1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Shelby Harris with us. Oh yeah, we gotta we got 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: the thing. I'm sorry that you know. Uh, you counted 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: on us. 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: How long your arms? Shall we let you down? 5 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't. I can't reach it. 6 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: You have to read. Oh look at that guy, thank you. 7 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: Look at this guy best hands the league. 8 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 3: You know what Shelby is my hero. 9 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: People don't know what we're talking about. 10 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bright bit said he was good 11 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: because he's got the little body in the way. 12 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: We'll crack his a little aass when he comes to tonight. Okay, yeah, 13 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: look forward to that day. My friend can to see you. 14 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 3: Good to see you guys. 15 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Yep, Shell good. 16 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: I'm doing great. How you doing. 17 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm fantastic. I'm fantastic. Beautiful day. I liked the little precipitation. Uh, 18 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, cool things down a little bit. 19 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 3: So you wear flannel. 20 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,959 Speaker 2: It felt great to wear. Yeah, day, flannel day. 21 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 3: When the rain it. 22 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: Rained on the well on the drive in for morning. 23 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: Oh well makes sense. I work out inside and do 24 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: everything I need to do inside. Okay, I drive, I 25 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: drive here today it was clear. Now it's like a 26 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 3: darkout out. 27 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: A little bit a. 28 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Little bit show was telling me last night that he 29 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: got a chance to be an NBA or an ib Sorry, 30 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: a basketball Well, we have some like NBA stuff I 31 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: want to get to, but a basketball high school basketball ref. 32 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: They didn't have it. 33 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 3: Not high school, not high school. 34 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: High school. I thought was high school. 35 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 3: My son's ten years old. 36 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 4: Okay, well got it a mighty Can we not get 37 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 4: the story right? 38 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: I'll tell it. I'll tell it. I'll tell it. So 39 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: I went. I went to my son's obviously basketball game 40 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: on on Saturday, and you know, I'm sitting there and 41 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: I got volunteered to do the scoreboard. I'll do that, 42 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 3: and then you know, the games we're starting to like, 43 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: you know, there's no ref here? Can you ref here? 44 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: Because I was just talking about how I was a 45 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: youth ref, like I was a ref when I was 46 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: in high school. That's what you got mixed up. I 47 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: was a ref when I was in high school. Four 48 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: youth basketball. There we go, okay, And so then I 49 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 3: had high school interest ref my son's game for the 50 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: first half until the ref showed up. 51 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: And I call any fowls when your son, I called. 52 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: Them, Okay, two double dribbles travel, two fouls. I'm hardest 53 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: on him than anybody. Yeah, like he. 54 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: Touched the ball. He's like looking at you, like what 55 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 2: are you to call him? 56 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: And the worst part, and I was telling you about it, 57 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: I had to yell at parents. I had to yell 58 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: the parent and a coach and I had to tell him, 59 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, you're ruining you sports, like this is supposed 60 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 3: to be about the kids. Like there's a surprise. They're 61 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 3: like literally screaming at each other. I'm like, this is 62 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: like you're ruining it for the kids. 63 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: So when you told them that, what was the reaction? 64 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: Well, get her? I said, it's both of you. It's 65 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 3: both of you screaming at each other in a ten 66 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: year old basketball game and flex on him and like 67 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 3: you don't want you know what's they knew not to 68 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: try me again. I I will say this, And all 69 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: the parents told me this and I'm not just you know, 70 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: hyping myself up, but they're like, yeah, you had way 71 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: more control of the game than the real rep that game. 72 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: Because every time I have to, like every time out, 73 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: I go up and I would tell him, hey, guys, 74 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: is you know watch the hands hands up up, you know, 75 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: let's move our feet, you know, let's start no pushing, 76 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: You're trying to help them, Yeah, like telling them, you know, 77 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 3: and then it would work out. And then when another 78 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: ref caught there, it was just pandemonium. 79 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: What I thought of you, Dave When he was telling 80 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: the story, because he was talking about interacting with the parents, 81 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well they will know a little bit, 82 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: a little bit so that I think. 83 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 4: Any I think any high school coach in any any sport, Yeah, 84 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 4: it has to learn to interact, interact with parents. And 85 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: most of the parents seriously, at least in my career. 86 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: Most of them, the overwhelming majority have been great, period. 87 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: But the ones that aren't stick out. 88 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: That is true. That is true. Look at you, and 89 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: it's very diplomatic. That is that is true. 90 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: Well this is mister football. 91 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: But it's like it's no diplomatic because it's like. 92 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: Say, the parents suck. The parents are like, the parents 93 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: are all full, Like it's I understand now, Like why 94 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: some of these kids act the way they do is 95 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: because the parents don't even know how to conduct themselves. 