1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Since he three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports station. Chad Brendle will join us today for 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Quick Kids. He's in for Moagrick Mos on the call 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: tonight with with Terry Nelson in Lubbock, Texas. Dan Horde. 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: We believe has combined duties. So a lot, a lot 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: that will still happen between now and three o'clock. Can 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: I throw some of a friend of the show Lance 8 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: erloin player comparisons at you here? Okay, these are interesting, 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: I guess sure. First, okay, all right, let me give 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: you the first one. Fernando Mendoza. Fernando Mendoza, Kirk Cousins, 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: Lance says Joe Burrow. Okay, so right off the bat, Lance, 12 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: right off the bat. I'm like, holy cal now, I'm 13 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: in all right now, I gotta see what else is 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: going on. I don't get it. I don't get it. No, 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: does he explain, No, this is just a tweet where 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: he's giving the comparisons. Okay, all right, give me the 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: next one, Ty Simpson, kirk Cousins, Mac Jones. I could 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: see that one. That makes sense, did Joe Burrow Mendoza? 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: Come on? What about Jeremiah Love, Adrian Peterson, Jamiir Gibbs, Yes, 20 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: that was an easy one. Carnell Tap, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave. 21 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm not good at this game. Mackay Lemon, Roma Doonsay, 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: I'm in Ross Saint Brown. Not really much on the 23 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, but the defensive side of 24 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: the ball. Ruben Bain, Ruben Bain, Joey Bosa, Brandon Graham. 25 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: Would you take a Brandon Graham, Yes, I would. What 26 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: about David Bailey? This is the player I would definitely 27 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: take from the Denver Broncos. Would that be Nick Benito? 28 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: Nick Benito, Nice, Peter Woods, Aaron Donald, Christian Wilkins, Erondonald, 29 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm running to the podium again, Sonny Styles, Bobby Wagner, 30 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: Fred Warner. Oh, if I'm getting Fred Warner at number ten, 31 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: I'll take it. 32 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: I didn't realize how big Sonny Styles was until I've 33 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: been I've watched every Ohio State game. I guess I 34 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: didn't click with me until now that Sonny Styles is 35 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: six foot four, two hundred and forty three pounds. He's 36 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: gonna run a four to five forty Okay, I'd take 37 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: that on a defense uh huh. 38 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: Listen to this one. 39 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: R VL Reese, Michael Parsons, Na, no one, okay, no 40 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: one says Lance. 41 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: Some other names on this list. Now this is not 42 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: a current player, but was a former Bengal Keldric Falk, 43 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: Carl Awson, Carlos Dunlop. Oh what about Caleb Downs? Jesse 44 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Fates close? Would that be funny? Justin Simmons now, Jaln Petrie? 45 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: Oh wow? Would you take Petrie for Caleb Downs at 46 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: number ten? Yeah? A couple of the other ones. Jermald 47 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: McCoy Tyson Campbell, Man, Sword, Delaney, Quinnon, Mitchell. 48 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: I'm starting to I'm starting to buy into the corner thing. 49 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I tell you what I'm buying into. If 50 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: if Sonny Styles is Fred Warner, I'll take that at 51 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: a number ten. Yeah, you don't care about the price tag, now, 52 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: don't care. I'm taking that player. I'd be all down 53 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: to it. That's also something Austin that Paul Danner Junior 54 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: did when the Athletic held It's a Beat Writer mock draft. 55 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: He took Ohio State linebacker Sonny Styles. He said it 56 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: came down to Styles and Delaney and what the Bengals 57 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: doing free agency might provide the tiebreaker, but Styles would 58 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: be a slam dunk to drop in the middle of 59 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: the defense of Cincinnati handles linebacker free agency, then Manswort 60 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: Delaney would be the ideal pick, but a player that 61 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot more people are starting to pay 62 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: attention to because what we're seeing with other players, right 63 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: like we just talked about with UH with Joe Daneman, 64 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're starting to see Caleb Down's 65 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: name a lot higher in these mock drafts, you know, 66 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: as of today, and you've major feelings on mel Kuiper 67 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: known mel Kuiper had Caleb Downs going number two overall, 68 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: David Bailey three, Rvel Reas four, and then got down 69 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: to number ten and had Ruben Bain Junior still on 70 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: the board for the Bengals, which again I'm fine with 71 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: that as well. But the the interesting one here to me, 72 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: and what I I kind of want to get your 73 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: opinion on is what Joe Goodberry laid out because Joe Goodberry, 74 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: who friend of the show, obviously went through and did 75 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: a mock draft, and he asked the question, if you 76 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: if you're not able to trade down, where are you looking? 77 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Because his his mock draft saw Mendoza one, Bailey two, 78 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Reese three, Bayne four, Caleb Downs five, Sonny Style seven, 79 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: Mansor Delaney eight. So you get up to the clock 80 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: number ten. You've got Mackay, Lemon, You've got Jermad McCoy. 81 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the other players, Peter Woods, 82 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: what's the tackle from Miami? 83 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: Francis Malnoah So, Jordan Tyson, and it's just Hal Keldrick, Faulk, 84 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: Caleb Banks. 85 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: Where are you going? 86 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: I would probably take one of the offensive line've over 87 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: the corner converse we've had, I think so too. But 88 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: to me, if there was a trade down scenario, that 89 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: would be it right. 90 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean clearly because you feel good about 91 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: basically everybody on this list. Lemon, Maliinoah, McCoy, Woods, Tyson, Howe, Fulk, Banks, 92 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: Fanu Tarrell, Boston, Caden McDonald, aloviega Ione, Like, yeah, you 93 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: feel good about every single one of those, dude. 94 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: I mean, let me, let's go, let's go with this. 95 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: If it's David Bailey, r Vel Reese, Reuben Bain, Caleb 96 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: Downs or Sonny Styles, if it's any of those five, 97 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: you're running to the podium and turning the card in HM. 98 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: Anyone outside of those five, you would you would listen 99 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: to the idea of trading back. You should be listening regardless. 100 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: But yes, what if, and again I know this is 101 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: the crazy scenario. What if Carnell Tator, Jeremiah Lover there 102 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: at ten and what we just talked about has already happened. 103 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: Those five core guys that right now we talk about 104 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: a lot are off the board, but Carnel Tate and 105 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love are there. 106 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: I don't think you should, under any circumstances consider a 107 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 2: running back, Okay, Tate, I would be fine with, I think, 108 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: and I think that would almost be the perfect scenario 109 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: because then you might have one of those teams who 110 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: really wants Jeremiah Love. 111 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: Sure, if that's the case, then willing to give up 112 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more to get into the top ten. 113 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Because I don't think they can justify taking 114 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: running back. 115 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot being said, and I think 116 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: what would be hard by a lot of folks because 117 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: they are in need of one. I could very easily 118 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: see Jeremiah Love going to Kansas City and being a 119 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: good fit with you know, going in right next to 120 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. It would certainly give them a running game 121 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: that they desperately need right now. But I think where 122 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm out right now, and again it's only February twenty fourth, 123 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a core group of five players that 124 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: I would sprint to the podium and take if it's 125 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: not those five. And I'm usually one to never entertain 126 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: the thought of moving back, I would certainly entertain it 127 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: in this draft because the players available that we just 128 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: went through would still fill a position of need that 129 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: this team has and that this team could have going forward. 