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Speaker 2: I'd like that, and in fact, the opportunity is right

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Speaker 2: in front of us. On a Thursday, excellent excellent montage

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Speaker 2: choice by Mad Producer, the master mixer of the Monday Montage.

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Speaker 2: And here's how the montage meal was prepared. I schemed

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Speaker 2: r EM's Everybody Hurts. Nordos suggested the Larry Graham funk

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Speaker 2: appeal of ain't no fun to me and that's all.

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Speaker 2: Off a third Minnesota Vikings loss, this time to the

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Speaker 2: world champion Eagles, it quickly hit me. The RM piece

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Speaker 2: Everybody Hurts may be a little overly dramatic, but hurt

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Speaker 2: is subjective, and football feelings definitely were hurt for some

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Speaker 2: Vikings fans the way the champs left us Bank Stadium

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Speaker 1: That for sure ain't no fun to me.

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Speaker 2: That for sure ain't no fun to us, you or

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Speaker 2: anybody other than those cheering for our demise, those who

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Speaker 2: thrive when we hurt, those who hear the happiness at

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Speaker 2: our Friday football feast. Covenants and hope everybody's football feelings

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Speaker 2: are hurt, and that we suffer the slings and arrows

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Speaker 2: of outrageous mishaps. Yes, everybody hurts, but we get it.

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Speaker 2: You know that song lyrics like when your day is

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Speaker 2: long and the night the night is yours alone, when

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Speaker 2: you're sure you've had enough of this life, well hang on.

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Speaker 1: Probably in fact, definitely a little.

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Speaker 2: Over the top with those lyrics tying to a football game.

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Speaker 2: But as football feelings go, are the Minnesota Vikings holding

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Speaker 2: on for dear life this twenty twenty five season from

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Speaker 2: three to three and win loss win loss, win loss,

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Speaker 2: which means, just think of it this way.

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Speaker 1: Wentz nine for nine at.

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Speaker 2: Tottenham Hotspur to win it? Roses fourth pick six yesterday

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Speaker 2: to something called Jay Alex Hunt or j von Hargrave

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Speaker 2: all by himself. Then camp Muster a touchdown for the

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Speaker 2: home opener against Atlanta. We haven't seen him since. In out,

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Speaker 2: in out, good bad, good bad, happy feelings, then down

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Speaker 2: trodden hearts. That's what middling teams do, and facts are

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Speaker 2: the Minnesota Vikings are a middling team yet to find

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Speaker 2: offensive consistency and defensively, just when they fix some run

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Speaker 2: defense problems, old Jalen Hurts cuts loose with a perfect

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Speaker 2: passer rating. You think he didn't. Only other guy to

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Speaker 2: do that against the Minnesota Vikings was was Jared Goff

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Speaker 2: when he played for the La Rams, you know during

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Speaker 2: that season which started by thinking, you know, it was

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Speaker 2: cool to have linebackers run with a young spry Cooper

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Speaker 1: I always love that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a perfect passer rating that night for

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Speaker 2: old Jay Goff and his five touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Nordo made a really good point on fan Line yesterday.

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Speaker 2: If the pass is on target to TJ Hawkinson, it's

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Speaker 2: a touchdown, Yeah, and no need for a superman leap

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Speaker 2: and or reversal. The point was Wentz's accuracy with respect

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Speaker 2: was the worst it has been since donning the colors

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Speaker 1: Good Morning Mad producer, Good Morning Carson.

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Speaker 3: Wentz was as inaccurate as I have seen him, and

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Speaker 3: that tells a lot of the story of what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 3: We can dig into the frame by frame replay of

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Speaker 3: that catch. I think the ball did hit the ground

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Speaker 3: So initially everyone's thinking TJ. Hawkinson can't make the big catch.

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Speaker 3: I need my QB to hit his receivers from an

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Speaker 3: inaccuracy standpoint, from a decision making standpoint. At times yesterday

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Speaker 3: he thought he could get out of that. Too much

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Speaker 3: Certainly that happens in every single game. The options were

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Speaker 3: snapping it over people's heads. Questionable holding call as it was.

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Speaker 3: All applicable on a Monday morning after that game yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Fairly laid out.