96 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: Like it's sad watching parents screamates O, screaming at refs umpires, 97 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 3: you know, NonStop, just making the scene. Everybody's kids not 98 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: going to the NFL. Everybody's kids not going to NBA. 99 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 3: Probably on all these teams, not any of them are going. 100 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: But the idea though, is that, like we're trying to 101 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 3: teach these kids' life lessons through sports, and so what 102 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 3: lesson are you teaching these kids when you're making ass 103 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: out of yourself in front of everybody? And I think 104 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 3: that's the that's one of the saddest things when when 105 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: you talk about youth sports are the parents. 106 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 4: I'm going to get a copy of that and I'm 107 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: going to the next time we have a parents meeting. 108 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna play it, just play out, and I'm 109 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 4: gonna give it. I'm going to give access to other 110 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: high school coaches that want to have a chance to 111 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: utilize show these wisdom, right because it's it's pretty accurate. 112 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: It's pretty accurate. 113 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. 114 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: I don't think we've talked about sort of in and 115 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: around this topic for years, but I would love to 116 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: know because you said there are a lot of parents 117 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: that maybe even a younger age, think my kid has 118 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: a chance to be really special. Yeah, and of course 119 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: you're seeing in the high school level, which they're thinking 120 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: about college and beyond at that point when you're having 121 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: those conversations with parents, because you you might have an 122 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: inkling like hey this guy, this guy has something the 123 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: chance to do something, or hey, maybe maybe not so much. 124 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: How do you ride that balance with those parents to 125 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: try to encourage them to continue to develop but not 126 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: get their hopes up. 127 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 4: The thing has changed so much because of because the 128 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: amount of money. You know, you look at nil money 129 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 4: in colleges and I mean there are a lot of 130 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 4: players that are getting a significant amount of money in 131 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 4: nil money, and so I think parents sometimes look at 132 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: that and say, why why can't my son be part 133 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: of that mix? And maybe, excuse me, maybe he can't. 134 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 3: Maybe he can't. 135 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: But as Shelby said, the whole idea about youth sports, 136 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 4: even high school sports to a certain degree, is trying 137 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 4: to teach kids life lessons about dealing with things that 138 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: don't go their way, dealing with adversity, playing through a 139 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: certain level of discomfort, whether whether physically or or mental discomfort. 140 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: There's just so many. 141 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: Things that I think, you know, sports can teach our 142 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: young people. But again, I think a lot of parents 143 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 4: get it, and we all are parents in this room. 144 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: We all want our kids to succeed. We want to 145 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: do whatever we can. We'll put them in the best 146 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: positions that we possibly can. We do that, and I think, 147 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: you know that is done more today than ever before 148 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 4: than ever before because I don't I don't really know why, 149 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:05,559 Speaker 4: but parents want to do everything they possibly can for 150 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 4: their kids to put them in the best position. 151 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: You know. 152 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: I'm from a generation earlier where that I think that happened, 153 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: But also there was more of listen, we put you 154 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: in what we think is a good position, and now 155 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: the rest of it's up to you. You got to 156 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: whether you think or swim, you got to make it. 157 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: You got to make it on your own. And I 158 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: don't there's there's not enough of that sort of mindset 159 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 4: from parents today and it can make it really really challenging. 160 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: Well now nowadays, you know, they got eight year olds 161 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: over here going the training facilities, learning how to move 162 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: and lifting weights and there old I'm being serious, like, 163 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: you got eight nineteen year olds going to these facilities 164 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: and working out, and you know, and their parents are 165 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: doing this under the belief of Okay, the earlier we start, 166 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 3: we're gonna start this and they're gonna be in tip 167 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: top they're gonna be the best athlete ever because we're 168 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: doing this early. Just because as a parent you're putting 169 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: in all this time, all this money. Doesn't mean your 170 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: kid's gonna be an All Star, is going to be 171 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 3: the best player out there. But what you are doing, though, 172 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: you still are setting him up to be the best 173 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 3: that he can. I just may not rise to your 174 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: expectations of a NFL player. But regardless, though you should 175 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: still be proud of your child. You should still be, 176 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 3: you know, right there supporting them NonStop. And if you 177 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: think supporting your child is berating the coaches, berating the refs, 178 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: then you're sadly mistaken. You know the issue? Nowadays, a 179 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: lot of people don't want to blame the child for 180 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: them messing up, and they want to blame everybody else. 181 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: Oh hey, coach Logan, why are you not playing my son? Well? 182 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: Do you see his practice happens? Do you see what 183 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: he does Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday leading up to Friday. 