1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Senator, Good morning, hope you're well today. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Good morning. Thanks for having me. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely always like having you here. Hey. 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 3: First of all, look, I don't want to get into 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 3: you know, are your feelings hurt, whatever the case might be, 6 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 3: but I do want to ask you about not being 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 3: invited to the lunch yesterday with other senators at the 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: White House with President Trump. I mean, it seems to 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: me that you can have disagreements inside of a party. 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: It's one thing to disagree with the other party, but 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 3: you can have disagreements inside your own party yet still 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: let all the voices be heard. I thought that was 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 3: a mistake on his part. I assume maybe you feel 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: the same way or no. 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: Well, I try not to take it too seriously there. 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: You know, people can be petty here and there, and 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: you know, I could care less whether I'm invited in 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: the lunch or not. But what I do think is 19 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: that I'm on their mind, and that's a good thing 20 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: because the things that I represent are basically balancing the budget, 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: reduce spending, making government small and constitutional, and I stick 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 2: to my guns on that. So when Republicans propose a 23 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 2: spending bill, it will be two trillion in debt, which 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: is going on right now. I oppose it. Democrats have 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: proposed a spending bill it would be three trillion in debt. 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: I pose that also. But there needs to be some 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: part of the Republican Party that is still fiscally conservative, 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 2: consistent and sticks to its principles. And so the thing 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: is is I am on their mind. And the President, 30 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: you know, may have thought it was kind of funny 31 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: that I wasn't invited. But the other thing is is 32 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: he's having to think about me. And when we posted 33 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: that Thomas Massey and I were having lunch instead, we 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: had two million people view that posting. So there is 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: a constituency still out there for fiscal conservatism and I'm 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: going to continue to try to represent that. 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: Okay, But I got to ask you, knowing what you 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: just said that the Democrats spending would be three million. 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: The Republicans, I think you said two million, Why did 40 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: you vote again, I'm sorry, why did you vote against 41 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: just a clean CR on this deal? 42 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: The clean CR are the Biden spending levels basically, so 43 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: last December, the CR levels continuing resolution spending levels were 44 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 2: set and these were the Biden levels, and you remember 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: Republicans complaining I Evan in the election about biden Omics, 46 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: Biden inflation, Biden spending. Most Conservatives voted against these spending 47 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: levels last December. Come March, Republicans were in charge, Trump 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: was in the White House. Then the Republicans, most of 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: them other than me, flipped and voted for it. The 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: interesting thing now is the Biden spending levels are now 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: the Republican CR. All the Democrats voted for this in 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: December of twenty four also, but now they've flipped. So 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: it's kind of only in Washington. Can you imagine that 54 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 2: all the Republicans now support other than me, support the 55 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: Biden spending levels, and all the Democrats are opposed to 56 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: the Biden spending levels. So it's a crazy topsy turvy world. 57 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: But there has to be someone who's consistent in all 58 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: this mess. So I voted against the Republican plan because 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: they're at the Biden spending levels and it will lead 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: to a two trillion dollars deficit this year and that's 61 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: just untenable. 62 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: Well, with that in mind, though, with the CR and look, 63 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: you've forgotten more of this stuff than I'll ever know. 64 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: But wouldn't a CR though. Senator rand Paul wouldn't at 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: least give you the chance to negotiate through some of 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: this stuff. 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: Well, now is the time to negotiate. And the thing 68 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 2: is is I put forward a proposal. They voted on 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: my proposal two weeks ago, not because they wanted to, 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: but because I forced them to, because it's a privileged 71 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: vot vehicle, because neither party put forward a budget. So 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: I put forward mind the Penny Plan about two weeks ago, 73 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: and we did get a vote, and we got about 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: thirty six Republicans, So that's not bad. We've got no Democrats, 75 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: but it illustrates that there is a solution. My Penny 76 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: Plan would balance the budget over about a five year period. 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: That's what we need to be doing, and that's what 78 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to continue to be. And I just don't 79 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: feel like, you know, taking a backstop of two trillion 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: dollars in new debt next year. I mean, the interest 81 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: payment now alone is a trillion dollars, and I think 82 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: it's untenable and I think our country is at risk 83 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: because of this. So I don't treat this lightly. I 84 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 2: don't treat this as, oh, you know, I'm going to 85 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 2: be petulant and vote against both I treat this as 86 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: sort of life and death with the nation that we 87 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: just cannot keep adding two trillion dollars every year in debt. 88 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: Is there any resolution in sight for this government shut down? 89 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: I think it's going to eventually, and either this week 90 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: or next. And here's the reasoning the Democrats. These are 91 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: Democrats spending levels. These are the Biden spending levels, now 92 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: called the Republicans z R. They all voted for it 93 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: last year in December. They're eventually all going to vote 94 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: for it this time. What happened is their base, their 95 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: left wing base, the socialist base of the Democrat Party, 96 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: decided they wanted more. They didn't want just the Biden 97 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: spending levels. They a to one of these add on 98 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: Obamacare subsidies. It's important that your listeners know what the 99 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: Democrats are asking for. The add on Obamacare subsidies give 100 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: one thousand dollars to somebody who makes two hundred and 101 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars. So if you make two hundred 102 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: and twenty five thousand dollars a year, the Obamacare subsidise, 103 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: the add on subsease give you one thousand dollars a 104 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: year if you make one hundred and seventy thousand dollars 105 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: a year. The Obamacare add on gives you thirty six 106 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: hundred dollars a year. So this is insane. We're two 107 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: trillion dollars short, and I think you're pretty well off 108 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: if you make one hundred and seventy thousand, if you 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: make two hundred twenty five thousand dollars, and you shouldn't 110 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: get any government money. So I really think we're gonna 111 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: end up winning this argument because giving rich people money 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: for health insurance that passes on to billion dollar you know, 113 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 2: multi billion dollar insurance companies. The only people that have 114 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: gotten rich off. You know, the rich get richer and 115 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: the insurance companies get rich. Yell. So it's a terrible situation. 