WEBVTT - 2-26-26 Sloan with David Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be an American idiot? Scott's film

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<v Speaker 1>show back on seven hundred w WELW. Ohio activists want

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<v Speaker 1>to eliminate your property build tax entirely. Sound good? Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>wait to hear what it could do to the sales tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So, rising property taxes are pricing a lot homeowners out

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<v Speaker 1>of their homes. We've seen increases mildly twenty eight percent,

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<v Speaker 1>but all the way up to one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>percent across southwest Ohio here, and the committee who abolished

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<v Speaker 1>property taxes is gathering signatures or a constitutional amendment that

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<v Speaker 1>they want to put on the November ballots. So what's

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<v Speaker 1>the good, the bad and the ugly of this? Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>Representative David Thomas out of Jefferson, I said, Jefferson, not Jeffersonville.

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<v Speaker 1>That's in the how up here Ashtra Bulah Warren, Northeast Ohio. David,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the show. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, appreciate it. Governor de Wine warned about abolishing taxes

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<v Speaker 1>and we'd see the tax rate jump up to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent from the five point seventy five Now and other

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<v Speaker 1>people say they're full of it. So, uh, do you

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<v Speaker 1>agree with the math? Is the math math on this one?

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<v Speaker 1>And even if it's close to ACR, can you justify

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<v Speaker 1>that trade off?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great question. I think this shows just

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<v Speaker 2>how upset and frustrated people are with the property tax system.

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<v Speaker 2>But the math mass if you do essentially a one

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<v Speaker 2>for one. So right now, roughly twenty four billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>is how much property taxes collect in every year, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that money stays to the local level that

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<v Speaker 2>funds your local services. And if you were to eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>that twenty four billion, you would have to and I

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<v Speaker 2>would assume most people would still want their local police departments,

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<v Speaker 2>their fire their road services, all those different types of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you'd have to pull that revenue from somewhere else. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>many folks who are very strong behind abolishing you know, say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm perfectly fine to have a much much higher sales

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<v Speaker 2>tax if that means I no longer have it on

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<v Speaker 2>the property tax side, right, And so that that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of one of the trade offs that people have to

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<v Speaker 2>think about. But twenty percent, you know, that is essentially yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that that's the number that we would likely have to

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<v Speaker 2>get because areas like yours down in southwest Ohio, areas

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<v Speaker 2>like Maya, Northeast Ohio. We have other states around us,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you're going to have people who leave the

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<v Speaker 2>states to buy things. You're going to have less activity

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<v Speaker 2>because things are going to be much more expensive. So

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have the sales tax even higher than

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<v Speaker 2>what you would directly need to replace that about twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a question. So let's say, just for giggles here,

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<v Speaker 1>that they're successful again on the ballot. People Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to pay any more. Proper decks my

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<v Speaker 1>home are great. I don't have to pay this anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>They came out and said, look, it's not our responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to replace that twenty plus billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in annual revenue that falls on the General Assembly.

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<v Speaker 1>People like yourself, David Thomas. What's your answer? Where would

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<v Speaker 1>even be getting to look for that kind of money?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're saying the twenty percent tax wouldn't work,

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<v Speaker 1>but what other options are there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they are correct, and that's kind of the I

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<v Speaker 2>think the committee quite often, I know the leadership personally.

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<v Speaker 2>They've allowed us to do a lot of the reform

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<v Speaker 2>that we've done this past year because people now realize

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<v Speaker 2>just how set folks are over property taxes. But essentially

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<v Speaker 2>it is our responsibility. There's actually a constitutional amendment two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago in North Dakota that very similar abolish everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It failed because it put in essentially the replacement revenue,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think people then saw in the ballot, whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>this will happen if the abolished and so they said no.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's no way, no physical way that Ohio would

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<v Speaker 2>go up to a twenty percent sales tax. It'd be impossible, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so then you have to look at essentially cutting costs.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to decrease how much money you're actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to need for those services.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I tend to lean more libertarian all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, but in the way I look at it