184 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 2: Were you in the audience last night at all? 185 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 3: No? 186 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm just saying it's it's very similar to a 187 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 4: to a talk that I had last night. 188 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you got your coach you got your meeting, 189 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: your parents meeting, and yeah. 190 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: So it's and again listen that for the most part, 191 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 4: I've I've been lucky and had a lot of great parents, 192 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: but there are more of the minority of parents, and 193 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: they're louder these days than they ever have been before. 194 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: And it's just. 195 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 4: It's it's a lot to put up with for high 196 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 4: and I'll speak in this case for high school coaches. 197 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 4: It's a lot to put up with for guys making 198 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: you know, nine cents an hour, but up with this nonsense. 199 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: Coaches, most coaches, unless you're in Texas or California, maybe 200 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: get two three thousand for the whole season. Yeah you're 201 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 3: you're yeah. I mean I've coached thirty three years. This 202 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: will be thirty four coming up. 203 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 4: And my salary I think is forty six hundred dollars 204 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: for the season, right, which I mean, and I'm at 205 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 4: the top of the top of the pay scale. I 206 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 4: remember sitting at a game. This is years ago. I 207 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 4: was I was a coach, I think at Chaffield maybe 208 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: a West and I was at a game at Jeffco Stadium, 209 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 4: sitting in the press box scouting the opponent, and. 210 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: One of the teams at that point was. 211 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 4: Bear Creek, and Bear Creek was coached by a guy 212 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: that's a friend of mine that I consider a friend. 213 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: And this parent seated right below it's glass and I'm 214 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 4: inclosed and this parent, I mean, is like given that 215 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 4: coach the Blues. Now, this is probably whatever twenty five 216 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 4: years ago. So I'm maybe wired a little hotter back 217 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: in those days, and I just can't and it finally 218 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 4: just became it just was too much for me, and 219 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 4: I stood up on. 220 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: The glass and I pounded. 221 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: The glass to where the guy below me looked around 222 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 4: and I just let him, like, let him have it. 223 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: And why why don't you go down and coach like 224 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 4: once you spend the time that these guys spend like 225 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 4: or or shut the hell up? How about that? So 226 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 4: but but that's just I mean, that's that's part of it. 227 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 4: And I don't know any other way around it. It's 228 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 4: gotten worse for social media has made it worse. It 229 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,239 Speaker 4: absolutely happens because. 230 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: Everyone thinks they can have you know, everyone wants to 231 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: everyone to know that they have an opinion about stuff, 232 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: even when they're not well informed on it. They don't 233 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 3: know what they're talking about, and so the idea that 234 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: you know, you can just go on your phone and 235 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: type and opinion has started to blend into real life 236 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: where people are literally sitting here screaming, and coaches trying 237 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: to be like, why are you running this? Why are 238 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: you running? Do you want to come to this meeting 239 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: and see why we're running this? Do you know anything 240 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: about the other team and what they're running? And so 241 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: it's a lot of ignorance when it comes to their parents. 242 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: But it's just sad because the only people are gonna 243 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: suffer from the mess with the kids. 244 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. 245 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking, just for a moment, and then we're 246 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: gonna get some of the big breaking news for the 247 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: day because today's the franchise tag deadline. 248 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff to get to. 249 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: But you were talking about eight year olds working out, 250 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: and I started to think, do you guys think of 251 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: can you think of a. 252 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: Time when we saw that escalate? 253 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: Like, because I remember when Tiger and Earl Woods were 254 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: like when that all happened, and that seemed to be 255 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: sort of defining for a lot of people, Like you know, 256 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: if I get my kid into this thing early because 257 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: you saw a little Tiger Woods out there practicing with 258 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: his dad, and then he becomes maybe the greatest golfer 259 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: of all time, and you start to think, like if 260 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: I just get them invested early on, and who knows 261 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: what they can become. 262 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 2: I don't know if that was. 263 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: Really a demarcation point, but it feels in my brain 264 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: like one, well. 265 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: It helps out. The issue is there's more bad coaches 266 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: and good and so when your child is coming up, 267 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: they're not getting pop things the right way. Interesting, they're 268 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: not being coached the right way. I remember coming up 269 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: playing football and we called it Cardinal football where I 270 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: was because the Cardinals, but it was youth football. The 271 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: first thing we did was, you know, obviously talk about 272 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: how to tackle, going through fundamentals of every aspect of football. 