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Speaker 2: to get to. Very quietly. Nick Krawl said yesterday that

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Speaker 2: the payroll is not expected to increase for the Reds

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. I've got some thoughts on that

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Speaker 2: the Bengals did not trade Trey Hendrickson, and I don't

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Speaker 2: think any of us are surprised to hear that. Here's

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Speaker 2: asking price, it's pretty high, and you can understand why.

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Speaker 2: I like, he's a good asset, right, And so you

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Speaker 2: were hearing they were asking for a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: It has been reported in a number of different circles

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Speaker 2: we don't know is how many teams were interested and

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Speaker 2: what was offered. I did not expect the Bengals to

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Speaker 2: give Trey Hendrickson away. I'm sure you didn't either. They

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Speaker 2: gave away Logan Wilson, right, a player who was not

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Speaker 2: playing all that well before he got benched, and then

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Speaker 2: he got benched. Not a part of their present, not

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Speaker 2: a part of their future. Trey Hendrickson hasn't been benched.

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Speaker 2: He's been sidelined, he hasn't been benched. When he's healthy,

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Speaker 2: they want him out there. Trey is a better player.

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Speaker 2: Trey is a much better player than Logan Wilson is.

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Speaker 2: They gave away Logan Wilson got something in return for him,

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Speaker 2: which is fine. They weren't gonna just give away Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: They weren't gonna liquidate him. This franchise, which has steadfastly

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Speaker 2: wasn't suddenly just gonna say, hey, everything must go go

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Speaker 2: We don't know is relative to what they asked for initially,

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Speaker 2: they just say no to a three. How many offers

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Speaker 2: That's what we don't know. I would have been more

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Speaker 2: And so, as is often the case, when Trey Hendrickson,

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Speaker 2: what else you got. Now I'm not telling you that

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Speaker 2: Like I assuming it's going to be Duke Tobin next year,

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Speaker 2: thirty two years old, who, by the way, is already

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Speaker 2: dealing with physical issues this year. That said, if Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson is not a Bengal in twenty twenty six, and

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Speaker 2: this is the conversation that not trading him has created.

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Speaker 2: If he's not a Bengal in twenty twenty six, where

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Speaker 2: lot of us have given up on Miles Murphy. Maybe

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Speaker 2: haven't worked. And so because they didn't trade him, and

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Speaker 2: essentially has now because the franchise tag, which is the

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Speaker 2: year and we all talked about it, right well, how

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Speaker 2: We're literally wondering the same thing right now that we

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Speaker 2: that's not entirely fair to DJ Turner, who has had

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Speaker 2: time for this franchise. And so yes, he looks like

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Speaker 2: we all are. And it's not like you've got to

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Speaker 2: again I'm I don't know that I want a franchise

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Speaker 2: tag Trey Hendrickson. I'm as awesome of a player as

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Speaker 2: he has been. We've said it a lot, We've said

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Speaker 2: I'm not that interested in investing in guys for future

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Speaker 2: That said, it is completely reasonable to ask the exact

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Speaker 2: same question about Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals we were

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Speaker 2: there's no pass rush. How do these things get better

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Speaker 2: the conversation, that's all we do with Trey Hendrickson, right,

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Speaker 2: is just advance the conversation to the next place. Right.

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Speaker 2: They didn't give him the trade that he wanted prior

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Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty four season, so that meant that

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Speaker 2: he was gonna play out this year, probably not be happy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we'll do that. Then he's gonna request another trade, which

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to either not have Trey Hendrickson on the

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Speaker 2: sure he could do it this year, so almost unbelievably,

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Speaker 2: there's one of my questions. Our numbers are five win,

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Speaker 2: which means he's under contract to the team for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the season and means the Bengals still have

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Speaker 2: his franchise tag rights. By the way, not a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of other dudes on this team right now you're

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Speaker 2: looking to pay. I don't think I'm doing it because

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Speaker 2: Do you franchise tag Trey Hendrickson? By now? The answer

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Speaker 2: But you can't can't have faith in any of those things.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, man, you cannot help. But wonder as

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, even if he never really has been

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Speaker 2: I think we've talked more about Duke Tobin right now

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Speaker 5: Just one suggestion. First of all, it sounds like you're

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Speaker 5: No, you're a trooper anyway, I know that. First of

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Speaker 5: But I think the bigger issue, mom is the scouting staff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can only cover so many places. And when

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Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, maybe they're just I mean Shamar Stewart is

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Speaker 2: And then not that you should discount that, not that

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean he kind of looks like Miles Garrett

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Speaker 2: I might steal that, John, Thank you. I am oh.

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Speaker 2: I have blatantly stole many times in my life. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I will absolutely lift that. Like the Trey Hendrickson thing,

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Speaker 2: You know, he closed out the second Pittsburgh game last year,

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Speaker 2: Trey has been a marvelous player. But Paul Danner, junior

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Speaker 2: He is already dealing with physical issues that have kept

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Speaker 2: Whether it's frustration over more, frustration over not getting a

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Speaker 2: you can make an argument that you cannot move on

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Speaker 2: on the road at four and two so far this season.

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Speaker 2: Rick Browing is going to be with us in just

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Speaker 2: excuse me a handful of minutes. We're really popular in

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Speaker 2: New England today, Wyatt from Boston. You're on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty of all the sports talk radio stations in Boston,

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Speaker 2: Garden Dark.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 7: No. I was grew up in Cincinnati, so I got

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Speaker 7: tune in whenever I can.

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Speaker 2: Nice to have you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well it's a long time listener, first time caller,

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Speaker 8: thank you.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no.

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Speaker 9: So, I was watching the game on Sunday, and I'm

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Speaker 9: just I'm curious why we took Jamar Stewart, right, big

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Speaker 9: strong athletic.

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Speaker 10: What I saw was a guy that looked a lot

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Speaker 10: like if I tried to.

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Speaker 8: Play defensive ends in the NFL for a day. Like

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Speaker 8: it was, it was borderline make a wish. I saw

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Speaker 8: a guy that got pancake blocked, shoved to the ground.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't get his feet set.

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Speaker 7: Just abhorrent, absolutely abhorrent, and I just I am so confused.

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Speaker 7: I mean, get up and at least fight somebody, do

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Speaker 7: something a sign of life.

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Speaker 2: I think that, to me is the most sobering part,

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Speaker 2: right like, relative to what we saw in training camp,

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Speaker 2: which you know, the whole Samar Stewart, you know, off

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Speaker 2: season experience was weird and gave us a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about. But when he got on the field in

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Speaker 2: training camp practices, there was a level of nastiness. There

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Speaker 2: was an edge that I think a lot of us thought,

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Speaker 2: at the very least he can bring that to the team. Well,

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Speaker 2: what you just described is the exact opposite, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: what you just described is what I saw as well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm also I'm uh, I'm really glad we traded

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Speaker 7: uh Dackxell for Geno Stone, you know, as far as

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Speaker 7: like position like playing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he's he's quite a bit better.

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Speaker 7: You know. It's just to h to quote yesterday a

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Speaker 7: comedy of errors.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh. Yeah. The Geno Stone signing is going to

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Speaker 2: go down as one of the worst. And I'll be

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Speaker 2: honest with you, I I was excited about that because

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Speaker 2: I saw a guy in Baltimore that the more they

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Speaker 2: gave him, the more he did well. We've seen none

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Speaker 2: of that. We we have seen zero of that here.

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Speaker 2: We bad angles, bad tackling, terrible in coverage and and oftentimes,

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Speaker 2: as has been the case in two of the Lands

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Speaker 2: three games, at precisely the worst time it's it's gone

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Speaker 2: down and it makes you wonder. You know, Al Golden

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Speaker 2: has tried different options. He's bench Cam Taylor, Brent, He's

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Speaker 2: obviously shortened the leash for Logan Wilson, who's no longer here.

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Speaker 2: Geno Stone has gone unchallenged. So it comes back to

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Speaker 2: what we talked about this offseason. What would plan B

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Speaker 2: B if Geno Stone continues to play the way he

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Speaker 2: did last year? Well, he continues to play the way

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Speaker 2: he did last year, and yet he's got the longest

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Speaker 2: leash of all time, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm I'm spacing on the uh that special teams

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Speaker 8: ace that we have we have?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we have Tyson Anderson special teams ACE.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Are his hands glued together? Can he play safety no

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Speaker 7: better than Geno Stone?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, like that's the thing with Geno Stone.

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Speaker 2: You're just looking for the basics. Can you tackle a guy?

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Speaker 2: Can can? Can? Tyson Anderson be in a position to

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Speaker 2: tackle a guy and bring him of the ground. I

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Speaker 2: don't need Kyle Hamilton. Yeah, I understand, I might deal

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Speaker 2: with some coverage deficiencies if it. Put Tyson can he

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Speaker 2: do the basics? Geno Stone cannot do the basics, and

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Speaker 2: frankly right now, neither can Jordan Battle.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: With that eighty five speed, he's really not running anybody

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Speaker 7: down from behind.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, White, thanks man, good to hear from you.

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Speaker 8: You as well have a good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the it's a dead horse by now.

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Speaker 2: All off season long, All off season long, we kept

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Speaker 2: wondering what are they going to do with safety? Like Taran,

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Speaker 2: what would you say? From late March to the time

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Speaker 2: we get to the draft, how many draft people we

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Speaker 2: have on? Ten? Twelve somewhere between? Yeah, about ten to twelve, right,

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Speaker 2: like we get past like the first wave of free agency.

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Speaker 2: Tarren will tell you. I tell him like, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: here are the go to draft people. Let's get them

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Speaker 2: on and sometimes like a new one w'll emerge and

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Speaker 2: you know, like there's a demand for that content, so

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Speaker 2: we try to get as many as possible. There was

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Speaker 2: not one. There was not one that we didn't talk

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Speaker 2: to about safety day day one or two, not one

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Speaker 2: that we didn't talk to about safety. There were other

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Speaker 2: positions we like, and I didn't ask about a lot

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Speaker 2: of wide receivers because that wasn't gonna be a position

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Speaker 2: they prioritized. The reason we did that is because it

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Speaker 2: made sense. The Bengals need to address safety, which they

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Speaker 2: obviously didn't in the first couple of ways of free agency.

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Speaker 2: They left that position alone, and they're getting even worse

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Speaker 2: results than last year. That, to me, more than anything else,

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Speaker 2: is the most frustrating thing about the construction of the

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Speaker 2: roster and the job that Duke Tobin did with it

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Speaker 2: this offseason. More coming up in a bit. We got

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Speaker 2: some red stuff to get to in the four o'clock hour.

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Speaker 2: But first Rick Browing on Xavier and NKU basketball.

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Speaker 2: Any more details, It's a ten away from four. This

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Speaker 2: and during the college basketball season. On Wednesdays, our friend

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Speaker 2: Rick Buring joins US Musketine Report dot Com and the

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Speaker 2: color Analyst on NKU radio broadcast. We talk Xavier and

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Speaker 2: NKU basketball with Rick. The Musketeers open up the Richard

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Speaker 2: Patino Ero where they win over Marist. On Monday. Darren

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Speaker 2: Horn's team knocked off UC Claremont in blowout fashion. The

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Speaker 2: Norse will take on Tennessee on Saturday. Meanwhile, the Musketeers

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Speaker 2: are getting set to take on Lemoyne, which is a

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Speaker 2: private Jesuit college in Syracuse, New York. Rick is with us. Now, Hi, Rick, something, Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here doing a sports talk radio show.

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Speaker 2: What was the biggest positive to come out of Xavier's

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Speaker 2: went on Monday?

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Speaker 10: Well, that they won it, right, I mean that was

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Speaker 10: very much in question. Now, they did build up a

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Speaker 10: twenty point lead early in the second half, and it

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Speaker 10: looked like they might cruise after a rocky start to

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Speaker 10: the game, but then they went in a long, extended

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Speaker 10: six plus minute drought, scored a basket that went through

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Speaker 10: another six plus minute drought on the offensive end, which

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Speaker 10: completely erased that twenty point lead that they had built up.

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Speaker 4: And I think you know what you.

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Speaker 10: Asked for the most positive part, and that was that

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Speaker 10: they found a way through all that adversity, in those

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Speaker 10: cold spells to make the necessary plays at the end

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Speaker 10: of the game, make the free throws and win it.

