajectory of the organization right now and is worried 522 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: about football mortality and all these other things, do you 523 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: think that going to the Jets or the Raiders would 524 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: make him happy. Those are two of the worst teams 525 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: right now in the NFL. 526 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: The Bengals are so much better run and either of 527 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 3: those two franchises. It's not even. 528 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: Those three teams to me are outlandish. 529 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: Yes, I think I think the Bengals are a better 530 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 3: run franchise than the Pittsburgh Steelers too, by the way, Yeah, 531 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: I mean just the results of the last fifteen years 532 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: will pretty much tell you that. 533 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: Like, I don't. 534 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: I thought that was a misinformed and foolish take by 535 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: Dan Orlovski. And I never say that about him, which 536 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: that's the only thing that concerns me. I don't. 537 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: He's so plugged in, and he's so smart with so 538 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: much of what he says. I don't think. 539 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: I don't believe him when he says that Joe Burrow 540 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: is obviously in a bad place with this organization. 541 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: Why say obviously then if you don't know anything exactly. 542 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: That's what I don't agree with. What have what? What has 543 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow done to make it obvious? Well, we're not 544 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: going to yesterday. Those guys would know. 545 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: More than we do. 546 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: Maybe, but like, if you're using obviously, then you're putting 547 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 3: it out there that clearly everyone sees this. I don't 548 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: see it that way. Joe had a bad press conference yesterday. 549 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that he's obviously unhappy or in a 550 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: bad place with the organization. I do think he likes 551 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: Zach Taylor. I think he has a good relationship with 552 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 3: Zach Taylor. I don't know that that means Zach Taylor's 553 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: going to be the head coach moving forward. Well, let 554 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: me ask you one thing on that. I like Wes 555 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: Miller a lot. M Does that mean Wes Miller should 556 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: be the coach? No, but Wes Killer Joan likes Joe. 557 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: If Joe Burrow likes Zach Taylor, that's one thing. 558 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: Sure. Does Joe think they can win a Super Bowl 559 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: with Zach Taylor's what? I think the ultimate question would be, yeah. 560 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: I would love to know the answer to that, But 561 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: clearly there is something about those two that have worked 562 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: for Joe's career. Joe is developed into one of the 563 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 3: best quarterbacks, if not the best, in the National Football League, 564 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: So there's something there. Wes Miller has done nothing. 565 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: Do you think that's handing him with zachary Y. 566 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 5: Why? 567 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure that's a large part of it. But we 568 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: can't just ignore quarterback coaches quarterback and coach relationships. We 569 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 3: can't pick and choose when we know add guys to 570 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: that equation. We talk about Mahomes. Mahomes is great, right, 571 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: But what do you always talk about Andy Reid as well? 572 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, and that's where we're different because I've 573 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: never been on that with Zach Taylor. 574 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: I've never said, you know, nobody's ever said that Zach 575 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: Taylor is in the same conversation as Andy Reid. But like, clearly, 576 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 3: based off of the performance that he put together last 577 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: season and the way that they have found ways to 578 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: win in the past, there is a relationship that works there. Now, 579 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 3: does Joe agree with some of the decisions Zach has made, 580 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: like firing lou Ana Rumo, like hiring certain coaches? Is 581 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: Joe probably tired of the Trey Hendrickson situation and ownership? Sure, 582 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 3: I'm sure there are plenty of things to be upset about. 583 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 3: We are all upset about them every day we talk 584 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 3: about him. But I don't know that we should be 585 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 3: so dismissive of Zach Taylor and that he's the problem. 586 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's perfect, I'm not saying he's not 587 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: without blame. He certainly deserves a lot of it. Hell, 588 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 3: I've called for him to be fired earlier this year. 589 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: But I don't know that it's like, oh, this is 590 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: all Zach Taylor's fault. No, I don't think all. And 591 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: I think Zach's a great guy. I don't know if 592 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 3: that relationship and we talk about that, we don't know 593 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 3: anything about that relationship, right. 594 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: And we don't know anything about how Daniel said obviously, 595 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: So you can't. You can't on one hand assume and say, 596 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: well that's assuming Orlowsky says that, but then also say 597 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: that Burrow and Zach Taylor have a perfect relationship behind 598 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: closed doors. Yeah. No, there's no such thing as a 599 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: perfect Yeah, there's no quarterback that's ever going to come 600 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: out nationally in bash. Sure their guy. No matter what 601 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: I thought of Brian Kelly, I was never going to 602 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: come out in the media session in bash him say 603 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: everything's great. 604 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 3: Also, we've seen Joe at times in the past go 605 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: out of his way to compliment. 606 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: And we've seen frustration during games towards that. That's what happens. 607 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: So the game, there's a lot we have to take 608 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: a break because we are desperately late. We'll get back 609 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: on the clock. Your phone calls are absolutely welcome today 610 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: to weigh in on this conversation. I think it's a 611 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: fantastic conversation. It's fascinating to me from a very calculated quarterback. 612 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: More national takes that are going to continue to happen. 