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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 1: The Broncos are winning. The people are are upset about

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Speaker 1: doesn't look pretty, it's not dominant. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to win in this league. I know that

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Speaker 2: Man, I can tell you what does look dominant. That

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Speaker 2: matter what people saying, what people got to understand is, Okay,

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Speaker 2: every team's going to have their problems. I'd rather have

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Speaker 2: still winning. That's the That's where the Broncos are right now.

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Speaker 2: And and if I'm a Bronco fan, I should be

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Speaker 2: You're not even playing their best and they have the

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Speaker 1: I like the mindset, man, and yeah, you're right. They

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Speaker 2: It's the there's always positives and years to look at,

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Speaker 1: the Kansay Chiefs coming in sound. This is such a

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Speaker 1: big game because even though the Chiefs were five and four,

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Speaker 1: the Broncos were eating two and they seem to be

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Speaker 1: in control. I do think that there is a mindset

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Speaker 1: that people want to see the Broncos have a signature

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Speaker 1: win and maybe control the game. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: even matters, or do you just any way you get

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Speaker 1: the win, doesn't that's all that ultimately matters here.

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Speaker 2: I think any way you can get to win is

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Speaker 2: what actually matters, because come playoff time, come Week seventeen,

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Speaker 2: come playoff time, come all. At the end of the season,

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Speaker 2: it's all about who has not resolved in those close

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Speaker 2: games to figure it out. And the team that has

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Speaker 2: that resolved is a team that had to deal with

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Speaker 2: it the most and had to dig deep and figure.

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Speaker 3: Out a way to win.

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Speaker 2: And the Denver Broblems have been figuring that out. And

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Speaker 2: before it was a Kansas City Chief everard whenever the

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Speaker 2: game was closed in the fourth quarter, and we always

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Speaker 2: believe because of previous history, they showed us that the

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Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs would figure it out. And this year

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Speaker 2: that is the Denver Broncos and that's what's making them

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Speaker 2: special one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: All right, last couple here for you, buddy. So what

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Speaker 1: a weird game this last week? You know, you guys

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Speaker 1: got up seven nothing, and it's like, all right, the

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Speaker 1: Browns are doing what they're supposed to do. And then

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Speaker 1: you got a power turn touchdown or a kickoff return

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Speaker 1: touchdown and a power turn touchdown and you blink and

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Speaker 1: it's fourteen to seven.

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Speaker 2: I guess you know.

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Speaker 1: That game in a lot of ways, it's like the

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Speaker 1: most NFL game ever, right, I mean, just when you

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Speaker 1: think that the things are going a certain way, and

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Speaker 1: of course you guys battle back, and then they battle

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Speaker 1: back and then they ended up, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: escaping with a win there. But just to show you like,

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Speaker 1: whatever you predict is gonna happen in the game, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna obviously turn on its head, especially if you get

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Speaker 1: a couple of special teams touchdowns. What was your takeaway

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell your story. So you know, it's we

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Speaker 2: go up seven zero, all right, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: so first we get to stop, even just to stop,

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Speaker 2: and then we go up seven zero and it's about

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Speaker 2: to step in the field, like I'm about to go

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Speaker 2: out there. Then this and then I'll rescort for it.

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Speaker 3: It's a kape return. Watch the ball get returned.

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Speaker 2: Okay, oh crap, you know about the figger block whatever.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, you know, I'll get off there soon.

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Speaker 2: And then offense goes screen out. Then they punted, and

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Speaker 2: then it was a punt return, and and then it's

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Speaker 2: fourteen to seven, and and I remember I turned to somebody, I.

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Speaker 3: Said, this reminds me of my Bronxel days, Like this

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Speaker 3: is a piton me of.

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Speaker 2: What it felt like a couple of those times where

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Speaker 2: you would just try, like it was even if the

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Speaker 2: defense was playing great, you know, it is it's something

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Speaker 2: that would happen that was out of your control, you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's just like now you at a disadvantage. That

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Speaker 2: was it was just it was a it was a

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Speaker 2: crazy game. It was a tough game. Credit to the Jets,

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Speaker 2: that obvious before figuring out one's gonna way to win.

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Speaker 2: But that game just it just on the especially on

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Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. Like I've been sitting

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Speaker 2: by thinking about it the last couple of days, I'm

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Speaker 2: just more frustrated more because of that one drive where

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Speaker 2: they did score a touchdown. And obviously we can't always

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Speaker 2: be perfect, but on the defense side of the ball

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Speaker 2: and defenses I've been a part of, we expect to

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Speaker 2: get those stops no matter who. We could hold everybody

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Speaker 2: the news, so I would just say, if anything, you know,

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Speaker 2: we weren't perfect on defense, and that's kind of what

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Speaker 2: hurt us. But I just yeah, that was a crazy

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Speaker 2: game all around. And I've actually I've never been a

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Speaker 2: part of something like that. The two straight kicking, one

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Speaker 2: one kick, and the one point return. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: It just sort like twist the momentum of things, like

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Speaker 1: to your point, Like you're on the sideline expecting, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to go back in, and then all right,

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Speaker 1: well now it's tied, and then a couple of moments later, okay,

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Speaker 1: now we're down fourteen to seven. You haven't even really

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Speaker 1: stepped on the field. It's just a it's just a

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Speaker 1: weird storid dynamic. Given in all of that, Justin Field's

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Speaker 1: only a tense eleven passes. It's such a weird deal, man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as a defender, and this is the last

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Speaker 1: gonna tip more than eleven passes. I know he's a

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Speaker 2: I just like, the most frustrating part about it all

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Speaker 2: is odd we weren't surprised, Yeah, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like I was not surprised at all that they refuse

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Speaker 3: It's just it's what happens.

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Speaker 2: Too when the teams that we played that are struggling

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Speaker 2: and that's you know, obviously they were struggling. They believe

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Speaker 2: they're struggling with quarterback play. But it was just a

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Speaker 2: weird game where it just seemed like where they did

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Speaker 3: The down and distance was.

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Speaker 2: They were just want to run the ball of our

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Speaker 2: it was a different game in general.

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Speaker 1: That's the league, man, that is one thousand percent the league.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he completely in fifty four yards passing forty

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Speaker 1: two of it came out one play. So it's just

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Speaker 1: a weird, like I said, weird game. And then that's play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was in one play and it had zero

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Speaker 2: are yards. Yes, I know, man, that was a crazy

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Speaker 2: That's why say. It was the craziest, like it just

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Speaker 2: didn't make any sense. And I was just sitting there

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Speaker 2: like all right, man, like you know it was it

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Speaker 2: was rarely any shots. I didn't see, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't see the ball you're.

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Speaker 3: Thrown deepre No, it was just I'm saying, this is a.

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Speaker 2: Different I've never been a part of a game like that,

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Speaker 2: other than I told watched one you know, that was

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Speaker 2: the year had COVID when when Phil and Kendall Hitten

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Speaker 2: were back there playing. That's the only time I can

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Speaker 2: ever say like I've seen something like that before.

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Speaker 1: Very very That's exactly kind of what it reminded you of,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Hey, Shelby is the I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you man, looking forward to chatting you with you next week.

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Speaker 1: Good luck this weekend against Lamar and the Ravens. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, alright, Shelby Harris