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Speaker 1: Billy Cunningham, the great American. Professor Urik Kaufman, New York

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Speaker 1: City is the author of many books, including Eighteen Days

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Speaker 1: in October. They on Kipern, War, et cetera. And I

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Speaker 1: wanted to probe his mind about what's happening in Iran

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Speaker 1: today and with Hamas and the liberals have one view,

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Speaker 1: I have another, And Professor Uriy Kaufman, welcome again to

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Speaker 1: the Bill Cunningham Show. First of all, some of the

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Speaker 1: diet tribe from the left and the right, you have

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson more or less agreeing with those on the

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Speaker 1: like a King Jefferies agree this is a forever war

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Speaker 1: that will never end. And on the left and on

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Speaker 1: the far right, Tucker Carlson is kind of implicating that

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Speaker 1: the Jews are telling Donald Trump what to do. That

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Speaker 1: the pictures of the political cartoons as Donald Trump like

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Speaker 1: a lap dog in the lap of Benjamin Netchin Yahoo,

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Speaker 1: just doing whatever the Jews tell him to do. And

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Speaker 1: how first of all, how would you respond to that

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Speaker 1: Jewish troupe?

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Speaker 2: It's pretty funny. I mean some of them are just laughable.

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Speaker 2: This one is kind of over the top. I mean,

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Speaker 2: even for Tucker, I just The idea that you could

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Speaker 2: get Donald Trump, of all people, to do anything he

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Speaker 2: does not want to do, is I think a little ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Anybody would agree even is you know, that's the one

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Speaker 2: thing his critics and you know his supporters can agree upon.

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Speaker 2: I also just this notion that we have another forever war.

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Speaker 2: This is the opposite of a forever war. This is

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Speaker 2: an air war where there's no boots on the ground.

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Speaker 2: It ends as soon as President Trump says it ends,

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Speaker 2: and then that's it. And then there's no picture of people,

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Speaker 2: you know, running to get on the plane. There's no

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Speaker 2: picture of people trying to get on the helicopter and

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Speaker 2: Saigon on.

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Speaker 3: The roof of the building. It's over.

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Speaker 2: And these types of wars have been very successful in

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Speaker 2: the past. You don't necessarily need boots on the ground.

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Speaker 2: We did this successfully, for example, back in the nineteen

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Speaker 2: nineties against Melosovich. We took them down just with airpower.

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Speaker 2: We didn't take a single casualty. All it costs was

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Speaker 2: the bombs we dropped in the fuel that we burned,

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Speaker 2: and we did lose one plane, but the pilot ejected.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, there was no cost and we was

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Speaker 2: a complete success. We say tens of thousands, actually of

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Speaker 2: Muslim lives. The Arabboro, by the way, in that conflict

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Speaker 2: didn't lift a finger, it did nothing. We were the

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Speaker 2: ones who saved those Muslims. So the old trope that

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Speaker 2: you know is lamophobia, we hate Muslims, is ridiculous. We

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Speaker 2: save those innocent lives. Today Serbia is a better country.

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Speaker 2: It's a democracy sort of the other countries. It worked.

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Speaker 2: We did the same thing against Kadopi. Once again, the

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Speaker 2: Araborough didn't lift a finger, but we did. We say

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Speaker 2: thousands of Libyan lives again only with air power. We

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Speaker 2: didn't lose a single plane, we didn't take any casualties.

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Speaker 2: The cost was minimal. It was a complete success. Same

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Speaker 2: thing in the Twelve Day war. We obliterated the nuclear program.

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Speaker 2: We didn't do the job that we would have liked

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Speaker 2: to with the ballistic myths. Also, the Uranians, you have

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Speaker 2: to say, have shown a remarkable ability to rebuild far

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Speaker 2: more quickly than people fought. It is now estimated they

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Speaker 2: built a thousand missiles just between the Twelve day war.