130 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting. Again, I think a lot 131 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: changes between now and then, but as we sit here 132 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: towards the end of February, I think that's interesting. I 133 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: also found this interesting. Normally, Paul Danner Junior joins Moigor 134 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: on Tuesdays. Moe's not in today, But Paul Danner Junior 135 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: explained on The Growler this week about Joe Burrows. I 136 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: don't I don't like to use the term pressure, but 137 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: you could equate it to the pressure that he does 138 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: put on the Cincinnati Bengals. This is I have the audio, 139 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: but this is what Paul Danner had to say. 140 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: But I think he's kind of laid. He's certainly done 141 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 4: more than just lay the groundwork on. If I'm not 142 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: happy here, I don't plan on staying here. And he 143 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 4: gave next year and said I'm good, like they're all in. 144 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: But it's like when I said in the beginning here 145 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 4: this being a pressure cooker year for the whole team. 146 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: It's because Burrow kind of sets that temperature, like I'll 147 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 4: give you this year, you better prove that you can 148 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 4: put a team around me and we can win, because 149 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: me and my buddy's Jamar and t might not want 150 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: to stick around for watching you guys, you know, hobble 151 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: through this thing and not be able to make anything work. 152 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: Right before that as well, he says he's changed the 153 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: way they've made decisions in recent years, and his lack 154 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: of happiness, whether he says it's because he had a 155 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: bad day to press, convince or not, has major influence 156 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: inside of the building. He has called this free agency paramount. Again. 157 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: I would like to think that even if Joe Burrow 158 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: has not said anything or has called it paramount, I'd 159 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: like to think that the organization would still be attacking 160 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: this offseason with the same idea in the aggressive pursuit 161 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: of a championship, as we often say, but this certainly 162 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt to nudge the Bengals in that direction. At 163 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: the very root of it, this to me is why 164 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: this offseason is the biggest and most important offseason that 165 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: I remember for the Cincinnati Bengals. And again, he wants 166 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: a good defense. Paul Daniel Junior capped it off on 167 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: the grolet with that, he just wants a good defense. 168 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: He doesn't care, he doesn't want to feel like he 169 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: has to be perfect and score forty two every single week. 170 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: He's in a good place. He just wants to win. 171 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where everyone's at. You tried 172 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: the experiment last year, you moved on from lou Ana Rumo. 173 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: You thought Al Golden was gonna put all the pieces together. 174 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: It just never worked out. This is where we're at. 175 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: And again a lot of this is what we've talked 176 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: about in Paul Danner Junior saying the quiet part out loud. 177 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: It is what it is right now. Everyone's thinking it. 178 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: It's just what the Bengals now have to go and do. 179 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: Get it done. Find the trade partners, find the free agents, 180 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: identify them correctly, pay the money you need to make, 181 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: and then the draft should feel like icing on the 182 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: cakes of your offseason. Mike is calling in, what's up. 183 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 5: Mike, Hey, Johnny, I appreciate you take time taking my call. 184 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 5: You guys were talking yesterday about the Trey Henderson thing 185 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 5: and brought up how would like the fans feel like, honestly, 186 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 5: like I would steal like are you know like reader floss, 187 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 5: you know what we did, are one of our best 188 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 5: defensive players. But then again, if we get a draft 189 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 5: pick for it, I'm not confident in there and and 190 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 5: then taking the uh a good player for you know 191 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. 192 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at that. That to me is it's 193 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: still going to be a concern. We know they've not 194 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: drafted extremely well, and you know, if you're pulling a 195 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: fourth or a fifth round pick for Trey Hendrickson, is 196 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: there a guarantee that you feel like it's going to 197 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: be capitalized upon? Maybe not, But to me, it just 198 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: feels like these two sides have tried to come to 199 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: an agreement, they have not done so they're not close 200 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: to being on the same page. If you can salvage something, 201 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: then I think you have to pull the trigger. 202 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Like like I said, I don't see him 203 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 5: playing in a being with uniform ever again. And I 204 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 5: agree with you. You've got to at least try to 205 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 5: get something out of him. Why you Why you can? 206 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes the combine this week 207 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: so important. On the field stuff player meetings. Yes, can 208 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: you find a team that hasn't needed that position and 209 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: is willing to part ways with a fourth round pick 210 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: at this point? That should be your main or one 211 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: of your main goals of this upcoming combine. 212 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 5: All right, A couple of one more thing if you 213 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 5: don't mind. 214 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 6: It. 215 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: What about the Brian Cook? I mean, do you think 216 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 5: we have a shot at finding him, I mean bringing 217 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 5: him back home? Or would you say do we have 218 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 5: a shot at a Caleb Downs? 219 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: You know, if this question were two weeks ago, I 220 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: would have said Caleb Downs. But it just feels like 221 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: there's a growing sentiment that believes that Caleb Downs is 222 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: going to be going higher in the draft. And if 223 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: that's the case, and if I'm the Bengals and I'm 224 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: operating in that sense, then I better have a backup plan. 225 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: And that backup plan could be a Brian Cook I 226 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: think he would slot in perfectly. Uh, He's won a 227 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He brings a I think, a demeanor and 228 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: a leadership value that this team needs on the back end. 229 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: I think he brings experience that they need on the 230 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: back end. But if everything we're hearing is that teams 231 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: are are becoming a little bit more higher on Caleb 232 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: downs than if I'm the Bengals, I better do my 233 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: business before the draft at the safety position just in case. 234 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 7: Absolutely. 235 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, guys. 236 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: Thanks, Mike, appreciate it. 237 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 5: Bye bye. 238 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: Let's go from one mic to another. 239 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 7: Here, what's up Mike, Hey, guys, good show today. How 240 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 7: about that we already talked about. Well, I was having 241 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 7: a procedure, so I couldn't hear the show on. I'm 242 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 7: sorry about that, but I'm sure you talked about the 243 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 7: Houston Lass. 244 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: Yeah to the. 245 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 7: Enigmatic Kansas before you're right, Tony Peterson's got a stroke, boy. 246 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could. You could convince me that Kansas could 247 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: go to the Final four. You could convince me Kansas 248 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: doesn't make the first weekend. 249 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 7: I don't know that I've ever seen that with a team. Uh, 250 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 7: I'm not not coming off the top of my head. 251 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 7: I think this final, this March madness is going to 252 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 7: be out of sight this year, though. 253 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 8: I do. 254 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: I think there's twelve teams that can win it all, 255 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: right now. 256 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's that's that's what you want as a fan. 257 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 7: That's exactly what we want. 258 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: Yep. 259 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 7: And I was listening to their Patrick a little bit 260 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 7: this morning. I don't know if you guys did, but 261 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 7: take a guess what school in the United college and 262 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 7: your university in the United States has the highest application 263 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 7: total UH in year to year. 264 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 8: I would have, let's say, for this year for a college. No, 265 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 8: for a university, man, I I would probably say somewhere 266 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 8: out west. I just don't know which one. 267 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, I was thinking a lot of State. 268 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: Or maybe Michigan. I'm gonna say Arizona. 269 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 7: No, actually, Arizona State's a lot bigger than Arizona as 270 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 7: far as that. But what surprising was UCLA. They get 271 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty six thousand applications with a nine 272 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 7: percent acceptance ratio and ain't bad. Holy man, I mean, 273 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 7: that's that just blew my mind. So dam Patrick was 274 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 7: saying he sent both his kids to USC but that's 275 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 7: because he had a connection and had to pay big money. 276 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 7: An sure table was in the man anyway, I know, 277 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 7: It's like that's all I had. 278 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: Guys, have a great afternoon. Let's grab a break, Let's 279 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: come back a quick brief segment, and then we'll get 280 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: to Chad Brenda for quick hits that still happens between 281 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: now and three o'clock on the Home of the Bengals 282 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 283 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 9: Are you running for office and have a message you? 284 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back? Since he three to sixty on ESPN fifteen 285 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Chad Brendle will join us today 286 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: for quick Kids. He's in for Moagrick Mos on the 287 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: call tonight with UH with Terry Nelson in Lubbock, Texas, 288 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: Dan Horde, we believe has combined duties. So a lot, 289 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: a lot that will still happen between now and three o'clock. 