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Speaker 10: But I think those droughts that we saw are probably

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Speaker 10: the biggest concern and something that we're going to be

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Speaker 10: talking a lot about this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you went into the season thinking,

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Speaker 2: you know what, this is going to be a rough

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Speaker 2: year for the Musketeers, I'm not sure that Monday did

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Speaker 2: anything to make anybody not think that way.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 10: And it went about as expected based on the things

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Speaker 10: we've been talking about with this team in the preseason,

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Speaker 10: and that's they don't have a true go to leader.

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Speaker 4: On the offensive end.

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Speaker 10: Now, I think you saw a few guys Malik Messina Moore,

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Speaker 10: Trey Carroll, and then off the bench a couple of

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Speaker 10: guys and Alright and Yovan Malikshevich step up. But that's

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Speaker 10: also against Marist, and Maris is a pretty good defensive

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Speaker 10: unit over the last few years, so I expect that'll

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Speaker 10: continue again this season. But it's a lower level than

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Speaker 10: what you're going to face throughout your non conference schedule

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Speaker 10: and in the Big East play, So they're definitely going

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Speaker 10: to have to find some ways to manufacture more points

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Speaker 10: and not go through six plus minutes where they don't score.

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Speaker 2: I felt like they got to the ram and just

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Speaker 2: couldn't finish often.

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Speaker 10: There was a lot of that, you know, that's part

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Speaker 10: of it is guys being able to finish better, maybe

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Speaker 10: finished through physicality a little bit more. But also I

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Speaker 10: think part of it is just having guys that are

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Speaker 10: used to be in that role and being go to scores.

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Speaker 10: I think you got a lot of guys that are

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Speaker 10: maybe more of a role player, a three or four

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Speaker 10: type of option and a good Big East team and

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Speaker 10: they're being asked to be ones or twos on this team.

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Speaker 2: Well, what can you tell me about Lemoyne.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's a team that was the fourth worst defensive

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Speaker 10: team in the country last season. They're just in their

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Speaker 10: third year of Division One. They're still in their probationary period.

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Speaker 10: They're not eligible for the NBA Tournament. They were a

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Speaker 10: Division two school who made the jump, but they were

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Speaker 10: not very good defensively last year, so in the porld

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Speaker 10: this year, they went out and they tried to get

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Speaker 10: a little bit more athletic, and I think they did

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Speaker 10: that based on watching their opener a few nights ago

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Speaker 10: against a non Division one opponent. They scored a bunch

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Speaker 10: of points in that game. They won by a bunch

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Speaker 10: of points in that game. I think it's going to

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Speaker 10: be a It could be a rough start again for

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Speaker 10: Xavier as they find their footing, but it's not going

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Speaker 10: to be nearly as good of a defense as they

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Speaker 10: faced in Maris. I think they should be able to

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Speaker 10: get a little more confidence going on the offensive end.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I can tell you about Lemoyne?

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Speaker 4: What's that that the Dolphins?

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Speaker 2: Uh? No, I didn't know that Tom Browning pitched there

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Speaker 2: before he transferred to a Tennessee Wesleyan.

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Speaker 4: I did not know that a big Tom Browning guy.

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Speaker 4: I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he played college baseball Leamoyne College in Syracuse, New York.

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Speaker 2: What do we learn about NKU against UC Claremont.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's always you take it with a grain of

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Speaker 10: salt when you're talking about a non Division one opponent,

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Speaker 10: But no, I liked what I saw from an offensive perspective.

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Speaker 10: I had been thinking throughout the pre season that this

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Speaker 10: team looks like it has a few more options that

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Speaker 10: can score than a lot of Darren Horn's teams have

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Speaker 10: had over the last few years, and that looked.

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Speaker 4: To be the case in this game.

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Speaker 10: They had multiple guys I think three or four starters

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Speaker 10: had multiple three pointers in this game, including cal Robinson,

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Speaker 10: who made four of them and scored twenty two points.

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Speaker 10: And I think they had six guys overall make a

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Speaker 10: three pointer. So that's the thing that would excite me

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Speaker 10: the most as an NKU fan. They tied the school

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Speaker 10: record for most points in a game, and just the

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Speaker 10: number of guys that contributed on the offensive end was impressive.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the UC Claremont Cougers will have

650
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Speaker 2: a good season.

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Speaker 14: My guess is yeah.

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Speaker 10: They usually do pretty well in their level that they

653
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Speaker 10: play at. They've got a couple of shooters from what

654
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Speaker 10: we saw in that exhibition, but they didn't have the

655
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Speaker 10: level of athleticism or size match up with the Norse.

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Speaker 2: What's going to happen when the Norse plays Tennessee?

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Speaker 10: Good question, I mean kind of one of the exciting

658
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 10: things from a mid major perspective about the new era

659
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Speaker 10: of the sport is I think everyone's on a little

660
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Speaker 10: bit of unstable, rocky footing when you start the year.

661
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Speaker 10: They've got new teams, they've got new pieces trying to

662
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Speaker 10: fit in. They don't feel like a well oiled machine

663
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Speaker 10: if you're facing them in the second, third, or fourth game,

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Speaker 10: you know, like NKU is in this case.

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Speaker 4: So hopefully you.

666
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Speaker 10: Catch a team that's maybe off guard a little bit

667
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Speaker 10: and not quite ready, and you give yourself a really

668
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 10: good chance on the road to win one. But hopefully

669
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Speaker 10: also the Norse can keep the three point shooting going,

670
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Speaker 10: because that was pretty impressive on opening night. If they

671
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Speaker 10: can knock down some threes, you'll definitely have a better chance.

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Speaker 2: NK you and Tennessee on Saturday at three o'clock. Rick

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Speaker 2: Brown color analysts. By the way, I did color because

674
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Speaker 2: Terry Nelson had a medical issue. I did color for

675
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Speaker 2: the UC game on Monday. Do you think that that

676
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Speaker 2: will at all impact your place in the area college

677
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Speaker 2: basketball radio analyst Power Rankings.

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Speaker 10: Well, it won't affect my place because I'll stay last

679
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Speaker 10: where I've been, But I do think it might shuffle

680
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Speaker 10: me down a spot on me if I was like

681
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 10: third before, I'm probably fourth now.

682
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Speaker 4: So thank you for that. I appreciate it.

683
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a little bit more concerned about Byron quite frankly,

684
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Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll see, We'll see how they shake

685
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: out at the end of the week. I'm not sure.

686
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Speaker 4: I'll let Byron know you said that.

687
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Speaker 2: Yeah, please do that'd be great. Rick, Thank you as always,

688
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: and we'll talk next week.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

691
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Speaker 2: That's our guy, Rick Boring Musketeer Report dot Com in

692
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: the color analyst. He's actually a good full time color analyst,

693
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 2: as you could tell on NKU Radio broadcast the Norse

694
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Speaker 2: on the road in Knoxville against Tennessee on Saturday. Meanwhile,

695
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Xavier getting said to host Lemoyne tomorrow night, I do

696
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: like Richard Patino on Twitter at after the game on Monday,

697
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: was was giving out grades. He graded the performance of

698
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Speaker 2: the student section and then a grade for the offense

699
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: with a small synopsis of how the Musketeers played offensively,

700
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: and then a small synopsis of how they play defensively.

701
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Speaker 2: I hope that that should be mandatory for all college

702
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: excuse me, all college basketball coaches. Years ago, Nebraska had

703
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 2: a coach by the name of Tim Miles who didn't

704
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: really win a lot there, but at halftime of Nebraska

705
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: games he would send a tweet. He would and might

706
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Speaker 2: have done it after the game, but you see played

707
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Speaker 2: Nebraska twice when he was a coach, and he would

708
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Speaker 2: send a halftime tweet. So there should be some of

709
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Speaker 2: that as well. There you go, Rick Boring Musketeerreport dot com.

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Speaker 2: Nick Crawl says, the payroll is basically going to be

711
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Speaker 2: the same. We have to get to that next. If

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Speaker 2: you're fifty five or.

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Speaker 1: Old to win one thousand dollars entered this nationwide keyword

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Speaker 1: on our website dollar, that's dollar enter it now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don's us mullagg Er, ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for

716
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Speaker 2: listening today and hopefully every day. Hey, by the way,

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Speaker 2: quick programming note, if you have spent your entire day

718
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Speaker 2: organizing your evening around listening to Bengals game plan there's

719
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: no Bengals game plan tonight because it's a bye week. Also,

720
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Speaker 2: there's no Bengals pep rally. But I will not be

721
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: here because I'm off. So you'll have Ken Brew hosting

722
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Speaker 2: that show on Friday afternoon. Cha yeah, you get Ken

723
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Speaker 2: Brew KB. When's the last time you were with Ken Brew?

724
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: It's been years, So I would get ready to get

725
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Speaker 2: out all the bumper music from the nineteen forties and

726
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 2: fifties because Ken loves that type of music. And I'm

727
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: not sure you know what sort of guess he's going

728
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: to ask you to track down. You know, he he

729
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: likes he likes to interview musicians and you know, let's

730
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: be honest, not not necessarily like contemporary musicians. So like,

731
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, he might ask you to get somebody who

732
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: once sang back up for Red Foley. I don't know,

733
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: but that that'd be Friday's show. Or I think he's

734
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 2: he's got somebody who played the piano for for Vera Lynn.

735
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Speaker 2: That's the sort of stuff he likes to do. I'm

736
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: not in charge of what happens on this show. When

737
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: I'm not here. I can barely keep things in line

738
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: for myself. So yeah, you get Ken Brew action on

739
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: Friday after I think that's a short show as well,

740
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: so you and Ken Brew forer. I believe two and

741
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: a half hours on Friday, that'll be fun. I will

742
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Speaker 2: be listening. I will be listening on my Friday afternoon

743
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: my callin if you know what I think Ken would

744
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: like that if I called in. The last time I

745
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: called into a show I called in. Riding back from

746
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: the Bengals Colts playoff game at the end of the

747
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen season, I called into Rocky Boyman, and I

748
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 2: don't think he liked it. It's the last time. I

749
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: also called the Kentucky basketball pregame show once as Maurice

750
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: from Burlington, and I told Oscar Colmes that I met

751
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: him at food Line in nineteen seventy nine. I do

752
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: think he found the humor in. That been a while

753
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: since I've called in. We have some Reds news.

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Speaker 8: Are you?

755
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: The Reds, just a few moments ago announced that they

756
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: have declined the twenty twenty six club option for Scott Barlow,

757
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: they have declined the twenty twenty six mutual option for

758
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: Austin Hayes, and they have declined the twenty twenty six

759
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: club option for Brent Souter. All three of those guys

760
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: are free agents. All three of those guys had a

761
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: hand in the moderate success the Reds had last year.

762
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: I think all of us were okay with moving on

763
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: from all three. We will see the roster is down

764
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Speaker 2: to thirty two. Nick Krawl yesterday acknowledged that there's not

765
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Speaker 2: likely to be a major payroll bump from twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five to twenty twenty six. I don't know that anybody

767
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: is necessarily surprised to hear that. I do think they

768
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: are going to have some money to spend, just because

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00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: there's not a ton of guaranteed cash, you know, devoted

770
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: to a lot of guys. But the overall message to

771
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: me was and I know that on certain sports books,

772
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Speaker 2: they're the favorites to get Kyle Schwarber, and I think

773
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to see what the market

774
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: is for him. Quite frankly, I'm not sure it's going

775
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: to be necessarily what he hopes for, because I think

776
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: there's a lot of uncertainty in the sport regarding the lockout,

777
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: what baseball's economics might look like post twenty twenty six.

778
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: I think some will view him as a guy whose

779
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: best years are behind him. We will see. Many have said, well,

780
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: you know, hey, they can still Kyle Shwarber and keep

781
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: the payroll basically what it is, go bargain basement. I

782
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: think there's two things about this number. One, if they're

783
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: acquiring an impactful bat, I think it's reasonable to think

784
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: that that is going to come via a trade involving

785
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: their surplus more than it's likely to come from free agency.

786
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: That's not to say they won't sign free agents. They

787
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: signed some last year, including a guy whose name I

788
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 2: just mentioned in Austin Hayes. But it feels like there's

789
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: a strong excuse me, a strong likelihood that they will

790
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: at least shop their starting pitchers. I would not trade

791
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: Hunter Green, but I don't think he's untouchable, and I

792
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: certainly can imagine the Reds would be willing to talk

793
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: with teams about him, and I think they would be

794
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: willing to talk with teams about pretty much anyone of

795
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: their pictures, Abbot Louder, Lodolo Burns, any one of them.