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Speaker 2: And now you get an idea of just what a

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Speaker 2: threat they represent. So you know it was accurate what

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Speaker 2: the President said back in June. But it is also

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Speaker 2: accurate to say that they are a huge threat. But again,

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Speaker 2: it was one flight, we were in, we were out.

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Speaker 2: No forever war, no forever war in Venezuela. Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: has given us all a master cuss. And how you

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Speaker 1: Century, Professor Kaufman. They cry, after four to five weeks

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Speaker 1: of this is and the war, now get out, stop bombing.

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Speaker 1: And if we did that, let's say the peace talks

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Speaker 1: aren't successful, they fail. Or secondly, the Iranians simply want

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Speaker 1: to play stallball. They simply want to keep going as

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Speaker 1: long as possible and then to keep building nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 1: If America would listen to the radical lefter Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1: and get out now, stop and there they've been devastating.

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Speaker 1: There's no navy, no air force, the military bases are gone,

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Speaker 1: political leadership has decapitated. There's no like a ruling party,

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Speaker 1: and whenever one surfaces, they get killed. And so okay,

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Speaker 1: you've won, get out right now. If America would listen

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Speaker 1: we've met the goal, get out and letting Ron go

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Speaker 1: the Iranian way.

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Speaker 2: What happens then, it'd be craziness. We're is this close

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Speaker 2: Why would you let them off the hook now? Especially

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Speaker 2: when the casualties so far have been minimal. We had

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Speaker 2: I mean we've taken thirteen killed, we had a tragedy

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Speaker 2: I mean, our.

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Speaker 3: Hearts break for each one.

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Speaker 2: Each one is a world on to themselves. But you

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Speaker 2: know that's hardly the level of casualties that force you

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Speaker 2: to stop and say.

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Speaker 3: Wait, we got to get out.

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Speaker 2: We got to get out. I don't know why anyone

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Speaker 2: these things are crazy and think the other way. If

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Speaker 2: we leave Iran with the capacity to make a nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 2: they might use it against us. This is the problem.

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Speaker 2: A big A complacency has set in for years. When

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Speaker 2: I was growing up in the nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 2: we were obsessed over the threat of nuclear war. If

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Speaker 2: you remember, you might be old enough, remember the movie

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Speaker 2: The Day After about dropping a nuclear weapon on Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: It mesmerized the country, and then what do you know,

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Speaker 2: it turned out in nineteen eighty nine, thanks to prise

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Speaker 2: to Ronald Reagan and others, Soviet Union collapsed. It all

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Speaker 3: Today are thinking, well, maybe this nuclear.

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Speaker 2: Threat isn't as bad as we all thought. They are

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Speaker 2: wrong if that's what they think. Iran, this is a

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Speaker 2: different crowd. These guys are crazy. They are building a bomb.

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Speaker 2: They say they want to use it. It's not my words,

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Speaker 2: in their words, A relative moderate Hashemi raps and Johnny

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Speaker 2: described Israel as a quote one bomb country. They're chanting

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Speaker 2: little Satan. So you know, if they're going to use

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Speaker 2: use it against us. They're not going to fire a

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Speaker 2: set it off. They could do that, So why in

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Speaker 2: the world would you leave that? And for our liberal friends,

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Speaker 2: Tucker is just a hater and he's in isolation.

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Speaker 3: It's fine, but our liberal friends are the ones who.

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Speaker 3: There are human rights violations.

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Speaker 2: We got intervene. We got to save the people of

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Speaker 2: fill in the blank to Dan darfour, Rwanda, Congo, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: what's wrong with Iran? Thirty six thousand of them were

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Speaker 2: forget the fact that we are threatened, that they threatened us,

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Speaker 2: the theays. Iranians are responsible for the death of thousands

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Speaker 2: of Americans, thousands of US servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Speaker 3: Iran we now.

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Speaker 2: Know is supplying the Taliban, al Qaeda and others to

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Speaker 2: murder American soldiers. Also what they did to us in

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Speaker 2: Beirut back in the nineteen eighties, the Marine barracks, I'm old.

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Speaker 3: Enough to remember it. Two hundred and forty.

