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Speaker 2: Fifty five cares the talk station. Today. November fourteenth, among

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Speaker 2: other things, is the seventy sixth birthday of one James

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Speaker 2: Vincent Young, the only continuous member of the rock band

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Speaker 2: Sticks from its inception. Let's crank up some blue collar mans.

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Speaker 3: We've got Roland hears, just.

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Speaker 2: A blue collar kid from the Chicago area. Was in

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Speaker 2: the Best Teens in America competition. They went a hunt

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy he joined a band called tw four,

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Speaker 2: which later, as we know, became Sticks, and through every

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Speaker 2: incarnation he's been a member of Styx. Heavy birthday to

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Speaker 2: Jay James Young. Before we look at to look back

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Speaker 2: at significant events and people tied to this particular data

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Speaker 2: in history, including but not limited to these this date.

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Speaker 2: In eighteen fifty one, the way Bill Herman Melville's novel

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Speaker 2: Moby Dick, published in the United States eighteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: Journalist Back when there were such things as actual journalists,

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Speaker 2: you know who just reported facts and stuff. Named Nellie

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Speaker 2: Bly began an attempt to travel round the world in

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Speaker 2: in fact have been. She successfully completed that journey in

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Speaker 2: little more than seventy two days. Ships trains, no automobiles,

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Speaker 2: her journey on this date, November fourteenth, nineteen ten, Eugene

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Speaker 2: b Eli became the first aviator to take off from

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Speaker 2: The year was nineteen forty. Flasha had twenty years to

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Speaker 2: New Orleans, Louisiana, nineteen sixty five. Our first known major

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Speaker 2: Southeast Asia. Apollo twelve blasted off for the Moon just

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Speaker 2: land on it. The year was nineteen sixty nine. And

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Speaker 2: you talk about things that movies are made of, legends

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Speaker 2: are made of. It happened on this date in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy a chartered Southern Airways plane crashed while trying to

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Speaker 2: the Marshall University football team and its coaching staff. We

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Speaker 2: Dow Jones this date. In nineteen seventy two, the DJIA,

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Speaker 2: with the Dolphins. Famous folks celebrating birthdays Besides j Y

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Speaker 2: Basketball Hall of Famer Jack Sigma is seventy Anybody remember

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Speaker 2: Sophia Kennan or Keenan is twenty seven. If it's your birthday,

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Speaker 2: I hope it's the best birthday you can possibly imagine

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Speaker 2: Hardage talking about AI and how to protect our kids,

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Speaker 2: of this hour, Vicky Lossandro, who was the president of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati's chapter of VCAS it's the Veteran Companible Companion Animal Services.

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Speaker 2: Try to combine those two words, Veteran Companion Animal Services

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Speaker 2: and it's really a unique charity what they're doing for veterans,

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Speaker 2: this Friday, November fourteenth. Great to be with you once again,

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Speaker 2: and as always, if you're up and you're moving around

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Speaker 2: is your retire Sunday of fifty one. It's forty three

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Speaker 2: TGIF and Carrie jeff In for BT. Another one of

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Speaker 2: our gas leader is a historian, Mark Lee Gardner, who

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Speaker 2: has actually been a lot of books written about the

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Speaker 2: It's called Brothers of the Gun. It's a dual biography

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Speaker 2: of Wyatt Earth and Doc Holiday. Thanks to Joe Strecker

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Speaker 2: for that, and thanks to Joe Strucker for showing up

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Speaker 2: like he always does well. City Council in Cincinnati approving

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Speaker 2: a new curfew zone for the short Vine area near

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Speaker 2: Well duh. Now, I'm not one of those people who

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Speaker 2: was going to consistently poo poo anything this council does,

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Speaker 2: even though that's very easy to do, or the mayor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they must be wildly supported. They got re

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Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna, says too little,

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Speaker 2: too late, not enough. How about actually effectively policing the

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Speaker 2: areas in question instead of imposing curfews, Director of Public Safety.

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Speaker 2: But we'll just wait and see, won't we. It's kind

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Speaker 2: We'll see, but we know what the reaction has been

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Speaker 2: if the new curfew restrictions. I mean, the city already

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Speaker 2: Nine o'clock, get them off the streets. Anyone under eighteen

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Speaker 2: curfew requires them to go home before nine o'clock. According

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Speaker 2: So that's the intent there. Part of government is that

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Speaker 2: Hopefully this is going to have an impact on that.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Strecker mentioned what about the street over from

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Speaker 2: brilliant plan, what was it to move the hookers out

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Speaker 2: We're going to impose these restrictions and this is going

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and Short Vine a lot safer by imposing this

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Speaker 2: crack down in one place, It just moves. Of course,

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Speaker 2: this is in reaction again the City of Cincinnati, the

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Speaker 2: There have been so many incidences of violent acts committed

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Speaker 2: Safety director said Tuesday they have seen fourteen and fifteen

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Speaker 2: Short Vine. Well, that's nothing new. Fourteen and fifteen year

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Speaker 2: olds have been known to mingle with college students for

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Speaker 2: Let's the at East University in short Vine back in April,

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Speaker 2: the story recalling a twenty five year old man allegedly

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Speaker 2: fifteen year old allegedly put on trial? Was he convicted?

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Speaker 2: Was he allegedly incarcerated as he should have been for

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Speaker 2: teens who re fuse to go home can be transported

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Speaker 2: to Seven Hills Curfew Center in the West End. Those

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Speaker 2: to the juvenile detention facility in Mount Auburn. How about

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Speaker 2: a maximum security daycare? Some council members express concerns that

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Speaker 2: the curfew might push young people to other areas. Will

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Speaker 2: you think didn't we just mention that? But supporters said

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Speaker 2: it's a good start to addressing safety issues of the district. Again,

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Speaker 2: I'll leave this story with a big fat wheel, See

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have. Let's say the odds in Vegas are

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Speaker 2: not with the city's curfew. I mean, it's not looking good,

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Speaker 2: Forty three now at fifty five KRCV Talk States. It

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Speaker 2: first and foremost Happy Veterans Week. How's it going? You said,

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Speaker 4: Right, Vicky, We've been very busy. I just want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, explain for people who did not hear the first

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Speaker 4: Yeah. We basically rescue dogs from shelters and pair them

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Speaker 4: Have found that animals can really just change.

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Speaker 5: Your basically your whole outlook on life.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've we've seen veterans who really come back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And and uh, you also have have done some

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Speaker 4: Strictly are just not yet We're strictly just working with veterans.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic. So it's a two pronged rescue because you

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Speaker 4: We well, we've been doing some community outreach. We go

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Speaker 2: How many dogs have you been able to play so far?

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Speaker 2: Have you been able to place any dogs with veterans yet.

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Speaker 4: VICKI, we were really close on one and it kind

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Speaker 2: Then all right, you've got a fundraiser that you wanted

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Speaker 4: Yes, because we have a lot of costs involved with

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Speaker 4: We have an online auction going on right now. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're covering the costs pretty much for any

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Speaker 2: And it's VCAS or vodkas charity dot org. Yes, yes, okay, fantastic,

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Speaker 2: Vicky Lessandro. I wish you great success, especially on Veterans Week.

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Speaker 2: Let's get some dogs with some veterans and make both

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Speaker 4: We like to say we we rescue dogs to rescue vets.

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Thank you, Vic.

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Speaker 4: All right, all right, thank you, and thank you so

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Good morning Gary? Yeah? It's what do the kids say?

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Speaker 8: It's been a minute since since I talked to you.

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Speaker 2: What it has because because Brian does not take enough

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Speaker 8: So when when Joe's number comes up on your phone,

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Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much it.

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Speaker 5: Right on.

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Speaker 2: He did ask if I could work this coming Monday,

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Speaker 8: On, right off, right off.

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Speaker 2: So what's on your mind?

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, when you started to show, you

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Speaker 2: for us, and and and they and they prove, they

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Speaker 2: prove time and time again that they're working for themselves

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Speaker 2: and they're working to retain and accumulate more power.

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Speaker 8: Right, and they're and they're working for the party.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all these guys, all these guys are supposed to

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Speaker 8: be working for the people in their district or their senders,

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Speaker 8: people in the state. And obviously they don't. And you know,

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Speaker 8: we could accuse Republicans of the same kind of crack.

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Speaker 2: Sure, they may not.

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Speaker 8: They may not do it for the same reason.

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Speaker 2: Except for except for Thomas Massey will have him this

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Speaker 2: morning at seven thirty.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I agree. And this is not a blanket statement

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Speaker 8: for every politician, but the vast majority of them. So

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Speaker 8: the problem with the Democrat Party is the Democrat Party

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Speaker 8: and because of the things that they come up with.

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Speaker 2: And I'll I'll go, I'll go even farther, Tom, the

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Speaker 2: problem with the Democrat Party is that it simply does

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Speaker 2: not exist anymore.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, compared to what it used to be. I

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Speaker 8: wholeheartedly agree. I't I didn't necessarily agree with the old

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Speaker 8: Democrat Party either, but it's it's gotten way out of hand,

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Speaker 8: and it's it is a it is a serious, clear

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Speaker 8: and present danger to this country. Don't so for that

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Speaker 8: and many other reasons, don't vote Democrat.

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Speaker 2: Great, No, thank you, Tom. Don't worry about democracy, worry

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Speaker 2: about the Republic. It's five fifty five KRCV talk station

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Speaker 2: renew and refresh r S deep talk station. You know, generally,

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with flags, unless, of course, they're

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Speaker 2: taking the place of the American flag, the stars and stripes.

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Speaker 2: I love the American flag. People have all kinds of flags.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that people should be protesting in this

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Speaker 2: country using flags from other countries, or protesting this country,

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Speaker 2: say with their Pride flag, for example, as a protest

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Speaker 2: against the United States of America. Guy in Florida last

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Speaker 2: week was in a Starbucks. There was a Pride flag

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Speaker 2: up at Starbucks. Again, it's not my flag. I don't

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Speaker 2: care if I ever I saw another Pride flag in

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Speaker 2: my life, but it doesn't bother me. There's a Pride

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Speaker 2: flag up at Starbucks, of all places. This is in

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Speaker 2: Saint Petersburg, Florida. But the man in question, Tucker Camp,

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Speaker 2: aged thirty one, was arrested for tearing the Pride flag

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Speaker 2: off the wall at the Starbucks after throwing his tea

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Speaker 2: on the gay right symbol. And my message to Tucker,

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Speaker 2: age thirty one is that's what they do, Tucker. That's

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Speaker 2: what the lbgt QIA E I e IO activists do.

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Speaker 2: The militants, the trans militants, they engage in violence, they

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Speaker 2: engage in vandalism. We don't do that. I think Tucker

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Speaker 2: found out that and apologized. After being fired from his

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Speaker 2: job at the Dignity Memorial funeral home chain, Kyle Supported

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Speaker 2: told a Starbucks manager. Starbucks manager, he was offended by

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Speaker 2: the flag in the fact that they should put up

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Speaker 2: an American flag. You can be offended all you want, Tucker,

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Speaker 2: but it's not your flag. You can't burn it, you

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Speaker 2: can't throw tea on it. It's in a place of business.

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Speaker 2: We don't and should not behave that way as conservatives,

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Speaker 2: as supporters of this country, as supporters of law and

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Speaker 2: order and the constitution, supporters of people like Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 2: who had his life violently taken from him by a

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Speaker 2: trans militant who engaged in violence, criminal activity, as they're

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Speaker 2: doing in Portland, Oregon, as they're doing in Broadview, Illinois,

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Speaker 2: as they're doing in numerous cities around the country where

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is trying to fulfill the campaign promise of

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Speaker 2: deporting the worst of the worst illegal criminals. The left

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Speaker 2: does that. The left engages in violence. We don't. Again,

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Speaker 2: the rainbow is not my favorite symbol as far as

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Speaker 2: the Pride flag goes. But you can't go tearing up

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Speaker 2: somebody else's material just because you don't like it. Hmm.

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Speaker 2: It's not the h And certainly as a Christian, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't find that edifying at all. That didn't help anything,

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Speaker 2: and you lost your job. Oh well, live and learn, can't.

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Speaker 2: Hecken Lively, who's written a new book about the government's

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Speaker 2: cover up of you or UFOs whatever they're calling them

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Speaker 2: these days, is coming up right after the top of

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Speaker 2: the hour on fifty five KRC the talk station.

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Speaker 1: Today's tough headlines coming up at Togo.

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Speaker 9: Violent crime every Day.

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Speaker 1: It is RUE fifty five KRC, the Talk Station.

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Speaker 2: Kent heck and Lively is a New York Times bestselling author, attorney,

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Speaker 2: science teacher, and now he's exposing deep state cover ups

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Speaker 2: in the explosive new book Catastrophic Disclosure. The Deep State,

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Speaker 2: Aliens and the Truth. It will be out next Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: on the eighteenth, and we're talking about it now. And

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Speaker 2: this coming on the heels of some pretty shocking congressional

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Speaker 2: hearing that happened in September, where to that point, never

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Speaker 2: before seen video showed a hellfire missile bouncing off of

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Speaker 2: a UFO off of Yemen's coast back in late October

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four and military whistleblowers testifying about retaliation

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Speaker 2: for reporting encounters with UFO's UAPs whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: call them. Again, this book will expose some government cover ups.

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Speaker 2: Why are they covering it up? What is being covered up?

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Speaker 2: And all of that yet to be fully answered. But Kent,

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Speaker 2: great to have you on this show. Welcome, How are you.

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Speaker 9: I'm doing great, all right?

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Speaker 2: So number one, have you always had an interest in

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Speaker 2: this particular subject?

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Speaker 10: I have, you know, I think like most of the public,

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Speaker 10: I always have. But I always always say it's been

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Speaker 10: a recreational interest.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: This is my twentieth book.

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Speaker 10: I've never done anything on the wild side like this,

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Speaker 10: anything paranori. So you know, I usually stick to science.

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Speaker 10: I usually stick to technology media. But like a lot

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Speaker 10: of the public, in the summer of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 10: when David Grush appeared in front of Congress and said

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Speaker 10: some rather remarkable things along with some other military people,

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Speaker 10: David Fraber, Ryan Graves. I said to myself, what is

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Speaker 10: going on? Because I know what it takes to testify

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Speaker 10: in front of Congress. You are thoroughly vetted before you

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Speaker 10: appear in front of Congress. So these were legitimate people.

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Speaker 10: They were making claims that sounded wild, But I thought

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Speaker 10: I needed to get to the bottom of this story.

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Speaker 10: And I was really fortunate that one of my good

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Speaker 10: friends is Michael Mazzola, who's probably the world's leading UFO

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Speaker 10: documentary filmmaker. So I called him up and I said, Michael,

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Speaker 10: what is going on with this story? And he said, Ken,

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Speaker 10: I'm really glad you asked me about that, because we're

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Speaker 10: hearing behind the scenes that while the military and intelligence

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Speaker 10: services want to do a controlled disclosure about UFOs, they're

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Speaker 10: worried about something called catastrophic disclosure. And I thought, well,

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Speaker 10: you know, I'm trained as an attorney, so you know,

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Speaker 10: you go to court, you raise your right hand, you say,

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Speaker 10: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and

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Speaker 10: nothing but the truth, and why is this subject different?

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Speaker 10: And he said, there's a lot that's happened behind the

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Speaker 10: scenes that they don't want to disclose.