273 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 3: And it's saddening because you go on social media and 274 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: you see coaches making kids just run into each other, 275 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like these like a lot 276 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 3: of people have an idea of what they think coaching 277 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: is or what they think coaching football is, and it's 278 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: the complete opposite of what coaching football really is, you 279 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 3: know what I mean. You don't just need to have 280 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: guys who's running into each other all day that's not 281 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: what's going to get them better. But another thing about 282 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: the whole youth circuit in general, and this is the 283 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: last thing I'll say about this, is I have a 284 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 3: problem with the AAUTH circuit and the baseball circuit and 285 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 3: a softball circuit. Any sport that tries to demand players 286 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 3: to play year round, it it's a farce. Like get 287 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: him out of that. Any coach that tries to tell 288 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: a kid we need you to play this year round, 289 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 3: you need to look for a different team. You're appreaching 290 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 3: with the car because that coach does not have your 291 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: best interest in mine. I've been doing. 292 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 4: For years and years. I tell my parents at UH 293 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 4: at places that I've been. If you have a coach 294 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: in this building that is telling you that you need 295 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 4: to just pick a sport, you need to come out 296 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: and play spring sport, and then fall sport, same sport, 297 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 4: and then summer sport, you need to work out otherwise 298 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 4: you're not going to be in the varsity. When I said, 299 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 4: you ought to report that coach and try to get 300 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: him fired. Go to the ad and just say this 301 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: this guy is not or this gal is not. Is 302 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 4: not good for kids. It's not good for kids. To 303 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 4: spend their entire year. First of all, they need to 304 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: get away from it kid at times. Second of all, 305 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 4: it's not good to spend twelve months a year on 306 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 4: one sport because you get all sorts of repetitive injuries 307 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 4: because you're using the same muscles and tendons and all 308 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: sorts of things in that one particular sport. That's what's 309 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 4: great about being a multi sport athlete, and that seemingly 310 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 4: is dying dying, you know. So I almost shelby on that. 311 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: Well, because you could go and I would go from 312 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: playing football and I only lost two games of high school, 313 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: so we'd be playing all the way. We go to 314 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: state every year. We go to state. Then right after 315 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: I might miss one basketball game or something like that. 316 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: Then I go to basketball, and you know, I'm in 317 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: I was in this. You know, my fitness was I 318 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: could play fifty sixty plays a game. I go to basketball, 319 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: I'm dead in a second. So that shows you the 320 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: idea that you're using different muscle groups, you know, and 321 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: that's what you're supposed to do. These overused injuries you 322 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: got in high school, you got middle school as high 323 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: schools getting Timmy John yep, you know what I mean, 324 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: And you got guys that you know worse. Baseball is 325 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: even worse because pitchers are trying to throw out their 326 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: ucos because Tommy Johnn helps them throw harder. Like this 327 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: is how wrong you sports is right now. But it's 328 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: all because it's a business now, you know, you know, 329 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: once you have these organization coaches, these tournament holders making 330 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: all of this money, it ruins the game for the kids. 331 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: And also sports is supposed to be free, like sports 332 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: is not supposed to break the bank for you to play. 333 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: That's what access to sports. And it's become such a 334 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: money grab that it's cutting off sports to certain people. 335 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: And it's sad. 336 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: Very quickly, let me ask you, is that a supply 337 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: demand thing? 338 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: No, it's just it's literally the idea though, is that 339 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: all these people have been told that you got to 340 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 3: play year round, got you got to go to this 341 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: select team if you want eight year old nine year 342 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: old select teams? What is that doing? What is that 343 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: doing for these kids? We're doing travel ball at nine 344 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: ten years years old? Like it's this but once again, 345 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: it's some money grab and it's preying on the people 346 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: who don't know. Cause I can tell you this look 347 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: at any athlete, like in any professional athlete, I know 348 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 3: their kids not doing that stuff. I know they're preaching 349 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 3: multiple sports. You need a break, get off of that. 350 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: And so it's the athletes, the ones that actually have 351 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 3: done it are not over here trying to make their 352 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: kids go year round and doing all stuff. 353 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: Then you should either great stuff, guys, really good stuff. 354 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: All right. 355 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: So today was the franchise tag deadline a couple of guys. 356 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: So you got Daniel Jones getting a transition tag out 357 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: there in Indy, which is just basically right to match. 358 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: So teams are gonna possible. It's thirty seven million, I 359 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: think something around there. Thirty seven million for him. And 360 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: then our guy, Kyler Murray is going to get released. 361 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Now this isn't a surprise to anybody, But I. 362 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: Don't know, Dave. You know he's at a point. 