1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: All right, well, we have been dealing with the gremlins, 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: the Friday Night gremlins here on wb Z. I feel 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: that I owe an apology to you, the listeners, and 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: I certainly owe an apology to doctor Doug Coward, the 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: veterinarian who he was speaking with, and we we will 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: have him on as a redo next I guess sometime 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: next week, okay, But in the meantime, his book in 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: Healing Both Ends of the Leash is available, and you know, 10 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 2: I check it out. I think you'd find it intriguing 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: and interesting. And I also want to thank Jonathan Lane, 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: who we spoke with about the two hundred and fifteth 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: anniversary of Henry Knox and the Noble Train. If you 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: want to get information, just go to the you know, 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Blandford Town Hall, or you can go to the website 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: that he gave two hundred and fiftieth. Again, I forget 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: what he even said, to be honest with you, but 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: it's in Blandford, Massachusetts on Sunday, and I think that 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: better fact. Let me go back here and see if 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: I can resurrect this in my mind he's the executive 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: director what's called Revolution two fifty and their website is 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: Blanfordhistoricalsociety dot org. So that's one way you can get 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: information on this. And there is this great event on Sunday, 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: January eleventh, from three point thirty to five in the 25 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: afternoon the Blandford Fairgrounds, ten North Street, and so there's 26 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: all sorts of ways you can you can participate in that, 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: particularly if you're out in that part of the state. 28 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: It's really going to be a great opportunity in my opinion. 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: Now we're going to talk a little bit about Venezuela, 30 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: and as I'm sure all of you know, a week 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: ago tonight, the then president of Venezuela, though he claims 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: he is still the President of Venezuela UH, and the 33 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: first Lady of Venezuela, of course we're talking about President 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: Nicholas Maduro. They were pretty much asleep at this hour 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: or going to bed. Little did they know that within 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: a few hours Delta Force would arrive UH and there 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: would be a big firefight in Love in which a 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: lot of his so called bodyguards and security team died 39 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: were killed. 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: UH. 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: In both the President of Venezuela and the first lady, 42 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: I believe her first name is Celia Celia Moduro were 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: taken by helicopter UH and then by by plane to 44 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: New York UH. And they spent the Saturday Sunday UH 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: in in jail in New York in a what was 46 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: described as an not particularly nice place to be UH. 47 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: And they were reigned on Monday, and they've been indicted 48 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: on drug trafficking charges. This was what President Trump said 49 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: in talking about the raid. Now, the raid was kept 50 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: under wraps that were apparently a couple of media outlets 51 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: that knew about that raid and kept it quiet so 52 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: that the military personnel did not lose the element of 53 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: surprise and be injured in the course of it. So 54 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: we'll start off rob with cut one one. This is 55 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: and the reason we're doing this is I haven't talked 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: about Venezuela because I've only back last night and we 57 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: spent all last night talking about Minneapolis. We may get 58 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: back to Minneapolis tonight, but I'd like to talk with 59 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: you about Venezuela. This is President Trump talking about this 60 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: stunning military, precise, quick strategic action. 61 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: This was one of the most stunning, effective and powerful 62 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: displays of American military might and competence in American history, 63 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 4: and if you think about it, then some other good 64 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 4: ones like the attack on Solomony, the attack on our 65 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: Back Daddy, and the obliteration and decimation of the Iran 66 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 4: nuclear sites just recently in an operation known as Midnight Hammer, 67 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: all perfectly executed and done. 68 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: And of course the question now becomes okay, as the 69 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: reporters have asked, what's the plan now, the President has said, 70 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: we're going to run ven A's a whale. We're going 71 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: to take the oil. And beyond the whole questions of 72 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: the appropriateness of the raid and constitutional questions, a lot 73 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: of Democrats are quite upset with the way in which 74 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: it was done. The so called Gang of Eight, the 75 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: four members of the Senate and the four members of 76 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: the House, who are always consulted about these raids this 77 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: type of military action advance, were not consultant. This has 78 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: cut number one thirty two. The US is going to 79 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: run Venezuela. 80 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: So who's in power right now? 81 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 5: Well, we're going to be running it with a group, 82 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 5: and we're going to make sure it's run properly. We're 83 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 5: going to rebuild the oil infrastructure, which will course, billions 84 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 5: of dollars. It'll be paid for by the oil companies directly. 