1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. Follow me on Twitter 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: at Mark Madden X. The notion that the offense let 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: down the defense. That's what bad teams do. They figure 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: out a way to lose. If the offense had played great, 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: the defense would have failed. 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: That certainly happened this year. But the hamster will keep turning. 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: And you will jump right back on it after they 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: beat Cincinnati if they do, but I think they will. 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: But this is just a bad, repetitive and probably toxic 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: situation and has a low ceiling on top of that, 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: And when you hear Mike tom Win and Aaron Rodgers talk, 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: you can tell they know they know. So do you, 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: don't You guys see that every season is the same 14 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: peaks and valleys, the occasional big win, the occasional soul 15 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: crushing loss, and it all adds up to buckus. The 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: New England Patriots are back at the top of the AFC, 17 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: after Brady, after Belichick. They're back at the top because 18 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: they made meaningful change. India is legit because the Colts 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: made meaningful change. The Steelers wallow in the same mediocrity 20 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: year after year. It's honestly not a lot of fun 21 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: to talk about I look at the Penguins making changes 22 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: and what you can already tell, it's leading to. 23 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: The Steelers in their own way. 24 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: The Steelers are mismanaged as badly as the Pirates. 25 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: No, I take that back. 26 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: The Pirates realize their organizational goals, which is profit. 27 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: The Steelers do not recognize theirs. 28 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: But like I said, the Steelers will beat Cincinnati, and 29 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: you'll jump right back on the hamster wheel. Boy, was 30 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: last night terrible to watch. Rogers turned into dan Orlovsky 31 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: on that safety. The Steelers drop two picks. The Steelers 32 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: were two four to eleven on third done. That's zero 33 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: for their first nine, got a couple first downs in 34 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: a touchdown. At garbage time, Roderick Jones was whiffing on 35 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: blocks and the whole thing the Steelers, it just isn't 36 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: going anywhere. We try to invent turning points like beating Indy, 37 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: and yeah, I got sucked in a little bit with 38 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: that one. But beating New England and Indy meant nothing 39 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: because it wasn't build on and like I said earlier, 40 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: New England and Indy with all the turnovers, they lost 41 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: those games more than the Steelers won them, much more 42 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: than the Steelers won them, and only one team from 43 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: the AFC North figures to make the playoffs and Baltimore won. 44 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: So the Ravens are four and five. They've won three straights. 45 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: They're just one game behind the Steelers and December seven 46 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: is not far off. Steelers at Baltimore a day that 47 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: will live in infamy. What a crappy weekend. The Penguins 48 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: lost twice and we'll lose every shootout they are in 49 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: all season. 50 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: Talk about that. 51 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: Later Liverpool got drilled by Man City three nil. 52 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: Yikes. I am not a happy man, and as you know, I'm. 53 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: Far from a Steeler die hard, but this is so 54 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: repetitive and frustrating and never changes and goes nowhere. And 55 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: I may not love it, but I got to talk 56 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: about it, so I got to watch it, and it 57 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: is sucking the soul right out of me. 58 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: Wats the bum? Can we say that? 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Yet? 60 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: You won't? 61 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: I will watch the bum? Metcalf's a bum. A b 62 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: and Le'Veon Bell were the toxic twins. Watt and Metcalf 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: moving forward will always be referred to as the big 64 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: money bozos. 65 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: I'll have t shirts at. 66 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: Some point and next year, after all this goes to 67 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: the same place it always does, which is probably nine 68 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: and eight and not a playoff win. Next year, nothing 69 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: will change. Oh, they might go get different players like 70 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: they did this year. They might get whoever their quarterback 71 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: in the future is with the first pick, their first 72 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: round pick in the draft. Maybe they decide Will Howard's 73 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: that guy, and they draft on defense like the Steelers 74 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: are wont to do. But in terms of how the 75 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: season starts, plays out and finishes, nothing will change, just 76 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: like nothing's changing this year because the Steelers are content 77 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: with this. The Steelers don't know what they're doing, and 78 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: despite that, despite being morons, the Steelers think they know better. 79 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: All that is a deadly combination. And by deadly I 80 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: don't just mean deadly, I mean deadly m fing dull. 81 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: I can't stand to watch it, I can't stand. 82 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: To talk about it. I know where it's going, You 83 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: know where it's going. They know where it's going. 84 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: Like always, it's a one way ticket to Pellucaville and 85 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: that will not change until the coach is gone and 86 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: the GM is gone, and they won't be gone, so 87 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: it won't change one nine X. 88 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 2: Come on, those Steelers. 