Speaker 1: Slowly on the big one seven hundred wlws. Quick, name
Speaker 1: me something more broken than our political system, the two
Speaker 1: party system, because it's pretty fed up right now. Democrats
Speaker 1: of course fighting for whatever direction it is Ergo Usica.
Speaker 1: It could be Gavin Newsom, as it can be Andy Basheer,
Speaker 1: but there's really not that much headwindon for many much
Speaker 1: win behind their sales. I guess on that one, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of headwind GOP. The other side, we have MAGA,
Speaker 1: but we have a divisive Mega right now. They're kind
Speaker 1: of split down the middle on that is Jesse arm
Speaker 1: from Manhattan Institute especially more important now than ever, because
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the polling, you look at
Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson's hand on the gavel, which is tenuous. And
Speaker 1: now Trump comes out just today or yesterday maybe and
Speaker 1: says that the United States had to federalize our elections.
Speaker 2: You can't do that. It's run by the states.
Speaker 1: Jesse did a poll on all this and gets a
Speaker 1: deep dive on where everything is headed right now.
Speaker 2: Jesse, welcome to the show. Good morning, are you great.
Speaker 3: To be with you, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: The thing that jumped out to me about this was
Speaker 1: that almost a third of current Trump and GOP voters
Speaker 1: are what you call new entrant Republicans who may have
Speaker 1: voted Democratic as recently as twenty six year, maybe even
Speaker 1: twenty twenty For that man, what's surprised you most about
Speaker 1: that particular group when you started looking at the data.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's the bottom line.
Speaker 4: We were very curious because there's been so much talk
Speaker 4: in recent weeks about what is the American right, what
Speaker 4: are the fractures within today's GOP, what does it mean
Speaker 4: to be maga, and is this President Trump's winning coalition
Speaker 4: from twenty twenty four capable of remaining intact once the
Speaker 4: president exits the stage. So what we did was we
Speaker 4: went out and we asked nearly three thousand voters nationally,
Speaker 4: the vast majority of which we're Republican. We had a
Speaker 4: few Democrats in there for comparative purposes, and then we
Speaker 4: introduced these large what's called over samples of black and
Speaker 4: Hispanic voters, which we account for on the back end
Speaker 4: with waiting. But we really wanted to get a clear
Speaker 4: picture of the small groups that are sometimes, uh, you
Speaker 4: don't want to make inferences that are too large out
Speaker 4: of subpopulations that are too small in a survey. So
Speaker 4: all that's to say, this is one of the largest
Speaker 4: and most exhaustive survey projects to date of this new
Speaker 4: Trump built, multi ethnic, working class GOP. And like you said,
Speaker 4: Scott's got two main camps that emerge. There's about a
Speaker 4: two third majority a little over that constitutes what we
Speaker 4: think of as traditional Republicans. They're quite conservative on everything
Speaker 4: from foreign policy to the economic policy, to social issues.
Speaker 4: But there is this sizeable minority, what we're calling new
Speaker 4: entrant to the GOP, people who just voted for the
Speaker 4: Republican Party for maybe the first time in the last
Speaker 4: two presidential cycles, but we're very likely to have voted
Speaker 4: for a Democrat.
Speaker 2: In the recent past.
Speaker 4: You're talking about, right, Well, not necessarily, they're a younger block.
Speaker 3: There are more diverse block. Ethnically, they are more likely to.
Speaker 4: Hold progressive policy views across every major policy domain. But then,
Speaker 4: somewhat oddly, they're also a significant share of them are
Speaker 4: more likely to report that they are open to racist.
Speaker 3: Views or anti Semitic views, and they.
Speaker 4: Express potential support for political violence. And yet again they
Speaker 4: are more liberal on policy.
Speaker 2: How do you expland that contradiction.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that President Trump brought in people to
Speaker 4: the party who are all over the ideological map. And
Speaker 4: I don't think it'll be at any surprise for a
Speaker 4: lot of your listeners that the racists in American politics
Speaker 4: are often not coming from the right most place, and
Speaker 4: that is an ideological line that is just not neatly
Speaker 4: defined all the time. Your listeners probably know this. There
Speaker 4: are people in their lives who feel various different ways
Speaker 4: about any given issue. And you know, there are two
Speaker 4: kinds of factions at play in the national discourse right now.
Speaker 4: You've got left wing corporate media type and you've got
Speaker 4: some of these odd ball types on the real They
Speaker 4: want to position themselves on the right, but really they're
Speaker 4: kind of flirting with a bunch of nasty things. And
Speaker 4: what they both have in common is that they don't
Speaker 4: want to see the politically successful coalition for the Republican
Speaker 4: Party that Donald Trump put together in twenty twenty four
Speaker 4: remain intact for future election cycles.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Interesting, And there's also, I know too, in the study
Speaker 1: here a generational avide. So if you're on an under
Speaker 1: fifty Republican that looks different than plus fifty Republican, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty much everything it's dark. Whether it's Israel, China, or
Speaker 1: you know, traditional vatos political violence. Are there just simply
Speaker 1: now two different Republican parties coexisting temporarily.
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be up to the next
Speaker 4: Republican nominee to stitch together a coalition that can work and.
Speaker 3: Win at the national level.
Speaker 4: President Trump, you know, some people might be able to
Speaker 4: pin this in kind of a endearing light and say
Speaker 4: that he's very pragmatic. Someone more hostile as the president
Speaker 4: might say that he's inconsistent. But there is a fundamental
Speaker 4: truth to the fact that President Trump has been sort
Speaker 4: of ideologically flexible on questions over the years. He's not
Speaker 4: a man who's afraid to change his mind. In the
Speaker 4: first term, one of his signature policy achievements with Congress
Speaker 4: was passing the First Stepbacks, which was a big piece
Speaker 4: of criminal justice reform. In this term, he's been much
Speaker 4: tougher on crime and policing. These National Guard deployments have
Speaker 4: been a signature achievement. And in his campaign for office,
Speaker 4: he ran on a message of no new wars, but
Speaker 4: also he's not afraid to use force. Now that he's
Speaker 4: in office, he's got a very hawkish posture toward Iran,
Speaker 4: towards Venezuela, toward a lot of our adversaries across the globe.
Speaker 1: The other change, of course, is sam you know, the
Speaker 1: leaning in towards more federalism general. For the longest time,
Speaker 1: Republicans were the party of smaller government. Not under President Trump.
Speaker 1: Latest example would be wanting to federalize allegedly the elections
Speaker 1: taken away from the States. Clearly, the details of the
Speaker 1: policy aren't what makes him attractive.
Speaker 4: President Trump's appeal has kind of been his celebrity, his humor,
Speaker 4: and also his pragmatic flexibility around issues. What is it
Speaker 4: going to be for jd. Vance or Ted Cruz or
Speaker 4: Mark Rubio or whoever it is who becomes the Republican
Speaker 4: standard bearer in twenty twenty eight. Maybe they'll bring in
Speaker 4: a lot of young men the same way President Trump
Speaker 4: did in twenty twenty four. Maybe they'll win back some
Speaker 4: of the suburban moms that President Trump lost over the
Speaker 4: course of his tenure in office. But politicians have to
Speaker 4: be creative, and if they want to win at national level,
Speaker 4: they can't do it with just the base.
Speaker 3: But the question is who do they add in?
Speaker 4: And it's probably pretty unlikely that the next standard bearer
Speaker 4: is going to add in that same group that President
Speaker 4: Trump would managed to manage to put together.
Speaker 1: Jesse armc Manhattan Instinct on the study, that's a damn.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say impossible. Nothing's impossible. And you know, every
Speaker 1: day and politics feels like it's a year these days.
Speaker 1: For sure, hardly Trump's only been in office a year.
Speaker 1: It feels like I'd spend two terms. But you look
Speaker 1: at that, it's the cult of Trump's personality, the enigma
Speaker 1: that's Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: That's awfully hard to replicate.
Speaker 1: We've seen that tried before with other people, maybe not
Speaker 1: till Trump's level, but let's face it, he's an iconoclassed.
Speaker 2: You can't replicate that. That's going to be difficult.
Speaker 4: And we'll have to keep in mind that the Democrats
Speaker 4: are super eager to finally get their Trump. Don't be
Speaker 4: surprised that they nominate somebody in twenty twenty eight who's
Speaker 4: willing to like some heads off and be a creative
Speaker 4: communicator and you know, break break the electorate up along
Speaker 4: interesting ideological line. Gavin Newsom is capable of doing that. Hell,
Speaker 4: even maybe AOC may be capable of doing that. So
Speaker 4: hopefully there's a Republican that comes forward with the same
Speaker 4: kind of policy entrepreneurship and political creativity.
Speaker 3: That President Trump is able to possess.
Speaker 4: But as you and I both know and your audience knows,
Speaker 4: that's no easy task.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you surveyed this group three thousand, which is a
Speaker 1: really good sample size, by the way, on appointing but oh,
Speaker 1: that's not that many people, But that's pretty good on
Speaker 1: where the GOP is standing, where they're headed, I guess
Speaker 1: right now. And you tested things like anti semitism and
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories, and I thought the political violence one
Speaker 1: was particularly interesting. That more than half of what you're
Speaker 1: calling the new entrant Republicans say political violence is justified
Speaker 1: or can be justified anyway, and that matches up with those.
Speaker 2: On the left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, a lot of these people, like I said,
Speaker 4: they're younger, and they're more conspiratorial. They've got a more
Speaker 4: and once you're more conspiratorial, another thing that our data
Speaker 4: told us is that you're also more likely to excuse
Speaker 4: political violence under the right circumstances.
Speaker 3: So we have to ask ourselves.
Speaker 4: Right when we're hearing and seeing a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: in the news about the evolution of media figures like
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson or Canvasz into a transition to a.
Speaker 3: Fully online environment. Well, we have to ask ourselves, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so they're.