85 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 5: They will be reimversed for what they're doing, but it's 86 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 5: going to be paid and we're going to get the 87 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 5: oil flowing the way it should be. As you know, 88 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: it was just a minor flow. It is actually a 89 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 5: minor flow for what they have. But we're going to 90 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 5: run it properly, and we're going to make sure the 91 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 5: people of Venezuela are taken care of. We're going to 92 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 5: make sure the people that were forced out of Venezuela 93 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 5: by this thug so taken care of. 94 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: And by the way, apparently, at least according to a 95 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: report I heard this evening, many of the so called 96 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: political prisons or what I would consider to be political prisons, 97 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 2: I think through about a thousand in Venezuelan and jails 98 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: have been released. The administration seems to be working with 99 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: the current vice president of Venezuela. This has got one, two, 100 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: A a little bit more of the president. 101 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 5: We're going to run the country right. It's going to 102 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 5: be run very judiciously, very fairly. It's going to make 103 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 5: a lot of money. We're going to give money to 104 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 5: the people We're going to reimburse people that were taking 105 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 5: advantage of We're going to take care of everybody. It's 106 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 5: very important. We couldn't let them get away with it. 107 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 5: You know, they saw our oil. We built that whole 108 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 5: industry there, and they just took it over like we 109 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 5: were nothing. And we had a president that decided not 110 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 5: to do anything about it. So we did something about it. 111 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 5: We're late, but we did something about it. 112 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 2: So everybody knows. That is what the president had to say. Now, 113 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: his Democratic colleagues, including the minority leader in the us NA, 114 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer of New York, was asked about this cut 115 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: one thirty four up. Do you think it's a good 116 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: thing that Maduro has been removed from office? 117 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 6: Look, Maduro is a horrible, horrible person, but you don't 118 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 6: treat lawlessness with other lawlessness, and that's what's happened here. 119 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 6: The American people this morning, George, are scratching their heads 120 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 6: in wonderment and in fear of what the President has proposed. 121 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 6: The United States will run Venezuela. We have learned through 122 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 6: the years, when America tries to do regime change and 123 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 6: nation building in this way, the American people pay the price. 124 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 6: In both blood and in dollars. 125 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: You heard Terry Ruby. He says the United States has 126 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: the authority to do what they're doing. 127 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 6: They do not. 128 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Why not? 129 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 6: He couldn't even answer your question. There is no authority 130 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 6: to go. They did not just do ships off the water. 131 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 6: They went inside Venezuela, bombed civilian as well as military places. 132 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 6: And it's a violation of the law to do what 133 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 6: they did without getting the authorization of Congress. 134 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: Well, irrespect of that, what is done is done, and 135 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: at this point, at this point anyway, Maduro and his 136 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: wife are in jail. There was an interesting article that 137 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: I read today that was in the Washington Post, and 138 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: I want to talk about that when we come back, 139 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: because apparently in the days leading up to the capture 140 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: some would call it kidnapping. I'll call it capture. And 141 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: if you want to call a kidnapping and want to 142 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: make that point, feel free that the Vatican was involved 143 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: in efforts to find a safe haven for Maduro. Now, 144 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to reference that out of the Washington Post, 145 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: which was an extraordinary story today. I don't know how 146 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: much people have heard about that one as yet. In 147 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: the meantime, I'd love to hear from you on Venezuela 148 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: six seven, two, five, four ten thirty, six one seven, nine, 149 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: three one ten thirty or triple eight nine to nine 150 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: ten thirty were about a week into this, and it 151 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: would seem that at this moment there is no need 152 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: for another military another activity by the military. But we 153 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: still don't know if this is successful. There was a 154 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: time in this country when differences in foreign policy ended 155 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: at the water's edge. That was a metaphor that whatever 156 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: American military were put in harm's way, whether it was 157 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: a world war or a police action, that Democrats voted Republicans, 158 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: Republicans supported Democrats. I think those days are long gone. 159 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, four, ten thirty. I'd love to 160 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: know from you. Do you feel the President has done 161 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: the right thing? Obviously, Medua will stand trial, assuming that 162 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: he survives, at some point a year or two from now, 163 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: in New York federal court, charged as a narco terrorist, 164 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: as well his wife. Who knows where where this will lead, 165 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: whether or not all of the benefits that President Trump 166 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: has outlined very clearly in the last seven days will 167 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: come to pass, or whether or not there will be 168 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: problems down the road that maybe none of US can foresee. 