89 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: I was trying to come up with a metaphor for 90 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers safety, which was clumsy and embarrassing. And 91 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: what I came up with is he looked like a 92 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: boddler's stumbling around the wet bathtub. Uh and Rogers sucked, 93 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: but he couldn't catch a break either, And when they 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: have so little weaponry on offense, it's hard to blame 95 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: him period when he plays his first bad game of 96 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: the season. I think even had he played a decent game, 97 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: they still would have had trouble winning. And you know, again, 98 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: couldn't catch a break like Calvanas in the third tip 99 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: that interception should have been caught. La didn't blintz blitz once, 100 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: not once, didn't blitz for the entirety of the game. 101 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: And still three sacks and good pressure because that O 102 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: line took a big step backwards. 103 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: Rogers looked old and like he didn't want to get hits. 104 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: And maybe that's just a bad game, or maybe he's 105 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: hit a wall, or maybe he realizes the Steelers stink, 106 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: or maybe the last two things piled on top of 107 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: one another. Let's talk Steelers with Tommy Radio, Tom Baltimore. One, 108 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: are they going to catch Pittsburgh in the AFC North. 109 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: It almost feels inevitable, doesn't it. It absolutely does. My 110 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: question now is Mark, is that game in week eighteen, 111 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: the return trip to Pittsburgh between the Ravens and the Steelers, 112 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: is that it can even matter for Baltimore. Is themar 113 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: gonna be able to kick his feet up on the 114 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: sidelines during that game? It couldn't be one of those 115 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: not traditional games where Baltimore plays it Stabroni's because they 116 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: have whenever they can wrap up, wrapped up, and then 117 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: the Steelers win and the citizens can say, well, we always. 118 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 3: Flit with Baltimore, and that'll get you to nine and 119 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: eight too, right, like that'll get your coach. T's winning season, 120 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: never had a losing season. Myth will continue to live on. 121 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna talk about later at length 122 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: and in vomitous fashion. I didn't realize how close Toma 123 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: was to passing Chuck Knowle. He's only eleven wins away 124 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: from passing Chuck Nole for career victories as Steelers head coach. 125 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: And you know he knows that, right, you know that's 126 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: in the back of his head too, and he sees 127 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: that on the horizon as something that he could put 128 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: in a feather in his cap. 129 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Again, I know, I know it, and it makes me 130 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: want to cry. What went bad for Rogers? Was it 131 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: just a bad game? Because you know, if you look 132 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: at Aaron's numbers, he doesn't yet have a three hundred 133 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: yard game passing. I think he's been more opportunistic than brilliant. 134 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: Is that fair? 135 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 136 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: I think it is fair. And beyond just the eye test, 137 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: where you're right, he looked more skittish in the pocket, 138 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: didn't want to get hit in this game. The numbers 139 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: are starting to drop off too. His passer rating has 140 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 3: gone down in every game the past four weeks, and 141 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: it was very good against the Bengals four weeks ago. 142 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: It was like one hundred and three, but it's like 143 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: one hundred and one. Then it's in the eighties, and 144 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: it was fifty yesterday. He had a passer rating before 145 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: that garbage time drive of nineteen that was gonna be 146 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 3: the lowest of his career, and he was able to 147 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: get it to fifty because of the garbage time touchdown 148 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: to Roman Wilson. 149 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: Why has dk metcalf disappeared this season? And again last 150 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: night won half of the big money Bozos with TJ. 151 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 2: Watt. 152 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: Is he just not very good? 153 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: Did we? 154 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 3: Did we just overestimate him as a wide receiver? One was? 155 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: He just like a big body whose best years were 156 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: early in his career in Seattle, And now he's gonna 157 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: kind of fade a little bit. Don't forget in Seattle 158 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 3: he always had Tyler Lockett with him too, who was 159 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 3: a very good, kind of borderline number one receiver in 160 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: his own right. 161 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: Well, see, that's why I hate the excuse making for 162 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: the big money bozos like TJ. Watcketts chipped in double team. 163 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: Well that happens to every elite edge. Rosher and Garrett 164 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: and Parsons are overcoming it and adapting by lining up 165 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: in different places, which watch steadfastly refuses to do, which 166 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: makes him very easy to double team. You just stick 167 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: the tight end over there, have the running back lineup 168 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: over there, and DK metcalf. Yeah he's getting double covered. 169 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah they don't have a number two wide. I don't care. 170 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: He's getting quarterback money deliver. 171 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 172 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: And again I know other teams have better weapons next 173 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: to their number one receivers, but like you don't see 174 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: legitimate top tier like Jackson Smith and Jigba for example, 175 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 3: lighten it Up this year an Offensive Player of the 176 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: Year candidate. They just go out and they get in 177 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: Rashi Shi heat. So now he actually does have a 178 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: robin to go with. But all year before the trade deadline, 179 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: it was really just him out there. People weren't double 180 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 3: or triple teaming Jackson Smith and Jigba while he was 181 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: getting his of course they were, so I think it 182 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: might just be coming to the point where DK we 183 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 3: just overestimated. 