796
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: I think that's where they're most likely to at least

797
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 2: try to get a bat from.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to wonder if you want to

800
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: acquire one of those starting pitchers who are either in

801
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: or coming into their prime. You're doing that so you're

802
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: trying to win this year. If you're trying to win

803
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: this year, you're trading away an impactful bat But I

804
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 2: think more than anything, the success of the twenty twenty

805
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: six Reds is going to be more dependent upon dudes

806
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: who are on the twenty twenty five Reds. Then maybe

807
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: you would like, and maybe that I would like. I've

808
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: already read two pieces about how Matt McLain is raring

809
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: to go after a miss serable season last year, and

810
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: I hope he is. I would imagine he is, But

811
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: like Matt McClain represented one of the great failures of

812
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five season. That's nothing against Matt. Matt's

813
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: a guy who plays hard and you know we like

814
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: but he was written down in black magic marker to

815
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: be the team's number two hitter this season and he

816
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: was awful. Folks got mad at me for saying that

817
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: last year, but don't get mad at me. Terry frank

818
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: ConA told you how bad he was because he slid

819
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: him to the ninth spot in the batty order. Red's

820
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: two whole production in twenty twenty five was at one

821
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: point late in the season the worst than all of

822
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. So that has to get better, whether

823
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: it's Matt McLain serving in that role or somebody else.

824
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: And there's there's just a whole host of guys that

825
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm a believer in the adage hope

826
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: is not a strategy, but I do think a big

827
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: part of their strategy this offseason. Like it or not,

828
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: I don't love it is going to be. We simply

829
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: are hoping for better results from some of the same guys.

830
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: They're gonna hope that Elie Delacruz figures it out. I

831
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: hope to God that we are not spending any time

832
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: next year talking about which position he should play, But

833
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: my guess is we will because you saw no major

834
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: defensive improvement. It continues to be baffling to me that

835
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: they let him play every single day while acknowledging that

836
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: he was dealing with a minor injury. But this team

837
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 2: was built around him being great, and he wasn't great,

838
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: And in the second half of the season he wasn't

839
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: even good. They got screwed by his Christian and Carnassian

840
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: strand turning into a pumpkin this year? How many more

841
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: opportunities is he gonna get?

842
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 15: Uh?

843
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: You know, Noel a Marte gonna play himself into like

844
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: a legitimate outfielder. There was a lot to like about

845
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: Noel a Marte last year, Like there's still Salve Stewart,

846
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: salth Stewart. I think we all really are really excited about.

847
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: But dudes played a month. Would imagine his role is

848
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: pretty prominent this season.

849
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Speaker 4: And so.

850
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: We can keep going and mention a lot of guys

851
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: who either didn't do as much as we would have

852
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: hoped for or didn't do anything much. Sure, many of

853
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: those guys are going anywhere. And I also think it's

854
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: completely fair to wonder if you're going to put an

855
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: offensive zero at third base, which for all of his

856
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: defensive excellence, that's what key Brian Hayes is. Okay, you

857
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: got to make up for the offense somewhere else Where's

858
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: it going to come from? And can it come from

859
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: the corner outfield positions With the same philosophies at those

860
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: spots the Reds employed last year, I don't think the

861
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: answer is yes. Are they really set in center field

862
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: with TJ Friedel like, there are so many damn questions,

863
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: so many damn questions, And I feel like, with Nick

864
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: Krawl saying what he said, the best way to read

865
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: through those lines is the answers are going to have

866
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: to come from within, either by players just simply performing better,

867
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: maybe guys coming through the system, maybe guys benefiting from

868
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: more experience. And again that's not to say they're not

869
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: going to add from outside. There's room to add from outside.

870
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: They added from outside last year. They won the Brady

871
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: Singer trade. Austin Hayes for a while, really really helped

872
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: Gavin Lux had his moments. Jose Travino was a good acquisition.

873
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: There's but chances are it's going to be more of

874
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: those type of players, not that they're bad, but more

875
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: of those type of players, hopefully a few more depth pieces.

876
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: So there's not a revolving door of dudes like Blake

877
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: Dunn and Jacob hurdabies in the fourth and fifth outfield spots,

878
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: but a whole lot of guys that they bring back

879
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: simply hoping for better results from this coming season than

880
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: they got last year. And I don't know that that

881
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: strategy is going to work. If you're trying to be

882
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: who the Milwaukee Brewers were last season division champs. And

883
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: I don't know that that strategy is going to excite

884
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: a lot of folks, But to me, that's how I

885
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: read that. It's if we make an impactful move, it's

886
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: going to be trading from our strength, which you know

887
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: you could compromise your starting pitching depth if you do that,

888
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: And then you know, number two, just fine answers from

889
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: within and simply hope that some players play better. We'll see,

890
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: we'll see. I think it's a perilous approach, but I

891
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: saw that quote yesterday and I wasn't necessarily shocked. I

892
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily angry about it. It has felt all along

893
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: like if if the Reds are going to be substantially

894
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: better in twenty twenty six, which should be the goal,

895
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 2: if they're barely sneaking into the postseason next year, then

896
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: they're going to be behind the eight ball the way

897
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: they were when they played that series against the Dodgers.

898
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: The idea should be to have games one sixty through

899
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: one sixty two not count because you are in and

900
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: ideally in as a division winner. To go from what

901
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: they were to what they want to be is going

902
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: to require a lot, but chances are if they get

903
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: that much better, it's gonna be because dudes who they

904
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: had last year performed better. We'll see. Maybe I'm dead

905
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: wrong about it, but as as much as you can

906
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: go to the internet and find a book that tells

907
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: you the their odds on favorites to get Kyle Schwarber again,

908
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: maybe they do. And if they do, awesome. I wonder

909
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: if it was Kyle Schwarber from Middletown, Pennsylvania, if he

910
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: would be if the Reds would be listed as the favorite.

911
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: That just does not seem like the most likely outcome.

912
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: And I haven't found anybody who covers the team who

913
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: has said that they're going to spend the coming weeks

914
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: engaged in Schwarber watch. We'll see, We'll see. Maybe again

915
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: no big market materializes form, but chances are we get

916
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: to spring training, we're gonna be sifting through a whole

917
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: lot of dudes who were a part of the team

918
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: this past season. Sixteen after four o'clock five point three,

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Speaker 2: seven four nine fifteen thirty is our phone number. Eight

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Speaker 2: six six seven oh two three seven seven six works

921
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Speaker 2: as well. Guess free until four thirty on our front.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Richard skinnernextile. We are looking

938
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: forward to that Bengals with a bye week is week.

939
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: He's even joining us on the buy I think last time,

940
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: maybe the last time, but we once called Richard Skinner

941
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: during the by and he wasn't expecting it, and he

942
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: was sitting at Texas Roadhouse. Maybe that's what he's doing today.

943
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. We'll find out in one hour.

944
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 7: Mike.

945
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: Go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty high.

946
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 4: Mike.

947
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 13: How are you?

948
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 12: I don't know, how the hell are you?

949
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: I have never been better in my life. What's going on?

950
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 12: Well, it's a good for you. You're at a prime

951
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 12: in your life. Brother, enjoy it. Why you can?

952
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: I will thank you.

953
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 12: It'll sneak, it'll sneak up on your hiki real quick.

954
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 12: The Reds are going to Stampath.

955
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 4: Huh.

956
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 12: Well, nobody knows. They ain't getting Swarburg. That's other question.

957
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 12: And the other thing about Schwarber is everybody always thinks

958
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 12: that guys always want to go back to their hometown area.

959
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 12: That's not necessarily true.

960
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: Well I think it's true. It's true, true if the

961
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: money's right. But yeah, I think that's less of a

962
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: priority or athletes than people make it out to be.

963
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 12: Well, and sometimes people the hometown doesn't necessarily have tons

964
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 12: of great memories for And we don't know what his

965
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 12: personal life is. So I've run into men all my

966
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 12: life that had no interest in going back to their

967
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 12: hometown at all. They were really happy with what they

968
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 12: were doing, so I wouldn't count on that.

969
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think anybody's counting. I do think it

970
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: will be interesting. And again we went through this with

971
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo last year, where there wasn't as big of

972
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: a market for him. Now, you know, Kyle Schwarber is

973
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: the rating National League home run leader led the sport

974
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: and RBIs last year. It's not like he's thirty five

975
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: years old. But I could see teams looking at him

976
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: as a guy who as awesome as he has been,

977
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: and he has been the last four years he has

978
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: been unbelievable. I could see teams looking at him through

979
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: the lens of his best years are behind him, and

980
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: so maybe we're not gonna maybe we're not going to

981
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: offer him this sort of contract that maybe he thinks

982
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: he could get.

983
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 12: Yeah, uh, do you ever listen to Patrick.

984
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 2: In the morning, to Dan Patrick in the morning.

985
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 12: Yes, correct, Well, he's got Kershaw on tomorrows for an interview.

986
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 12: But I'll tell you what, Well, he is such a

987
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 12: great interviewer, isn't he He can relax a guy and

988
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 12: just make it a conversation versus an interview and he's

989
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 12: very adept at it.

990
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, he learned those skills at the University

991
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: of dateon Mike.

992
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 12: Yeah, of course. He followed by ESPN for a long

993
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 12: long time and his relationship with Adam Sandler, which is

994
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 12: quite interesting. But did you hear what he did? You

995
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 12: hear him today?

996
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: I did not?

997
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 12: He was he did a great interview with Dave Roberts,

998
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 12: I mean absolutely great interview and he said, what do

999
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 12: you think about that play Paul has made going over

1000
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 12: to top of TK off the wall and he said,

1001
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 12: all I can tell you is Kek told me Paul

1002
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 12: has said look down and said are you okay? And

1003
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 12: he said, do you have the damn ball?

1004
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: How much Dodgers World Championship merge? Have you bought?

1005
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 12: Six? Seven worth?

1006
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah? Wow? Now what is that cover? Two items?

1007
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 12: Might not be around next year?

1008
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: What does that cover? Like? Two items? No?

1009
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 12: It was four items?

1010
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 11: OK?

1011
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 2: Gotcha?

1012
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was pretty cool. Kyk is a real trooper

1013
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 12: when it comes to October. You know, he ain't no

1014
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 12: Reggie Jackson, but he really does have a way of

1015
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 12: putting it to goats and doesn't he were Yoshi Yamamoto

1016
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 12: since you had been talking about baseball. Yoshi Yama Moto

1017
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 12: reminds me a lot in demeanor size, Uh, attitude to

1018
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 12: Pedro Martinez, very very much like Pedro Martinez.

1019
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: Not a connection I had made. But I won't, I

1020
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: won't throw cold water on it.

1021
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 15: No.

1022
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 12: No, I've heard that from several people, and uh, it's

1023
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 12: got a lot of dogging. But but their stature is

1024
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 12: virtually the same. Roberts just said Yamamoto is the smartest

1025
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 12: picture he's ever coached. Oh, he said cerebraly. He is

1026
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 12: just beyond it. And so we keep continuing to do

1027
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 12: Bengal micro analysis. Isn't isn't it getting?

1028
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 15: I mean.

1029
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 12: No, I swear it's getting to the point where I

1030
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 12: don't even know if it's worth your breath. I know

1031
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 12: people want, I know people want to hear about it,

1032
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 12: but I mean, my god, what I mean it's it's

1033
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 12: not even mediocrey. It's just until big changes are made,

1034
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 12: it's just beaten a dead, real dead animal, it seems

1035
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 12: to me, which is kind of sick in a way.

1036
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'll say this. I think I think yes and no,

1037
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: I think the variable that makes a different is burrow.

1038
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: You know we've We've spent many, many, many many saying

1039
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: a lot of the same things about the Cincinnati Bengals.

1040
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 2: I think what makes it different now is the Burrow

1041
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: variable makes it feel like they are wasting something as

1042
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: opposed to simply not being good or being inept, and

1043
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: that's frustrating. Like having a bet if Andy, you know,

1044
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: Andy Dalton had his moments off is if Andy Dalton

1045
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: was the quarterback of this team, or if they were

1046
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: getting just a trash can quarterback play from their backup

1047
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: and the defense was terrible, I don't think it would

1048
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: ignite the ire that this has created. I think you're

1049
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: also dealing with a unique set of circumstances with regards

1050
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: to what they did from last year to this year.