290 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: Can I throw some of a Friends of the Show 291 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Lance erloin player comparisons at you here? Okay, these are interesting, 292 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: I guess sure. First, okay, all right, let me give 293 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: you the first one. Fernando Mendoza. Fernando Mendoza, Kirk Cousins, 294 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: Lance says, Joe Burrow. Okay, so right off the bat, 295 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: right off the bat, I'm like, holy cal now, I'm now, 296 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: I'm in, all right, now, i gotta see what else 297 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: is going on? Why I don't get it. I don't 298 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: get it. No, does he explain? Now, this is just 299 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: a tweet where he's giving the comparisons. Okay, all right, 300 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: give me the next one. Ty Simpson, Kirk Cousins, Mac Jones, Okay, 301 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: I could see that one. Well that I mean, that's 302 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Did Joe Burrow Mendoza? Come on? What 303 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: about Jeremiah Love, Adrian Peterson, Jamier Gibbs. Oh, yes, that 304 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: was an easy one. Carnell Tape, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, 305 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm not good at this game. Mackay Lemon, Roma doonsay, 306 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: I'm in Ross Saint Brown not really much on the 307 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, but the defensive side of 308 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: the ball. Ruben Bain, Ruben Bain, Joey Bosa, Brandon Graham. 309 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Would you take a Brandon Graham? 310 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 7: Yes? 311 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: I would. What about David Bailey? This is the player 312 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: I would definitely take from the Denver Broncos. 313 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: Would that be Nick Benito? Nick Benito, Nice, Peter Woods, 314 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: Aaron Donald. 315 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: Christian Wilkins, Aaron Donald, I'm running to the podium again, 316 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: Sonny Styles, Bobby Wagner, Fred Warner. Oh, if I'm getting 317 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: Fred Warner at number ten, I'll take it. I didn't 318 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: realize how big Sonny Styles was until I've been like, 319 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: I've watched every Ohio State game. I guess I didn't 320 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: click with me until now that Sonny Styles is six 321 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: foot four, two hundred and forty three pounds. He's gonna 322 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: run a four to five forty Okay, I'd take that 323 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: on a defense. Uh huh. Listen to this one. Rvel Reese, 324 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, Na, no one, okay, no one, says Lance. 325 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: Some other names on this list. Now this is not 326 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: a current player, but was a former Bengal Keldrick Falk, 327 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: Carl Lawson, Carlos Dunlop. 328 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 2: Oh, what about Caleb Dan Jesse Fates close? Would that 329 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 2: be funny? 330 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Justin Simmons now, Jalen Petrie, Oh wow, would you take 331 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: Petree for Caleb Downs at number ten? Yeah? A couple 332 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: of the other ones. Jermald McCoy, Tyson, Campbell Mansword, Delaney, 333 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: Quinon Mitchell. 334 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm starting to I'm starting to buy into the corner thing. 335 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I tell you what I'm buying into. If 336 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: if Sonny Styles is Fred Warner, I'll take that at 337 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: at number ten. Yeah, you don't care about the price tagment, 338 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: don't care. I'm taking that player. I'd be all down 339 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: to it. That's also something Austin that Paul Danner Junior 340 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: did when the Athletic held its Beat Writer mock draft. 341 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: He took Ohio State linebacker Sonny Styles. He said it 342 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: came down to Styles and Delaney and what the Bengals doing. 343 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: Free agency might provide the tiebreaker, but Styles would be 344 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: a slam dunk to drop in the middle of the defense. 345 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: If Cincinnati handles linebacker and free agents see Than Manswort, 346 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: Delaney would be the ideal pick. But a player that 347 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot more people are starting to pay 348 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: attention to because what we're seeing with other players, right 349 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: like we just talked about with Joe Daneman, all of 350 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're starting to see Caleb Down's name a 351 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: lot higher in these mock drafts. You know, as of today, 352 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: and you've major feelings on mel Kiper known mel Kuiper 353 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: had Caleb Downs going number two overall. David Bailey three, 354 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: rvel Reas four, and then got down to number ten 355 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: and had Reuben Bain Junior still on the board for 356 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: the Bengals, which again I'm fine with that as well. 357 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: But the interesting one here to me, and what I 358 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: kind of want to get your opinion on, is what 359 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: Joe Goodberry laid out. Because Joe Goodberry, who friend of 360 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: the show, obviously went through and did a mock draft, 361 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: and he asked the question, if you if you're not 362 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: able to trade down, where are you looking? Because his 363 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: his mock draft saw Mendoza one, Bailey two, Reaese three, 364 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Bayne four, Caleb Downs five, Sonny Style seven, Mansor Delaney eight. 365 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: So you get up to the clock number ten, You've 366 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: got mackay Lemon, You've got Jermad McCoy. I'm trying to 367 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: think of the other players, Peter Woods, what's the tackle 368 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: from Miami? 369 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: Francis Malnoa, so Jordan Tyson, and it's just Hal Keldrick, Faulk, 370 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: Caleb Banks. Where I would probably take one of the offensive. 371 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: Linemen over the corner conversation we've had, I think so too. 372 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: But to me, if there was a trade down scenario, 373 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: that would be it, right. 374 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean clearly, because you feel good about 375 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: basically everybody on this list Lemon, Maliinoah McCoy, Woods, Tyson Howe, 376 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: Fulk Banks, Fanu, Terrell Boston, Caden McDonald, aloviega Ione, Like, yeah, 377 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: you feel good about every single one of those, Dude. 378 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: I mean, let me, let's go, let's go with this. 379 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: If it's David Bailey, r Vel Reese, Reuben Bain, Caleb 380 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: Downs or Sonny Styles. If it's any of those five, 381 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: you're running to the podium and turning the card in 382 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: m anyone outside of those five, you would you would 383 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: listen to the idea of trading back. You should be 384 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: listening regardless. But yes, what if, and again I know 385 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: this is the crazy scenario. What if Carnell Tit or 386 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Jeremiah lover there at ten and what we just talked 387 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: about has already happened. Those five core guys that right 388 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: now we talk about a lot are off the board. 389 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: But Carnell Tait and Jeremiah lover There, I. 390 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: Don't think you should, under any circumstances consider a running back. 391 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: Okay Tate, I would be fine with I think, and 392 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: I think that would almost be the perfect scenario, because 393 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: then you might have one of those teams who really 394 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 2: wants Jeremiah Love. Sure, if that's the case, then willing 395 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: to give up a little bit more to get into 396 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: the top ten. Yeah, okay, Because I don't think they 397 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: can justify taking running back. 398 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot being said, and I think 399 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: what would be hard by a lot of folks because 400 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: they are in need of one. I could very easily 401 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: see Jeremiah Love going to Kansas City and being a 402 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: good fit with you know, going in right next to 403 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. It would certainly give them a running game 404 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: that they desperately need right now. But I think where 405 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm at right now, and again it's only February twenty fourth, 406 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: I think there's a core group of five players that 407 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: I would sprint to the podium and take. If it's 408 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: not those five, And I'm usually one to never entertain 409 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: the thought of moving back, I would certainly entertain it 410 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: in this draft because the players available that we just 411 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: went through would would still fill a position of need 412 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: that that this team has and that this team could 413 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: have going forward. So I think it's interesting. I I 414 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: I again, I think a lot changes between now and 415 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: then but as we sit here towards the end of February, 416 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. I also found this interesting. Normally, 417 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: Paul Danner Junior joins Moe Igor on Tuesdays. Moe's not 418 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: in today, But Paul Danner Junior explained on The Growler 419 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: this week about Joe Burrows. I don't want to I 420 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: don't like to use the term pressure, but you could 421 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: equate it to the pressure that that he does put 422 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: on the Cincinnati Bengals. This is I have the audio. 