WEBVTT - 2-3-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.240 Slowly on the big one seven hundred wlws. Quick, name 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.680 me something more broken than our political system, the two 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:14.200 party system, because it's pretty fed up right now. Democrats 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.600 of course fighting for whatever direction it is Ergo Usica. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.599 It could be Gavin Newsom, as it can be Andy Basheer, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.040 but there's really not that much headwindon for many much 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:24.760 win behind their sales. I guess on that one, there's 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.520 a lot of headwind GOP. The other side, we have MAGA, 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:29.880 but we have a divisive Mega right now. They're kind 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.920 of split down the middle on that is Jesse arm 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.159 from Manhattan Institute especially more important now than ever, because 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.040 you know, you look at the polling, you look at 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.120 Speaker Johnson's hand on the gavel, which is tenuous. And 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.960 now Trump comes out just today or yesterday maybe and 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.040 says that the United States had to federalize our elections. 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.479 You can't do that. It's run by the states. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:53.840 Jesse did a poll on all this and gets a 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:55.720 deep dive on where everything is headed right now. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.520 Jesse, welcome to the show. Good morning, are you great. 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:59.760 To be with you, Thank you for having me. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:02.400 The thing that jumped out to me about this was 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.080 that almost a third of current Trump and GOP voters 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.920 are what you call new entrant Republicans who may have 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.679 voted Democratic as recently as twenty six year, maybe even 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:15.000 twenty twenty For that man, what's surprised you most about 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.080 that particular group when you started looking at the data. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.680 Yeah, So here's the bottom line. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.400 We were very curious because there's been so much talk 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.800 in recent weeks about what is the American right, what 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.560 are the fractures within today's GOP, what does it mean 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.360 to be maga, and is this President Trump's winning coalition 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:37.080 from twenty twenty four capable of remaining intact once the 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.000 president exits the stage. So what we did was we 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.039 went out and we asked nearly three thousand voters nationally, 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.280 the vast majority of which we're Republican. We had a 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.080 few Democrats in there for comparative purposes, and then we 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.240 introduced these large what's called over samples of black and 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.120 Hispanic voters, which we account for on the back end 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.440 with waiting. But we really wanted to get a clear 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:03.480 picture of the small groups that are sometimes, uh, you 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.640 don't want to make inferences that are too large out 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.280 of subpopulations that are too small in a survey. So 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.520 all that's to say, this is one of the largest 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:14.240 and most exhaustive survey projects to date of this new 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:18.679 Trump built, multi ethnic, working class GOP. And like you said, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.880 Scott's got two main camps that emerge. There's about a 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:27.560 two third majority a little over that constitutes what we 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.600 think of as traditional Republicans. They're quite conservative on everything 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.920 from foreign policy to the economic policy, to social issues. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.959 But there is this sizeable minority, what we're calling new 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.720 entrant to the GOP, people who just voted for the 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.800 Republican Party for maybe the first time in the last 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.480 two presidential cycles, but we're very likely to have voted 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:48.720 for a Democrat. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:49.600 In the recent past. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.240 You're talking about, right, Well, not necessarily, they're a younger block. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.840 There are more diverse block. Ethnically, they are more likely to. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:04.160 Hold progressive policy views across every major policy domain. But then, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.560 somewhat oddly, they're also a significant share of them are 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.639 more likely to report that they are open to racist. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.600 Views or anti Semitic views, and they. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.600 Express potential support for political violence. And yet again they 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.320 are more liberal on policy. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.160 How do you expland that contradiction. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.680 Well, I think that President Trump brought in people to 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:34.320 the party who are all over the ideological map. And 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.040 I don't think it'll be at any surprise for a 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:41.200 lot of your listeners that the racists in American politics 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:45.960 are often not coming from the right most place, and 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:51.480 that is an ideological line that is just not neatly 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.240 defined all the time. Your listeners probably know this. There 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.520 are people in their lives who feel various different ways 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.360 about any given issue. And you know, there are two 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.000 kinds of factions at play in the national discourse right now. 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.360 You've got left wing corporate media type and you've got 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.760 some of these odd ball types on the real They 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.040 want to position themselves on the right, but really they're 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.720 kind of flirting with a bunch of nasty things. And 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:19.520 what they both have in common is that they don't 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:24.560 want to see the politically successful coalition for the Republican 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.240 Party that Donald Trump put together in twenty twenty four 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.880 remain intact for future election cycles. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:30.200 Yeah. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:33.320 Interesting, And there's also, I know too, in the study 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.720 here a generational avide. So if you're on an under 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.120 fifty Republican that looks different than plus fifty Republican, I'm 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.960 pretty much everything it's dark. Whether it's Israel, China, or 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.240 you know, traditional vatos political violence. Are there just simply 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.719 now two different Republican parties coexisting temporarily. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:51.960 I think it's going to be up to the next 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.080 Republican nominee to stitch together a coalition that can work and. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.400 Win at the national level. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.520 President Trump, you know, some people might be able to 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:07.080 pin this in kind of a endearing light and say 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.599 that he's very pragmatic. Someone more hostile as the president 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.560 might say that he's inconsistent. But there is a fundamental 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.840 truth to the fact that President Trump has been sort 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.839 of ideologically flexible on questions over the years. He's not 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.640 a man who's afraid to change his mind. In the 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.599 first term, one of his signature policy achievements with Congress 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.160 was passing the First Stepbacks, which was a big piece 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.880 of criminal justice reform. In this term, he's been much 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.520 tougher on crime and policing. These National Guard deployments have 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.440 been a signature achievement. And in his campaign for office, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.320 he ran on a message of no new wars, but 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.880 also he's not afraid to use force. Now that he's 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.400 in office, he's got a very hawkish posture toward Iran, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.479 towards Venezuela, toward a lot of our adversaries across the globe. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.840 The other change, of course, is sam you know, the 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.960 leaning in towards more federalism general. For the longest time, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.200 Republicans were the party of smaller government. Not under President Trump. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.360 Latest example would be wanting to federalize allegedly the elections 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.960 taken away from the States. Clearly, the details of the 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:09.839 policy aren't what makes him attractive. 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.239 President Trump's appeal has kind of been his celebrity, his humor, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:19.800 and also his pragmatic flexibility around issues. What is it 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.440 going to be for jd. Vance or Ted Cruz or 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.320 Mark Rubio or whoever it is who becomes the Republican 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.200 standard bearer in twenty twenty eight. Maybe they'll bring in 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.120 a lot of young men the same way President Trump 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.359 did in twenty twenty four. Maybe they'll win back some 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.680 of the suburban moms that President Trump lost over the 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.440 course of his tenure in office. But politicians have to 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.279 be creative, and if they want to win at national level, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.640 they can't do it with just the base. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.600 But the question is who do they add in? 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.480 And it's probably pretty unlikely that the next standard bearer 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.000 is going to add in that same group that President 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.080 Trump would managed to manage to put together. 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.880 Jesse armc Manhattan Instinct on the study, that's a damn. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.680 I wouldn't say impossible. Nothing's impossible. And you know, every 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.880 day and politics feels like it's a year these days. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:03.760 For sure, hardly Trump's only been in office a year. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.040 It feels like I'd spend two terms. But you look 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.159 at that, it's the cult of Trump's personality, the enigma 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:10.080 that's Donald Trump. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:11.760 That's awfully hard to replicate. 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.800 We've seen that tried before with other people, maybe not 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.680 till Trump's level, but let's face it, he's an iconoclassed. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.840 You can't replicate that. That's going to be difficult. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.960 And we'll have to keep in mind that the Democrats 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.160 are super eager to finally get their Trump. Don't be 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:32.320 surprised that they nominate somebody in twenty twenty eight who's 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.520 willing to like some heads off and be a creative 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.559 communicator and you know, break break the electorate up along 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.360 interesting ideological line. Gavin Newsom is capable of doing that. Hell, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.040 even maybe AOC may be capable of doing that. So 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.680 hopefully there's a Republican that comes forward with the same 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.080 kind of policy entrepreneurship and political creativity. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.000 That President Trump is able to possess. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.320 But as you and I both know and your audience knows, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:57.320 that's no easy task. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.760 Yeah, you surveyed this group three thousand, which is a 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.840 really good sample size, by the way, on appointing but oh, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.120 that's not that many people, But that's pretty good on 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.400 where the GOP is standing, where they're headed, I guess 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.800 right now. And you tested things like anti semitism and 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.760 the conspiracy theories, and I thought the political violence one 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.320 was particularly interesting. That more than half of what you're 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:21.120 calling the new entrant Republicans say political violence is justified 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.000 or can be justified anyway, and that matches up with those. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:24.360 On the left. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.200 Yeah, well, a lot of these people, like I said, 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.320 they're younger, and they're more conspiratorial. They've got a more 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.679 and once you're more conspiratorial, another thing that our data 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.160 told us is that you're also more likely to excuse 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.800 political violence under the right circumstances. 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.680 So we have to ask ourselves. 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.800 Right when we're hearing and seeing a lot of stuff 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.520 in the news about the evolution of media figures like 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.880 Tucker Carlson or Canvasz into a transition to a. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.760 Fully online environment. Well, we have to ask ourselves, like, Okay, 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:58.200 so they're. 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.960 Appealing to a younger block, a more diverse block, a 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.760 block that's spending a lot of time in digital spaces, 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.200 not listening to radio shows like yours, but are perhaps 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.280 you know, spending a lot of time on TikTok and 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.680 on platforms like rumble x. And the incentives are just 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.720 different than what they are for electoral politics. We actually 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.680 pulled voters, and when you talk to voters, it's a 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:27.120 lot more traditional and coherent ideologically, at least the vast 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.559 majority of the GOP looks that way. So it's important 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.440 to keep in mind that your favorite voices in sort 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.160 of new media have incentives that are different than your 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.000 favorite politicians and Republican or any political party. 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.120 Yeah, I mean you had this confluence event that, you know, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.559 the long distrust of legacy media, and then along came 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.200 the Internet and different influencers are online and there's no 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.280 filter for them, and the more extreme the better. And 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.280 that makes sense as to why so many people majority 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.559 would lean towards political violence because that's being preached on 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:57.319 those platforms. 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.839 Absolutely. Yeah, it really all comes down to that there 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.040 is a core group and a fringe group, and it's 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.080 up to whoever is going to be the next standard 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.000 bearer for the party to come to a determination about 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.959 who will make up their block and can they create 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.960 a block wide enough to secure a victory at the 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.400 national stage, because that has no easy cap President Trump 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.680 even struggled to do it three times. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:29.560 He you know, depending on who you are man at least. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:31.080 Yeah. 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.840 Jesse arm in Manhattan Institute a new poll that they did. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.319 They are very exhaustive one that reveals divides inside the 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.439 GOP coalition. So you've got the core, you've got the 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.599 less stable outer ring. One is hearing this and going on. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.240 So it's just what the older people are, the neocons, 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.880 and that's the cohesive core traditional conservatives of maybe ten 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.840 years ago, and now you've got a less stable outer 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.280 ring who are the younger entrance into the GOP is. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.120 But even that is probably a misleading summary, right Executive Summer. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:02.640 Yeah, No, I mean we're not seeing a natural fault 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.960 line along what you might call neocons and then their 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.600 adversary being I don't know paleocons who like Pass Buchanan 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:15.959 or something like that magazine. No, yeah, this isn't this 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:20.080 isn't falling along those It's not that tidy split. Okay, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.840 we've found too much messier blocks, which I've described for 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.959 you now earlier. But again it does. They are repeating 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.079 that just under thirty percent of today's GOP is what 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:35.080 we call these new entrants, Republican voters who join the 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.800 coalition in the Trump era. They are younger, more racially diverse, 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.920 and much more likely to have voted for Barack Obama, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.959 Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Kamala Harrins at least one time. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.000 So they are the ostensible base for much of the 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:54.280 eccentricity that now preoccupies conservative politics. Because those voters are 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.080 also so much more liberal on issues that we tested, 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:01.200 from taxes and spending to foreign policies, immigrate to DEI 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:06.160 to transgender issues. This is a consistent through line. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.240 And beyond all that. 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.520 Like I said, there is a location with the kind 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.800 of odd here. They're much more likely to believe a 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.360 number of conspiracy theories. They're much more likely to sort 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.360 with political violence in some ways, and that is you know, 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.040 breaking our politics up along very funny lines. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.040 Yeah, yess you mentioned the minority faction of the GOP 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:34.199 was over sampled deliberately. But I'm looking at the numbers 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.360 of d and then maybe that factors into the reason why, 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:41.720 even more so than white Republicans, Hispanics and blacks say 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.360 DEI should be made illegal. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:44.040 What do you make of that? 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.440 I think that DEI has got to be a winning 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:53.360 issue for conservatives moving forward, no matter who the policy 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.480 standard barriers for the Republican Party. One thing that was 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.920 a parent from our data is that a big use 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.320 way to think about our politics and what it is 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:08.040 that Republicans stand for is merit, meaning we believe in 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.280 a true meritocracy that anybody can work their way up. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:19.120 Equality of opportunities, not equality of outcome. And I'll say 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.520 that actually a politician in your state is perhaps one 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.160 of the best articulators of what it means to organize 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.760 the Republican Party along the through line of merit. 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:31.640 What is fair? 