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Speaker 2: Tough for me to leave this conversation not thinking permitting

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Speaker 2: somebody a perfect passer rating and three touchdowns. Yeah on

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Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty six passing yards is not the

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Speaker 2: a topic from the game.

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Speaker 1: It's part of it. It's one of men. Cow wow, wow,

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Speaker 1: Two point carry. We are wiping you off the board.

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Speaker 3: It was a conversation at the feast in the rowdy Monticello,

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Speaker 3: Had, it felt like in at least a couple occasions,

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Speaker 3: they went at their former teammate, They went at the

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Speaker 3: And and I mean DeVante Smith every single time he

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Speaker 3: personal career milestone. Yesterday being as good as it's ever been,

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Speaker 1: The quicksand was pulling us in man, And you're right,

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Speaker 3: One of the many a topics I think in this

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Speaker 1: See everybody Hurts?

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Speaker 2: How that we do sometimes that that was an incomplete

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Speaker 2: after Bill Vinovich's crew. I happen to think he is

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Speaker 2: the most consistent in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: You see, even.

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Speaker 2: In a single game, the tumultuous nature of this middling team.

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Speaker 2: Lose, it's it's yes, touchdown TJ or Naylor two No

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Speaker 1: I always love that one.

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Speaker 2: The middling aspect of the whole presentation right now even

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Speaker 2: Packers won, and the Lions play tonight, l and copyright

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Speaker 2: the common man. If the NFC North is the best

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Speaker 2: division in football, we indeed are the lousiest of the best,

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Speaker 2: because the Minnesota Vikings are a last place Operation Elle

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Speaker 2: heading into the seventh game of the season, that's Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: It's so far and against the Chargers, who must hear

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Speaker 2: coach Jim Harbaugh in the locker room after yesterday's game

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Speaker 2: yelling who has it better than us?

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Speaker 1: Everyboddy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Chargers have lost three of their last four.

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts Thursday seven. The dan isn't a football game.

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Speaker 2: It's a war of attrition. As Nordos said earlier, talkbacks,

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Speaker 2: Denver radio montages may include the lyrics don't call it

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Speaker 2: a comeback, I've been here for years.

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Speaker 2: Did Jackson dart for the New York Giants muster five

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Speaker 1: I know he threw for four.

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Speaker 3: He threw for three, he did run, he ran for one,

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Speaker 3: so a total of four. Sorry, he was three and one.

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Speaker 2: Holy cow, your Bronx thirty three fourth quarter points. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if only for a game, if only for a comeback,

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Speaker 2: it a comeback and the Anti Vike Sean Payton called

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Speaker 2: some of the coolest, meanest plays I can recall.

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Speaker 1: During said don't call it a comeback.

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Speaker 2: Well done Denver Broncos and well done Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 2: He trots out the field goal unit to tie the game,

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Speaker 2: They took down Jacoby Brissett six times, and the Micah

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Speaker 2: Parsons Project copyright Wayne Laravie was making hit after hit

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Speaker 1: That's a good win for Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: K nine guy Keishawn Nixon and Nate Hobbs. Hat Knobbs,

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Speaker 4: First down and goal from the three, Young under center,

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Speaker 4: Father, Why?

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Speaker 2: And Saturday, another Philadelphia squad foiled one of our professional teams.

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Speaker 2: It's Seattle and George Kirby at Toronto and Shane Bieber.

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Speaker 2: I guess, and just quickly close circuit of the talkbackers

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Speaker 3: So so keep the talkbacks coming. We're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: Back I was watching the Vikings pass defense.

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Speaker 2: Where if I were to offer up some Nordo numbers,

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, one number would be zero, and that

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Speaker 2: What's really frustrating with that play is just think like

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, very good point.

441
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Speaker 2: Then I started thinking about some other shots, some throws

442
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: that were down by the goal line or in the

443
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: end zone, and and like there was one fifteen feet

444
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: over Nailor's head to the east side of US Bank Stadium.

445
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: Then down by the two front right of the end

446
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: zone west side of the US Bank Stadium, there was

447
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: one to Jefferson where he broke open and there was

448
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: a misfire. So that that completely played into that accuracy

449
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: bit you talked about in the open and yesterday are

450
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: adroitly on a Vikings fan line.