363 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: And I know when when he was kind of on 364 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: the draft, you and I talked to because we were 365 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: both like, hey, I could see it working whatever size. 366 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: I think that guy can work. You get so many 367 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: years down the road, now you have the team kind 368 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: of giving up on him. What's what's next? Who who 369 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: should be looking at Kyler Murray as a potential quarterback. 370 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 4: I think that depends on I think that depends a 371 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 4: lot on Kyler Murray and where his head's at. And 372 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 4: from a skill standpoint, I absolutely think he could. He 373 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 4: can play and in the right system, I think he 374 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 4: can excel. But there are just some questions. Whether they're 375 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 4: fair or not, I don't know, but there's questions in 376 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: terms of does they really love football? Is he a 377 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 4: guy that's going to spend time, you know, preparing like 378 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the NFL have to do. Is he somebody 379 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 4: that doesn't want to do that? Is he somebody that 380 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 4: just is he a gamer? Meaning does he play games 381 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 4: all the time in hall not a guy that plays 382 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 4: on Sunday. Well, So from a talent standpoint, yes, I 383 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 4: would be interested, but I would be leary until I 384 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: guess maybe I talked to him and just had my 385 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: own evaluation, try to find out, like, hey man, so 386 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 4: where are he at? 387 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: The league is so desperate for quarterbacks, and so he's 388 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: going to find a home well, no doubt. 389 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: Cheap quarterbacks, because the Cardinals still owe him about thirty 390 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 3: eight million dollars. So it's a Russell Wilson situation where 391 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 3: he's going to go sign for the minimum somewhere. Yeah, 392 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 3: And so this gives a lot of teams a chance 393 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: that really finding at least a quarterback that you can 394 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: have for a year, maybe became a year flyer and 395 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: see if you want to sign him for a long 396 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: term deal. With a lot of teams looking at him. 397 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: But just like the Russellilson, you're going to see and 398 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 3: just like Aaron Rod, you want to see a lot 399 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 3: of guys just go you know, a lot of teams 400 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: want to ask about them, and they're going to bring 401 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: him in. Like I wouldn't. I would not be surprised. 402 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: You have a lot of teams that need a quarterbacks 403 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: this year and don't have cap space, so that is 404 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: a viable solution. 405 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: Ither Have you played against him? 406 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: Yes, I actually have two sacks on him, Of course 407 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: you do. That's a tricky steads you know, two sacks 408 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 3: with him. I sacked my homes the second most out anyone, 409 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: you know, just like five or six. Wow, because I 410 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 3: had a two sack game. On one sack game, I thought, 411 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 3: like five. 412 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 1: It's hard to play against my home was far. Well, 413 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: I know Kyler, like you can't really see him well, like. 414 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: I said, Tyler is he's never had an O line 415 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: and so that's why it was not like a little 416 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: person dig yeah was I'm pretty sure it's your height, 417 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 3: isn't he He's really not. 418 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: I have six foots. 419 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 4: Come on, Yonder, Yeah, come on, yeah, your your your 420 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 4: I mean your. 421 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: True heights is like five and then that little is it? 422 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: Would that be an italic? 423 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: It killed him here? I have six ft tall and 424 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 2: then I was six foot tall since high school. 425 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 4: When you then have the dash after the five, it's 426 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 4: not a double digit that's behind it on it's a 427 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: nice it's ane can go five nine and a quarter 428 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 4: or whatever. So there's more numbers measuring here. 429 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: In the building. 430 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 3: One. 431 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: You know, five nine, it's okay. There's nothing wrong with five. 432 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong. 433 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 3: But I think about it like this. 434 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 4: Even though you're not a top gun fan, you dwarf 435 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 4: Tom Cruise, Well, that's true, you're dwarfing. Well he's like 436 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: five too. 437 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: He's like. 438 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: You look at Tom Cruise and say, what's up a 439 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: little man? 440 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 4: Pat him on the head. Yeah, I mean you got 441 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: that going for it? Beat be fired up about that. 442 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: Maybe I can see that it might be five to 443 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: eleven we're. 444 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: Getting closer to reality. But it's okay, Joey and I 445 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 4: both still love you. It's it's not a big deal. 446 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: All right, we're off really here to see to says, all. 447 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: Right, we'll write back. Okay. 448 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 3: I just remember listening to something like this. 449 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 4: I asked a good friend of mine, like, because I'm 450 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 4: a huge R and B, old school R and by right, 451 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 4: that's my friends. You know, I was just an old 452 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: school R and B song, and I've got a friend 453 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 4: who couldn't be further in the opposite direction. Hard rocker 454 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 4: never listened to it. So every time I say, hey, 455 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 4: name the artist, you'll say Temptations. 456 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 3: That's his go to. 457 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: It's like every Temptation I said, this is one, dude, this. 458 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: Is not I really thought, so listen. That's why I lived. 