423 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: This is what Paul Danner had to say. 424 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: But I think he's kind of laid. He's certainly done 425 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 4: more than just lay the ground work on. If I'm 426 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: not happy here, I don't plan on staying here. And 427 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 4: he gave next year and said I'm good, like they're 428 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 4: all in. But it's like when I said in the 429 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: beginning here this being a pressure cooker year for the 430 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 4: whole team. It's because Burrow kind of sets that temperature. Like, 431 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: I'll give you this year, you better prove that you 432 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 4: can put a team around me and we can win, 433 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: because me and my buddy' Jamar and t might not 434 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 4: want to stick around for watching you guys. You know, 435 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: hobble through this thing and not be able to make 436 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: anything work. 437 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: Right before that. As well, he says he's changed the 438 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: way they've made decisions in recent years, and his lack 439 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: of happiness, whether he says it's because he had a 440 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: bad day to press conference or not, has major influence 441 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: inside of the building. He has called this free agency paramount. Again, 442 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: I would like to think that even if Joe Burrow 443 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: has not said anything or has called it paramount, I'd 444 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: like to think that the organization would still be attacking 445 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: this offseason with the same idea in the aggressive pursuit 446 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: of a championship, as we often say. But this certainly 447 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt to nudge the Bengals in that direction. At 448 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: the very root of it, this to me is why 449 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: this offseason is the biggest and most important offseason that 450 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: I remember for the Cincinnati Bengals. And again, he wants 451 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: a good defense. Paul Danel Junior capped it off on 452 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: the Grolet with that he just wants a good defense. 453 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: He doesn't care, he doesn't want to feel like he 454 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: has to be perfect and score forty two every single week. 455 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: He's in a good place. He just wants to win. 456 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where everyone's at. You tried 457 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: the experiment last year, you moved on from lou Ana Rumo. 458 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: You thought Al Golden was going to put all the 459 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: pieces together. It just never worked out. This is where 460 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: we're at. And again, a lot of this is what 461 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: we've talked about in Paul Danner Junior saying the quiet 462 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: part out loud. It is what it is right now, 463 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: everyone's thinking that it's just what the Bengals now have 464 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: to go and do. Get it done, find the trade partners, 465 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: find the free agents, identify them correctly, pay the money 466 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: you need to make, and then the draft should feel 467 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: like icing on the cakes of your offseason. Mike is 468 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: calling in, what's up, Mike? 469 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 5: Hey, Johnny, I appreciate you take time taking my call. 470 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: You guys were talking yesterday about, uh, the Trey Henderson 471 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 5: thing and brought up how would like the fans feel like? Honestly, 472 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 5: like I would steal like are you know like reader Floss, 473 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: you know what we did, are one of our best 474 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 5: defensive players. But then again, if we get a draft 475 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 5: pick for it, I'm not confident in there and and 476 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 5: then taking the a good player for you know what 477 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 5: I'm saying. 478 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look that that to me is it's still 479 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: gonna be a concern. We know they've not drafted extremely well, 480 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: and you know, if you're pulling a fourth or a 481 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: fifth round pick for Trey Hendrickson, is there a guarantee 482 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: that you feel like it's going to be capitalized upon. 483 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: Maybe not, But to me, it just feels like these 484 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: two sides have tried to come to an agreement. They 485 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: have not done so they're not close to being on 486 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: the same page. If you can salvage something, then I 487 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: think you have to pull the trigger. Yeah. 488 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 5: Right, Like I said, I don't see him playing in 489 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 5: a being with uniform ever again. And I agree with 490 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 5: you. You've got to at least try to get something out 491 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 5: of him. Why you Why you can? 492 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes the combine this week 493 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: so important. On the field stuff player meetings. Yes, can 494 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: you find a team that that hasn't needed that position 495 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: and is willing to part ways with a fourth round 496 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: pick at this point that should be your main or 497 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: one of your main goals of this upcoming combine. 498 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 5: All right, A couple of one more thing if you 499 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 5: don't mind. 500 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: It. 501 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 5: What about the Brian Cook? I mean, do you think 502 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 5: we have a shot at finding him, I mean bringing 503 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 5: him back home? Or would you say do we have 504 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 5: a shot at a Caleb Downs? 505 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: You know, if this question were two weeks ago, I 506 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: would have said Caleb Downs. But it just feels like 507 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: there's a growing sentiment that believes that Caleb Downs is 508 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: going to be going higher in the draft. And if 509 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: that's the case, and if I'm the Bengals and I'm 510 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: operating in that sense, then I better have a backup plan. 511 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: And that backup plan could be a Brian Cook. I 512 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: think he would slot in perfectly. He's won a Super Bowl. 513 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: He brings a I think a demeanor and a leadership 514 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: value that this team needs on the back end. I 515 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: think he brings experience need on the back end. But 516 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: if everything we're hearing is that teams are are becoming 517 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more higher on Cale Downs than if 518 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm the Bengals, I better do my business before the 519 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: draft at the safety position just in case. 520 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 7: Absolutely. 521 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, guys. 522 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: Thanks, Mike, appreciate it. 523 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 5: Bye bye. 524 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: Let's go from one mic to another here. 525 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 7: What's up Mike, Hey, guys, good show today. How about 526 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 7: that we already talked about. Well, I was having a procedure, 527 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 7: so I couldn't hear the show on. I'm sorry about that, 528 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 7: but I'm sure you talked about the Houston Lass. Yeah 529 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 7: to the enigmatic Kansas before You're right, Tony Peterson's got 530 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 7: a stroke, boy. 531 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: Yea, you could. You could convince me that Kansas could 532 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: go to the Final four. You could convince me Kansas 533 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: doesn't make the first weekend. 534 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 7: I don't know that I've ever seen with a team. 535 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 7: I'm not not coming off the top of my head. 536 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 7: I think this final, this March madness is going to 537 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 7: be out of sight this year, though. 538 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,239 Speaker 1: I do too. I think there's twelve teams that can 539 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: win it all, right now? 540 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's that's that's what you want as a fan. 541 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 7: That's exactly what we want. 542 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: Yep. 543 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 7: And I was listening to their Patrick a little bit 544 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 7: this morning. I don't know if you guys did, but 545 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 7: take a guess what school in the United college and 546 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 7: your university in the United States has the highest application 547 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 7: total UH in year to year. 548 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 8: I would have, well, let's say for this year for 549 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 8: a college, No, for a university. 550 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: Man, I I would probably say somewhere out west. I 551 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: just don't know which one. 552 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, I was thinking a lot of State. 553 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: Or maybe Michigan. I say Arizona. 554 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 7: No, actually, Arizona State is a lot bigger than Arizona 555 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 7: as far as that. But what surprising was UCLA. They 556 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 7: get one hundred and fifty six thousand applications with nine 557 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 7: acceptance ratio. 