Speaker 4: Appealing to a younger block, a more diverse block, a
Speaker 4: block that's spending a lot of time in digital spaces,
Speaker 4: not listening to radio shows like yours, but are perhaps
Speaker 4: you know, spending a lot of time on TikTok and
Speaker 4: on platforms like rumble x. And the incentives are just
Speaker 4: different than what they are for electoral politics. We actually
Speaker 4: pulled voters, and when you talk to voters, it's a
Speaker 4: lot more traditional and coherent ideologically, at least the vast
Speaker 4: majority of the GOP looks that way. So it's important
Speaker 4: to keep in mind that your favorite voices in sort
Speaker 4: of new media have incentives that are different than your
Speaker 4: favorite politicians and Republican or any political party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you had this confluence event that, you know,
Speaker 1: the long distrust of legacy media, and then along came
Speaker 1: the Internet and different influencers are online and there's no
Speaker 1: filter for them, and the more extreme the better. And
Speaker 1: that makes sense as to why so many people majority
Speaker 1: would lean towards political violence because that's being preached on
Speaker 1: those platforms.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah, it really all comes down to that there
Speaker 4: is a core group and a fringe group, and it's
Speaker 4: up to whoever is going to be the next standard
Speaker 4: bearer for the party to come to a determination about
Speaker 4: who will make up their block and can they create
Speaker 4: a block wide enough to secure a victory at the
Speaker 4: national stage, because that has no easy cap President Trump
Speaker 4: even struggled to do it three times.
Speaker 3: He you know, depending on who you are man at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jesse arm in Manhattan Institute a new poll that they did.
Speaker 1: They are very exhaustive one that reveals divides inside the
Speaker 1: GOP coalition. So you've got the core, you've got the
Speaker 1: less stable outer ring. One is hearing this and going on.
Speaker 1: So it's just what the older people are, the neocons,
Speaker 1: and that's the cohesive core traditional conservatives of maybe ten
Speaker 1: years ago, and now you've got a less stable outer
Speaker 1: ring who are the younger entrance into the GOP is.
Speaker 1: But even that is probably a misleading summary, right Executive Summer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean we're not seeing a natural fault
Speaker 4: line along what you might call neocons and then their
Speaker 4: adversary being I don't know paleocons who like Pass Buchanan
Speaker 4: or something like that magazine. No, yeah, this isn't this
Speaker 4: isn't falling along those It's not that tidy split. Okay,
Speaker 4: we've found too much messier blocks, which I've described for
Speaker 4: you now earlier. But again it does. They are repeating
Speaker 4: that just under thirty percent of today's GOP is what
Speaker 4: we call these new entrants, Republican voters who join the
Speaker 4: coalition in the Trump era. They are younger, more racially diverse,
Speaker 4: and much more likely to have voted for Barack Obama,
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Kamala Harrins at least one time.
Speaker 4: So they are the ostensible base for much of the
Speaker 4: eccentricity that now preoccupies conservative politics. Because those voters are
Speaker 4: also so much more liberal on issues that we tested,
Speaker 4: from taxes and spending to foreign policies, immigrate to DEI
Speaker 4: to transgender issues. This is a consistent through line.
Speaker 3: And beyond all that.
Speaker 4: Like I said, there is a location with the kind
Speaker 4: of odd here. They're much more likely to believe a
Speaker 4: number of conspiracy theories. They're much more likely to sort
Speaker 4: with political violence in some ways, and that is you know,
Speaker 4: breaking our politics up along very funny lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yess you mentioned the minority faction of the GOP
Speaker 1: was over sampled deliberately. But I'm looking at the numbers
Speaker 1: of d and then maybe that factors into the reason why,
Speaker 1: even more so than white Republicans, Hispanics and blacks say
Speaker 1: DEI should be made illegal.
Speaker 2: What do you make of that?
Speaker 4: I think that DEI has got to be a winning
Speaker 4: issue for conservatives moving forward, no matter who the policy
Speaker 4: standard barriers for the Republican Party. One thing that was
Speaker 4: a parent from our data is that a big use
Speaker 4: way to think about our politics and what it is
Speaker 4: that Republicans stand for is merit, meaning we believe in
Speaker 4: a true meritocracy that anybody can work their way up.
Speaker 4: Equality of opportunities, not equality of outcome. And I'll say
Speaker 4: that actually a politician in your state is perhaps one
Speaker 4: of the best articulators of what it means to organize
Speaker 4: the Republican Party along the through line of merit.
Speaker 3: What is fair?
Speaker 4: What is just that the best people rise to the top,
Speaker 4: and that we're not giving out handouts and living in
Speaker 4: a sort of DEI racially discriminatory identity politics obsessed America
Speaker 4: and that politician is the zach Ramaswami, who I think
Speaker 4: stands a very good shot of being your next governor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that too. Similarly, because
Speaker 1: we're a limited time here, Jesse. Almost parallel to that
Speaker 1: is the sculinity question. Seven out of ten current GOP
Speaker 1: supporters believe that America is too feminine, and it's almost
Speaker 1: sixty percent of Republican women. What's driving that settlement and
Speaker 1: how does that going to shape the cultural positioning when
Speaker 1: it comes to the gender wars.
Speaker 3: Well, keep in mind that our polling was of most
Speaker 3: heavily what we call the current GOP and we defined
Speaker 3: that as you had to be either part of the
Speaker 3: whole group that voted for Trump in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: regardless of your policy party registration, or you are a
Speaker 3: registered Republican even those who did not vote for President
Speaker 3: Trump to be considered in that current GOP block. And
Speaker 3: that group that President Trump has brought together and reshaped
Speaker 3: the Republican Party in that image is very male, and
Speaker 3: beyond being very male, even the women who are part
Speaker 3: of that block believe that America has become too a feminine,
Speaker 3: feminized as a country. So how do you articulate and
Speaker 3: develop a politics that is strong, masculine, uh nationalist, but
Speaker 3: avoids you know, I mean we're both guys. We know
Speaker 3: kind of where guy's pitfalls right right right to be
Speaker 3: too ma show to be headstrong, stubborn in effective that
Speaker 3: compromise to difficult song and dance, and you're gonna see.
Speaker 3: I think if I had, if I'm a betting man,
Speaker 3: the Democrats are probably going to nominate a man in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight if tried nominating women a couple of times.
Speaker 4: Now they've lost Gavin as the guy who sort of
Speaker 4: appears to be the front runner right now. So we're
Speaker 4: going to be in dangerous territory as Republicans if the
Speaker 4: Democrats end up nominating a man who can speak the
Speaker 4: language of masculinity effectively while articulating a progressive policy program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that I mean it could be a Gavin Newsome.
Speaker 1: Is that an Andy Basher from Kentucky?
Speaker 4: It should be a lot of people, but Andy Bisheer
Speaker 4: is another one who de only get kicked around the
Speaker 4: lock Josh up hero in Pennsylvania, another popular Democratic governor
Speaker 4: who is not you know, he doesn't talk in the
Speaker 4: sort of ultra progressive, woke ways that so many Democrats
Speaker 4: did just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: We're losing a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and obviously the big blooming problem here is Trump
Speaker 1: two point zero. The next candidate is at paradox because,
Speaker 1: based on what you just said, Jesse, the most Trump
Speaker 1: like rhetorical appeal to the new entrance, as you call them.
Speaker 1: But core Republicans that tend to dominate the primaries want
Speaker 1: steady or more traditional leadership. So that's that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a tough one to play out. We'll see how it
Speaker 1: goes again. He is at Jesse arm He's at Manhattan Institute.
Speaker 1: What's happening with the GOP. We may have to do
Speaker 1: one of the Democrats too, because that's also equally confusing.
Speaker 1: We're just at one of those political crossroads that happens
Speaker 1: every generation, for sure. All the best, Thanks again for jumping.
Speaker 3: On, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Take care you too, Stay safe. We've got weather moving in.
Speaker 1: It's here now. As a matter of fact, one to
Speaker 1: three or three to five, depends on who you believe.
Speaker 1: We'll kind of find out together. He full update. We
Speaker 1: got traffic and more just ahead of news and about
Speaker 1: five minutes Scott's Loan Show seven hundred w WELW.
Speaker 2: Here we go?
Speaker 1: Is the snow starts to fly? Seven hundred w W
Speaker 1: scott Sloan Show? Is it one to three? Is it
Speaker 1: three to five? That's the question. James just hit me
Speaker 1: up and said, Randy Rico at five predicts three to five,
Speaker 1: but Jay catch at nine predicts one to three. Who
Speaker 1: will win? This is bigger than the super Bowl? I say, absolutely,
Speaker 1: this is bigger than the super Bowl. How much snow
Speaker 1: mcgeddon will we get today? Looking like right now, maybe
Speaker 1: closer to the one to three. So I'm with Jennifer
Speaker 1: ketch Maark on this one. We'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 1: The other thing too, My daughter calls me, says and
Speaker 1: at that age, you know, in your twenties, you don't
Speaker 1: really pay attention to stuff.
Speaker 2: She's like, Dad, what's the matter?
Speaker 1: Why? Why is Kroger so crowded? Like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna snow like one to three inches.
Speaker 4: Ew.
Speaker 1: So I got the lay of the land at her Kroger,
Speaker 1: and it's certainly not like it was prior to the
Speaker 1: twelve inches. But there's a notable uptick in the number
Speaker 1: of people that are buying essentials, which it makes me
Speaker 1: always laugh about the panic buying thing, like the last
Speaker 1: now storm. Explain me why this is. And we saw
Speaker 1: this too. You know in twenty twenty we had the
Speaker 1: run on toilet paper during COVID, and then we had
Speaker 1: to run on gas because of gas and well what
Speaker 1: the port workers strike just a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and that was toilet paper. And so people lose their
Speaker 1: minds going and buying and panic buying, and it's not
Speaker 1: a new phenomenon, but it certainly can be annoying. If
Speaker 1: you're just going, look, she wants to go. I don't
Speaker 1: even know it's going to snowed a little bit. So
Speaker 1: what why are you clearing out? It's talking to someone
Speaker 1: before the last storm and they were at the store
Speaker 1: getting the and someone had five gallons of milk. I'm
Speaker 1: not exaggerating five gallons of milk. I don't know if
Speaker 1: she actually told them. What do you do you normally
Speaker 1: drink five gallons of milk? I mean really, Okay, the
Speaker 1: storm hit in two days later. You know we were
Speaker 1: able to get out to three days later. You're okay,
Speaker 1: there may be some snow in the street, but five
Speaker 1: gallons of milk for three days. Come on, man, what
Speaker 1: do you do? What are we doing here? I would love,
Speaker 1: you know, all the stuff that you see on local
Speaker 1: news or national for that matter, wouldn't you love to
Speaker 1: see them go to an interview? People are coming out
Speaker 1: with five gallons of milk? What the hell are you thinking? Like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, yeah, I know you've got five gallons. Do
Speaker 1: you normally buy five gallons of milk?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Why are you buying five gallons of milk now? Well,
Speaker 1: because everyone else is grabbing the bottles. I just wonder
Speaker 1: if that milk now is not all down the dry,
Speaker 1: like three gallons of it, maybe four? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: if you I guess, if you had a family of
Speaker 1: ten kids, you need five gallons of milk. But it
Speaker 1: was an older person and not not old, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: middle aged. I was like, No, you have that many
Speaker 1: kids where you really like milk? Huh, clearly you don't
Speaker 1: have lactose intolerance. Not quite sure why we do that.