613 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: We'll get John Shearon's take on it as well. All 614 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: going forward, since he three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty 615 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports Station. 616 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN 617 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 618 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: Hum, welcome back. It is since he three to sixty 619 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, thanks to Skyline Chile. 620 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: Real quick here and then we will get to some 621 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: of your phone calls on this conversation as well. Let's 622 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: close it out with this, Austin. I know what we 623 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: played on what Dan Orlovsky had to say on sportsman 624 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: Like Today, but this was a clip on ESPN's Get 625 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: Up earlier this morning. This is Adam Schefter again, think 626 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: what you want. I think Adam Schefter is a pretty 627 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: plugged in guy around the National Football League when it 628 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: comes to the happenings and the ins and outs. This 629 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: is Adam Schefter and a little dan Orlovsky to round 630 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: out what they had to say about Joe Burrow. Maybe 631 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: maybe see if it'll work. Chefty, What did you take 632 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: away from that? A lot. 633 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 10: That's a contemplative, reflective, thoughtful Joe Burrow, who still is 634 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 10: processing where he's at this season and how he wants 635 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 10: to proceed. The courter is, if I want to keep 636 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 10: doing this, I have to have fun doing that. If 637 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 10: you're raising that question at the end of the year, 638 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 10: then there is a major issue going on in his 639 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 10: mind and with that organization. And if we look at 640 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 10: the punishment that he's taken over the years, it rivals 641 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 10: that of just about any quarterback. He's been pummeled. I 642 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 10: would think he probably hasn't felt supported. The offensive line 643 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 10: has not protected him, the defense has failed him, the 644 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 10: personnel has not been good around him. And it is 645 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 10: within Joe Burrow's right to say and do whatever he wants. 646 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 10: He will have a huge say in whether he wants 647 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 10: to keep playing, whether he wants to keep playing in Cincinnati. 648 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 10: I can tell you this. There are other teams around 649 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 10: the league that took notice of that yesterday. So we're 650 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 10: talking about all the Sharks circling around the Michigan football players. 651 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 10: I can tell you this, all these teams around the 652 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 10: league are paying attention to what Joe Burrow said yesterday. 653 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 7: It's the beginning of the end for Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. 654 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: Okay, that's the organization or actually just goes on to 655 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: list the teams again that he talked about. I think 656 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: some is true, some is not. I think this team 657 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: has listened to Joe Burrow. They signed Jamar Chase and 658 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: T Higgins, and I think they have taken a very 659 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: positive step on the offensive line. I think the conversation 660 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: that the personnel and the defense around him has not 661 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: been good enough. And I think Austin ech goes handing 662 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: him with things we've talked about all year about Duke 663 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: Tobin and how this team has put together and what 664 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: they're doing on the defensive side of the ball. I 665 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: do think the Bengals have been supportive of Joe, but 666 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: I do agree with Schefty that when he talks, it's contemplative, 667 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: it's thoughtful, and in my opinion, it's for a reason 668 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: when he says those things. 669 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 3: Adam Schefter very rarely has been right when he's reported 670 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 3: about the Bengals. He is a lot of Bengals fans 671 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 3: don't like Schefter because it seems like that's one of 672 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 3: the teams where he's never been really dug in and 673 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 3: is able to get much out of. So me personally, 674 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 3: I don't put a ton of weight into what Schefter 675 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 3: says about the Bengals, but I think it's fair to 676 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: come to that conclusion based off of what you said. 677 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 3: I don't think any of these thoughts are other than 678 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 3: Orlovsky dropping those three teams. I don't think any of 679 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 3: those thoughts are unfair, just based off what you saw 680 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 3: and what we've seen in the past. I totally get 681 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: how you can get to that point. I would push 682 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 3: back on not feeling supported to your point. They just 683 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 3: did everything that they've asked him to do. They fixed 684 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 3: the offensive line, they kept Trey Hendrickson, they got Higgins, 685 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 3: they got Gasicki, they got Chase. They've invested heavily in 686 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 3: the offensive line. They have failed on the defense. And 687 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 3: his injuries that I've outlined in the past, most of 688 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 3: them are just bad luck. The knee injury his rookie 689 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 3: year was because of how bad the offensive line was. 690 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,959 Speaker 3: The tow injury this year I think was bad luck. 691 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 3: The calf string can happen to anybody. Victor wimbinin Win, 692 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 3: Ben Yamas missed twenty games or whatever it is because 693 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 3: of a calf string happens all the time. Appendec to me, 694 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior just did the same thing. The injuries 695 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 3: that he have suffered has suffered to me, have not 696 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 3: been because oh the offensive line or because the organization 697 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 3: hasn't supported him. It's been bad luck more than anything else. Yeah, 698 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 3: this all coincides. Twenty twenty six is Zach Taylor's contract year. 699 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 3: There's a lot of speculation and conversation around Zach Taylor 700 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 3: that has come up because of Joe Burrow's comments. All 701 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 3: stuff that we'll get to when we come back a 702 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 3: moment or two for your phone calls and your reaction 703 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 3: to what we heard from Joe Burrow yesterday. That will 704 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 3: take us to John Sharon from Azy Sports starting at 705 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 3: one o'clock right here on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports. 