558 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 8: It ain't bad, Holy Matt, I. 559 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 7: Mean, that's that just blew my mind. So Sam Patrick 560 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 7: was saying he sent both his kids to USC but 561 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 7: that's because he had a connection and had to pay 562 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 7: big money. Sure, anyway, I know, it's like that's all 563 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 7: I had. 564 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: Guys, have a great afternoon. Let's grab a break, Let's 565 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: come back a quick brief segment, and then we'll get 566 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: to Chad Brendle for quick Hits that still happens between 567 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: now and three o'clock on the Home of the Bengals 568 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 569 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 9: Are you running for office and have a message you. 570 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back? Since he three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty 571 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports Station, Chad Brendle will join us today for 572 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: quick kits. He's in for Moagrick mos on the call 573 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: tonight with with Terry Nelson in Lubbock, Texas. Dan Horde, 574 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: we believe has combine duties. So a lot, a lot 575 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: that will still happen between now and three o'clock. Can 576 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: I throw some of a friend of the show, Lance 577 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: erloin player comparisons at you here? Okay, these are interesting, 578 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: I guess sure. First, Okay, all right, let me give 579 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: you the first one. Fernando Mendoza. Fernando Mendoza, Kirk Cousins, 580 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: Lance says, Joe Burrow. Okay, so right off the bat, 581 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: right off the bat, I'm like, holy cal now, I'm now, 582 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm in all right, now, I'm gotta see what else 583 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: is going on. I don't get it. I don't get it. No, 584 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: does he explain? Now, this is just a tweet where 585 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: he's giving the comparisons. 586 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, give me the next one, Ty Simpson, 587 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins, Mac Jones, I could see that one. 588 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: That makes sense? Did Joe Burrow Mendoza? Come on? What 589 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,959 Speaker 1: about Jeremiah Love, Adrian. 590 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 2: Peterson, Jamiir Gibbs, current player. 591 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that was an easy one. Carnell Tap, Garrett Wilson, 592 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: Chris Olave. I'm not good at this game. Mackay Lemon, 593 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 1: Roma Doonsay, I'm in Ross Saint Brown. Not really much 594 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, but the defensive 595 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: side of the ball. Ruben Bain, Ruben Bain, Joey Bosa, 596 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: Brandon Graham. Would you take a Brandon Graham? Yes, I would. 597 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:42,479 Speaker 1: What about David Bailey? This is a player I would 598 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: definitely take from the Denver Broncos. 599 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 2: Would that be Nick Benito? Nick Benito, Nice, Peter Woods, 600 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: Aaron Donald, Christian Wilkins, Aaron Donald. I'm running to the 601 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: podium again. Sonny Styles, Bobby Wagner, Fred Warner. Oh, if 602 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: I'm getting Fred Warner at number ten. 603 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: I'll take it. 604 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 2: I didn't realize how big Sonny Styles was until I've 605 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 2: been like, I've watched every Ohio State game. I guess 606 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: I didn't click with me until now that Sonny Styles 607 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 2: is six foot four, two hundred and forty three pounds. 608 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 2: He's gonna run a four to five forty Okay, I'd 609 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: take that on a defense. 610 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Listen to this one. Rvel Reese, Michael Parsons, Na, 611 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: no one, okay, no one, says Lance. Some other names 612 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: on this list. Now, this is not a current player, 613 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:46,919 Speaker 1: but was a former Bengal Keldrick Falk, Carl Lawson, Carlos Dunlop. Oh, 614 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: what about Caleb Downs? Jesse Fates close? Would that be funny? 615 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: Justin Simmons now Jaln Petrie? Oh wow? Would you take 616 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: Petree for Caleb Downs at number ten? Yeah? A couple 617 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: of the other ones Jermald McCoy, Tyson Campbell Mansor Delaney, 618 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 1: Quinon Mitchell. 619 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 2: I'm starting to I'm starting to buy into the corner thing. 620 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what I'm buying into. If 621 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: if Sonny Styles is Fred Warner, I'll take that at 622 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: at number ten. Yeah, you don't care about the price tegment, 623 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: don't care. I'm taking that player. I'd be all down 624 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: to it. That's also something Austin that Paul Danner Junior 625 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: did when the Athletic held It's a Beat Writer mock draft. 626 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: He took Ohio State linebacker Sonny Styles. He said it 627 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: came down to Styles and Delaney and what the Bengals doing. 628 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: Free agency might provide the tiebreaker, but Styles would be 629 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: a slam dunk to drop in the middle of the defense. 630 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: If Cincinnati handles linebacker and free agency, then Mansword Delaney 631 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: would be the ideal pick, but a player that I 632 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: think a lot more people are starting to pay attention 633 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: to because what we're seeing with other players, right like 634 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: we just talked about with with Joe Daneman, all of 635 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're starting to see Caleb Down's name a 636 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: lot higher in these mock drafts, you know, as of today, 637 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: and you've major feelings on mel Kiper known mel Kuiper 638 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: had Caleb Downs going number two overall, David Bailey three, 639 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: Rvel Reas four, and then got down to number ten 640 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: and had Reuben Bain Junior still on the board for 641 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: the Bengals, which again I'm fine with that as well. 642 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: But the the interesting one here to me, and what 643 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: I kind of want to get your opinion on, is 644 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: what Joe Goodberry laid out, because Joe Goodberry, who friend 645 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: of the show, obviously went through and did a mock 646 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: draft and he asked the question, if you if you're 647 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: not able to trade down, where are you looking? Because 648 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: his mock draft saw Mendoza one and Bailey to Reese three, 649 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: Bayne four, Caleb Downs five, Sonny Style seven, Mansor Delaney eight, 650 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: So you get up to the clock number ten. You've 651 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: got Mackay Lemon, You've got Jermad McCoy. I'm trying to 652 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: think of the other players. Peter Woods, what's the tackle 653 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: from Miami? 654 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 2: Francis Malnoa, so Jordan Tyson, it's just hal Keldrick Fulk, 655 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 2: Caleb Banks. I would probably take one of the offensive 656 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 2: linemen over the corner conversation we've had. I think so too. 657 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 2: But to me, if there was a trade down scenario, 658 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 2: that would be it, right, Well, yeah, I mean clearly 659 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 2: because you feel good about basically everybody on this list, Lemon, Malinoa, McCoy, Woods, Tyson, Howe, Fulk, Banks, 660 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 2: Fanu Terrell Ball, Caden McDonald, alviega Ione, Like, yeah, you 661 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 2: feel good about every single one of those. 662 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: Dude, I mean, let me, let's go, let's go with this. 663 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: If it's David Bailey, r Vel Reese, Reuben Bain, Caleb 664 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: Downs or Sonny Styles. If it's any of those five, 665 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: you're running to the podium and turning the card in 666 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: m anyone outside of those five, you would you would 667 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: listen to the idea of trading back. You should be 668 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: listening regardless. But yes, what if, and again, I know 669 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: this is the crazy scenario. What if Carnell Tate or 670 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,879 Speaker 1: Jeremiah lover there at ten and what we just talked 671 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: about has already happened. Those five core guys that right 672 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: now we talk about a lot are off the board, 673 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: But Carnell Tate and Jeremiah lover There. 674 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 2: I don't think you should, under any circumstances consider a 675 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 2: running back. Okay, Tate, I would be fine with, I think, 676 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 2: and I think that would almost be the perfect scenario 677 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,799 Speaker 2: because then you might have one of those teams who 678 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 2: really wants Jeremiah Love. 679 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: Sure if that's the case, willing to give up a 680 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: little bit more to get into the top ten. Yeah, okay, 681 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: Because I don't think they can justify taking the running back. 682 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot being said, and I think 683 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: what would be hard by a lot of folks because 684 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: they are in need of one. I could very easily 685 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: see Jeremiah Love going to Kansas City and being a 686 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: good fit with you know, going in right next to 687 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. It would certainly give them a running game 688 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: that they desperately need right now. But I think where 689 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm at right now, and again it's only February twenty fourth, 690 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: I think there's a core group of five players that 691 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: I would sprint to the podium and take if it's 692 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,240 Speaker 1: not those five. And I'm usually one to never entertain 693 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: the thought of moving back, I would certainly entertain it 694 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: in this draft because the players available that we just 695 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 1: went through would still fill a position of need that 696 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: this team has and that this team could have going forward. 697 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,279 Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting. I again, I think a 698 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: lot changes between now and then, but as we sit 699 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: here towards the end of February, I think that's interesting. 700 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: I also found this interesting. Normally, Paul Danner Junior joins 701 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: Moe Igor on Tuesdays. Moe's not in today, but Paul 702 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: Danner Junior explained on The Growler this week about Joe Burrows. 