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Speaker 2: Guys got killed, the bombing of our embassy in Beirut.

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Speaker 2: Iran's behind that as well. So putting aside the human

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Speaker 2: rights side of it, just the threat to us. Where

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Speaker 2: are the human rights people.

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Speaker 3: When we need them for?

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Speaker 1: It's George Clooney to.

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Speaker 2: Be in favor, Yeah, well, yeah, they're in favor of

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Speaker 2: you know, George Clooney. They want to send soldiers again

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Speaker 3: It bothers them.

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Speaker 2: And this is what Bob is Tucker.

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Speaker 3: It's because it's good for Israel. And if it's good

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Speaker 2: Well, then it must be bad for us. But that's

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Speaker 2: what biggots think. That's what stupid people think.

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Speaker 1: Professor Yurik Kaufman, one thing I've noticed is that the

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Speaker 1: Jewish people in America tend to vote overwhelmingly for the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: It's almost self defeating. And college campuses are alive with

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Speaker 1: the Liberals are very hostile to Israel. What happened? Are

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Speaker 1: paying college kids and protesters on overpasses saying stop the

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Speaker 1: war now? Well, why has the liberalism become the last

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Speaker 1: five years so angry toward Jews.

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Speaker 2: It's a very good question, and it's one I explore

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Speaker 2: in my book American and Tofada. I think it's best

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Speaker 2: to think of this in terms of a thought experiment. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let us assume every single fact of Iran happened exactly

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Speaker 2: the way it did. Okay, so you got these crazy Iyatolas.

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Speaker 2: They say Jews are apes and pigs. They say they.

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Speaker 2: They say it all the time. If you don't believe me,

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Speaker 2: go on Google. Type in you know Iatola's apes and

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Speaker 2: pigs or Jews apes and pigs. Scroll with your mouth.

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Speaker 2: There's a verse in the Qur'an that says Jews.

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Speaker 2: They take it literally. That's where that comes from.

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Speaker 2: Every speech Iah Tolahamedi, the Father gave every speech, whether

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Speaker 2: every single speech came back to the same thing. We're

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Speaker 2: going to kill all the Jews. We got to kill

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Speaker 2: the Jews. They got a clock ticking in downtown Tehran

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Speaker 2: are going to be killed, and now they're building a bomb. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's assume all that's through. But instead of Ia totals

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Speaker 2: who want to kill the Jews. Let's assume it was

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Speaker 2: a white supremacists who want to kill all the black people,

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Speaker 2: and let's say blacks or aches and pigs and so

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Speaker 2: on and so on. Okay, do you really think Barack

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Speaker 2: Obama would have done an Iran deal with that country

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Speaker 2: where they get to keep the first generation centrifuges and

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Speaker 2: continue the research and research weaponizing a missile, which everyone

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Speaker 2: to enricheranium in ten. The whole deal sunsets in fifteen years, which,

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Speaker 2: sunset in twenty thirty, just a few short years away.

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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, in the meantime, we're going

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Speaker 2: to give these white supremacists over one hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 2: which they used to fund insurgencies to kill black people

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Speaker 2: be you know, they say blacks or apes and pigs.

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Speaker 2: Do you really think Obama would have done it? Of

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Speaker 2: course you would not, of course not. But but what

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Speaker 2: is it really? It's iotol as, it's runnings. They are

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Speaker 2: people of color. They want to kill the Jews, who are,

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Speaker 2: you get into something called cognitive dissonance when people have

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Speaker 2: People change the facts, not the beliefs. So now they

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Speaker 2: they're you know, Obama said they're going to take this

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Speaker 3: Now that happened, they spent it on.

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Speaker 2: Who these on hesbel on commas and all those other things. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's the core problem. I do think these people's heart

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Speaker 2: The facts don't even remotely justify it, so they change

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Speaker 3: The face of facts.