184 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: What hey, that was pretty good. 185 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: They could win. 186 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: Donald's the real what a mistate Minnesota may But then again, 187 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: then again, I mean, I get it because he only 188 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: had the one good year, but he's clearly a late bloomer. 189 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: And I also don't think McCarthy's bad yet, you know 190 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, I think JJ McCarthy's shown a 191 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 3: little bit of juice these past week. 192 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: He will eventually be what they want him to. But 193 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: I also think some of their like justin Jefferson, my 194 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: age up. He's now by the time McCarthy peaks. 195 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, like sorry, Sam, Donald would have better served the 196 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 3: team currently, I think. But McCarthy's got a future. I think, 197 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: as I keep. 198 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: Saying, I would have franchised Donald, but nobody franchises Nobody 199 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: no more. 200 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: I don't get the offense, Tom. 201 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: I feel like the tight ends were supposed to be 202 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: big weapons and they're just average. They just I mean 203 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: not even average. I mean even Mount Washington only cut 204 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: the one past at LA. 205 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 3: They don't know what they're doing with the tight ends, 206 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: and I think it's such an. 207 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: I'll make that more concise. Oppenheimer just doesn't know what 208 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: he's doing. 209 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: Period. 210 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 3: It's a total indictment on him because that's what his 211 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: bread and butter is supposed to be. We went out 212 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: and got these tight ends because you're supposed to make 213 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: them all work together in the symphony. Have yet to 214 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: see it. I think against the Colts was their best, 215 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: you know game as a unit. They had ten catches 216 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: ninety five yards in a touchdown if you put all 217 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: three of those guys together. But it's just it's so 218 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: inconsistent week to week, and market looked like Darnell Washington 219 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: was the number one tight end. Then I see the 220 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: snap counts for this game. He was out snapped by 221 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: Johnny and Pat. He was playing the third most, so 222 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: you know, you know where that comes from. That's that's 223 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 3: Arthur Smith. If we do something different, they'll think I'm coaching. Absolutely, 224 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: and I hated the way they handled it. 225 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: I can't excuse the interruption. I can't say enough how 226 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: bad the coaching is. All of them, every single one 227 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: of them. And you know who was on camera too 228 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: much last night, the mass man, Danny Smith f. 229 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 3: Him and furthermore, kind of along those lines. I know 230 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: you're not a huge fan of the jumbo package, but 231 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: it does work for the Steelers. They did it eight 232 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: times against the Charge, and I know that because they 233 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: did that stupid swapping of the deck chairs whenever Andrew's 234 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: Pete would come in to play left guard so they 235 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 3: could bump Spencer Anderson out to his jumbo package tackle 236 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: eligible spot. Just throw Pete, throw Calvin Anderson out in 237 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 3: that jumbo package tackle spot. Have Spencer Anderson played guard? 238 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: Why have two guys in unaccustomed spots. 239 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: I know and should be the guard, Yeah right, but 240 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's played that jumbo package, but you're. 241 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 2: Still moving him offside. 242 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 3: Why displace him in the game, leave him. 243 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: Where he's playing every other snap. 244 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it made no sense to me. But anyway, Pete 245 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 3: only had eight snaps, which tells me they only did 246 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: the jumbo package eight times. Darnold Washington was out snapped 247 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 3: by Pat and John Why why why would you? And 248 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: I think it's what you said. Arthur Smith was doing 249 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: the old They know that I know that I love 250 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: the jumbo, so I'm gonna give him less jumbo and 251 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: they won't know what to do with it. And the 252 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Chargers were just like, Okay, you're just gonna be easier 253 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 3: to play against. 254 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: I will say this, when they got behind, the jumbo 255 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: package becomes less amenable to trying to catch up. 256 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: Did they ever get behind enough though, where it felt like, 257 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: well they're getting blown out, Chargers kind of slow bled them. 258 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. When it was like even twelve three, 259 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: I feel like it's over. I felt like they were 260 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: getting blown out, albeit by a by a nine point margin. 261 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: I knew they were not gonna win that game. They 262 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: were never in danger of winning that game. 263 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, twelve three is no 264 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: time to just abandon the running game. Well, they do 265 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: what every chance they get they do when they lead. 266 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 3: They were leading the Packers and they didn't run it 267 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: in the second half. 268 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: Well, in that Vein with the jumbo package talk, Tom 269 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: did the O line regress. I always say it's tough 270 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: to evaluate the offensive lineman from the network feed. 271 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: I feel very comfortable saying that Broderick Jones sucked. 