Speaker 1: Gotta run get bred today it's like one to three
Speaker 1: inches maybe five inches. You you can get out in
Speaker 1: that stuff. Stuff will still be open. The funniest damn
Speaker 1: thing in the world to panic, the fear of course,
Speaker 1: because everyone else is grabbing it, so you grab it.
Speaker 1: That was most evident during COVID. We couldn't find anything
Speaker 1: on the shelf because everyone's snapt. And then we had
Speaker 1: the limits. You can only have one thing of toilet pap.
Speaker 1: Two things that can find toilet paper anyway, because people
Speaker 1: are hoarding it. And there's probably people that still have
Speaker 1: are still tapping into the strategic toilet paper reserve in
Speaker 1: their household. It's like they bought so much during COVID
Speaker 1: that here it is six years later. Still yep, I
Speaker 1: still got I've still got some. I've still got some.
Speaker 1: And then there are people who are just simply are
Speaker 1: not prepared for life events. And I'll bring this up
Speaker 1: not the punch down, because I want her take on
Speaker 1: this one. So today my work truck, by the way
Speaker 1: is buried about ten feet of snow right now. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really need any where. Nothing's breaking,
Speaker 1: I don't have to go fix anything for a few days,
Speaker 1: it's right. So today with the snow, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I got a you know, my day to day care
Speaker 1: a little smaller.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, my wife's not going on ACTU.
Speaker 2: The knee surgery.
Speaker 1: I'll just take her suv okay, because when I drive
Speaker 1: after the show, there'll be some snow on the ground.
Speaker 1: I take the scuy and I may stop the door
Speaker 1: pick some stuff up because now it's a good time
Speaker 1: to get Once the snow starts flying, then people don't
Speaker 1: go to the store, so whatever's left and maybe a
Speaker 1: Costco kind of day. Anyway, I'm looking in her truck
Speaker 1: pulling the parking garage like okay. Normally, I prepare a
Speaker 1: little bit and go, okay, where's the brush to clear
Speaker 1: the snow off? I am not exaggerating. I came across
Speaker 1: in her suv okay, there are a couple of real
Speaker 1: estate signs.
Speaker 2: There was what looked.
Speaker 1: Like a a new doormat, but it had a pumpkin
Speaker 1: on it, so I'm guessing she bought the doormat for
Speaker 1: Halloween and it's still in her truck. I found an
Speaker 1: empty shoe box and one one very used tennis shoe,
Speaker 1: a pair of sandals, one had a broken strap up
Speaker 1: on it. I found three golf balls. Three golf balls.
Speaker 1: I found a couple of power cords that look janky, gum,
Speaker 1: an empty container of gum, a full container of gum,
Speaker 1: paper clips, hair scrunchies, Burretts, pens, markers. I did not
Speaker 1: find a snowbrush here. It is February. No snowbrush in
Speaker 1: the car. But if I wanted to hit some golf
Speaker 1: balls in the snow wearing sandals or one shoe, that's
Speaker 1: the truck to have. That's the truck to have. So
Speaker 1: I wonder if I could just go home or stop
Speaker 1: and buy a snowbrush, because I know we've got twenty
Speaker 1: of them, and I don't know why they leave the car,
Speaker 1: especially when you have golf balls and slip ons in there.
Speaker 1: I just I don't I went over slides. No, they're
Speaker 1: a sandals. Yeah, like beach handles, just in case. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I don't. I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. I'm not judging. I'm just pointing out
Speaker 1: the the planning ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm a planner if anything.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's planning for There's people who overpray I'm
Speaker 1: gonna buy five gallons of milk and all the bread
Speaker 1: and all the batteries for I don't know an inches
Speaker 1: to a snow okay. And then the other extremists people going, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll get that snowbrush in my car about I'll get
Speaker 1: in there about July. No rush for this, no rush
Speaker 1: just buying everything. It's just it's it's like politics, right,
Speaker 1: It's just the extremes that drive you crazy. Uh In
Speaker 1: Lemon and Pete, you're on the Scot Sloan Show. What's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 3: Slowy? A lady has to have her priorities.
Speaker 1: Sandals used one atlantic chee golf balls.
Speaker 4: You never know.
Speaker 1: I mean there might be a one legged golf tournament
Speaker 1: coming out. You got to be prepared. Man the basfoot
Speaker 1: golf or barefoot golf.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, you know, we got snow coming down. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: clean that with my tongue. Apparently, it's fine, don't worry
Speaker 1: about I got it, honey, it's good.
Speaker 2: I got you.
Speaker 3: I got to the list for panic buying.
Speaker 6: I stopped in the home depot and get a bag
Speaker 6: and got ten pounds fifty twenty pounds bag of.
Speaker 3: The ice or the you know, yeah, yeah, the last skin.
Speaker 3: This guy bought the last kit. It was six foot tall.
Speaker 3: They loaded it up and they go, that's the end
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 3: I said, why would you sell him the whole shite?
Speaker 7: I'm thinking this guy either owns property like you're a
Speaker 7: rental guy, right, a rental guy, right.
Speaker 3: Or he's selling it like toilet paper.
Speaker 1: And uh if he see I would have hung a
Speaker 1: ree had time hang around. I'm wondering if he's the
Speaker 1: guy's got the palette of salt on top of his
Speaker 1: I don't know, on top of his his Corolla.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: Instead you're thinking he had a truck and these people
Speaker 1: at home deeper they got sheets of plywood on top
Speaker 1: of a pinto. What the heck? What I want?
Speaker 3: What I should have done was the follow him. Right.
Speaker 7: Maybe he was at the corner selling her stuff hot, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like, hey, you know what buying panic selling? I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: God bless America.
Speaker 3: The United States society got a lot, right.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you man. Thanks. Yeah, you don't snatch it
Speaker 1: up all the rock salt there's another thing, but that
Speaker 1: takes an effort. I think it's because they're heavy, right,
Speaker 1: especially a pallette. You mean you better have a truck
Speaker 1: if that guy's going to put it in like a mini van.
Speaker 1: And then the pallette. You got the another thing with
Speaker 1: palettes too. Have you ever noticed you're driving?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: One just says one Pallette, like the guy who's taking
Speaker 1: the pallettes back to the Pallette factory or to be
Speaker 1: used as compost. However, there's a thousand pallets on the
Speaker 1: back of the smallest truck in the world. It's never
Speaker 1: a big truck that has the Pallett's. It's always like
Speaker 1: a I don't know, a Chevy S ten, like those
Speaker 1: old trucks, and it's that old like literally, there's no
Speaker 1: one who's hauling pellets in a new truck and they've
Speaker 1: got them stacked up like sixty high and strapped down,
Speaker 1: maybe strapped down, and they're driving that right lane by
Speaker 1: fifty miles an hour. It's always a small pick of
Speaker 1: the small body pickup truck and a million pallets on
Speaker 1: the back. And that truck was new in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Damnedest thing. It's the damnedest thing. To Florida and Keith,
Speaker 1: how's everything there? You guys getting some weather? We're about
Speaker 1: what we're else? Are you in?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: How's the how's it tempts? I know somebody was in
Speaker 1: Pensacola last week and it was snowing.
Speaker 5: Well, funny, I tell you so. Yeah, at the end
Speaker 5: of the world, then here it almost got down to freezing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: up the plants. Yeah. Uh, it's brutal, absolutely brutal.
Speaker 1: I'll bring it up that actually put on socks, life
Speaker 1: and stuff. This is gonna mess up my I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have tan lines. Now it's gonna be on sightly. It's
Speaker 1: gotta be unsightly.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah.
Speaker 5: Watching all my family up in Cincinnati shoveling and blowing
Speaker 5: so now I'm just loving it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind doing it. I like the shoveling
Speaker 1: and blowing snow. You guys get any pan well, you
Speaker 1: probably get the panic down.
Speaker 5: And for hurricanes, uh yeah, I've been. We had three
Speaker 5: front of water through the house in Milton, so we
Speaker 5: definitely got our share of it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh what's what's it like? That is milk the big
Speaker 1: one in Florida?
Speaker 5: No, actually, nothing is because it's not hurricane season. Now
Speaker 5: that's a hurricane season. You got to get to the
Speaker 5: liquor store quick.
Speaker 1: Cards, dude, because most of the time you're seeing full time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just waiting.
Speaker 1: It's like like the odds of your house getting swamped
Speaker 1: or blood like it's a whole different day. But most
Speaker 1: of the time there's a it's a big nothing. But
Speaker 1: that's why people don't take it seriously. And then they
Speaker 1: got caught with their pants down right.
Speaker 5: Well, you know you got to keep six or seven
Speaker 5: handles on hand at all times in case the wind
Speaker 5: bowl is above six.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife's truck would be great. Then here she's
Speaker 1: got golf balls in her go ahead.
Speaker 9: Oh, by the way, hey, milk freezers real well, so
Speaker 9: five gallons of milk is the big deal. You keep
Speaker 9: one out and you put four in the freezer, and
Speaker 9: you take it out three four days before you need it. Man,
Speaker 9: it works great the case at all.
Speaker 1: What what about all the other stuff?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: How big a freezer are you running there?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 5: Oh, I've got We've got uh, I got, I got
Speaker 5: two full sized fridges in a stand freezer. How maybe
Speaker 5: we're contemplating, just the two of us for contemplating buying.