1051
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 2: They've had teams that weren't great, but I think often

1052
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: over the last fifteen years there has been an outward

1053
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: desire and effort to fix what's broken. Sometimes it hasn't worked.

1054
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: What was frustrating about this offseason to me is what

1055
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: every buddy is acknowledging now that they basically sat around

1056
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: with the defense and did nothing, and then add to it,

1057
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: drafted poorly again. And so yes, a lot of the

1058
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: see a lot of the themes feel familiar and sound familiar, familiar,

1059
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: but I think the actual sources of the frustration are

1060
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 2: a little bit different this go round.

1061
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 12: Okay, now we're stressing that the ineptitude of the defense,

1062
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 12: which is warranted. But you know this is why I'm wondering.

1063
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 12: I need your opinion on this, especially in regards to

1064
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 12: mister Flacco at forty one. The offensive line, I mean,

1065
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 12: all I keep hearing about is Orlando Brown. They're pushing

1066
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 12: him around. The other rookie over there ain't really setting

1067
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 12: the records with PFF and the rest of them are average,

1068
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 12: if not worse. So we're just totally still disregarding any

1069
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 12: discussion about the is the offensive line? Isn't how Joe

1070
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 12: Flacco doing this good other than just the raw ability

1071
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 12: of get Jamar Chase Well.

1072
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: They're running the ball more effectively. He's been really good

1073
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 2: at getting rid of the ball quickly. And the offensive

1074
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: line I think has been okay ish while Joe Flacco

1075
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: has been the quarterback. But look, you're right they if

1076
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: you start to look ahead of next year, think of

1077
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Speaker 2: everything they have to figure out. Start with work harder

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00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 2: or work better to better ensure that Joe Burrow plays

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Speaker 2: every single game. Obviously, there's no guarantee that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: But they put him behind an offensive line that at

1081
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, again we all thought might

1082
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: be the best that he has played behind, but we

1083
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: certainly didn't think it was going to be good. How

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00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: does that change? How do they fix every level of

1085
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: the defense? There's no nuance to this defense. It stinks

1086
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: across the board. They're bad at stopping the run, they're

1087
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: bad at getting after the passer, they're bad at tackling,

1088
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: they're bad in coverage that they don't do anything well.

1089
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: You have a lot of areas to fix. And again,

1090
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: like you could talk about, well, that means you start

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00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: from scratch, except you've got a QB who, when he's

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Speaker 2: at his best, is legitimately considered one of the best

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Speaker 2: in the sport. So how over the course of the

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00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: next couple of years, during this window where you're supposed

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: to be competing for championships because you have the problem

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00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: solved that quarterback, can you take what they are and

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00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: turn it into what it needs to be. And to me,

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00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: that's my greatest source of frustration. You weren't gonna win

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Speaker 2: a title every year while Joe Burrow is the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: There were probably gonna be some years that were deeply frustrating,

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00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: But you were supposed to basically be in contention every

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00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: single year while this guy was in his prime. It

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00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: feels like they're forever away. I'm not interested in sneaking

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Speaker 2: in and being the last seed a team in the

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Speaker 2: AFC and let's see what happens. I want to be

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Speaker 2: the one seed. I want to play nothing but playoff

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: home games. I want to spend years being among the

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Speaker 2: very best in the NFL. I want to be going

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Speaker 2: every year thinking they're legitimate title contenders. I didn't feel

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00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: that way this year. I'm not going to feel that

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Speaker 2: way next year. When's the next time I will feel

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Speaker 2: that way with this guy as quarterback because he ain't

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Speaker 2: going to be here forever.

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Speaker 12: Is this offense? I know you gotta go? Is this

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00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 12: offensive line better than the offensive line that was much

1116
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 12: demanded criticized that went to the Super Bowl? Is this

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00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 12: line better?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yes, yes I think so, Mike, Thanks very

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Speaker 2: much for the phone. Yes, this offensive that's not a

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Speaker 2: very high bar to clear. That offensive line they had

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl is probably the worst offensive line

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Speaker 2: to ever play in a Super Bowl. There were a

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Speaker 2: lot of guys in that offensive line, I think two

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Speaker 2: who never played in another NFL game. This offensive line

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Speaker 2: has got its moments. Flacco has made it look good.

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Speaker 2: It's been better in the run game. Flacco being under center,

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Speaker 2: I think has a lot to do with that. Sure,

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Speaker 2: Like don't don't make, don't allow all the stuff they

1130
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Speaker 2: have to fix on defense, make you think that you

1131
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: know what they're good On the offense, they're not. Again,

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Speaker 2: this offense line got Joe Burrow hurt Game two. That

1133
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: is a consistent theme, hits and injuries to the quarterback

1134
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: playing behind a below average offensive line. Orlando Brown's not

1135
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Speaker 2: getting any younger. Ted Carris is not getting any younger.

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Speaker 4: Neither.

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Speaker 2: Am I twenty nine from five o'clock Amy Wagner on

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1157
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Speaker 2: so to speak with all the different game threes between Friday,

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1159
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1160
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Speaker 2: first it's Wednesday, which means we chat with our friend

1161
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Speaker 2: from Dean Dorton Private Wealth wealth advisor Amy Wagner to

1162
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: talk sports and money and we get you in studio,

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Speaker 2: which is the best. How's it going good?

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Speaker 13: To be here.

1165
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Speaker 14: I thought we were going to talk for this entire

1166
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 14: whatever ten minutes about the Colin Chandler dunk.

1167
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: Yes, you're excited about that, and you should be excited

1168
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: about that.

1169
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 14: That was fun for any UK basketball fans out there.

1170
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 14: That's a nice fun start to the season.

1171
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Speaker 2: They're pretty good last night. Play Louisville next Tuesday, which

1172
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: is going to be interesting because it's so early in

1173
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: the calendar. But the Wildcats are going to be good

1174
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: this year. So are the Cardinals. It's exciting.

1175
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 14: No one has any insight into why that game is

1176
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 14: so particularly early. It usually happens between Christmas and New Year's.

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Speaker 14: I am a house divided. Yeah, my husband is a

1178
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 14: Cardinals grant. I'm a Cat's fan and a grad.

1179
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: So I don't understand. I don't know. I've asked every

1180
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: UK or a Louisville fan. I know, Like, why are

1181
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: they playing before they play the football game against each other?

1182
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Speaker 16: It's weirdly.

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Speaker 14: It makes the game weirdly somewhat irrelevant, except for at

1184
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 14: least in my house, it's very relevant.

1185
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to say irrelevant, but I wish

1186
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: it really early. It's too early, especially in this era

1187
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: where you don't know. You know less about teams early

1188
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: in the season now than you used to, and these

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01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: games are more fun when you know more about the teams.

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Speaker 14: Yes, well, you know this is the annual time of

1191
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 14: the year when as a UK fan you have to

1192
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 14: learn all the new names of all the new players.

1193
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 14: But I have literally been doing this since I was

1194
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 14: in high school as a UK fan. Now, with a

1195
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 14: transfer portal and NIL, everyone.

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Speaker 2: Has to do well.

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Speaker 14: UK basketball, Welcome to the party everyone, Like you know,

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Speaker 14: it's October, it's November. You have to learn the name

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Speaker 14: of your college basketball players because they don't stick around

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01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 14: for more than a hot minute.

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Speaker 2: This is true. So a huge part of that component

1202
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: is name, image and likeness. Ye, and I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about this from a high school perspective because now

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Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio, and there are many other

1205
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Speaker 2: who many others who are doing the exact same thing,

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Speaker 2: But now in the state of Ohio, athletes are apparently

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Speaker 2: going to be able to benefit from NIL. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a thing. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 14: In fact, Ohio was kind of one of the last holdouts,

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Speaker 14: one of only six states that was not well allowing

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Speaker 14: high school athletes to benefit from NIL. Actually the mom

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Speaker 14: of a seventeen year old junior standout wide receiver already

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Speaker 14: committed to Ohio state.

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Speaker 16: Put a lawsuit in for.

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Speaker 14: Him, and the judge then issued a temporary restraining order

1216
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 14: against the mandate that you could not benefit in this

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Speaker 14: state of Ohio.

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Speaker 16: So here's the deal.

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Speaker 14: The NASH or the Ohio High School Athletic Association was

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Speaker 14: set to vote on this next May anyway, so the

1221
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 14: writing was kind of already on the wall that this

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Speaker 14: was going to change, but this temporary restraining order then

1223
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Speaker 14: kind of pushed that timeline up a bit. So now

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Speaker 14: they're actually voting later this month. Everyone believes that this

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Speaker 14: will actually pass. Now in twenty twenty two, when it

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01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 14: came before those who vote, everyone was like, no, now

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Speaker 14: I think it's like, okay, everyone's already doing.

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Speaker 16: This now to varying degrees.

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Speaker 14: So in this state of Texas, the way that NIL

1230
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Speaker 14: works for high school students is you have to be

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Speaker 14: at least seventeen, you have to be at l least

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Speaker 14: a high school senior, and you cannot get any of

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Speaker 14: that money until you.

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Speaker 16: Have enrolled in a college.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So each state.

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Speaker 14: Is dealing with this somewhat differently, right, there's not a

1237
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 14: national way. But one interesting thing that Ohio has done

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Speaker 14: is they are now partnering with a firm called Influential Athlete.

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Speaker 14: A lot of other states have used this, and this

1240
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 14: is where they kind of come in. It's a firm

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01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 14: that comes in and kind of educates high schools, athletic directors,

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01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 14: coaches parents on NIL, how it works, how to use

1243
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Speaker 14: it to your benefit, the pitfalls to look out for. So,

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Speaker 14: as someone who is a huge proponent of financial literacy,

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Speaker 14: I'm glad that we're not like dumping thousands of dollars

1246
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 14: in high school athletes pockets and then say like, good luck,

1247
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Speaker 14: figure this out.

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Speaker 16: On your own. So I think that's a step in

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Speaker 16: the right direction.

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Speaker 2: So here's my question. So high school athletes can get

1251
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: NIL deals, but can other could like some whre's great

1252
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: a drama or in the band, or there's something else

1253
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: some other activity, can they get NIL?

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Speaker 16: I mean, we're not there yet. That I get that

1255
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 16: I have seen, but I'm going to make want everybody

1256
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Speaker 16: to get paid.

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Speaker 14: I mean, I was one heck of a clarinet player

1258
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 14: in middle school and I can't believe no one ever made.

1259
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Speaker 16: An offer to me.

1260
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, uh, you know.

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Speaker 14: I mean this is you know, these are the dominoes

1262
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Speaker 14: that are starting to fall, and it's just a whole

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Speaker 14: new world, you know. I mean, it wasn't that long

1264
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Speaker 14: ago that parents were putting Listen, we were all put

1265
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Speaker 14: if your kid plays a sport at any kind of

1266
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Speaker 14: somewhat competitive level, you're paying a ridiculous amount of money,

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Speaker 14: right and so for the longest time, it was like

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Speaker 14: your hope was that your kid might get some college

1269
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 14: tuition pay for because you've more than paid for that upfront.

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Speaker 16: Lessons, training, conditioning, all the things. This is a slight

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Speaker 16: twist on that.

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Speaker 14: Right now, now you're student, your kid could be making

1273
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Speaker 14: money in high school. Now listen, we're not talking major

1274
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 14: dollar signs. I was looking today. I think of those

1275
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 14: reporting there's a handful of kids or less that are

1276
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 14: making over a million dollars in high school. But listen,

1277
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 14: you know, my son is getting a new job as

1278
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 14: a busser at Summit Hill's country club. Like, he's not

1279
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 14: going to make that kind of money the likely these

1280
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 14: athletes are. So you know, for parents who have standout athletes,

1281
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 14: make sure you're having these conversations. You and I've talked

1282
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 14: about this on the collegiate level. Like one consideration is taxes. Yes, right,

1283
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 14: you're going to have to pay money. You're to pay

1284
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 14: tax on this money that you're making. And another thing

1285
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 14: and parents, this is like how I think is the

1286
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 14: best way to look at this money. Of you have

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 14: a seventeen year old and eighteen year old, how do

1288
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 14: you make the longest term difference in their lives? You

1289
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,959
Speaker 14: can actually open a roth ira. And to your point,

1290
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 14: you can do this, you know it has doesn't have

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Speaker 14: to be with nil money. It's any earned money that

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Speaker 14: someone has. Right, So if your kid is mowing lawns

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Speaker 14: or babysitting, you can open.