706 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 8: Station WCKY, Cincinnati, and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed Human ESPN fifteen 707 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 8: thirty I Heard Radio. 708 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: From the Baker Heating Tempstar Weather Center. Here's your forecast. 709 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: This report is sponsored by all states. Some people just sport. 710 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: All right, we'll take that as our wind Scheeler's call tonight. 711 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: Thanks to all friends of wind Shoulers. There are four 712 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: fantastic chief spreads. Make it a must for your next 713 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: holiday get together. Let's grab a couple of phone calls 714 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: before we break and get to John Sheer and Chad 715 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: is calling in right now. Hi, Chad. 716 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 5: I think that he made a quick point. Joe Burd 717 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 5: doesn't say nothing less calculated. I don't think he's going anywhere, 718 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 5: but I do think he had the saying this to 719 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 5: you know that he wants Shans made. The thing I 720 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 5: wanted to bring up is something you brought that He said, 721 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 5: what was this offensive line finish at the end of 722 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 5: this year? Probably what twenty fourth, maybe twenty six and 723 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 5: something that range about is that right? Probably in that. 724 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: Range somewhere around there. 725 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 5: Him saying that, so he was saying, this is the 726 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 5: best offensive line he had, And I think that's the 727 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 5: Teles goal right there. That's the best that he could give. 728 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,720 Speaker 5: Is in the bottom quarter of the league in stats 729 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 5: for an offensive line. I think that's the lot of 730 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 5: the problem. 731 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very fair conversation. Chad, thank you for 732 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: calling in. I do I think their sincerity though, when 733 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: when he talks about the old line this year. Now, 734 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: I also understand that the bar was not set very 735 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: high in any of the previous years. So to say 736 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: this is the best offensive line, that can mean yes, 737 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: it is the best old line, but they still need 738 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: to take strides to get better. I think both of 739 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: those things can absolutely be true. Brian, what's going on? 740 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 6: Oh? Not too much? How are you doing, Tony? How 741 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 6: you doing Austin? 742 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: Good? 743 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 6: Good? So I listened to the interview. My my feeling 744 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 6: is an organization is that they need to just sit 745 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 6: down with Joe and not not with, not with, not 746 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 6: with anybody ownership and Joe because he's the key to 747 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 6: our success. If I had a salesperson or someone that 748 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 6: my whole business success was because of him, I'm like, 749 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 6: what would he do first off to make you happy 750 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 6: at work? Because this really we need them, We need Joe. 751 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 6: He's gonna wear Super Bowl with someone I wonder do. 752 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 6: The bank was very very badly and they just have 753 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 6: to you know, also own up to you, you know, 754 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 6: mistakes of an organization, like the drafting has to get better. 755 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 6: They have to have a plan about what doing to 756 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 6: do differently to make Joe happy, because if Joe's happy, 757 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 6: that means we're winning. If we're winning, that means everybody's happy. 758 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 6: And I just think it really has to be a 759 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 6: very high level conversation with Joe because you know, it 760 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 6: might not have been a sign to intentional, but it 761 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 6: absolutely should be a necessary heard loud and clear by 762 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 6: the front office of the organization. 763 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian, thank you for the phone call. I agree, 764 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: if anything, And again, whether you take this as more 765 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: of of kind of how Austin sees that which I 766 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: can see, or how I see it, regardless of how 767 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: you take it. As an organization, your goal should always 768 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: be trying to make everything better. Your goal should always 769 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: trying to be building around your quarterback, and especially a 770 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,840 Speaker 1: quarterback at the level of what Joe Burrow is. So again, 771 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the way Austin uses the phrase oftentimes, 772 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,959 Speaker 1: the constant pursuit of a championship. If you're not trying 773 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: to win a championship, then what's the point, especially when 774 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: you do have a quarterback like Joe Burrow. So no, 775 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: do I think the team should have to be nudged 776 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: in a certain way. No, that should already be the model. 777 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: But if Joe Burrow's comments do nudge them in a 778 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: direction that pays off, then good. Then then things work 779 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 1: out even better. 780 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 3: Whether or not the way you see it is true 781 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,200 Speaker 3: or the way I see it as true. If the 782 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 3: outcome is that the people in charge have a better 783 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 3: understanding of what their quarterback is going through and how 784 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 3: to fix it, that's the ultimate goal. 785 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, so if you sit down with Joe Burrow, great, 786 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: do that and do it separative Zach Taylor, do it 787 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: separative of Duketobin Say, Okay, that's just us talking. You 788 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: tell us what you think. No one else is in 789 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: the room, and go from there. And I'm sure that happens. 790 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: And I also should would like to say to Joe, 791 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate that transparency. Yeah, I appreciate him being upfront 792 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,200 Speaker 1: about that and about how he's feeling. Doesn't have to 793 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: do that and the reaction to it might lead to 794 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: him never doing it again because of the way that 795 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,399 Speaker 1: this is being talked about. 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