Speaker 1: Teeth by the side, there's two of you and you've
Speaker 1: got three freezers.
Speaker 5: Oh man, if anything anything we can do keep from
Speaker 5: going to the store and actually, you know, dealing with people.
Speaker 1: But you know, right, you just keep buying more freezers
Speaker 1: and you never take the stuff out of the freezer.
Speaker 1: You just keep buying putting stuff in the freezer. Does
Speaker 1: anything ever come out of it?
Speaker 3: Yet?
Speaker 5: There there's I will admit there's crapping the bottle of
Speaker 5: the freezer that you know, it's got so much freezer
Speaker 5: burned on it.
Speaker 3: It's it's just a token.
Speaker 5: What do we do?
Speaker 2: You're prepared, you may be, you may be over prepared, Keith.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's anybody in my family. I definitely over prepared.
Speaker 3: I away I could really use.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some col right now. You got milk.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to wait three days with at the thought,
Speaker 1: but well, I've got great. The milk is fantastic. Appreciate
Speaker 1: you man. Ten minutes away from a news update on
Speaker 1: the Big Ones the Scott Sloan Show here on seven
Speaker 1: hundred w LW. Come up at eleven oh seven, little
Speaker 1: pre promote. I don't know if you heard this or not.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call an audible Dave. Can you can you
Speaker 1: go in it?
Speaker 2: Can you see if you can pull that Nickolache song off?
Speaker 1: The full song? I got it in my file there.
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you, sorry, as I suck at
Speaker 1: this job. Uh so nick Lache, Nickolasche and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask him, by the way, how Nickolasche became the voice
Speaker 1: of the common fan here in Cincinnati. I'm not quite
Speaker 1: sure how it occurred. I think maybe the title was
Speaker 1: thrust upon him and he ran with it the scepter
Speaker 1: in his hand. But Nickolasche has come out eleven oh
Speaker 1: seven drops a new song about demanding the Brown family,
Speaker 1: the band Mike Brown sell the Bengals. Now that's an
Speaker 1: aggressive stance for a pop singer, for a pop idol,
Speaker 1: is it not. That's a pretty damn aggressive stance. And
Speaker 1: I will say nick Lache he knows the sports though
Speaker 1: he is fully invested in Cincinnati sports and a Miami grad,
Speaker 1: so he's loving the fact that the basketball teams in
Speaker 1: the But anyway, dropped a new song. I'll try to
Speaker 1: get a clip here, play for you a second here
Speaker 1: in demanding that they sell the team. And if not
Speaker 1: the best song in the world, but it's better than
Speaker 1: either most of these kind of parody things. And I'm
Speaker 1: not one to tell someone who has Mike Brown kind
Speaker 1: of money what to do with this.
Speaker 2: That's his money.
Speaker 1: Now you want to sell the team, that's up to you,
Speaker 1: whether I selled or not. But as a as a
Speaker 1: passionate fan. I mean, I get the inkst I get
Speaker 1: the anxiety of the ownership right now. And then you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about Duke Tobin and Zach. They're not going.
Speaker 1: The entirety of the AFC North has been fired and
Speaker 1: new head coaches are coming in because they can't get
Speaker 1: it done. And yet we're doubling down on Zach and
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin. And yeah, I think we're in good shape.
Speaker 1: We can win with the guys we have.
Speaker 2: No, you can't.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do that last Well, if Joe Burrow wouldn't
Speaker 1: have gotten hurt, Well, that's part of the problem. He
Speaker 1: got hurt is because of well, the guys you have
Speaker 1: are not good, you know, offensively, there's no reason the
Speaker 1: very least make the playoffs. You know, Marvin went to
Speaker 1: what six six wild card games in seven years and
Speaker 1: lost them all, and we wanted more, we wanted better
Speaker 1: that we're going to do better than that. So that's
Speaker 1: why Marvin went. And we got Zach Taylor. Okay, got
Speaker 1: us to the super Bowl. Great, and now it's regressing,
Speaker 1: and so I think it's you know, it's a viable go. Okay,
Speaker 1: do we need to change because you can't get over
Speaker 1: the hump? Why can't we get over the ump? There's
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why anyway, here's the song from
Speaker 1: Nicko La se.
Speaker 10: Time man again seen a simple whipple say, I ain't
Speaker 10: got no plan, no.
Speaker 3: No, no, no no.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like an angry song, doesn't.
Speaker 10: Another draft done in team, more and more of the scene,
Speaker 10: and it's so it's sort of driving me and say.
Speaker 1: Like that baseline was so sat.
Speaker 2: Timberlake field, very boys.
Speaker 10: Angles, wind stalk amasy, oh, blame me.
Speaker 2: Everything that you've done.
Speaker 1: It just turns out so long.
Speaker 10: Time say goodbye.
Speaker 11: Just think of your.
Speaker 10: Family, take your billions and run to that look go ahead.
Speaker 1: Now you're coming at him already thinks this is nickolache Man.
Speaker 2: He's popping off, he's popping up.
Speaker 4: Damn yeah.
Speaker 1: Bang pretty well produced, but i'd expect that from nickolache
Speaker 1: I said, set on my Brown, set my.
Speaker 2: Brown, breaking it down a little bit nice.
Speaker 1: In the name of Joe Bell. Won't you take your
Speaker 1: beans and go.
Speaker 10: To settle my brown?
Speaker 2: Care what you wish for?
Speaker 10: The selling my brown.
Speaker 1: On the phone quick two minutes. That's all you get,
Speaker 1: that's all you need. Message sent I don't know the
Speaker 1: message received or not. But coming up at eleven oh seven,
Speaker 1: I'll have Nickolache on the show and ask why the
Speaker 1: hell cook two thingsirst of all, who are you to
Speaker 1: tell Mike Brown what to do with the team?
Speaker 2: Second?
Speaker 1: Lay more Bertley, are you gonna buy it? Nick lache
Speaker 1: buying the team? Nickolasche wants to buy the team. He's
Speaker 1: got that, yeah, man, he's got that ten years of
Speaker 1: reality show money. He's got some gash watch out. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's got NFL money though, But you
Speaker 1: can get a bunch of investors together, and if you
Speaker 1: do sell the team to what's the guarantee it's gonna
Speaker 1: stay in Ohio? I think it's a big question anyway,
Speaker 1: Nick Lachey eleven oh seven on The Scott's Own Show
Speaker 1: on seven hundred wwll do news weather is moving in
Speaker 1: one to three to five inches. The panic buying continues.
Speaker 1: We've got you covered here on the Home of the
Speaker 1: Red seven hundred ww Cincnati. But you are an awful person,
Speaker 1: possibly the worst person in the history of persons, because
Speaker 1: you eat meat.
Speaker 2: As a meat eater, you're a horrible person.
Speaker 1: That's usually the way militant vegans look at those of
Speaker 1: us who enjoy meat products. And here to persuade you
Speaker 1: to change your ways is doctor John Sambu Matsu. Good morning.
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good, God, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well? Thanks. I'm an omnivore. I like it all.
Speaker 2: What do we get wrong about meat?
Speaker 3: Sure? Well, you know I grew up the same way.
Speaker 6: But what we get wrong about meat is what we
Speaker 6: get wrong about pretty much everything else.
Speaker 3: The problem isn't meat. The problem isn't eating animals. The
Speaker 3: problem is what we do to animals.
Speaker 6: And what we do is we inflict mass violence against
Speaker 6: them on them. And you know, I'm sure, well, let
Speaker 6: me ask you, do you do care about animals?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I have a dog love animals.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: Now, the thing is when we when we're raised, we
Speaker 6: think of dogs and cats as somehow special. You know
Speaker 6: that they're not like other animals, And it's simply not
Speaker 6: the case scientifically. How pigs, chickens, sheep and so forth
Speaker 6: are just as intelligent, just as affectionate, just is capable
Speaker 6: of complex emotions as our own cats and dogs.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a fact, Okay, I don't discount that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So right now, people don't realize that the system that
Speaker 3: we have in place, the food system, is killing about
Speaker 3: eighty billion land animals every year, mostly birds animals, and
Speaker 3: up to two point seven trillion marine animals every single year.
Speaker 3: So there's this enormous mass of violence that has to
Speaker 3: happen in order for us to eat our meat.
Speaker 1: Yea fe And here's why I think most people are
Speaker 1: fine with that. And I'm sure you know this is
Speaker 1: the fact that, well, the animal kingdom in itself is
Speaker 1: extremely violent. You know, a lion never gets permission to
Speaker 1: eat a zebra thoesn't zero craps about its fields. Now,
Speaker 1: as we get into the manufacturing and the business of
Speaker 1: food manufacturing, including livestock, you know, different story. And I
Speaker 1: understand and I get it that there are some mortal
Speaker 1: implications there. But we have that we have because of
Speaker 1: a higher learning. We have something that the rest most
Speaker 1: of the other animal kingdom has, and that's a sense
Speaker 1: of morality. There's no morality, that's a that's a human construct.
Speaker 6: Well yes, no, Actually, the late primatologists, friends to Wall
Speaker 6: and others have done enormous research on this, and they've
Speaker 6: demonstrated that feelings of reciprocity, empathy, altruism in fact, can
Speaker 6: be found in many, many, many species, so we i
Speaker 6: mean humans.
Speaker 3: Arrived on them as well.
Speaker 6: Our sci safety has arrived here about evolved here about
Speaker 6: two hund and fifty thousand years ago, So we're late
Speaker 6: comers to complex emotions like empathy. So it's true that
Speaker 6: only humans can talk about an annual, constant, categorical imperative,
Speaker 6: which is, you know, a moral philosophy. So that doesn't
Speaker 6: mean that that they said, you know, sentiments of care,
Speaker 6: sentiments of fairness are not found in other species. Right,
Speaker 6: if you've ever lived with two cats or two dogs
Speaker 6: or whatnot, you know there's a kind of negotiating.
Speaker 1: Right, But you're but you're equating livestock with domesticated animals.
Speaker 1: So that's a false equivalency.
Speaker 3: Why is that a false equivalence?
Speaker 1: Well, because in the wild that doesn't exist. Now, you
Speaker 1: may have primates that exhibit familial type of situations in context.