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Speaker 16: A custodial wroth ira for them.

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Speaker 14: They can put up to seven thousand dollars a year

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Speaker 14: in it, up to the amount that they've actually made.

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Speaker 16: So that's a great way.

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Speaker 14: They're paying taxes on it now they're probably in a

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Speaker 14: pretty low tax bracket, right, and then that money is

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Speaker 14: invested and it can grow and talk about a difference

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Speaker 14: by the time they get to retirement.

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Speaker 16: That's a great use of that money.

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Speaker 2: See this is why I wish you know you were

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Speaker 2: in my life when I was in high school busing

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Speaker 2: tables at Beale Street Cafe, because I would get my

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Speaker 2: chil'll be retired by now, I would be Nobody was

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Speaker 2: telling me put that in a rawthire. All I would

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Speaker 2: do is give my money to someone who was over

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Speaker 2: the age of twenty one, and they weren't investing in

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Speaker 2: it for me, you know, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there was to be fair.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I obviously live in a household where we talk

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Speaker 14: about these money situations quite often.

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Speaker 16: It is normal dinner table conversation.

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Speaker 14: We have three now four when he starts working, kids

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Speaker 14: who are making you know, salaries, who have jobs, and

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Speaker 14: so we offered, Hey, up to a certain amount, if

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Speaker 14: you put money into a roth Ira, we will match you.

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Speaker 14: Of the three children who have been working, not a

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Speaker 14: single one of them have taken us up on that offer.

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Speaker 16: It's like, what kind of introducing them to the concept

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Speaker 16: of the company match?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 14: And I say, like, you're literally turning down free money. Well,

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Speaker 14: our kids have all turned down free money from us,

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Speaker 14: not understanding Hey, Chipotle or that new whatever probably will

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Speaker 14: not have the lasting impact of a roth Ira. So

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Speaker 14: we were even talking about it, trying to educate our

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Speaker 14: kids on it. You know, not the easiest thing for

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Speaker 14: them to understand right now.

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Speaker 16: But we're working on it.

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Speaker 2: You are working on it. There's one other thing I

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Speaker 2: want to talk about. You joined me a month or

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Speaker 2: so ago, and we were talking about especially with like

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Speaker 2: football season starting streaming, and you know, it's harder and

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Speaker 2: harder to be a sports fan if you love all sports.

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Speaker 2: Because of Peacock, Netflix, Amazon Prime, ESPN plus Paramount Hulu,

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Speaker 2: I have to as a UC basketball fan, I've already

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Speaker 2: started to think about all the stuff I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: to subscribe to. So now, in this world, a lot

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Speaker 2: of folks have YouTube TV, right, and so YouTube TV

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Speaker 2: and ESPN are in a fight with each other. Where

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Speaker 2: YouTube TV has dropped ESPN, they've dropped ABC. And so

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Speaker 2: a common friend of ours last night text me because

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Speaker 2: he wanted to watch the Kentucky game. Could I get

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Speaker 2: your ESPN log in? Like, yeah, okay, Pally, yeah captain

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Speaker 2: YouTube TV over there. Yeah that big boy now, so

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Speaker 2: I so I hooked them up. This this just this

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Speaker 2: adds to it. It's and I'm not a YouTube TV subscriber,

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Speaker 2: but it is so frustrating. This though, this phenomenon not

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Speaker 2: necessarily now well.

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Speaker 16: It's insane.

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Speaker 14: First of all, that to watch even just even if

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Speaker 14: you're just an NFL fan, right, we've talked about this

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Speaker 14: Thursday night package is on a different thing Amazon, Yes.

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Speaker 14: And then what you're gonna watch on the weekends. And

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Speaker 14: then oh, if you want to watch the games on Christmas.

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Speaker 16: Eve or whatever, that's just Netflix.

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 14: Like so it's insane the number of so you finally

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Speaker 14: feel like, okay, we've got the streaming system down right,

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Speaker 14: and then you have a breakdown between Google, Yeah, and

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Speaker 14: Walt Disney parent companies are both and now suddenly you

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Speaker 14: can't watch what you want.

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Speaker 16: I've seen. Hey, it's impacting NBA games. Hey, it's impacting.

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Speaker 2: College Monday night football.

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Speaker 14: You know the interesting thing is you know, okay, so

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Speaker 14: what's the workaround? Okay, Well, you can change your pay

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Speaker 14: TV provider. You could go to like a Hulu, or

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Speaker 14: you could add direct to consumer streaming account. Guess what

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Speaker 14: either of those things are going to cost you more.

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Speaker 16: You would be adding more subscriptions to most of us

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Speaker 16: have already way.

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Speaker 2: Too many, too many with it.

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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, and doesn't seem like there's an end in

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Speaker 14: this insight Now, as someone who has been on local

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Speaker 14: TV for a long time, I have been in many

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Speaker 14: newsrooms where there was breakdowns between whatever cable provider and

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Speaker 14: the local network and all the things, and you know,

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Speaker 14: the people wanted to watch whatever it was that they

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Speaker 14: wanted to watch, and the newsroom lines would be bringing

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Speaker 14: off to hook. This is kind of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 14: five version of that. I mean, we'll see if they

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Speaker 14: come to an agreement anytime soon, but in the meantime,

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Speaker 14: I get it. It's frustrating and costly.

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Speaker 2: Extraordinarily, and the viewer always loses, right, The viewer always

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Speaker 2: losesn't so like you might say, well, then you know,

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Speaker 2: bounce to aulta fiber or Spectrum or just get the

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Speaker 2: ESPN app. It's there's no guarantee, especially if you bounce

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Speaker 2: to another provider, there's not to be some sort of

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Speaker 2: carriage dispute with them involving another network. It's just that,

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Speaker 2: to me is the one that's so frustrating, especially when

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Speaker 2: you it's these two mammoth behemens, right, Google and Disney.

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Speaker 2: There's enough money there, can't you just figure it out

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01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: so I could watch Monday night football and the Kentucky

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Speaker 2: game without having to borrow somebody's password.

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Speaker 14: I'm sure you've seen that Pat McAfee's comments about like

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Speaker 14: KM and it's like he gets paid from one of like.

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Speaker 16: One of these.

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Speaker 14: He's the ESPN guy, right and so, and he's like, listen, everyone,

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Speaker 14: let's put down your swords. People love sports. Can we

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Speaker 14: let them watch sports? And I appreciate someone who has

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Speaker 14: that kind of a platform speaking up and saying this

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01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 14: is absolutely ridiculous to line the pockets of pockets that

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Speaker 14: are already overflowing.

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Speaker 2: You know, you know, just FYI radio broadcast of games

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Speaker 2: always free.

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Speaker 12: There you go.

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app absolutely free.

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Speaker 16: You know, no fail, no miss. And by the way,

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Speaker 16: the best commentary you could ever get.

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Speaker 2: Lance and Tony are great. Yeah, with no carriage disputes.

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Speaker 2: We just we give you the games and we don't

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Speaker 2: put you in the middle. That's why radio is better.

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Speaker 2: Amy Wanger, though, is the best. Deandortonwealth dot Com. We

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Speaker 2: will We'll see you next week.

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Speaker 16: Appreciate that segue better to best.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 16: This report is sponsors Who's enjoying us of water from

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Speaker 16: a cup?

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Speaker 2: A little bit of a new era here at the

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Speaker 2: radio station where now if you visit the radio station,

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Speaker 2: if you if you are a guest on air or off,

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Speaker 2: we now without any hesitation, can offer you something to drink.

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Speaker 2: It it's water. But but for for a while now,

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Speaker 2: if you have shown up at the radio station and

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Speaker 2: someone says, would you like would you like a would

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Speaker 2: you like something to drink? It's been fifty to fifty

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Speaker 2: as to whether or not we have cups. But this

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Speaker 2: this week it's been it's been a sharp departure, cup

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Speaker 2: after cup after cup after cup. I might take some

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Speaker 2: cups home. I could have given a whole sleeve of

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Speaker 2: cups to Amy before she took off. So just I

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Speaker 2: just need to you know, it's something. It's it's fun

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Speaker 2: sometimes to pull back the curtain. And if we do

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Speaker 2: that here today, you will find a whole army of

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Speaker 2: staffers here, including myself, just elated over the fact that

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Speaker 2: we could we could drink out of What we were

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Speaker 2: having to do is pour water into our hands and

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Speaker 2: drink it like you're in a lake or something. Not now,

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Speaker 2: actual cups to put beverages in, especially for our guests.

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Speaker 2: This is you do not know. You do not know

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Speaker 2: how difficult it has been for a very long time

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Speaker 2: now to be able to successfully procure cups for the office.

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Speaker 2: And now we have cups. I will I will probably

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Speaker 2: not outlive our cup supply. That's how many cups we have,

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Speaker 2: and it is glorious. I've worked here twenty eight years.

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Speaker 2: This is probably the happiest I've ever seen my coworkers

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Speaker 2: just over the sheer volume of cups and I just

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get that out of the way. What

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Speaker 2: do we have five to four now away from six o'clock.

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Speaker 2: That might be my favorite segment I've done in a year.

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Speaker 2: Five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. There are

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Speaker 2: very few things I do for myself on this radio

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Speaker 2: show that that little seventy five seconds of theater was

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Speaker 2: on that list. We have to we have to put

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Speaker 2: a poll question on Twitter at it might be cup related.

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. At Mullager. Five point three seven

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty is our phone number. We've we've talked a

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Speaker 2: lot about Trey Hendrickson and and we'll do some some

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Speaker 2: more today. Bengals did not trade him. Duke Tobin hasn't

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Speaker 2: been fired.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: The Internet went crazy yesterday because Mike Florio suggested that

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Speaker 2: it's at least a possibility. But he hasn't been fired.

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Speaker 2: A lot of folks want Duke Tobin fired, and I

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Speaker 2: understand it. I'm ready for I'm ready for a reset,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think we're gonna get a reset even

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Speaker 2: if Duke gets fired. We'll get to that coming up.

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Speaker 2: Uh in just a few minutes. I'm gonna take a

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Speaker 2: few more six, A few more SIPs, huh, A few

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Speaker 2: more SIPs out of this cup. It's coming up on

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Speaker 2: five o'clock. My name is Mawegar. Richard Skinner's gonna join us.

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Speaker 2: had a bud light here in student which quite frankly

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01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 2: I should, you would be able to pour it in

1505
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: a cup. And that is a sharp departure from the

1506
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 2: way things have been here for quite a while. So

1507
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 2: we're in the cups era now. Okay, butt Light and

1508
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: especially if it's your Friday, which it is for me,

1509
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 2: the bud Light five o'clock happy hour, as the kids say,

1510
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: just hits different.

1511
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 7: Uh.

1512
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: We've got folks waiting on hold. I do not want

1513
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 2: to make them wait. But first I'm going to hit

1514
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 2: the cough button to s kneeze, tear and be ready,

1515
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: I hit the cough button. His knees dead, thank you

1516
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: very much. Dead air is I didn't want to sneeze

1517
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: into the microphone. Dead air is a little bit of

1518
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: a deadly sin in this business. But it was that

1519
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 2: beat me, just sneezing into the mic. Yeah, then we didn't.

1520
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 2: We didn't want to blame you for again, Tony sick. Correct.

1521
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 2: I also didn't sneeze like I did that the proper thing,

1522
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,799
Speaker 2: which is, you know, I turned my head away, covered

1523
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 2: my face because that's what you're supposed to do. I'm

1524
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: an adult and and I didn't want to do that

1525
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 2: into the microphone itself. Richard Skinner from a local twelve

1526
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 2: is going to join us to chat about the Cincinnati Bengals.

1527
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 2: Will also talk Joe Flacco's injury, Sam ajp Ruyn's injury,

1528
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 2: and the one suffered by jayde Daniels and the Commanders

1529
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 2: which was totally avoidable. That coming up in about thirty

1530
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: minutes with one of the experts from Ortho Cincy plus

1531
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 2: Steve Caangelosi. Apple TV MLS Season Pass has the game Saturday,

1532
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati versus Columbus. So there you go. But I

1533
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 2: don't want to make people wait any longer because something

1534
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: has compelled folks to call this sports talk radio show,

1535
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 2: and I do not know what it is. Dave, You're

1536
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,600
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Dave, Good afternoon. How are you?