459 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: Some say I'm gonna just wait because I just remember, 460 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 3: you know, waking up in the middle of night when 461 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: you let we would fall asleep at the TV on 462 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: it'd be three am, and it would be like the 463 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: the infomercials fall those CDs and something. I've heard that 464 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: song before, and that's that's on one of those. I 465 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: could have sworn it was John Denver, the Broncos played 466 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: in London. The Broncos played in London this year, played 467 00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: the Jets. 468 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 4: They played this song as well, I think, I think, 469 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 4: and it was the same thing. Good crazy singing it 470 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 4: and just like I just remember looking around and quick 471 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 4: story about it. I remember it comes on. I remember 472 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 4: looking around and like, wow, this is so cool. And 473 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: then it was like the two many warning and so 474 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 4: then we came back and then you know, they had 475 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 4: like a forty yard runner in the game. So that 476 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: was great. That was a great time. But I'll never 477 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 4: forget that though. 478 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 479 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: A couple of texts here, and by the way, a 480 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: lot of a reaction to our conversation a little bit 481 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: earlier talking about high school youth sports and you know, 482 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: giving perspective from both Dave and Shelby, I think is 483 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: very valuable there. 484 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: I encourage you to go check it out on the podcast. 485 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: A little bit later on this one says Ryan, your 486 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: flannel makes you look a little taller. Ryan's six foot 487 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: with his cowboy boots on tippyto. 488 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 4: I don't worry, Ryan is a good sized man. You 489 00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 4: guys need to stop it changed Twitter nine my half. 490 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: You started out of six to one and now. 491 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: At least in an honest moment, you've dwindled two inches 492 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 4: on the show, I will. 493 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: The point of it is, I've said six for my 494 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: entire life. 495 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: My kids just recently and I was telling Shay with 496 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: this off the air, just recently took out the measuring 497 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: tape because they didn't believe me either. 498 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: And I'm five to eleven and it's suppressing. So you 499 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 4: ain't get me on that. I know you're five. I 500 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 4: know you're just under five ten. You know what that means. 501 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 4: You're five to nine and something. That's what you are. 502 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 3: It's okay. 503 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: Somebody reminding me that Kajack called me a little buddy 504 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: on Twitter three years ago. 505 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: That actually happened. It happened. Yeah, so you pissed kJ off. 506 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 507 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: I didn't. 508 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. 509 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: I was Actually it was Ben, how you got the 510 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 3: little buddy. 511 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 2: Though I got the little buddy, you didn't know who 512 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 2: it was, which is remarkable also because I've said hi 513 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: to him, talk to him in the locker of a 514 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: billion times. That's a lot. 515 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: But but the point of it is is Ben is 516 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: the one that was being negative because Kajack was coming back. 517 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: To Broncos decided to bring it back one more year. 518 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ben was saying, how I don't think he's 519 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: got anything left, so he fired. 520 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 4: So kJ obviously saw that thought that was you and 521 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 4: fired back. 522 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks a little buddy, Yeah, a little bud. 523 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: Wow. 524 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So I was so now that people will remember that, and. 525 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: But it was I was sitting so he couldn't, you know, 526 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: never mind five six six nights zeros Kwa Comma spird 527 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: health text. 528 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: Speaking of little Buddy. 529 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 4: Do you hear Russell Wilson, Yes, because he just he 530 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 4: mentioned little buddy thought appropriate descriptions, pretty good, right. 531 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 3: Speaking of a guy it's not five ten either. 532 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: So he was on the bus with the Boys podcast. 533 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: And now you remember last year when he sent out 534 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: that tweet following Sean. 535 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: You remember Sean took a shot at him after the 536 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: Giants game and then tried to claim he didn't right. 537 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: Right, So Sean took a shot at Russ saying something 538 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: to the fact, I've talked to John Morrow. I was 539 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: kind of hoping that they wouldn't make the shared transition 540 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: to this quarterback. You know, we thought we had a 541 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: better matchup kind of thing. The rust suited out classless 542 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: but not surprised. Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting fifteen 543 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: plus years later through the media hashtag less ride. And 544 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: so then he's on this podcast and he had this 545 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: to say about it. 546 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: I don't say much. I never hardly ever say anything. 