272 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: Oh he was terrible. And I think that a lot 273 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: of that offensive line struggled against the Chargers, not just 274 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: Broderick Jones. I think there was not a coincidence why 275 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: we saw Rogers look as skittish as we ever have 276 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: in the pocket in that game on Sunday, because he 277 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 3: was under duress and like. 278 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: I said, without La blitzing even once, just three guys, 279 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: And like I said, Rogers had a terrible game, but 280 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: he looked disgusted not only by his own performance but 281 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: by what was going on around him, Like he just 282 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: slings the ball to the ground to get to play 283 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: over with. 284 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: That's when I'm like, Okay, somebody else screwed up. 285 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't want to, you know, Sugarcoat, how 286 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 3: bad he was, I'm not he was a terrible player 287 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: last night, and. 288 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: Enough people saying it might have been the worst game 289 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: of his career anywhere, I think that's a little. 290 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: Worse Ones. 291 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: But but but I get it because he was that bad. 292 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and recency biased. You know, it sticks in your head. 293 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: It was so awful. It reminded you of the other 294 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,479 Speaker 3: number eight that used to play here at quarterback, and 295 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 3: he was sailing a lot of pass No, not that bad. 296 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: I want to get I want to get a little 297 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: deeper with Rogers, and not just last night. But Tom 298 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: is impossible. I've overrated how he's playing up till now. 299 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: You know, like I said, more opportunistic than than brilliant, 300 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: and like I said, he did look frustrated last night, 301 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: more than we've seen him. And that could snowball because 302 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: it has in the past with Aaron Rodgers. 303 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: I guess you might have overestimated how he's played so far. 304 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: But he's still my favorite steal and he still is 305 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: the morning. He's still their MVP too, Like he's still 306 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: the main reason why they are five and four, still 307 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: have that very slim now one game lead in the division. 308 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: It was his really only truly awful game as a Steeler. 309 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: But you have to wonder if he's just going to 310 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: start fading down the stretch with the statistics starting to 311 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: drop and kind of the eye test showing that he's 312 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: going to injured air quotes gets hit more. Yeah, Oh, 313 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: he clearly didn't want to get hit. Oh you're talking 314 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: about like the dangerfield elbow injury. Like I'm just done 315 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: with this, I want out. 316 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: Oh good lord, what has this buffoon done? 317 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: Now? And weird stuff with Rogers, like the safety was bizarre. 318 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: He's in the end zone, he's out of the end zone. 319 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: It's like he was dancing in the hokey poked wedding. 320 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: And at one point this was uh, Rogers got buried 321 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: on Get Up this Morning on ESPN. Yes, and they 322 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: pointed out that he turned his back on the play once, 323 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: like Rex Ryan the foot fetish guy said, I've never 324 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: seen a quarterback turn his back onto play. 325 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was so uncharacteristic. I don't know why he 326 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: was so rattled last game in California. Maybe he's from California. 327 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: I don't know why that would rattle him though, But 328 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: it was just a shockingly uncharacteristic game from Rogers. Maybe 329 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: he didn't have enough smelling salts, maybe they didn't get 330 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: enough on the team playing. 331 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: It's the first time he looked like he shouldn't have 332 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: stuck around. 333 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: Yes, that said, it's one game, but like guy. 334 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: There were a bunch of sound bites where, you know, 335 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: people say he should hang it up there unless Sawan 336 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: McCoy say yeah, yeah, yeah, But I. 337 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: Think that's a little severe for one game. 338 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: Now, if you want to say he's forty one and 339 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: it won't get better, that I obviously agree with. 340 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: No, I don't think it will get better, and he 341 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: should really look long and hard about this potentially being 342 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: his last season. 343 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: Well, that's the whole thing about this team, Tom, bunch 344 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: of old guys. They're not going to get better. You 345 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: think they're going to rally and improve in the second 346 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: half of the season, They're just going to get older 347 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: and tired. 348 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: Nope, they're going to fade. And that's why I think 349 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: there is real worry that Rogers won't be awful like 350 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: he was on Sunday night moving forward every game, but 351 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: that he won't, you know, have as many moments of 352 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: brilliance that he has had in the games previous to 353 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: last night. 354 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: A little later on we'll talk some Penguins, but I 355 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: just want to throw out there. Sergei Morrishoff, the Russian kid, 356 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: made his debut and goal let In won soft goal 357 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: lost three to the Penguins played well over the weekend, 358 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: probably deserved better than the one point they got. But 359 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: to me, the big news from PPG paint Serenia yesterday 360 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: a second straight sellout crowd. I never saw that. I 361 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: thought it would be their lowest crowd of the year. 362 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: Being on an NFL Sunday two pm, the Steelers playing 363 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: later that night. You know what it tells me. The 364 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: Penguins are on the way back on the ice and 365 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: in your minds. 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You know what I was homeschool. 378 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: I'm not good at mouth. Listen all day for your 379 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 4: chance and some ex to a cash on one fine 380 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 4: the X. 381 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 5: What's that sound? That's the sound of downy unstoppable sind 382 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 5: Beads Going into Your Washington, Paul. 383 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: McCartney tomorrow at PPG. I'm going and I'm in the minority. 