1537
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm good, Mo, how are you?

1538
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm well, what's up?

1539
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 13: Well?

1540
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 17: I wanted to tell you want to know why people

1541
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 17: call a well, how can you not call after such

1542
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 17: a compelling drinkware segment?

1543
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 4: And I have a revenue idea for you. Yeah, sure,

1544
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 4: don't just make.

1545
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 17: This a one off. This should be a regular update

1546
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 17: and you call it at most cup checked.

1547
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 2: And and we're we're we're talking about drinking receptacles.

1548
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 17: Correct, Well, it is a sports show, So I don't know,

1549
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 17: but yeah, probably yeah, but think of the sponsor opportunities

1550
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 17: Dixie Dixie Cups, Red Solo Cups, you do a whole

1551
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 17: hockey segment, the Stanley Cups.

1552
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of ways you can go and local, well,

1553
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: thank you very much. You know, there's the Ohio Cup

1554
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: that the Reds and Guardians play for. There's the Kelly Cup,

1555
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:42,599
Speaker 2: which hopefully the Cyclones win this season. I'm I'm having

1556
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 2: fun with the fact that for a while, at various points,

1557
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: and I know nobody cares, but at various points during

1558
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: our time here, if you wanted something to drink, and

1559
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 2: in particular, if you had a guest in studio and

1560
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 2: you wanted to offer them some to drink, you would

1561
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: have to tell them like, hey, and you're weighing, can

1562
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: you pick up some cups? And now are cups dash?

1563
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 2: We are fully stocked with cups, so much so that

1564
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: I have actually used two during the show today. That

1565
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 2: feels excessive and wasteful, but I cannot help myself. We're

1566
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 2: o a cups.

1567
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 4: I know who to look to.

1568
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, blame me. It got to the point where

1569
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 2: for a while, when we would get cups, like you

1570
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 2: had to ration them. I would steal a sleeve and

1571
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 2: put them in here and put them hide them under

1572
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 2: the table that we work from, and not for myself either.

1573
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 2: Just so if you had somebody in studio and you're like, hey,

1574
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna be on the air with me, might want

1575
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 2: to drink something. I had a cup for you, and

1576
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 2: we have rectified that here. We now there might be

1577
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: a try state cut good, try state cups shortage, which

1578
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: is not easy for me to say a try state

1579
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 2: cups shortage because we have hoarded all the cups here.

1580
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 2: So now if you want to drink a water, if

1581
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: you want a cup of coffee, we have a cup

1582
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: for you. Let's talk to somebody else now, Dave, you're

1583
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty high, Dave.

1584
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 18: Heym, glad you have cups.

1585
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 17: I'm so happy for you.

1586
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: You know the basics of an office. I think you

1587
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: need garbage cans, you obviously need need working men's and

1588
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: women's restrooms, and I think you need cups. I think

1589
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 2: if you have those three things you can have in office.

1590
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 18: Absolutely. I agree one hundred percent. So I lived down

1591
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 18: here in Florida, so I get all my information with

1592
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 18: listening to you guys on iHeart, and I listened to

1593
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 18: you know, all the podcasts and all that stuff. So, uh,

1594
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 18: you know, all the talk's been about, you know, we

1595
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 18: got Tobin's on the hot seat, he's got to go,

1596
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 18: possibly his acts gotta go. And we've been talking about

1597
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 18: this and I've been you know, I'm fifty five. I've

1598
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 18: been a Bangle fan my whole life. And we've been

1599
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 18: talking about the same stuff since nineteen eighty eight, when

1600
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 18: one particular person took over the football team.

1601
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 15: And there's a.

1602
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 18: Common thread of this thing. Every year first since nineteen

1603
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 18: eighty eight, it's the same thing. We go through a coach,

1604
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:22,560
Speaker 18: we go through defensive coordinators, we go through offensive coordinators,

1605
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 18: and it's the same outcome year in year out. We've

1606
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 18: been to one Super Bowl since nineteen eighty eight. At

1607
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 18: what point are we going to just say, look, the

1608
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 18: guy that owns the team is just doesn't I mean,

1609
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 18: I honestly don't think he cares whether they you know,

1610
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 18: they win football games, I mean they He just sits

1611
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 18: on his hands all the time. And yes, I'll give

1612
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 18: you that, he's paid Jamar, and he paid Joe, and

1613
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 18: he paid Tea and all that. But he didn't have

1614
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 18: a choice other than to pay Jamar, because then you

1615
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 18: wouldn't have sixty five thousand people down there watching football games.

1616
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 18: So I mean getting rid of getting rid of Tobin,

1617
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 18: I'm I'm I'm all on board with that. Fine, great,

1618
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 18: getting rid of that. Okay, I'm all on board with that.

1619
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 18: But at some point we got to put the put

1620
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 18: the main part of this back on ownership.

1621
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: You're you're one hundred percent right, And by the way, frankly,

1622
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that goes back to before, uh,

1623
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight. But but yeah, there's no getting around that.

1624
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 2: I think for me though, you could acknowledge that. But

1625
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 2: that's the part that's not going to change, right, That's

1626
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 2: that's the part ownership is not going to change. Now,

1627
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: they they can evolve, and they can give larger roles

1628
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 2: to to folks like Elizabeth Blackburn, and obviously Katie has

1629
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 2: a huge role with this franchise. But I think the

1630
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 2: the overall sort of philosophy that they use to run

1631
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 2: the football team, the overarching ones are probably not going

1632
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: to change all that much. And so I guess from

1633
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 2: my perspective, it's like I could acknowledge that every single day,

1634
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: and then after about the third day, it's like, all right,

1635
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 2: what else there are other things that can happen. There

1636
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 2: are other things that the team can do, and so yeah,

1637
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 2: we all acknowledge there are certain basic philosophical things that

1638
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 2: the Bengals adhere to that probably get in the way

1639
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,560
Speaker 2: of this franchise having success. Once you acknowledge that, I

1640
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 2: think it's fair to then go, Okay, within that framework

1641
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 2: that Bengals ownership has set, how can they do better?

1642
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: And we talk about, you know, embracing analytics at analytics people,

1643
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,840
Speaker 2: we talk about expanding the scouting department. Okay, do that

1644
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 2: they've done that to a degree, not nearly to the

1645
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: extent that they probably should. And then is there a

1646
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: better way of doing things beyond Duke Tobin being in

1647
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 2: charge of the roster?

1648
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 19: Well, I agree with that, But I mean the other

1649
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 19: part of this is is, you know, we're and again

1650
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 19: I'm not defending Duke Tobin in any way, sure, but

1651
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 19: but you know, we said, and we hear, you.

1652
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 18: Know, well, he's in charge of building the roster and

1653
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 18: all that kind of stuff, But ultimately, Mike Brown's pain

1654
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 18: is writing the checks. So you know, it's like in

1655
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 18: my business. You know, I'm a golf professional down here

1656
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 18: in Florida. So if my owner tells me that he

1657
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 18: wants us to bring in this particular shirt, and because

1658
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 18: it's cheaper, I am not going. I can't defy what

1659
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 18: he wants because he's writing the checks. And it's the

1660
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 18: same thing I mean. And it's the same way with

1661
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 18: the Reds. I mean, Cassolini's writing the checks. Crawl's only

1662
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 18: doing what he's told you know.

1663
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: So again, I don't know. I don't know that if

1664
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 2: you look at this team specifically, I would be willing

1665
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 2: to bet that Mike Brown didn't sit Duke Tobin down

1666
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 2: and go, hey, don't touch the defense this offseason. I'm

1667
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 2: going to guess that the directive was, we've got to

1668
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: be better on defense. Do what you gotta do. Hey,

1669
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 2: we're going to throw money at Tea and Jamar. We're

1670
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 2: already paying Joe and so you're not gonna be able

1671
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: to write a blank check to anybody on defense. My

1672
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 2: issue is it's the results, but it's the lack of

1673
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: trying for something different in an area of the team

1674
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 2: that was deficient last year. I don't believe for a

1675
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 2: second that Mike Brown or Katie Blackburn or Troy Blackburner

1676
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: or anybody in the family said to him, Hey, look,

1677
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: leave those safeties alone. Don't add another safety. I believe

1678
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: if Duke Tobin wanted to draft a safety, he was

1679
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 2: allowed to draft a safety. If he wanted to go

1680
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 2: sign a safety, might not have been the best guy available.

1681
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 2: But if he wanted to sign a safety, I cannot

1682
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: imagine Mike Brown would have said, no, you're not signing

1683
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 2: a safety. I do think there's a level of leeway

1684
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 2: that Duke Tobin has that he should be accountable for.

1685
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 2: And so I look at the defense last year, nobody

1686
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: was talking about Duke Tobin. It was all lou Anirumo, Right,

1687
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 2: lou can't figure it out with these younger players. Okay,

1688
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,560
Speaker 2: we'll take that denominator away. Duke didn't do anything with

1689
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 2: the roster. He added some players, nobody who's made a

1690
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: major impact. He let two areas go totally unaddressed. That

1691
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 2: specifically is on him, and I think that's the issue

1692
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 2: that people have. Look, Duke Tobin's had free reign to

1693
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 2: throw money at the defense before, and when he's done it,

1694
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 2: he's had success. We've talked about it a lot this week.

1695
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, that defense that was so instrumental

1696
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 2: in getting them to the Super Bowl. Duke Tobin could

1697
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: just spend on it because they had a quarterback under

1698
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 2: a rookie contract. They had no other good players to pay,

1699
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: and so armed with the ability to just spend, they overpaid.

1700
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: People said for DJ Reader, they overpaid. People said for

1701
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson. They gave a lot of money to Mike

1702
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: Hilton and Von Bell and Judoba Woozie collectively. The way

1703
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 2: they build the team moving forward has to change. They've

1704
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: got to do it on defense, specifically using the draft,

1705
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 2: using smart free agent signings. I believe Duke Tobin was

1706
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 2: given free reign when it comes to all of those things,

1707
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 2: and he has failed, and I think it's fair to

1708
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: hold him accountable for that, acknowledging that if he worked

1709
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 2: for a different franchise, maybe he would be armed with

1710
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 2: more recent versus to do the same job.

1711
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,600
Speaker 18: I know, I'm totally I totally am agreeing with the

1712
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 18: way I mean, I agree with what you're saying. I

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01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 18: still go back to the fact that, you know, ownership

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01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 18: has a lot to do with the way the way

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01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 18: of this organization. You're in and you're out, and we're

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01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 18: as fans, we're constantly pulling our hair out and ready

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01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 18: to just jump off a bridge something. It's just it's maddening.

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01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 18: It's absolutely maddening.

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01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,719
Speaker 2: Yes, no, there's no doubt about it, Dave, I appreciate

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01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 2: the phone call. Man, it is it is maddening. And look,

1721
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: you certainly will not get me to look past the

1722
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 2: role of ownership in any Bengals or Red's failure. But again,

1723
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 2: like specifically with this team. I've hosted this show for

1724
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 2: eighteen years now. Over the last three weeks, this is

1725
01:29:54,120 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: the most we've ever talked about Duke Tobin ever, ever, ever,

1726
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 2: in good times and bad ever. It's because of what

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01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 2: he didn't do to last year's defense and how it's

1728
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: torpedoed their chances this season. I do not believe for

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01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: a second that if Duke Tobin wanted to add a

1730
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 2: safety that Mike or Katie or Troy would have said no.

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01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. I don't believe that if Duke

1732
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 2: Tobin wanted to draft different players on defense than he did,

1733
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 2: that Mike or Katie or Troy would have said no.

1734
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,679
Speaker 2: Like he's asked to draft defensive players that you want

1735
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 2: to sign to a second contract. He has failed miserably.

1736
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 2: So two things can be true at the same time,

1737
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 2: there is a there are things you there are there

1738
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 2: are certain parameters you have to work within when you

1739
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: work for the Since that he bengals, everybody acknowledges that,

1740
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 2: but within those parameters you could still be held accountable

1741
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 2: when you fail. When it comes to building the defense.

1742
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin has failed, the question becomes how many more

1743
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: times do you let him fail before you go and

1744
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 2: find somebody else?

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Speaker 2: Richard Skinner joins us on Wednesdays Local twelve, Local twelve

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Speaker 2: dot com and host of the Skinny Podcasts, where last

1760
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 2: week he ranked people on a list that I submitted

1761
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,600
Speaker 2: that included Milk Thompson, Justin Bateman, and Lenny Randall. I

1762
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 2: enjoyed the rankings. What's going on?