169 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: Right now, we'll talk about it here on Nightside. My 170 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: name is Dan Ray. Coming right back right after this. 171 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: Break night Side with Dan Ray. I'MBZ, Boston's News Radio. 172 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to get your reaction to Venezuela one 173 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: week out. That's number one. I will also talk to 174 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: you about this story and in the Washington Post today, 175 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: which basically is entitled inside the Frantic global race to 176 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 2: find an escape route for Maduro. A previously unreported Christmas 177 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: Eve meeting in Vatican City was one of the many 178 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: failed attempts to find safe harbor for the Venezuelan leader 179 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: before the US raid. I will read substantial portions of 180 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: that too. But in the meantime, I want to go 181 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: to my phone calls, and my first phone call, Paul, 182 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: just dropped off. So Paul, if you come back, we'll 183 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: be happy to get you back in line. Let me 184 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: go first to Bill in of all places, Mississippi. Bill, 185 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. How are you hey? 186 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 7: Happy New Year? How are you doing? 187 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. For some reason, I think you have 188 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,479 Speaker 2: called us before. 189 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 3: Yes, I have. 190 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 7: I was calling about the Venezuela oil thing. This time 191 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 7: I think it's pretty intimidating for all the people with 192 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 7: the high else to be watching this on the news, 193 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 7: especially with all the different countries coming together on the 194 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 7: water with all the boats and everything. I think a 195 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 7: week from now, hopefully things will calm down a little 196 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 7: bit and they'll go their separate ways. But you know, 197 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 7: in a way, it kind of looks like they're just 198 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 7: showing off the toys around each other to just regulate 199 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 7: a resource that the planet needs, and that's just something 200 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 7: that's been in our infrastructure for a long time as 201 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 7: a country. So I think it will iron itself out 202 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 7: in time. And when it comes down to the President 203 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 7: of Venesuela, you know, it's not his fault. You know, 204 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 7: he's just he got a point in the position and 205 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 7: he's doing what he can do. 206 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: You know. 207 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 7: You know, Venezuela laws are different than the United States laws, 208 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 7: So what boundary do we have to be able to, 209 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 7: you know, apply those laws in the right way. 210 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: You know, Well, let me let me break down a 211 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: couple of things what you said, because I just want 212 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: to make sure we're we're on You and I are 213 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: on the same page, whether we agree or disagree. Correct 214 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, But I don't think any other 215 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: countries were involved in this activity by the United States. 216 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: I think we kept it very close to the vest 217 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: and I don't know that any of our allies were notified. 218 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: I don't even know that, uh, you know, senior members 219 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: of Congress were notified in it. 220 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a Russian boat down there, and there's also 221 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 7: a Chinese boat down there. 222 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: Well THEAH. No, you're correct on that that they weren't 223 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: involved in the raid. I just want to make sure 224 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: we're talking theah. And by the way, one of the reasons, 225 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 2: one of the reasons that the White House has indicated 226 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 2: that we went into Venezuela was because Meduro, who's a dictator, 227 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: uh and, who who in the in the minds of 228 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: most people, including former President Biden, lost his re election 229 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: bid uh and and then he basically declared himself the winner. 230 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: We do not see him as a democratically elected leader. 231 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons that Trump was trying 232 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: to force him out without military action. When I read 233 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: this story to you after the next break about the 234 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: Vatican trying to find a safe harbor for this guy 235 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: to go to basically asylum, if you will. The plan 236 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: was for him to go to Russia and for Putin 237 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: to accept him as a guest. Venezuela has been very 238 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: supportive of Russia. They have provided Russia with oil, they 239 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: have bought oil from Russia. They provided China. They have 240 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: been a major supplier of oil to China. China has 241 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: a presence in Central America. They're trying to occupy portions 242 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: of the Panama Canal, and I think a lot of 243 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: this also, Venezuela had hosted Iranian dignitaries. There are Russian 244 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: planes on the ground in Venezuela, which we should be 245 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: concerned about. So Meduro not only is an enemy of 246 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: the United States, but he was a friend to our 247 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: enemies Russia, China, and Iran. So there there were a 248 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: lot of stakes on the table here when they took 249 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: this action. Thank god it was successful and that you know, 250 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: we had a couple of US military people