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Speaker 9: And I thought, well, you.

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Speaker 10: Know, I've always got a nose for a good story,

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Speaker 10: and I thought, well, let me investigate, Congress, let me

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Speaker 10: talk to the leading experts in the field, people like

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Speaker 10: doctor Stephen Greer, people like Danny Sheehan, people like independent

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Speaker 10: journalist Michael Schollenberger.

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Speaker 6: And let me create a news story.

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Speaker 10: A reinterpretation of the UFO story in light of this

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Speaker 10: new information we've been learning.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've been fascinated with this, or many of us

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Speaker 2: for almost eighty years, going back to Roswell in nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty seven and the initial claim that the army that

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Speaker 2: a flying saucer had crashed out in the desert, and

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Speaker 2: then it was a weather balloon, and then there were

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Speaker 2: all kinds of stories that were either made up or

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Speaker 2: suppressed ever since. I mean, that kind of began the

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Speaker 2: nation's fascination with this that still exists to this day.

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Speaker 2: And while the news about UFOs or UAPs, whatever you

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Speaker 2: want to call them, has not dominated the news headlines

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Speaker 2: like it did in other eras, it's starting to again

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Speaker 2: and it all came to light in this congressional hearing

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Speaker 2: back back in September of this year, right yeah.

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Speaker 10: And so you know, one of the people who I

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Speaker 10: really got to know very well in the writing of

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Speaker 10: Catastrophic Disclosure is Congressman Eric Berlison, who released that video

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Speaker 10: of the hellfire and missile going after the UFO off

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Speaker 10: the coast of Yemen. And you know, Eric and I

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Speaker 10: kind of have the same sort of approach to these things,

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Speaker 10: which is, I can't tell you what's true, but we

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Speaker 10: really have a good sense of when people are lying

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Speaker 10: to us.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 10: And you know, I really had a good time writing

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Speaker 10: this book trying to tell the narrative of UFOs, because

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Speaker 10: there are certain parts of the UFO story which didn't

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Speaker 10: make sense to me. Like I understood how people were

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Speaker 10: saying that the explosion of the first atomic bomb created

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Speaker 10: an interest in our species by these aliens, But I

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Speaker 10: was wondering to myself, Okay, I don't understand the Roswells

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Speaker 10: the Roswell story, because we blew up the first atomic

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Speaker 10: bomb in July fifteenth of nineteen forty five, right, and

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Speaker 10: it takes till July of forty seven for these craft

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Speaker 10: to show up, and that led me to a great

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Speaker 10: book by Jacques Valat and Paula Harris. Now your audience

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Speaker 10: will know Jacques Valai is one of the leading UFO experts,

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Speaker 10: but he claimed that there was a UFO crash earlier

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Speaker 10: than Roswell, basically one month after the explosion of the

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Speaker 10: first atomic bomb. It's called the Trinity Incident, and they

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Speaker 10: were just the crash UFO was discovered by two young

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Speaker 10: boys on horseback. And parts of the Roswell story didn't

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Speaker 10: make sense to me because when you read Roswell, it

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Speaker 10: seems like the military knew what they were doing with

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Speaker 10: crash retrieval. And you know, I'm a big you know,

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Speaker 10: I'm very interested in like organizational behavior, like how do

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Speaker 10: organizations respond to things? And as I was reading, I

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Speaker 10: was like, they know what they're doing. And when I

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Speaker 10: looked at the Trinity Incident, it was very much like

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Speaker 10: you would expect.

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Speaker 9: This is the first time they knew what was going on.

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Speaker 10: And what's really interesting about when you look at it

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Speaker 10: through that frame is we're the Japanese surrendered on August fifteenth,

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Speaker 10: nineteen forty five, and so I'm putting my mind in

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Speaker 10: myself in the mind of a World War two general.

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Speaker 10: You know, you go to bed on the night of

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Speaker 10: August fifteenth saying, Okay, this.

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Speaker 9: Brutal four year war is over.

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Speaker 10: And the next day you're going to work and your

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Speaker 10: adjutant comes up and says, hey, sir, we had something

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Speaker 10: crash in New Mexico.

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 9: Nazi? Is it? Is it Japanese?

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Speaker 8: No, sir, it's none of those.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 10: Then kind of this cover up makes a lot of

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Speaker 10: sense to me because you're still in the World War

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Speaker 10: two mindset.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have all of these conspiracies that surround what

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Speaker 2: are alleged to be government cover up. So you can

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Speaker 2: go back, obviously to the jfk assassination, which still it

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Speaker 2: grips people to this day and people question the official story.

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Speaker 2: And the UFO story is no different because it's gone

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Speaker 2: on and on and on with millions of people seeing

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Speaker 2: things that cannot be explained. And then you've got these

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Speaker 2: military members and whistleblowers who are claiming that they've had

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Speaker 2: retaliation against them for coming forward with information that the

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Speaker 2: top brass doesn't want the public to see.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think that you're exactly right about that.

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Speaker 10: And like I say, I've never seen a UFO, no abduction.

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Speaker 9: Nothing like that.

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Speaker 10: But I can't talk about this subject with friends without like,

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Speaker 10: you know, one or two of them going, hey, I

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Speaker 10: had an incident, and you know, it's like, yeah, my

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Speaker 10: longtime editor, Max Swofford, I've been working with them for

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Speaker 10: eleven years, and saiday, I'm doing a UFO book Max,

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Speaker 10: you know, and he goes, oh, have I told you

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Speaker 10: about my UFO experience?

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Speaker 6: And it's like, this is.

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Speaker 10: Somebody I've known for fifteen twenty years and suddenly he's

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Speaker 10: talking about it. And I think all of us who

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Speaker 10: haven't seen anything have had the experience of people we

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Speaker 10: know and respect and trust telling us these stories, and

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Speaker 10: so we're curious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, the book is catastrophic disclosure the deep State

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Speaker 2: Aliens in the Truth. The author our guest Kent Heck

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Speaker 2: and Lively, and the book is out on Tuesday on

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Speaker 2: post Till Press. I wish you great success with the book, Kent,

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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on. Thanks lot carry you bet. We'll

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Speaker 2: continue in moments.

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Speaker 1: This is Ted Cruz. Join me Sunday night at seven pm.

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Speaker 10: On fifteen Highway Chuck Ingram on fifty five kr SE

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Speaker 10: the talk station.

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Speaker 2: It is nineteen minutes past the hour on this Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: Gary Jeffen for Brian Thomas, I'm fifty five to RCV

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Speaker 2: talk station to claim five nine fIF If you were

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Speaker 2: one of the people who accused Kroger in particular price

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Speaker 2: gouging during the scam demic, the COVID scam demic, maybe

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Speaker 2: it wasn't Kroger and you were shopping at Kroger, but

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Speaker 2: many people, especially at the height of the scam demic,

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Speaker 2: found it hard to get ahead of let us at Kroger. Uh.

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Speaker 2: This is a story, of course, said the former Kroger buyer.

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Speaker 2: Pleading guilty to produce kickback schemes. Forty year old Mark

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Speaker 2: dis Bennett from Westchester pleaded guilty to charges related to

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Speaker 2: a kickback scheme that caused consumers to pay high prices

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Speaker 2: higher prices for produce. This is how it worked. Was

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Speaker 2: trying to understand this. I think I finally got a

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Speaker 2: handle on it. He was accused of disclosing to co

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Speaker 2: conspirator produce vendors the absolute highest price Kroker was willing

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Speaker 2: to pay for certain produce, so they could jack up

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Speaker 2: up to that level, even though they could have made

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Speaker 2: a profit. At a lower level, but not that kind

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Speaker 2: of profit, and so the prices for consumers on certain

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Speaker 2: produce items skyrocketed and dispent it. According to what they discovered,

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Speaker 2: Dispenant received more than one hundred and forty seven thousand

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Speaker 2: in kickback payments from the vendors. Pretty ingenious. I wonder

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Speaker 2: who's behind the price hikes in beef. That is a

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Speaker 2: multi layered kind of reason for beef prices being so

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Speaker 2: darn But we know about the produce. Now, why has

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Speaker 2: that salary costing me three dollars? It was this dude,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Kroger. He was the third party buyer for Kroger. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know the ingenious thinking behind and inviting Ohio State

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Speaker 2: Highway Patrol into Cincinnati to help with law enforcement, mostly

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Speaker 2: traffic enforcement. It's paid off with twenty three felony arrests

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Speaker 2: so far since the middle of September. Yeah, that they

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Speaker 2: conducted five joint operations with Cincinnati police over five days,

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Speaker 2: had the helicopters up State troopers out in full force,

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Speaker 2: and they made twenty three felony arrests. When I heard

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Speaker 2: that they were going to be helping traffic enforcement in

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati to alleviate crime. I didn't know quite how that

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Speaker 2: if they're making almost two dozen felony arrests in five

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Speaker 2: days time in five different operations. The police union passed

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Speaker 2: to vote of no confidence in Mayor purevol who sadly

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Speaker 2: the citizens of Cincinnati gave him the vote of confidence

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Speaker 2: and the votes at the ballot box. Just a week

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Speaker 2: and a half ago, the police chief, Theresa Thiji, placed

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Speaker 2: on leave. There's an interim chief and according to sources

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Speaker 2: the CPD, the police department continues to struggle with staffing.

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Speaker 2: According to the police union president Ken Kober, the department

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Speaker 2: has nine hundred and ten officers right now. The authorized

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Speaker 2: compliment is oney fifty nine, so they're down fourteen percent.

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Speaker 2: So as part of the solution to this, Governor Downe

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Speaker 2: for two days to conduct these joint operations. Officials said

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Speaker 2: from the beginning that residents would not be seeing large

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Speaker 2: numbers of state troopers on the streets. Officials said they

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Speaker 2: target known to armed offenders. You know, and here's the

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Speaker 2: thing about the criminals, and if you ask a law

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Speaker 2: enforcement officer. You ask a cop, he will tell you.

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Speaker 2: We know exactly who's committing the crime. We've arrested them

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Speaker 2: to no avail many times because of the revolving doors

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Speaker 2: or in the criminal justice system and liberal judges. The

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Speaker 2: fact is this partnership was launched and they were going

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Speaker 2: to target known armed defenders, which wasn't that hard to

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Speaker 2: same crimes and different crimes, felonious, heinous crimes, over and

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Speaker 2: over and over again. The police know who they are.

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Speaker 2: Many cases, they know exactly where they are, and they

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Speaker 2: find themselves handcuffed for lack of a better term, to

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Speaker 2: So when they started this out, a memo related to

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Speaker 2: the partnership said there was a desire to focus on

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Speaker 2: large drug seizures, organized crime, drug trafficking, firearms trafficking, drug

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Speaker 2: related violent crimes. The Highway Patrol has not highlighted many

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Speaker 2: arrests to fit that description. So the Ohio State Highway

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Speaker 2: Patrol has reported twenty three felony arrest as the article mentions,

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Speaker 2: served seven felony warrants, which means they arrested seven people

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Speaker 2: who were committing crimes before prior crimes. Among those were

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Speaker 2: two juveniles, a thirteen year old who fled from police

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Speaker 2: in a stolen car and caused a crash, and a

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Speaker 2: fifteen year old found with a gun one of them.

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Speaker 2: The other the adults that were arrested pulled over for

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Speaker 2: traffic violation found to have two felony strangulation warrants. A

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Speaker 2: guy you don't want on the streets. Somebody who was

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Speaker 2: located using the Highway Patrols helicopter during an investigation into

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Speaker 2: the assault on a police officer. He's charged with assault

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Speaker 2: on an officer, robbery and resisting arrest. Somebody else who

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Speaker 2: has stopped for multiple traffic violations. The troopers said. He

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Speaker 2: was found with a weapon, charged with operating under the

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Speaker 2: influence and improperly handling the gun. And it goes on

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Speaker 2: and on and on. All the cases still working their

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Speaker 2: way through the courts, and we'll see what the ultimate

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Speaker 2: outcomes of those are. If proven guilty, are they going

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Speaker 2: to jail for any length of time. But it's the

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Speaker 2: same people over and over and over again. Most of

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Speaker 2: the time. Not a lot of newbies, except maybe the

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Speaker 2: thirteen year old and the fifteen year old, but they're

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Speaker 2: just in training, as they say, six twenty seven. Coming

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Speaker 2: up next Adam Hardage, who has written a new book

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Speaker 2: called The Alpha Blueprint on how to prepare the next

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Speaker 2: generation for the great wave of AI that's about to

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Speaker 2: sweep over all of us. As we continue this morning

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Speaker 2: on fifty five KOC the talk station, Adam Hartage is

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Speaker 2: joining us now. Adam is an ex CIA ops officer,

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Speaker 2: as I just mentioned, and has written a book called

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Speaker 2: The Alpha Blueprint. It is out now. It is selling well.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to know the real inner workings

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Speaker 2: of how our intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, led by

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Speaker 2: John Brennan, tried to totally take down a president and

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Speaker 2: the country and he's he I wouldn't say he knows

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Speaker 2: where the bodies are buried, but he knows who's had

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Speaker 2: their hands on the shovels Adam Hartage, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 9: I'm well sure, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Great here the Alpha blue Print. But what is the

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Speaker 2: gist of this tone sir?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so it is a father's guide to the next

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Speaker 11: generation on how to prepare them for entering a world

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Speaker 11: driven by AI, where it is almost impossible to discern

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Speaker 11: truth from fiction and where AI has an essence democratized

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Speaker 11: PhD level of intelligence worldwide for about twenty bucks a month.

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Speaker 11: So it's a guide for the next generation on how

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Speaker 11: to maintain their own individuality, to find their God given

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Speaker 11: purpose in life, and to stay relevant in a world

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Speaker 11: that's trying.

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Speaker 9: To make them a copy of a copy.

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Speaker 11: So it's a love letter from a father to the

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Speaker 11: next generation. And it's designed for families to step into

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Speaker 11: this most difficult conversation where parents are trying to figure

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Speaker 11: out how to guide their kids into a.

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Speaker 9: World where jobs are going.

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Speaker 11: To be going away faster then they can probably change

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Speaker 11: their college majors.

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Speaker 2: So, well, how does this tie in to what you

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Speaker 2: call the security state aristocracy?

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Speaker 11: And yeah, Well, so I look at the world through

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Speaker 11: a bit of a jaundice lens because I was a

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Speaker 11: military officer.

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Speaker 9: In the Global War on Terror era.

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Speaker 11: So I was I graduated from the Air Force Academy

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Speaker 11: in nineteen ninety seven and then as Air Force guide

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Speaker 11: and then I went over to the Army Special Forces

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Speaker 11: and then got picked up by the intelligence community to

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Speaker 11: go be a clandestine operations officer. And so I've served

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Speaker 11: in four Wars, and I've been around the world quite

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Speaker 11: a bit and I speak a few languages, and it's

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Speaker 11: really colored my perception of reality.

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Speaker 9: And the world.

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Speaker 11: And when I look at the emerging technology of AI.

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Speaker 9: It makes the ability.

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Speaker 11: To deceive people and to hide the truth very, very easy.

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Speaker 9: And so I'm trying to arm the next generation with.

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Speaker 11: The abilities to see through the lies and to come

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Speaker 11: up with some real practical steps that they can have

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Speaker 11: and that their parents can give them to maintain, you know,

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Speaker 11: sanity in a frankly.