451
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: But the number eighteen involves this.

452
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: It's the number of snaps Javon Hargrave played yesterday. A

453
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: big people get tired. We understand that. We understand that

454
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: old people get tired. I can understand that because I'm

455
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: old people, Javon a and old people. Eighteen snaps, Wow,

456
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: eighteen snaps fewer. Now Jalen Redmond is out playing everybody

457
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: on the Minnesota Vikings defensive line. Levi Drake Rodriguez played

458
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: more snaps yesterday than Javon Hargrave. I mean, I don't

459
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: know what's going on with that I mean, win, lose, win, lose, win, lose.

460
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: All we do is win, lose, win, lose, win, lose,

461
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: matter what, no, matter what I mean. It played into

462
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Speaker 2: the yes two sacks on opening night, and then after that.

463
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Speaker 1: Eighteen snaps. That's crazy.

464
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Speaker 2: So zero one, fifty eight point three and eighteen I

465
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Speaker 2: got some order number. I got another one for you,

466
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Speaker 2: fifty five zero. Are you using fifty?

467
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Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't. I don't have to use fifty.

468
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Speaker 2: Now that's the that's the amount of snaps played yesterday

469
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: by Harry the hit Man.

470
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: Like that.

471
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: You played the whole game, played the entire game, made

472
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: some nice open field tackles too.

473
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: Harry the hit Man go crazy.

474
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Speaker 2: He played all fifty snaps in the l to the

475
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagle.

476
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: You sparked a bunch of a bunch of my talkers

477
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: through that with your numbers, and I do want to

478
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: go back to one of them.

479
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: What about the talkbacks? The talkbacks? I'm just teasing still

480
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: in flux.

481
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: Because I can see your face or is it audio?

482
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: But I think it's radio that provides audio, and I

483
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: see your countenance, which becomes that of confusion and and

484
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: or consternation.

485
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: Do you ever just want things to work.

486
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 3: Do you ever just want like you know, we look

487
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: at in the context of football early on before the

488
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: snap over the head.

489
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Speaker 1: First of all, I just need the snap to work.

490
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Speaker 1: Snap over the head, though.

491
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Speaker 3: Can I have Can I just count on the snap

492
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Speaker 3: in the red zone, like when I say, hey, use

493
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: talkbacks please, it's awesome.

494
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app. I just want the page to load.

495
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: Similarly, I see Addison wreaking pre snap wide open. He's

496
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: gonna move the chains if not get into the end zone,

497
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: and Carson just throws it right into the dirt four

498
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: yards away from him. I just need to count on

499
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: that pass being an option and being hit with number

500
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Speaker 3: zero with Ivan Pace.

501
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: We had mentioned this in throughout.

502
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Speaker 3: The week, PA that Okay, so Cashman's gonna come back,

503
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: but I think Eric Wilson provided some stability in the

504
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: middle and Ivan Pace maybe some mistackles.

505
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: Wesson was their leading tackler into yesterday's game.

506
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: And and he is sacked yesterday, so he was, once again,

507
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: for the most part, very productive.

508
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: Now, he did also have.

509
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: A moment where in zone he kind of took the

510
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: cheese on Goddar in front of him, and then DeVante

511
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: Smith's good for twenty right over the top of his head.

512
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: Felt like Davante was just eating up that zone. But

513
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: number zero in particular, to go from playing every snap

514
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: to playing zero snaps. Did you see that coming or

515
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: maybe were we leaning to it mentally the right there

516
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: throughout the week where this tandem of Eric Wilson and

517
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: Blake Cashman, now that he's healthy, Wilson kind of played

518
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: himself into that spot and now Ivan is probably going

519
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: to have to do a lot of catch up to

520
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: find himself back on the field and defensive situations.