who were hurt, 251 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: h and one a helicopter pilot who was badly hurt, 252 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: was wounded and actually I think it's still in the 253 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: hospital who actually was able to fly a helicopter which 254 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: was in peril of crashing. I don't know how much 255 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: of the details you've read here, but We were pretty 256 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: lucky on this raid, to be honest with you, that 257 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 2: everybody got in and got out safe for the most part, 258 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: no loss of American life. 259 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 7: What do you think is going to happen a week 260 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 7: from now down there in the water, Well. 261 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: I think we're going to stay. We're going to leave 262 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: the military presence because I think they're hoping that the 263 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: Venezuelan leadership that is left will understand that Madua was 264 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: taking them down a dangerous path. Uh, and that that 265 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: we will begin to see there's been there. Look, there's 266 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: been a lot of I think in cloak and dagger 267 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: stuff going on here. I think that they were talking 268 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: to the vice president of Venezuela before the raid. 269 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 8: She h. 270 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: I think is the one that that Trump would like 271 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: to see installed. I don't think that Trump believes that 272 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 2: Maria Machado, the Nobel Peace Prize winner in Venezuela, has 273 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: the political support necessary to assume leadership in that country. 274 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: We have to we have to handle this very carefully. 275 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: I would be a fool if I predicted for you 276 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: what it's going to be a week from now. I'm 277 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: more interested in what it's going to be a year 278 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: from now, and I hope that a year from now 279 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: there will be a new government in place, that we 280 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: will have established relations, that they're they're refining of oil, 281 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: refineries will be back up pumping that they've been working 282 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: in about twenty five percent pasciting now for years. There's 283 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 2: a lot of potential economic benefits to Venezuela by the 284 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: US getting US companies back in there and getting those 285 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 2: oil rigs fully operational. 286 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 7: Well, I know everything will work out for the best. 287 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 7: I know the USA has a good heart. We're just 288 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 7: trying to make it fair on everybody, I hope. 289 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: So, Bill, thanks so much for listening down there in Mississippi. 290 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 2: Do you listen to us most nights. 291 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 7: I'll listen to you every day. 292 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 2: Will do me a favor of my friend, be you 293 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: more frequent caller. 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We post every day 304 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: our our lineup, what topics we're going to be talking 305 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 2: about that night, and every afternoon at four thirty and 306 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: at postgame at midnight. After the show, we do a 307 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: quick recap, a preview, and then a recap at preview 308 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: at four thirty, recap at midnight of what's coming up 309 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 2: on the show that night on our home page, which 310 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: is Night Side with Dan Ray. 311 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 7: Well, thank you very much, Dan for having me. 312 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for calling in Bill. We'll talk again, 313 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Sixty six, Dan in San Francisco 314 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 2: comes up on the other side of the break. We 315 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: got some room for everybody. We had a lot of 316 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: callers last night on Minneapolis. I hope we can replicate 317 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: that tonight on Venezuela. Whatever your position is, if you 318 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: think it was a great idea, feel free if you 319 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: if you're concerned, raise your concerns. After we talk to 320 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 2: Dan in San Francisco, I am going to brief you 321 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 2: on this story out of the Washington Post that the Vatican. 322 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 2: The Vatican was involved up until the last minute in 323 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: an effort to find safe harbor, to find asylum, political 324 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: asylum for Nicholas Maduro, not knowing that. I don't know that. 325 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: I think that's what the Vatican should be involved in. 326 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: We'll be back on night Side right after the news. 327 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 328 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: All right, we're talking about Venezuela, and that happened a 329 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: week ago tonight. US military were literally getting ready at 330 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: this point, and I believe that they hit Venezuela right 331 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: after midnight. One o'clock is approximately the time that I've read, 332 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 2: so again, just to put it in perspective, seven nights ago, 333 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: one week ago, Maduro and his wife are going to bed, 334 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: not knowing that they're about to be hit, and basically 335 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: pulled out of their bedroom in pajamas or whatever. In 336 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: the meantime, they're now saying that there could have been 337 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 2: thirty four I think was the number of Cuban security 338 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: guards which had recently been deployed there by the Cuban government. 339 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: So we're continuing to talk about it. Good was it 340 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: a good idea? Bad idea? It seems certainly to have 341 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: settled down there the Minneapolis story has certainly taken over 342 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 2: the front page, and we did three hours of Minneapolis 343 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: last night. But I again, coming back last night, I 344 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: have to talk about Venezuela tonight. Let me go to 345 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: San Francisco and talk to Dan. Dan, I haven't called 346 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: in in a while. How are you tonight? 