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Speaker 9: Insane, upside down world. And this relates to the deep

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Speaker 9: state and.

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Speaker 11: To the to the greater security architecture that we've seen

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Speaker 11: around the world, because if you just look at the

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Speaker 11: lie that was COVID, and I'm not saying that COVID

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Speaker 11: was not an actual disease.

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Speaker 9: I'm not saying that it did not exist. What I'm

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Speaker 9: saying is.

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Speaker 11: The coordinated global response to the disease, to the pandemic

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Speaker 11: is what people should be paying attention to, because that

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Speaker 11: was a globally coordinated information operation simply designed to take

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Speaker 11: down a sitting president Well and.

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Speaker 2: And Well and Adam when they come out. And there

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Speaker 2: are alternate views of treatment and all of that is

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Speaker 2: censored and people are losing their medical practice. This is

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Speaker 2: because they're saying, you know, no, you shouldn't be. You

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be you know, innovating people at this rate, there

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Speaker 2: are other treatments besides just incarcerating people in hospital rooms

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Speaker 2: and letting them die and there. You know, there are

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Speaker 2: so many things about that whole period of time that

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Speaker 2: I railed against without the Afoor knowledge.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, let's talk about that, because at the time running

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Speaker 11: I was, I had actually been fired by the CIA

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Speaker 11: in twenty seventeen after Director Brennan came into the station

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Speaker 11: and basically told us that we didn't need to listen

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Speaker 11: to the incoming President Trump forty five. And I lost

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Speaker 11: my mind and raised holy hell about that because it's

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Speaker 11: a it's against the oath of office.

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Speaker 9: B it's unconstitutional. There's a whole lot of problems that

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Speaker 9: I had with it.

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Speaker 11: Any rate, I was kind of shown the door by

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Speaker 11: the agency that and for another thing about that had

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Speaker 11: to do with the very program that Director of National

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Speaker 11: Intelligence Tulcy Gabbert discussed at her confirmation hearing, which inquiring

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Speaker 11: minds want to know they can go back and watch

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Speaker 11: her confirmation hearing.

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Speaker 9: I know that we're limited on time, so I'll move on,

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Speaker 9: but I will say that.

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Speaker 11: So I started running a telehealth company in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 11: and when the pandemic hit.

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Speaker 9: We saw very quickly that they that the government was

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Speaker 9: forcibly removing.

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Speaker 11: Evidence and healthcare providers that were trying to provide known

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Speaker 11: therapeutic treatment that would that would either cure or correct

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Speaker 11: the disease that I mean, we're talking about the hydroxychloroquin

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Speaker 11: and ivermac no multi vitamins I had.

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Speaker 2: I had those healthcare professionals on the air at the time,

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Speaker 2: and thankfully I was allowed to, you know, have them

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Speaker 2: on disseminate that information. But it was roundly poo pooed

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01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: by all the establishment sources, and you know, I was

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: I was regarded by people I even worked with as

875
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Speaker 2: some kind of kook because I wasn't adhering to the narrative.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, listen to this, and that's I go into this

877
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 11: in the book a lot too, because I'm trying to

878
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 11: help kids figure out how to discern truth and understand

879
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 11: when they're.

880
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 9: Being manipulated and lied to. So check this out.

881
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 11: When I went on national news and I called the

882
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 11: pandemic for what it was, and I was immediately canceled.

883
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 11: Our company was ultimately destroyed. But I mean when I

884
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 11: say canceled, like we could not run ads on Google.

885
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 11: I was banned from Facebook, from Twitter, from Instagram. We

886
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 11: lost our corporate insurance, We lost all of our contracts

887
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Speaker 11: with the Defense Department, of which we had already won

888
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 11: a dozen contracts.

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Speaker 9: We lost them all. We lost our corporate insurance, we

890
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 9: lost the ability process credit cards twice, we.

891
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 11: Were deplatformed across every single thing. But the most amazing

892
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 11: part of it all was how reality could change faster

893
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 11: then we could even respond to it as a company.

894
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Speaker 9: And this was before the advent of AI. Right now,

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Speaker 9: we live in a.

896
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Speaker 11: World which is hyper hyper hyper informationally skewable, if you will.

897
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Speaker 9: And it's become very very difficult for people to even

898
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 9: know what is real or which way is up.

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Speaker 11: So that is why I wrote this book, The Alpha Blueprint,

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Speaker 11: and I highly recommend everyone get a copy of it,

901
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 11: because this is a conversation that every parent needs to

902
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 11: be having with their kids, like how are you what are.

903
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 8: You going to do?

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Speaker 1: Mom?

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Speaker 3: And dad?

906
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 9: You know, my daughter is ten years old, my son

907
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 9: is seven years old. What am I going to tell them?

908
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 11: Go get a fortune five hundred job and work for

909
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 11: thirty years and expect that Medicare and Social Security are going.

910
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Speaker 9: To be there for you.

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01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 11: I don't think that world exists anymore. And so since

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01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 11: AI is replacing jobs faster, then.

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Speaker 9: They can even create manuals to tell the robots what

914
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Speaker 9: to do.

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Speaker 11: People have to figure out how to find their divine

916
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 11: spark and how to really stay real in a world

917
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 11: that is trying to make anything but real.

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Speaker 2: Very scary stuff, and I'm glad that there's somebody out

919
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: there shining a light and warning people and letting people

920
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: know that there's another way. Adam Hartage is that guy.

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Speaker 2: The book is the Alpha Blueprint. It's out now, right, Adam.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's out and now it's on Amazon dot com.

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Speaker 11: And I want to give a shout out to General Flynn,

924
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Speaker 11: America's General mild boss, who was kind enough to write

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Speaker 11: the forward for the book and endorse it.

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Speaker 9: So if anybody's wondering about either the credibility of the

927
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 9: book or the.

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Speaker 11: Information that's in there, General Flynn should put their mind

929
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Speaker 11: at ease. So you know, I love God, I love America,

930
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Speaker 11: I love freedom and the truth. And that's what I

931
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Speaker 11: stand for and I will fight for it while I

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Speaker 11: have breath in my lungs.

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Speaker 2: Amen. Brother, thank you so much.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

935
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Speaker 2: And God bless God, bless you again. That's Adam Hartage.

936
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Speaker 2: The book The Alpha blue Print, something that you need

937
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Speaker 2: to look at and pass along to the next generation.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC.

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Speaker 2: I knew it was a bomb, the second nature. So

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Speaker 2: the question this morning is how is your Atlantic meridianal

941
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: overturning circulation or AMOC? And last time I checked, mine

942
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: was fine. But according to a new study published in

943
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Speaker 2: a journal known as the Communications Earth and Environment and

944
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Speaker 2: Apocalyptic Prediction, Yeah, here's another climate change is going to

945
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Speaker 2: end the Earth as we know it. A key Atlantic current,

946
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Speaker 2: the Gulf Stream, which is the actually the scientific name

947
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Speaker 2: is the Atlantic meridianal overturning circulation. I bet you fit

948
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Speaker 2: that into a sentence today. A key Atlantic current, the

949
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Speaker 2: Gulf Stream, could be pushed to the brink of collapse

950
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Speaker 2: within decades, ushering in a new ice age and dramatically

951
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Speaker 2: raising sea levels. How many times have we heard the

952
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Speaker 2: predictions of doom and gloom and dire environmental results because

953
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Speaker 2: of climate change. There was a collaboration between researchers at

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Speaker 2: the Institute of Oceanology in the Chinese Academy of Sciences

955
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Speaker 2: and the University of California, San Diego, and the current

956
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Speaker 2: it includes the Gulf Stream runs from the Gulf of

957
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Speaker 2: Mexico to the US East Coast and across the Atlantic

958
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Speaker 2: to Europe. This study or this research says that the

959
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Speaker 2: source of this marine temperature regulator, the Greenland Ice Sheet,

960
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Speaker 2: is being thought amid warming temperatures, causing meltwater runoff to

961
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Speaker 2: lead or leach into the North Atlantic, leading to stagnation.

962
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Speaker 2: And if none of this is alarming you yet, well

963
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Speaker 2: you've learned, haven't you.

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Speaker 5: You.

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Speaker 2: We have all been through the wood chipper of climate

966
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Speaker 2: alarmism so many times. It's the boy who cried wolf syndrome,

967
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Speaker 2: and most of us who have any sense at all

968
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Speaker 2: aren't listening anymore because there's always flawed data. It's either

969
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Speaker 2: going to be boiling or we're going to go into

970
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Speaker 2: a new ice age. They've been making these wild predictions

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Speaker 2: ever since the early nineteen seventies when we were headed

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Speaker 2: for a new ice age, and then it was all

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Speaker 2: about gloom of warming, and they had certain certain years

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Speaker 2: this was gonna happen within the next twelve years. If

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Speaker 2: we don't, even if we do something drastic, this is

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Speaker 2: gonna happen by twenty twenty or twenty ten or nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy five. It's just it's such a joke, and it

978
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Speaker 2: all revolves around the paid for claim that man's activity

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Speaker 2: and fossil fuels are fueling climate change. What has always

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Speaker 2: happened on this earth And some of the people who

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Speaker 2: are still falling for this nonsense will tell you, yeah,

982
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Speaker 2: but it's never happened this fast. Really, what about the

983
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Speaker 2: mini ice age in the seventeen hundreds. It happened pretty fast.

984
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Speaker 2: So apparently there's a distinctive temperature fingerprint, according to this study,

985
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Speaker 2: located between three two and eighty to over a mile

986
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Speaker 2: six fifty sixty sixty five sixty feet below the ocean's surface.

987
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 2: So anyway, the AMOC, the Atlantic Ma Dianal overturning circulation

988
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: is changing and we all need to put up windmills.

989
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: Whoever is paying for this is dictating the data and

990
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: the computer modeling that spits out the false data. Most

991
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: of us have learned to ignore, but this is the latest.

992
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Speaker 2: Just so you know, I'm worried that my amok has

993
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Speaker 2: run amock six forty eight fifty five KRC the talk station.

994
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Speaker 2: This is the time of the year most of us

995
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Speaker 2: are checking off. There is this report out and this

996
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: is not new information. Apparently I didn't notice the story

997
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 2: last year. For the second straight year, about one in

998
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Speaker 2: five Americans said they would like to leave the US

999
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Speaker 2: and move permanently to another country if they could. In

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, the year of Our Lord, forty percent

1001
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Speaker 2: of women age fifteen to forty four said they would

1002
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Speaker 2: move abroad permanently if they had the opportunity, four times

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Speaker 2: higher than the ten percent who shared this desire eleven

1004
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Speaker 2: years ago in twenty fourteen, which shod that was usually

1005
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Speaker 2: in line with other age and gender groups. I have

1006
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Speaker 2: never had the desire to go to another country, and

1007
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Speaker 2: as a result, as a matter of fact, I've never

1008
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Speaker 2: been to another country. I mean, there are places I'd

1009
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Speaker 2: like to see, but you know, I watched the Travel

1010
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: Channel when they don't have some stupid paranormal thing on,

1011
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 2: you know, so I can travel vicariously. Loved watching Anthony

1012
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 2: Bourdain and is no reservations going to distant lands, eating

1013
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: exotic food, and seeing the sights of a beautiful beach

1014
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 2: or a volcano or whatever he was visiting at the time.

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Speaker 2: That's about the extent of my travelogue. I like the

1016
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Speaker 2: good old us of a But apparently there's been a

1017
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Speaker 2: sharp rise, especially in younger women wanting to leave the

1018
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Speaker 2: United States. And I'm going to say something that not

1019
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: going to get me in trouble at my age, because

1020
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Speaker 2: I mean, unless it's a daughter or a granddaughter, I

1021
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Speaker 2: have no interest in younger women. My wife is listening,

1022
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Speaker 2: she'll be glad to know this. And she is a

1023
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Speaker 2: younger woman. I mean she's not fifteen to forty four,

1024
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Speaker 2: but she's younger than me. That's as young as I

1025
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Speaker 2: need to get right there. So I mean, if a

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Speaker 2: bunch of gen Z women left the country, the result,

1027
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 2: the effect for me would be the same thing as

1028
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: Rosie O'Donnell leaving the country or or whomever sizza. I mean,

1029
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Speaker 2: if they want to go, go, but if they think

1030
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Speaker 2: that there's a place that's better on the globe for

1031
01:12:54,479 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 2: personal aspiration, for opportunity, for happiness, well they've been misled

1032
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Speaker 2: by tik Tok and Taylor Swift. That's all I got

1033
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Speaker 2: to say about that. It's six fifty five. Coming up

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Speaker 2: after the news break, we'll have Tom Caldwell. Tom Caldwell

1035
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Speaker 2: is a January sixth survivor. No, he wasn't part of

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Speaker 2: the DC Metropolice or in Congress, and know he did

1037
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Speaker 2: not commit any violent acts and yet still spent fifty

1038
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Speaker 2: days in solitary confinement and his life was ruined all

1039
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: because he was a supporter of President Trump. His story

1040
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Speaker 2: slightly varies from other people who are arrested at the

1041
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 2: Capitol that day, and he will tell a portion of

1042
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Speaker 2: it and plug his book right after seven o'clock Gary

1043
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Speaker 2: Jeff Walker and for Brian Thomas at six fifty six

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Speaker 2: at fifty five KRC, the talk station.

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Speaker 1: Today's top headlines coming up at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 2: It's a conversation with the decorated Navy Lieutenant Commander Thomas E.

1047
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: Called Well, a man in his sixties, disabled VET living

1048
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Speaker 2: peacefully on his Virginia farm when the FBI executed a

1049
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 2: pre don swat raid. What were the charges against Tom

1050
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 2: called Well? That he was a leader of the oath

1051
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 2: keepers who stormed the Capitol and hunted down members of

1052
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Speaker 2: Congress on January sixth. Tom was never a member of

1053
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Speaker 2: the oath Keepers. He never entered the Capitol, he never

1054
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 2: planned an attack. The government has admitted in the aftermath

1055
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Speaker 2: of all of this that this didn't happen, but not

1056
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Speaker 2: before Tom spent over fifty days in solitary confinement endeared

1057
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Speaker 2: e years of prosecution and persecution. He has a book

1058
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Speaker 2: he says he started writing it the day he got

1059
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Speaker 2: out of solitary confinement, called The Mouths of the Wicked,

1060
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Speaker 2: a true January sixth story of corruption, persecution, survival and victory.

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Speaker 2: It is out now and we have its author. Lieutenant Commander.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Nightcap.

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Speaker 6: How are you, Thank you, mister Walker. It's a pleasure

1064
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 6: to be with you and Sharon and I here in

1065
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 6: our humble place in the valley of Virginia. Are just

1066
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 6: fine and dandy, all right?

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Speaker 2: Oh, first and foremost, what did you think about your

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Speaker 2: governor's race that just concluded?

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm disappointing here in Virginia. And if people look

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Speaker 6: at a map of Virginia, they'll see so much of

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Speaker 6: this beautiful state is solidly conservative and Christian conservative. Accept

1072
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Speaker 6: in places where you would expect a concentration of people

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Speaker 6: on the grift and on the government goal in Fairfax,

1074
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 6: all church right across the Potomac from DC. This is

1075
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Speaker 6: a it's a rough time because the incoming governor has

1076
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Speaker 6: made it clear that she's anti gun, she's pro abortion,

1077
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Speaker 6: she's anti women's rights, pro men in little girl's locker rooms.

