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Speaker 2: Seven nine. It's Wednesday, and a happy one to you.

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Speaker 2: After the top of the air news suffering the slings

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Speaker 2: and arrows of outrage from Donald Trump, Congressman Thomas Massey,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about his latest anti Massy treat Where in

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Speaker 2: the hell are the Epstein documents? That's a good question

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Speaker 2: for Massy government shutdown coming your way. Compliments of the

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Speaker 2: Democrats wanting to defund ice. Yeah, that's the thing. Plus

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Speaker 2: maybe a common or two about Venezuela in Iran. But

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, welcome back to the fifty five KRCY

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Speaker 2: Mornings from America from Americans for Prosperity. Donovan O'Neil, it's

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Speaker 2: always a pleasure to have in you on the show,

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Speaker 2: Donovan Brian, Happy Wednesday to you. I'm happy you bringing

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Speaker 2: up the topic today that you want to bring about,

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Speaker 2: the affordability argument. Democrats have just a couple of things

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Speaker 2: to hang their hat on as we move toward election.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the anti Ice and their immigration policy standpoint.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if that's going to benefit them or not.

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Speaker 2: I know the anti Ice rhetoric is getting hotter and

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Speaker 2: every day, but it seems to me based on prior pulling.

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Speaker 2: The vast majority of Americans are happy to get rid

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Speaker 2: of murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, illegal immigrants, most

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Speaker 2: notably with criminal records representing a danger to society. Most

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Speaker 2: people want them out. So will the Democrats be able

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Speaker 2: to win on that anti Ice strategy remains to be seen.

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Speaker 2: The other one, of course, subsidies for Obamacare, which doesn't

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Speaker 2: fix the problem of the expense of healthcare. Will that

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Speaker 2: work for him? Don't know. But the third one that

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Speaker 2: I can come up with, other than just Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: evil orange man, the affordability argument. Everything's unaffordable. You know

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Speaker 2: this overlooks at least the initial argument is disingenuous because well,

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Speaker 2: of course, Joe Biden's responsible for a large portion of

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Speaker 2: the massive increase in prices of goods and services we face,

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Speaker 2: because he's the one that threw an initial eight or

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Speaker 2: down the value of the currency. So moving aside from that,

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Speaker 2: they're the ones that put in all kinds of rules

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Speaker 2: the roof environmental regulations which increase the cost of electricity,

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Speaker 2: housing restrictions, water flow restrictions, Lord Almighty, I could go

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Speaker 2: on for hours and hours about things that politicians due

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Speaker 2: to us, Donovan, which increase the cost of living in

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Speaker 2: our world, which would not have happened in normal economic

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Speaker 2: factor situations. I used the price of eggs earlier. Sorry

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Speaker 2: for the rant, Donovan, but I'm a little hot into

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Speaker 2: the collar on this one. You can't control the price

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Speaker 2: of eggs unless you somehow get involved with environmental regulations

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Speaker 2: or rules about egg production, et cetera, et cetera. If

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Speaker 2: you got bird flu and the chickens die, the price

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Speaker 2: of eggs is going to go up. So there's no

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Speaker 2: legislative solution for that. But most everything else people are

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Speaker 2: complaining about, it's a self inflicted wound from overly zealous regulators,

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Speaker 2: people who want to get rid of plant food from

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Speaker 2: the environment. I could go on and on, Donovan, how

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Speaker 2: that these are self inflicted wounds, And well, our politicians

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Speaker 2: and elected officials could easily relieve the burden of all

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Speaker 1: Well, I share the UH. I share the sentiment on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday morning. It is rantworthy because you just kind

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Speaker 1: we in this situation? You know, Chuck Schumer, Center Schumer,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi Democrats. We've noticed they've started an uptick in

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Speaker 1: talking about things to the lens of affordability. And you

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Speaker 1: look at that and you say, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: You are the fools.

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Speaker 1: Who, you know, over the Biden Economy Eras era enacted

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Speaker 1: five point five trillion in new spending that pushed us

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Speaker 1: up to forty year record high inflation. You're the same

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Speaker 1: folks who believe that top down government policies on emission

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Speaker 2: Well and in the economic reality of all this is

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Speaker 2: a billiona Moore. Why because they all the billionaires started

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Speaker 2: And now they've got this bounty on their heads taking

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Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster. As Governor Newsom is finding out,

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Speaker 1: Well, and just look at the Obamacare debacle in this

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Speaker 1: What we really want though, and I think what voters

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Speaker 1: I think what voters are going to reward are bold

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Speaker 1: these things. We have to actually communicate with voters that hey, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well at free market lead, but also don't mask the

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Speaker 2: with the outrageous increase in the cost of medicine. Why

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Speaker 2: If you do that, it's still a solution that goes

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Speaker 2: times call for desperate actions. But you know, this affordability

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Speaker 2: Sorry to rant and unload on you at the end

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Speaker 1: Well, No, I think what you're pointing out there, right is,

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Speaker 1: It's it's natural human nature right to say, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, looking at the environ mental

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Speaker 1: Well in, subsidies drive up the costs. You know, one

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Speaker 2: You know the funny part about that, DATAVA is, in

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Speaker 2: spite of the subsidies, all the automobile manufacturers were losing money,

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Speaker 1: It's the lunacy of top down control right with folks

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Speaker 1: It's the trust the experts. Brian, Where have we been

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Speaker 2: We've heard that before. Trust the yea have ye for

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Speaker 2: they don't use that anymore. Dot of It or Neil

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Speaker 2: AFP Call to action for our listeners, how can they

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Speaker 2: Donov and Neil, thanks for everything you're doing. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: That's going to be fun, and I will ask him

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