347 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm good? 348 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: Thank you. I know I haven't called in a while, 349 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: but boy, like different worlds, worrying simple, we're. 350 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Dan, your line is Dan, We're 351 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: having trouble hearing you. So what I'm going to do 352 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: is I'm going to ask Rob to work on your line. 353 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 2: I hope Rob will be able to get you closer 354 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 2: to a window or just get us a better connection. 355 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: And Rob, if you can get him quickly, we can 356 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: do them. And if the problem persists, if it's if necessary, Rob, 357 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: you can maybe try to call him back and get 358 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: a better line. And in the meantime, h is he back? 359 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: He's back? Okay, let me let me get back to him. Danny, 360 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: are you a little bit better? You were breaking up 361 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: for me before? 362 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 7: Yeah? 363 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: Rob got me? I think how now keep going? 364 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 9: Okay? 365 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: Geez, I don't know usually when I talk to you 366 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 3: everything's fine. 367 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, no, I understand that wherever you normally 368 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: talk to us, you know, believe it or not, I 369 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: assume you're on a cell phone. 370 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct. 371 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: Right, So the closer you can get to a window, generally, 372 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: generally that's the connection is better. But but go ahead, 373 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: your thoughts on this, Dan, go, let's see how we do. 374 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: Go ahead, all right, I'm going to open up the 375 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 3: window here. 376 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 2: All right, don't worry about opening the window. Be closer 377 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: to the window. 378 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: Go ahead, all right, Thank you very much. Sorry for that, 379 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: but yeah, you know, I just wanted to say I 380 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: do think it's a mistake. I was utterly surprised, like 381 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: I think all of us were when I woke up 382 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: to the news that we had attacks in Azula, you know, 383 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: in my thought just to really cut of big perspective 384 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: and try to burn up my wage for one. 385 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Dan, we're losing you again. I'm gonna have Rob 386 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: work with you here. Let me go to Steve in Cambridge. Steve, welcome, 387 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: We the gremlins are with us tonight, Steve, go right ahead. 388 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 9: Thank God for landlines. 389 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you I love landlines. Your thoughts 390 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: on Venezuela. It was a week ago tonight that you know, 391 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 2: Nicholas Meduls and his wife were about to turn in 392 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: for the night, and that was the last time at 393 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: least going to sleep in Caracas. 394 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 9: Well, Dan, I didn't follow the story initially. I caught 395 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 9: onto it a little bit. You know, I don't listen 396 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 9: to the news the first thing I get up in 397 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 9: the morning, et cetera. How come these thirty four security 398 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 9: guards from Cuba were unable to protect Van Duro. 399 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: Well, I have no way of knowing that. I can 400 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: tell you that the element of surprise was must have 401 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: been extraordinarily effective. I mean, I don't know if we 402 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 2: had people on the ground ahead of time, you know, 403 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: it's amazing. 404 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 9: Did we have cooperation from military in Argentina, I mean, 405 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 9: excuse me, in Venezuela. 406 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: I think that's possible. But I think even if we did, 407 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: those people probably are going to be a little fearful 408 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 2: for their lives. It was when you think about what 409 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 2: was accomplished, and that was that they flew helicopters in 410 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: at about one hundred feet over the ground. If you 411 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: haven't been in a helicopter, I mean being one hundred 412 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: feet over the ground is terrifying. One of the helicopters 413 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: that we're finding out now was hit and the pilot 414 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: of that helicopter was wounded in his legs and he 415 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 2: was still able to to keep the helicopter in the 416 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: air and get it back to the to whatever ship 417 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: it came off. I think it came off the gerald Ford. 418 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 2: And this is again, well in the middle of the morning. 419 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: And you know, zero doc forty. 420 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 9: If the American military was able to pull this off 421 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 9: with no loss of life, either to Venezuela or the 422 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 9: United States, is a tremendous coup there. 423 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: Well, there was loss of life to Venezuela. There were 424 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: Madeiro had security guards. There had been security guards flown 425 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: in from Cuba when he was beginning to be concerned 426 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: about the loyalty of his own security. Gosh, so they 427 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: were killed. 428 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 9: And how many Venezuelans were killed. 