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Speaker 6: It seems like the devil has the people by the

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Speaker 6: throat in Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are still living in that world. We're living

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Speaker 2: in a fallen world, but we know how it ends ultimately,

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01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 2: and that's the positive thing that we can grab a

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01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 2: hold of.

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01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 6: Correct Indeed, indeed, and I'll tell you, as you well

1085
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 6: know and your listeners will be interested to know, my

1086
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 6: story is very different the story of any other January

1087
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 6: sixth defendant that you've ever heard from. Even if people

1088
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 6: think that they know something about my case because they

1089
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 6: did a Google search, I can tell you that all

1090
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 6: they have seen is stuff that is totally false, invented

1091
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 6: by the prosecutors, and most of the time blown away

1092
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 6: during a ten and a half week jury trial that

1093
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 6: I was subjected to. In the book, I talk about

1094
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 6: things that have been actively kept away from the American public.

1095
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 6: As you pointed out, I didn't do anything on January sixth.

1096
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 6: In fact, my wife and I were together every moment

1097
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 6: of the day. We went only to hear President Trump

1098
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 6: give his last address, and also to hear a myriad

1099
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 6: of other conservative and Christian speakers who were scheduled to

1100
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 6: appear that day and talk to the crowd. The FBI

1101
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 6: did zero investigation on me before they sent the SWAT

1102
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 6: team here. And when Sharon was able to get a

1103
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 6: lawyer who wanted to help a January sixth defendant, after

1104
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 6: she came up with a six figure retainer for the guy,

1105
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 6: and I'm looking at him through bulletproof last in my

1106
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 6: solitary confinement dungeon chain handed book. He looked at me

1107
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 6: and he said, you know, Tom, the DOJ knows you're innocent,

1108
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,759
Speaker 6: but they don't care. Now that's chilling.

1109
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 2: How do you think you got on this list of theirs? Tom?

1110
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 6: I am a member of the Oath Keepers, who, as

1111
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 6: you are well aware, are not a white supremacist group.

1112
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 6: They are a community activist group that helps in times

1113
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 6: of natural disasters. During the summer of twenty twenty, they

1114
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 6: came to start doing some security work for conservative and

1115
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 6: Christian speakers who are being attacked by Antifa, especially in Washington, DC.

1116
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 6: Most of the oath Keepers are veterans, of course, and

1117
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 6: I met one, actually, a young lady who had served

1118
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 6: with a Ranger battalion in the Sandbox in Afghanistan, the

1119
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 6: kind of person I have a lot of respect for,

1120
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 6: and being an old guy, and I said, you know

1121
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 6: what it says at Romans twelve, we're supposed to practice hospitality.

1122
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 6: If you ever get broken down in DC, give a call.

1123
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 6: Our farm is not that far away. And she walked

1124
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 6: away with my phone phone number in her phone and

1125
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 6: my first name, but she couldn't even remember my last name.

1126
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 6: That's how casual our meeting had been. But she remembered,

1127
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 6: and she did what many veterans do. They refer to

1128
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 6: each other by the rank that they held on active duties.

1129
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 6: So sure enough, in her phone, the listing became Commander

1130
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 6: Tom because I was a lieutenant commander.

1131
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 7: In the NAB.

1132
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 6: When they they flashbanged her apartment a week or so

1133
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 6: after January sixth, only because she was a member of

1134
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 6: the Oathkeepers, they scooped up her phone and mister Walker

1135
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 6: within two hours of getting her phone, an FBI special

1136
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 6: agent had a Federal judge's signature on a warrant for

1137
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 6: my arrest as Commander Tom, the commander of the oath

1138
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 6: keepers and the mastermind of January sixth.

1139
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 2: You were a lieutenant commander in the navy. But because

1140
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,679
Speaker 2: she wrote Commander Tom, apparently you're the one who's who's

1141
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 2: making all the calls and planning whatever that they concocted,

1142
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 2: that they dreamed up or they lied about. What did

1143
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: the FBI tell you, if anything, on the morning of

1144
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: the swat rate on your farm? What did they say?

1145
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 6: Well, I submitted to a three hour interrogation. Some would

1146
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 6: call it a gestapo grilling because I didn't have anything

1147
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 6: to hide, and during that time they accused me of

1148
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 6: doing this and that. And yet they had scraped all

1149
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 6: of the pictures that I had taken off, you know,

1150
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 6: on January sixth. They were all on my phone. My

1151
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 6: wife and I took over two hundred photos, sometimes crowd shots,

1152
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 6: sometimes selfies, videos, and we went through them and they

1153
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 6: were accusing me of all this twaddle, and I said,

1154
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 6: can you show me any violence here? Can you show

1155
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 6: what part of the day are you talking about. It

1156
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 6: got to the point where they knew they had made

1157
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 6: a mistake. And they were busy, and they were texting

1158
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 6: the Department of Justice saying and what do he want

1159
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 6: us to do with this guy? But the Department of

1160
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 6: Justice was still hard over. One of the things that

1161
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 6: really bugged me during that interrogation was to find that

1162
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 6: the hatred for veterans, of course I did almost twenty

1163
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,799
Speaker 6: years day per day on active duty in the Naty,

1164
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 6: was palpable. They said, well, you know, you military people,

1165
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 6: you just kill people. You're just a violent bunch of people.

1166
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,759
Speaker 6: Then they got into the well, I guess you're sorry

1167
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 6: that you supported President Trump. Now, huh. All of this

1168
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 6: stuff is recorded in the transcripts of the video that

1169
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 6: they surreptitiously took of my three hour interrogation. I'm telling you,

1170
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 6: there's so much stuff here in this book, mister Walker.

1171
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 6: People are going to say, what are.

1172
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 7: You kidding me?

1173
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 6: And I will tell you this is not a woe

1174
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 6: is Knee story, and it's not a revenge story. But

1175
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 6: I wanted to share my wife and my story and

1176
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 6: what I hope readers will finally be a compelling a

1177
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 6: first person style. I think people sometimes do read books

1178
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 6: nowadays if they're different and there's a real story and

1179
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. As an intelligence officer by trade

1180
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 6: and training, you better know that I bring the receipts

1181
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 6: and I expose a multi agency plot. There's intrigues, fear, pain,

1182
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 6: courtroom stuff, stuff will make you laugh out loud, and

1183
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 6: miracles provided by the Lord. Because in the final analysis,

1184
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 6: during this entire time in this country, justice is just us.

1185
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: Tom Caldwell, if you will indulge me, I'm going to

1186
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: take a quick break and come back and just a

1187
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 2: few more questions I had. The book is The Mouths

1188
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: of the Wicked, a true January sixth story of corruption, persecution,

1189
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: survival and victory. The author is a veteran Navy Lieutenant

1190
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 2: Commander Tom Caldwell, who was terribly mistreated by people in

1191
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 2: a rogue justice system in this country. That was, obviously

1192
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: and the most telling thing you just said, Tom, was

1193
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: I bet you're glad, I bet you're you're sorry now

1194
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 2: that you supported Donald Trump, because that's what it was

1195
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: all about. We'll take a break and come right back

1196
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 2: more with Tom Caldwell.

1197
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 4: Next fifty five KRC King fifty.

1198
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: Five KRC the talk station.

1199
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,759
Speaker 8: I hear the train of coming, it's rolling around Apin

1200
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,520
Speaker 8: and I seen the sunshine.

1201
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: Since I don't know where I'm stuck in pulls in

1202
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: prisons and time keeps dragging on, but that train keeps

1203
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: the rolling.

1204
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 2: Talking to Navy Lieutenant Tom Caldwell, author of The Mouths

1205
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 2: of the Wicked, the True January sixth Story. His January

1206
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 2: sixth story of how he was lied about false charges

1207
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 2: put him in solitary confinement for fifty days before he

1208
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 2: was finally exonerated after much expense and time taken away

1209
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: from his life for no reason. Tom, I've heard others

1210
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 2: horror stories about the dc gulag and being placed in

1211
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:32,520
Speaker 2: solitary confinement. Give us a thumbnail sketch on your incarceration.

1212
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 6: I was not taken to what they call the DCG

1213
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 6: but I was taken to probably the nastiest prison in

1214
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 6: the state of Virginia. It's called the Central Virginia Regional

1215
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 6: Jail in a little town that sounds nice, Orange, Virginia.

1216
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 6: And from the time I got in there, I was

1217
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 6: selected for special handling, and my world became sleeping on

1218
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 6: a concrete floor with icy cold air blown on me

1219
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 6: all the time. Four solid walls, free concrete and one

1220
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 6: a solid steel door, and that was my world, and

1221
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 6: in there, just like in the outer limits, they controlled

1222
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,759
Speaker 6: the horizontal and the vertical, so they had the ability

1223
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 6: to manipulate me with sound and screams and flashing lights

1224
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 6: and of course the favorite of darkness when they turn

1225
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 6: out the lights four days at the time.

1226
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 8: It's really really tough.

1227
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 6: I think, long enough timeline, everybody's sanity might go to

1228
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 6: zero in a situation like that where your only actual contact,

1229
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 6: physical contact with people is a physical beating. For worse.

1230
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 6: The prouty in the prison is just part of the story,

1231
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 6: but it's an awful It was an awful part of

1232
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 6: the story.

1233
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: Were you denied legal assistance at the first time.

1234
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 7: Yes.

1235
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 6: The judge at my first bail hearing, which was a farce,

1236
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 6: ask me, quite blank how much money you have in

1237
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 6: the bank and I said, I don't know. I might

1238
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 6: have a couple thousand dollars. She says, oh, that's enough.

1239
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 6: You go get an attorney. But the problem is when

1240
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 6: you're in solitary, how do you get an attorney. My wife,

1241
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 6: while I was going through hell, was going through her

1242
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 6: own help. She was trying to come up with the

1243
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 6: money to find an attorney to get her husband out

1244
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 6: and she knew this is a good situation for us.

1245
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 6: Maybe not every other January sixth or had this situation,

1246
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 6: but she knew I was in She didn't have to

1247
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 6: be convinced because we were together in lockstep that entire

1248
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 6: day and did nothing wrong. So she was trying as

1249
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 6: hard as she could to save her man, knowing that

1250
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 6: this was going to be a long, long battle against

1251
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 6: these people. And even when I got out, the dirty

1252
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 6: tricks kept coming, and they did their best to drive

1253
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 6: us into bankruptcy. And my wife is a wonderful, wonderful lady,

1254
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 6: and she said, you know what, there are a lot

1255
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 6: of people that are taking plea deals. You and I

1256
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 6: both know you're not going to do that, because you

1257
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 6: don't swear to something you didn't do, and we don't.

1258
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 6: She said, I don't if we lose everything we have,

1259
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 6: which we pick came close to but we didn't, or

1260
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 6: we have to live in the back of a car,

1261
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 6: which we also didn't, Thank goodness. But she says, we're

1262
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 6: going to find a hammer and tong all the way,

1263
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 6: and that's what we did. It's only recently that I've

1264
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,480
Speaker 6: been able to talk about this because of the restrictions

1265
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 6: that were put on me by the government, and even

1266
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 6: with President Trump's personal pardon for me, not on the

1267
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 6: day where he pardoned so many, but it came after

1268
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 6: that when they really looked at what had been done

1269
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 6: to me, not that there's going to be any recourse

1270
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 6: and he pardoned me. You know, there's not any real restoration.

1271
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 6: I am forever marred with the modern day equivalent of

1272
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 6: the Scarlett letter J six. So my reputation is ruined.

1273
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 6: But you know what, I'm free. I've had a lot

1274
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 6: of time to think about this. I've chosen my words

1275
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 6: carefully and they're here in the book, and there's stuff

1276
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:00,320
Speaker 6: like you have never hurt.

1277
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: I cannot believe that there's no recourse for you to

1278
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 2: sue them, to uh be be compensated for your lost time,

1279
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 2: the ruination of your reputation, like you said, being tarred

1280
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 2: and feathered and being left with that scarlet letter of

1281
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:24,799
Speaker 2: J six on you. Uh. I just there's something that's

1282
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 2: just so unjust about it, even from true even from that,

1283
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 2: even from that standpoint, it's obviously all unjust, all false,

1284
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 2: all made up. But there's an unjustness in the fact

1285
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:40,520
Speaker 2: that you haven't been made a whold.

1286
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 6: Tom well, that's true, and you know, I knew that

1287
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 6: when this book came out, I was opening myself up

1288
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 6: and that's true. The same the same lies that still

1289
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 6: exists out there on the internet are just being recycled

1290
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:57,480
Speaker 6: and thrown at me things that we disproved.

1291
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 8: And that's okay.

1292
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 6: Uh, it was in important to tell the story. Some

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 6: people would say, hey, you dodge the bullet. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 6: I did, But shouldn't I shine a flashlight in the

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Speaker 6: face of a gunman so that people would know what happened.

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Speaker 6: But in terms of being restored, the law says that

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Speaker 6: the prosecutors at the Department of Justice are the members

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Speaker 6: of the judiciary, all of the judges that heard these cases,

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Speaker 6: including mine in the DC circuit. They all operate under

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Speaker 6: a thing called absolute immunity, which is codified into law,

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Speaker 6: and that means they cannot be sued, so they can

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Speaker 6: lie and cheat and steal and falsify evidence like they

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Speaker 6: did in my case on suborn perjury, which they did,

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01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 6: and participate in witness tampering and every dirty trick you

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01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 6: can imagine, including having my Social Security stopped, having my

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01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 6: military medical benefits stop, and by extension, my wife's too.

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01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 6: Everything they could do to try to get me to

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01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 6: come and sign a piece of paper. These are things

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01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 6: that are going to be exposed when people read the book.

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Speaker 6: But you know that's the law. That stuff's been out

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01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 6: there for a long long time. Most people like you

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01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 6: and I were never exposed to the inner workings, the

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01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 6: dirty part of the lawfair and the weaponization. So now

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01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 6: we can put a real face on it. I want

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Speaker 6: to stay in my lane. I don't talk about everybody

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01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 6: else's chase at length, but when you see what we've

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01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 6: got documented, you're just going to want to tear your

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Speaker 6: hair out. And the laws that exist to protect these

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01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 6: people to do whatever they want to do for political gain,

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01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 6: for professional gain, and monetary gain, well those things need

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Speaker 6: to change. But I don't know how you and I

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Speaker 6: go about doing that, mister Walker.

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Speaker 2: Well, at least it's being exposed to the sunlight of

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01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: your book and conversations like this one. Again, there are

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Speaker 2: some who insist on due process, for example, for illegal

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01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:03,480
Speaker 2: immigrants like Abrigo Garcia accused of of, you know, human trafficking,

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Speaker 2: and there's evidence to that, and people with known criminal backgrounds,

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01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 2: people with multiple not only charges but convictions, and the

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01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 2: question remains is where was Tom Caldwell's due process?

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Speaker 6: You know, my wife Sharon and I we we sit

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01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 6: here sometimes and we don't we don't hang on every

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Speaker 6: word or on the newscasts in the evening. We have

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01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:28,799
Speaker 6: other things to do. Sure, but we'll we'll see something

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01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 6: like what you just mentioned, and she'lter to me and

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01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 6: she'll say, where where was Where were your rights? Where

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01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 6: was your due process? Why did why didn't you get

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01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 6: Chris van Holland to come and take you out for

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01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 6: margaritea those kinds of things, And it's just, you know,

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01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 6: we just kind of get a right smile and I

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01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 6: laugh together, as a loving husband and wife will tend

1341
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 6: to do. But I'll tell you what, there's no way

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01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 6: that we could have gotten through this without our Lord

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01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 6: and Savior Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Amen.