521
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: Well, I think the I think the instincts, the instinctive

522
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: nature of the way nine to Noon took it last

523
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: week kind of laid the metaphorical seeds out in front

524
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: of everybody if you listened closely and read between the

525
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: lines to the way I slash we were talking. It

526
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: just felt like with Blake Cashman coming back and Ivan

527
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Pace Junior on the wrong visually for all of us

528
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: to see on the wrong side of a few things

529
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: during the course of the year. But then as you

530
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: watch it back more critically, you see some more things

531
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Speaker 2: that well, let's just I mean, in part, let's just

532
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: think DK metcap Dublin.

533
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: I always love that one.

534
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: So how it's my belief was it will fall off.

535
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't know how how much it's going to fall off.

536
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: And then I saw Eric Wilson's mom on the sideline

537
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: before the game, and I'm like, I think it just zero,

538
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: just completely fell off the clip Mom's here, which means me,

539
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: momm ain't here with the sideline pass in the suite

540
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: area to the right of the tunnel as you head

541
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: out to the field, and the less five to five

542
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: playing the whole game.

543
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 5: So at the Mikes Bikes, I'm mom at the At

544
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 5: the beginning of Ikes Bikes, they said, in some ways,

545
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 5: could you sum up the entire game to the one

546
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 5: of six in the red zone, And if you're looking

547
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 5: at box scores and stats and ultimately the score line,

548
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 5: I think that's pretty fair.

549
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say the whole game. I mean, because

550
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: hole goes to one hundred out of the one hundred percent.

551
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: The I just really really don't want the aberration. Well,

552
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: it's an aberration until it's not unless Herbert rolls out

553
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: here and goes for four hundred and Keenan Allen does

554
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: what he does to us every single time gets like

555
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty receiving yards twenty targets might even

556
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: throw a touchdown pass to Mike Williams.

557
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

558
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: It's the Vikings pass defense meshed with their rush, the

559
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: rush to cover a bit with or without Gink better

560
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: with Van Ginkle, but it you know, it falls off

561
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: a little bit in certain areas and metrics.

562
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: Without Van Ginkle.

563
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: You know who's a vital member of this defense, obviously,

564
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: it's when when somebody hangs a one to fifty eight

565
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: three on you.

566
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean that I don't you can people can? You can?

567
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: People can? They can?

568
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: They can take whatever percentage of the loss they feel

569
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: that is.

570
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: It's some type of a major percentage.

571
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: Yes, because the run defense had been leaky and they

572
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: tightened it up, so then something else got leaky.

573
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, plugging holes in the dam.

574
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: But I mean it's not just plugging holes in the dam.

575
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: It's it's like trying to stay afloat with those animals

576
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: on Noah's Ark. I mean, it's one fifty eight and three,

577
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: it's three and zero, it's three hundred change. It's bouncing

578
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: around in the pocket and pointing to people like you're

579
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: on at Newport Beach play and Sam football. So that, yeah,

580
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: that's really starting to bug me right now. Well, probably

581
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: just need to take a back seat.

582
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: But that's where I was going with a PA, because yes,

583
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: the one is six matters a ton to that end.

584
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: Where you went with it is also one hundred percent

585
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: correct in the regard that the second chance I think

586
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: Pete used this term second chance passing, and you kind

587
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: of bugged me when you started mentioning Dallas Turner. There

588
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: were three or four times yesterday, PA where I just

589
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: watched him. He's got the initial move. He's trying to

590
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: effectively bull rush Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson ain't new to

591
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: the show, and he's been doing this at a high

592
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: level for a long time. He's not new to the

593
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: jat he swallowed him up and as soon as the

594
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: initial push didn't work, and I'm not trying to put

595
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: this on the kid, it looks on tape like he

596
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: just gave up, like he was no longer participating in

597
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: the play. I think about it like if you ever

598
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: watched like an action movie and you have like a

599
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: big time like medieval battle scene and in the background,

600
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: if you pay attention closely, there's just like a couple

601
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: of extras just purouetting around just to be on camera

602
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: and hope they get on the credits. That kind of

603
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: felt like Dallas Turner on a few occasions. Yesterday dominant

604
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: dominated by Lane Johnson. But after that initial push, I

605
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: just didn't see the next step. What was the next chance,

606
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: the next decision to try and get to the QB

607
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: and part of that without Van Ginkel, it led to

608
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: the second chance opportunities, which leads to the street ball. Now,

609
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: me playing street ball as a kid, I'd point, you know,

610
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: go go go deep, and he'd be like a block away.