1763
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 12: How's it going?

1764
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 15: Let me be the YOUMP team person to make the

1765
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 15: joke that, yes, the Bengals are indeed four and a

1766
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 15: half point.

1767
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 2: Underdog to buy this week.

1768
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 12: So there you go.

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01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, well done, very good. Yeah, there'll be a lot

1770
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 2: of that on on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure. Do

1771
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 2: you have a major takeaway from what did and didn't

1772
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 2: happen at the trade.

1773
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 15: Deadline they were coming about today? I mean it makes

1774
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 15: you wonder, you know, just what are they doing? You know,

1775
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 15: if this is their whole thing? We're not waving the

1776
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 15: white flag on this season? Well, I mean be realistic, man,

1777
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 15: I mean this is this team is trending far more

1778
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 15: towards being a team with a losing record that it

1779
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 15: is to a playoff team. And oh, by the way,

1780
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 15: if you if you're not waving the white flag by

1781
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:08,799
Speaker 15: not making trades, you know, trades trades out. Then wouldn't

1782
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 15: you look to maybe get a player or two to

1783
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 15: trade in. I mean, it's not like you don't need

1784
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 15: safety help or defensive line help or cornerback help or

1785
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 15: anything like that, right mm.

1786
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah, No, wouldn't want to address any of those positions.

1787
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 15: I no, I, I just don't understand what you're doing here.

1788
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 15: You know, what's the point of hanging on to Trey

1789
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 15: Henderson if you got even if you only got a

1790
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 15: third as an offer, and you can say, well, that's

1791
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 15: probably what you get as a Comppic. Yeah, but you're

1792
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 15: almost gonna have to sign so many free agents yourself

1793
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 15: this off season that Compi's not even gonna materialize.

1794
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 4: So what are you doing?

1795
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 15: And listen?

1796
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 10: Who answers for this?

1797
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 15: You know we made I don't Paul talked about this yester.

1798
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 5: Now.

1799
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 15: We made a formal request to talk to Duke Tobin

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01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 15: this week and he was not made available. So you

1801
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 15: know who's the answer for this? They tried the head

1802
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 15: coach up.

1803
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,760
Speaker 12: There to answer Forton. He can't answer these questions because

1804
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 12: it's not his decisions to make I.

1805
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 2: Just feel like, and I say this, if I'm Duke

1806
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: Tobin as a human being, I go, my guy, Zach

1807
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 2: is out there three times a week answering questions for

1808
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 2: a thing that he for, things that he largely isn't

1809
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 2: responsible for, and we're having a Chase Brown and Jamar

1810
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 2: Chase answer questions about a defense that I built. Just

1811
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 2: as a human being, I would go, you know, what's screwed.

1812
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,800
Speaker 2: It's the bye week. I'll take the heat, I'll take

1813
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 2: the questions. I might not provide satisfactory answers like that.

1814
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 2: To me, I would think so much more highly of

1815
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 2: him if he said, screw it, I'm going to show

1816
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 2: up on Wednesday during the bye ask away about this roster.

1817
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: And there's none of that.

1818
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 15: No, the other part two just the simple answer of

1819
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 15: you know, did you guys try to make some deals?

1820
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 15: And I don't even to know specifics. If it's just hey,

1821
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 15: we tried. We just we couldn't find any It really

1822
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 15: worked for us. We couldn't find players. That's great. I

1823
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 15: have no prominent but we don't even get that. So

1824
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,639
Speaker 15: then it comes to the point of you're a columnist,

1825
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 15: that's your turn to take a shot. And you gave

1826
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 15: them the fair opportunity to respond, and.

1827
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 4: They chose not to.

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01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 2: Uh, we've heard offensive players try to be diplomatic, and

1829
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 2: they're becoming less and less diplomatic as the.

1830
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 7: We go by.

1831
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 2: How close to a breaking point are we when it

1832
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 2: comes to the locker room dynamic.

1833
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think it was a one off with Chase Brown.

1834
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 15: I do, And I mean I think that I know

1835
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 15: people you know, got on Zach for saying something about

1836
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 15: Chase Brown. I think he was right.

1837
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:14,719
Speaker 12: I mean, let's not forget early.

1838
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 15: In that football game, on a crossing route Chase Brown

1839
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 15: dropped the ball would have been a first down, might

1840
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 15: have even been a touchdown, and instead that's four points

1841
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 15: off the board.

1842
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 12: And so you know, listen, if.

1843
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 15: You're gonna play them on the other side of the ball,

1844
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 15: you better dagg On will be doing your job of

1845
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 15: the full extent.

1846
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 12: I get the frustration.

1847
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 14: I do.

1848
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 12: I honestly thought.

1849
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 15: Jamar was gonna was gonna snap about three or four

1850
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 15: losses ago. I can try to remember what ugly loss

1851
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 15: I was. Might be a Denver lost Monday night loss

1852
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 15: where the Elis scored three points and he didn't, And

1853
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 15: I thought, okay, and I'll be I'll give him credit.

1854
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 15: He's you know, he's trying to get the answer. Now.

1855
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,720
Speaker 15: Hey man, I don't play defense, I play offense. Yeah,

1856
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 15: that's a good point. And I think he's trying as

1857
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 15: hard as he can to be a captain, to be

1858
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 15: a leader, you know, the guy that gets tried up

1859
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 15: there on Wednesdays and after games, and the quarterback Joe Flack.

1860
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 15: I don't think you'll ever hear him saying like that.

1861
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 15: So I don't think it's there, but I can understand

1862
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 15: if it is. I mean, you know, you score eighty

1863
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 15: points in two games. You scored thirty eight in a

1864
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 15: game and forty two in a game, you not only

1865
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 15: should not lose both, you should probably not lose either.

1866
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 15: So I get whatever popa frustration there is.

1867
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: How bad are the other safeties behind Jordan Battle and

1868
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 2: Ginostone bad?

1869
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 15: And that's the problem. They don't trust them to play

1870
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 15: either one of those guys, PJ. Jewels or Tyson Anderson.

1871
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 15: There's just special teams guys. They're there in case of

1872
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 15: a break glass, in case of emergency, and you could

1873
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,800
Speaker 15: argue maybe emergency level now, but yes, they just don't

1874
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 15: trust those guys at all. You know, Dejon Anthony's still

1875
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 15: stashed on IR I believe or puff one of those lists.

1876
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 15: They don't trust him either. So that's the part for

1877
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 15: me is you went in and we talked about this

1878
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,560
Speaker 15: ad nausee, but you went into training camp knowing you

1879
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 15: didn't really trust any of the safeties behind the two starters,

1880
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 15: let alone be able to trust the two starters, and

1881
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 15: you did nothing to address that, just even forget purposes,

1882
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 15: nothing whatsoever. And you're stuck with what you got right now.

1883
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 15: And if you thought that it was gonna get better

1884
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 15: just because it's a new year, well it hasn't gotten

1885
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 15: better just because it's a new year. I don't know

1886
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 15: if it's gotten worse, But after last year, I'm not

1887
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 15: so sure how much worse it could have gotten that group.

1888
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 2: What was it like to host a daily morning show

1889
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 2: with Bob Trumpy?

1890
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 15: It was interesting and so Tom Gamble and I did

1891
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 15: that for about a year. Came to really like Bob Trumpet,

1892
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 15: I really did. We had a lot of arguments on

1893
01:37:27,240 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 15: the air. There was one instance where he wouldn't back

1894
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 15: down from something I said. So as we went to break,

1895
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 15: I took my head set off and I tried to

1896
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 15: throw it at him, and it was still plugged in,

1897
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 15: and unfortunately it ricochet and hit Tom Gamble right in

1898
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 15: the head, so he could be frustrating. He knew, I

1899
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 15: think he knew that. I feel bad for this, that

1900
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 15: Tom and I were there to pretty much push him out.

1901
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 15: And I never wanted to be that way.

1902
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 18: I really didn't.

1903
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 15: I mean, I felt so honored to host the show

1904
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 15: with a guy I grew up, you know, listening to

1905
01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 15: literally every night of the week. And again once you know,

1906
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 15: we moved moved in and and you know, Bob was

1907
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 15: off the air. I saw him a few more times

1908
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 15: after day. Couldn't have been any better man. And then

1909
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 15: Lamp tells the story of him and his son. I

1910
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 15: when I had hit me, hit me pretty hard on me.

1911
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 15: I didn't know he was ailing. To be honest with you,

1912
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 15: I maybe you did.

1913
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 18: I shure certainly did not.

1914
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 15: So it it hit me hard, and and uh, you know,

1915
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 15: back to your original question, it was it was certainly

1916
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 15: an honor to do that with him. For the time

1917
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 15: I got to do that.

1918
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 2: I used to listen to that show every day and

1919
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 2: and it always it always sounded like two kids with

1920
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 2: their exasperated uncle. And I thought it was immensely entertaining.

1921
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,799
Speaker 4: Boy boys what we wear today.

1922
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Man, thanks so much. That's our guy,

1923
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: Richard Skinner from a Local twelve and Local twelve dot com.

1924
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Joe Flacco's shoulder and samaj p Ryan's ankle,

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Speaker 2: This is Dave Lappo and you're listening to the Home

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Speaker 2: of the Bengals espn st than the Bonnie Tyler Total

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Speaker 2: Eclipse with the heart Quite frankly, it's twenty one away

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Speaker 2: from six. We got injuries to talk about. We do

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Speaker 2: it every week with one of the experts from Ortho

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Speaker 2: Sincy Orthopedics and Sports Medicine. The great thing about Ortho

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Speaker 2: Sincy is they have specialists and locations all over the

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Speaker 2: tri State and this includes walk in orthopedic urgent care

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Speaker 2: at five locations with extended evening and weekend hours in

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Speaker 2: Edgewood and Anderson. You can learn more at Orthosincy dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's Ortho ci Ncy dot com. Doctor John Fritches with

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Speaker 2: us from Ortho Sincy. Let's begin by talking about samajp

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Speaker 2: Urin officially week to week with a high ankle sprain.

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Speaker 2: Let's begin with that, what's exactly a high ankle sprain

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Speaker 2: and how does it differ from a typical ankle sprain.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, good question. And so high ankle sprains happen above

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Speaker 13: the ankle joint. It's a little higher up on your

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Speaker 13: leg to do with the connection between your tibia and

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Speaker 13: fibula the lower leg bones, as opposed to a typical

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Speaker 13: ankle sprain, which has to do with the ligaments connecting

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Speaker 13: your leg bones to the foot bumtons, and so a

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Speaker 13: lit'll higher up.

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Speaker 2: So something like this. There's obviously different levels and severities

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Speaker 2: of high ankle sprains. What are they?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So severity of the high ankle sprains has to

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Speaker 13: do with the degree of instability that's caused by it.

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Speaker 13: So sprains are ultimate due to ultimately due to small

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Speaker 13: tears in your ligaments, and if those tears are bigger,

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Speaker 13: they tend to be more stable and more severe usually

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Speaker 13: cause greater amount of symptoms like pain with putting weight.

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Speaker 4: On your leg.

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Speaker 2: Is it a good sign that for Samage in particular,

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Speaker 2: that he was able to walk off the field under

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Speaker 2: his own power.

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Speaker 13: Yes, absolutely, I would think that if he had a

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Speaker 13: higher grade sprain that it would be difficult for him

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Speaker 13: to put weight on it, and so certainly reassuring.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Joe Flacco, who played on Sunday and

1982
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Speaker 2: played extraordinarily well, and Zach Taylor after the game said, look,

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Speaker 2: this was a guy who during the week couldn't lift

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Speaker 2: his arm, couldn't raise his hand like you would in

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Speaker 2: a classroom. He's dealing with a sprained ac joint. I

1986
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Speaker 2: just want to know this. How could you go from

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Speaker 2: not being able to raise your arm to being able

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Speaker 2: to hang forty two points on another team in an

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Speaker 2: NFL game.

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Speaker 13: I mean, it's certainly impressive. Yeah, I think he had some.

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Speaker 4: Good rehab and a milder injury.