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Speaker 6: I hope that we make a strong enough statement about

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01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 6: that in the books. The miracles that came out during

1347
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 6: the story that kept me from going back into prison,

1348
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,840
Speaker 6: possibly for life. Your listeners need to know. They wanted

1349
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 6: to put me in prison for the rest of my life.

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01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 6: It is charged me with felonies.

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, The Mouths of the Wicked, The True January

1352
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 2: sixth story of Corruption, Persecution, survival and victory. It is

1353
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 2: out now. The author Tom Caldwell. I am so glad

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01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 2: you're a freeman and I hope maybe this book will

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01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: go some ways to making your life better, Tom, when

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01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 2: people read your story and they understand. Thank you again

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Speaker 2: for your time, sir.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much. If people do want to

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01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 6: find the book and want to find out what really happened,

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Speaker 6: you can find the book at Puffin Publishers dot com.

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Speaker 6: That's Puffin like the Seabird pu f fi N Publishers

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Speaker 6: dot com. And I think you'll be surprised.

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Speaker 2: Very well. God blessed.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much of the time.

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Speaker 2: God bless you, Tom Caldwell. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC.

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Speaker 2: The talk station A minute of hope is brought to

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Speaker 2: you by the lenders. Here see the talk station from

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01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: a January sixth survivor Tom Caldwell to a survivor so

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Speaker 2: far in the fourth District in Northern Kentucky. My Congressman

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Speaker 2: Thomas Massey joins us for a few minutes on this

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Speaker 2: Friday as a favor to me, and I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Congressman Massey, how are we this morning.

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Speaker 12: We're doing good. I've had my first cup of coffee

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Speaker 12: and I'm ready to go at it.

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Speaker 2: All right, So my first question is, are you glad

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Speaker 2: that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats took some heat off you?

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01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 2: Because they're all calling it the Schumer and the Democrat

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01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 2: has shut down of the government, and I've not heard

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01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 2: your name mentioned as a nay vote on the CR

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Speaker 2: or anything else.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, they called it the Schumer shutdown. I

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01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:08,759
Speaker 12: called it the Epstein recess because Congress. You know, normally

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01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 12: when the government shuts down, Congress is in session working

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01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 12: on the solution. But for six weeks we've been in recess.

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01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 12: And the net effect of that recess was to delay

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01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 12: the swearing in of the two hundred and eighteenth signature

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01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 12: that I needed to force a vote on releasing the

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Speaker 12: Epstein files.

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Speaker 8: But to your but.

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Speaker 12: Before we switched to that, I want to address your point. Yes,

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Speaker 12: I did not vote for the Continuing Resolution that kicks

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Speaker 12: the canda January. And I'll tell you why. What happened

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01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 12: was ridiculous on both parts, on both parties, the Republicans

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01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 12: and the Democrats. I feel like it was a fake

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01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:57,480
Speaker 12: fight over nothing. The Republicans opening offer back in September,

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Speaker 12: which they held for the same position for six weeks

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Speaker 12: and just voted for, was Joe Biden's budget. The Republicans said, here,

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Speaker 12: let's just do a continuing resolution. Now, a continuing resolution

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Speaker 12: means you do the same thing this year, any per penny,

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01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 12: dollar for dollar that you did last year. So the

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Speaker 12: Republicans said, let's do Joe Biden's budget this year, and

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01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 12: the Democrats said, no, we want more. And so that's

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01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 12: what the fight was over over the as far as

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Speaker 12: the funding goes for the last six weeks. And so

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01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 12: what I think you can take away that you know,

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Speaker 12: reporters have asked me, what can Republicans take away from

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01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:42,040
Speaker 12: this six week fight? I said, well, you can take

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01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 12: away that if your opening offer is Joe Biden's budget,

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01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 12: that you can win a shutdown fight with the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Well, and by the way, there was one very onerous

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01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 12: provision added to this continuing resolution, and that was a

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Speaker 12: ban on certain hemp derivatives, certain hemp products. And I

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01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 12: think although there probably needs to be regulation on the

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01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 12: hemp products that are psychoactive, that should be done at

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01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 12: the state level. And even if you wanted to do

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Speaker 12: it at the federal level. There was way to do

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01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 12: it without banning everything and destroying an entire industry in Kentucky,

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01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 12: which is what I'm afraid this bill will do. They

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Speaker 12: added that into the Continuing Resolution, a ban on certain

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Speaker 12: HMP products.

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Speaker 2: You know what taught about that, Thomas, is that hemp

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Speaker 2: from the very foundations of this country was it was

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Speaker 2: a It was a prime agricultural product. I mean, George

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01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 2: Washington grew hemp. The founding fathers, many of them who

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01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 2: were who were farming anyway, we're growing hemp, and it

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01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 2: was a vital part of their whole portfolio. And and

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01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 2: then there's this move afoot to stamp hemp out of

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01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 2: the of the legal framework of the economy. Do you

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01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 2: find that odd? I do?

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Speaker 12: I do find it odd. And you know for people

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01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 12: I'm running for reelection that but people say, well, what

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01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 12: have you gotten done? Well, one of the things I

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01:37:22,040 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 12: got done in twenty thirteen, and this came out in

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01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 12: the twenty fourteen Farm Bill, was still legalized industrial hemp.

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01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 12: And that was an amendment to the Farm Bill that

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Speaker 12: I offered with Jared Polis and Earl Blumenauer, and it

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01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 12: got passed, it made it into the Farm Bill, and

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01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,759
Speaker 12: they started We started growing hemp in Kentucky in twenty

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Speaker 12: fourteen for the first time, you know, in maybe fifty

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Speaker 12: or sixty years.

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Speaker 7: Since it was banned.

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Speaker 12: But they expanded that program in I think it was

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01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 12: twenty eighteen whenever the next Farm Bill came up. And

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01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 12: then there werercial products that were psychoactive that were derived

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01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 12: from HIM Delta nine and other things and people. You know,

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01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 12: they've been abused, I do believe, but states have stepped

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01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 12: in and started regulating that, and I don't think we

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01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 12: needed this total ban which was implemented here in this

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01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:19,240
Speaker 12: continuing resolution.

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01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 2: What did you think of Agriculture Secretary brook Rollins claim

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01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 2: that says twenty nine states uncovered nearly two hundred thousand

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01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 2: people with dead people's Social Security numbers, and then twenty

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01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 2: one states are suing to keep their data hidden. I

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01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 2: think one of the most telling things for me and

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01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: a lot of other people with the government shutdown is

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01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 2: when we found out that one in eight Americans are

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01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 2: receiving Snap benefits forty two million people. I thought that

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01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 2: was absurdly high. What do you think about.

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Speaker 12: That, Well, it's a lot higher in some Kentucky counties.

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Speaker 12: I asked a couple of years ago, I asked the

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Speaker 12: owner of a grocery store here in Lewis County what

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01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 12: percent of their revenue with food stamps? And they told

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01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 12: me forty percent? And I was shocked. Forty percent, not

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01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 12: fourteen four zero percent the revenue was from EBT cards.

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01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 12: You know, I think there are the people who need

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01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 12: what the program stands for, supplemental nutrition assistance program. Maybe

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01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 12: I do need another cup of coffee. I need some

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01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 12: supplemental caffeine to get those words out. But you know,

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01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 12: we don't normally say what these acronyms stand for. But

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Speaker 12: that's what SNAP stands.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I have always been a proponent that we shouldn't be

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01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:53,839
Speaker 12: funding sugary drinks in SNAP that SNAP stands for supplemental nutrition.

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01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 12: I don't think high fructose corn syrup is supplemental nutrition,

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01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 12: and I do think it does lead to an obesity problem.

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01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 12: So that then shows up on Medicaid and Medicare in

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01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 12: some circumstances, So we should take that off the menu.

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01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 2: Well, there's no reason for anyone in this country to starve,

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01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 2: not with the abundance that we do have on the

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01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 2: other hand, anytime there is a government program, especially at

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01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 2: the federal level, and it is handing out things, whether

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01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 2: it be food or medicine or healthcare or you know,

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01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:50,839
Speaker 2: child tax credits, basically there is going to be massive fraud.

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01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 2: Do you find that that's the case.

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01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:58,839
Speaker 12: And to address your first question there about brook rawlins

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Speaker 12: and covering so many accounts that were fraudulently receiving dead

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Speaker 12: people the SNAP program.

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Speaker 7: Here's the thing.

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01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:14,640
Speaker 12: The states and even the grocery store lobby are not

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01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 12: interested in ferreting out that fraud because that's money that,

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01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 12: even though it may be fraudulent, it's filtering into those states,

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01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 12: and it's filtering into their economy, and it's filtering into

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01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 12: those grocery stores. They don't want the fraud taken out

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01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 12: of the program, but we should. Taxpayer should want it

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01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 12: taken out, and anybody that relies on food stamps that

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01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 12: needs them should want the fraud taken out as well.

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Speaker 2: One one quick thing, Congressman Massey, can you stand by

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01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 2: for another Can you get another cup of coffee and

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01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 2: stick around for a few more minutes?

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01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 12: Absolutely, I want to talk about this Epstein resolution in

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01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 12: the past next week.

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Speaker 2: The first thing The thing I want to the thing

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01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 2: I want to ask you real quick before we go

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Speaker 2: to break, is do you find a continuance of the

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Speaker 2: Biden budget less heinous than than adding another one and

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Speaker 2: a half trillion dollars as the Democrats.

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Speaker 12: One, Yes, it's a lot less heinous than that. But

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Speaker 12: let me tell you something. They added two hundred billion

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Speaker 12: dollars above Joe Biden's budget in the reconciliation Bill, so

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Speaker 12: that it's really not just Joe Biden's budget. It's Joe

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Speaker 12: Biden's budget plus another one hundred to two hundred billion

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Speaker 12: dollars a year for the next three years.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thomas Massey, our guest for the next few minutes,

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Speaker 2: my congressman in Northern Kentucky, and we'll be right back

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Speaker 2: on fifty five KRCV talk station. We've got a double

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Speaker 2: Jack Bottler face seven forty two on a Friday morning,

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Speaker 2: Gary jeffn for Brian Thomas and our guest once again,

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Speaker 2: Congressman Thomas Massey from the fourth District in Northern Kentucky

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Speaker 2: where I live. And one thing I have all was appreciated, Thomas,

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01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 2: is that you go your own way when it something

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01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 2: does not meet your standards or your values. You're not

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Speaker 2: a rubber stamp or a s man for any political party,

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01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 2: but you consider yourself to be working for the people

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Speaker 2: of your district, which is I think the concept that

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01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people in Congress are missing, since many

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01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:36,320
Speaker 2: of them don't even live in the districts where there

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Speaker 2: are not from the districts that they're serving supposedly as

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Speaker 2: working for. And of course you've drawn the ire of

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Speaker 2: President Trump, and they're trying to primary you, going to

1533
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 2: primary you in the upcoming primary elections in twenty six

1534
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 2: you are running again for that seat, and I will

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Speaker 2: vote for you again, even though I don't agree with

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Speaker 2: every stance you take. I don't agree with every stance

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01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 2: President Trump has, and I think that you should vote

1538
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 2: your conscience and your values, and you you do that.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the things I really appreciate about you,

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01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: is your authenticity in that regard.

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Speaker 12: Well, don't give me too much credit. I vote with

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01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 12: the party ninety one percent of the time. I know,

1543
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 12: you know, they say they call me mister no, and

1544
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 12: they say never votes with us. I vote with the

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01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,760
Speaker 12: Republican Party, which means I vote with Trump ninety one

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01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:37,560
Speaker 12: percent of the time. What they're upset about is the

1547
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 12: nine percent that I don't vote with them. Yeah, but

1548
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 12: in that case, they're starting wars abroad. They're not cutting spending,

1549
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 12: they're spending us into oblivion. And in the most recent example,

1550
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:54,560
Speaker 12: they're trying to keep the Epstein file secret. And this

1551
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 12: has been an effort that I have been on for months.

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01:44:58,040 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 6: I talked about it years ago.

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Speaker 12: Some people say, oh, he didn't care about it until

1554
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:03,799
Speaker 12: Trump was president.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 12: I cared about it when Joe Biden was president, and

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01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 12: I started really caring about it when the FBI director,

1558
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 12: the assistant FBI director, the attorney general, the vice president.

1559
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:18,679
Speaker 12: They all flipped one hundred and eighty degrees, including the president,

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Speaker 12: And instead of releasing the files, they're trying to keep

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01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 12: the file secret. They might, you know, and they you know,

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01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 12: they'll claim privately they're trying to avoid embarrassment for some

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01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:35,880
Speaker 12: of the President's friends, and they'll say that privately, they

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01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 12: won't say that publicly. But I don't think embarrassment is

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01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 12: a good reason. Like saving somebody from embarrassment is a

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01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 12: good reason to protect dozens of men who prayed on

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Speaker 12: underage women in a sex trafficking operation.

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Speaker 2: No, I agree with you that wholeheartedly. I would say

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01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden had four years to do it and didn't.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats didn't want these released either until President Trump

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01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,479
Speaker 2: was in office, because I thought there were some little

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01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 2: morsels that they could fire at the president. Uh And

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01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 2: and they've tried to do that again with the twenty

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01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 2: thousand or whatever emails, and three mentioned Trump's name. But

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Speaker 2: they don't. Yeah, they don't. They do not. They do

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Speaker 2: not indicate any kind of wrongdoing by President Trump.

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Speaker 12: No, I don't see any wrongdoing in those emails. In fact,

1578
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 12: if you read them a certain way, they may exonerate him.

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Speaker 12: It looks like from those emails that perhaps Epstein and

1580
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:50,240
Speaker 12: Maxwell were suspicious of Trump that he might inform on them.

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01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 12: That's the way I read those emails. And there and

1582
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 12: there'll be me more to come out. But I don't

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01:46:57,200 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 12: think we should protect the billionaires who are named in there.

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Speaker 7: Either way.

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Speaker 12: I find this really interesting.

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01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 7: I am.

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01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 6: I have led this.

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01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 12: Effort, and by the way, we succeeded this week in

1589
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 12: forcing the House vote. That vote will probably happen next week.

1590
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 12: But I've led that effort, and in return, I've got

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01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 12: three billionaires who are coming after me to try to

1592
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 12: get me unelected. And one of them is in the

1593
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 12: previously released Epstein's Black Book. Now that's not a list

1594
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 12: of guilty people, but it's a list. It's Epstein's personal

1595
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,519
Speaker 12: phone book that he kept that had personal cell numbers

1596
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:40,800
Speaker 12: and contacts in it. And so one of these billionaires

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Speaker 12: was in the Epstein I call it the Epstein class,

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01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:47,360
Speaker 12: the class of people. This is not class warfare. If

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01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 12: you became a billionaire by working hard, you know, good

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01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 12: for you in capitalism. But if you're using that money

1601
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 12: and expect to have certain privileges that don't you know,

1602
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,759
Speaker 12: as far as is breaking the law, that don't extend

1603
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 12: to every American. And I'm sorry you're part of the

1604
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 12: Epstein class. Well, if you're, and that's who's you know,

1605
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 12: funding the the attack ads.