384 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: But I've always considered McCartney's work after the Beatles, with 385 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: Wings and his solo catalog, I consider that superior to 386 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: what he did with the Beatles Jet, which you just 387 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: heard a little bit of coming up Junior's Farm Live 388 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: and Let Die Rock Show. 389 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: Perfectly crafted pop songs. 390 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: Not many better songwriters and producers than Paul McCartney. He 391 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: just knows how to make a song max out and 392 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: be as good as it can be. Here's some news 393 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: that Steeler fans won't like on top of last night's debacle. 394 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, who was supposed to be out till December 395 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: with turf toe practice today. Now how soon he'll return, 396 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. But the Bengals are only three and six. Obviously, 397 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: Flacco's gonna start this coming Sunday when the Bengals visit Pittsburgh, 398 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: but he has a pretty good track record. 399 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 2: Against the hypocsycloid. 400 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 1: What if the Bengals beat the Steelers to sweep the 401 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: series and get that tiebreaker and suddenly they're four and 402 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: six and right behind the Steelers, and of course the 403 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: Ravens are figured in there. It's not out of the 404 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: realm of possibility. The Steelers go from having a stranglehold 405 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: or thought to be on the AFC Nord title and 406 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: finishing third in the division, and Cincinnati's not yet given 407 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: up hope because they still play the Ravens twice. 408 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 2: Uh. Follow me on Twitter at Mark Madden x Tom. 409 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: What did you make of the defensive performance? It said 410 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: they played great and that the offense let him down. 411 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'd go so far as as say 412 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: they played great, they dropped a couple interceptions they did 413 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: get How about this for a weird number. They got 414 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: five sacks, but for only twenty one yards, and lot 415 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: of course was invisible until garbage. 416 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: Time when he got his only sack. 417 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: There was just no splash from the Steelers defense. And 418 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: you'll push back if you're playing Devil's advocate and say, well, 419 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 3: they got five sacks splash. 420 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 2: Even the splash wasn't very wet. 421 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. 422 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: The five sacks only twenty one yards total losses, and 423 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: back's my theory that sacks except on third dot aren't 424 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: very meaningful. 425 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: No, they were pencil dives. We're talking burgundy cannonballs into 426 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: the pool. That's what you need. That's the kind of 427 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 3: splash that you want. And the sacks were just so unimpactful. 428 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 3: I actually think Herbert and Harbaugh probably sat back at 429 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 3: one point this week and Herbert was just like, dude, 430 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 3: I'll take five or six sacks. It's not a big deal. 431 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: I'm a tough guy. I'll stick it out. I know 432 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 3: the line's going to be having a problem. Let's not 433 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 3: have the worry of me getting hit five or six times, 434 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 3: you know, derail our entire game plan. Because they just 435 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 3: weren't worried about it. It didn't knock the Chargers off 436 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 3: their game one second. Every time Herbert got hit. Who 437 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 3: was good and bad on defense? 438 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: Heismith actually had another good game on top of being 439 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: AFC Defensive Player of the Week last week. 440 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 3: He had a couple more sacks. I'll tell you a 441 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: guy who was off the Raider that was pretty good 442 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: for me. It was James Pierre. I said the same 443 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: thing had to come in serve Eachles kind of flashback 444 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: into his pan. But Pierre was pretty good. How about 445 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: Eckles on the lad McConkey touchdown in the slot. I mean, 446 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 3: Eckles was supposed to be a slot guy. Oh my god, 447 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 3: he got cooked so badly on that play. 448 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: Well, we probably overestimated Eccles, you know, because he played 449 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: so good initially. But he is a backup and peripheral 450 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: in this league for a good reason. And like like 451 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: I just said about about you know, flashing back into 452 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: your pen, I think Eckles is doing that as well. 453 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: So James Pierre was pretty impressive, had a couple of 454 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 3: passes defense. 455 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the more he plays good, the closer he 456 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: is to play in bad as well, probably, but at 457 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: least this week. 458 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 3: Boy, that Bengals this week, What a terrible matchup for 459 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 3: the Steelers with those guys on the outside of those receivers. 460 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: And Joey Porter Junior is banged up now too, so 461 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 3: if he's hurt, they're gonna have to pull Ramsey from safety, 462 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: aren't they. They're gonna have to put Ramsey on Chase again. 463 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 3: They're gonna try to do that. 464 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: It'll be great. Is there a great team in the AFC? 465 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: There's some good ones, but not even that good. I mean, 466 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: Buffalo looked like crap. I mean like like like New 467 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: England and Indy look like the best teams, but I 468 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: have no faith in them to make a playoff run. 469 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure Steeler fans are taking solace in that thinking 470 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: the conference is wide open and it is just not 471 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: for them. 472 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 3: It's a pretty big statement for the Patriots to go 473 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: down to Tampa and get that win in a pretty 474 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: good fashion. Baker played well, too, RAI, that's great, believably good. 475 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: They called him on Get Up this Morning, a top 476 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: five quarterback in the league, and right this second, right 477 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: this second, in terms of the way this year quarterbacks 478 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: are performing, it's hard to argue. 