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.600 What is just that the best people rise to the top, 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.560 and that we're not giving out handouts and living in 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:46.480 a sort of DEI racially discriminatory identity politics obsessed America 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.480 and that politician is the zach Ramaswami, who I think 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.000 stands a very good shot of being your next governor. 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.800 Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too. Similarly, because 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.480 we're a limited time here, Jesse. Almost parallel to that 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.800 is the sculinity question. Seven out of ten current GOP 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.720 supporters believe that America is too feminine, and it's almost 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.640 sixty percent of Republican women. What's driving that settlement and 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.280 how does that going to shape the cultural positioning when 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:15.880 it comes to the gender wars. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.200 Well, keep in mind that our polling was of most 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:24.040 heavily what we call the current GOP and we defined 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.000 that as you had to be either part of the 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.280 whole group that voted for Trump in twenty twenty four, 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:35.040 regardless of your policy party registration, or you are a 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.360 registered Republican even those who did not vote for President 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:41.640 Trump to be considered in that current GOP block. And 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.560 that group that President Trump has brought together and reshaped 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:50.240 the Republican Party in that image is very male, and 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.840 beyond being very male, even the women who are part 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:57.480 of that block believe that America has become too a feminine, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.200 feminized as a country. So how do you articulate and 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:09.440 develop a politics that is strong, masculine, uh nationalist, but 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.720 avoids you know, I mean we're both guys. We know 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.120 kind of where guy's pitfalls right right right to be 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:21.640 too ma show to be headstrong, stubborn in effective that 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:26.240 compromise to difficult song and dance, and you're gonna see. 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.640 I think if I had, if I'm a betting man, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:31.840 the Democrats are probably going to nominate a man in 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.520 twenty twenty eight if tried nominating women a couple of times. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.920 Now they've lost Gavin as the guy who sort of 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.320 appears to be the front runner right now. So we're 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.240 going to be in dangerous territory as Republicans if the 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.600 Democrats end up nominating a man who can speak the 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.960 language of masculinity effectively while articulating a progressive policy program. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.280 Yeah, is that I mean it could be a Gavin Newsome. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:55.840 Is that an Andy Basher from Kentucky? 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.080 It should be a lot of people, but Andy Bisheer 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.080 is another one who de only get kicked around the 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.720 lock Josh up hero in Pennsylvania, another popular Democratic governor 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.720 who is not you know, he doesn't talk in the 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.000 sort of ultra progressive, woke ways that so many Democrats 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.080 did just a couple of years ago. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:17.520 We're losing a lot. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:20.760 Yeah, and obviously the big blooming problem here is Trump 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.400 two point zero. The next candidate is at paradox because, 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.200 based on what you just said, Jesse, the most Trump 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.120 like rhetorical appeal to the new entrance, as you call them. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.400 But core Republicans that tend to dominate the primaries want 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.080 steady or more traditional leadership. So that's that's gonna be 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.680 a tough one to play out. We'll see how it 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.600 goes again. He is at Jesse arm He's at Manhattan Institute. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.440 What's happening with the GOP. We may have to do 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.479 one of the Democrats too, because that's also equally confusing. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.000 We're just at one of those political crossroads that happens 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.479 every generation, for sure. All the best, Thanks again for jumping. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.840 On, Thanks for having me. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.000 Take care you too, Stay safe. We've got weather moving in. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.880 It's here now. As a matter of fact, one to 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.520 three or three to five, depends on who you believe. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.400 We'll kind of find out together. He full update. We 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.880 got traffic and more just ahead of news and about 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.720 five minutes Scott's Loan Show seven hundred w WELW. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:10.040 Here we go? 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.480 Is the snow starts to fly? Seven hundred w W 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.760 scott Sloan Show? Is it one to three? Is it 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.399 three to five? That's the question. James just hit me 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.000 up and said, Randy Rico at five predicts three to five, 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.040 but Jay catch at nine predicts one to three. Who 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.200 will win? This is bigger than the super Bowl? I say, absolutely, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.560 this is bigger than the super Bowl. How much snow 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.359 mcgeddon will we get today? Looking like right now, maybe 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.840 closer to the one to three. So I'm with Jennifer 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.320 ketch Maark on this one. We'll see how it plays out. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:43.000 The other thing too, My daughter calls me, says and 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:44.640 at that age, you know, in your twenties, you don't 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:45.760 really pay attention to stuff. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:47.440 She's like, Dad, what's the matter? 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.720 Why? Why is Kroger so crowded? Like, well, you know, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.600 it's gonna snow like one to three inches. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:53.840 Ew. 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.120 So I got the lay of the land at her Kroger, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.600 and it's certainly not like it was prior to the 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.880 twelve inches. But there's a notable uptick in the number 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.080 of people that are buying essentials, which it makes me 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:09.680 always laugh about the panic buying thing, like the last 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.960 now storm. Explain me why this is. And we saw 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.200 this too. You know in twenty twenty we had the 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.800 run on toilet paper during COVID, and then we had 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:23.320 to run on gas because of gas and well what 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.200 the port workers strike just a couple of years ago, 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.440 and that was toilet paper. And so people lose their 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.760 minds going and buying and panic buying, and it's not 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.600 a new phenomenon, but it certainly can be annoying. If 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.560 you're just going, look, she wants to go. I don't 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:35.840 even know it's going to snowed a little bit. So 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.280 what why are you clearing out? It's talking to someone 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:44.879 before the last storm and they were at the store 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:50.320 getting the and someone had five gallons of milk. I'm 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:54.400 not exaggerating five gallons of milk. I don't know if 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.080 she actually told them. What do you do you normally 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.720 drink five gallons of milk? I mean really, Okay, the 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.119 storm hit in two days later. You know we were 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.440 able to get out to three days later. You're okay, 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.040 there may be some snow in the street, but five 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.280 gallons of milk for three days. Come on, man, what 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.200 do you do? What are we doing here? I would love, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:17.800 you know, all the stuff that you see on local 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.840 news or national for that matter, wouldn't you love to 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.040 see them go to an interview? People are coming out 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.840 with five gallons of milk? What the hell are you thinking? Like, 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:29.000 excuse me, yeah, I know you've got five gallons. Do 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:30.360 you normally buy five gallons of milk? 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:30.480 No? 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.760 Why are you buying five gallons of milk now? Well, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.280 because everyone else is grabbing the bottles. I just wonder 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.520 if that milk now is not all down the dry, 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.600 like three gallons of it, maybe four? Yeah, I mean 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.119 if you I guess, if you had a family of 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.240 ten kids, you need five gallons of milk. But it 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.800 was an older person and not not old, oh yeah, 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.360 middle aged. I was like, No, you have that many 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.080 kids where you really like milk? Huh, clearly you don't 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.200 have lactose intolerance. Not quite sure why we do that. 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:03.760 Gotta run get bred today it's like one to three 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.119 inches maybe five inches. You you can get out in 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.840 that stuff. Stuff will still be open. The funniest damn 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:11.520 thing in the world to panic, the fear of course, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.479 because everyone else is grabbing it, so you grab it. 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:17.000 That was most evident during COVID. We couldn't find anything 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:18.840 on the shelf because everyone's snapt. And then we had 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:20.680 the limits. You can only have one thing of toilet pap. 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.960 Two things that can find toilet paper anyway, because people 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.800 are hoarding it. And there's probably people that still have 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.000 are still tapping into the strategic toilet paper reserve in 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.760 their household. It's like they bought so much during COVID 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.520 that here it is six years later. Still yep, I 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.320 still got I've still got some. I've still got some. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:41.840 And then there are people who are just simply are 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.840 not prepared for life events. And I'll bring this up 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.240 not the punch down, because I want her take on 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:54.000 this one. So today my work truck, by the way 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.119 is buried about ten feet of snow right now. So 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.119 I'm like, I don't really need any where. Nothing's breaking, 0:20:58.160 --> 0:20:59.760 I don't have to go fix anything for a few days, 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.280 it's right. So today with the snow, I'm like, well, 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:03.919 I got a you know, my day to day care 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:04.560 a little smaller. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.640 I'm like, you know, my wife's not going on ACTU. 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:07.359 The knee surgery. 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:11.000 I'll just take her suv okay, because when I drive 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.359 after the show, there'll be some snow on the ground. 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.040 I take the scuy and I may stop the door 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.720 pick some stuff up because now it's a good time 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:19.640 to get Once the snow starts flying, then people don't 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.240 go to the store, so whatever's left and maybe a 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.600 Costco kind of day. Anyway, I'm looking in her truck 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.159 pulling the parking garage like okay. Normally, I prepare a 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.080 little bit and go, okay, where's the brush to clear 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:33.639 the snow off? I am not exaggerating. I came across 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.680 in her suv okay, there are a couple of real 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:37.480 estate signs. 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:39.000 There was what looked. 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.040 Like a a new doormat, but it had a pumpkin 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:43.960 on it, so I'm guessing she bought the doormat for 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.640 Halloween and it's still in her truck. I found an 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:54.960 empty shoe box and one one very used tennis shoe, 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:00.159 a pair of sandals, one had a broken strap up 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:04.840 on it. I found three golf balls. Three golf balls. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:09.520 I found a couple of power cords that look janky, gum, 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:11.920 an empty container of gum, a full container of gum, 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:21.800 paper clips, hair scrunchies, Burretts, pens, markers. I did not 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:27.119 find a snowbrush here. It is February. No snowbrush in 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:31.040 the car. But if I wanted to hit some golf 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:38.240 balls in the snow wearing sandals or one shoe, that's 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.320 the truck to have. That's the truck to have. So 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:43.800 I wonder if I could just go home or stop 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:45.720 and buy a snowbrush, because I know we've got twenty 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.919 of them, and I don't know why they leave the car, 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:53.320 especially when you have golf balls and slip ons in there. 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.200 I just I don't I went over slides. No, they're 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:58.119 a sandals. Yeah, like beach handles, just in case. I 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.480 don't know why I don't. I have no idea. I 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:02.440 have no idea. I'm not judging. I'm just pointing out 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.480 the the planning ahead. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.000 I'm a planner if anything. 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:10.239 So, yeah, that's planning for There's people who overpray I'm 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.440 gonna buy five gallons of milk and all the bread 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.680 and all the batteries for I don't know an inches 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.120 to a snow okay. And then the other extremists people going, yeah, 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:20.320 I'll get that snowbrush in my car about I'll get 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:24.280 in there about July. No rush for this, no rush 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.880 just buying everything. It's just it's it's like politics, right, 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.760 It's just the extremes that drive you crazy. Uh In 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:33.560 Lemon and Pete, you're on the Scot Sloan Show. What's 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:33.920 going on? 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.240 Slowy? A lady has to have her priorities. 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:41.880 Sandals used one atlantic chee golf balls. 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:43.639 You never know. 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.760 I mean there might be a one legged golf tournament 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.160 coming out. You got to be prepared. Man the basfoot 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:50.520 golf or barefoot golf. 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:51.040 Yeah. 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.520 Meanwhile, you know, we got snow coming down. I'm gonna 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:55.800 clean that with my tongue. Apparently, it's fine, don't worry 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.040 about I got it, honey, it's good. 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:57.560 I got you. 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:01.359 I got to the list for panic buying. 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:04.400 I stopped in the home depot and get a bag 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.480 and got ten pounds fifty twenty pounds bag of. 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:11.600 The ice or the you know, yeah, yeah, the last skin. 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.800 This guy bought the last kit. It was six foot tall. 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:17.719 They loaded it up and they go, that's the end 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:17.879 of it. 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:18.320 That's right. 0:24:18.359 --> 0:24:23.560 I said, why would you sell him the whole shite? 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.639 I'm thinking this guy either owns property like you're a 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.000 rental guy, right, a rental guy, right. 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:31.840 Or he's selling it like toilet paper. 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.280 And uh if he see I would have hung a 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.560 ree had time hang around. I'm wondering if he's the 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.040 guy's got the palette of salt on top of his 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.159 I don't know, on top of his his Corolla. 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:43.640 Right. 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:45.880 Instead you're thinking he had a truck and these people 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.040 at home deeper they got sheets of plywood on top 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:50.119 of a pinto. What the heck? What I want? 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:53.480 What I should have done was the follow him. Right. 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.160 Maybe he was at the corner selling her stuff hot, you. 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:01.359 Know, like, hey, you know what buying panic selling? I 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:01.719 love it. 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.280 God bless America. 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.239 The United States society got a lot, right. 0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:12.760 I appreciate you man. Thanks. Yeah, you don't snatch it 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:14.879 up all the rock salt there's another thing, but that 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.840 takes an effort. I think it's because they're heavy, right, 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:19.800 especially a pallette. You mean you better have a truck 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:21.520 if that guy's going to put it in like a mini van. 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.639 And then the pallette. You got the another thing with 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.200 palettes too. Have you ever noticed you're driving? 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:27.840 No? 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:31.040 One just says one Pallette, like the guy who's taking 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.320 the pallettes back to the Pallette factory or to be 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.560 used as compost. However, there's a thousand pallets on the 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:38.200 back of the smallest truck in the world. It's never 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.639 a big truck that has the Pallett's. It's always like 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:43.360 a I don't know, a Chevy S ten, like those 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.240 old trucks, and it's that old like literally, there's no 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:48.960 one who's hauling pellets in a new truck and they've 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:52.800 got them stacked up like sixty high and strapped down, 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.320 maybe strapped down, and they're driving that right lane by 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.639 fifty miles an hour. It's always a small pick of 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:02.159 the small body pickup truck and a million pallets on 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:07.040 the back. And that truck was new in nineteen seventy eight. 0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.960 Damnedest thing. It's the damnedest thing. To Florida and Keith, 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.080 how's everything there? You guys getting some weather? We're about 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:14.960 what we're else? Are you in? 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:15.080 Now? 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.040 How's the how's it tempts? I know somebody was in 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.000 Pensacola last week and it was snowing. 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:21.959 Well, funny, I tell you so. Yeah, at the end 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.920 of the world, then here it almost got down to freezing. Yeah, 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:29.600 up the plants. Yeah. Uh, it's brutal, absolutely brutal. 