429 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: The numbers that I have seen were that there were 430 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 2: thirty four Cubans and forty Venezuelans. Now I don't know 431 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: how many of them. This was also, he was his home. 432 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 2: He was living on a military base, as I understand it, 433 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: and you know, he was you know, he was he 434 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: was protected. I mean he was not living on his 435 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: home at you know, one and twelve Main Street, and correct. 436 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 9: Loss of life to Venezuela and substantial substance. Really, I 437 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 9: didn't know that, you know, as I say, I haven't 438 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 9: really fought was terribly carefully. 439 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: But upwards upwards of of I would say, I think 440 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: the numbers I saw were upwards of six dozen military personnel. 441 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: Now I don't know if there were people within the 442 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: Venezuelan military who who realized what was happening and they 443 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: took people out beforehand. That story has yet to be told. 444 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: The story that I was alluding to earlier, which to 445 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: me was a fascinating story, and I'd love to get 446 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: your reaction to it. There's a Washington Post story, and 447 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: let me just read it. The first couple of paragraphs. 448 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: It says, on Vatican City on Christmas Eve, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, 449 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 2: second in command to the Pope and a long time 450 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: diplomatic mediator, urgently summoned Brian Burch, the US Ambassador to 451 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: the to press for details on America's plans in Venezuela. 452 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: According to government documents obtained by the Washington Post, would 453 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: the US target only drug traffickers, He asked, or was 454 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: the Trump administration really after regime change? Nicholas Maduro had 455 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: to go. Paolin conceded, according to the documents, but he 456 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 2: urged the US to offer him a way out. For days, 457 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: this influential Italian cardinal had been seeking access to Secretary 458 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio. The document show desperate to head 459 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: off bloodshed and destabilization, destabilization in Venezuela. In his conversation 460 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 2: with birch A Trump ally, Caroline said Russia was ready 461 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: to grant asylum to Meduro and pleaded with the Americans 462 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: for patients in nudging the strong man toward the offer. 463 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: What was proposed to Maduro was he would go away 464 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 2: and be able to enjoy his money, said a person 465 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: familiar with the Russian offer. Part of that asked was 466 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: that President Putin would guarantee security, but it was not 467 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: to be. A week later, Maduro and his wife would 468 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: be seized by American special op forces in a raid 469 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 2: that killed about seventy five people. 470 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 8: And he was flown to the seventeen Well, I mean, 471 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 8: I think, Dan, I think it is the Vatican's place 472 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 8: if it can arrange for a dictator like Maduro to 473 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 8: leave his. 474 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 9: Country and not and to avoid possible tremendous bloodshed. So 475 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 9: I mean, I think the Vatican was just this was 476 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 9: kind of an escape valve. They could get Maduro, give 477 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 9: him something a you know, to get him to leave 478 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 9: the office voluntarily. It could have avoided bloodshed. 479 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I understand that argument that there's something 480 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: that's still in the back of my mind. There were 481 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: lots of stories about the Vatican back in the days 482 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: of leading to and during World War Two that they 483 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: were on better terms than they should have been with 484 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: both Hitler's Germany and with Mussolini's Italy. Now again, the 485 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: Vatican is part of really it's only about eight acres 486 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: and it's surrounded by the city of Rome, which of 487 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: course is the capital of Italy. Yeah, maybe there were 488 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: things that they had to do. 489 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 9: To extrangenuating circumstances. 490 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: Yes, you said it better as you offered do Steve can't. 491 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 9: But I do think I do think, you know, and 492 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 9: without going into the World War II history, I do 493 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 9: think the Vatican has played and can play and should 494 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 9: play a role in seeing if they can avoid widespread conflict. 495 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 9: If they can and if it is to offer a 496 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 9: dictator something to get him out of the country. 497 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 2: I think that's legitimate, Okay, I understand that. It's just 498 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: something about it that bothers me that this guy, who 499 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: you know, former bus driver, labor union leader, all of 500 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: a sudden becomes the vice president under Hugo Chavez. Then 501 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: he becomes the power man. You know, killed people engaged 502 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: in Naco terrorism, put people in jail for political reasons obviously, 503 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: you know, enriched himself and his family at the expense 504 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: of the Venezuelan people, and for the Vatican UH to 505 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: basically give him or arrange for an escape vow for him. 506 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: There's just something about it that troubles me and. 507 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 9: I Dan, you know as well as I do, that 508 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 9: sometimes you have to make deals with the devil to 509 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 9: avoid even worse things. 510 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, and I think that the 511 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: metaphor that you're using, I often think that there should 512 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: be no deals with the devil, particularly by their Catholic Church. 