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<v Speaker 1>as look, it's the least bad tax in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>In this group and middlely, we don't like property taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't really want to cut services that they fund.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite going you know, government's bloated and fat and dozed

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<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff, which I get, but when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to services that you use are available, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do that. So it's contradictory on our

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<v Speaker 1>part for sure. And I think property taxes just are

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<v Speaker 1>generally less distortionary. You know, you can, as you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>being in northeast Ohio and us here in southwest Ohio. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you don't like the prices because the

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<v Speaker 1>sales tax is twenty percent, you can choose to do

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<v Speaker 1>business in India and Kentucky. Well, the same is true

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<v Speaker 1>with property tax. A lot of people I work with

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<v Speaker 1>live in Kentucky for that reason. So you can move

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<v Speaker 1>to places where you're less heavily taxed with avoid the

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<v Speaker 1>local sales tax and income taxes. I mean, real estate

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<v Speaker 1>generally has to stay put. If you're a business owner,

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<v Speaker 1>you can choose where you live. But I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>know that this is the Hey, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>pay taxes, but I want someone else to pay for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well who's that going to be?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's a very interesting point you spart up

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<v Speaker 2>about the business side. So businesses currently pay about a

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<v Speaker 2>third to a half, depending on your local area and

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of makes up the community, they pay a

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<v Speaker 2>third to a half of the property tax bill. So

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<v Speaker 2>one of the I guess the issues of concerns that

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<v Speaker 2>I have is if you abolish and get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>all property taxation, you're also been getting rid of property

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<v Speaker 2>taxes on your lawmarks and on your manufacturing and your

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<v Speaker 2>your data centers. Bring up that fun topic, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know then what happens when you have to move it

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<v Speaker 2>over the income and sales tax. You're actually shifting that

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<v Speaker 2>over to the individual as opposed to have in the

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<v Speaker 2>business pay. So there's a lot of kind of philosophical

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<v Speaker 2>questions about what could happen and what's a better way

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, And I think it just brings up

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<v Speaker 2>the whole idea that we can't we've not done any

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<v Speaker 2>type of major changes on a property tax system in

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<v Speaker 2>fifty years. Nineteen seventy six was the last time. So

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<v Speaker 2>it just really shows, you know, we've been overdue. And

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<v Speaker 2>last year we've passed five strong bills plus was in

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<v Speaker 2>the budget to really kind of correct what happened. And

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind, we've essentially now said that the frustration

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<v Speaker 2>that voters have, which is their tax bill goes up,

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<v Speaker 2>they never had to say on it, and it's all

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<v Speaker 2>because of the value spiking. Local government is getting unvoted

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<v Speaker 2>windfalls that they just didn't really need. We've essentially stopped

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<v Speaker 2>that moving forward, that will not continue. So voters now

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot more of that control with what levees

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<v Speaker 2>are on the ballot, what do they actually want to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for in support. But you know what percentage of

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<v Speaker 2>levees passed last year in November, Okay, eighty seven percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So despite there being one hundreds of thousand centatures being

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<v Speaker 2>collected a lot of people angry at property taxes, voters

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<v Speaker 2>still approved eighty seven percent of the levees across Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a disconnect there. But there's also a thing

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<v Speaker 2>of sense that if you're asked, hey, do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to support your local fire department with this levee for

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<v Speaker 2>a fire truck, typically you're going to say yes. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're forced to pay over five hundred or one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars more your tax bill and you had no

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<v Speaker 2>say over that, that's when you get really upset, and

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<v Speaker 2>rightfully so, because that shouldn't happen. So we're correcting that

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Ohio represent of David Thomas, and he is

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<v Speaker 1>the foremost expert, the generalist when it comes to this

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<v Speaker 1>property tax You should I'm having them on because they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get this on the ballot. A group called

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<v Speaker 1>Abolish Ohio Property Taxes gathering signatures for a constitutional amendment

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<v Speaker 1>in November that would eliminate our property taxes. The problem