703 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't like to use the 704 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: term pressure, but you could equate it to the pressure 705 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: that he does put on the Cincinnati Bengals. This is 706 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: I have the audio, but this is what Paul Danner 707 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 1: had to say. 708 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,919 Speaker 4: But I think he's kind of laid. He's certainly done 709 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 4: more than just lay the groundwork on. If I'm not 710 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 4: happy here, I don't plan on staying here, And he 711 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 4: gave next year and said I'm good like they're all in. 712 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 4: But it's like when I said in the beginning here 713 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 4: this being a pre sure cooker year for the whole team, 714 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,960 Speaker 4: it's because Burrow kind of sets that temperature, like I'll 715 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 4: give you this year, you better prove that you can 716 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 4: put a team around me and we can win, because 717 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 4: me and my buddy' Jamar and t might not want 718 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 4: to stick around for watching you guys, you know, hobble 719 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 4: through this thing and not be able to make anything work. 720 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: Right before that as well, he says he's changed the 721 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: way they've made decisions in recent years, and his lack 722 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: of happiness, whether he says it's because he had a 723 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 1: bad day to press conference or not, has major influence 724 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 1: inside of the building. He has called this free agency paramount. Again, 725 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: I would like to think that even if Joe Burrow 726 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,439 Speaker 1: has not said anything or has called it paramount, I'd 727 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: like to think that the organization would still be attacking 728 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,280 Speaker 1: this offseason with the same idea in the aggressive pursuit 729 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,840 Speaker 1: of a championship. As we often say. But this certainly 730 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:05,240 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt to nudge the Bengals in that direction. At 731 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: the very root of it, this to me is why 732 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,960 Speaker 1: this offseason is the biggest and most important offseason that 733 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: I remember for the Cincinnati Bengals. And again, he wants 734 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: a good defense. Paul Danner Junior capped it off on 735 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: the Grolet with that he just wants a good defense. 736 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't care, he doesn't want to feel like he 737 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: has to be perfect and score forty two every single week. 738 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: He's in a good place. He just wants to win. 739 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where everyone's at. You tried 740 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,760 Speaker 1: the experiment last year, you moved on from luey Na Rumo. 741 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: You thought Al Golden was going to put all the 742 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: pieces together. It just never worked out. This is where 743 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: we're at. And again, a lot of this is what 744 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: we've talked about in Paul Danner Junior saying the quiet 745 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,080 Speaker 1: part out loud. It is what it is right now. 746 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 1: Everyone's thinking that it's just what the Bengals now have 747 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: to go and do. Get it done. Find the trade partners, 748 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: find the free agents, identify them correctly, pay the money 749 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 1: you need to make, and then the draft should feel 750 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: like icing on the cakes your offseason. Uh, Mike is 751 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: calling in, what's up? Mike? 752 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 5: Hey, Johnny, I appreciate you, uh take time taking my call. 753 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 5: You guys were talking yesterday about, uh, the Trey Henderson 754 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 5: thing and brought up how would like the fans feel 755 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 5: like honestly, like I would steal like our you know, 756 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 5: like Drifloss. You know what we did, are one of 757 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 5: our best defensive players. But then again, if we get 758 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 5: a draft pick for it, I'm not confident in there 759 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 5: and and then picking the uh a good player for 760 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. 761 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at that that to me, it's it's 762 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: still gonna be a concern. We know they've not drafted 763 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: extremely well. And you know, if you pull in a 764 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 1: fourth or a fifth round pick for Trey Hendrickson, is 765 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: there a guarantee that you feel like it's going to 766 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: be capitalized upon? Maybe not, But to me, it just 767 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,359 Speaker 1: feels like these two sides have tried to come to 768 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: an agreement. They have not done so they're not close 769 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: to being on the same page. If you can salvage something, 770 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: then I think you have to pull the trigger. 771 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Like I said, I don't see him playing 772 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,680 Speaker 5: in a being with uniform ever again, And I agree 773 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,720 Speaker 5: with you, You've got to at least try to get something 774 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 5: out of him? Why why you can? 775 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: And I think that's what makes the combine this week 776 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: so important. On the field stuff player meetings. Yes, can 777 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: you find a team that hasn't needed that position and 778 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: is willing to part ways with a fourth round pick 779 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 1: at this point? That should be your main or one 780 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: of your main goals of this upcoming combine. 781 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 5: All right, a couple of one more things, you don't mind. 782 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 3: It? 783 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 5: What about the Brian Cook? I mean, do you think 784 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 5: we have a shot at signing him, I mean bringing 785 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 5: him back home? Or would you say do we have 786 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 5: a shot at a Caleb Downs? 787 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 1: You know, if this question were two weeks ago, I 788 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: would have said Caleb Downs. But it just feels like 789 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: there's a growing sentiment that believes that Caleb Downs is 790 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 1: going to be going higher in the draft. And if 791 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: that's the case, and if I'm the Bengals and I'm 792 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 1: operating in that sense, then I better have a backup plan. 793 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: And that backup plan could be a Brian Cook. I 794 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: think he would slot in perfectly. He's won a Super Bowl. 795 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: He brings a I think a demeanor and a leadership 796 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,960 Speaker 1: value that this team needs on the back end. I 797 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: think he brings experience that they need on the back end. 798 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: But if everything we're hearing is that teams are are 799 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: becoming a little bit more higher on Caleb downs than 800 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: if I'm the Bengals, I better do my business before 801 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: the draft at the safety position just in case. 802 00:47:59,239 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 803 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, guys. You guys have a great day. 804 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,120 Speaker 1: Thanks, Mike, appreciate it. 805 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 3: Bye bye. 806 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,439 Speaker 1: Let's go from one mic to another. Here, what's up. 807 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 7: Mike, Hey, guys, good show today. How about that we 808 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 7: already talked about. Well, I was having a procedure, so 809 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,319 Speaker 7: I couldn't hear the show on. I'm sorry about that, 810 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,799 Speaker 7: but I'm sure you talked about the Houston Laws. Yeah, 811 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 7: to the to the enigmatic Kansas before you're right, Tony 812 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 7: Peterson's got a struck boy. 813 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could. You could convince me that Kansas could 814 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: go to the Final four. You could convince me Kansas 815 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: didn't make the first weekend. 816 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:41,800 Speaker 10: I don't know that I've ever seen that with a team. 817 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,080 Speaker 10: I'm not not coming off the top of my head. 818 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 10: I think this final, this March madness, is going to 819 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 10: be out of sight this year. 820 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: I do. I think there's twelve teams that can win it. 821 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 7: All right, now, yeah, that's that's that's what you want 822 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,959 Speaker 7: as a fan. That's exactly what we want. 823 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: Yep. 824 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 7: And I was listening to the Patrick a little bit 825 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,400 Speaker 7: this morning. I don't know if you guys did, but 826 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 7: take a guess what school in the United college and 827 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 7: your university in the United States has the highest application 828 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,760 Speaker 7: total UH in year to year. I would have, let's. 829 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: Say, for this year for a college. 830 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 8: No, for a university, man, I I would probably say 831 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 8: somewhere out west. 832 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: I just don't know which one. 833 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, I was thinking a lot of State. 834 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,160 Speaker 1: Or maybe Michigan, Say Arizona. 