513 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 2: But we'll let that one go for now. Happy New 514 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: Year two. Thanks for checking in. Steve is always an 515 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: extraordinarily thoughtful phone call. Thank you very much. Thanks six 516 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: one seven, two, five four ten, thirty six one seven 517 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: nine three, one, ten thirty. Maybe because I happen to 518 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 2: be a flawed but practicing Catholic. Uh And I am 519 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: a flawed by practicing Catholic. I will admit to that. 520 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: Trust me. I just think that when the leaders of 521 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: the church are arranging for with Vladimir Putin at a 522 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 2: time that he's shelling family Catholic families in Ukrainian families 523 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: in Ukraine to be working with him and Maduro, there's 524 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: just something that troubles me about it. Maybe it doesn't you. 525 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: I thought it was a fascinating piece of journalism in 526 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: the Washington Post, and that's why I shared it. In 527 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: the meantime, we do have Dan in San Francisco coming 528 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: up now, which is great. Six one seven, two, five, 529 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 530 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on Venezuela one week after? Do you feel 531 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: more comfortable? Now? Has your thoughts changed about the fate 532 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: of Nicholas Maduro? He is now safely ensconced and as 533 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: I understand that, a very difficult set of circumstances in 534 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: jail in wash in New York, actually in Brooklyn, awaiting 535 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: his fate, which would be that he's sharing quarters with 536 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: some of our most heinous criminals. That's what Diddy is there. 537 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 2: I believe that Luigi Mangioni is there, not that they're 538 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 2: interacting with each other, but has how his world has 539 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: changed in seven days. Back on Nightside joined the conversation 540 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: right after this. 541 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 542 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: We're going to go back to San Francisco to talk 543 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 2: with Dan, who is now outside. Dan, I appreciate the 544 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: extra effort here. 545 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 3: Go right ahead, same here. Okay, can you hear me now? 546 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 9: Dan? Is it okay? 547 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: Perfectly? 548 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 3: Perfectly, go right ahead, Okay, fantastic, All right, thank you 549 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 3: for your patience. Yeah. I just wanted to say about Venezuela. 550 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 3: I think it's a huge mistake. It reminds me of 551 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: what George W. Bush did in Iraq back in the 552 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: early two thousands. I see it as Trump, you know not. 553 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 3: He's been flailing lately with the affordability crisis and the 554 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 3: Epstein files and his own age and failing health. And 555 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: I think what he wanted to do was to try 556 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 3: to reassert his dominance by using the military to attack 557 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 3: another country. And I think he's also very interested in 558 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: the oil in Venezuela, and he sees it as a 559 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: get rich quick scheme to lower gas prices in the US. 560 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: But I think that's what he's trying to do, look 561 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: like a strong man and look vibrant and tough. And 562 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 3: he did this without congressional authorization, and it was from 563 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 3: completely out of left field. He was the america first 564 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: president who didn't want to get involved in foreign entanglements, 565 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: and here he is acting like a neocon from two 566 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: thousand and three. 567 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: Well, I understand the argument. I don't buy into the 568 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: argument completely, Dan, And my response to it is as follows. 569 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 2: I think there's a difference about sending American troops to 570 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: the Middle East Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere for twenty years 571 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: as opposed to what you do in your own backyard. 572 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: I mean, we do have this Monroe doctrine that has 573 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: that has existed for many, many years, and unfortunately we 574 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: have an intrusion by a lot of powers, China, Russia, Iran, 575 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: they had all set up shop in Venezuela. So this 576 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 2: guy was not only dealing in narcotics and making money 577 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: in narcotics, but he was hanging out with the bad guys. 578 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 2: There were there were a lot of Russian plans and 579 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: sitting at the Caracas airport and and you know what 580 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: else would have you done? I mean, he's not going 581 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 2: to go and to clear war on Venezuela. To take 582 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 2: him out, it was you know, I mean, what would 583 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 2: have you done? Just let this guy sit there and 584 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 2: continue to do what he was doing. 585 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, or used diplomacy, right, I mean, he's he They 586 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 3: were not weapons in Venezuela. It wasn't like the Cube 587 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 3: of Missile crisis where Russia was sending missiles to to Venezuela. 588 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Russia be nothing around in our hemisphere. 589 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you, how is what we did 590 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 3: in Venezuela any different from what Vladimir Putin did in 591 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 3: Ukraine he wanted. 592 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: I mean, basically, Putin has waged war, has bombed, has 593 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: has killed innocent civilians. To this moment in time, we 594 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 2: have not. We have not bombed hospitals in Venezuela, et cetera. 