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:33.520 I'll bring it up that actually put on socks, life 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:35.680 and stuff. This is gonna mess up my I'm gonna 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:37.960 have tan lines. Now it's gonna be on sightly. It's 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:39.000 gotta be unsightly. 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:41.320 Uh yeah. 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.680 Watching all my family up in Cincinnati shoveling and blowing 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:45.719 so now I'm just loving it. 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.520 Yeah, I don't mind doing it. I like the shoveling 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.879 and blowing snow. You guys get any pan well, you 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:51.800 probably get the panic down. 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:55.880 And for hurricanes, uh yeah, I've been. We had three 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:57.760 front of water through the house in Milton, so we 0:26:57.840 --> 0:26:58.840 definitely got our share of it. 0:26:58.960 --> 0:26:59.160 Yep. 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:00.480 Yeah. 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.680 Uh what's what's it like? That is milk the big 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:03.280 one in Florida? 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.679 No, actually, nothing is because it's not hurricane season. Now 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:10.840 that's a hurricane season. You got to get to the 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:11.880 liquor store quick. 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:17.080 Cards, dude, because most of the time you're seeing full time. 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:18.040 Yeah, he's just waiting. 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.320 It's like like the odds of your house getting swamped 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.400 or blood like it's a whole different day. But most 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:23.720 of the time there's a it's a big nothing. But 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:25.639 that's why people don't take it seriously. And then they 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.960 got caught with their pants down right. 0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:29.560 Well, you know you got to keep six or seven 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.400 handles on hand at all times in case the wind 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:33.200 bowl is above six. 0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:34.400 Yeah. 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.560 Yeah, my wife's truck would be great. Then here she's 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.200 got golf balls in her go ahead. 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.840 Oh, by the way, hey, milk freezers real well, so 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.200 five gallons of milk is the big deal. You keep 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.439 one out and you put four in the freezer, and 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.520 you take it out three four days before you need it. Man, 0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.640 it works great the case at all. 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.600 What what about all the other stuff? 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:52.680 Is? 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:54.120 How big a freezer are you running there? 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:55.560 Huh? 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.400 Oh, I've got We've got uh, I got, I got 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:01.760 two full sized fridges in a stand freezer. How maybe 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.440 we're contemplating, just the two of us for contemplating buying. 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:09.400 Teeth by the side, there's two of you and you've 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:10.520 got three freezers. 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.399 Oh man, if anything anything we can do keep from 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.040 going to the store and actually, you know, dealing with people. 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.280 But you know, right, you just keep buying more freezers 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.359 and you never take the stuff out of the freezer. 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.879 You just keep buying putting stuff in the freezer. Does 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:25.960 anything ever come out of it? 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:26.280 Yet? 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.600 There there's I will admit there's crapping the bottle of 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.800 the freezer that you know, it's got so much freezer 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:32.200 burned on it. 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:33.840 It's it's just a token. 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:34.800 What do we do? 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:39.360 You're prepared, you may be, you may be over prepared, Keith. 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:44.160 Yes, yes, that's anybody in my family. I definitely over prepared. 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.760 I away I could really use. 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.360 I'm gonna have some col right now. You got milk. 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.120 You're gonna have to wait three days with at the thought, 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.600 but well, I've got great. The milk is fantastic. Appreciate 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.920 you man. Ten minutes away from a news update on 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:56.760 the Big Ones the Scott Sloan Show here on seven 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.400 hundred w LW. Come up at eleven oh seven, little 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.520 pre promote. I don't know if you heard this or not. 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.760 I'm gonna call an audible Dave. Can you can you 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:06.120 go in it? 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.520 Can you see if you can pull that Nickolache song off? 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.200 The full song? I got it in my file there. 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.479 I forgot to tell you, sorry, as I suck at 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:17.720 this job. Uh so nick Lache, Nickolasche and I'm gonna 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.800 ask him, by the way, how Nickolasche became the voice 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:24.880 of the common fan here in Cincinnati. I'm not quite 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:29.120 sure how it occurred. I think maybe the title was 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.040 thrust upon him and he ran with it the scepter 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.680 in his hand. But Nickolasche has come out eleven oh 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:40.240 seven drops a new song about demanding the Brown family, 0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:45.200 the band Mike Brown sell the Bengals. Now that's an 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.920 aggressive stance for a pop singer, for a pop idol, 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.480 is it not. That's a pretty damn aggressive stance. And 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.320 I will say nick Lache he knows the sports though 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:58.000 he is fully invested in Cincinnati sports and a Miami grad, 0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.840 so he's loving the fact that the basketball teams in 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.240 the But anyway, dropped a new song. I'll try to 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:04.040 get a clip here, play for you a second here 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:08.160 in demanding that they sell the team. And if not 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.040 the best song in the world, but it's better than 0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:16.320 either most of these kind of parody things. And I'm 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:18.960 not one to tell someone who has Mike Brown kind 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:19.960 of money what to do with this. 0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:20.680 That's his money. 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:22.960 Now you want to sell the team, that's up to you, 0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:26.240 whether I selled or not. But as a as a 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.239 passionate fan. I mean, I get the inkst I get 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:33.520 the anxiety of the ownership right now. And then you know, 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:35.520 we talked about Duke Tobin and Zach. They're not going. 0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:38.880 The entirety of the AFC North has been fired and 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:40.800 new head coaches are coming in because they can't get 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.400 it done. And yet we're doubling down on Zach and 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.520 Duke Tobin. And yeah, I think we're in good shape. 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:48.600 We can win with the guys we have. 0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:49.600 No, you can't. 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:51.479 You couldn't do that last Well, if Joe Burrow wouldn't 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.240 have gotten hurt, Well, that's part of the problem. He 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.880 got hurt is because of well, the guys you have 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.200 are not good, you know, offensively, there's no reason the 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.080 very least make the playoffs. You know, Marvin went to 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:06.680 what six six wild card games in seven years and 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:09.920 lost them all, and we wanted more, we wanted better 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:11.320 that we're going to do better than that. So that's 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.240 why Marvin went. And we got Zach Taylor. Okay, got 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.240 us to the super Bowl. Great, and now it's regressing, 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:22.080 and so I think it's you know, it's a viable go. Okay, 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:23.560 do we need to change because you can't get over 0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:25.120 the hump? Why can't we get over the ump? There's 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:27.080 a lot of reasons why anyway, here's the song from 0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:27.720 Nicko La se. 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:41.000 Time man again seen a simple whipple say, I ain't 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:42.680 got no plan, no. 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:43.720 No, no, no no. 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.280 I didn't feel like an angry song, doesn't. 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:52.640 Another draft done in team, more and more of the scene, 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:58.600 and it's so it's sort of driving me and say. 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:15.200 Like that baseline was so sat. 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:16.720 Timberlake field, very boys. 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:24.000 Angles, wind stalk amasy, oh, blame me. 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.320 Everything that you've done. 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.400 It just turns out so long. 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:35.280 Time say goodbye. 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:38.600 Just think of your. 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:46.440 Family, take your billions and run to that look go ahead. 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:52.440 Now you're coming at him already thinks this is nickolache Man. 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.120 He's popping off, he's popping up. 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:57.880 Damn yeah. 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:07.480 Bang pretty well produced, but i'd expect that from nickolache 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:14.480 I said, set on my Brown, set my. 0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.200 Brown, breaking it down a little bit nice. 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:24.200 In the name of Joe Bell. Won't you take your 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:25.640 beans and go. 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:28.760 To settle my brown? 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:29.960 Care what you wish for? 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:32.680 The selling my brown. 0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:48.520 On the phone quick two minutes. That's all you get, 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.240 that's all you need. Message sent I don't know the 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.360 message received or not. But coming up at eleven oh seven, 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.800 I'll have Nickolache on the show and ask why the 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.960 hell cook two thingsirst of all, who are you to 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:02.680 tell Mike Brown what to do with the team? 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:03.000 Second? 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:06.880 Lay more Bertley, are you gonna buy it? Nick lache 0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:11.399 buying the team? Nickolasche wants to buy the team. He's 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.560 got that, yeah, man, he's got that ten years of 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:18.200 reality show money. He's got some gash watch out. I 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.279 don't know if he's got NFL money though, But you 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.960 can get a bunch of investors together, and if you 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.399 do sell the team to what's the guarantee it's gonna 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:30.040 stay in Ohio? I think it's a big question anyway, 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:32.319 Nick Lachey eleven oh seven on The Scott's Own Show 0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.640 on seven hundred wwll do news weather is moving in 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.120 one to three to five inches. The panic buying continues. 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.000 We've got you covered here on the Home of the 0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:47.760 Red seven hundred ww Cincnati. But you are an awful person, 0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:51.880 possibly the worst person in the history of persons, because 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:52.480 you eat meat. 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.240 As a meat eater, you're a horrible person. 0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:00.840 That's usually the way militant vegans look at those of 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.200 us who enjoy meat products. And here to persuade you 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.120 to change your ways is doctor John Sambu Matsu. Good morning. 0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:08.440 How are you? 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:09.759 I'm good, God, how are you? 0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:13.200 I'm doing well? Thanks. I'm an omnivore. I like it all. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.000 What do we get wrong about meat? 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.040 Sure? Well, you know I grew up the same way. 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.279 But what we get wrong about meat is what we 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.680 get wrong about pretty much everything else. 0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.600 The problem isn't meat. The problem isn't eating animals. The 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:30.080 problem is what we do to animals. 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.120 And what we do is we inflict mass violence against 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:37.680 them on them. And you know, I'm sure, well, let 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.080 me ask you, do you do care about animals? 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.320 Absolutely? I have a dog love animals. 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:43.440 Okay. 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.800 Now, the thing is when we when we're raised, we 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.400 think of dogs and cats as somehow special. You know 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:52.880 that they're not like other animals, And it's simply not 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:57.399 the case scientifically. How pigs, chickens, sheep and so forth 0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:01.040 are just as intelligent, just as affectionate, just is capable 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.360 of complex emotions as our own cats and dogs. 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:07.919 I mean that's a fact, Okay, I don't discount that. Yeah, 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:12.000 So right now, people don't realize that the system that 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:16.440 we have in place, the food system, is killing about 0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:22.239 eighty billion land animals every year, mostly birds animals, and 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.440 up to two point seven trillion marine animals every single year. 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.520 So there's this enormous mass of violence that has to 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.439 happen in order for us to eat our meat. 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.520 Yea fe And here's why I think most people are 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.000 fine with that. And I'm sure you know this is 0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.480 the fact that, well, the animal kingdom in itself is 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.840 extremely violent. You know, a lion never gets permission to 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.000 eat a zebra thoesn't zero craps about its fields. Now, 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.080 as we get into the manufacturing and the business of 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.560 food manufacturing, including livestock, you know, different story. And I 0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:57.160 understand and I get it that there are some mortal 0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.880 implications there. But we have that we have because of 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.640 a higher learning. We have something that the rest most 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.399 of the other animal kingdom has, and that's a sense 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.280 of morality. There's no morality, that's a that's a human construct. 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:12.160 Well yes, no, Actually, the late primatologists, friends to Wall 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:16.000 and others have done enormous research on this, and they've 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:22.200 demonstrated that feelings of reciprocity, empathy, altruism in fact, can 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.080 be found in many, many, many species, so we i 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:26.120 mean humans. 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:26.759 Arrived on them as well. 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.680 Our sci safety has arrived here about evolved here about 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:32.839 two hund and fifty thousand years ago, So we're late 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:37.759 comers to complex emotions like empathy. So it's true that 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:42.320 only humans can talk about an annual, constant, categorical imperative, 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.880 which is, you know, a moral philosophy. So that doesn't 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:51.040 mean that that they said, you know, sentiments of care, 0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:55.120 sentiments of fairness are not found in other species. Right, 0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.240 if you've ever lived with two cats or two dogs 0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.760 or whatnot, you know there's a kind of negotiating. 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:03.200 Right, But you're but you're equating livestock with domesticated animals. 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:04.360 So that's a false equivalency. 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:06.800 Why is that a false equivalence? 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.960 Well, because in the wild that doesn't exist. Now, you 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:13.520 may have primates that exhibit familial type of situations in context. 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.200 We see that with the late Jane goodall right, we 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.719 see that all the time. But when you're talking about 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:21.960 animals that provide sustenance for for human beings, that's entirely 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.800 a different matter. I mean, maybe within these species itself 0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.359 or within the particular family, like a family of deer. 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:31.719 But again, you know, the tiger or the lion, or 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.280 the predator, be it a hawk or whatever, it doesn't 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.160 give a damn about the feelings of that animal. 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:37.080 It's it's a meal. 0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:39.080 Oh, I see what you're saying. 0:38:39.160 --> 0:38:42.000 Yeah, yeah, sure, But but as you were saying, you know, 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:47.400 we're not obgate carnivores, right, Lions look lions. If there 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:51.480 was a pack of lions somewhere, okay in Africa that 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.719 was debating whether to eat the als or not. And 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.040 this goes to your point about humans, you know, being 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.719 the only species with the kind of discourse about morality. 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.480 Right if one line says the other, hey, Joe, you 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.960 know you know those those gazelle's taste really good. But 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.640 I just I just have a bad feeling about it. 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:11.360 Like I was looking into the eye of that gausel 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:12.920 and I thought, you know what, we're not so different 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:17.600 me and that causeelle and the other and the other 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.880 lines and the other line say, well, you know what, 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:21.160 now they're just so good. 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:22.440 I just want to go on. 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:22.719 Now. 0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.600 The thing is lions have to eat other animals. That's 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.719 just biologically the fact that it's not true and people 0:39:28.800 --> 0:39:31.560 misunderstand what it means to be quote and omnivle. It 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.759 doesn't mean that we have a moral or any other 0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:37.800 kind of license to commit harm against other beings. It 0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:41.000 means that we can metabolize pretty. 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:44.840 Much anything, including I would point out humans, right, I 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:48.840 mean cannibalism, anthropocages, and part of human many men, hundreds 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:52.840 of human cultures for thousands of years eating parts of 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:57.040 the human body. So we can't simply say, oh, it's natural. 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:57.879 It isn't. 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.719 It is no more natural than like downloading Netflix or something. 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.480 It's a cultural choice we make so and there's no 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.440 reason why we have to keep doing this. 