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<v Speaker 1>is they're like, well, we don't know how to replace it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's y'all's job at in Columbus. We just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>any more. Property taxes could be as high as twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent or more the sales tax we pay in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be devastating to border cities like Cincinnati, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>We already cut the local government fund I think back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty thirteen, and that FOS forced local communities to

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<v Speaker 1>engage these levies in the first place. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>push to abolished property taxes now the state with I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the finish what they started, right, Aren't you just shifting

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<v Speaker 1>the burden rather reducing it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. I get asked a lot. Your

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<v Speaker 2>state tax dollars pre twenty thirteen per twenty ten used

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<v Speaker 2>to send a ton I think we had eight income

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<v Speaker 2>tax brackets. You just sent a tone down to Columbus,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was Columbus decided, Okay, who's the winner,

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<v Speaker 2>who's the losers? And how much do local communities get.

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<v Speaker 2>And the philosophy from twenty ten to now has been

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<v Speaker 2>you should be sending a whole lot less to Columbus

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<v Speaker 2>and then you have more money to decide do I

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<v Speaker 2>want to support that fire department or the library or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever local levee. And it's kind of local communities then

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<v Speaker 2>picking what type of services they want versus that money

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<v Speaker 2>going on to Columbus and then hoping to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you're absolutely right, we have cut the little government

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<v Speaker 2>fund that's the money that Columbus sends the local government

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty ten. Now every year since then we've actually

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<v Speaker 2>been increased in that percentage, and now it's not back

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<v Speaker 2>to where it wasn't twenty ten, but it's pretty close. Alver,

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<v Speaker 2>what is absolutely different than is our income tax rate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're now the lowest flat income tax in

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<v Speaker 2>the nation at two point seventy five percent, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to keep decreasing that. So there's there's trade

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<v Speaker 2>oops with that. But in my mind, less to Columbus

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<v Speaker 2>more in your pocket. To the side you might be

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<v Speaker 2>paying more because you're being asked and you want to

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<v Speaker 2>support the local services. I'd rather that money stay there

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<v Speaker 2>than they come down to the Statehouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, this is the cost of that local

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<v Speaker 1>money not coming back as well. We have to add

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<v Speaker 1>more and more levees and now we're seeing property tax

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<v Speaker 1>values go up and like and people are now I

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<v Speaker 1>get it, but we we still have to fund government.

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<v Speaker 1>Property tax is fun like sixty five percent of local

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<v Speaker 1>government revenue. So school fire, police, ems. What for you

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<v Speaker 1>were in northeast Ohio, what do you tell your constituents

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<v Speaker 1>if this happens and those things will have to be reduced?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, which one do you pick? Can you do

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<v Speaker 1>without schools, fire police or ms?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's a great point too, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>essentially less money from Columbus to local governments. Your comment

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<v Speaker 2>of they've essentially moved over the levees to help make

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<v Speaker 2>the difference up, But that didn't actually have to be

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<v Speaker 2>the case. And my main kind of comments to my constituents,

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<v Speaker 2>especially my local governments, have been we have to change

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<v Speaker 2>that mindset that's always the property owner that we go to. Counties,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, have a sales tax option. Already we actually

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<v Speaker 2>see Montgomery County funding their social services not through property

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<v Speaker 2>taxes but through sales tax, or Washington County actually decreasing

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<v Speaker 2>their township property taxes and making it up in a

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<v Speaker 2>sales tax. That's one option at the county level. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously cities and villages they should have the lowest property

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<v Speaker 2>taxes in the state because they have the income tax

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<v Speaker 2>locally and that can vary as well. And schools actually

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<v Speaker 2>have an income tax option also, So there's other ways

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<v Speaker 2>to fund our local governments, and we've given different options

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<v Speaker 2>besides just the property needs. Yeah, and you know that's

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<v Speaker 2>one thing now, but then if abolish happens, I would

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<v Speaker 2>envision that kind of tell folks whatever other option that