835 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,879 Speaker 7: No, actually, Arizona State's a lot bigger than Arizona as 836 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,839 Speaker 7: far as that. But what surprising was UCLA. They get 837 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,479 Speaker 7: one hundred and fifty six thousand applications with a nine 838 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 7: percent acceptance ratio. I mean, that's that just blew my mind. 839 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,879 Speaker 7: So Dan Patrick was saying he sent both his kids 840 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 7: to the USC, but that's because he had a connection 841 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 7: and had to pay big money. Sure, anyway, it's like 842 00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 7: that's all I had. 843 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: Guys, have a great afternoon. Let's grab a break, let's 844 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: come back a quick brief segment, and then we'll get 845 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: to Chad Brendle for Quick Hits that still happens between 846 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 1: now and three o'clock on the Home of the Bengals, 847 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,879 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 848 00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 9: Are you running for office? And have a message? 849 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 1: Welcome back? Since he three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati 850 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,359 Speaker 1: Sports Station, Chad Brendle is in for Moagrit today. He'll 851 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: join us for quick Kits in just a few minutes. 852 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,879 Speaker 1: We'll talk to Chad a little bit about tonight's game 853 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: between UC and Texas, text and other college basketball happenings 854 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: right now. Austin Mark Pope has been fined twenty five 855 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, I believe by the SEC after comments he 856 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: made after after their loss to Auburn. He uh, did 857 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: you did you catch his post game at all? No, 858 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:10,200 Speaker 1: So he was very frustrated with the officiating in the 859 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: loss to Auburn, but he didn't necessarily say it at 860 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: the podium. But as he was leaving the podium, he 861 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,160 Speaker 1: looked at their ad, Kentucky's athletic director, and said, Mitch, 862 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: if those mfors try to find me, screw them. I 863 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: did not say a word about how they cheated us, 864 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: So he didn't address it and say it into the microphone, 865 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: but he said it loud enough that everyone could understand 866 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,200 Speaker 1: what he was saying. SEC said, no, maybe now you're 867 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,720 Speaker 1: still getting fined for that Miami, Ohio and Action tonight. 868 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: Actually it's just Miami, right, We've dropped the Ohio for 869 00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,400 Speaker 1: college basketball. It's Miami at Eastern Michigan tonight. That's a scary, 870 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,879 Speaker 1: dangerous Eastern Michigan team. Austin from experience, although they're much 871 00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 1: more dangerous on the road than they are at home. 872 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: Miami is a ten and a half point favorite on 873 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: the road at Eastern Michigan tonight. Mentioned Saint Louis. They 874 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,800 Speaker 1: are now number twenty three in the country. They travel 875 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: to you the Arena to take on the Dayton Flyers tonight. 876 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,839 Speaker 1: That aforementioned Kentucky team. They traveled to South Carolina. At 877 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:24,640 Speaker 1: this point, it feels like Kentucky is in must win territory, 878 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:32,839 Speaker 1: especially this game against South Carolina. It feels like Kentucky 879 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 1: I think at this point, if the tournament started, they 880 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,360 Speaker 1: would be in I know Lonardi has them on like 881 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,319 Speaker 1: the eight to nine line right now, but they are 882 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: a lost or two away from I think dropping onto 883 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,320 Speaker 1: the wrong side of the bubble. That is a paramount 884 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 1: game for Kentucky on the road at South Carolina tonight, 885 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,399 Speaker 1: and we when we get back with Chad Brendle, we'll 886 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 1: discuss a little bit more of what's coming up on 887 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: the show today for him, and we'll discuss what's going 888 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: to happen tonight at seven o'clock in Lubbock, Texas between 889 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Texas Tech. That happens when we return on 890 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 891 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 2: Now it's time for a quick hits on Tony Pikes 892 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 2: Sincy three sixty. 893 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: Was looking for Mo Mo's in Lubbock. He's getting ready 894 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,840 Speaker 1: for the Bearcats and the Red Raiders tonight, which means 895 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: for the second day in a row. Chad Brendle is 896 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,880 Speaker 1: in this seat starting at with three h five this afternoon, 897 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 1: right here on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. But 898 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: Chad nice enough to join us right now? Hi, ched Hi, 899 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,319 Speaker 1: ton Are you are? How worked up? 900 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 3: Are you? 901 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 7: Like? 902 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: Are the nerves? I'm not there cooking? You're not there yet. 903 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 11: Six thirty When when Dan and Terry take the air 904 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 11: six thirty, how many. 905 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: Hens is MO gonna toss? Tonight. 906 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 11: You know that's his thing, right, Yeah, he likes to 907 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,600 Speaker 11: slam a pen. It's a good point. How many pins? 908 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 11: What's the over on hand? 909 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:54,720 Speaker 1: Six? 910 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 11: Six pens? Six and a half? Okay, And I think 911 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,000 Speaker 11: the under. I take the under. I think Moe behaves himself. 912 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 11: I think they're playing pretty well. I mean it's like again, 913 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 11: it's no JT. Toppin it's a different Texas Tech team. Yeah, 914 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 11: a Texas Tech team that honestly, I mean, Topping's awesome, 915 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 11: don't get me wrong, but it presents a lot. I 916 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,720 Speaker 11: mean they are without Topping, they are a high major 917 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:24,439 Speaker 11: team forced to play kind of mid major basketball, high 918 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,520 Speaker 11: major talent, but the style of play. 919 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they might shoot forty threes I said points against 920 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,680 Speaker 1: albeit Texas Tech or Kansas State, but it's now a 921 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,799 Speaker 1: team when you take Topping out of the lineup. They 922 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: don't have a ton of height. No, they're not extremely 923 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: big on the inside. The front court played awesome for 924 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,440 Speaker 1: UC against Kansas, but you got to look at a 925 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: guy and Christian Anderson Donovan atwell and his first game 926 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: without JT. Topping had twenty sixty other night. So it's 927 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: it's insane because you take one player off a roster 928 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: and it completely changes how that team's going to operate. 929 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: But it's an opportunity tonight for the Cincinnati better opportunity 930 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean, but probably people didn't think we're going to 931 00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,239 Speaker 1: present itself even a week ago at this point. 932 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,839 Speaker 11: And look the reality is, if they're gonna do this, 933 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,760 Speaker 11: the best way to do it is to get tc 934 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 11: or to get Texas Tech and get BYU because then 935 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 11: you're talking for protected seed quad one A type wins. 936 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,200 Speaker 11: And when you get to here's are you ready? Are 937 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:33,200 Speaker 11: you ready for the new term this year wins above bubble. 938 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,400 Speaker 1: Okay, that is they talked about it on the. 939 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,040 Speaker 11: Preview show where they revealed the top four seeds, Like 940 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,200 Speaker 11: that is the metric this year. From everything they have indicated, 941 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,680 Speaker 11: wins above bubble is the buzzword for this year. 942 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,000 Speaker 1: If you've got. 943 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,879 Speaker 11: Iowa State, Kansas on the road, Texas Tech on the road, 944 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,359 Speaker 11: and potentially by you, your wins above bubble is going 945 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 11: to match the bubble's rear end. 946 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 1: So you know, Oklahoma State's not going to move the needle. 947 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 11: TCU is a bubble team, so they're not They're not 948 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,400 Speaker 11: going to be wins above bubble. They're going to be bubble. 949 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,400 Speaker 11: So tonight, in a week from tonight, are go time. 950 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,839 Speaker 11: If this team is going to pull off the unthinkable. 951 00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 11: They were dead yea dead in the water two and 952 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,239 Speaker 11: a half week West Virginia, West Virginia, dead in the 953 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 11: water after the West Virginia game, and. 954 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 1: So like a coach that was dead in the water. 955 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:41,280 Speaker 11: Yeah, everything everything felt like we are headed for a reset. 956 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,360 Speaker 1: I saw on the injury report Seanna bib is questionable 957 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: at this point with how they've played. Are you even 958 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:49,520 Speaker 1: running him back out there? 959 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 11: If he's healthy. I think you could use him a 960 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,239 Speaker 11: little bit. Yeah, you know, like I but if you 961 00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,719 Speaker 11: look at it, Tony, that's kind of how they were 962 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,959 Speaker 11: using him before he sprained his ankle. 963 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,319 Speaker 1: They were using him twelve fourteen. They've just been really 964 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,560 Speaker 1: good at that. Seven guys getting core minutes. 