611
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 3: I can only get it like halfway there. But Jalen

612
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: Hurts just pointing to his guy. It starts out, it

613
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: looks like they're just trying to fit in the zone

614
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: and Mattellus is on him and he just points to

615
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: him and suddenly he's fifteen yards ahead of him and

616
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: it's an easy touchdown. This second chance opportunity, because of

617
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: our lack of pass rush, indeed, is certainly an a

618
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: topic and Yesday's.

619
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: Lost, I mean, the one touchdown from six tries inside

620
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: the twenty is also antithetical to even during an inconsistent

621
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: season with Minnesota Vikings offense. I mean, we didn't score

622
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: a touchdown in the home opener, which is terrible for business.

623
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: And we went a long time yesterday without scoring a touchdown.

624
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: And the team has a certain part of its identity

625
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 2: no matter the quarterback, that is meshed with offense, specifically

626
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: when Darisaw plays every snap and Hockinson gets what he

627
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: gets and Jefferson is arguably best in show and Addison

628
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: has had nothing but pop ever since he returned when

629
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: he plays, and he was big yesterday too, And now

630
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: Nordo says that there was a play for a first

631
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: down or whatever could have been a big hit and

632
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 2: he was missed, so it even could have been bigger.

633
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: But it now is about putting a bow on the

634
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: l put that box and just throw it away and

635
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: move because Thursday's coming fast, and and the pass defense

636
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Vikings had been pretty upper echelon all season,

637
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: no matter who's rushing the quarterback and why. The red

638
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: zone offense for the Minnesota Vikings had been and still

639
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: is rather high endish as the NFL goes with scoring

640
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: touchdowns inside the twenty. So yeah, I elevate that one

641
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: for six for sure to go with the one fifty

642
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: eight point three because they're supposed to be aberrations like

643
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 2: the Vikings. After yesterday, they've scored fifty percent of touchdowns

644
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: on red zone trips. That's tied for fourth in the NFL.

645
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: Oh goodie, it's it's tied with the LA Chargers. Oh sweet,

646
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 2: But they're tied for fourth even after yesterday. They score

647
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: touchdowns inside the twenty one of every three times at

648
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: home and two of every three times on the road.

649
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: What we got against Erotic City. I always love that one.

650
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: So those are two things in me imediately as we

651
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: start to you know, eventually segue to a sneak peek

652
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: at fresh meat, yes, which will be the LA Chargers.

653
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: It's so fine pass defense, all right, Herbert's good.

654
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: I like Hurts.

655
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: I like Herbert, but I like Hurts More and AJ

656
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Brown and DeVante Smith, I and Keenan Allen, lad mcconkee,

657
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: Quinton Johnston.

658
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Well, I got some high end of them too, man.

659
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Speaker 1: I got these Keenan Allen numbers here. Oh, I mean

660
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: I started. I started on Keenan Allen last night.

661
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 2: His last two against the Vikings fifteen catches, one hundred

662
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: and sixty eight yards to tds.

663
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: That was last year with the Bears.

664
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: Two seasons before that, Flores first season here as defensive coordinator.

665
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: Twenty three, when Allen played for the LA Chargers, the

666
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: team with whom he came into the league, eighteen catches

667
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifteen yards, but he didn't have any touchdowns.

668
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: Why because he.

669
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 3: Threw one fifty yard er Mitt Williams or forty nine

670
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 3: I should say.

671
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only touchdown pass of his career. Of course

672
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: it had to be against us. But he's still on

673
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: twenty targets, caught eighteen of them for two hundred and

674
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: fifteen yards twenty twenty three, well before that, eight catches

675
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: ninety eight yards, nine catches ninety nine yards, and his

676
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: debut against the Minnesota Vikings back in the Zimmer Days

677
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: twelve catches, one hundred and thirty three yards and two touchdowns.