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Speaker 13: Ac joined is the connection of your clavicle or collarbone

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Speaker 13: to the scapular or your shoulder blade. When they talk

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Speaker 13: about a shoulder separation. That's the kind of injury at

1995
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Speaker 13: my guess is says was a less severe one, so

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Speaker 13: that they've been able to kind of rehab him, pat

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Speaker 13: him up and get him feeling good enough to get

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Speaker 13: through because I mean, he had an amazing game last weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't play this weekend, which I'm sure helps,

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Speaker 2: But is this the sort of thing where he's just

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Speaker 2: going to have to figure out a way to manage

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Speaker 2: the pain the rest of the season.

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Speaker 13: More so, I mean, these injuries are common, so the

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Speaker 13: therapists and trainers are used to dealing with them and

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Speaker 13: getting them through the season. Usually for the lower grade

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Speaker 13: springs of the AC joint, it's about kind of getting

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Speaker 13: them through. And I mean, I think this is just

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Speaker 13: going to nag them a little bit for the next

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Speaker 13: month or two.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Now, I want to ask about another quarterback,

2011
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Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels of the Washington Commanders, who left a

2012
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Speaker 2: lopsided game on Sunday night against Seattle had his arm

2013
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Speaker 2: in a cast as he left the field. It's been

2014
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Speaker 2: reported that he has a dislocated left elbow. It's his

2015
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Speaker 2: non throwing arm. Dislocated elbow seems sort of self explanatory,

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Speaker 2: but take me into the particulars of the injury, of course.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I saw the video and it was a gruesome one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Essentially, is where your forearmbones connect to your humorous your

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Speaker 13: upper armbone, and when that pops out of place, it's

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Speaker 13: like a hinge joint, and so it can pop out

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Speaker 13: and cost some associate injuries like ligament tears or fractures.

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Speaker 4: So that's what happened with him.

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Speaker 13: Assuming you got to put back in place on the field,

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Speaker 13: and they put them in a cast, and so he's

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Speaker 13: at least working in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: What does the treatment for this sort of injury look like?

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Speaker 13: It really varies on the severity. I mean, based on

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Speaker 13: what the reports we've seen thus far, it sounds like

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Speaker 13: it was simply a dislocation. I think he's lucky in

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Speaker 13: that sense. Oftentimes he's are associated with fractures or breaks

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Speaker 13: in the bone, associated with big ligament injuries that need

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Speaker 13: a surgery. And so in his case, if he didn't

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Speaker 13: have a big fracture or something that he had to repair,

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Speaker 13: then it involves putting him in a cast for a

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Speaker 13: period of time, usually a week or two, then working

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Speaker 13: on getting the elbow moving again because it tends to

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Speaker 13: stiffen up quickly, so transitioning into a brace that allows

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Speaker 13: him to bend in straight, and really rehabbing the heck

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Speaker 13: out of that elbow for the next few months.

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Speaker 2: Is it made easier due to the fact that it's

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Speaker 2: not his throwing.

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Speaker 13: Arm, certainly, and so I mean, if it was this

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Speaker 13: throwing arm, I'd imagine he'd needed in tip top shape

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Speaker 13: in order to pass again, and so it'd probably be

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Speaker 13: a career end or sorry, a season ending injury for him.

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Speaker 13: Because it's his other elbow, he's not requiring as much

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Speaker 13: from it, and so I don't know. Certainly we can

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Speaker 13: speculate a little bit here, but hopefully get to get

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Speaker 13: him back a little sooner than the end of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. There you go, Doctor John Fridge, Orthos Sincy.

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Speaker 2: I say it every week because it's true. The great

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Speaker 2: thing about Orthos since is they have specialists on locations

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Speaker 2: all over the Tri State. This includes walk in orthopedic

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Speaker 2: urgent care weekdays nine a m. To nine pm and

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Speaker 2: on Saturdays nine am to one pm at both Edgewood

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Speaker 2: and Anderson. Is easy because you do not need an

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Speaker 2: appointment and it's definitely cheaper than going to an er.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you have an urgent orthopedic injury, go to Orthosincy

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Speaker 2: dot com. That's Ortho ci Ncy dot com. Steve Cangelosi

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Speaker 2: MLS Season Past next.

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Traffic.

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Speaker 6: From the UC Health Traffic Center. The Lung Cancer Rapid

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Speaker 6: Access Program at the UC Cancer Center is built to

2065
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Speaker 6: give you a care plan fast with a specialist in

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Speaker 6: two days. Call five one three five eighty five UCCC

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Speaker 6: on northbound seventy five, there's an accident between seventy four

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Speaker 6: and Mitchell Avenue of looking at about a forty minute

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01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 6: delay back from Hoppel with traffic getting by on the

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Speaker 6: right shoulder. Also northbound seventy five accident on the right

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Speaker 6: shoulder after two to seventy five in Sharon bill On

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Speaker 6: at Ezelic with traffic.

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Speaker 16: This report is sponsored by All Soccer Saturday Night.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you just heard the forecast for the

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Speaker 2: next couple of days. Saturday looks pretty good. FC Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: and Columbus at six, kickoff at six, so temperature is

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Speaker 2: going to be fifty five according to our folks at

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Speaker 2: Channel nine, and no rain, So it should be a

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Speaker 2: good night, should be a great If you love soccer, man,

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Speaker 2: this weekend is awesome. You have all these deciding game

2081
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Speaker 2: threes including obviously hell Is Reel Saturday six o'clock at

2082
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 2: TQL Stadium, the match on MLS Season Pass on TV.

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01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,360
Speaker 2: Steve Cangelosi, who has joined us many times in the past,

2084
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 2: has the call and kind in us, kind enough to

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Speaker 2: join us this afternoon. Steve, it's going to have you.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 18: Out there on Saturday night?

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Speaker 11: And this is going to be a heck of an occasion,

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you it is all on the line, a

2090
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 11: game of importance for so so many reasons. For FC

2091
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 11: Cincinnati in particular, I think that it's a game they've

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01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 11: got to win.

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Speaker 2: Moll for a lot of reasons, and I think that

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01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 2: the pressure is amplified because they won game won and

2095
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 2: looked so good in doing so.

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Speaker 11: They did, and the script certainly flipped. Now in all fairness,

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Speaker 11: in game two we see a Columbus team that played

2098
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:47,000
Speaker 11: the majority of the match from the thirty eight minute

2099
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 11: on eleven v ten. But in all fairness, the crew

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01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 11: got the better of it before that with I think

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01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,480
Speaker 11: a very good game plan. They were a more aggressive

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Speaker 11: team and now we'll see what adjustments come here from

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01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:06,679
Speaker 11: Paton staff for the decisive Game three. This is something

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01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 11: that I think is largely on the shoulders of his

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01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 11: best player, of Ander, and I think if you're looking

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Speaker 11: for the tactical headline of the first two games, even

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01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 11: in the opening win, and it carried over certainly to

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01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:24,559
Speaker 11: the four and zhing loss, I think Columbus has done

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Speaker 11: a very good job of minimizing the impact of one

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Speaker 11: of the best players in MLS, and it's on the

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01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 11: blue and Orange to unleash their number one attacking talent

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Speaker 11: with the season on the line. I think that's going

2113
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 11: to go a long way towards deciding which one of

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01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,759
Speaker 11: these teams gets to a conference semi final.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of went to where I was going

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Speaker 2: to go next. I'm waiting for Evander to, for lack

2117
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Speaker 2: of a better way of putting it, show up on Saturday. Also,

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Speaker 2: I worry about this. You mentioned all the pressure on

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01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,479
Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati, all the reasons why they need to win

2120
01:48:57,560 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 2: this game. It's been rare during Pat Noan's time Cincinnati

2121
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Speaker 2: that I've that I've thought as team kind of came unglued,

2122
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Speaker 2: kind of came unhinged. I thought that happened on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I worry about giving up an early goal, and then

2124
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Speaker 2: I know what that crowd is going to sound like.

2125
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,640
Speaker 2: I know what the weight of that pressure is going

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Speaker 2: to be like, and I worry about something similar on

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Speaker 2: Saturday evening.

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Speaker 11: I think that the pressure comes in many ways, shapes

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01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 11: and forms, and you've mentioned one path that it can

2130
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 11: certainly come if you find yourself chasing the game much

2131
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 11: of the night before an anxious crowd. Yes, but we've

2132
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Speaker 11: seen a pattern when these two teams meet where a

2133
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 11: one goal lead and even.

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Speaker 12: A two goal lead is not safe.

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Speaker 11: And you know, discipline and you know, having that cool

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01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 11: as a cucumber attitude in the crunched moments of this

2137
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 11: game will be significant. And I think which team is

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01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 11: ready to enact it's game plan better is the one

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Speaker 11: that will survive the night. I'm interested to see how

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Speaker 11: Pat lines up his team for this game.

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Speaker 12: Look, Gid, he's a heck of a player.

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Speaker 11: He's got a lot of technical ability. But if Abina

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Speaker 11: Wolbodo is able to come back, and if he's got

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Speaker 11: starters minutes in him, you know Buka side by side

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Speaker 11: with Wolbado, I think that gets well Buka into the

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Speaker 11: attack a lot more and I think that's something that's

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Speaker 11: a positive for Cincinnati. But I don't know physically where

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Speaker 11: Obita is at this point. Evander's got a lot of

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Speaker 11: this on his shoulders. As I said, the one thing

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Speaker 11: that I think he has to forget about is the

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Speaker 11: fact that he's carried two yellow cards into this game

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Speaker 11: on Saturday night, and if he gets another one, he'd

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Speaker 11: be suspended for a conference semi final. You can't think

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Speaker 11: that far ahead because a lot of this is going

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Speaker 11: to define your season. I think this is a heck

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Speaker 11: of a coaching that they have with Pat with Kenny Arena,

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Speaker 11: with Dominic Kinnear, with Chris Albright leading the technical staff.

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Speaker 11: And I was talking to people about this earlier today,

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Speaker 11: and I do think that all things considered equal, this

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Speaker 11: is coaching staff MO that should be as.

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Speaker 18: Secure as any in the league.

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Speaker 11: They're well respected, they did a nice job putting the

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Speaker 11: team together this year, and you'd have a hard time

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Speaker 11: doing better. The problem is, MO, not all things are

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Speaker 11: created equal on Saturday night, because think about the consequences

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Speaker 11: of a loss here. You'd be looking at a loss

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Speaker 11: an elimination game on your home ground, your season ending

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Speaker 11: on your home ground for a third straight year, not

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Speaker 11: to mention the fact that you would bow out at

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Speaker 11: the expense of your opponent for the second time in

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Speaker 11: three years. So there's a lot going on there, and

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Speaker 11: I can't speak to how ownership, you know, would deal

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Speaker 11: with that, but there's a lot that goes into winning

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Speaker 11: for losing this game, and if they do survive it, MO,

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Speaker 11: I think they're going to be really brimming with confidence

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Speaker 11: for as how long they remain in these MLS Cup playoffs,

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Speaker 11: which I think can be a very long way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. So it's going to be tense, it's

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Speaker 2: also going to be a lot of fun. Saturday at

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Speaker 2: six o'clock, Steve have a great call. We appreciate the time, man,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much.

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Speaker 18: We thank you and take care.

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Speaker 12: I'll see you guys Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Most definitely Steve Canzelosi MLS Season Pass Apple TV. He

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Speaker 2: has the call for Game three on Saturday night, FC

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and Columbus six pm. Radio coverage can be heard

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. We have UK football. I

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Speaker 2: believe it's UK football, right. We got something on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. I'm I'm almost certain that it's a conceis

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Speaker 2: now because it's gonna bother me and this is the

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Speaker 2: last show of the week and I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be wrong. I'm one million percent positive that the soccer

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Speaker 2: game is on. Yeah, Kentucky plays Florida. Yes, I was right,

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Speaker 2: UK host Florida Krogerfield.

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Speaker 7: There you go.

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Speaker 2: All right, that was a great way to end the week. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I'm off Chad Brendle will be here Friday with no

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Speaker 2: Bengals pep rally because of the by. See you get

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Speaker 2: ken Brew, ken Brew talking to you and uh love

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Speaker 2: ken And I'll be listening from three to five thirty

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Speaker 2: on Friday and three to six tomorrow. Hopefully you will

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Speaker 2: be too. Don't forget Tony and Mo Football show is

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Speaker 2: going to be at Twin Peaks in Westchester on Monday.

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Speaker 2: We will see it then hopefully have an awesome weekend,

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Speaker 2: have a great rest of the week. Thanks to Tarren

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Speaker 2: Bland for producing. Thanks to you for listening. This is

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