116 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: I think the Democrats will eventually fold. 117 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: On this another topic, I'm kind of curious. Bear with 118 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: me for a second, why I try at least to 119 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 3: draw this sort of comparison. You have come out, you 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: have come out sternly against some of these bombings, for 121 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: lack of a better term, of some of these boats 122 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: that are blowing getting blown up by our military that 123 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: are trying to bring drugs into the country. You know, 124 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: I was singing about this last night, tell me if 125 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: I'm just completely mad about this, right, I look at 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 3: this kind of like, Okay, what if somebody is trying 127 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: to bring something deadly into my house and to hurt 128 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 3: my family. I don't care what their rights are if 129 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: they come in to try to bring something that would 130 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 3: be deadly to my family, I'm going to do everything 131 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: I can to protect my family from being hurt by 132 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: whatever it is they're bringing in. What is the difference 133 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: between that and again, if you tell me I'm crazy, 134 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: I get it. What's the difference between that and these 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: boats bringing drugs into our country that we know are 136 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: going to kill people in this country? 137 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: Why are we worried about their rights? 138 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: The main difference is this, When someone comes into your 139 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: house or tries to break into your house, they're not 140 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: alleged to be doing it. You actually see them when 141 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: you shoot them. They come in the door trying to 142 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: kill you. So the difference is that these boats is 143 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: there's a word called alleged. You don't know who these 144 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: people are. We don't know their name, we don't have 145 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: any evidence they're presenting, no evidence even have drugs. They're 146 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: not all Venezuela, and some of them are Colombian, some 147 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: are Equadorian. Think about this. We bombed a boat the 148 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 2: other day, killed a bunch of them, found two of 149 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: them swinging in the water. Did we pick up the 150 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: debris and put it into a court case against SIMP 151 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: drugs now that we found them floating in the water. Nope, 152 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: we just send them back to Colombia Ecuador. Doesn't it 153 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: seem bizarre if they really are in the drug trade 154 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: that we wouldn't prosecute the very people that we blow 155 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: up with these missiles. So the thing is there is 156 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: a difference in our country. So if someone breaks into 157 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 2: your house, you have the right to shoot them. But 158 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: if someone you know committed an assault and you think 159 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: that they live across you know, three streets over, you 160 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: can't go over there and just shoot them or blow 161 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: their house up. That's the difference. I mean. So if 162 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: you're at sea, if the coastguard is at sea and 163 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: they say to a boat, halt stop, we're going to 164 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: search you for contraband or for drugs. If they don't 165 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: they run away, the coastguard has the right to pursue them, 166 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: has the right to shoot at them to disable them, 167 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: and if they fire deadly shots of the Coastguard. The 168 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: coastguard can sink them. This has been the rules of 169 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: engagement for probably a couple of hundred years. The Coastguard 170 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: can use deadly forced but there's an escalation of the 171 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: rules on this. The reasoning is this, when the coast 172 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: Guard finally boards the ships off of Miami, twenty five 173 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: percent of those suspective of having drugs have no drugs 174 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: on board. So if we're wrong twenty five percent of 175 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: the time, would it be okay to blow people up? 176 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: These are human beings for goodness egs. I mean, if 177 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: it's you know, an eighteen year old fisherman who they've 178 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 2: kidnapped his sister and that he's being made to do 179 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: this or his sister's going to be raped or killed. 180 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of if sam's or butts about 181 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: this that should be explored. And none of these drugs 182 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: are at all likelihood even coming to America. This is 183 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: an outboard boat two thousand miles away. These drugs, if 184 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: there are drugs, because it's still alleged, are going to 185 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: Trinidad and Tobago. This is a drug trade to the 186 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: Lower Antilles, the Lesser Antilles. These boats have no means. 187 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: It would take twenty tanks of gas. You'd have to 188 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: stop and fill up twenty times on an outboard motor 189 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: to get all the way United States from there. So 190 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: they're not even presenting evidence of who the people are, 191 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 2: whether they have drugs. But they're also not presenting evidence 192 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: of these boats two thousand miles away have any intention 193 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: of coming to America. 194 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 3: Hey, last thing I want to ask you about, and 195 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: this is way off topic here, but you know, depending 196 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: on what happens here in the next couple of weeks, 197 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 3: there is chance that the largest city in America is 198 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: going to basically vote in certainly a socialist, if not 199 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: an outright communist, to be the mayor of New York City. 200 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: In your wildest dreams, could you have ever imagined that 201 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: might happen in this country. 202 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: No, and it's hard to believe it is, and it 203 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: does happen. There's been a huge exodus from New York 204 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: and particularly New York City. A lot of the means 205 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: in capital, you know, it was the greatest financial city 206 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: in the world, have been leaving for years. But I 207 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 2: think there'll be a mass exodus and what you'll be 208 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: left with is no financial engine and just a poverty 209 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: and what comes from socialism. So no, it's a disaster 210 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: that's unfolding in slow motion hopefully that people will see. 211 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: But you know, there's not a whole lot of choices. 212 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you can vote for the corrupt Cuomo or 213 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: mom Domi, but there also is another choice. I'd vote 214 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: frankly for the Republican. I think Curtis Lee what would 215 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: bring law in order to the place and would be great. 216 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: He's just not polling high enough because there's not enough 217 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 2: Republicans right now, but he's the best choice, all right. 218 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: Senator Ran Paul. 219 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: Can't thank you enough for your time as always, and 220 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: we'll look forward to catching up with you again sometime soon. 221 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, Senator Ran Paul from the Commonwealth 222 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: of Kentucky.