Speaker 1: We see that with the late Jane goodall right, we
Speaker 1: see that all the time. But when you're talking about
Speaker 1: animals that provide sustenance for for human beings, that's entirely
Speaker 1: a different matter. I mean, maybe within these species itself
Speaker 1: or within the particular family, like a family of deer.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, the tiger or the lion, or
Speaker 1: the predator, be it a hawk or whatever, it doesn't
Speaker 1: give a damn about the feelings of that animal.
Speaker 2: It's it's a meal.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sure, But but as you were saying, you know,
Speaker 6: we're not obgate carnivores, right, Lions look lions. If there
Speaker 6: was a pack of lions somewhere, okay in Africa that
Speaker 6: was debating whether to eat the als or not. And
Speaker 6: this goes to your point about humans, you know, being
Speaker 6: the only species with the kind of discourse about morality.
Speaker 6: Right if one line says the other, hey, Joe, you
Speaker 6: know you know those those gazelle's taste really good. But
Speaker 6: I just I just have a bad feeling about it.
Speaker 6: Like I was looking into the eye of that gausel
Speaker 6: and I thought, you know what, we're not so different
Speaker 6: me and that causeelle and the other and the other
Speaker 6: lines and the other line say, well, you know what,
Speaker 6: now they're just so good.
Speaker 3: I just want to go on.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 6: The thing is lions have to eat other animals. That's
Speaker 6: just biologically the fact that it's not true and people
Speaker 6: misunderstand what it means to be quote and omnivle. It
Speaker 6: doesn't mean that we have a moral or any other
Speaker 6: kind of license to commit harm against other beings. It
Speaker 6: means that we can metabolize pretty.
Speaker 3: Much anything, including I would point out humans, right, I
Speaker 3: mean cannibalism, anthropocages, and part of human many men, hundreds
Speaker 3: of human cultures for thousands of years eating parts of
Speaker 3: the human body. So we can't simply say, oh, it's natural.
Speaker 1: It isn't.
Speaker 3: It is no more natural than like downloading Netflix or something.
Speaker 3: It's a cultural choice we make so and there's no
Speaker 3: reason why we have to keep doing this.
Speaker 1: And furthermore, well, okay, let's let's get an argument at
Speaker 1: doctor John Samba Matsu the omnivorous deception, and and the
Speaker 1: premise here is is it the morality of it? Is
Speaker 1: that the environmental aspect, I mean, is there such a
Speaker 1: thing as humane meat? Are you saying that's impossible?
Speaker 6: Yes, I am saying that's impossible. Look, I mean if
Speaker 6: someone came into your you said you have a dog,
Speaker 6: someone came in. Yeah, someone came into your house, and
Speaker 6: you know, bleudging your dog to death or stab your
Speaker 6: dog in the throat or stomped on your dog or
Speaker 6: skin your dog alive.
Speaker 3: You would be troump and that was in front of you,
Speaker 3: you would be traumatized.
Speaker 1: And I would, But you know when I wouldn't if
Speaker 1: I live in a country that in an Asian country
Speaker 1: where that was looked upon as as a meal, like
Speaker 1: like how those in India look at cows.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's cultural, and it's it's it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a new it's right, it's all fabricated in the
Speaker 1: human mind. We can certainly know, but we can do
Speaker 1: better by being, you know, better stewards of the earth
Speaker 1: in the animal kingdom. Certainly, you know, factory farming. We
Speaker 1: know that there's a lot of negative, a lot of
Speaker 1: bad things that go on there. But the idea that
Speaker 1: somehow we just wake up in a perfect world we
Speaker 1: be all vegetarians, isn't Isn't there also a hazard in that?
Speaker 6: No, there's no hazard in it. On the contrary, the
Speaker 6: animal food economy is destroying. It's undermining the conditions of
Speaker 6: all life on this planet. It's the most destructive force
Speaker 6: on the Earth in terms of destroying top soil, in
Speaker 6: terms of depleting water, destroying biodiversity, leading cause and massive
Speaker 6: distinction crisis.
Speaker 3: Which people don't even talk about.
Speaker 6: And that's even worse than global warming, which animal agriculture
Speaker 6: is contributing about thirty percent of greenhouse gases to. So no,
Speaker 6: we have every intens to stop this. I mean, vegans
Speaker 6: and vegetarians on balance, if you look at all the
Speaker 6: ethical studies, live longer, they do better, they have lower
Speaker 6: rates of parties.
Speaker 3: These strokes okay.
Speaker 1: But aren't many people's food choices literally constrained by economics
Speaker 1: and culture and geography.
Speaker 2: In a perfect world, you could do that, but this
Speaker 2: is not. It's an imperfect world.
Speaker 1: And framing this is an individual moral choice, it ignores
Speaker 1: the issues of food access, agricultural pality, governments, politics, and
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. You're ignoring that, You're you're ignoring
Speaker 1: what creates this, and you can't do that.
Speaker 3: No, I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't agree with that. I mean that the food
Speaker 6: insecurity is being created by the animal system because it's
Speaker 6: creating enormous disparities of wealth between the North and the south.
Speaker 6: You talk, you talk about people, farmers being thrown off
Speaker 6: their land and the Amazon and so forth. To burn
Speaker 6: down the Amazon rainforest by jbs. It suppliers to create
Speaker 6: UH to provide beef. It's the most inefficient, wasteful way
Speaker 6: to create food for humans. But just to correct you,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying that this is a question of individual
Speaker 6: moral choice, not at all.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that this entire system has to be abolished, all.
Speaker 6: Of it, because none of it is necessary, excuse me,
Speaker 6: And all of it is wrong, it's unjust.
Speaker 1: But again, you keep getting back to the semantics of
Speaker 1: the human mind of unjust in these and their feelings
Speaker 1: is what they are.
Speaker 2: Morality of sense, but it has no basis in the
Speaker 2: real world.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I keep ethics, so I can't agree with
Speaker 3: you on this. I mean when you know you were saying, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know every everyone's ethics seem these days to be
Speaker 1: up to the individual the eyes of the beholder, So
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any Well, that's that's moral
Speaker 1: high ground here.
Speaker 3: That's called moral relatives.
Speaker 6: And getting back to a question i'd asked you about
Speaker 6: how you would feel if someone attacked your dogs. You said, well,
Speaker 6: and you said, if I'd been raised differently in another culture,
Speaker 6: I might feel differently. That's true, but it's irrelevant because
Speaker 6: your your capacity to using your intelligence and your empathy
Speaker 6: to understand what had what would have been done to
Speaker 6: your dog. You would understand that was unjust, that was
Speaker 6: wrong to do to your dog, and it has nothing
Speaker 6: to do with your cultural upbringing. I'm saying that that's
Speaker 6: act knowledge, that's real knowledge. Whereas people in another culture
Speaker 6: who might have been socialized to see dogs simply as
Speaker 6: things be exploited and harmed, they are incorrect. You can't
Speaker 6: compare those two forms of knowledge and say they're equipment.
Speaker 6: They're not equivalent. You're understanding that your dog has personhood.
Speaker 6: That is to say, is a someone.
Speaker 3: Sure if your dog is a human right, but that
Speaker 3: is that is that's a valid insight Scott, that you
Speaker 3: have having lived with dogs. That's not true. That's not true.
Speaker 2: Okay, But again it's you're taking out.
Speaker 1: I suppose there are people who love pigs or eels
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, and we look at it going,
Speaker 1: I don't get it, it's not for me, but that
Speaker 1: that in itself is human nature. How do you propose
Speaker 1: you well, I guess before we get to that, John, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the idea so in apperfect. What would happen to the
Speaker 1: animal kingdom, we just let the animals run. What would
Speaker 1: there be any justification for killing animals, whether for pleasure
Speaker 1: obviously hunting would be out with you, but for a
Speaker 1: food source.
Speaker 2: Do we just let the animal kingdom run its af.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's have a moratorium on the harm that we're committing.
Speaker 6: I just said that we're killing twillions of animals per year.
Speaker 6: We're wiping them out like sharks.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I asked my students sometimes how many humans are killed
Speaker 6: by sharks every year? And you know, interestingly, they get
Speaker 6: that about like they say about you know, between ten
Speaker 6: and fifteen humans are killed by sharks every year, and
Speaker 6: we think the sharks are scary, dangerous, irrational creatures. Right,
Speaker 6: there's the fiftieth anniversary year of Jaws. But then I
Speaker 6: asked them, well, how many sharks are killed by humans
Speaker 6: every year? And they guess, oh, thousands, No, thousand, Okay,
Speaker 6: it's one hundred million. It's one hundred million sharks every
Speaker 6: year are being killed by humans. And those are intelligent,
Speaker 6: sensitive creatures and we don't even know. People don't even
Speaker 6: know that because they're considered.
Speaker 2: Because of a Steven Spielberg movie.
Speaker 3: Well, Spielberg's need to have a huge had a huge impact.
Speaker 6: Right, So the sharks sin supernat But listen, my point
Speaker 6: is this, other animals are interesting, intelligent, They're worthy of
Speaker 6: our respect and our compassion.
Speaker 3: They're worthy of our love, you know, And we shouldn't destroy.
Speaker 6: We can't let me. We can't love what we seek
Speaker 6: to destroy. So yes, hunting, fishing.
Speaker 3: We don't need any of that. There've been vegetarians for
Speaker 3: three thousand years, vegan diety, so it's.
Speaker 1: Slio only like ten to twenty percent of the population.
Speaker 1: I mean, if your idea was so sound, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: we see more of it, especially not just in developed
Speaker 1: nations but elsewhere.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not as though, you know, the best ideas
Speaker 3: went out.
Speaker 6: Look, Jesus came up two thousand years ago and said, hey,
Speaker 6: let's you know, love your brother.
Speaker 3: So they killed him, you know, and how have humans
Speaker 3: been doing since then? Right? Whatever?
Speaker 6: You know, Martin Luther King, hey let's let's have love,
Speaker 6: racial equality and end to war.
Speaker 3: And they killed him too, like right, because.
Speaker 1: There's no because there's no universal I mean, we like
Speaker 1: to think there's a universal morality speaking of the Bible,
Speaker 1: but it's not. And that's why we have we have
Speaker 1: human conflict, which is outside the scope of this conversations.