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.480 And furthermore, well, okay, let's let's get an argument at 0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:14.600 doctor John Samba Matsu the omnivorous deception, and and the 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.920 premise here is is it the morality of it? Is 0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.000 that the environmental aspect, I mean, is there such a 0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.239 thing as humane meat? Are you saying that's impossible? 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:26.719 Yes, I am saying that's impossible. Look, I mean if 0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:28.680 someone came into your you said you have a dog, 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.120 someone came in. Yeah, someone came into your house, and 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:34.640 you know, bleudging your dog to death or stab your 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.640 dog in the throat or stomped on your dog or 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:39.000 skin your dog alive. 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.279 You would be troump and that was in front of you, 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:42.320 you would be traumatized. 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.279 And I would, But you know when I wouldn't if 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.200 I live in a country that in an Asian country 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.759 where that was looked upon as as a meal, like 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.120 like how those in India look at cows. 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:55.839 Yeah. 0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:59.200 Sure, it's cultural, and it's it's it's it's it's a 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.080 it's a new it's right, it's all fabricated in the 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.200 human mind. We can certainly know, but we can do 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.799 better by being, you know, better stewards of the earth 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:11.200 in the animal kingdom. Certainly, you know, factory farming. We 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:12.800 know that there's a lot of negative, a lot of 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.239 bad things that go on there. But the idea that 0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.360 somehow we just wake up in a perfect world we 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.719 be all vegetarians, isn't Isn't there also a hazard in that? 0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:25.640 No, there's no hazard in it. On the contrary, the 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:29.759 animal food economy is destroying. It's undermining the conditions of 0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:32.879 all life on this planet. It's the most destructive force 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.960 on the Earth in terms of destroying top soil, in 0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:43.680 terms of depleting water, destroying biodiversity, leading cause and massive 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:45.000 distinction crisis. 0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:46.280 Which people don't even talk about. 0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:49.879 And that's even worse than global warming, which animal agriculture 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:53.680 is contributing about thirty percent of greenhouse gases to. So no, 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.520 we have every intens to stop this. I mean, vegans 0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.600 and vegetarians on balance, if you look at all the 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.200 ethical studies, live longer, they do better, they have lower 0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:03.880 rates of parties. 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:05.160 These strokes okay. 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.080 But aren't many people's food choices literally constrained by economics 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:10.160 and culture and geography. 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.239 In a perfect world, you could do that, but this 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:13.959 is not. It's an imperfect world. 0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:18.120 And framing this is an individual moral choice, it ignores 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.520 the issues of food access, agricultural pality, governments, politics, and 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.760 all that other stuff. You're ignoring that, You're you're ignoring 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.160 what creates this, and you can't do that. 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:27.960 No, I can't. 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.480 I can't agree with that. I mean that the food 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.640 insecurity is being created by the animal system because it's 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:37.280 creating enormous disparities of wealth between the North and the south. 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:39.839 You talk, you talk about people, farmers being thrown off 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.120 their land and the Amazon and so forth. To burn 0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:46.760 down the Amazon rainforest by jbs. It suppliers to create 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:51.120 UH to provide beef. It's the most inefficient, wasteful way 0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.279 to create food for humans. But just to correct you, 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.920 I'm not saying that this is a question of individual 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:58.200 moral choice, not at all. 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:02.000 I'm saying that this entire system has to be abolished, all. 0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.160 Of it, because none of it is necessary, excuse me, 0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.120 And all of it is wrong, it's unjust. 0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.239 But again, you keep getting back to the semantics of 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:12.720 the human mind of unjust in these and their feelings 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:13.279 is what they are. 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.239 Morality of sense, but it has no basis in the 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:16.719 real world. 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.400 Well, listen, I keep ethics, so I can't agree with 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:23.279 you on this. I mean when you know you were saying, I. 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:25.840 Don't know every everyone's ethics seem these days to be 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:27.840 up to the individual the eyes of the beholder, So 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.520 I don't know if there's any Well, that's that's moral 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:31.279 high ground here. 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.040 That's called moral relatives. 0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:35.919 And getting back to a question i'd asked you about 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.960 how you would feel if someone attacked your dogs. You said, well, 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.760 and you said, if I'd been raised differently in another culture, 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.960 I might feel differently. That's true, but it's irrelevant because 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:49.080 your your capacity to using your intelligence and your empathy 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:51.960 to understand what had what would have been done to 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:54.719 your dog. You would understand that was unjust, that was 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.719 wrong to do to your dog, and it has nothing 0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:59.719 to do with your cultural upbringing. I'm saying that that's 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.360 act knowledge, that's real knowledge. Whereas people in another culture 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:07.000 who might have been socialized to see dogs simply as 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:12.439 things be exploited and harmed, they are incorrect. You can't 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:14.920 compare those two forms of knowledge and say they're equipment. 0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:19.360 They're not equivalent. You're understanding that your dog has personhood. 0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:20.720 That is to say, is a someone. 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:22.960 Sure if your dog is a human right, but that 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.440 is that is that's a valid insight Scott, that you 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.160 have having lived with dogs. That's not true. That's not true. 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.200 Okay, But again it's you're taking out. 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.200 I suppose there are people who love pigs or eels 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:37.080 or whatever it might be, and we look at it going, 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.360 I don't get it, it's not for me, but that 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:41.640 that in itself is human nature. How do you propose 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:45.120 you well, I guess before we get to that, John, Yeah, 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.279 the idea so in apperfect. What would happen to the 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.960 animal kingdom, we just let the animals run. What would 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.520 there be any justification for killing animals, whether for pleasure 0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.440 obviously hunting would be out with you, but for a 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:58.080 food source. 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.120 Do we just let the animal kingdom run its af. 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:04.200 Yeah, let's have a moratorium on the harm that we're committing. 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.759 I just said that we're killing twillions of animals per year. 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.000 We're wiping them out like sharks. 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:09.520 You know. 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.600 I asked my students sometimes how many humans are killed 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:15.520 by sharks every year? And you know, interestingly, they get 0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:17.560 that about like they say about you know, between ten 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.239 and fifteen humans are killed by sharks every year, and 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:24.080 we think the sharks are scary, dangerous, irrational creatures. Right, 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.480 there's the fiftieth anniversary year of Jaws. But then I 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.160 asked them, well, how many sharks are killed by humans 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:34.800 every year? And they guess, oh, thousands, No, thousand, Okay, 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:39.399 it's one hundred million. It's one hundred million sharks every 0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.880 year are being killed by humans. And those are intelligent, 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:46.759 sensitive creatures and we don't even know. People don't even 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:48.680 know that because they're considered. 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:50.919 Because of a Steven Spielberg movie. 0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.560 Well, Spielberg's need to have a huge had a huge impact. 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:59.439 Right, So the sharks sin supernat But listen, my point 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:04.920 is this, other animals are interesting, intelligent, They're worthy of 0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:06.520 our respect and our compassion. 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.400 They're worthy of our love, you know, And we shouldn't destroy. 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:12.719 We can't let me. We can't love what we seek 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.879 to destroy. So yes, hunting, fishing. 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:17.600 We don't need any of that. There've been vegetarians for 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.840 three thousand years, vegan diety, so it's. 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:22.080 Slio only like ten to twenty percent of the population. 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.560 I mean, if your idea was so sound, why wouldn't 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:26.880 we see more of it, especially not just in developed 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:27.800 nations but elsewhere. 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.920 Well, it's not as though, you know, the best ideas 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:32.319 went out. 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.920 Look, Jesus came up two thousand years ago and said, hey, 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.279 let's you know, love your brother. 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:38.800 So they killed him, you know, and how have humans 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:41.080 been doing since then? Right? Whatever? 0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:43.879 You know, Martin Luther King, hey let's let's have love, 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:45.879 racial equality and end to war. 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.920 And they killed him too, like right, because. 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:52.480 There's no because there's no universal I mean, we like 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.000 to think there's a universal morality speaking of the Bible, 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:57.120 but it's not. And that's why we have we have 0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:00.080 human conflict, which is outside the scope of this conversations. 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:05.000 We're talking about eliminating the meat economy, So no, no 0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.560 killing of animals and a prof in doctor John's world, 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.560 we don't have. We have animals just living their lives grazing. 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.160 What do we do so then we would need obviously 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:15.760 more crop Well, I don't know if we more crops, 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.360 we still need crops to survive. How do you balance 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.640 the fact that the animals would just eat the crops 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.160 and how would you keep those animals in check from 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:24.000 eating all your crops. 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.480 Well, first of all, you know, we this idea of 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:32.040 wild nature basically had ceased to exist because we've we've 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.040 turned the entirety of the world into a kind of 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:34.680 prison house. 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:39.160 Ninety ninety six percent I believe. 0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:42.359 Of all mammals on the Earth by biomass by weight, 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:46.840 excluding humans, are our prisoners waiting slaughter. Ninety six percent 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:52.520 on the entire earthmall birds on the planetact are our 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.600 prisoners waiting slaughter. So, and the thing is, if we 0:47:57.000 --> 0:48:00.600 if we stopped raising animals, we've closed down the speed loots, 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:03.200 we would be able to reforce the earth that would 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:04.160 sequester up. 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:06.879 But if you let these animals just simply go Okay, 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.000 you're free. Now you're released from this prison that you 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.719 just said. Won't they just continue to breed and if 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:13.680 they breed, they breed up to the point where they 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:17.200 can sustain life, which means eating our food supply. How 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:19.399 do you balance that out? If the animals run wild 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.520 and you're not allowed to kill them, John, what's going 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.280 to prevent them from eating all our food? 0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:26.600 I think that you know, it's a serious question to 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.200 ask what we're going to do with the existing animals 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:33.280 we're brought into them, you know, uh, sexually reproduced, mutilated 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.240 in order to bring into the world for our purposes. 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.759 That's that's a legitimate question. But what I'm saying is 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:45.160 we should stop sexually reproducing keeping confining new animals because 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:48.680 we could, we could save this out, this out. 0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:50.920 Well, while with the old animals continue to breed, and 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.719 you're not answering the questions like they're just going to 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:54.840 eat all our food, aren't they? 0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.160 They're not going to eat all our food. They're already 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.160 eating first of all, the the food that's being grown. 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.719 It's not being grown for human consumption. It's being grown 0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:06.440 to create profits for you know pargy. 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.080 Now, and we also the fact that we like it's profit. John, 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.359 But I like a steak. I know you don't. 0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:15.239 But steak, chicken, fish, foul, I'm a big fan, is 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.239 about ninety eighty to ninety percent of the rest of 0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:17.480 the world. 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:18.520 So don't diminish that. 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.640 Yeah, sure, but you know, there's such a thing as 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:27.440 moral enlightenment, and that's what I'm talking about here. I'm 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.040 talking about you said you like, well I did too. 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.160 I used to like that stuff. But the human talent 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.360 is plastic, it's malleable. 0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:36.719 I don't miss any of that stuff, you know, having 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.920 made that transition forty years ago. Seriously, I mean, if 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.359 you talk to anyone who's actually made that transition, they 0:49:43.400 --> 0:49:44.120 don't look back. 0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:47.000 It's simply right. I mean people, well, but. 0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:49.600 That's not you. That's not all vegetarians are I mean, 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.560 vegans a different class. But plenty of people who have 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:54.560 experimented with that said, yeah, it's just not for me. 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.399 I don't feel well. I enjoy having maybe less meat 0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:58.239 but still eating meat. 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:02.239 Well, we're talking about different kinds of goods here, right, 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.800 which I mean you're you're talking about pleasure, you know, 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.440 having a an aesthetic preference on the one hand, and 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.680 I'm talking about something that's deeply deeply wrong, deeply deeply wrong. 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:16.160 It's simply, deeply, deeply wrong to inflict unnecessary violence, extreme 0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:21.360 violence on other beings, helpless, defenseless, intelligent beings, is simply 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:21.960 wrong to do. 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.399 Then have a conversation with tigers and lions. Well, will 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.000 they listen to you? Will they just eat you? 0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:31.640 Well, as I just said, you know, we're not oppigate 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.040 carnivores and we can we have a choice, right, I mean, 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.479 how you saying Leonardo da Vinci and Jane You mentioned 0:50:37.560 --> 0:50:39.960 Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall was a vegan, She advocated the 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.520 vegan Was she was she crazy? 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:43.360 Was she? No? 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.839 But but you think people who eat meat are that's 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.319 the difference. I respect your decision. But do you think 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:50.920 that I'm some sort of criminal against the world because 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:51.880 I enjoy a steak? 0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:52.920 That's crazy? 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:54.440 Well, I don't think. 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:56.520 I'm not saying you're a criminal, but I'm saying that 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:58.520 it's wrong. Yeah, And I think that you should think 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:01.920 about it and make it and and do something differently 0:51:02.040 --> 0:51:03.080 about with your life. 0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:03.239 I do. 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.200 I think that's that's true. And I think it's true 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.320 that people who don't reflect in this matter are missing 0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.520 something very important. I mean, I begin my book by saying, Look, 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.760 people think the question of need and eating animal product 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:15.400 is trivial. 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:16.600 What could be more trivial? 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:18.279 Right? I'm sure on your talk show you have a 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.759 you know, lots of debates about a lot of really 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:25.319 important topical issues, right, and your listeners, you know, take 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.720 these issues seriously. This is the one where you cannot 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:30.800 talk to anyone without them going holistic. If a vegan 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:33.600 is in the room and says, hey, here's the system 0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:37.319 of math, violence, of degradation and cruelty, and I don't 0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:39.839 want to participate in that. If we even say that, right, 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:40.759 fine with that. 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.759 No, I respect your No. I can't say for the 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:45.560 person who may be listening to this right now y'all 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.360 get their radio. But I know I totally was. I 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.400 don't think I was disrespectful. I'm challenging, but I respect 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.359 your viewpoint. I understand where you're coming from. 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:55.759 No, No, I'm not saying no. I appreciate that. 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:57.800 I'm not saying you, but I'm just saying that general 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:01.439 vegan people get not they go. They're very defensive about 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.960 this because they do not want to examine the issue. 