479 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, And Baker played great two seventy three yards, three touchdowns, 480 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 3: like it was a worthy foe for the Patriots. It 481 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: was a tough game and they they handled them, So 482 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 3: that was a big statement. I don't believe in them 483 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 3: just yet. Is it weird to say that the Ravens 484 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: are kind of coming up on the outside, like I'm 485 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 3: kind of like, look out for them, not just in 486 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: the AFC North, but in the AFC overall. 487 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: Do you agree that only one team's going to make 488 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: the playoffs from the AFC North, just the division winner? 489 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Steelers losing to the Chargers went 490 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 3: a long way in that because if the Steelers were 491 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 3: able to knock the Chargers back a peg and kind 492 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 3: of get them right in the wrong direction, that would 493 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 3: help with the plan B and maybe securing a wild 494 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: card if the Ravens do catch it. 495 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: Buffalo's I don't want to say done, but maybe their 496 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: windows closed in terms of winning a Super Bowl. It 497 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: looked terrible, how miserable? Well, Josh Allen, I mean you can't. 498 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he's still and he didn't have a great game, 499 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: but it's the rest of their team and their defense. God, 500 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: it's it's just bad. They don't have any stars. 501 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: Josh Allen's it and James Cooks pretty good too, but 502 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: they don't have any star power on that team with Buffalo. 503 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 3: How maddening will it be for those fans, and they 504 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: are a haunted fan base to see this window come 505 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 3: and go, and then the Patriots window open up again 506 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: with their chance to win. When you didn't get anything out. 507 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: Of yours, f f the Bills fans, there's only two 508 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: good things about Buffalo be fun weck and a Duff's 509 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: wings and anchor bar wings. 510 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: But that just wings. Because they did invent him there. 511 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: I give credit and uh and Jilbert Perrot when he 512 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: played there from the Sabers. 513 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: All right, Wolf, of course, but Wolf left Buffalo disowned 514 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: Yeah he No, he didn't disown Buffalo. 515 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll put Wolf at the top of the list 516 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: because we love Wolf and certainly miss Wolf. Now, of 517 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: all the teams in the AFC playoff picture, which one 518 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: would you favor the Steelers to beat in the playoff game? 519 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 2: Any of them? 520 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: Jacksonville And I can say that as a technicality because 521 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: they're the seventh seed right now, but they're falling out fast. 522 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 3: But I put the Steelers ahead of jackson Could they 523 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 3: beat New England again? No, it was a little fluky 524 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: then beating New England the first time. 525 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: Could they beat Indy again? I don't think so. You 526 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: know what Indy like. 527 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: Even though they benefited from the six turnovers against Indy, 528 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: the Steelers played better in that game. The Steelers played 529 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: bad against thew England and England just gave the game away. 530 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: I mean, there's no way they'd be welcoming Indy again 531 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh. Could be this hypothetic would play out, They'd 532 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: go to Indy Jonathan Taylor ran for two hundred and 533 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 3: forty four yards yesterday. It was a kind of a 534 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 3: fluke what the Steelers were able to do to him. 535 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that the long what was an eighty seven yard touchdown? 536 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: He three touchdowns, Like he was pissed off because he 537 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 3: only had forty five yards the week prior. 538 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was galloping on that. 539 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: When he got the seam, you could see like five 540 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: or six yards into the run. 541 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: He was going all the way. 542 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: So I'd say no to them. You know, it was 543 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: a team that I would maybe think the Steelers could 544 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 3: have a chance against his Denver because that offense is 545 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: really bad too. 546 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: If the Steelers played Denver in a playoff game, it 547 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: would be a regrettable watch. It'd be just to be like, 548 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, ten to seven at the end of three quarters, yes, 549 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: maybe ten seven, yeah, ten seven period. You know, this 550 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: is a cliched Hackney debate. Taylor should be MVP. He's 551 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: just not going to get it because he's a running back. 552 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: It's become a quarterback award. Taylor is the most Valuable Player. 553 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: Not for Taylor. 554 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: Yesterday. 555 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: They don't only lose in Berlin to the Falcons Falcus, 556 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: they would have lost handily. Yeah, they wouldn't be eight 557 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: and two without him. He's the main reason why Daniel 558 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: Jones is as good as he is, because look, Taylor 559 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: played well and Daniel Jones all of a sudden looked 560 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: good again. 561 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 3: It's a great year to do it too, right, because 562 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: there's been good quarterbacks Drake may Sam, Darnold Baker. Mayfield's 563 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: had a case Patrick Mahomes, but like no quarterbacks running 564 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: away with an MVP race right now, I would do it. 565 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: I would give it to Taylor. How about the German 566 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: fans were singing country roads? 