595 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 2: We have, Uh, we had some military strikes which took 596 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 2: out their internet communications for a while. Speaking about internet communications, uh, 597 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: in order to allow our troops to get and get 598 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 2: out and accomplish what they want to accomplish. I think 599 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: to compare what Russia's doing for what now four years, 600 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 2: four years next month in open warfare in Ukraine, I 601 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: think that's a little different. We haven't we haven't attacked 602 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: any other country. We made a determination, and and and 603 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: and Maduro was given safe passage, plenty of of of 604 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 2: opportunities to get out of town and take his money. 605 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 2: And has just read the story in the Washington Post. 606 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: They were they were negotiating with him up until Christmas Eve, 607 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: and he was not going anywhere. 608 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 3: What happens when Americans start getting killed there? 609 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 2: Well, I I don't think Americans are going to start 610 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: getting killed there. I don't if if he had wanted 611 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 2: to have invaded Venezuela, why is it that that? And 612 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: again I'm not accusing you, but I think folks who 613 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 2: think like you, Uh when when Barack Obama used drones 614 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: very efficiently and effectively and killed American citizens with drones 615 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 2: in Yemen? Uh? That that that that cleric, that Muslim 616 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: cleric and his son in the car. I don't remember 617 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 2: the outcry from the Democratic Party. Democratic Party officials, there's 618 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 2: some inconsistency in that inability for them to speak out 619 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 2: against something that Barack Obama did, which was pretty outlandish 620 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 2: as well. 621 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 3: But we didn't we didn't take one of their leaders 622 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 3: back to the United States, and we didn't say that 623 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 3: we were going to run the country, and we didn't 624 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 3: say that we were going to take back their oil, 625 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 3: which is all things done. Trump is said in the aftermath, 626 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 3: we I. 627 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 2: Mean our companies. Our companies basically put the the the 628 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 2: infrastructure into Venezuela for to pump oil. And at one 629 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 2: point Hugo Chavez took over the American companies. The property 630 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 2: of the American companies was appropriated by Venezuela. So Trump 631 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 2: is taking them back. 632 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 3: The oil is under their land, it's in. 633 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 2: Their trand that's true. But but the Venezuelan government had 634 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: allowed American companies that the oil would have stayed on there, 635 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 2: the land forever, would have stayed on the land forever 636 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 2: because they had no ability to pump the oil out 637 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,719 Speaker 2: of the ground unless American companies, with their know how 638 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: and their infrastructure came in and took it out of 639 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 2: the ground. 640 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 3: And that's their right. Dan, they can leave the oil 641 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 3: under the ground. It's not our right. 642 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 2: But would day would they when their government at the 643 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 2: time engages DAN contract DAN when their government at the 644 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: time engages in contracts with US companies and then in 645 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 2: violation of those those contracts, expropriates the structure for their 646 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 2: own use and instead of pumping, you know, three million 647 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 2: barrels a day, they were pumping a quarter of that. 648 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 2: And there's a dictator. Look, I get it, and you've 649 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 2: made You've made the best argument that I have that 650 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 2: anyone could make on the other side. Let's see how 651 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 2: it plays out. I hope it's a huge success. I'm 652 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 2: will and I'm glad to have you back in the 653 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: in the call of rotation and uh uh and and 654 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 2: you you've got a little change in government there in 655 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,919 Speaker 2: San Francisco with your new mayor. How's your new mayor 656 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 2: doing out there, Mayor Luri. 657 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 3: It seems like it's okay so far. You know, it's 658 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 3: it's early on. And there's one year. 659 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 2: One year he was he was interviewed tonights evening news 660 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 2: and he came across very very effectively in my opinion. 661 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, he won the election. And we'll see how we did. 662 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 3: And if I can very quickly ask, can you just 663 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 3: tell me real quick where did you go on your vacation. 664 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: I'll tell you at eleven o'clock. How's that? Okay? I 665 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 2: want I want to pull the secret. That's a deed. 666 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 2: Thanks dah. Okay, it was far far away. Thanks too much. Okay, 667 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: good night, h For those of you on the line, 668 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 2: Craig and Garrey, you stay right there. We'll continue to 669 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: talk about this into the next hour six one, seven, two, five, four, 670 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty 671 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 2: or triple eight nine to nine, ten thirty. Greg and 672 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 2: Gary will be up first. I'm not sure in which 673 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 2: order that both have just dialed in. We got some 674 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 2: open lines. We're talking about Venezuela. Obviously, Dan's not happy 675 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: about it. I think it's going pretty well. Love to 676 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 2: hear what you think, coming back on nightside