1 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: The following takes place between six pm and seven pm. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: You want answers? I think I'm entitled, Joe, what answer 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: the truth? 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: You can't handle the truth? 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 2: Truth? Truth? 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: All right, let's get right to it. No time to waste. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: Welcome in rnail Carry or Sports Talk presented by Kelsey 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Chevrolet on Lance McAllister Man, I'm glad you were here. 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Buckle up, we gotta go. We've got basketball coming up. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Bottom of the hour. My first guest tonight covers the 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: Bengals and Reds for Charlie's Chalkboard. Get an email to 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: you daily for free through Substack. Read him at Fox 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: nineteen dot com. He's a regular contributor for Fox nineteen 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: now through their digital shows. That must mean we are 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: talking with Charlie Goldsmith and Charlie. I wonder what if 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: anything caught your eye in Mike Brown's statement yesterday. 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: It was the the nouns and the use of they 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: and there. I guess those would be the pronouns. It's 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: only the second time, kind of during this modern era 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: of Bengals football, that Mike has released a statement like this. 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: He had done press conferences and such earlier in his tenure, 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: but the first example of this was twenty twenty, were 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: coming off, you know, the Joe Burrow injury season. Mike said, 24 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: Dak needs to do better. You know, we trust Zach 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: and Duke Copin, who is kind of a face of 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: the front office at the time wasn't even mentioned. But 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: then following three or four straight off seasons that have 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: been you know, nowhere near productive enough. I blame roster 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: construction personally much more than coaching on how the Bengals 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: are where they are right now. Following all of that, 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: Mike Brown named Duke. He said Zack and Duke, he 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: said they, he said, they're putting them together. Was really 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: something we've never seen before between a head coach and 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: a personnel guy whose last name wasn't Brown in the 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: history of the Bengals organization. 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Charlie, I thought you made a great point in one 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: of your recent like chalkboards, mentioning how it will be 38 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: interesting to see how outside free agents view this situation 39 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: compared to how they viewed it maybe a couple of 40 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: years ago. 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: Explain, so they're running it back with the same coaching staff, obviously, 42 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 2: the same front office, and they're betting on the same 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: people coming up with different results. And now, what you know, 44 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: we think of that, what you know, the guys in 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: the locker room think of that. That doesn't even matter 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: as much as what the free agents they're going to 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: try to sign and March think of that because at 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: the end of the day, while money certainly talks, We've 49 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: seen Orlando Brown, Hayden Hurst, and Mike Esicki, Alex Kappa, 50 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: I can name others some very very obvious examples to 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 2: I know just by knowing those guys signed with Cincinnati 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: and put a concrete, truth, angible value in the ability 53 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: to compete for championships. In some ways, they were ring chasers, 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: and the Bengals had that benefit of a doubt. The Bengals, 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: we all know, they know need multiple free agents who 56 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: can impact their defense, and some of them will certainly 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: be able to win over with a nice offer, But 58 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: then some of them there's gonna need to be that 59 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: tiebreaker and do the free agents on the market still 60 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: believe in what they see externally going on in Cincinnati. 61 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: It will be a case by case basis, but I 62 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: think that's the million dollar questions. 63 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: The theme will certainly be of this offseason fixing the defense. 64 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: I think you could make a case and and argue 65 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: players on all three levels, but is there a priority 66 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: spot in your mind that needs to be addressed. 67 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 2: You knowing these guys and how they view football, and 68 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: how they game plan for opposing teams at an offense, 69 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: how they game plan for defenses, it always starts with 70 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: the defensive front and the pass rush. And over the 71 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: last you could argue even it was the weakness of 72 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two Bengals is 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: while Trey Henderson was awesome, and while Sam Hubbard won 74 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: an incredible Bengals career, really aside from those guys and 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one BJ Hill, you weren't getting enough pass 76 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: rush across the rest of the unit. And that's something 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: that when you look at the teams that give the 78 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: Bengals the most trouble, they do it with their defensive lines. 79 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: It's literally the quickest way to impact the quarterback in 80 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: the most straightforward way. So I see the Bengals being 81 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: most aggressive there. I see their biggest need even at 82 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: defensive end, even over something like free safety, and I 83 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 2: think they'll finally try to get that pass rushing defensive 84 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: tackle as well. 85 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: I think everybody understands the importance of the off season. 86 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: I think you raise another great point. A year ago 87 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: in the off season, they weren't very good at multitasking 88 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: as an organization, were they. 89 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bengals kind of had their thesis statement yesterday, 90 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: you know was Dach Taylor's press conference. He said, the 91 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: big thing this year will be year two of Al. 92 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: And he said the scouts know, and Duke knows, and 93 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: I know, and we all have an idea of who 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: we are and what we're about. But that idea kind 95 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: of just raises another question, which was you know you 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: at that much of a disadv at that much of 97 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: a disadvantage in year one of Olt, Like you know, 98 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: where was the delayed process of getting this coaching stat 99 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: together to how I was in the college football playoffs? 100 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: And then you had to rebuild a staff many of 101 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: them had never worked together, most of whom who've never 102 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: worked together before. Only Al had worked with the Bengals before. 103 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: Among the additions, did it take that long and hamper 104 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: your ability to be as prepared as you needed to 105 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: be for a free agency? Boy, that's not a good 106 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: thing for an organization to have the case about it 107 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: so you know, the answer to what will be better 108 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: this year also raises the question of, man, what was 109 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: going on last year? 110 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: Charlie, Is there something in particular that you are interested 111 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: to hear Duke Tobin address on Friday? 112 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: My biggest question, and I'm going to try to figure 113 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: out the best way to phrase this, is kind of 114 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: why is Duke doing this? No matter what it is, 115 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: whether it's a pass rush scheme or a special teams 116 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: personnel grouping, I always look for what's happening that we've 117 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: never seen before that's interesting to me, And you know, 118 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: obviously was Paul Brown. Paul Brown wasn't going to put 119 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: out a statement about himself speaking as the owner about 120 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: himself as the GM. Mike Brown wasn't going to do that. 121 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: And then really Duke kind of became a face of 122 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: this front office in twenty nineteen and since then, obviously 123 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 2: there hasn't been a single postseason press conference that featured Dope, 124 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: featured Duke Cobin in this way on the Bengals home turf. 125 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: So what's changed to get to this point? Now? What 126 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: are the different pressure points that leads to this sense 127 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: of accountability that we've never seen represented in the Bengals 128 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: front office before. 129 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: He's Charlie Goldsmith. He is a must read, Charlie for 130 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: those listening who do want to read, how would they 131 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: go about doing that? 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: He nailed it up front. Thanks Lance. Charlie Shockward on 133 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: substack Fox nineteen. You can find it there as well. 134 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: The Growler podcast Power Stacks coming back soon with red 135 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: vests coming up. Excited about baseball season as well. 136 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it has been too long. I always enjoy our conversations. 137 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: Thanks for making time tonight. 138 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, There you go. 139 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: Charlie Goldsmith on the Bengals News over the last twenty 140 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: four hours.