567 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: Did you see that? 568 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 5: Now? 569 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: I miss that? 570 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a soccer thing. 571 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: I think either either either either Bayern Munich or Bayer Leverkusen, 572 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: you know, the two of the big teams, or maybe Dortmund. 573 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: I forget, maybe all of them. 574 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: I know that's a very popular thing to sing at 575 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: the football matches, their country roads. 576 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: I do not know why Big John Denver fans, Big 577 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: West Virginia fans. 578 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: I think they just sing it one oh five nine 579 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: y X. 580 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 4: It's the Woody Show tomorrow morning from six till ten. 581 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: Whoa you got on day Wednesday? 582 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 4: Maybe on? 583 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 3: This report is sponsored by McVeigh plumbing, heating and cooling. 584 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: Don't overpay. 585 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 5: Call McVeigh Claudie with a few scattered snowshowers today High 586 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 5: End thirty seven, partly to. 587 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 4: Most Verman on one oh five nine The X. 588 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: This segment brought to us by our good friends at Shandorovi, 589 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: Shandorovitch and Fisherman, the personal injury experts. They got your back, 590 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: not your wallet. You know, when Tomlin does interviews after 591 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: the Steelers lose, especially when they lose in embarrassing fashion 592 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: like last night, he really does turn into Black Trump. 593 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: Here's Tomlin taking a query about how Rogers. 594 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 2: Played last night. How would you okay? 595 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: If I'm the guy he fires that back at, I 596 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: would say I thought he sucked. Reminds me of stripes. 597 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: What do you think of that winger? I think it sucks. 598 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 2: Winger. Perhaps this time you and me had a chat. 599 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 2: Step into my office. 600 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: Uh, Tomin is supposed to be this great motivator, but 601 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: last night the Steelers came out flatter than to play 602 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: to piss. 603 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: And that happens a lot. 604 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: It comes back to nobody being able to define what 605 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: supposedly makes Tomlin a good coach. 606 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: What's supposed to be. His big strength is motivation. 607 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: And it so often fails him. Tom, what have we 608 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: got for today's trifectum? 609 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: For that triffecta today? Mark, there are a lot of 610 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: people that are saying the offense let the Steelers defense 611 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: down yesterday. So here's three ways the Steelers defense let 612 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: the team down yesterday. Number three, their stars were invisible, 613 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: Cam Hayward, Jalen Ramsey, TJ. Watt might as well have 614 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 3: taken the night off. They were invisible. 615 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: Ramsey was bad and safety. 616 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: It kind of calmed me down at the Rod Woodson, 617 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, switching positions talk. 618 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: Cam Bat had down a couple of balls, So did it? Yeah? 619 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: But I mean I knew a little bit more from Cam. Right, 620 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: he's never going to get those incentives that he has 621 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 3: if he's not going to start getting sacks, Mark. 622 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: He's just not going to get those okie dope incentives. 623 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: Number Two, they couldn't get off the damn field and 624 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: this is just such a problem for them. They got 625 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: dominated in time of possession. Now the offense has a 626 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: lot to do with that too. They keep going three 627 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: and out, but the defense doesn't force enough three and outs, 628 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: and we talked about when the sacks, like they get 629 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: a sack on second down, it's third and fifteen. Herbert 630 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 3: doesn't even bat an eye at that. 631 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: Well, the Steelers ranked number one in three and outs 632 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: among NFL teams, and I think it was forty three 633 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: point eight percent. Oh and I don't think that percentage. 634 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: Put it this way. I think there's still a top 635 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: heap or at the bottom of the dung pile, depending 636 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: on how you want to phrase it. But yeah, it 637 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: They came out and went three and out in their 638 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: first possession and it kind of set the oh here 639 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: we go again vibe. 640 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: Going yes now. The number one way the Steelers defense 641 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 3: let down the team, though, was the takeaway department, not 642 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: getting a single takeaway justin Herbert had thrown eight interceptions 643 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 3: heading into the game. The Chargers have given it away 644 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: twelve times and you couldn't come up with one. And 645 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: you just don't win if you don't do that. 646 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: What after the game was talking about how we can't 647 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: rely on takeaways, were just going to play better, to 648 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: which the follow up there would have been as long 649 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: as we're doing follow ups like the Tom wil think, okay, well, 650 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: you were invisible. What happened there because takeaway sacks. I mean, 651 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: you got the garbage timeline, but you really didn't do 652 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: nothing to boy. I hate saying this again and again. 653 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: Actually I kind of like to, but that contact extension 654 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: to him is a big mistake. They should have made 655 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: him play out the last year then franchised them. And 656 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: I bet if they had done that, they wouldn't even 657 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: want to franchise him next year and would have given 658 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: him a take it or leave it offer. 659 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: But then he would have laughed. 