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:06.480 And I just ask people read my book and keep 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.480 an open mind. Just read the first chapter of my 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:10.480 book and keep an open mind, and I think that 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:14.040 what will happen. You'll see things a little differently. That's 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:16.000 what I'm trying to do, is people to understand that 0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:19.000 this is something that matters. It's not to be dismissed. 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.799 And you know, with bad arguments, you know, I get 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.520 so many bad arguments, Well what about carrots? Carrots are 0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.080 alive too, you know, what about it? Or what about 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.200 you know, the line with the gazelle. That has nothing 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.560 to do okay, whether we should keep pigs and kill them, 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.280 there's nothing. Just what the lines do with their business, 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:38.960 you know. And I'm saying there's nothing to do with uh. 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:39.960 I think it does. 0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:41.560 I just think we have a lot of humans, a 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.759 lot of time on our hands and Google an AI, 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.880 and I think we sit around worrying about stuff that 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.239 previous generations probably didn't worry about it. I'm not saying 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:51.960 we can't be better with the environment. We need to 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:54.520 and and better stewards of the animal kingdom, for sure. 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:58.680 But yeah, I don't really have much qualms from aray 0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.240 a morality standpoint about eating meat. 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:05.279 But again, it's not about Leney. But it's not about 0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.239 eating meat. It's like, how can you how can you 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:09.759 be indifferent, Scott? How can you be in different to 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.960 this incredible violence and pools that's being inflicted on billions 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:15.280 and billions of your fellows. 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:17.960 If I eat meat, then I'm mortally implicit. I'm guilty 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.920 of the the you know, quote unquote crime that you're intinuating. 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:22.880 But hey, I gotta get going if doctor Johnson, But 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.520 I'm not sure. I really enjoyed the conversation, the ominimor's deception, 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:27.680 what we get wrong about meat, animals, and ourselves. 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:30.279 Lots of think about there. All the best, got luck 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:31.680 with the book, and thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:33.320 Thanks a lot, Scott. 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:37.080 Yes, the age old debate about meat. Should I eat it? 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:38.000 Should I not eat it? 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:41.160 Am I eating the face of a poor animal that 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.800 has been raised in horrible conditions by horrible people with 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:48.840 horrible intent? That is making the planet more horrible? Some 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:49.759 people believe that. 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.400 Other people believe, Hey, you know what my ancestors did, 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:54.719 It were wired that way. It is all good. 0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:57.440 I'm going to tell you next why he might get 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:01.640 his way and your thoughts on this whole thing too, maybe, uh, 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:05.040 you're not ready to give up a drumstick yet, and 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.000 I'll probably from your cold dead hands. That's kind of 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.359 how I feel. But what's the future role. We'll get 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:14.680 into that right afternoon. Sloaney on seven hundred WW. Sloony 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:16.840 here seven hundred WW. God knows how I am a 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:23.000 creature of advertising marketing, but got our friends from Fox 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:26.719 nineteen Ken ken Baker's on kicking with can Man and uh, 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:31.960 Friday is froz O Day. Frozen yogurt tans doing this 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:35.799 thing from a yogurt place like I. You know, I'm 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.600 sure you scheduled this ahead of time because it takes concembla, 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.239 But I don't know how many people are rocking on. 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.600 You know what I need today with the three five 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.279 inches coming, Gotta get some frozen yogurt in me. 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:47.719 Maybe soup, I don't know. 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:48.080 I don't know. 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:49.440 I would tell a man do his job. He's good 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:50.200 at it. He's good at it. 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:53.359 Sloane here on seven hundred wlw Uh, speaking of food 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.719 related things, just got off with doctor John Sun Bamatsu 0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:59.160 has a book out about why We're all evil if 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.759 you eat meat. And the idea is if you eliminate meat, 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.919 the world will be a better place. And I'll play 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:05.440 that game a little bit, because then we get into 0:55:05.440 --> 0:55:07.680 the you know, and I was guilty of a two that. 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:10.480 You know, a tiger doesn't really care because they don't 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.160 have empathy, they don't have feels like we do, as 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:16.759 to why they would eat in another animal. It's simply sustenance. 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.759 And the argument about humane treatment always comes up too. 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.000 And the problem isn't eating the animals, right, it's about 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:27.000 factory farming, okay, because there's damage to the earth, the 0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:31.279 eCos for everything suffers because of our dependence on meat. 0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:34.440 All right, Well, let's play the game a second. I 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:36.000 don't have time to get into it with him, but 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:41.200 this is about affordability largely drives all of us. I 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:43.080 don't care how third world you might be, but it's 0:55:43.120 --> 0:55:46.080 an issue of supply Demand's about affordability. And we said 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:48.239 that as capitalists here in America, or at least our 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:50.320 version of it anyway. But let me explain a second. 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.400 So the problem is factory farming. Get away with the 0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:58.359 factory farms, and some, not all, will admit that, Hey, 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:02.640 you know, if you did like locally raised, locally sourced materis, 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.320 that's great, that's awesome, locally sourced, okay, But what happens 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:09.360 if you get away from the factory farming and the 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:13.040 problems that factory farming has, Well, what winds up happening 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:15.480 is no one can afford the product he mark. So 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.360 ultimately is that your goal kind of like, you know, 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:22.200 by taxing the crap out of gas, by getting rid 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:24.440 of parking in Cincinnati, drive the cost of it up, 0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:26.919 and therefore it's like, well, maybe now this will push 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.279 you towards public transports, It'll push you towards an ev 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:32.319 right because the gas prices, you're going to get rid 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.680 of that gas guzzling suv or big truck. Why we 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:37.880 because gas is now it's incredible, it's ten dollars a gallon, 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:40.200 So you're gonna get small cars. I mean, that's you know, 0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:44.520 how we rearrange the economy through policy in order to 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:47.040 force people to do what normally we don't want to do. 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:51.239 And that's used by both Democrats and Republicans. But let's 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.040 just consider ford All went away. First of all, you 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:58.480 would have a massive black market emergence as you did 0:56:58.560 --> 0:57:00.680 when we banned the good idea of hey, we need 0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:03.560 to ban alcohol in America. What's the worst that could happen? Well, 0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:06.439 people die from bathtub gin. Well you had the rise 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:10.799 of gangsters. Well you had you know, in a time 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:14.440 we need to need it. You had job loss, okay, 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:16.520 and the same thing would happen here. You'd have black markets, 0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:19.760 you would have massive job think of the ranching, meat processing, dairy, 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:25.120 leather goods, food manufacturer supply chains would collapse, and you 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:27.960 have these rural communities. What's left of rural communities are 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:33.560 built around livestock operations. It would face an incredible economic collapse. 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.080 And you're talking around the globe, probably tens of millions 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:39.920 of jobs. And what are the transferable skills? If you're 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:44.280 a rancher too, what are you going to do? And 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:49.439 not only that, you have immigrant labor, largely immigrant labor. 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.160 People the lowest rung of the American totem pole hoping 0:57:53.200 --> 0:57:56.480 to get their foot up are in the meat processing workforce. 0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:59.560 So you know, I'm sure that the same folks worry 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:03.720 about vulnerable populations, that's a pretty vulnerable population. And what 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.160 about all from a business side, you have these huge 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:10.800 capital investments in slaughterhouses and processing facilities, refrigeration storage, what 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:14.800 about people who service those things? The financial system would 0:58:14.920 --> 0:58:18.160 absolutely blown apart if you just simply said, okay, that's it, 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:21.720 we're going to a factory farming. And I think you 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:24.840 know the other things too, is the products the byproducts 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:29.120 from animal agriculture are used in different industries, so it 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:32.960 wouldn't just be in that sector, be in I don't know, 0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:36.880 pharmaceuticals for example. You know insulin historically we get from pigs. 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:39.520 How do you replace that on the scale you need 0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:44.200 to replace it? Did you think about that? And the 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:46.040 act is like, well, we just returned the land of 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:49.960 mother nature. Okay, so the grazing land and I don't know, 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.120 you know, in Montana, for example, we got a lot 0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:55.560 of range out there, you know, the pastures or in 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:59.120 Scotland for them in the Scottish highlands, so you just 0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:03.040 can't convert that to grow soybean. You're pretty limited in 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:06.040 what you can develop on that land. And so the 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:09.240 land becomes unproductive, what happens to the asset and the 0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:14.160 value there and the control grazing on the same so 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:16.600 is used for land management. So you know, we were 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.680 about wildfires, Well, wouldn't we have more fires because you 0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:22.200 don't have the animals that are eating that stuff if 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:24.840 you just simply reverted the land back to mother nature. 0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.200 I mean, there are a lot of conservation efforts depend 0:59:28.280 --> 0:59:31.080 on livestock to maintain those habitats, and if you removed 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.360 all the animal agriculture, you have these the new set 0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:38.400 of unintended ecological consequences. So we're trying to avoid all 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:41.240 the pitfalls of factory farming, the waste by products and 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:44.440 the demand on the environment and greenhouse gases. Okay, oh 0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:45.959 well and good, But the other side of that would 0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.080 be what I just described here. We'd have a different 0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:52.240 set but a holy new set of problems, not only 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:53.720 for humanity but for the environment. 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:59.000 So what are you solving? You're just trading one problem 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:02.720 for another. It sounds like, and. 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:07.160 You know, I get there's a humanitarian principle here and 1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:09.080 how we're treating the earth and all that stuff, But 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:11.120 you know, there is a factor that we have and 1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:15.080 not only that, if you look at factory farming, the problem. 1:00:15.720 --> 1:00:17.080 The problem is the factory farming. 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:18.360 But what did that mean? 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.920 So industrial agriculture as we know it, factor of going 1:00:22.960 --> 1:00:24.840 from the locally sourced stuff like we have now. And 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.240 if you're wealthy and you know you're educating, you can 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.040 afford it. You can afford to go to a store 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:32.640 and buy all vegan, all you know, locally sourd stuff. 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:34.040 That's great, but it's going to cost you a lot 1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:36.880 more money that most people don't have. And so what 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:41.760 happened was industrial agriculture increase meat and dairy and egg production, 1:00:42.000 --> 1:00:44.120 and it dropped costs because you're doing it in scale. 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:46.040 So I mean, if you think about it, you go 1:00:46.160 --> 1:00:49.800 back to nineteen hundred, a chicken was a luxury. That's 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:51.720 why you know Sunday dinn we're having chicken on Sunday 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.000 because maybe the only day of the week he got meat. 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:57.720 Because I think I saw this in I think nineteen hundred, 1:00:57.800 --> 1:01:03.320 for example, a whole chicken would cause to eight day's wages. Today, 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.080 I'm going to go to Costco and get an entire 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:11.800 roast chicken for six dollars six bucks. That is an 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:14.200 incredible Now we're all paying the prime. You know, back 1:01:14.240 --> 1:01:16.200 to the human suffering going on. We're all eating or 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.600 we're killing ourselves with a knife and fork. Sure, but 1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:22.920 the access of protein which we know is critical to 1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:25.680 our livelihood, was unknown back in the day. 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.800 Well everyone was thinned back that. Yeah, because food was 1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:32.280 a luxury. Man. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that water, 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:33.640 clean water was a luxury. 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:38.240 That's why people were in soldiers a ration ale because 1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:39.880 it was clean. You know, you weren't going to get 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:41.360 sick from drinking contaminated water. 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:42.040 So they drank. 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:44.200 Wow, they got drunk while they're fighting. No, it's because 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:47.240 if you drink, you'd get sick and die dysentery. We 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:50.200 don't have that problem anymore. And I mentioned you know 1:01:50.320 --> 1:01:53.240 the pigs and the insulin. Well, we've got evolutions and 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:56.040 genetics and veterinarian medicine and all these things because of 1:01:56.640 --> 1:02:02.520 our need for animals. So you can make a case 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:05.080 that the human condition got better now. Granted, there are 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:07.920 people around the world still starving. That's the great paradox 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:09.600 of the world is that we've got all those food 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:11.160 and even in our own country, right, we waste a 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:13.880 lot of stuff. But my god, a couple of generations 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:16.040 they'd be looking at like, man, you guys hit the 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:16.760 jackpot here. 1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:20.439 You can get a hold chicken for six bucks. Yeah, 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:21.680 it was you know certainly. 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.800 I wouldn't say in someone's lifetime right now, be like 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:27.000 you one hundred and twenty six years old. But yeah, 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:29.680 certainly your parents, great your grandparents for sure may remember 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:33.280 those days, or great grandparents for that matter. Anyway, careful 1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:35.160 what you wish for, you might just get it. I 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:37.800 think that is the takeaway from the we need to 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:40.360 close the factory farms down. It's like, okay, let's just 1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:43.200 wave a magic want to do that, although probably would say, well, 1:02:43.440 --> 1:02:44.720 you're not good. You're going to do with the course 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:48.160 of decades and yeah, but if the needle moves slowly, 1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:51.320 I don't think it's going to change at all. And 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:52.840 I think the way they get what they want is 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:55.160 to simply make everything so costly you have no afford. 1:02:55.440 --> 1:03:00.120 You know, you have no other way to eat and 1:03:00.200 --> 1:03:03.320 survive than to scrap to eat, you know, with the 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:05.600 diet they kind of want. But does that what does 1:03:05.680 --> 1:03:07.360 that look like for our country? What's that look like 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:07.800 for our world? 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:08.320 For that matter? 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:11.080 Again, you trade one problem for different ones. That's that's 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:11.479 an issue. 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:13.520 At five with three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand and two, 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:15.800 Robin and Oxford on the Big One, Good morning, how 1:03:15.800 --> 1:03:17.400 are you hi? 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:18.280 Scott, how are you. 1:03:18.440 --> 1:03:18.840 I'm good. 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:21.000 I listen to you quite a bit when I'm not working. 1:03:21.720 --> 1:03:24.200 I call myself quite a bit and I'm not working either. 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:25.120 We have that in common. 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:27.280 You talk. 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:30.320 I talk almost as much as you do. Anyway, I'm 1:03:30.520 --> 1:03:35.360 totally with John I everything you just said. I enjoy 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:38.360 your show. I agree with you on a lot of topics, 1:03:38.400 --> 1:03:43.040 but not this. You're you're you're skirting around. You're like 1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:46.400 diving in and out of the whole reality of the issue. 1:03:46.560 --> 1:03:51.000 What's the reality is what gives us human beings the 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:53.840 right to eat another sensement being. I used to live 1:03:54.080 --> 1:04:00.200 on a cowl a beast cattle farm. Okay, I know 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:04.000 when my ex would take the cows that he was taking. 1:04:03.800 --> 1:04:06.960 To slaughter out of the pastor. I mean you have 1:04:07.160 --> 1:04:09.560 to see it to believe it. And the others, I 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:11.160 mean they form communities. 1:04:11.240 --> 1:04:14.360 The others would new and cry all night. I've been 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:17.920 to a slaughterhouse, you know, the Paul McCartney. I'm saying, 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:21.560 if squatter house has had glass walls, people wouldn't eat meat, 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:25.400 and the whole, the whole. This is like I've never 1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:27.880 called into you, but this is like this is by 1:04:27.960 --> 1:04:29.160 the hot top of you. 1:04:29.880 --> 1:04:30.440 You're fired up. 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:30.920 I love it. 1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:37.560 I am fired up the very firing personality. So you're okay. 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:39.960 I'm sixty eight years old. You can look me up 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:43.520 on Facebook. I don't have any heart disease. I don't 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:46.440 have any blood pressure issues. I'm not diabetic. 1:04:46.920 --> 1:04:50.560 And if people look, I worked as a center director 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:54.720 for years for Jenny Craig. The obesity, the heart disease, 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:59.360 the diabetes in our country is is so disgustingly out 1:04:59.400 --> 1:04:59.880 of control. 