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<v Speaker 2>community has, city, village, township, county, they'll likely just increase

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<v Speaker 2>and move up tremendously that that tax revery. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He's represent David Thomas Rep. In the Ashtabulah Warren area,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is a guy who is the foremost expert,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say in General Assembly on property tax because

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<v Speaker 1>we're all sweating right now. We're seeing rates go up

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<v Speaker 1>as high as one hundred and thirty percent here in

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<v Speaker 1>southwest Ohio and a lot of people just screaming stop

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<v Speaker 1>the pain. And there's a group out there that's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the ballot. November just that a constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>amendment that would eliminate Ohio's property tax. But we got

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for fiery ms, school police, all that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get in your road. We had a rough

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<v Speaker 1>winner here. I know you had a rough winner too,

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<v Speaker 1>especially up north. We got hammer down here in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>and hey, you know'd be nice if we can get

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<v Speaker 1>some plows out there. That's a question as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even and you're a Republican. Hamlet County Auditor

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica Miranda is a Democrat, says called I had her

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<v Speaker 1>on on a year or so ago talking about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, it's tax shifting, not tax relief. That

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<v Speaker 1>we keep cutting its obligations to locals from the state

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<v Speaker 1>and it appears to help taxpayers, but it just kicks

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<v Speaker 1>the can down to a different area. It's not really

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<v Speaker 1>it's just tax shifting. It's not like, wow, I got

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<v Speaker 1>my taxes, go hey, this is great. Yeah, but we

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<v Speaker 1>still got to pay for stuff. How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 1>When Democrats and Republicans agree, it sounds like there's impetus

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe make them change.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's ultimate question is what level of government

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<v Speaker 2>is actually the largest and what is actual tax reform.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind, actual tax reform is the taxpayer paying

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<v Speaker 2>less overall, and it's the government getting less than overall.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we continue to essentially promp up and make

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<v Speaker 2>larger one area of government, which would then be for example,

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<v Speaker 2>local government, all that really does is actually hate your

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<v Speaker 2>tax money. It doesn't relieve you or decrease your burden.

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<v Speaker 2>It just actually is increasing and almost promoting larger growth.

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<v Speaker 2>A perfect example of that, I say is the school systems.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've probably heard and everyone says all of the

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<v Speaker 2>state's cutting school funding, the state's cutting school funding. We

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<v Speaker 2>have actually been increasing your tax dollars to public schools

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<v Speaker 2>since twenty twenty, for example, every year almost a billion

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<v Speaker 2>two billion dollars and so tremendous amounts more in taxpayer

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<v Speaker 2>dollars going to local schools. And if that theory were correct,

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<v Speaker 2>that essentially the statements needs to pay more to local governments,

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<v Speaker 2>then our school system should not need as much property

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<v Speaker 2>tax money. But what's actually happened over the last five years,

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<v Speaker 2>as the state has increased school funding tremendously, schools have received,

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<v Speaker 2>asked for taken even more on the property tax side,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're essentially the philosophy that more is never enough,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there has to be some type of limit,

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<v Speaker 2>some type of control over that government size of government spending,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's essentially trying to decrease in taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned school funding there that was ruled on

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<v Speaker 1>constitual health. Well, I think even before I was doing

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<v Speaker 1>talk Raati for goodnessake back in the nineties, and the

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<v Speaker 1>state still has yeah fully implemented fair school funding. So

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<v Speaker 1>if that disappears, that's a whole other crisis there isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>The ninety seven decision, and that's the Darraf decision. It

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<v Speaker 2>didn't actually say that property taxes were un constitutional for schools,

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<v Speaker 2>or that it was the taxpayer who was being served unduly.