660 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 1: All the Steeler fans out there with number ninety jerseys 661 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: would have cried. 662 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 3: What he said in theory is correct. You can't live 663 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 3: and die based on the takeaway. Except this is exactly 664 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: how the Steelers defense has lived and died over the 665 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: past few years. Is if they don't get takeaways, it 666 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: looks real bad. This isn't a new thing where opposing 667 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: quarterbacks can throw on the Steelers defense, or the Steelers 668 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 3: defense gives up a lot of yardage. They've always done that. 669 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: They've just gotten the clutch sack out of field goal 670 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 3: range on third down, They've gotten the clutch interception in 671 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: the red zone. And when they don't, it looks really ugly, 672 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 3: So I get what he's saying, like you gotta be 673 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 3: you know, more traditional and like getting three and outs 674 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: and forcing the punt. But that's just not your mo 675 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 3: and hasn't been for years. You know, you accidentally invoked 676 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: the McCartney song. I did it completely on accident. 677 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: Die in this ever changing world in which you're living 678 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: makes you give in and cry, which I just about 679 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: was at the end of the first quarter last night. 680 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: Up you heard what I said to open the segment. 681 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: Isn't it incredible when this guy's supposed to be a motivator, 682 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: Tom Win, that they come out so flat so often 683 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: and not least being zero to three on primetime TV 684 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: games this year. 685 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's always been the problem when it comes 686 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 3: to their playoff games recently, right, is they just come 687 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: out and get their doors blown off like they weren't ready, 688 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 3: And you question how a team couldn't be motivated properly 689 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: to play in a playoff game, But it just keeps 690 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 3: happening over and over again. And now you have these 691 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 3: kind of examples of primetime games where they're just they 692 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 3: come out so flat, they have no fight, and don't 693 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 3: they seem like they're quitting a lot easier this year 694 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: than in year's pass Like once that snowball really starts 695 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 3: to roll downhill, Like after the Kashawn Williams muff punt, 696 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 3: I feel like they were who cares pack it up. 697 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 3: We're going home. 698 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: When Tom win wraps up his career whenever that is. 699 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: And I'm on record as saying and I read it 700 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: right now, he will never win another playoff game. 701 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: TJ. Watt will ever win a playoff game, period. But TJ. Watt, 702 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the numbers are overwhelming. 703 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: You look at his career and he's a Hall of Fame, 704 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: albeit he'll be, as I've discussed, a very odd Hall 705 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: of Famer one without a playoff win. But Tomlin, if 706 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: you look at what his career will wind up as 707 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: in a vacuum, people should wonder what all the fuss 708 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: was about. He shouldn't get in the Hall of Fame. 709 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: But again, and this is a dicey thing to say, 710 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: so I'm tiptoeing. His status is the NFL's pre eminent 711 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: black coach keeps him from being criticized, and he will 712 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: absolutely get in the Hall of Fame. 713 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: And again to reiterate as. 714 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: Well, that's not why the Steelers never fire and they 715 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: just don't fire the coach. But again, and I'm repeating 716 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: myself a lot about Tomlin, that's because they won't fire 717 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: him in the same flaws keep being exposed. Everybody says 718 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: he's a good coach, Nobody can tell me why. And 719 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: the motivator thing, the fact that he just obviously isn't 720 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: the consistency of how flat they come out. I'm not consistently, 721 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, more often than they should 722 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: for a master motivator. 723 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 2: It all drives me nuts time. 724 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 3: Well, that I think was the reason that people could 725 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: give in years past was the motivation thing, and I 726 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 3: think it did have his legs at some point, but 727 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 3: it just has gone so far away from being a 728 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 3: strength of his it's a weakness now. I just don't 729 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: think guys respond even though that I think. 730 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: I think he's been there so long and even the 731 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: guys who you know, haven't been with him for that 732 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: time because you know, there's always a big roster turnover. 733 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: But I think even havn't seen him on TV. They've 734 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: just turn it all. But yeah, it like he never 735 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: changes his routine. Well, put it this way, he doesn't 736 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: in public. I dot very much that he does in private, 737 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: because a lot of why he's as respected as he 738 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: is is the performance art of his talking. 739 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 3: And I think the guys that have been there for 740 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: a while, the Watts and the Haywards, you know, I 741 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 3: wonder if they kind of get this sense of it 742 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 3: getting old, almost subconsciously, like they think out loud, like 743 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: I love coach t He's a great motivator, but it 744 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 3: just isn't resonating with them like it used to. 745 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: I think kJ Watch has said a standard for himself. 746 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: I think he should only talk to the media after 747 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: he gets three sacks in the game, which means we 748 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: would never hear from him again. 749 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: One O five Now it's. 750 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 3: Your chance to win. 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