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01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 7: On me that some people have seen.

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01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 2: Regardless of how you made your money, Thomas, if you're

1608
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 2: illegally using your status to cause harm and commit sexual

1609
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 2: crimes against underage people, you have no class in my opinion, right,

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01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:36,280
Speaker 2: that's I mean.

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01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 12: That is obvious, I think on his face. But you know,

1612
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 12: this week, this week was one of the biggest breakthroughs

1613
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:48,600
Speaker 12: ever people, you know, when they ask, what have you

1614
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 12: gotten done? I just did something that's only been done

1615
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 12: maybe twenty times in the history of our country. I

1616
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 12: got a bill to the floor over the objections of

1617
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,160
Speaker 12: the Speaker of the House, House and the chairman of

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01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 12: the committees. It's called a discharge petition. It's a parliamentary

1619
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 12: procedure that's been in place over one hundred years, where

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01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 12: if you can get two hundred and eighteen signatures, you

1621
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,639
Speaker 12: can bypass the Speaker, and you can bypass the committee chairman,

1622
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 12: and you can bring a bill straight to the floor

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01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 12: of the House. Well, I just got the two hundred

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01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 12: and eighteen signature. And you know what happened on that

1625
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 12: day when the two hundred and eighteen signature was getting

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01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 12: sworn into Congress, the President, the FBI Director, and the

1627
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 12: Attorney General were all and the Speaker himself. We're still

1628
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:38,280
Speaker 12: trying to get people to take their signatures off of

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01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 12: my petition. They took Warren Bobert over. She went willingly,

1630
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 12: but she went to the situation room at the White

1631
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 12: House where they tried to convince her to take her

1632
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 12: name off of my petition so that we would never

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01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 12: get to to eighteen. And God bless her for staying strong.

1634
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 12: She did not cave or crumble or yield. And so

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01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 12: it was only because of Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Green,

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01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 12: Lauren Bobert. Those were my three co signers that put

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01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 12: this Republican co signers that put this petition over the top.

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Speaker 2: So you say that privately, privately, administration officials and these

1639
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 2: people who are are balking at releasing this information that

1640
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 2: we were promised, are doing so because Donald Trump thinks

1641
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 2: it would be bad for business, because it might embarrass

1642
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 2: people that are friends of his or he has plans

1643
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:39,759
Speaker 2: for business.

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Speaker 12: Well, in fact, I won't just put on administration, I

1645
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 12: would say, and I can't prove this because this was

1646
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 12: in a conversation, but Donald Trump himself has said that

1647
01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 12: the release the f Steam files are going to hurt

1648
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 12: his friends in West Palm Beach, and I may have

1649
01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 12: just made news there. And uh, but here's the thing.

1650
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 12: I think it's not just gonna implicate them, some of

1651
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 12: his billionaire friends and donors. I think it's going to

1652
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 12: implicate our own intelligence agencies. And then I can also

1653
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 12: tell you that on the day we were the day

1654
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 12: before we got the two hundred and eighteen signature. It

1655
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 12: was this massive effort by the White House to get

1656
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 12: my co signers to take their names off the petition.

1657
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 12: They told one of my co signers, we can't let

1658
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 12: Massey have a win. Is that crazy? Like the pettiness

1659
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,679
Speaker 12: of that they are And there they have full blown

1660
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 12: Massy derangement syndrome. The political you know, uh chattering bunch

1661
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:53,000
Speaker 12: there at the White House that surround the President. They

1662
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 12: don't want the victims to get justice, They don't want

1663
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 12: Americans to have transparency because they didn't want Massey to

1664
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 12: have a win. Well, guess what we won anyway, and

1665
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 12: we won for the victims and the survivors. And we're

1666
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 12: going to have this vote when we go back next week,

1667
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 12: and that's going to be a very important vote for

1668
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 12: a lot of congressmen. I'll give a shout out to

1669
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 12: Warren Davidson there in Ohio. He's in the i think

1670
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 12: the listening area. He's representatives there north of Cincinnati. He

1671
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:26,599
Speaker 12: said he's going to vote for it, and I think

1672
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 12: really everybody should vote for it because the promise over

1673
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 12: at to White House. Now they're handing out Trump endorsements

1674
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 12: like their pens, candy and they're saying, here, you take

1675
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 12: this Trump endorsement, you be against releasing the Epstein files,

1676
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 12: and we will protect you in your primary and we'll

1677
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 12: come camp. The President will come campaign for you and

1678
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 12: help you raise money. But don't release those Epstein files. Well,

1679
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 12: you know, in twenty twenty eight and twenty thirty, especially

1680
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 12: in twenty five, the President's not going to be able

1681
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:03,960
Speaker 12: to help people who took a bad vote to cover

1682
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 12: up for pedophiles. So I would remind my colleagues your

1683
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 12: voting record is going to outlast this presidency, so be

1684
01:53:12,080 --> 01:53:14,920
Speaker 12: very careful next week when you vote on whether to

1685
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 12: release the Epstein files or not.

1686
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 2: Thomas Massey, thank you so much for your time, very generous.

1687
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:23,760
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And keep doing what you're doing.

1688
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 12: Man, all right, I'm starting it up. Thanks Gary, Jeff Oh.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman Thomas Massey. This morning, it's seven fifty

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Speaker 2: the Old West. We probably should have lined up so

1718
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 2: we could have him do his own bumper music to

1719
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:31,360
Speaker 2: fit the topic. Brothers of the Gun, the lives of

1720
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 2: those two men mentioned, Wide Erp and Doc Holliday, those

1721
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 2: of course our famous names in the history of this

1722
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:45,240
Speaker 2: country in the Old West for the you know, the

1723
01:55:45,320 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 2: fight at the Ok Corral, the gunfight there. And one

1724
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 2: was a part time lawman, the other a part time dentist,

1725
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,080
Speaker 2: and they were Brothers of the Gun. Now, to talk

1726
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 2: about the book a little bit, and why you should

1727
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a history buffer, American history buff,

1728
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 2: you got to have this, Mark Lee Gardner, Welcome to

1729
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:04,080
Speaker 2: the show.

1730
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks, Gary, happy to talk to you.

1731
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:12,440
Speaker 2: Now. You're an award winning musician and you specialize in

1732
01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 2: the music of Old West. That struck me right away.

1733
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 2: What kind of instruments do you play, Mark, I'm.

1734
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:25,480
Speaker 5: Playing mostly the banjo, the five string banjo, and you

1735
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,960
Speaker 5: know the banjo's that actually goes hundreds of years back

1736
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 5: to Africa, starts out as an African instrument. But I

1737
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 5: became fascinated by the music of the nineteenth century West,

1738
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:38,040
Speaker 5: and there was a lot of banjo in the nineteenth

1739
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 5: century West.

1740
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 2: Yes, there was this here was do you have any

1741
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,840
Speaker 2: modern day banjo players that you kind of revere and

1742
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 2: look up to, because there's a lot of good ones.

1743
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:53,360
Speaker 5: I'd say you my hero was Earl Scruggs. He's no

1744
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 5: longer with us, but he developed the scrug style picking.

1745
01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 5: But you know, the historic banjo. When I started learning

1746
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 5: the history of it, scrunk style starts in the nineteen forties,

1747
01:57:03,680 --> 01:57:06,120
Speaker 5: and I was wanting stuff in the eighteen forties, and

1748
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 5: that's actually an African playing style. People still playing the

1749
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 5: dance called clawhammer or frailing. So I tend to lean

1750
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 5: towards the older playing styles on the banjo.

1751
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 2: Well, you see the guys by the campfire being depicted,

1752
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 2: you know, in these romatic ways, and there's the stars

1753
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 2: and the campfire and the dogies are retiring, as they say,

1754
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 2: and they're picking guitars. But guitars weren't really that prominent

1755
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 2: back in the eighteen fifties, were they.

1756
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, I mean there were guitars, but it

1757
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:41,520
Speaker 5: wasn't They didn't have the boom really until the early

1758
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 5: twentieth century, the nineteen twenties, and of course that's also

1759
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,680
Speaker 5: the birth of the film industry, so it made sense

1760
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,879
Speaker 5: that you're singing cowboys are going to be playing guitars.

1761
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:52,800
Speaker 5: But if you're if they had a movie in the

1762
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,600
Speaker 5: eighteen seventies, the Singing Cowboys would have had a banjo.

1763
01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:03,360
Speaker 2: White Urb and Doc Holiday. They are eternally fascinating when

1764
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:06,520
Speaker 2: people think about the American West and the Old West.

1765
01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:11,720
Speaker 2: What do you think sets those two particular characters apart?

1766
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:17,879
Speaker 2: That always provides people with a lot of just they're

1767
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:19,880
Speaker 2: almost spellbound when they hear those names.

1768
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,320
Speaker 5: Well, you know, a big part of that, Gary is

1769
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 5: is that gunfight in Tombstone, Arizona. I mean, that's where

1770
01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:32,440
Speaker 5: they've become legendary. But also it's every movie or TV

1771
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 5: show that deals with these you know that has Wider

1772
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:36,480
Speaker 5: b and Doc Holliday.

1773
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:37,880
Speaker 8: They tell us that.

1774
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 5: They're friends, but they don't really tell us why they're

1775
01:58:41,760 --> 01:58:45,680
Speaker 5: friends or how they became friends, but they are, you know,

1776
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:49,720
Speaker 5: they are anchored in the American imagination is the most

1777
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:53,000
Speaker 5: famous friendship. And it really starts because they're side by

1778
01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 5: side with White's brothers at the OK Corral. But it

1779
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 5: goes much deeper than that, which is what I talk

1780
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,280
Speaker 5: about in the book, was.

1781
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:05,320
Speaker 2: Was what happened at the OK Corral.

1782
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 3: Was well, what.

1783
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 5: Happens is and and this is why it's one of

1784
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 5: the biggest stories in American history. Is it's that it's

1785
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:18,360
Speaker 5: that classic clash. What has come down to is between

1786
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:22,200
Speaker 5: good and bad. And you've got the you know, Wider

1787
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:26,320
Speaker 5: and Virgil and Doc and Morgan representing the law going

1788
01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 5: up against the crustler element called.

1789
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 2: The cowboys, the Clinton's and all of that, and the Macaris. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1790
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:39,920
Speaker 2: what what kind of a lawman was white? If you

1791
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 2: broke broke it down?

1792
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:47,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was an exceptional lawman. The irony is he

1793
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:50,480
Speaker 5: was only a lawman a very short time. But in

1794
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:54,520
Speaker 5: cowtown's like Wichita and Dodge City, where he really made

1795
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:58,560
Speaker 5: his mark, he was considered, you know, if not the

1796
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 5: best among the best. And one of his primary jobs

1797
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 5: as a lawman was essentially disarming unruly cowboys, drunken cowboys

1798
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:11,000
Speaker 5: because all these boottails Gary, they had anti gun laws.

1799
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:14,160
Speaker 5: You couldn't carry a gun on the streets. And so

1800
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:16,400
Speaker 5: the lawman, like Erth and others.

1801
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:20,360
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Well, now see that's gonna shock a lot

1802
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:24,520
Speaker 2: of people, myself included, because apparently I've not read enough.

1803
02:00:24,640 --> 02:00:27,400
Speaker 2: I've not read your book yet, and don't know enough

1804
02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 2: about the history of the Old West, but it seems

1805
02:00:29,960 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 2: so odd to me that they had gun control laws,

1806
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 2: which most of us Second Amendment people who are fans

1807
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:40,840
Speaker 2: of the Second amendmen call them people control laws. Right,

1808
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 2: And you have this idea of a wide open Old

1809
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:49,160
Speaker 2: West where everybody had a gun, and not true.

1810
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:53,200
Speaker 5: Everybody, most everybody had a gun. But if you're going

1811
02:00:53,240 --> 02:00:56,960
Speaker 5: into those cowtowns, there were city ordinances that prevented you

1812
02:00:57,080 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 5: from carrying a weapon. And in fact, that was one

1813
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:04,400
Speaker 5: of the precursors of the Okay Corral gunfight. The Earths

1814
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 5: were going to meet the cowboys to disarm them because

1815
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 5: they were breaking the law. So yes, there were all

1816
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:13,200
Speaker 5: kinds of anti gun laws in the Old West.

1817
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 2: What did Hollywood get right in telling the story of

1818
02:01:18,520 --> 02:01:22,560
Speaker 2: the ok Corral shootout? And then what did they get wrong?

1819
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:28,720
Speaker 5: Well, it's mostly wrong. So yeah, it's mostly wrong, I mean,

1820
02:01:28,840 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 5: and it varies. But Gary, I mean, I'm not I

1821
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:37,080
Speaker 5: don't get too upset about Hollywood. I mean, it's another reality.

1822
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:38,800
Speaker 5: You know, it's not history.

1823
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:41,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what they what they get right?

1824
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 5: You know, thers they were brothers. Morgan was assassinated the

1825
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:49,880
Speaker 5: cowboys were rustlers, but a lot of times, even the

1826
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:53,600
Speaker 5: fight itself, you know, it happened in a lot that

1827
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:57,840
Speaker 5: was like fifteen feet wide. Wow, very narrow space. In

1828
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:00,600
Speaker 5: most movies it's really you know, the running all over

1829
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 5: the place.

1830
02:02:01,160 --> 02:02:04,200
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a wide open it's a wide open expanse,

1831
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,800
Speaker 2: you know, and they're exactly and they're shooting around the

1832
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:10,360
Speaker 2: corners of buildings. You say the space was fifteen feet.

1833
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:13,920
Speaker 5: Yes, according to some accounts. And it wasn't even at

1834
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,360
Speaker 5: the OK Corral. That's a big myths. It was in

1835
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:18,760
Speaker 5: a lot that was behind the OK Corral.

1836
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:25,800
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, okay, what what was doc Holiday like and

1837
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:29,440
Speaker 2: what was he a successful dentist? What was dentistry like

1838
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,839
Speaker 2: in the in the eighteen fifties, eighteen sixties, eighteen seventies.

1839
02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 5: Well, he actually went to the best dental school in

1840
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 5: the country was in Philadelphia and got a degree in

1841
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:45,960
Speaker 5: dental surgery. And his first place where he was a

1842
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:49,240
Speaker 5: professional dentist or when he had a partner in Dallas,

1843
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 5: they actually won awards at the local fair for their dentistry.

1844
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:57,400
Speaker 5: So he was an accomplished dentist. The problem was he

1845
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 5: was also a gambling addict and to bat masters, and

1846
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:02,800
Speaker 5: if you wanted an appointment, you'd have to go to

1847
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:06,600
Speaker 5: the gambling mall. He was rarely in his office. And

1848
02:03:06,720 --> 02:03:09,840
Speaker 5: then he also he drank a lot, and that may

1849
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:13,200
Speaker 5: have been self medication for his tuberculosis. He had tuberculosis,

1850
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:17,280
Speaker 5: so he was ill, and when he drank he could

1851
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:23,280
Speaker 5: get violent and me and and unpredictable. So it wasn't

1852
02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:26,040
Speaker 5: He didn't stay in the ditches very long. He became

1853
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:27,080
Speaker 5: a professional gambler.

1854
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:31,080
Speaker 2: Brothers of the Gun is the book. Mark Lee Gardner

1855
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:33,080
Speaker 2: is our guest. Mark, Can you hang for one more

1856
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:34,480
Speaker 2: quick segment or do you need to go?