1:05:00.160 --> 1:05:02.120 No, let me let me jump in. Let me jump 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:03.520 in a second. Here a couple of points you made. 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:04.760 Number one is on the Jenny Craig. 1:05:04.800 --> 1:05:05.040 Okay. 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:08.240 Part of the problem is it's not the factor eating meat. 1:05:08.280 --> 1:05:11.160 It's a factorating highly processed food. That's the problem that 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.720 that has a lot to thriveboard. So it's not it's 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:15.520 not a meat debate. And the other thing is he said, 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:18.080 what gives us the right Well, the fact I can't 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:19.520 see what I'm doing right now. Can you see what 1:05:19.520 --> 1:05:21.040 I'm doing right now? You probably can't see. I have 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:24.440 an opposable thumb. And as as a human being, it's 1:05:24.520 --> 1:05:27.560 survival through sustenance. That is nothing new. I mean, we have. 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:35.440 Without eating it. No I don't believe that at all grained. 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:41.280 And that's a bunch of ship without meat and the 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:42.920 and I probably. 1:05:42.560 --> 1:05:44.960 Spend half of what you need eat ors eat at 1:05:45.000 --> 1:05:46.680 the spend at the grocery store. 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:48.080 I see, I may, but. 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:53.120 But you may go spend a lot of money, I 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:55.320 don't know, makeup or something. I look at you and go, 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:57.200 why do you need all that money? You can't tell 1:05:57.200 --> 1:05:59.480 other people what to spend the money. I'm hey, I 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:00.920 got a rob I gotta go. I appreciate I wish 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:03.400 would have called earlier. That's pretty good, Robin and k Oxford. Thanks, 1:06:03.440 --> 1:06:05.240 so listen. I gotta get to a news update' run 1:06:05.240 --> 1:06:06.400 a little bit late. We got to switch it up. 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:08.480 Was off of because nick Lache is waiting and he 1:06:08.600 --> 1:06:09.560 is trashing the Bengals. 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:10.440 Nickolasche our. 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:14.160 Nick Lache is calling demanding that Mike Brown sell the 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:18.360 Cincinnati Bengals. We'll find out who Nickolache is to demand 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:21.880 someone sell something that they own. That's next on the show, 1:06:21.920 --> 1:06:23.840 seven hundred WW Cincinnati. 1:06:26.560 --> 1:06:28.040 Super Bowl sixties all set. 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:31.360 You got the Atriots back again, you got the Seattle 1:06:31.440 --> 1:06:32.600 Seahawks back again. 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:35.800 The Bengals are not back again. The Bengals. 1:06:35.840 --> 1:06:39.280 It's been five years since our Bengals went to the 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:42.720 Super Bowl and Nick Lache has had enough. He just 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:45.320 dropped this song on social This is. 1:06:50.760 --> 1:06:52.440 In the name of j Barrow. 1:06:54.560 --> 1:06:57.080 Who should take your bells and go. 1:07:07.720 --> 1:07:21.120 On the phone. Well, damn, damn share. 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:23.760 That's baby making music. That's not a diss track. That's 1:07:23.840 --> 1:07:24.760 baby making music. 1:07:24.800 --> 1:07:27.480 You got there, Well, maybe we killed two birds who 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:29.960 wants thumb make some babies and people off? 1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:31.400 Wow that there you go? 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:33.360 Well wow, how did I? How did I come into 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:36.680 the sword? Well, it was because the Bengals suck. That's 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:37.680 how you were born. 1:07:38.040 --> 1:07:40.840 That's how something, something good should come out of them. 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:43.960 At this point, what's going on? 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:44.800 Where are you right now? 1:07:44.840 --> 1:07:45.480 You're in l a. 1:07:47.360 --> 1:07:47.400 A. 1:07:47.520 --> 1:07:49.840 Okay, so you're smart because it's too damn cold to 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:52.160 come here and do this live right. 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:54.960 Yeah, I'm talking to my family back back east and 1:07:55.200 --> 1:07:57.600 it is absolutely freezing cold. So uh yeah, I'm not 1:07:57.880 --> 1:07:58.680 I'm not jealous of that. 1:07:58.840 --> 1:08:01.120 Yeah, missing we're jealous of you. We got snow today too. 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:05.440 So how to help nickolaiche H? How did you become 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:08.440 the de facto voice of those long abused Bengals fan? 1:08:08.480 --> 1:08:09.200 How did this happen. 1:08:10.120 --> 1:08:13.280 I'm a long abused Banks fan, you know. It's it's 1:08:13.320 --> 1:08:15.880 been I guess, about forty five years since I first 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:18.479 started watching the Bengals, and I've been on the same 1:08:18.680 --> 1:08:21.200 you know, roller coaster that everyone else in that city has, 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:23.680 and man, I don't know, it just felt like enough 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:26.160 is enough. It's it's uh, you know, we've been so 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:28.519 beat down in the fan base, and I feel like 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:30.400 at this point, most people they're just like, well, I 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:32.320 guess it's just the way it's going to be for 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:34.560 my life, and we'll get them next year. And I 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:36.519 just I feel like it doesn't have to be that way, 1:08:36.600 --> 1:08:39.320 you know. And I think people have started to lose hope, 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:42.000 and even worse, I feel like eventually the players start 1:08:42.040 --> 1:08:44.479 to lose hope, and you get you get the Carson 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:47.479 Palmer situation where players, you know, just want out. It's 1:08:47.520 --> 1:08:49.720 just it doesn't have to be that way. And and 1:08:49.800 --> 1:08:51.840 so I just was trying to find a fun, kind 1:08:51.840 --> 1:08:55.360 of interesting way to express all that dissatisfaction. And I 1:08:55.479 --> 1:08:57.960 love writing writing music, It's what I do obviously, so 1:08:58.040 --> 1:08:59.360 I figured this is a good way to kind of 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:01.519 get my get my feelings out. Breck cathartic. 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:05.400 Yeah, yeah, you have an opportunity to that. Most of 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:08.240 us don't, all right, So it's not the first time. 1:09:08.320 --> 1:09:10.040 I mean I've been around long enough to remember the 1:09:10.160 --> 1:09:13.759 nineties and that that dire straight when fans were showing 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:16.000 up to games with bags of their heads asking Mike 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:19.639 to sell the team. Then what's changed in those last 1:09:19.680 --> 1:09:20.200 thirty years? 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:24.320 Nothing, nothing's changed. I mean I think every now and then, 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:25.760 and I said this in my in my post a 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:27.960 few weeks back, when you know, when they announced they 1:09:28.000 --> 1:09:30.760 weren't making any changes to to to any of the personnel, 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:33.439 to the coaching staff, to you know, Duke Tobin was 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:35.360 coming back. I mean, I just said, this is ridiculous. 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:39.760 We have totally accepted losing, and our ownership is not 1:09:39.920 --> 1:09:42.080 interested in winning. I mean, I think it's just purely 1:09:43.680 --> 1:09:45.679 what bigger sample size do we need at this point 1:09:45.720 --> 1:09:48.040 than you know, the thirty five years that he's run 1:09:48.120 --> 1:09:51.519 this team. I mean it's absolutely We've had eight winning seasons, 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:54.200 eight in thirty five years. Yeah, yeah, I mean you 1:09:54.280 --> 1:09:56.280 can it's just dumb luck. And I said that, I said, 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:58.479 every now and then we catch finding at the bottle 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:00.880 might making Super Bowl when a playoff game, and it 1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:03.519 keeps us to the fan base on the hook. But 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:05.720 I think we have to start to demand more. I mean, 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:09.160 this is a football rabid city. We all know that 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:12.680 we love football, We love our Bengals, and unfortunately our 1:10:12.680 --> 1:10:15.080 Bengals don't love us back. And that's you know, that's 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:18.040 an abusive relationship, quite honestly, and and he needs to 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:19.840 be called out for it. I mean the proof is 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:22.040 in everyone's in the analytics these days, right, It's all 1:10:22.080 --> 1:10:24.960 a numbers game. In terms of the numbers. Mike Brown 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:28.600 is a loser. He's a He's a historic loser. I 1:10:28.680 --> 1:10:31.760 didn't realize that Bengals set an NFL record for the 1:10:31.880 --> 1:10:35.240 fewest games needed to reach two hundred losses. I mean 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:39.320 it's historic losing that we've all been witnessed to and 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:42.679 quite frankly, have financially supported for the thirty five years. 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:45.439 I mean, people, can you know, they're harder money. They 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:46.920 take their harder money, go out to sit in the 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:50.880 cold and watch what he refuses to improve as a 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:53.280 product on the field, and it just it's it's ridiculous. 1:10:53.400 --> 1:10:55.840 Well, but but I will say this, I think you're 1:10:55.880 --> 1:10:58.439 looking Nicklas ain't the wrong damn scoreboard to the best 1:10:58.479 --> 1:10:59.880 stretch arguably, and they might. 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:02.320 Brown tenure was the Marvin Lewis hera. 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:05.200 Six way had six wild card appearances in seven years, 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:08.360 but six eliminations in those wildcard games never advanced. 1:11:08.600 --> 1:11:10.360 But you're looking at the wrong scoreboard. 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:13.200 The value of this team, Nick is five point five 1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:16.040 billion with a buff of an initial investment I think 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:19.080 of eight million dollars. That's a sixty nine thousand percent 1:11:19.240 --> 1:11:24.160 return since nineteen sixty seven, or twelve point four percent annually. 1:11:24.280 --> 1:11:26.840 That's better than the market average of ten percent. Are 1:11:26.920 --> 1:11:28.200 you looking at the wrong scoreboard. 1:11:29.360 --> 1:11:31.200 No, I'm looking at the right scorebard, which why I'm 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:33.360 saying sell the team and take your five point nine 1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:36.559 or whatever it is billion, and walk into the sunset 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:39.040 and let someone else take over the team who's interested 1:11:39.120 --> 1:11:41.760 in winning and interested in creating a winning culture for 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:43.880 the people of Cincinnati. That's what we deserve as a 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:46.280 fan base. That's what the Bengals deserve, the players deserve. 1:11:46.840 --> 1:11:49.960 You've shown clearly you're not interested in providing that, you know, 1:11:50.560 --> 1:11:53.400 in establishing a winning culture. Mike Brown's not interested in 1:11:53.479 --> 1:11:56.080 doing that. He's interested in the numbers. You just dropped 1:11:56.120 --> 1:11:58.479 he's interested in what the team's worth. So sell it 1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:02.160 and walk off into the sunset and let another ownership 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:03.720 group come in who can who can try and do 1:12:03.800 --> 1:12:06.200 it the winner in Cincinnati. I know everyone's worried if 1:12:06.240 --> 1:12:08.719 Mike Brown sells the team that the Bengals are leaving Cincinnati. 1:12:08.920 --> 1:12:11.920 I don't think the NFL is interested in the Bengals 1:12:12.000 --> 1:12:14.160 leaving Cincinnati. It's good for the NFL to have a 1:12:14.160 --> 1:12:16.600 team in Cincinnati. It's good for the city. It's not 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:19.120 There's plenty of other ownership groups that could come in, 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:22.000 build a winner and keep it right there in Cincinnati. 1:12:22.040 --> 1:12:23.160 It doesn't have to be one of the others. 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:25.800 Could you move it to Well, Cleveland needs a football team? 1:12:25.800 --> 1:12:26.799 Could we move to Cleveland. 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:30.360 Wow, they've got a football team that may be even 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:33.599 worse than ours. Sat again starts. 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:34.160 Yeah. 1:12:34.200 --> 1:12:36.760 The minute we start comparing ourselves to the Browns, we're 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:39.439 in really bad stage. So you know what the bottom 1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:43.519 line is, we have a probably not probably in one 1:12:43.600 --> 1:12:47.120 hundred percent. We have the most incredible quarterback in the 1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:49.240 history of our franchise who's in the prime of his career. 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:51.479 And what I'm afraid of, and I think what the 1:12:51.520 --> 1:12:53.080 people is sin Satiy should be afraid of, is that 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:55.160 he's going to get frustrated to the point of saying, 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:56.880 you know what, I can't take this anymore. I want 1:12:56.920 --> 1:12:58.320 to win and it's not going to happen here, and 1:12:58.400 --> 1:13:00.160 I want out. And I think we saw shit. Is 1:13:00.200 --> 1:13:01.599 it out a little bit this year though, even though 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:04.000 he would deny it, But this is the this is 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:07.000 the prime moment. I thought, like many people did, that 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:09.599 when he came, he's a perfect quarterback for our team. 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:13.880 I O kid, And there I thought the whole thing 1:13:14.000 --> 1:13:16.120 was gonna change that finally the Bengal was gonna find 1:13:16.160 --> 1:13:18.439 a way to redefine who they were as a franchise. 1:13:18.520 --> 1:13:21.000 And here we are, you know, four or five years later, 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:23.679 feeling like the same thing is happening all over again. 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:26.200 And it's just it's it's really sad, honestly. It's just 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:29.040 that for the people who have supported this team, you know, 1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:32.439 so passionately and loyally for for decades, and you know, 1:13:32.680 --> 1:13:36.960 he put through the same cycle of futilities, it's unfortunately, 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:37.280 all right. 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:39.519 Nickola, do you want you want to buy this? As 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:41.000 if that says are you trying to leverage him? So 1:13:41.080 --> 1:13:43.000 you can squeeze and help buy this team. Maybe not 1:13:43.120 --> 1:13:46.000 just I mean, you've got that ridiculous love is blind money. 1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:48.839 I get that, the ninety eighth agreement, ridiculous ten seasons. 1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:51.479 Now you're gonna shoot a here. You're a multi uh 1:13:52.000 --> 1:13:53.680 I don't. I can't even count that high. You got 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:55.519 all this money, You're gonna buy this seam. You're gonna 1:13:55.520 --> 1:13:57.479 get some friends together. And this is about the leverage 1:13:57.479 --> 1:13:59.000 and Mike brought out so you can swoop in and 1:13:59.080 --> 1:13:59.599 save the day. 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:02.400 I wish that was the case. I wish I had 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:04.640 anything close to uh to the money would take to 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:06.519 buy an enough a French No, of course not. 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:07.360 I'm a fan. 1:14:07.400 --> 1:14:08.800 At the end of the day, I'm a fan, and 1:14:08.880 --> 1:14:10.599 I want to see this team when I've been through 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:13.040 the heartbreak I've been, I've been at the playoff games. 1:14:13.040 --> 1:14:14.960 I've seen the futility. I've been you know, been to 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:17.599 the Super Bowl, I've watched it all happen. I'm a fan, 1:14:17.680 --> 1:14:20.479 and I would love to see this horrible cycle that 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:22.400 we've been living in as fans. I'd like to see 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:24.320 it change. And I think that's never going to change 1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:25.840 as long as Mike Brown is the owner. 1:14:26.200 --> 1:14:28.080 What makes you think somebody somebody else comes in and 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:30.680 buys it. I don't know, private equitever the hell it is? Uh, 1:14:30.760 --> 1:14:33.000 And it's not you're involved in this thing. I mean, 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:35.600 it could be they want up moving the team, or 1:14:35.680 --> 1:14:37.160 maybe careful what you wish for. 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:38.160 Maybe it does get worse. 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:38.960 Is that possible. 1:14:40.000 --> 1:14:41.760 I don't think it's possible for it get for it 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:44.240 to get worse. Honestly, I think you know you can. 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:47.400 You can luck yourself into a playoff appearance every few years. 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:49.640 I don't think that that's I don't think that's a 1:14:49.720 --> 1:14:51.479 fear of it getting worse. But I do think that 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:53.479 And I think people with sinstantia are are right to 1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:55.280 be a word, you know, worried about this, that someone 1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:57.240 would come in and move the team. I just don't 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:01.160 think that's gonna happen. I've I've got strong, strong feelings 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:03.439 that the NFL does not want to see the team move. 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:05.519 I don't know if the NFL would would mind and 1:15:05.640 --> 1:15:07.439 that ownership change. I mean, look at Buffalo. You know, 1:15:07.479 --> 1:15:09.840 they've they were sold. Rob Wilson, you know, passed, and 1:15:09.920 --> 1:15:11.800 they sold the team and now they're building a new 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:15.280 stadium and the team's you know, for a playoff, you know, contender. 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:17.599 So I mean, it doesn't mean the team has to move. 1:15:17.680 --> 1:15:20.280 Cincinnati is a great football town. I mean, look, my god, 1:15:20.320 --> 1:15:23.280 we've supported a team that's been horrible. We've been selling 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:25.840 out that stadium for for for decades on on on 1:15:26.040 --> 1:15:28.320 horrible products that are being praded out in front of us. 1:15:28.720 --> 1:15:31.000 I mean, what more do you need to see, you know, 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:33.760 as an owner than that. It doesn't mean the team 1:15:33.880 --> 1:15:37.679 is moving and leaving Cincinnati if the ownership changes. Also 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:40.040 what they watched. But that's what they watch to think though, right, 1:15:40.120 --> 1:15:42.639 I mean, it's your base, you know, mentality like hey, 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:44.680 well yeah, don't take the team, just we don't. 1:15:44.680 --> 1:15:45.479 We don't care what it looks like. 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:47.360 Just don't take our teams. Don't take our team. I 1:15:47.439 --> 1:15:49.120 think that's that's kind of what we've been, you know, 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:52.160 like a bludgeoned into into believing it's not it's not 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:53.080 necessarily the case. 1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:54.920 Here's what, here's why I don't think that's true. 1:15:55.000 --> 1:15:57.280 Right, there's the Art Modell rule with basically said when 1:15:57.360 --> 1:16:00.760 Art Modell moved the move to Baltimore and subsequent win 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:02.400 a Super Bowl, to tell you how curse Cleveland. 1:16:02.760 --> 1:16:04.439 Maybe the state is with professional football. 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:06.920 I don't know, but they enacted the Armada, so meaning 1:16:06.960 --> 1:16:09.160 if you take public money that you've got to give 1:16:09.160 --> 1:16:12.280 them six months to get a Ohio ownership group together 1:16:12.360 --> 1:16:14.240 to buy the team at fair market value. That's what 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:16.920 it says. So they just took public money. By the way, 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:20.360 seventy four percent of the money to redo pay Corps 1:16:20.680 --> 1:16:22.880 is from the tax payers. The other twenty four twenty 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:25.280 six percent is from the Bengals in the NFL. So 1:16:25.600 --> 1:16:27.800 kind of a minimal investment right there. But you know, 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:30.680 only in Cincinnati we celebrate we're getting screwed, but we're 1:16:30.680 --> 1:16:32.719 getting screwed less than we did in the nineteen nineties 1:16:32.760 --> 1:16:33.960 with that horrific stadium deal. 1:16:34.680 --> 1:16:36.599 Yeah, I mean, I've got the best stadium doing the league. 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:36.960 They. 1:16:37.240 --> 1:16:39.000 I mean, up until about ten years ago, when the 1:16:39.120 --> 1:16:43.080 NFL implemented a floor to the salary cap, the Bengals 1:16:43.120 --> 1:16:45.519 were spending less than anybody else in the league. Like 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:48.000 it's because of the revenue sharing. They're making all kinds 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:49.800 of money and they're not even pumping it back into 1:16:49.840 --> 1:16:52.160 their own roster. It wasn't until the NFL changed the 1:16:52.320 --> 1:16:55.479 rule to force teams like the Bengals to actually spend 1:16:55.560 --> 1:16:58.080 the money on their players that they even did that. 1:16:58.560 --> 1:17:00.000 I mean, there's no more. 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:02.760 Evidence we need to see that this ownership group does 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:05.519 not care about winning. They simply don't. They care about 1:17:05.680 --> 1:17:07.800 all the numbers you illustrated earlier with the team's worth 1:17:08.200 --> 1:17:11.479 so great, I mean, what a phenomenal investment you inherited. 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:14.240 Take it and run. Let somebody else come in who 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:15.160 cares about winning. 1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:19.160 Nick Lashey, do you think that the Bengals care about Cincinnati, 1:17:19.240 --> 1:17:19.880 care about the fans? 1:17:22.160 --> 1:17:25.280 I mean, what evidence do you see at how active 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:27.479 are they in the community. I mean, what about all 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:30.559 the great foundations they know? I don't think they care 1:17:30.560 --> 1:17:33.559 about Cincinnati at all. I mean, and if they did, 1:17:34.240 --> 1:17:36.439 it would be about more than just money, right, Yeah, 1:17:36.520 --> 1:17:38.280 I mean this team is a part of the fabric 1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:41.200 of the city and everyone in that city wants to 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:44.720 see him win. Everyone but the people who need to 1:17:44.800 --> 1:17:46.160 want to see them win, and that's the owners. 