678
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen is football immortality, and in six games against

679
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: the Vikings he averages ten catches a game and one

680
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: hundred and nineteen receiving yards a game. Outside of Jamier

681
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: Gibbs in a smaller sample size, I challenge anybody to

682
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: find somebody who over the course of six games in

683
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 2: a decade has torched the Minnesota Vikings the way Keenan

684
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: Allen has. Wow. So that plays into pass defense. Yeah,

685
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: with gink or sans Gank. The pass defense had been

686
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: mostly okay. Fell off the cliff yesterday. Red zone offense

687
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: top five in the NFL still is fell off the

688
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: cliff yesterday.

689
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: It did for middling teams. That stays the same Thursday.

690
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: For teams that look to get a dub and then

691
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: go to Ford Field and get a dub and then

692
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: come back home and beat the Ravens and try to

693
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: get a little something going here. They turned both of

694
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: those around on Thursday night. I guess we'll see daved.

695
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: Via fan line. I saw this a ton yesterday. A

696
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: lot of people frustrated. This is more nitpicking than grand

697
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: scheme type of stuff. But after the non catch too,

698
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: to Hawkinson, you're there, it's fourth and two. You can

699
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: kick that field goal, make it twenty eight, twenty two,

700
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: and then you have what two minutes and fifty some

701
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 3: seconds left, and then you can hopefully get a stop,

702
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: get the ball back and go find a TD. I

703
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: love the presser and how Ko explained it because I'm

704
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: in favor of what he did, and that is well,

705
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: with the time that we have left, I'm sitting here

706
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: in the red zone. I can't guarantee that I'm going

707
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: to get back to the red zone if I can

708
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: get a touchdown here. I need a touchdown and then

709
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: we can talk about the stop, use our timeouts and

710
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: find their way down. Rekord's good from sixty in our

711
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: own building, and therefore, obviously that next drive would require

712
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: less time. The only issue I have because they convert

713
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 3: the fourth down p I think it was Addison for five.

714
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: Wentz can't take that sack. Wentz can't take that sack

715
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: on the next play. So suddenly, now what I believe

716
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: was the right decision by the head coach, we're now

717
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 3: kicking a field goal on the wrong side of the

718
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: two minute warning timeouts. Be damned, where were you guys

719
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: at in the midst of the action in terms of well,

720
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: where's rekerd? I think that they they're just going to

721
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 3: kick a field goal here, right They do not. Wentz

722
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: takes the sack, clock goes down and it ends up

723
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 3: costing them about a minute a game time.

724
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, and I believe it's isol We

725
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: wondered it during the game call is. I thought a

726
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: field goal made sense there because the time situation that

727
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: you laid out. Also, another thing that triggers with me

728
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: or yesterday did was when the Vikings got down to

729
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 2: the six and they added second in goal at the

730
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: second and one at the six. Yeah, and it was

731
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: throw and throw and throw and throw, eventually hitting Jail

732
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 2: and Naylor for a touchdown. And there was a holding

733
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: call on Blake Brandell. That was just a bad call.

734
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: That's the only way to look at it. And again,

735
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get after Bill Vinovich end or

736
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: his staff, and I think people who have followed my

737
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: career know I have no problem getting after referees and

738
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: or officiating staffs.

739
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: Well, now I gotta find it if.

740
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: They're inconsistent or if they just let the tom foolery

741
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: and the skullduggery of the moment and the lot the

742
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: loud nature of the crowd and they get nervous and

743
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: they just can't handle things. Well, then you know, like

744
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 2: certain referees, they get demoted to side judges, and that

745
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: happened just last year. I really hope somebody from the

746
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: NFL offices is listening to us now on Sirius XM Radio,

747
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 2: Trey Blake and this staff are awful and the mistakes

748
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: they've made today are egregious.

749
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: And if there's room in.

750
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 4: The USFL, the XFL, or the Arena League, please send

751
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 4: them their post haste said.

752
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: That was the same staff last year on Thursday Night

753
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: Football that had three people looking right at Sam Darnold's

754
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: neck nearly getting broken back center of the end zone,

755
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: and none of them had the guts to throw a

756
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 2: flag at the end of the game. So anyway, Trey

757
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: got demoted and we haven't seen him all the year,

758
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: and that's totally fine. Vinovich is antithetical to that bill.