1857
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:35,560
Speaker 5: You bet?

1858
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:39,640
Speaker 2: You bet? All right, we'll talk more about Doc Holliday

1859
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:42,600
Speaker 2: and Wyatt erb and the real stories and their real

1860
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:47,760
Speaker 2: friendship and the book that Mark is touting. Who did

1861
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,600
Speaker 2: he did all the research? He knows. It's eight fifteen

1862
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 2: and fifty five KRCV talk station. Winter is coming and

1863
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:57,760
Speaker 2: that cold wind isn't Just all right, We're talking with

1864
02:03:58,160 --> 02:04:02,800
Speaker 2: Mark Lee Gardner the book Brothers of the Gun, about

1865
02:04:02,840 --> 02:04:07,720
Speaker 2: White Urb and Doc Holiday, the good, bad and ugly

1866
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:13,520
Speaker 2: of the two infamous friends who were at the oh

1867
02:04:13,640 --> 02:04:15,800
Speaker 2: Well in the lot behind the Ok Corral. I just

1868
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:23,840
Speaker 2: found out this morning. So your research process mark into this.

1869
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to gather information before

1870
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:31,680
Speaker 2: you could even write the book? Or were you writing

1871
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 2: as you were going and doing where? Where did you

1872
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 2: find this information that heretofore wasn't available to just the

1873
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:42,200
Speaker 2: casual reader of American history?

1874
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:45,440
Speaker 5: Sure? Well, I took a couple of years just to

1875
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:49,480
Speaker 5: research before I started writing. And I went all over

1876
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:54,240
Speaker 5: the country looking at manuscript materials. You know, White Earth's

1877
02:04:54,440 --> 02:04:58,520
Speaker 5: first person narrative that he dictated is in the Tombstone

1878
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:02,400
Speaker 5: Courthouse State Park in tunesdone Arizona, and I made copies

1879
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,800
Speaker 5: started out as a photostatic copy, and I made copies

1880
02:05:05,880 --> 02:05:08,320
Speaker 5: of that and went to San Marino, California, to the

1881
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:12,000
Speaker 5: Huntington Library where an early biographer all his papers were

1882
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 5: Arizona Historical Society. You know. My thing is Gary, is

1883
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 5: that I do primary resource research. I don't just read

1884
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:22,760
Speaker 5: other books. I want to look at the actual documents. Yeah,

1885
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:24,240
Speaker 5: and do my own research.

1886
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:27,320
Speaker 2: All right, So, I mean you were going through newspaper

1887
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:30,720
Speaker 2: records and court records exactly, yes.

1888
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:31,200
Speaker 5: And.

1889
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:33,960
Speaker 2: Letters and diaries.

1890
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:38,360
Speaker 5: Yes. One of the great yeah, I mean, okay, Corral

1891
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:42,000
Speaker 5: was there was a hearing that was held afterwards with

1892
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 5: thirty witnesses that gave testimony lasted a month, so we

1893
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:48,120
Speaker 5: have a lot of information on the gunfight itself.

1894
02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 2: All right, People certainly lived different lives then. We didn't

1895
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:01,400
Speaker 2: have the technology that we have today, and there are

1896
02:06:01,480 --> 02:06:04,000
Speaker 2: some of us who who clamor to go back to

1897
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 2: a less connected, less on the grid kind of life.

1898
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 2: What was life like at the time of White RP

1899
02:06:11,240 --> 02:06:15,280
Speaker 2: and Doc Holiday for most people? How hard scrabble was it?

1900
02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:19,400
Speaker 5: Yeah? It was well in the towns, that's the thing

1901
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:24,000
Speaker 5: out you know, where somebody's farming in a sawbuster or something. Yeah,

1902
02:06:24,080 --> 02:06:26,760
Speaker 5: it's it's rough. It's hard scrabble. But you know, the

1903
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 5: lives of Whyte and Doc were always in towns and

1904
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:33,400
Speaker 5: booming towns of that. So, you know, places like Tombstone

1905
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:37,400
Speaker 5: you could get oysters, I mean, the finest champagnes and wines.

1906
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 5: You know, there was money there, so they had money

1907
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 5: to bring things in. So it was actually a pretty

1908
02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:45,920
Speaker 5: darn good life in the cities. You know, the gambling

1909
02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:50,280
Speaker 5: halls had Brussels carpet and paintings and in the latest newspapers,

1910
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:52,080
Speaker 5: so it was a pretty nice life if you were

1911
02:06:52,120 --> 02:06:54,320
Speaker 5: in town right right.

1912
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:58,280
Speaker 2: I think today there's an effort by a lot of

1913
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:01,520
Speaker 2: people to move out of the towns because life isn't

1914
02:07:02,240 --> 02:07:05,720
Speaker 2: life isn't quite as idyllic today as maybe it was

1915
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:10,680
Speaker 2: in the Old West. How did they stray outside the law,

1916
02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:13,040
Speaker 2: the law man and the dentist.

1917
02:07:14,280 --> 02:07:17,360
Speaker 5: That's they did that a lot. I mean, especially why

1918
02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:21,960
Speaker 5: it's youth and he you know, he didn't want this known,

1919
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:25,280
Speaker 5: of course, but at one point he operated a brothel

1920
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:30,120
Speaker 5: on a boat in the river. His wives were almost

1921
02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:34,760
Speaker 5: three of them, were all former prostitutes. And of course

1922
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:37,480
Speaker 5: Whyatt was a gambler as well. He was arrested once

1923
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:40,560
Speaker 5: for stealing the horse as a young man. So he

1924
02:07:40,720 --> 02:07:43,200
Speaker 5: had a dark past that a lot of people don't

1925
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:43,680
Speaker 5: know about.

1926
02:07:45,200 --> 02:07:48,840
Speaker 2: Huh. Well, I mean you said that Doc hung out

1927
02:07:49,000 --> 02:07:54,000
Speaker 2: in brothels a lot and was a gambler. Yes, did

1928
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Speaker 2: he incur a lot of gambling debts in his time?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, we don't really know that information. There's one

1930
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Speaker 5: famous debt, and it's really sad. It's towards the end

1931
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Speaker 5: of his life, and he owed a man five dollars,

1932
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Speaker 5: which wouldn't seem like that much, and they got in

1933
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Speaker 5: the gunfight over it. But he was penniless when he

1934
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Speaker 5: died in glynn Wood Springs from his tuberculusis at age

1935
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Speaker 5: thirty six.

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Speaker 2: Thirty six years old? Now how old did how long

1937
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Speaker 2: did whyitet Earth live?

1938
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Speaker 5: Wyatt live for another forty years. He lived to the

1939
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Speaker 5: age of eighty. He died in nineteen twenty nine. His

1940
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Speaker 5: pallbears included Tom Mix movie Star.

1941
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Speaker 2: And Williams Heart How about that?

1942
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Speaker 5: How about that as he got to see his legend,

1943
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Speaker 5: he got to live to see his legend doc Halla,

1944
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Speaker 5: They didn't?

1945
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what did he do in the latter

1946
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Speaker 2: years of his life? Wyatt?

1947
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Speaker 5: Whyatt Earth eked out in existence. He was also broke,

1948
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Speaker 5: and he had a little mind called the happy day

1949
02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 5: mind that he would spend summers grinding out, you know,

1950
02:08:59,480 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 5: trying to get some war and make a little living.

1951
02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:05,520
Speaker 5: But one of his biggest things he did was trying

1952
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Speaker 5: to get his story told and writing it down. And

1953
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Speaker 5: his hope was that they would make money because everybody

1954
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Speaker 5: else was making the money off of his story.

1955
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Speaker 2: And he felt he should make some money off Oh heck, yeah, yeah,

1956
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Speaker 2: he should have had you around as a ghostwriter. I

1957
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Speaker 2: bet you would have loved that.

1958
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Speaker 5: I would have loved that. Yeah, I would have liked

1959
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Speaker 5: a nun Wider if he was that interesting individual.

1960
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Speaker 2: Are you working on any new projects.

1961
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Speaker 8: Mark, Yes.

1962
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Speaker 5: My current book project is the story of Jesse and

1963
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Speaker 5: Frank James during the Civil War as bushwhackers.

1964
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Speaker 2: There you go, So this is this is before the

1965
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Speaker 2: crime spree, right.

1966
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Speaker 8: Exactly, but it led to it.

1967
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Speaker 5: It's how it led to that crime spree.

1968
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to keep touch and when you have

1969
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Speaker 2: that one ready in a couple of years or whatever, Oh,

1970
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Speaker 2: definitely we'll discuss that. Mark Lee Gardner is the man.

1971
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Speaker 2: The book is Brothers of the Gun about White RP

1972
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Speaker 2: and Doc Holiday. Thank you so much for your time,

1973
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Speaker 2: very very interested.

1974
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Speaker 5: In this now, Thank you, Gary.

1975
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Speaker 2: I enjoyed it all right, you bet. We continued doctor David,

1976
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Speaker 2: Matt Gary Jeffan for Brian on this Friday morning on

1977
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Speaker 2: fifty five KRC. As much as America has always been

1978
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:27,440
Speaker 2: fascinated about the subjects of our last previous segment, White

1979
02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:33,320
Speaker 2: ERP and Doc Holiday, the assassination of JFK dominates the

1980
02:10:33,400 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 2: American psyche to this day, sixty three years later. Who

1981
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:45,080
Speaker 2: did it? What happened? What really happened? Our guest in

1982
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Speaker 2: this half hour is a doctor PhD. David Mantick spent

1983
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:58,840
Speaker 2: many years in private practice. He's out in the in

1984
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:04,880
Speaker 2: the Palm Deayara in California. He became a parapatetic radiation oncologist,

1985
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:09,320
Speaker 2: currently licensed in eight states. Also worked in Hawaii, New Zealand.

1986
02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:12,760
Speaker 2: In his spare time, David Mantick does research and writes

1987
02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:16,880
Speaker 2: about the JFK assassination and has made some amazing discoveries

1988
02:11:17,200 --> 02:11:23,680
Speaker 2: that heretofore have not been made by anybody else. He

1989
02:11:23,720 --> 02:11:26,320
Speaker 2: spent nine full days at the National Archives to view

1990
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:30,000
Speaker 2: and perform measurements on the JFK autopsy, X rays, the

1991
02:11:30,120 --> 02:11:36,240
Speaker 2: photographs from the autopsy, his clothing, ballistic artifacts. We now

1992
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:38,320
Speaker 2: know that the War and Commission was not very interested

1993
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:42,280
Speaker 2: in the truth, but that indifference still seems to afflect

1994
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:47,800
Speaker 2: Washington d C. Even here in twenty twenty five. He

1995
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:50,640
Speaker 2: is a co author of the book The Final Analysis

1996
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Speaker 2: with doctor Jerome Corsi, another one of my favorite people

1997
02:11:54,720 --> 02:12:02,280
Speaker 2: on the planet. I love Jerry. Also, doctor Mann has written,

1998
02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:06,160
Speaker 2: among other things, JFK was killed by Consensus, and now

1999
02:12:06,200 --> 02:12:10,240
Speaker 2: he joins us this morning for a conversation about the

2000
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Speaker 2: latest book JFK. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

2001
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Speaker 2: The final Analysis, Doctor David Mannick, good morning, and thank

2002
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Speaker 2: you for joining us so early.

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Speaker 7: Here a bok others it's dark and it's five thirty

2004
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Speaker 7: in the morning. Well half away.

2005
02:12:30,280 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 2: Well I know. And when our friend Eric set this

2006
02:12:33,720 --> 02:12:37,440
Speaker 2: interview up for me, I said, well, I'm on till

2007
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Speaker 2: nine o'clock eastern. Can we get him to squeeze in

2008
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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit at eight thirty. This was the

2009
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Speaker 2: last stop for me today. So I really do appreciate

2010
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Speaker 2: you volunteering to get up this early to plug And now,

2011
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Speaker 2: how many books about JFK have you written, doctor Mannick?

2012
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Speaker 7: Well, three in my name, but I'd contributed to many

2013
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Speaker 7: other ones going all the way back to nineteen ninety eight.

2014
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Speaker 2: Okay, what is your particular fascination with this piece of

2015
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:17,120
Speaker 2: American history? Is it the fact that the official sources

2016
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:20,040
Speaker 2: still won't come clean with it. Is it the fact

2017
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Speaker 2: that there have been so many conspiracy theories surrounded about

2018
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Speaker 2: who actually did it, who orchestrated it, and why it happened.

2019
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of questions out there. Is

2020
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Speaker 2: it just curiosity or is this something else that drives

2021
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Speaker 2: you to continue to study the assassination of President John Kennedy.

2022
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Speaker 5: When Oliver Stones movie came out around nineteen ninety, I

2023
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:49,640
Speaker 5: was hoping we would get.

2024
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Speaker 7: A clear cut answer to these questions. Who killed JFK,

2025
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Speaker 7: Who pulled the triggers? Why did they do this? That's

2026
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Speaker 7: what my recent book is all about. Those are the

2027
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Speaker 7: questions I addressed. But in the nineteen nineties, these questions

2028
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Speaker 7: were not answered, and I actually became quite angry at

2029
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Speaker 7: the historians for failing us. We the American public needed

2030
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:20,520
Speaker 7: to know what was going on in this case, and

2031
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:24,240
Speaker 7: they absolutely let us down. So I was furious. I

2032
02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:29,760
Speaker 7: was literally angry at the historians because they they could not,

2033
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Speaker 7: they would not, they didn't have the courage to face

2034
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Speaker 7: these issues. And I actually wrote an essay called the

2035
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Speaker 7: Silence of the Historians, which was one of my first

2036
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Speaker 7: essays that was published in one of our first books,

2037
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Speaker 7: Murder and Daily Plaza, which you can still purchase at Amazon.

2038
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Speaker 7: So that's what drove me. Anger drove me.

2039
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Speaker 2: I was lived.

2040
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Speaker 7: I wanted to know why we didn't why they didn't

2041
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Speaker 7: tell us.

2042
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Speaker 2: Yeah. In another book, he wrote JFK was killed by consensus.

2043
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Speaker 2: The subtitle is Dally Plaza was just the final stop.

2044
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Speaker 2: When you say killed by consensus, what do you mean, Yeah,

2045
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Speaker 2: that's the issue.

2046
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Speaker 7: I mean that the power elite in this country, the

2047
02:15:20,760 --> 02:15:25,600
Speaker 7: American power elite, had come to an agreement that JFK

2048
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:29,520
Speaker 7: was a trader. He was betraying us in the co

2049
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:33,760
Speaker 7: War to the Communists, and in order to save the country,

2050
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:37,640
Speaker 7: they had to kill him. That is literally what they

2051
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:41,160
Speaker 7: all agreed on. We're talking about the powerful elite in

2052
02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:47,959
Speaker 7: the military, the political elite, the banking industry, the oil industry,

2053
02:15:48,200 --> 02:15:52,960
Speaker 7: steel finance. All these powerful people who know each other

2054
02:15:53,120 --> 02:15:58,800
Speaker 7: for elons silently agreed that he had to go. He

2055
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:00,760
Speaker 7: was just too dangerous to let.

2056
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Speaker 2: Live well, because he didn't think that we should be

2057
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:08,560
Speaker 2: in Vietnam making war. I mean you mentioned the military

2058
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:10,040
Speaker 2: was one part of it.