Speaker 1: We're talking about eliminating the meat economy, So no, no
Speaker 1: killing of animals and a prof in doctor John's world,
Speaker 1: we don't have. We have animals just living their lives grazing.
Speaker 1: What do we do so then we would need obviously
Speaker 1: more crop Well, I don't know if we more crops,
Speaker 1: we still need crops to survive. How do you balance
Speaker 1: the fact that the animals would just eat the crops
Speaker 1: and how would you keep those animals in check from
Speaker 1: eating all your crops.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you know, we this idea of
Speaker 6: wild nature basically had ceased to exist because we've we've
Speaker 6: turned the entirety of the world into a kind of
Speaker 6: prison house.
Speaker 3: Ninety ninety six percent I believe.
Speaker 6: Of all mammals on the Earth by biomass by weight,
Speaker 6: excluding humans, are our prisoners waiting slaughter. Ninety six percent
Speaker 6: on the entire earthmall birds on the planetact are our
Speaker 6: prisoners waiting slaughter. So, and the thing is, if we
Speaker 6: if we stopped raising animals, we've closed down the speed loots,
Speaker 6: we would be able to reforce the earth that would
Speaker 6: sequester up.
Speaker 1: But if you let these animals just simply go Okay,
Speaker 1: you're free. Now you're released from this prison that you
Speaker 1: just said. Won't they just continue to breed and if
Speaker 1: they breed, they breed up to the point where they
Speaker 1: can sustain life, which means eating our food supply. How
Speaker 1: do you balance that out? If the animals run wild
Speaker 1: and you're not allowed to kill them, John, what's going
Speaker 1: to prevent them from eating all our food?
Speaker 6: I think that you know, it's a serious question to
Speaker 6: ask what we're going to do with the existing animals
Speaker 6: we're brought into them, you know, uh, sexually reproduced, mutilated
Speaker 6: in order to bring into the world for our purposes.
Speaker 6: That's that's a legitimate question. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 6: we should stop sexually reproducing keeping confining new animals because
Speaker 6: we could, we could save this out, this out.
Speaker 1: Well, while with the old animals continue to breed, and
Speaker 1: you're not answering the questions like they're just going to
Speaker 1: eat all our food, aren't they?
Speaker 6: They're not going to eat all our food. They're already
Speaker 6: eating first of all, the the food that's being grown.
Speaker 6: It's not being grown for human consumption. It's being grown
Speaker 6: to create profits for you know pargy.
Speaker 2: Now, and we also the fact that we like it's profit. John,
Speaker 2: But I like a steak. I know you don't.
Speaker 1: But steak, chicken, fish, foul, I'm a big fan, is
Speaker 1: about ninety eighty to ninety percent of the rest of
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: So don't diminish that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, but you know, there's such a thing as
Speaker 6: moral enlightenment, and that's what I'm talking about here. I'm
Speaker 6: talking about you said you like, well I did too.
Speaker 3: I used to like that stuff. But the human talent
Speaker 3: is plastic, it's malleable.
Speaker 6: I don't miss any of that stuff, you know, having
Speaker 6: made that transition forty years ago. Seriously, I mean, if
Speaker 6: you talk to anyone who's actually made that transition, they
Speaker 6: don't look back.
Speaker 3: It's simply right. I mean people, well, but.
Speaker 1: That's not you. That's not all vegetarians are I mean,
Speaker 1: vegans a different class. But plenty of people who have
Speaker 1: experimented with that said, yeah, it's just not for me.
Speaker 1: I don't feel well. I enjoy having maybe less meat
Speaker 1: but still eating meat.
Speaker 6: Well, we're talking about different kinds of goods here, right,
Speaker 6: which I mean you're you're talking about pleasure, you know,
Speaker 6: having a an aesthetic preference on the one hand, and
Speaker 6: I'm talking about something that's deeply deeply wrong, deeply deeply wrong.
Speaker 6: It's simply, deeply, deeply wrong to inflict unnecessary violence, extreme
Speaker 6: violence on other beings, helpless, defenseless, intelligent beings, is simply
Speaker 6: wrong to do.
Speaker 1: Then have a conversation with tigers and lions. Well, will
Speaker 1: they listen to you? Will they just eat you?
Speaker 6: Well, as I just said, you know, we're not oppigate
Speaker 6: carnivores and we can we have a choice, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: how you saying Leonardo da Vinci and Jane You mentioned
Speaker 6: Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall was a vegan, She advocated the
Speaker 6: vegan Was she was she crazy?
Speaker 3: Was she? No?
Speaker 1: But but you think people who eat meat are that's
Speaker 1: the difference. I respect your decision. But do you think
Speaker 1: that I'm some sort of criminal against the world because
Speaker 1: I enjoy a steak?
Speaker 2: That's crazy?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying you're a criminal, but I'm saying that
Speaker 6: it's wrong. Yeah, And I think that you should think
Speaker 6: about it and make it and and do something differently
Speaker 6: about with your life.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 6: I think that's that's true. And I think it's true
Speaker 6: that people who don't reflect in this matter are missing
Speaker 6: something very important. I mean, I begin my book by saying, Look,
Speaker 6: people think the question of need and eating animal product
Speaker 6: is trivial.
Speaker 3: What could be more trivial?
Speaker 6: Right? I'm sure on your talk show you have a
Speaker 6: you know, lots of debates about a lot of really
Speaker 6: important topical issues, right, and your listeners, you know, take
Speaker 6: these issues seriously. This is the one where you cannot
Speaker 6: talk to anyone without them going holistic. If a vegan
Speaker 6: is in the room and says, hey, here's the system
Speaker 6: of math, violence, of degradation and cruelty, and I don't
Speaker 6: want to participate in that. If we even say that, right,
Speaker 6: fine with that.
Speaker 1: No, I respect your No. I can't say for the
Speaker 1: person who may be listening to this right now y'all
Speaker 1: get their radio. But I know I totally was. I
Speaker 1: don't think I was disrespectful. I'm challenging, but I respect
Speaker 1: your viewpoint. I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not saying no. I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying you, but I'm just saying that general
Speaker 6: vegan people get not they go. They're very defensive about
Speaker 6: this because they do not want to examine the issue.
Speaker 6: And I just ask people read my book and keep
Speaker 6: an open mind. Just read the first chapter of my
Speaker 6: book and keep an open mind, and I think that
Speaker 6: what will happen. You'll see things a little differently. That's
Speaker 6: what I'm trying to do, is people to understand that
Speaker 6: this is something that matters. It's not to be dismissed.
Speaker 6: And you know, with bad arguments, you know, I get
Speaker 6: so many bad arguments, Well what about carrots? Carrots are
Speaker 6: alive too, you know, what about it? Or what about
Speaker 6: you know, the line with the gazelle. That has nothing
Speaker 6: to do okay, whether we should keep pigs and kill them,
Speaker 6: there's nothing. Just what the lines do with their business,
Speaker 6: you know. And I'm saying there's nothing to do with uh.
Speaker 12: I think it does.
Speaker 1: I just think we have a lot of humans, a
Speaker 1: lot of time on our hands and Google an AI,
Speaker 1: and I think we sit around worrying about stuff that
Speaker 1: previous generations probably didn't worry about it. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we can't be better with the environment. We need to
Speaker 1: and and better stewards of the animal kingdom, for sure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't really have much qualms from aray
Speaker 1: a morality standpoint about eating meat.
Speaker 6: But again, it's not about Leney. But it's not about
Speaker 6: eating meat. It's like, how can you how can you
Speaker 6: be indifferent, Scott? How can you be in different to
Speaker 6: this incredible violence and pools that's being inflicted on billions
Speaker 6: and billions of your fellows.
Speaker 1: If I eat meat, then I'm mortally implicit. I'm guilty
Speaker 1: of the the you know, quote unquote crime that you're intinuating.
Speaker 1: But hey, I gotta get going if doctor Johnson, But
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I really enjoyed the conversation, the ominimor's deception,
Speaker 1: what we get wrong about meat, animals, and ourselves.
Speaker 2: Lots of think about there. All the best, got luck
Speaker 2: with the book, and thanks for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Scott.
Speaker 2: Yes, the age old debate about meat. Should I eat it?
Speaker 2: Should I not eat it?
Speaker 1: Am I eating the face of a poor animal that
Speaker 1: has been raised in horrible conditions by horrible people with
Speaker 1: horrible intent? That is making the planet more horrible? Some
Speaker 1: people believe that.
Speaker 2: Other people believe, Hey, you know what my ancestors did,
Speaker 2: It were wired that way. It is all good.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you next why he might get
Speaker 1: his way and your thoughts on this whole thing too, maybe, uh,
Speaker 1: you're not ready to give up a drumstick yet, and
Speaker 1: I'll probably from your cold dead hands. That's kind of
Speaker 1: how I feel. But what's the future role. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that right afternoon. Sloaney on seven hundred WW. Sloony
Speaker 1: here seven hundred WW. God knows how I am a
Speaker 1: creature of advertising marketing, but got our friends from Fox
Speaker 1: nineteen Ken ken Baker's on kicking with can Man and uh,
Speaker 1: Friday is froz O Day. Frozen yogurt tans doing this
Speaker 1: thing from a yogurt place like I. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you scheduled this ahead of time because it takes concembla,
Speaker 1: But I don't know how many people are rocking on.
Speaker 1: You know what I need today with the three five
Speaker 1: inches coming, Gotta get some frozen yogurt in me.
Speaker 2: Maybe soup, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I would tell a man do his job. He's good
Speaker 2: at it. He's good at it.
Speaker 1: Sloane here on seven hundred wlw Uh, speaking of food
Speaker 1: related things, just got off with doctor John Sun Bamatsu
Speaker 1: has a book out about why We're all evil if
Speaker 1: you eat meat. And the idea is if you eliminate meat,
Speaker 1: the world will be a better place. And I'll play
Speaker 1: that game a little bit, because then we get into
Speaker 1: the you know, and I was guilty of a two that.
Speaker 1: You know, a tiger doesn't really care because they don't
Speaker 1: have empathy, they don't have feels like we do, as
Speaker 1: to why they would eat in another animal. It's simply sustenance.
Speaker 1: And the argument about humane treatment always comes up too.