759
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: You know, you talk to coaches about reps and they

760
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: generally don't have a lot of great things to say,

761
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: but their quick twitch on yeah, well, don't you remember

762
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: this or don't you remember that? It's they got other

763
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: things to think about. Vinevich and his staff do good work.

764
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: They do good work every single They're consistent with their calls,

765
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: and that staff is always around twelve thirteen, fourteen flags

766
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: thrown a game, and that's really all people in the NFL,

767
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: like players and coaches, expect from a ref and or

768
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: officials consistency. If you're gonna do it like this, do

769
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: it one hundred straight times like that. Vinovich is like that,

770
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: all right, they missed a call. Brandell did not hold

771
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: the bee feeder, and it should have been a touchdown.

772
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: But you know, it got I think it got allued

773
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: on fan line or it got loud somewhere where it's

774
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: like second to one from the sixth, third and one

775
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 2: from the six fourth, one from the sixth.

776
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: We're not running the ball. Well.

777
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: When you go back and look at those three specific plays,

778
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Eagles were permitted to have fifteen

779
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: people on the field.

780
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: They all would have been around the line of scrimmage.

781
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: I mean it was one of them was nine in

782
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 2: the box, another was eight, ended up being nine. And

783
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: that's just where it discretion becomes the better part of valor.

784
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: Some teams are like, yeah, we see what you're doing there,

785
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: and we are still so good with our running game,

786
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: we're going to run into it.

787
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: Maybe that was the right answer.

788
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: Or you take what they give and you throw why

789
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 2: because you've thrown well from the minute this head coach

790
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 2: got here and I didn't really have that much of

791
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: a problem.

792
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: Well, and maybe we'll talk about this with Bursich. You've

793
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: heard me during Ko's time here, I've been one of

794
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: those guys like, are you kidding me? We're really like

795
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: an eighty percent throwing team on third and short, Like

796
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: we can't move guys back three feet six feet to

797
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: pick some of these up?

798
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: Are we making it too complicated at times? But here's

799
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: the deal, man, watch the game. That's when you complain

800
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: about play calling.

801
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: There's so many different things that go into it, and

802
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: I'm hesitant to do it in the first place.

803
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: I need more running game out of this mix.

804
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: I thought they're that first drive of the third quarter,

805
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: they were finding their way nicely around the outside, pushing

806
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: Jordan Mason really productive runs, and I liked that and

807
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: I wanted to see more of that in yesterday's game.

808
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: But people were open, man. I mean the coach schemed

809
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: guys open. The coach schemed CJ Ham inside the ten

810
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: for an easy seven or eight yard game if you're

811
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: out the doorstep, and we can complain about running there

812
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: justin Jefferson fifty to fifty with Cooper Degen. Degene has

813
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: a right to make a good play. Jefferson's gonna catch

814
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: that nine out of ten times, we can move on

815
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: with our lives. Hit Hawkinson so he doesn't have to dive.

816
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: How about Addison in the flat? How about Addison wide open?

817
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: Probably a runaway touchdown, but he has to make a

818
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: circus grab near the sideline. Hit the freaking guys that

819
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: are open. How about that the coach is scheming these

820
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: guys open. We need to find them so in a

821
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 3: vacuum running the ball or talking and digging into the

822
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 3: minutia of the run game as it pertains to yesterday.

823
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's valid. That's where I'm at

824
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 3: with that. But I know we got a break. We're

825
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: behind it. Pete Bursich, I'm already in connection with him.

826
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: He's gonna join us next. But thanks to Thousand Hills,

827
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: that's Vices Bites nine to noon, and there's there's much.

828
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: More to share with that.

829
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: Like you know, we've seen Mason and Xavier Scott x

830
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: amount of snaps over x amount of games now, and

831
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: they both have they both belong doing what they do okay,

832
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: But with all due respect, ain't neither one of them

833
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: running away from anybody. Aaron Jones runs away from people,

834
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: and he may be running away from kohlil Mack and

835
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: some other people like Derwin James on Thursday Night, Let's Go.

836
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: We'll learn more about that as the week, as the

837
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Speaker 2: week is negotiated. The analyst Pete Persage, courtesy of Soup

838
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: Cup Manufacturing, joins nine to New Next on KFA N