965 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, that's that's where you want it, I 966 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 11: think at this time of year. But here's the thing 967 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 11: that people don't think about the past two years. Wes 968 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,920 Speaker 11: has done that. Sure, they've been down to seven guys 969 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 11: with like a guy or two playing eight minutes or 970 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,400 Speaker 11: whatever behind those main seven, and they've lost. So it's 971 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 11: not just an instant cure all. But with this team one, 972 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,360 Speaker 11: I think you're just absolutely at your best with Jayalen 973 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 11: Celestine at the three. Yeah, Like, I don't know if 974 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 11: people realize how much of a difference he has made 975 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 11: since he was inserted into that starting lineup, and offensively 976 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,640 Speaker 11: they're just a ton better. That's where Sean would play. 977 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,800 Speaker 11: So you just you hate to look back and do 978 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 11: the what if game? Sure, but because you're you're gonna 979 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,240 Speaker 11: fight similar to one of the Bearcats. Are you see 980 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 11: West Virginia? Yeah, who has had two awful well, one 981 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 11: awful loss the home law to Utah's a bad, one bad, 982 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 11: but you're losing both of those to West Virginia. 983 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: The Arizona State game that still stings. But this team, 984 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: regardless of how bad it was, has a chance with 985 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 1: four remaining, to play themselves into the conversation. That's the 986 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,320 Speaker 1: thing I mean into the tournament. 987 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,800 Speaker 11: If you go three and one with wins over Texas 988 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 11: Tech and BYU, I have a hard time seeing them 989 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 11: not being on the right side of playing UCLA in dayool. 990 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,280 Speaker 1: Is there a path if they don't win tonight, but 991 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 1: they win the next three and they say win two 992 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,280 Speaker 1: in the Big twelve tournament. Does that still lend itself 993 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,000 Speaker 1: an opportunity? 994 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,880 Speaker 11: At first, I would just eliminate any talk of the 995 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,240 Speaker 11: Big Twelve Tournament helping. Yeah, we have seen for three 996 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,960 Speaker 11: years now. Sure the tournament just doesn't move the needle. Now, 997 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,360 Speaker 11: if they go three and one, there's a pretty good 998 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 11: chance they finished seventh or eighth in the in the 999 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,360 Speaker 11: regular season standings. If you finish seventh or eighth, your 1000 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,920 Speaker 11: second game in the Big Twelve Tournament, it's going to 1001 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,480 Speaker 11: be Arizona or Houston. 1002 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1003 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 11: So yeah, if you if you beat a one or 1004 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,120 Speaker 11: a two seed in the change it, maybe that helps 1005 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 11: you a little bit. But three and one with wins 1006 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,200 Speaker 11: over Oklahoma State by U and TCU on the road 1007 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 11: would make it a sweat. 1008 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, but again, here we are talking about sweating 1009 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:21,560 Speaker 1: as opposed. 1010 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:25,480 Speaker 11: To as as opposed to waiting for the coach to 1011 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 11: be fired and a coaching search to begin. 1012 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, all on the line tonight at seven o'clock. Your 1013 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,840 Speaker 1: show starts at three h five. What else is coming 1014 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,840 Speaker 1: up other than some college hoops? I mean, we're gonna 1015 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: be live reacting, right. Duke Tobin is speaking, Zach Zach 1016 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: Taylor is speaking. Richard Skinner will join me at five 1017 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,000 Speaker 1: o'clock after talking to Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor. Is 1018 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,000 Speaker 1: Skinny at the combine? 1019 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 11: Yeah, he's wow. Wait, I said, what time can I 1020 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 11: get you? He said after four? And I said, all right, 1021 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 11: we'll do five and then so Kentucky basketball five point thirty. 1022 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. 1023 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,640 Speaker 11: So I'm probably just gonna talk to Skinny until it's 1024 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,000 Speaker 11: time to go to Kentucky basketball. So we'll do that. 1025 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 11: We'll do We'll do a little bit of Reds, Reds 1026 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 11: reaction time, Reds reaction. Andrew Abbott starting, Yeah, I think 1027 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 11: the biggest question for this team for me to be 1028 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 11: answered in spring training are that do they get out 1029 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,720 Speaker 11: of it healthy and are they at a point where 1030 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,280 Speaker 11: they can comfortably feel like they have a big three 1031 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 11: at the top of their rotation. Because what we can't 1032 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 11: have this year, Tony. If you look at the innings 1033 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,080 Speaker 11: count for these three guys, one of them has always 1034 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 11: missed as Met over the past three years, has missed 1035 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,920 Speaker 11: a significant sure chunk of the season. One hundred and 1036 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,960 Speaker 11: fifty innings is about the ceiling for these three guys. 1037 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 11: That can't happen for this team to have the type 1038 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 11: of success. I don't care what your depth looks like 1039 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,160 Speaker 11: in Louisville, Brandon Williamson and Luis Agiar and Rhet Louder 1040 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:16,800 Speaker 11: and whatever that looks like, Green Lodolo An Abbott. They 1041 01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,320 Speaker 11: have to carry the load, and it is time in 1042 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:24,640 Speaker 11: their career. One hundred and fifty innings is not a 1043 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,480 Speaker 11: lot of innings. It's it's thirty starts. What five innings 1044 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 11: a start? That's not great, right, that's each guy missing 1045 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,440 Speaker 11: at least six starts and only averaging five innings. And 1046 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 11: the Reds are gonna need more than that. We can 1047 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,320 Speaker 11: talk till we're blue in the face about the offense 1048 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,600 Speaker 11: and more pop and more power and more runs. But 1049 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 11: if you don't have those three guys for thirty plus 1050 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,000 Speaker 11: starts at six innings a start, I don't know that 1051 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 11: they have enough to get where they want to go. 1052 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,080 Speaker 1: Also, as Austin pointed out earlier today, it feels like 1053 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 1: to what people at least today would expect to see 1054 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 1: maybe an opening day for the starting lineup. Maybe maybe 1055 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 1: you move out Dane Myers, and I know he fits 1056 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,960 Speaker 1: into that, but you get freedom McLean, Ellie Suarez, Steer, 1057 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Benson Stevenson and Marte all in the lineup today, so 1058 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 1: certainly something to watch. 1059 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 11: There as well as Yeah, I get that that's Abbitt 1060 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 11: probably won't be the opening day starter, but like if 1061 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,240 Speaker 11: you told me that's what opening day look like, your 1062 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,800 Speaker 11: all star pitcher and that group of nine. 1063 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,360 Speaker 1: Okay, so really not a not a bad day at 1064 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:31,960 Speaker 1: the office for you. 1065 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,760 Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean you got the bad end of it, 1066 01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,560 Speaker 11: not getting Duke and Zach just yeah, by the. 1067 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 1: Way, Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor, you can hear that 1068 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 1: tomorrow as well on sinty three sixty. They're gonna hear 1069 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 1: it today. Yeah, on the chance people can't listen it 1070 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,280 Speaker 1: at three o'clock. You got here at twelve oh five. 1071 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: So what do you think? 1072 01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,880 Speaker 11: It might look like he had some barbecue last night. 1073 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 11: I know, looks like he's enjoying Lubbock. It's I think 1074 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 11: it's eighty four degrees in Lubbock today. Not terrible, it 1075 01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 11: doesn't matter. Just get a win. 1076 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,439 Speaker 1: You ever been a love it? Yes, it's hard, it's hard. 1077 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,640 Speaker 1: You're trying to get four. Yeah, they did. Sima's Lukasias 1078 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Austin has said on the air today that he will 1079 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: not come to work tomorrow if you see winds tonight. 1080 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,800 Speaker 2: Don't tell me that's not That's not the UC thing. 1081 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,200 Speaker 2: That's a Tony Pike thing. Yeah, so it's a UC thing. 1082 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,760 Speaker 2: It is like you're tying that to my UC fan. 1083 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Hut, Like you would think that my guy here would 1084 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,880 Speaker 1: want me to experience that Joyce's got your way back. Yep. 1085 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,200 Speaker 11: I mean you're well, you're a Cincinnati Bearcat's Hall of Famer. 1086 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: He just doesn't want me. He wants to take away 1087 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,880 Speaker 1: that joy tonight. That's not what I said. He wants 1088 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,400 Speaker 1: to see me suffer. It's not a true jubilation. I'm 1089 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,920 Speaker 1: just saying I got to look out for me a 1090 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,280 Speaker 1: little bit here. Well, here's the deal. Just go ahead 1091 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: and start prepping. If they win tonight, we're going to 1092 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,800 Speaker 1: talk about destinations for March Madness tomorrow. This is Tony 1093 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Pike since he three sixty with Tony p Wow, thank you, Chad, 1094 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,840 Speaker 1: thank you. Just needed some support. We're done. I hope 1095 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,080 Speaker 1: everyone listening has a great Tuesday to talk to me 1096 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,640 Speaker 1: for the d I hope everyone listening enjoys the games tonight, 1097 01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: and Chad Brendle is next The Chad Brendle Show on 1098 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,600 Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports. 1099 01:04:17,360 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 6: Station bub bub boom,