Speaker 1: And the problem isn't eating the animals, right, it's about
Speaker 1: factory farming, okay, because there's damage to the earth, the
Speaker 1: eCos for everything suffers because of our dependence on meat.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's play the game a second. I
Speaker 1: don't have time to get into it with him, but
Speaker 1: this is about affordability largely drives all of us. I
Speaker 1: don't care how third world you might be, but it's
Speaker 1: an issue of supply Demand's about affordability. And we said
Speaker 1: that as capitalists here in America, or at least our
Speaker 1: version of it anyway. But let me explain a second.
Speaker 1: So the problem is factory farming. Get away with the
Speaker 1: factory farms, and some, not all, will admit that, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, if you did like locally raised, locally sourced materis,
Speaker 1: that's great, that's awesome, locally sourced, okay, But what happens
Speaker 1: if you get away from the factory farming and the
Speaker 1: problems that factory farming has, Well, what winds up happening
Speaker 1: is no one can afford the product he mark. So
Speaker 1: ultimately is that your goal kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: by taxing the crap out of gas, by getting rid
Speaker 1: of parking in Cincinnati, drive the cost of it up,
Speaker 1: and therefore it's like, well, maybe now this will push
Speaker 1: you towards public transports, It'll push you towards an ev
Speaker 1: right because the gas prices, you're going to get rid
Speaker 1: of that gas guzzling suv or big truck. Why we
Speaker 1: because gas is now it's incredible, it's ten dollars a gallon,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna get small cars. I mean, that's you know,
Speaker 1: how we rearrange the economy through policy in order to
Speaker 1: force people to do what normally we don't want to do.
Speaker 1: And that's used by both Democrats and Republicans. But let's
Speaker 1: just consider ford All went away. First of all, you
Speaker 1: would have a massive black market emergence as you did
Speaker 1: when we banned the good idea of hey, we need
Speaker 1: to ban alcohol in America. What's the worst that could happen? Well,
Speaker 1: people die from bathtub gin. Well you had the rise
Speaker 1: of gangsters. Well you had you know, in a time
Speaker 1: we need to need it. You had job loss, okay,
Speaker 1: and the same thing would happen here. You'd have black markets,
Speaker 1: you would have massive job think of the ranching, meat processing, dairy,
Speaker 1: leather goods, food manufacturer supply chains would collapse, and you
Speaker 1: have these rural communities. What's left of rural communities are
Speaker 1: built around livestock operations. It would face an incredible economic collapse.
Speaker 1: And you're talking around the globe, probably tens of millions
Speaker 1: of jobs. And what are the transferable skills? If you're
Speaker 1: a rancher too, what are you going to do? And
Speaker 1: not only that, you have immigrant labor, largely immigrant labor.
Speaker 1: People the lowest rung of the American totem pole hoping
Speaker 1: to get their foot up are in the meat processing workforce.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm sure that the same folks worry
Speaker 1: about vulnerable populations, that's a pretty vulnerable population. And what
Speaker 1: about all from a business side, you have these huge
Speaker 1: capital investments in slaughterhouses and processing facilities, refrigeration storage, what
Speaker 1: about people who service those things? The financial system would
Speaker 1: absolutely blown apart if you just simply said, okay, that's it,
Speaker 1: we're going to a factory farming. And I think you
Speaker 1: know the other things too, is the products the byproducts
Speaker 1: from animal agriculture are used in different industries, so it
Speaker 1: wouldn't just be in that sector, be in I don't know,
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals for example. You know insulin historically we get from pigs.
Speaker 1: How do you replace that on the scale you need
Speaker 1: to replace it? Did you think about that? And the
Speaker 1: act is like, well, we just returned the land of
Speaker 1: mother nature. Okay, so the grazing land and I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, in Montana, for example, we got a lot
Speaker 1: of range out there, you know, the pastures or in
Speaker 1: Scotland for them in the Scottish highlands, so you just
Speaker 1: can't convert that to grow soybean. You're pretty limited in
Speaker 1: what you can develop on that land. And so the
Speaker 1: land becomes unproductive, what happens to the asset and the
Speaker 1: value there and the control grazing on the same so
Speaker 1: is used for land management. So you know, we were
Speaker 1: about wildfires, Well, wouldn't we have more fires because you
Speaker 1: don't have the animals that are eating that stuff if
Speaker 1: you just simply reverted the land back to mother nature.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of conservation efforts depend
Speaker 1: on livestock to maintain those habitats, and if you removed
Speaker 1: all the animal agriculture, you have these the new set
Speaker 1: of unintended ecological consequences. So we're trying to avoid all
Speaker 1: the pitfalls of factory farming, the waste by products and
Speaker 1: the demand on the environment and greenhouse gases. Okay, oh
Speaker 1: well and good, But the other side of that would
Speaker 1: be what I just described here. We'd have a different
Speaker 1: set but a holy new set of problems, not only
Speaker 1: for humanity but for the environment.
Speaker 2: So what are you solving? You're just trading one problem
Speaker 2: for another. It sounds like, and.
Speaker 1: You know, I get there's a humanitarian principle here and
Speaker 1: how we're treating the earth and all that stuff, But
Speaker 1: you know, there is a factor that we have and
Speaker 1: not only that, if you look at factory farming, the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem is the factory farming.
Speaker 2: But what did that mean?
Speaker 1: So industrial agriculture as we know it, factor of going
Speaker 1: from the locally sourced stuff like we have now. And
Speaker 1: if you're wealthy and you know you're educating, you can
Speaker 1: afford it. You can afford to go to a store
Speaker 1: and buy all vegan, all you know, locally sourd stuff.
Speaker 1: That's great, but it's going to cost you a lot
Speaker 1: more money that most people don't have. And so what
Speaker 1: happened was industrial agriculture increase meat and dairy and egg production,
Speaker 1: and it dropped costs because you're doing it in scale.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you think about it, you go
Speaker 1: back to nineteen hundred, a chicken was a luxury. That's
Speaker 1: why you know Sunday dinn we're having chicken on Sunday
Speaker 1: because maybe the only day of the week he got meat.
Speaker 1: Because I think I saw this in I think nineteen hundred,
Speaker 1: for example, a whole chicken would cause to eight day's wages. Today,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Costco and get an entire
Speaker 1: roast chicken for six dollars six bucks. That is an
Speaker 1: incredible Now we're all paying the prime. You know, back
Speaker 1: to the human suffering going on. We're all eating or
Speaker 1: we're killing ourselves with a knife and fork. Sure, but
Speaker 1: the access of protein which we know is critical to
Speaker 1: our livelihood, was unknown back in the day.
Speaker 2: Well everyone was thinned back that. Yeah, because food was
Speaker 2: a luxury. Man. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that water,
Speaker 2: clean water was a luxury.
Speaker 1: That's why people were in soldiers a ration ale because
Speaker 1: it was clean. You know, you weren't going to get
Speaker 1: sick from drinking contaminated water.
Speaker 2: So they drank.
Speaker 1: Wow, they got drunk while they're fighting. No, it's because
Speaker 1: if you drink, you'd get sick and die dysentery. We
Speaker 1: don't have that problem anymore. And I mentioned you know
Speaker 1: the pigs and the insulin. Well, we've got evolutions and
Speaker 1: genetics and veterinarian medicine and all these things because of
Speaker 1: our need for animals. So you can make a case
Speaker 1: that the human condition got better now. Granted, there are
Speaker 1: people around the world still starving. That's the great paradox
Speaker 1: of the world is that we've got all those food
Speaker 1: and even in our own country, right, we waste a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. But my god, a couple of generations
Speaker 1: they'd be looking at like, man, you guys hit the
Speaker 1: jackpot here.
Speaker 2: You can get a hold chicken for six bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was you know certainly.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say in someone's lifetime right now, be like
Speaker 1: you one hundred and twenty six years old. But yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly your parents, great your grandparents for sure may remember
Speaker 1: those days, or great grandparents for that matter. Anyway, careful
Speaker 1: what you wish for, you might just get it. I
Speaker 1: think that is the takeaway from the we need to
Speaker 1: close the factory farms down. It's like, okay, let's just
Speaker 1: wave a magic want to do that, although probably would say, well,
Speaker 1: you're not good. You're going to do with the course
Speaker 1: of decades and yeah, but if the needle moves slowly,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to change at all. And
Speaker 1: I think the way they get what they want is
Speaker 1: to simply make everything so costly you have no afford.
Speaker 1: You know, you have no other way to eat and
Speaker 1: survive than to scrap to eat, you know, with the
Speaker 1: diet they kind of want. But does that what does
Speaker 1: that look like for our country? What's that look like
Speaker 1: for our world?
Speaker 3: For that matter?
Speaker 2: Again, you trade one problem for different ones. That's that's
Speaker 2: an issue.
Speaker 1: At five with three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand and two,
Speaker 1: Robin and Oxford on the Big One, Good morning, how
Speaker 1: are you hi?
Speaker 8: Scott, how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good.
Speaker 8: I listen to you quite a bit when I'm not working.
Speaker 2: I call myself quite a bit and I'm not working either.
Speaker 2: We have that in common.
Speaker 10: You talk.
Speaker 8: I talk almost as much as you do. Anyway, I'm
Speaker 8: totally with John I everything you just said. I enjoy
Speaker 8: your show. I agree with you on a lot of topics,
Speaker 8: but not this. You're you're you're skirting around. You're like
Speaker 8: diving in and out of the whole reality of the issue.
Speaker 13: What's the reality is what gives us human beings the
Speaker 13: right to eat another sensement being. I used to live
Speaker 13: on a cowl a beast cattle farm. Okay, I know
Speaker 13: when my ex would take the cows that he was taking.
Speaker 8: To slaughter out of the pastor. I mean you have
Speaker 8: to see it to believe it. And the others, I
Speaker 8: mean they form communities.
Speaker 13: The others would new and cry all night. I've been
Speaker 13: to a slaughterhouse, you know, the Paul McCartney. I'm saying,
Speaker 13: if squatter house has had glass walls, people wouldn't eat meat,
Speaker 13: and the whole, the whole. This is like I've never
Speaker 13: called into you, but this is like this is by
Speaker 13: the hot top of you.
Speaker 1: You're fired up.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 8: I am fired up the very firing personality. So you're okay.