547 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 5: I think there's a time and place Sometimes you get 548 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 5: fatigued of people talking about you. You just see, like 549 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 5: you mentioned, you're all human, you know, but it's one 550 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 5: thing for people that maybe aren't in the field or 551 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 5: aren't people say bots or whatever, talking like I don't 552 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 5: worry about that. 553 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: Stuff like that that never been to me. 554 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: When you've been in the ring, or. 555 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 5: You've been on the same side and this and that, 556 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 5: and I got the same amount of rings as you got, 557 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 5: meaning Sean listen, I got a lot of respect for 558 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 5: him as a play caller, this and that. But to 559 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 5: take a shot, I don't like. I don't think it's necessary, 560 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 5: especially when I'm not even on your own team anymore. 561 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 5: So for me, I've realized I've stayed quiet for so long. 562 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 5: There's a time and place where I'm not For me, 563 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 5: I know who I am as a competitor, as a warrior, 564 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 5: as a champion to I've beaten Sean to, you know, 565 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 5: like we've been on the same place and same thing, 566 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 5: and so it's not that a matter of disrespect. 567 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: Just don't disrespect me talking talk that trash. 568 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 4: I loved it for Russ, that truly was trash talking, 569 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 4: so the fullest. I mean, wow, I saw I saw 570 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 4: the video clip of that on the podcast, and I 571 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 4: mean listen, Sean said what he said, and then when 572 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 4: he was asked about it, he claimed that that's not 573 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 4: at all what he meant. But I would probably taken 574 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: it the same way Russ took it. Honestly, I probably 575 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 4: would have, so. 576 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: I would have goad. I would have taken it the 577 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 3: exact same way. You know, you have no reason to 578 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 3: even bring you know, I would be like, you have 579 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 3: no reason to even bring my name up. And he 580 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 3: didn't even have to say anything, but you knew exactly 581 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 3: who was talking about. And I'm just you know, I'm 582 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 3: happy Russ finally snapped back, you know, finally defended himself 583 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: and then had had to throw in there. We both 584 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: wand I won a super Bowl too. We both want 585 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: to we both won a super Bowl. Yeah, and I 586 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: beat you a few times, you know, I beat yees, 587 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's just like which 588 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: is true? 589 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 590 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I think the disrespect for Russell Wilson 591 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: happened fast. You know, he went from one of the 592 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: best quarterbacks in the league now everybody thinks he's a 593 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 3: laughing stock. Now granted, his play wasn't the greatest, but 594 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: he wasn't the worst quarterback of all time. And you know, 595 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 3: he's been a winner. He's been a winner throughout his 596 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 3: whole career. So, you know, I think it's cool and 597 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: I think it's awesome that Russ finally stood up and 598 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: said keep my name out of your mouth. 599 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: I do want to ask you guys about his legacy 600 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: and maybe how that said has changed in the last 601 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: few years. 602 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: The band you go to hang with me in the frost. 603 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 3: I went to Blink one eighty two with my wife. Yeah, 604 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 3: and I knew the last song that was it. 605 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: I would I went to a Blank one eighty two 606 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: concert with my daughter, not fully having an appreciation of 607 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 4: exactly what some of the lyrics were in Blink one 608 00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 4: eighty two. 609 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 3: Liked him talented. I like the theis Barker playing the 610 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 3: drums and all the instruments and stuff that was very talented. 611 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 3: Not just wasn't that's something my thing. But I didn't 612 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 3: have a bad time. I was just chill him. 613 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 2: That's great. 614 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: But I did not know a single I knew the 615 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 3: last song, but every other song, like. 616 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: I've never heard of this, like all the small things. Yeah, yeah, 617 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: I figured that was it. One of the avs was 618 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: play there. 619 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: So I wanted to as we're talking with Russell Wilson, 620 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: and I want to get into this tweet from Mike 621 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: Sando here. We will do that here at the top 622 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: of the hour, as he had commentary not only on 623 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: RUSS but also on Sean Payton. But we just played 624 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: the sound there from Russell Wilson as he was on 625 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: the bus with the Boys podcast addressing his tweet about 626 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: Sean Payton. What is Russell Wilson's legacy Like like when 627 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: he got here to Denver, he was on the trajectory 628 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: he was. We're a few years removed from that he 629 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: played with the Giants last year. 630 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: I don't even know. 631 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that the timing of this is actually intentional with 632 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: free agency around the corner, and maybe he's trying to 633 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: get his name out there because nobody's really talking about 634 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. I don't know, but what's his legacy? What 635 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: are we going to say if Russell Wilson is done 636 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: right now? 637 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: I would say that Russell Wilson was a really good player, 638 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: maybe even a great player when he was in Seattle, 639 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 4: and his play in Seattle, I think would would have 640 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: had him on a trajectory to the Hall of Fame. 641 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 4: I think he was. I mean, you can go back 642 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: and looking the numbers. I think he was that good. Now, 643 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 4: the Denver thing didn't work, the Steelers thing didn't work, 644 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 4: and so if he should his career end now, I 645 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not sure about the Hall of Fame thing. 