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:46.479 Yeah. 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:48.720 Well, I'll say this. I had a council member Mark 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:51.920 Jeffries late last week on my show and we were 1:17:51.960 --> 1:17:54.880 talking about it. Kind of I didn't see this coming, 1:17:54.960 --> 1:17:58.200 but we're talking about one of his initiatives is youth 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:01.160 football in the city. As you know, it's very expensive 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:03.400 to rent fields at CPS because of crime. You have 1:18:03.479 --> 1:18:05.839 to have armed security and you run it from CPS. 1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:08.600 No youth football teams can afford that. You don't have 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:10.439 that in the suburbs. You got that in Cincinnati. So 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:13.599 he brought up the fact that you know the Reds 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:16.080 obviously with the Reds Community Fund and the Urban Youth 1:18:16.120 --> 1:18:17.040 Academy does great. 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.120 FC's doing that with you soccer. 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:21.679 And then he brought up the Bengals and said, look, 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:24.439 the Dallas Cowboys at the top of the league, nine 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:26.639 million dollars a year. They give back to the city 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:28.760 of Dallas, to the community. The Packers do about a 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:31.040 million and a half. My Bills do about a million. 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:31.280 One. 1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:36.040 Seattle does six hundred and sixty two million. Cincinnati last 1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:38.760 year thirty thousand dollars, and the year before that, in 1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:42.880 twenty twenty three was zero. Now, granted, you can do 1:18:43.000 --> 1:18:46.040 charitable donations and they're very generous. When I understand privately, 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:48.240 they don't want the they don't really want the attention. 1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:51.360 They just want to do it from from a philanthropic 1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:55.400 perspective as opposed to getting credit. But when you're pooning 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:57.120 up the money where for a stadium, you've kind of 1:18:57.160 --> 1:18:58.560 got to make the effort. You kind of got to 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:00.960 make it known that you're doing. How easy it would 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:03.600 be for them to lean into youth football in Cincinnati, 1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:05.920 as the Reds did with baseball and FC would do 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:07.000 with soccer. 1:19:07.720 --> 1:19:09.800 To your point, there's some ammunition here. 1:19:11.200 --> 1:19:12.760 I think it's I think it's an incredible point you 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:14.320 just made, and it's one that a lot of people 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:15.920 don't pay attention to. I mean, there's a lot of 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:18.479 there's a lot of criticism of the Reds and and 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:21.559 but baseball and football are two totally different. The animals, 1:19:21.600 --> 1:19:23.439 you know, the structure of those sports is totally different. 1:19:23.560 --> 1:19:26.840 The banks have absolutely zero excuse. They're making billions and 1:19:26.880 --> 1:19:28.320 as I said in my post a few weeks back, 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:31.840 billions on the backs of hard working Sincnati's and you're 1:19:31.840 --> 1:19:35.040 going out there and spending their money on supporting this team. 1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:38.840 But we've we've made this family billions of dollars, and 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:40.840 what have they given back to the community and the 1:19:40.880 --> 1:19:44.080 city that's doing that and supporting them. It's next to nothing. 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:46.720 I mean, they don't care. I can't say it any 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:49.360 more clearly, they simply don't care. They don't care about winning, 1:19:49.520 --> 1:19:51.519 and I don't think they care about the city of Cincinnati. 1:19:52.600 --> 1:19:54.519 I think the evidence is and everything you just said. 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:56.880 I mean, they care about making the money, and they've 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.479 done it time and time again, and we've supported it 1:19:59.600 --> 1:20:00.920 time and time again. 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.040 Nick Lache, you're you're not the first person to say, hey, 1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:06.519 sell the damn team already, and I'm load to tell 1:20:06.560 --> 1:20:08.640 people to do with their own damn money, because at 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:10.479 the end of the day of tickets, I think we 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.080 are like two one point two percent off season ticket 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:15.360 sales year over year, which is, you know, it doesn't 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:17.000 sound like much, but in the NFL world, it's a lot, 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:18.400 a little bit of a dropping. Some of the teams 1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.760 are doing that as well. People are still showing up 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:22.160 for the product. Isn't that the issue? 1:20:23.560 --> 1:20:24.200 That is the issue? 1:20:24.240 --> 1:20:26.080 I mean, I think the people are scared to say, hey, 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:28.040 we're gonna we're gonna, you know, we're going to vote 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:29.760 with our pocket but you know, so to speak, and 1:20:29.800 --> 1:20:31.320 we're going to boake out the team and we're not 1:20:31.360 --> 1:20:32.560 going to show up well, and then he's going to 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:34.120 take the team away. He'll move the team to San 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:36.400 Diego and we lose our team. That's the that's the 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:39.479 fear based model that we're operating in year in and 1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:41.680 year out. And I think it's time that we kind 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:43.800 of have to demand more. I mean, we have to 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:46.880 have an expectation of winning, or an expectation of at 1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:51.040 least running up front. Our scouting department is the smallest 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:53.559 in the league. I mean, we clearly showed we can't 1:20:53.600 --> 1:20:56.280 evaluate talent, and we can't evaluate college talent. We can't 1:20:56.320 --> 1:20:58.760 even evaluate our talent. I mean, look at wwarth a 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:02.360 few years back. The unatty wanted to stay here and 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:04.280 Mike Brown told him he thought his best years were 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:06.680 behind him. You know, well, go ahead, sign somewhere else. 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:09.679 He goes on times with the Rams, there's a perennial Hall. 1:21:09.560 --> 1:21:12.320 Pro and wins the super Bowl of the year. 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:14.320 We can't even evaluate our own town. 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:15.400 It's a joke. 1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:19.000 If we spend no money to that, I shouldn't say 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:21.799 we they spend no money to invest in the scouting 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:24.920 department that can start to evaluate town or coaching staff. 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:29.000 But we just accept losing just another year and today 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:29.920 it's just it's nuts. 1:21:30.240 --> 1:21:32.560 Well, the good news is Reds Baseball is not that 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:35.720 far far away. You got your Hano Suarez back in 1:21:35.760 --> 1:21:38.960 the lineup. But the bullpen looks good, the rotation looks good. 1:21:39.160 --> 1:21:41.120 You got depth on the outfield, you got depth in 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:43.680 the bench. Better days are ahead for the Reds and 1:21:43.720 --> 1:21:44.840 the Bengals. Is that what you're saying? 1:21:46.280 --> 1:21:49.240 You know what I mean, it's there's all enohing but 1:21:49.360 --> 1:21:51.200 hope on the horizon, right. I mean, it's like when 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:53.599 baseball season start. But gosh, I mean, at the end 1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:55.280 of the day, the great baseball town, it's also a 1:21:55.280 --> 1:21:58.240 great football town. And and this city deserves they deserve 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:01.320 more again, man, I mean, Brown family has made so 1:22:01.400 --> 1:22:04.120 much money on the backs of Cincinnatian's great. 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:04.640 Good for you. 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:07.120 Let somebody else come in and buy the team. Who 1:22:07.200 --> 1:22:09.200 cares about winning? Because it's clear to me, and I 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:11.920 should be clear to everybody that the Brown family simply 1:22:12.040 --> 1:22:14.479 does not. So you know, I mean, if you care 1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:15.560 about Cincinnati, prove it. 1:22:15.680 --> 1:22:18.280 You know, why should they listen to Nick? Why why 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:19.080 should they listen to you? 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:23.040 Oh, I'm absolutely sure they're not listening to me, nor 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:25.360 will they listen to me, you know, I mean, there's 1:22:25.400 --> 1:22:27.439 no one who can force themselves. Sure they can you know, 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:30.760 continue to do what they do, and they probably will, 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:34.759 but it's not right. Don't pretend you care about Cincinnati, 1:22:35.040 --> 1:22:36.960 you know, pretend you care about the city of Cincinnati 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:39.599 and all those things, when this is how you operate 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:42.599 a team that means so much to the people of Cincinnati. 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:45.000 No, it's not just the It's not the Bengals. I mean, 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:45.839 the Reds were suffering. 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:47.840 Who saw what happened in LA you watch those games 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:50.439 live nick liche and getting swept. 1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:52.160 But hopefully this year they do better. 1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:54.000 But again, we don't know what the season is gonna 1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:56.439 wind up coming to, for what's going to happen at 1:22:56.439 --> 1:22:57.880 the end of the season. I guess I should say, 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:01.080 do you see Bearcats aren't very goodavior is getting better, 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:03.800 but not very good. All our hopes and dreams right 1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:06.640 now are centered on Oxford, to the Miami RedHawks and 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:07.720 the undefeated team. 1:23:07.720 --> 1:23:09.400 Everyone's going nuts for Oxford. 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:11.880 The only the only like like feel good moment, and 1:23:12.080 --> 1:23:13.760 FC is going to start at Vander may wind up 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:15.880 leaving that he may get bought away by bigger teams, 1:23:15.880 --> 1:23:16.800 slawed by bigger fish. 1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:17.479 That's a problem. 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:20.759 And so I look around and go damn Cincinnati sports 1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:23.559 sucks right now. It's it's tough to be optimistic. Maybe 1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:26.519 save for the Reds, We're always optimistic here. The biggest, 1:23:26.560 --> 1:23:28.840 you know, the biggest sports news was the last go 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:31.479 week is the fact that our boy John John had 1:23:31.520 --> 1:23:33.360 a half court shot at the Miami game. 1:23:34.360 --> 1:23:36.640 I asked him what what AI for he used to 1:23:37.000 --> 1:23:39.240 pull that one off? And he claimed to me that 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:40.920 it was it was the actual footage. But hey, let 1:23:40.960 --> 1:23:42.840 me give a quick shout out to my my red Hawks. 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:46.679 Before the summer of ninety five, this joy ninety degrees 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:48.800 and start my musical career. But the year before that, 1:23:48.880 --> 1:23:51.360 I was at Miami and I was the athletic trainer 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:55.519 for men's basketball, and we went to the tournament, won 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:58.560 the first round games. The great team. Guys who know 1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:01.599 Miami knows like Devin Dave name hate me and Derrek 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:03.719 Cross and so it's great to see I know everyone 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:05.599 knows the Wall, the Zerbeakers, but it's great to see 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:07.240 Miami basketball back. 1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:08.080 On the on the maps. 1:24:08.120 --> 1:24:09.160 The shout to those guys are. 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:12.720 Killing yeah, yeah, absolutely, And of course the legendary that 1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:15.120 would have been legendary Charlie Coles back. 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:16.160 And work in the day. 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:20.120 Well, Look at this, Look at this coaching roster. It's 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:24.639 Hurtsdick is a huge, Sean Miller assistant, Charlie Coles assistant, 1:24:24.680 --> 1:24:27.479 and then Sad Motto was the restricted coach. Ye at 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:29.479 one point all four of those guys were D one 1:24:29.920 --> 1:24:31.640 head coaches. Is unbelievable. 1:24:31.840 --> 1:24:33.719 And now you got Travis Steele leading them to glory. 1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:35.760 We'll see what happens with the uh with of course 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:38.120 the tournament coming up. Uh, he's Nick Lache. 1:24:38.360 --> 1:24:38.479 Uh. 1:24:38.560 --> 1:24:40.479 And again you go to our our social fee, go 1:24:40.520 --> 1:24:43.000 to the seven hundred w W seven hundred WW or 1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:44.439 if you follow Nick on social. 1:24:44.800 --> 1:24:44.920 Uh. 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:47.040 The video and the song are out there, and of 1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:48.880 course uh, I just played a clip of it. Will 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:50.960 probably play a little bit more when you leave. Nick 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:55.040 Lache is demanding, he is demanding the Bengals be sold 1:24:55.400 --> 1:24:56.639 or else or else. 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:58.600 I can't wait to hear what the or else is. 1:24:59.320 --> 1:25:02.320 I'm encouraged. I'm encouraging. And again, you know, it's a 1:25:02.600 --> 1:25:05.240 it's a tall, tall order. Probably won't happen. But man, 1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:07.240 at some point I think that the fan base, we 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:10.160 as a fan base, have to we have to demand 1:25:10.200 --> 1:25:12.479 a little more. It's just I mean, it's just abusive 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:14.560 at this point, and they don't seem to care. So 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:17.320 maybe maybe this little, this little ditty I. 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:20.720 Wrote away from you no no more, no more sacrificing 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:23.120 than Nicholas, our brother. I appreciate you checking in man. 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:25.599 Thanks, yeah, thanks for having God. 1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:26.160 It's hard. 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:27.880 It's hard to tell people what to do with their 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:30.400 own damn money. But if your name has Cincinnati in 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:33.479 the front or back of the jersey, uh, there's a debt, yo, 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:35.479 I think to the community, and Nick is pissed off, 1:25:35.520 --> 1:25:35.960 and I love it. 1:25:36.040 --> 1:25:39.040 Sloany seven hundred w all time to. 1:25:39.240 --> 1:25:42.240 Talk about money, how to make it, how they keep it, 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:49.479 and how to keep others off your stack. This is 1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:53.600 all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer Money on Tuesday. Tuesday's 1:25:53.640 --> 1:25:55.160 Money Day Here on the Scotsland Show. 1:25:55.200 --> 1:25:58.479 Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial jumps in to talk 1:25:58.560 --> 1:25:59.920 about the White Death. 1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.519 It's good way you can work from home today. Huh yeah. 1:26:03.720 --> 1:26:06.040 Unfortunately, I'm going to be in the office most of 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:07.920 the day to day. All right, but I don't mind. 1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:09.360 I have a four x four I can get around 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:11.080 you go, look at you go. 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:16.760 I took my wife's SUV today and I'm sure if 1:26:16.760 --> 1:26:19.000 you're you know, women listening to this thing. I'd probably go, okay, 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:21.799 you're not wrong about that. I pulled another parking garage 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:24.640 this morning, Andy, and I look in. I'm like, you know, 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:26.120 I got a couple of erranster are on the way back. 1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:28.800 Does she have where's a snowbrush? Let me get it ready, 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:30.800 you know? And so I'm looking through I find it. 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:32.880 I'm not kidding you. I found an empty shoe box. 1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:37.000 I found one shoe. I found two sandals. I found 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:40.559 two golf balls. I found a measuring tape. I found 1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:43.160 some sort of looks like something she was going to 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:46.880 return they received in the bag was dated September. I 1:26:47.000 --> 1:26:50.280 found a scratch off lottery tickets, an empty can of gum, 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:53.559 three charging cords, a partridge in at paratree. 1:26:53.640 --> 1:26:55.840 Not one damn snowbrush to be found in the whole vehicle. 1:26:56.120 --> 1:26:58.360 Yeah, I mean I can relate. My wife's car looks 1:26:58.400 --> 1:27:00.680 like a yard sale blew up in there soon. You know, 1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:01.639 that's kind of how it goes. 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:03.840 I guess, I don't know, don't I don't get not 1:27:03.960 --> 1:27:04.559 being prepared. 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:06.840 But she did have gas in the tank. That's first 1:27:06.920 --> 1:27:08.840 I give her credit. There was almost a full tank 1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:11.120 of gas. So God bless her. Let's get into the 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:14.760 money stuff this morning, Andy, and the big one. You know, 1:27:14.920 --> 1:27:17.000 I'm kind of wonky. I don't know why I'm so 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:21.760 caught up in this whole Project Vaulting that we're doing. 1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:23.479 And this maybe outside your scope of what you want 1:27:23.479 --> 1:27:25.040 to talk about this morning, but I don't care. I'll 1:27:25.080 --> 1:27:27.880 just throw I'll feel snowballs at you here. It has 1:27:27.920 --> 1:27:30.479 to do with the rare earth minerals, and so Trump 1:27:30.600 --> 1:27:34.040 is launching a twelve billion dollars strategic stockpile of critical 1:27:34.120 --> 1:27:37.280 minerals so we can ease our dependence on Chinese supplies 1:27:37.320 --> 1:27:40.240 and protect our domestic manufacturers and most important, of course, 1:27:40.280 --> 1:27:43.240 our national security, so we don't have to get rare 1:27:43.280 --> 1:27:45.880 earth minerals, which are needed for pretty much everything we 1:27:46.000 --> 1:27:49.080 run these days. That's technologically advanced China, as we know, 1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:52.200 the world's largest producer. They're about seventy percent of do seven, 1:27:52.240 --> 1:27:54.599 about seven percent of the extraction, ninety percent of processing. 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:57.920 And I think it's interesting we are president that's finally 1:27:58.040 --> 1:28:00.599 willing to move forward and do something about this and balance. 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:04.000 Yeah, I think it's important. What Project vault is a 1:28:04.080 --> 1:28:07.599 public and private partnership. You know that it basically will 1:28:07.640 --> 1:28:10.920 buy and store critical minerals and rare earth minerals. You know, 1:28:11.040 --> 1:28:13.400 gallium and cobalt are a big part of that. They're 1:28:13.600 --> 1:28:16.760 essential for modern technology and defense equipment. And it will 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:19.880 combine about one point sixty seven billion and private seed 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:23.080 funding and another ten billion from US government's Export Import Bank. 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:25.519 And so, you know, I think what's happening here is 1:28:25.680 --> 1:28:29.000 essentially Donald Trump recognizes that we are dependent on a 1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:31.560 lot of rare earth minerals from China and from a 1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:34.519 military perspective that funds a lot of our you know, 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:37.080 defense contracting and builds a lot of the projects that 1:28:37.200 --> 1:28:40.040 we're working with. We need to be impendent independent. So 1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:42.040 I think this is important, all. 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:43.800 Right, Yeah, And that's how we need to file the 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:46.280 two because all the noise out there with you, whether 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:48.839 it's ice or now, we want to federalize the elections, 1:28:48.880 --> 1:28:50.479 and I think some of these important things and good 1:28:50.520 --> 1:28:53.360 things get get you know, ground out and overshadowed by 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:55.759 those those polarizing comments. 1:28:55.800 --> 1:28:57.400 And so you know, stuff is getting done. 1:28:57.479 --> 1:29:00.120 And Greg, granted, we have got another government shutdown on 1:29:00.840 --> 1:29:02.680 which maybe by the time we're talking to this guy 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:04.240 I don't know right now. They may be opening things 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:06.040 back up, who the hell knows. But this is the 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:07.960 kind of stuff, This is important stuff that we really 1:29:08.040 --> 1:29:09.479 need to pay attention to, and that's going to sound 1:29:09.479 --> 1:29:11.600 so good for the economy. Yeah, and you already have. 1:29:11.680 --> 1:29:14.360 A dozen companies that have kind of already joined the initiative. 1:29:14.479 --> 1:29:19.679 You have General Motors, Boeing, Corning, ge Google, So there's 1:29:19.760 --> 1:29:22.840 a lot of global commodities trading firms that are also 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:24.360 on board with it, that are going to be handling 1:29:24.400 --> 1:29:28.360 it like Heart Treat Partners, Tracks these North America and others. 1:29:28.439 --> 1:29:31.519 And so everybody's taking this seriously. So I don't really 1:29:31.520 --> 1:29:33.320 see a whole lot of pushback on this because I 1:29:33.360 --> 1:29:35.200 think it's very clear why this is important. 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:38.040 Okay, let's pivot here to the big story on Wall 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:38.639 Street today. 