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<v Speaker 2>It was actually more of the student. So we were

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<v Speaker 2>back then essentially giving a whole bunch of money to

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy areas, wealthy school districts and helping them wealthy kids

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<v Speaker 2>versus your poor kids were really being left out. And

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<v Speaker 2>so now what we essentially do. We've had eight different

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<v Speaker 2>funding formulas since nineteen ninety seven, and we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>balance out the playing fields. So your wealthier areas, your

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<v Speaker 2>state tax dollars still go to those schools, but a

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<v Speaker 2>very smaller amount than your poorer areas. Think of in

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<v Speaker 2>my neck of the woods, East Cleveland's Youngstown City schools.

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<v Speaker 2>Those schools receive almost thirty thousand dollars per kid from

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<v Speaker 2>your state tax dollars versus your wealthier school districts, those

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<v Speaker 2>received tremendously less. And that's essentially what that constitutional decision

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<v Speaker 2>said we hadn't moved towards is trying to give an

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<v Speaker 2>equal opportunity for each of his kids, regardless of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wealthier or poor. But using property taxes or local revenue,

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<v Speaker 2>I think has to be a piece of that school

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<v Speaker 2>funding side. When I tell folks that we spend over

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<v Speaker 2>thirty billion dollars on public schools, their eyes just get

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<v Speaker 2>wide because that that is over a third to almost

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<v Speaker 2>half of our state budget.

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<v Speaker 1>And look at the results we get. That's a separate

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<v Speaker 1>argument entirely. David, Oh, all right, that's insane. So I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to I Want Bill Sites Bill Sites when he

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<v Speaker 1>was in office, he was part of Mike Dwin's working group,

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<v Speaker 1>and they came up with I believe twenty targeted relief recommendations,

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<v Speaker 1>homestead exemptions, deferrals, levy reform, inflation caps. Well, why didn't

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<v Speaker 1>that fix the problem, or why shouldn't have to fix the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you put the smartest minds out there. They said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the plan, and here we are. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I joke, I'm the most speech tooled legislator right now.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these different reforms were actually in the

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<v Speaker 2>state budget last year. The governor vetoed almost all of

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<v Speaker 2>them and then formed his working group to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what should we do? What if these policies are good?

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<v Speaker 2>Back and bill sites. The working group actually backed up

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<v Speaker 2>most of those policies that were in the budget, and

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<v Speaker 2>then other ones too, So we passed five different bills

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<v Speaker 2>this past year. Those bills essentially stop them voted spikes,

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<v Speaker 2>they give a lot more clarity on the ballot voter control,

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<v Speaker 2>and they actually start decreasing tax bills starting second half

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<v Speaker 2>of this year. So those were essentially the biggest changes

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<v Speaker 2>we've made to the property tax system in fifty years.

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<v Speaker 2>We still have a ton more to do, but we

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<v Speaker 2>actually hit almost half of the recommendations of that study

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<v Speaker 2>committee just last year alone in those five different bills.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, David should voter listening to this thing, But four

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<v Speaker 1>or against the proposal maybe getting on the belt in November.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think that this is the right thing

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and I think that there's a lot of validity,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would not begrudge anyone from voting yes because

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<v Speaker 2>of just how bad the system has gotten. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that we can do a lot of good and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of changes that does not blow up the system

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<v Speaker 2>and cause us to essentially have to redo everything, because unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>there's about a month turnarounds from when folks vote to

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<v Speaker 2>when this happens, and you're talking about the largest change

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio structure in our history happening in about one month.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather do that more planned out, more kind of

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<v Speaker 2>long term, and have those changes actually help an impact

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<v Speaker 2>versus what could happen in that part amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've seen this before. Bus listens with the marijuana thing,

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<v Speaker 1>is that people want something and the legislature doesn't do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they come up with a grassroots effort in

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<v Speaker 1>the legislature steps and so why well, hold on a second,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what's happening here. We'll find out how

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<v Speaker 1>it plays out again. Ohio represent David Thomas up in

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson and northeast O Hiah, thanks for coming on the

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<v Speaker 1>show this morning. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Be Will it's a Scott's Loan show. Uh yeah, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's America and we want everyone else to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for what we want. I don't want. I want something,

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<v Speaker 1>but you should pay for it. Welcome to the United States.

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