646 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 4: Certainly not a first ballot Hall of Famer, but damn, 647 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: he was really good in Seattle. I'd have to think 648 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 4: about it. 649 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. Ten time Pro bowler, you know, I'm 650 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 3: just looking around with on two three, five time All. 651 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 4: Pro, two time Super Bowl participate, one time Super Bowl champs, 652 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 4: so he got a ring. 653 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: So I just well, I don't even know if I'm 654 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: reading this. I don't think he's a five time All Pro. 655 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: But I'm just I just believe though that the super 656 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: Bowl obviously helps him out a little bit, and I 657 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: like they said, I'm not sure if he's a first ballot, 658 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: but I know, actually, Lie, I think he is the 659 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: first ballot because what he did in Seattle was, you know, tremendous. 660 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: He went in there as what a fourth round pick, 661 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: third round pick, beat out Matt Flynn for the quarterback 662 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 3: job his rookie year, and then really elevated them the 663 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 3: rest of his time there. And there's the people he beat, 664 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 3: the big games he had. 665 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: You don't think the last few years was playing in Denver, 666 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh and New York. 667 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: Sis's impacted Aaron Rodgers too. 668 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 3: It's like, for some reason now it seems like all 669 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 3: the older quarterbacks are over here bouncing around team the 670 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: team at the end, you know, they're still trying to 671 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 3: hold on. They still feel like they have the talent 672 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: to do it. And so it's not just him. You know, 673 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: we're seeing it all, we're seeing it all over it. 674 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: But I don't think his last four years were really 675 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 3: impacted as much, because the worst part about it is 676 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: if you actually look at his dimmer years, his numbers 677 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: were not bad. It just didn't look good on the field. 678 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: And so that's why I believe that he will be 679 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: more likely a first ballot Hall of Fame. 680 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 4: I don't think I would say there is. I don't 681 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: say zero. I'd say there is such a small chance 682 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: of him being a first ballot Hall of Famer. 683 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 3: I just don't see it. His ten years in Seattle 684 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: alone were phenomenal, you know what I mean, he really, 685 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: like his best year, you could say, threw forty touchdowns 686 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: and thirteen interceptions, and it's just, you know, a little 687 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 3: bit of the same every year. But the guy was 688 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 3: a game changer for them. But obviously a lot of 689 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: people are going to say, oh, you had man Shawn, 690 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 3: Oh you had the legion a boom. What quarterback didn't 691 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: have great defenses? Tom Brady? You know all those years 692 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 3: in New England when they had those defenses. You know, 693 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: That's where I even say this. The reason Ann Rodgers 694 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 3: does only has one Super Bowl is because he's that 695 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: terrible defenses behind him. So, yeah, most good quarterbacks get 696 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 3: elevated by great defense. 697 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 4: He also hasn't had, maybe with the exception of DeVante Adams. 698 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 4: When you look over Aaron Rodgers' career in Green Bay, 699 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 4: I don't know that we can say he had a 700 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 4: great offensive supporting cast either. I mean not, Man, is 701 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 4: there not anybody on the green Bay teams over those 702 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 4: that we're not You know, we don't have a chalkboard 703 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 4: with green Bay Packer names on it. 704 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 3: It was a good receiver, Michael Finley does not get hurt, 705 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: break his back. He's he was a generational type tight end. 706 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 3: Jennings good player, Donald Driver, good player, James Jones. No, none, none, 707 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 3: even close to no. I mean you can. 708 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 4: I mean Brady, that's an easy that's an easy Hall 709 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 4: of Fame pick. 710 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 3: Now. 711 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 4: It's not to diminish Tom Brady, but it's reality. He 712 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 4: had Gronkowski, who's one of the generational tight ends of 713 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 4: our time, change the game. I mean, there are some 714 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 4: people that think Edelman will find his way into the 715 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. So, I mean he had some you 716 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 4: don't think so Na, there are some people I know, I. 717 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 3: Know there will be you know a lot of people. 718 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 3: And I don't think Julie Edelman was a bad like. 719 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 3: I think he was a very good postseason Numbers postseason 720 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 3: which don't count at all towards stats. 721 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 2: They count in terms of your Hall of Fame. 722 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 3: And I get that, But isn't that crazy though, like 723 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: he's going to get into the possibly going to get 724 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame for games that don't count 725 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: towards overall stats, which I think is wrong. 726 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: In the first regular season catches, the. 727 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 4: Julian Edelman have regular season catches, I'll tell you, I 728 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 4: just not You realize this is radio. 729 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 730 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 4: Oh, total six hundred and twenty six twenty for how 731 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 4: many yards? 732 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 3: Six thousand, eight hundred and twenty two. Okay, thirty six touchdowns. 733 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 4: Oh that's all of those are not Hall of Fame 734 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 4: numbers for sure. 735 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll come back.