2059
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:13,360
Speaker 7: Yes, it was one part of it. The Pentagon was

2060
02:16:13,480 --> 02:16:18,560
Speaker 7: really eager to fight in Vietnam, and so all the

2061
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:24,440
Speaker 7: top military officials, the Joint chiefs, were seriously opposed to JFK.

2062
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Speaker 2: How much do you think was their acquiescence on the

2063
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:36,720
Speaker 2: part of government leaders like LBJ They knew about it

2064
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:41,160
Speaker 2: but didn't participate. I mean, how many how many different

2065
02:16:41,240 --> 02:16:45,760
Speaker 2: moving parts were there was the mafia involved, was Cuba involved,

2066
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:51,200
Speaker 2: Castro involved? I mean because JFK was definitely a threat

2067
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:52,320
Speaker 2: to Castro too.

2068
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:54,400
Speaker 5: Well.

2069
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Speaker 7: Castro was meeting at the moment AFK was killed. He

2070
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:03,720
Speaker 7: was meeting with a French journalists named Jean Danielle, and

2071
02:17:04,760 --> 02:17:09,840
Speaker 7: Castro responded very promptly, he said, now everything is going

2072
02:17:09,959 --> 02:17:13,760
Speaker 7: to change. You see JFK had sent out peace sealers

2073
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Speaker 7: via Jean Danielle, and JFK was indicating that he wanted

2074
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:24,880
Speaker 7: a kind of reproachewant with a Castro. Castro understood this,

2075
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:29,200
Speaker 7: and he knew that LBJ did not share these same

2076
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:32,760
Speaker 7: feelings with him. So that's why he said, now everything

2077
02:17:32,959 --> 02:17:34,560
Speaker 7: is going to change, and it did.

2078
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Speaker 2: How much? Was what evidence did you find or have

2079
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 2: you found answers? Have you found that Lyndon Baines Johnson

2080
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:49,120
Speaker 2: was an active participant or was just acquiescent in what

2081
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:51,039
Speaker 2: went on in the killing of JFK.

2082
02:17:51,440 --> 02:17:54,000
Speaker 7: I don't think he was a very active participant, but

2083
02:17:54,160 --> 02:17:57,640
Speaker 7: he had to know in advance. Yeah, because all the

2084
02:17:57,840 --> 02:18:02,080
Speaker 7: government agencies involved, the EYE, the CIA, the Secret Service,

2085
02:18:02,680 --> 02:18:04,920
Speaker 7: they all had to cover their rear ends or they

2086
02:18:04,959 --> 02:18:07,760
Speaker 7: would have been in deep trouble. So they had to

2087
02:18:07,959 --> 02:18:11,240
Speaker 7: know in advance that LBJ would cover for them, and

2088
02:18:11,360 --> 02:18:15,840
Speaker 7: he did. At Parkland Hospital, for example, the Secret Service

2089
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:22,720
Speaker 7: immediately moved JFK's limousine once a few people recognized that

2090
02:18:22,840 --> 02:18:25,720
Speaker 7: there was a bullet hole in the windfield that could

2091
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:29,440
Speaker 7: not be allowed. And there are scenes of the Secret

2092
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:34,400
Speaker 7: Service washing out the limousine. They're destroying evidence in a

2093
02:18:34,480 --> 02:18:37,640
Speaker 7: murder scene. How is that possible? Well, the Secret Service

2094
02:18:37,680 --> 02:18:42,520
Speaker 7: apparently had a widespread water to cover this up, So

2095
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:46,480
Speaker 7: only albu J could have protected their rear ends in

2096
02:18:46,560 --> 02:18:47,280
Speaker 7: the situation.

2097
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:50,200
Speaker 2: And so the Warren Commission and all of that that

2098
02:18:50,360 --> 02:18:54,360
Speaker 2: followed in the aftermath of this, that was all of

2099
02:18:54,440 --> 02:18:59,480
Speaker 2: Wincoln and nod by official Washington, the establishment to swamp

2100
02:18:59,560 --> 02:19:00,560
Speaker 2: whatever you want I want to call it.

2101
02:19:01,959 --> 02:19:06,840
Speaker 7: Yes, And likewise the follow up investigations like the Rockefeller Commission,

2102
02:19:06,879 --> 02:19:10,120
Speaker 7: which was led by Nelson Rockefeller, who I named in

2103
02:19:10,240 --> 02:19:13,240
Speaker 7: my book as one of the guilty parties. He was

2104
02:19:13,320 --> 02:19:18,720
Speaker 7: deeply involved in supervising covert operations, something most Americans are

2105
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:21,800
Speaker 7: not aware of, but he had an official position in

2106
02:19:21,959 --> 02:19:25,000
Speaker 7: that role. You can read about it in the biography

2107
02:19:25,240 --> 02:19:28,320
Speaker 7: of him, and that's listed in my book. So this

2108
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:30,560
Speaker 7: is one of the surprising things that I learned that

2109
02:19:30,720 --> 02:19:34,800
Speaker 7: Nelson Rockefeller was so involved. He thought Nelson Rockefeller was

2110
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:41,199
Speaker 7: involved in the coup in Guatemala. He had huge financial

2111
02:19:41,360 --> 02:19:46,040
Speaker 7: interests at stake in Guatemala, so he was actually provided

2112
02:19:46,160 --> 02:19:50,440
Speaker 7: with inside technical information on the covert operation there. It

2113
02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:55,120
Speaker 7: was important for his holdings there that he know what

2114
02:19:55,360 --> 02:19:55,840
Speaker 7: was going on.

2115
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Speaker 2: Did Khrushev know?

2116
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:05,120
Speaker 7: Khrushchev didn't know in advance, of course, but the Soviet

2117
02:20:05,240 --> 02:20:10,200
Speaker 7: Union conducted its own investigation and they clearly decided that

2118
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:13,680
Speaker 7: this was a domestic conspiracy by the right wing in

2119
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:15,160
Speaker 7: the US. They knew that.

2120
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Speaker 2: What about the mob's involvement, Doctor Mantick, Well, let me add.

2121
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:24,320
Speaker 7: One more comment about that. The family of JFK sent

2122
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:31,440
Speaker 7: a personal emissary to Khrushchev and they told Kruschief that

2123
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:34,120
Speaker 7: they understood that the Soviet was not involved. In fact,

2124
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:38,680
Speaker 7: when Krushchef came to the funeral, which was quite impressive,

2125
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:42,400
Speaker 7: I believe he was crying at one point because he

2126
02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:46,640
Speaker 7: and JFK had developed such a close relationship after the

2127
02:20:47,480 --> 02:20:51,400
Speaker 7: Cuban missile crisis that they both hoped that they could

2128
02:20:51,560 --> 02:20:54,600
Speaker 7: change the world forever. And the holany, of course, is

2129
02:20:54,680 --> 02:20:58,600
Speaker 7: that Khrushchev himself was replaced by a coup in less

2130
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:03,520
Speaker 7: than twelve months by his own right wares there in

2131
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:04,240
Speaker 7: mon style.

2132
02:21:04,879 --> 02:21:08,440
Speaker 2: Uh, doctor Mannick, you're already awake. Can you hang for

2133
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:11,040
Speaker 2: one more quick segment? Or do you need to go? Yes?

2134
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Speaker 2: All right? The Final Analysis The Assassination of JFK co

2135
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Speaker 2: written with doctor Jerome Corsi, our guest, doctor David Mantik,

2136
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:23,080
Speaker 2: who has done all this wonderful research, and we will

2137
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Speaker 2: pick this back up in just a few It's eight

2138
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Speaker 2: forty at fifty five KRCV talk station. My dad's skin

2139
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Speaker 2: with tear every time I changed this bandation. We're talking

2140
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:36,280
Speaker 2: with doctor David Mannick, who has written three books on

2141
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:40,240
Speaker 2: the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the latest, of course,

2142
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Speaker 2: the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The Final Analysis.

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Speaker 2: So does this mark the last in your your JFK books?

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Speaker 2: Have you said everything you can say? Have you done

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Speaker 2: all the research, you uncovered all the stones, doctor Mantick?

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Speaker 2: Or is there more?

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Speaker 7: Well? I think the major questions were the ones we

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Speaker 7: just got. Who pulled the triggers into the plaza, and

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Speaker 7: I cite names and show photographs who ordered the execution,

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Speaker 7: and I show multiple photographs of the people who were

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Speaker 7: in the American power elite and why did they do it?

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Speaker 7: So all three of these major questions are answered in

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Speaker 7: my book. So what is left to say after that?

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Speaker 7: Probably not a whole lot. A little bits and pieces

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02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:28,880
Speaker 7: here and there probably can fill in the gaps, but

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Speaker 7: in my opinion, ninety five percent of the information is there.

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Speaker 7: It's like putting a crossword puzzle together. We may have

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Speaker 7: a few pieces missing here and there, but we can

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Speaker 7: see the whole picture.

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Speaker 2: Now, what about the Mob and sam Gy and Kana.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they were involved too, s they let their role,

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Speaker 7: and in my book discusses the long time connection between

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Speaker 7: the CIA and the Mob, going back to Lucky Luciano

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Speaker 7: who is in jail during World War two, but he

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Speaker 7: provided the necessary connections in Sicily so that our Allied

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Speaker 7: landings there would be successful, and as a result, after

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Speaker 7: World War two was over, he was released from jail

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Speaker 7: and was allowed to go back to Sicily, where ironically

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Speaker 7: he was temporarily put in jail by the Sicilians as well.

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Speaker 2: I was looking at your bio, doctor Mantick, and it

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Speaker 2: says you were raised in a country school. You spent

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Speaker 2: eight years in like a one room country school and

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Speaker 2: then went to high school. How did you wind up

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Speaker 2: becoming a radiation on collegist?

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Speaker 7: Well, I was too curious.

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Speaker 6: I owned a PhD.

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Speaker 7: Post at the University of Wisconsin Madison, and of all things,

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Speaker 7: it was on X ray scale. So my life touched

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Speaker 7: on very early. But then I chose to go to

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Speaker 7: medical school at the University of Michigan and eventually became

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Speaker 7: board certified and radiation on college, where I am required

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Speaker 7: to read X rays every day and in order to

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Speaker 7: pinpoint tumors. I don't know where that author is or

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Speaker 7: I will miss it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I just with all of the material

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Speaker 2: that's been written and all the research that's been done,

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Speaker 2: what do you think sets your books and this latest

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Speaker 2: book apart from the others Doctor Manting, Well.

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Speaker 7: The fact that I have a doctorate in physics and

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Speaker 7: an MD with a specialty in X rays is unique.

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Speaker 7: There's no other author out there who can say that,

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Speaker 7: nor can anyone else. To the National Archives on nine

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Speaker 7: full days and taken hundreds of measurements from the X

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Speaker 7: ray and the clothing and the photographs, and done stereo

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Speaker 7: viewing of all photographs there's no one who's done anything

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Speaker 7: remotely like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'd be interested to see the book and see

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Speaker 2: what the autopsy photos and X rays told you about

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Speaker 2: this assassination.

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Speaker 7: Critical, they were critical. That's before that at my background

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Speaker 7: in medicine and X rays.

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Speaker 6: Was the entry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as where the the UH wounds, how

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Speaker 2: the wounds happened, and and at one angles and all

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Speaker 2: of the rest of that. Well, I wish you great

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Speaker 2: success with this book and all your books. And like

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Speaker 2: I said, people are still to this day, people who

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Speaker 2: weren't alive at the time I was. I was almost

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Speaker 2: three years old when the assassination occurred.

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Speaker 7: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: And what I remember most about it was, I mean

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Speaker 2: from an early age, I was a TV kid and

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Speaker 2: UH for three full days. Here I am, almost three

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Speaker 2: years old in November of nineteen sixty three, crying because

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Speaker 2: my cartoons aren't on, and my mom and dad are crying,

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Speaker 2: and I thought they were crying because my cartoons were

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Speaker 2: not So I mean, I've been fascinated by it, and

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Speaker 2: it is a subject of great interest, even the sixty

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Speaker 2: three years later. I wish you well, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Thank you You've been wonderful. It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for getting up for us, Doctor David Mantik and

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Speaker 2: the final analysis the assassination of JFK will wrap up

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Speaker 2: in just a moment. Coming up on eight forty nine

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Speaker 2: at fifty five KRC. The talk station. You're listening to

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Speaker 2: leaf Filter the talk station, AH one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: As we wrap up this morning, Mark Kohne.

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Speaker 1: Oot on my blue sweet shoes and boarded the plane.

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Speaker 2: So what's in a cheer mom? In the middle of

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Speaker 2: the in Callum, Wifornia, murder is in the heart of

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Speaker 2: a cheer mom? Torrence, California, Scharie Lynette Townsend, forty seven

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Speaker 2: years old on trial for murder. Prosecutors said Townsend responsible

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Speaker 2: for the fatal stabbing of a sixty six year old

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Speaker 2: woman named Susan Leeds, a retired nurse, who was found

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Speaker 2: bleeding in her Mercedes back on May third of twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: She had just finished a shopping trip the Promenade on

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Speaker 2: the Peninsula Mall in Rolling Hills, California. Died minutes after

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Speaker 2: she was found. The cheer mom, Scharie Lynette Townsend, had

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Speaker 2: also been shopping there that day, and her gold Sedan

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Speaker 2: was seen leaving the same parking structure where Leeds was

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Speaker 2: found bleeding to death. According to prosecutors, Townsend was experiencing

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Speaker 2: financial difficulties in the day before leeds death and posted

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Speaker 2: about her troubles on social media. One sc a civic

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Speaker 2: point of contention was a cheerleading trip to Florida for

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Speaker 2: her then fourteen year old daughter. Prosecutors say that Townsend

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Speaker 2: offered to bring two of her daughter's friends with them

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Speaker 2: on the trip, and the friends each gave Townsend three

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars for their tickets, but according to prosecutors,

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Speaker 2: those tickets never purchased. A criminal complaint said the investigators

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Speaker 2: spoke to the general manager of the cheerleading team that

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Speaker 2: Townsends daughter was on. The manager told investigators that Townsend

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Speaker 2: had been writing checks that kept bouncing, and she'd been

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Speaker 2: asked to provide cash or cashiers checks to pay them

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Speaker 2: for fees. She used Google to search for different ways

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Speaker 2: to obtain money, including duplicating credit cards, robbing coin operated

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Speaker 2: washing machines, celebrity donations, even finding a sugar daddy. Also,

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Speaker 2: prosecutors cited Google searches from prom on the Peninsula and

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Speaker 2: Jim's in the area. Townsend wanted to start a GoFundMe

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Speaker 2: to raise money for the trip, but she thought her

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Speaker 2: children would be embarrassed. Are they? Are they more embarrassed

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Speaker 2: because you're on trial for murder for robbing and killing

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Speaker 2: a woman so your daughter could go on the cheer trip? Boy,

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Speaker 2: this is this is mean? Girls? All grown up? Isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Been a pleasure? Been a blast. Thanks to Joe Strucker.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to you who hung around and put up with

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Speaker 2: me until the next time. Gary Jeff saying peace out,

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Speaker 2: like Ryan Seacrest with only about I don't know one

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Speaker 2: one thousandth of his money. It's eight fifty six. Glenn

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Speaker 2: back Next on fifty five KARC, the talk

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