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Speaker 2: But they say it because again they got to back

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Speaker 1: And the other thing. Trump's doing this right now, and

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't work against it. But the Obama plan was

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Speaker 1: to give billions of dollars to the Iranians, promising on

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Speaker 1: the world. Lastly, another topic is genocide. I see everywhere

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Speaker 1: genocide against the Palestinian people. The Jews are committing genocide.

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Speaker 1: They've killed thousands and thousands of so called Palestinians. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the Arabs of Palestinians could have had the

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Speaker 1: And Hamas And has well control of that right now.

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Speaker 1: not sure there's reporting on that. So can you respond,

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Speaker 1: Professor Yurik Kaufman to the idea that somehow that the

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Speaker 2: It's laughable, Okay. So in the Pentagon right now, there

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Speaker 2: There are dozens and dozens of lawyers in the Pentagon,

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Speaker 2: and it is their job to go through all the

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Speaker 2: the Law of War US Army Manual says that I'm

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Speaker 2: quoting starvation is a legitimate method.

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Speaker 3: Of warfare unquote.

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Speaker 2: Now that's not just words on a page, that's policy.

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Speaker 2: When we went to war against Islamic State, and this

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Speaker 2: We starved them out, one city after the other. Anyone

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Speaker 2: written by a woman named Charlotte Alfred, and she describes

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Speaker 2: This is Barack Obama, now, okay. And they asked his spokesperson,

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Speaker 2: Josh Ernesthing. He said, look, this is legal under international law.

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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to see this, but we have to defeat

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Speaker 2: isis And that was exactly the right answer. These things

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Speaker 3: And so what you have to ask yourself.

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Speaker 2: Is how can it be? How can it be the

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama starved cities and it's legal, moral, ethical, and proportional, And.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 3: These things are legal.

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Speaker 2: This is how wars are fought. And the way to

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Speaker 2: ices and eradicate the Nazis and eradicate imperial Japan. And

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Speaker 2: the world is a better place for it. Okay, these

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Speaker 2: things are illegal. How can it be Obama starve cities legal?

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Speaker 2: That Yo supplies two million tons of food, that's genocide.

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Speaker 3: How can it be?

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Speaker 2: The fire jets under Barack Obama Bamba Hospital deliberately. In

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Speaker 2: most it's called the Salem Hospital again legal and international law.

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Speaker 2: Article nineteen of the Jugeva Convention says, black on white,

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Speaker 2: you are allowed to do this because it was used

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Speaker 2: for military purposes. How can we be Baba hospital legal?

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Speaker 2: You know, it gives warning, gives up the element of surprise,

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Speaker 2: sends in ground troops sites running gun battles in a hospital,

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Speaker 2: they say the Israelis did They didn't kill a single civilian.

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Speaker 3: That's genocide.

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Speaker 2: How can this be? It's not that Israel is doing

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Speaker 2: anything illegal, it's that Israel is judged differently, And so

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Speaker 2: you have to start asking yourself, why is that? Why

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Speaker 2: of color. And this all cognitive dissonance. There is way

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Speaker 2: to thread that needle where Barack Obama and the US

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Speaker 2: That's the core problem. This is what we need to

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Speaker 2: I don't want to suggest that Barack Obama did anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: I would never accuse him.

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Speaker 3: Nobody wants to do stuff like this.

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Speaker 2: Whether you like Obama or not. Okay, nobody wants to

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Speaker 2: starve a city. Nobody wants to fight wars. None of

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Speaker 2: us want this. But these are the things. This is

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Speaker 2: how you win a war and under international law, and

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, you know. Douglas MacArthur said in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: to refuse to resolve conflicts by nuking Israel, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And we're responding death to America has become death from America.

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Speaker 1: Professor Eriie Kaufman, New York City, you're the best author

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Speaker 1: of eighteen Days in October. Once again, thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on the Bill Cunney and Professor you're a great American.

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Speaker 1: I wish every American alive could have heard this interview.

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Speaker 1: It would change the opinion of this country. Professor Kaufman,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 2: Very much, Thank you Bill. It's always the privilege to

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Speaker 2: be with you.

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