1:29:39.920 --> 1:29:43.880 President Trump, of course nominating the next FED chair, and 1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:45.599 he was talking about getting rid of the guy now, 1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:47.160 and it was like, well, let's just wait, because you're 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:49.400 gonna not need to guy's coming in any way. And 1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:51.360 the reason the president's a clear he wants the FED 1:29:51.400 --> 1:29:54.639 to have policy support economic growth is because of things 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:56.840 like price stability, and you know whether or not we 1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:58.559 balance that with the labor market expansion and. 1:29:58.560 --> 1:30:02.000 The like, and then his nominee is not that guy. 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:02.960 Can you explain what's going on? 1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:06.599 Yeah, Kevin Worsh. He was a former banker and Federal 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:10.000 Reserve governor. He previously served as an economic advisor to 1:30:10.040 --> 1:30:13.400 both President George W. Bush and President Trump. And it's 1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:17.439 interesting because you saw gold and silver and precious metals collapse, 1:30:17.960 --> 1:30:20.240 and a lot of that had to do with investors 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:23.360 believing that Kevin Worsh is actually more of a hawk 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:26.760 And what that means is is somebody on the Fed 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:31.719 Board of Governors that believes in low inflation as opposed 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:36.479 to job growth and the health of the labor market 1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:39.559 in general. They're more focused on getting inflation under control. 1:30:39.720 --> 1:30:42.400 And so originally what we thought was that Trump was 1:30:42.479 --> 1:30:45.360 going to nominate somebody like Kevin Hassett for the job 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:48.240 who would be widely looked at as somebody that would 1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:51.040 be a pawn of Donald Trump's and continue to cut 1:30:51.200 --> 1:30:53.800 rates and do what Donald Trump wanted. And so when 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:56.680 Kevin Worsh was announced, I think the markets were in 1:30:56.760 --> 1:30:59.920 a little bit of a shock because his history is 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:02.479 more of a hawkish tone and keeping on inflation under control, 1:31:02.800 --> 1:31:04.560 and what that means for the gold market is is 1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:08.599 gold and silver and precious metals typically are investments where 1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:12.400 investors flee to as a hedge against inflation. So when 1:31:12.520 --> 1:31:14.920 he was nominated and it looks like he's going to 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:16.800 attack inflation and that's going to be kind of his 1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:20.000 main focus, obviously, it triggered a sell off in gold 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:22.679 and precious metals. And once that occurred, then the snowball 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:25.240 effect came. You know, you have futures contracts that are 1:31:25.240 --> 1:31:28.519 starting to need to be covered, you have margin calls 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:31.320 that are starting going on the price decline. As far 1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:34.920 as gold and precious metals are concerned, ets, everybody starts 1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:37.679 to sell. And that's why you saw the deep decline 1:31:37.720 --> 1:31:39.720 and precious metals over the last couple of weeks is 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:42.080 largely you had to begin with the fact that Kevin 1:31:42.160 --> 1:31:44.040 Worrish was nominated. Now, I do think this is a 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:48.000 good nominee because investors believe that he will remain independent 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:51.639 of the pressures of Washington, d C. And so from 1:31:51.680 --> 1:31:53.120 a big picture point of view, I think this was 1:31:53.160 --> 1:31:53.599 a good call. 1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:56.720 Okay, And we saw the you know, we saw the 1:31:56.760 --> 1:31:59.599 market bounce back because of that day yesterday, Yeah. 1:31:59.439 --> 1:32:01.040 And it was great, you know, and a lot of 1:32:01.080 --> 1:32:03.120 that had to do with the fact that, you know, 1:32:04.360 --> 1:32:07.200 when we see everybody flee to precious metals gold, silver 1:32:07.280 --> 1:32:09.800 and whatnot, a lot of it has to do with uncertainty. 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:12.960 And it looks to it appears that we have a 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:15.400 trade gear deal in place with India, and that was 1:32:15.800 --> 1:32:17.720 some of other big news. We've been working with them 1:32:18.120 --> 1:32:19.920 for months to try to come up with something and 1:32:20.040 --> 1:32:22.960 essentially we had twenty five percent tariffs on their goods 1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:26.800 and another twenty five percent tariff on you know, their energy, 1:32:26.920 --> 1:32:29.040 and largely what we wanted them to do is stop 1:32:29.160 --> 1:32:32.120 selling oil to Russia and fueling you know, the war 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:35.640 in Ukraine. And so when Modi decided to make a 1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:38.320 deal there, we were able to reduce tariffs back to 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:41.400 eighteen percent, so that went from essentially fifty percent to 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:44.320 eighteen percent, and they agreed to stop selling. 1:32:44.160 --> 1:32:44.920 Oil to Russia. 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:48.280 And so anytime that we get, you know, some news 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:51.479 that removes the uncertainty, not only from a tariff point 1:32:51.479 --> 1:32:53.640 of view, but from a geopolitical point of view, the 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:56.160 market's generally like that. We have a more clear picture 1:32:56.240 --> 1:32:58.960 now the economy is in fairly good health and so 1:32:59.200 --> 1:33:01.160 naturally the market is going to respond favorably. 1:33:01.640 --> 1:33:03.840 Yeah, and every day it is something new, and I 1:33:03.920 --> 1:33:06.000 think for most people, and we keep track of this stuff, 1:33:06.000 --> 1:33:08.320 it's kind of our jobs, Dandy Schaeffer. Most people don't 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:10.720 have time for that. And you know, the noise and 1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:13.519 all the attention and you know, jumping up and down 1:33:13.560 --> 1:33:16.519 screaming tends to overshadow these big things. But it's a 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:18.240 rare earth mental thing or what we're talking about here. 1:33:18.640 --> 1:33:20.840 The world's not ending. Yeah, well, that's part of the 1:33:20.920 --> 1:33:21.840 job that I really love. 1:33:21.960 --> 1:33:23.720 You know, My job is to reduce the stress of 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:26.080 my clients, letting them know that we have a close 1:33:26.120 --> 1:33:28.519 eye on not only this type of news, but how 1:33:28.560 --> 1:33:30.679 it affects the markets and how it affects the economy 1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:32.639 so they can go about living their lives and enjoy 1:33:32.760 --> 1:33:36.400 retirement and gallivan all over the world. And you know, 1:33:37.000 --> 1:33:39.840 I enjoyed this type of uh, this type of work. 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:42.760 I love having a focus on, you know, what the 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:45.680 economy is doing and how these decisions are affecting the 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:48.320 markets and and our livelihood in general. And so I 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:50.479 try to make you know, try to sift through a 1:33:50.520 --> 1:33:53.400 lot of the minution and provide some clarity. And you know, 1:33:53.520 --> 1:33:56.040 that's that's that's part of what makes me proud to 1:33:56.080 --> 1:33:56.519 do my job. 1:33:56.680 --> 1:33:59.320 So what you're saying is capitalism isn't dead, is what's 1:33:59.360 --> 1:33:59.600 going on. 1:34:00.320 --> 1:34:02.120 I read a story today a guy said we're actually 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:04.280 capitalist and died, we haven't noticed yet. And now we're 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:06.879 in like a tech oligarchy where the big tech companies 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:10.120 will control everything, elections, parties, all that stuff, and we 1:34:10.200 --> 1:34:11.799 will be holding the money's all in the cloud. 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:14.400 Well, I mean, you know, worsh even mentioned that he 1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:18.720 saw productivity gains, particularly in AI. Keeping inflation contained is 1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:21.479 you know, part of his goal obviously, but he will 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:24.000 allow the father lower rates without sacrificing you know, the 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:27.840 credibility of interest rates. And so the markets really kind 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:31.280 of look at it and say, okay, well, we'ren't unmoved 1:34:31.320 --> 1:34:33.599 by all of this. You know, the pricing future cuts 1:34:33.680 --> 1:34:36.240 didn't really budge, and so you know, we're still looking 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:38.720 at potentially one or two cuts this year. And I think, 1:34:38.960 --> 1:34:40.640 you know, that's been on track with what we've been 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:43.320 looking at, you know, going back the last six months 1:34:43.400 --> 1:34:45.320 or so. One I think I think the probably the 1:34:45.400 --> 1:34:46.960 next one we're looking at is probably in June. 1:34:47.000 --> 1:34:47.160 Okay. 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:49.760 Well, by the way, when is that peaceful transfer of 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:52.920 power from Jerome Powell to warsh Well, he's. 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:56.000 You know, he's schedule to take over on May fifteen, 1:34:57.080 --> 1:34:59.000 but you know there's some political pressure there. You know, 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:01.400 you have a center named Tom Tillis. He's a member 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:04.160 of the Senate Banking Committee, and he made a statement 1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:06.960 suggesting he would kind of support Walsh, but reiterated that 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:10.000 you know, he's not doesn't want to advance any FED 1:35:10.080 --> 1:35:15.280 nominations until the DOJ's investigation Engage investigation involving Chair pal 1:35:16.280 --> 1:35:18.880 and the remodeling of the whole Federal Reserve building thing 1:35:18.960 --> 1:35:20.920 is resolved. So you know, there still needs to be 1:35:21.000 --> 1:35:23.360 some approval process there. But I think this one will 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:25.960 go pretty smoothly because I think both sides of the aisle, 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:28.839 you know, have a lot of confidence in Kevin. 1:35:28.680 --> 1:35:31.040 Worsh Okay, So we'll wait till May fifteenth to see 1:35:31.080 --> 1:35:33.439 that transfer. And meanwhile, the head of the FED is 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:34.520 just holding steady. 1:35:34.880 --> 1:35:37.519 Yeah, holding steady. The target range for the FED funds 1:35:37.600 --> 1:35:39.479 rate remained at three and a half to three zero 1:35:39.520 --> 1:35:43.840 point seventy five percent. Two members did prefer an additional cut. 1:35:44.360 --> 1:35:48.280 Governor Christopher Waller and Stephan Miron dissented in favor of 1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:50.880 a quarter percent cut, and so there is some descent 1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:54.400 within the Fed. But you know, it looks like, you know, 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:57.040 the FED is comfortable right now understanding that the labor 1:35:57.120 --> 1:35:59.960 market is still in decent shape and inflation is trying 1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:03.000 in the right direction. So they don't see, you know, 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:05.360 they don't seem to be in any hurry to upset 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:07.920 the apple card at this point. And you know, if 1:36:08.120 --> 1:36:11.000 if inflation continues to trend downward, I think you're the 1:36:11.040 --> 1:36:11.920 next cause likely this. 1:36:11.960 --> 1:36:14.640 Summer, Okay, And I know because of this, I don't know, 1:36:14.720 --> 1:36:17.400 this blip that's a temporary government shut down or partial 1:36:17.439 --> 1:36:19.080 whatever the hell they're kind of on, it's over by now. 1:36:19.200 --> 1:36:21.479 Does anyone paying attention to markets don't care anymore what 1:36:21.560 --> 1:36:23.760 the hell they're doing, whether that work or don't work. 1:36:24.479 --> 1:36:27.280 But we were also not getting some more numbers out 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:28.439 because of this, right well, And. 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:31.080 That's the problem for me is that you know, you know, 1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:32.880 a lot of the numbers now are going to be 1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:34.720 stalled with you know, with the types of stuff that 1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:36.080 I'm looking for. You know, when you look at the 1:36:36.160 --> 1:36:38.680 economic calendar. You know, we're going to get job we 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:43.120 expected to get job openings, you know, and the Joltry report, 1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:45.760 and those are going to be delayed. You know, a 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:49.160 lot of the US unemployment rate on Friday, the hourly wages, 1:36:49.200 --> 1:36:50.759 a lot of those things are going to get delayed. 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:52.920 And you know, from a personal standpoint, I have a 1:36:52.960 --> 1:36:55.040 lot of clients that work in the government sector. I 1:36:55.120 --> 1:36:56.560 have a I have a cousin that works in the 1:36:56.600 --> 1:36:59.519 government sector. And you know, when when the government is 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:02.559 shut down for forty five days, you know, most people 1:37:02.840 --> 1:37:05.080 do live paycheck to paycheck, and if you're not getting 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:08.160 that income coming in, it can be very stressful, particularly 1:37:08.240 --> 1:37:09.960 when you don't know when the end is in sight. 1:37:10.080 --> 1:37:12.960 Now this particular time, it seems like cooler heads are 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:14.519 going to prevail. I think that we're going to come 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:16.519 to a resolution here in the next few days, but 1:37:16.600 --> 1:37:17.639 that remains to be seen. 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:20.560 Yeah, And you know, as I said last time, the 1:37:20.600 --> 1:37:22.360 government shut down, and this is ending like last time, 1:37:22.360 --> 1:37:24.080 because it was what forty five days, like you said, 1:37:24.479 --> 1:37:26.640 first couple of weeks, two three weeks ore theater at 1:37:26.640 --> 1:37:29.000 that point, and after thirty days, then it starts to 1:37:29.000 --> 1:37:31.080 get real and then by forty five days people start 1:37:31.120 --> 1:37:33.679 to feel the pain. So largely most of these things 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:35.719 go away because it is just that it is theater 1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:39.639 and somebody will blinker, they'll they'll capitulate and come and well, 1:37:39.720 --> 1:37:41.800 you know, we're doing this because we kick the can 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:43.599 down the road. Last time, we shut the government down. 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:46.240 So these guys can't agree on anything. That is also 1:37:46.360 --> 1:37:48.120 part of the problem with the markets. As you said, 1:37:48.439 --> 1:37:51.719 don't seem to care at all about this. The labor 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:54.280 market right now, it's starting to cool, you know, it's 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:56.519 been cooling for a while, and these'll delay and the 1:37:56.600 --> 1:37:58.559 numbers are going to you know, not provide a clear 1:37:58.680 --> 1:38:02.640 picture there. But how far before we hit bottom on 1:38:02.680 --> 1:38:05.360 this do you think? Well, I don't think we're near 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:05.799 the bottom. 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:08.799 You know, we're still expecting about sixty five thousand jobs 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:12.200 and the unemployment rate to remain at four point four percent. 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:15.040 You know, obviously that's higher than it has been over 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:19.000 the past years, so but historically that's pretty good. 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:19.759 Yeah, it's good. 1:38:20.240 --> 1:38:22.080 So, you know, and I think the FED field is 1:38:22.080 --> 1:38:24.479 that way too. If the FED thought that the labor 1:38:24.520 --> 1:38:27.080 market was starting to waiver significantly, where it's becoming a 1:38:27.160 --> 1:38:30.200 problem they would certainly pivot and start to cut rates, 1:38:30.280 --> 1:38:32.360 but they don't. And so I think you have to 1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:35.040 listen to what they have to say, you know, because 1:38:35.080 --> 1:38:36.920 they have all the data, the data in front of them. 1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:38.760 And if the Fed's not worried about the labor market, 1:38:38.800 --> 1:38:40.519 I'm not going to be worried about the labor market either. 1:38:40.640 --> 1:38:43.880 Yeah, speaking labor, and labor's local. Obviously, this issue with 1:38:43.960 --> 1:38:46.639 Ice and Springfield, and it hasn't happened yet, but they're 1:38:46.720 --> 1:38:48.799 preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. Obviously, 1:38:49.120 --> 1:38:50.519 I'm doing a deep dive on this, and if you 1:38:50.560 --> 1:38:52.640 missed it on the show this morning at ten thirty five, 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:55.800 maybe give that a listen to. And that is that 1:38:56.320 --> 1:38:59.080 there's like ten to fifteen thousand in the Springfield or 1:38:59.200 --> 1:39:01.960 came there because of temporary protected status. They want them 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:05.479 to come and take jobs immediately following COVID, but then learn. 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:07.000 Hey, you know what, Springfield's pretty good. 1:39:07.000 --> 1:39:09.680 The cost of housing and living is pretty cheap, the 1:39:09.960 --> 1:39:11.800 money and the jobs are pretty good. It's a nice 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:14.880 place to, you know, to put your head. People came 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:16.600 from all of the country already here, like place like 1:39:16.680 --> 1:39:19.880 Miami where was too expensive to live their lives. So 1:39:19.920 --> 1:39:22.160 a lot of people moved here and open businesses up. 1:39:22.240 --> 1:39:24.360 The rate of employment I think in in that area 1:39:24.400 --> 1:39:26.840 is something like over ninety five percent, which is incredible. 1:39:27.600 --> 1:39:30.040 If they come in and you know, these people are escorted, 1:39:30.080 --> 1:39:33.560 shown to the door because their TPS is expiring. What 1:39:33.640 --> 1:39:36.560 happens to the economy in Springfield? I was hypothesizing about that. 1:39:36.920 --> 1:39:39.200 You know, we had a tremendous collapse there. It's a 1:39:39.240 --> 1:39:42.599 small town that was dying and decaying. Immigrants came at 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:45.439 the behast of the US government. They created jobs, were created, 1:39:45.479 --> 1:39:48.360 manufacturing located there because of the stable job. They hardworking, 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:50.760 good people, and now that's going to go away. What 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:54.360 happens to the economy in Ohio, let alone Springfield, I. 1:39:54.360 --> 1:39:55.280 Mean it could take a hit. 1:39:55.600 --> 1:39:58.800 You know, the dichonomy of the White House right now is, 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:00.960 you know, they have a they have a challenge of 1:40:01.520 --> 1:40:05.519 following the law versus economic development, right, and so a 1:40:05.640 --> 1:40:07.919 lot of what they are trying to do is posture 1:40:08.000 --> 1:40:10.559 and pander to their base to be to make sure 1:40:10.600 --> 1:40:12.439 that they're saying, hey, we said we were going to 1:40:12.520 --> 1:40:13.960 do these types of things, and we're going to do 1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:19.120 them now. Most immigrants I believe are here with good intentions. 1:40:19.160 --> 1:40:21.720 They want to work hard, they want to produce their take. 1:40:21.760 --> 1:40:24.360 They take jobs that a lot of citizens of the 1:40:24.479 --> 1:40:28.280 United States don't want, and so they pre they provide value. 1:40:28.520 --> 1:40:31.000 And so you know when you go in and you 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:34.479 and you wholesale and and and pick everybody out and 1:40:34.640 --> 1:40:37.920 send them back, Yeah, you're probably following the law, but 1:40:37.960 --> 1:40:40.679 you're also going to have to deal with the impact 1:40:41.840 --> 1:40:45.439 of the potential uh decline from an economic standpoint, because 1:40:45.479 --> 1:40:47.880 those jobs do need to get need to get filled. 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:50.320 So it's a delicate dance and there's not a lot 1:40:50.360 --> 1:40:52.800 of you know, right answers here. I think there's a 1:40:52.840 --> 1:40:54.879 lot of gray area and how this should be approached, 1:40:54.920 --> 1:40:57.479 But from an economic standpoint, it will certainly have an impact. 1:40:57.600 --> 1:40:59.200 Yeah, it seems like you're you know, you're playing with 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:02.000 fire in a sense. You know, the agenda was, Hey, 1:41:02.080 --> 1:41:04.200 get the people who are causing problems, the criminals out 1:41:04.200 --> 1:41:05.840 of here, gangs. It's okay, good, But this is like 1:41:06.120 --> 1:41:09.080 they've already tps. It's not like the situation that Hey's improving. 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:12.120 Some say it's actually getting worse, with gangs running like 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:15.320 eighty percent of Porter prints the prime city. There and 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:17.280 so you hear this and go, well, why why won't 1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:20.000 you just let leave the status alone. It's like you're 1:41:20.040 --> 1:41:21.840 looking for trouble now when you don't need it. Why 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.120 why if you just let things stay the way they are, 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:26.360 it seems to be fine. No one's needing cats and dogs. 1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:29.280 And to your point, the people that want them out 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:31.960 of there because because jobs aren't going to take the 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:35.800 jobs anyway, because it's it's hard work. It's manufacturing, it's agriculture, 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:38.160 it's construction, all those things. 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:41.320 Yeah, and you know, that's kind of a moral dilemma there, 1:41:41.360 --> 1:41:44.040 and it was a huge moral and from you know, 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:46.920 from a political standpoint, you know, I don't really you know, 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:49.360 care what the politicians say. You know, I have to 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:52.000 focus on within my job how it impacts the economy 1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:55.040 and be able to pivot. And it makes it harder 1:41:55.200 --> 1:41:58.960 for you know, business owners and you know also talents 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:02.919 that really throw on the economy and utilize the immigrants 1:42:02.960 --> 1:42:05.000 that are there to produce. So, I mean, it's a 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:07.360 it's a challenging situation. Again, I don't think there's any 1:42:07.439 --> 1:42:10.680 right right answers there, But you know, that's not the 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:11.640 line of business that I'm in. 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:13.600 Yeah, yeah, I get it, but you know it's not 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:14.760 good for the I don't think it's good for the 1:42:14.760 --> 1:42:15.920 economy of Springfield, Ohio. 1:42:15.960 --> 1:42:18.600 For that you're throwing people out who are there to 1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:19.200 work anyway. 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:21.639 Andy Shaffer, simply money is the show tonight at six 1:42:21.720 --> 1:42:23.400 on fifty five car see he's over at all Worth 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:26.680 Financial jumps in every Tuesday, Andy Shaeffer, the Minister of 1:42:26.840 --> 1:42:28.320 Money here on the Scott Sloan Show. 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:31.400 All the best, Buddy, be well, all right, Scott Tucky later. 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:33.439 Run and lay. We got Willie waiting in the wings. 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:37.200 Here next on this snowy Tuesday morning, seven hundred w 1:42:37.280 --> 1:42:38.040 do other dy since now