Speaker 8: I'm sixty eight years old. You can look me up
Speaker 8: on Facebook. I don't have any heart disease. I don't
Speaker 8: have any blood pressure issues. I'm not diabetic.
Speaker 13: And if people look, I worked as a center director
Speaker 13: for years for Jenny Craig. The obesity, the heart disease,
Speaker 13: the diabetes in our country is is so disgustingly out
Speaker 13: of control.
Speaker 1: No, let me let me jump in. Let me jump
Speaker 1: in a second. Here a couple of points you made.
Speaker 1: Number one is on the Jenny Craig.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Part of the problem is it's not the factor eating meat.
Speaker 1: It's a factorating highly processed food. That's the problem that
Speaker 1: that has a lot to thriveboard. So it's not it's
Speaker 1: not a meat debate. And the other thing is he said,
Speaker 1: what gives us the right Well, the fact I can't
Speaker 1: see what I'm doing right now. Can you see what
Speaker 1: I'm doing right now? You probably can't see. I have
Speaker 1: an opposable thumb. And as as a human being, it's
Speaker 1: survival through sustenance. That is nothing new. I mean, we have.
Speaker 8: Without eating it. No I don't believe that at all grained.
Speaker 8: And that's a bunch of ship without meat and the
Speaker 8: and I probably.
Speaker 13: Spend half of what you need eat ors eat at
Speaker 13: the spend at the grocery store.
Speaker 8: I see, I may, but.
Speaker 1: But you may go spend a lot of money, I
Speaker 1: don't know, makeup or something. I look at you and go,
Speaker 1: why do you need all that money? You can't tell
Speaker 1: other people what to spend the money. I'm hey, I
Speaker 1: got a rob I gotta go. I appreciate I wish
Speaker 1: would have called earlier. That's pretty good, Robin and k Oxford. Thanks,
Speaker 1: so listen. I gotta get to a news update' run
Speaker 1: a little bit late. We got to switch it up.
Speaker 1: Was off of because nick Lache is waiting and he
Speaker 1: is trashing the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Nickolasche our.
Speaker 1: Nick Lache is calling demanding that Mike Brown sell the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. We'll find out who Nickolache is to demand
Speaker 1: someone sell something that they own. That's next on the show,
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl sixties all set.
Speaker 1: You got the Atriots back again, you got the Seattle
Speaker 1: Seahawks back again.
Speaker 2: The Bengals are not back again. The Bengals.
Speaker 1: It's been five years since our Bengals went to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and Nick Lache has had enough. He just
Speaker 1: dropped this song on social This is.
Speaker 2: In the name of j Barrow.
Speaker 7: Who should take your bells and go.
Speaker 1: On the phone. Well, damn, damn share.
Speaker 2: That's baby making music. That's not a diss track. That's
Speaker 2: baby making music.
Speaker 11: You got there, Well, maybe we killed two birds who
Speaker 11: wants thumb make some babies and people off?
Speaker 2: Wow that there you go?
Speaker 1: Well wow, how did I? How did I come into
Speaker 1: the sword? Well, it was because the Bengals suck. That's
Speaker 1: how you were born.
Speaker 11: That's how something, something good should come out of them.
Speaker 3: At this point, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Where are you right now?
Speaker 1: You're in l a.
Speaker 3: A.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're smart because it's too damn cold to
Speaker 1: come here and do this live right.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm talking to my family back back east and
Speaker 11: it is absolutely freezing cold. So uh yeah, I'm not
Speaker 11: I'm not jealous of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, missing we're jealous of you. We got snow today too.
Speaker 1: So how to help nickolaiche H? How did you become
Speaker 1: the de facto voice of those long abused Bengals fan?
Speaker 2: How did this happen.
Speaker 11: I'm a long abused Banks fan, you know. It's it's
Speaker 11: been I guess, about forty five years since I first
Speaker 11: started watching the Bengals, and I've been on the same
Speaker 11: you know, roller coaster that everyone else in that city has,
Speaker 11: and man, I don't know, it just felt like enough
Speaker 11: is enough. It's it's uh, you know, we've been so
Speaker 11: beat down in the fan base, and I feel like
Speaker 11: at this point, most people they're just like, well, I
Speaker 11: guess it's just the way it's going to be for
Speaker 11: my life, and we'll get them next year. And I
Speaker 11: just I feel like it doesn't have to be that way,
Speaker 11: you know. And I think people have started to lose hope,
Speaker 11: and even worse, I feel like eventually the players start
Speaker 11: to lose hope, and you get you get the Carson
Speaker 11: Palmer situation where players, you know, just want out. It's
Speaker 11: just it doesn't have to be that way. And and
Speaker 11: so I just was trying to find a fun, kind
Speaker 11: of interesting way to express all that dissatisfaction. And I
Speaker 11: love writing writing music, It's what I do obviously, so
Speaker 11: I figured this is a good way to kind of
Speaker 11: get my get my feelings out. Breck cathartic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have an opportunity to that. Most of
Speaker 1: us don't, all right, So it's not the first time.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been around long enough to remember the
Speaker 1: nineties and that that dire straight when fans were showing
Speaker 1: up to games with bags of their heads asking Mike
Speaker 1: to sell the team. Then what's changed in those last
Speaker 1: thirty years?
Speaker 11: Nothing, nothing's changed. I mean I think every now and then,
Speaker 11: and I said this in my in my post a
Speaker 11: few weeks back, when you know, when they announced they
Speaker 11: weren't making any changes to to to any of the personnel,
Speaker 11: to the coaching staff, to you know, Duke Tobin was
Speaker 11: coming back. I mean, I just said, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 11: We have totally accepted losing, and our ownership is not
Speaker 11: interested in winning. I mean, I think it's just purely
Speaker 11: what bigger sample size do we need at this point
Speaker 11: than you know, the thirty five years that he's run
Speaker 11: this team. I mean it's absolutely We've had eight winning seasons,
Speaker 11: eight in thirty five years. Yeah, yeah, I mean you
Speaker 11: can it's just dumb luck. And I said that, I said,
Speaker 11: every now and then we catch finding at the bottle
Speaker 11: might making Super Bowl when a playoff game, and it
Speaker 11: keeps us to the fan base on the hook. But
Speaker 11: I think we have to start to demand more. I mean,
Speaker 11: this is a football rabid city. We all know that
Speaker 11: we love football, We love our Bengals, and unfortunately our
Speaker 11: Bengals don't love us back. And that's you know, that's
Speaker 11: an abusive relationship, quite honestly, and and he needs to
Speaker 11: be called out for it. I mean the proof is
Speaker 11: in everyone's in the analytics these days, right, It's all
Speaker 11: a numbers game. In terms of the numbers. Mike Brown
Speaker 11: is a loser. He's a He's a historic loser. I
Speaker 11: didn't realize that Bengals set an NFL record for the
Speaker 11: fewest games needed to reach two hundred losses. I mean
Speaker 11: it's historic losing that we've all been witnessed to and
Speaker 11: quite frankly, have financially supported for the thirty five years.
Speaker 11: I mean, people, can you know, they're harder money. They
Speaker 11: take their harder money, go out to sit in the
Speaker 11: cold and watch what he refuses to improve as a
Speaker 11: product on the field, and it just it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well, but but I will say this, I think you're
Speaker 1: looking Nicklas ain't the wrong damn scoreboard to the best
Speaker 1: stretch arguably, and they might.
Speaker 2: Brown tenure was the Marvin Lewis hera.
Speaker 1: Six way had six wild card appearances in seven years,
Speaker 1: but six eliminations in those wildcard games never advanced.
Speaker 2: But you're looking at the wrong scoreboard.
Speaker 1: The value of this team, Nick is five point five
Speaker 1: billion with a buff of an initial investment I think
Speaker 1: of eight million dollars. That's a sixty nine thousand percent
Speaker 1: return since nineteen sixty seven, or twelve point four percent annually.
Speaker 1: That's better than the market average of ten percent. Are
Speaker 1: you looking at the wrong scoreboard.
Speaker 11: No, I'm looking at the right scorebard, which why I'm
Speaker 11: saying sell the team and take your five point nine
Speaker 11: or whatever it is billion, and walk into the sunset
Speaker 11: and let someone else take over the team who's interested
Speaker 11: in winning and interested in creating a winning culture for
Speaker 11: the people of Cincinnati. That's what we deserve as a
Speaker 11: fan base. That's what the Bengals deserve, the players deserve.
Speaker 11: You've shown clearly you're not interested in providing that, you know,
Speaker 11: in establishing a winning culture. Mike Brown's not interested in
Speaker 11: doing that. He's interested in the numbers. You just dropped
Speaker 11: he's interested in what the team's worth. So sell it
Speaker 11: and walk off into the sunset and let another ownership
Speaker 11: group come in who can who can try and do
Speaker 11: it the winner in Cincinnati. I know everyone's worried if
Speaker 11: Mike Brown sells the team that the Bengals are leaving Cincinnati.
Speaker 11: I don't think the NFL is interested in the Bengals
Speaker 11: leaving Cincinnati. It's good for the NFL to have a
Speaker 11: team in Cincinnati. It's good for the city. It's not
Speaker 11: There's plenty of other ownership groups that could come in,
Speaker 11: build a winner and keep it right there in Cincinnati.
Speaker 11: It doesn't have to be one of the others.
Speaker 1: Could you move it to Well, Cleveland needs a football team?
Speaker 1: Could we move to Cleveland.
Speaker 11: Wow, they've got a football team that may be even
Speaker 11: worse than ours. Sat again starts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: The minute we start comparing ourselves to the Browns, we're
Speaker 11: in really bad stage. So you know what the bottom
Speaker 11: line is, we have a probably not probably in one
Speaker 11: hundred percent. We have the most incredible quarterback in the
Speaker 11: history of our franchise who's in the prime of his career.
Speaker 11: And what I'm afraid of, and I think what the
Speaker 11: people is sin Satiy should be afraid of, is that
Speaker 11: he's going to get frustrated to the point of saying,
Speaker 11: you know what, I can't take this anymore. I want
Speaker 11: to win and it's not going to happen here, and
Speaker 11: I want out. And I think we saw shit. Is
Speaker 11: it out a little bit this year though, even though
Speaker 11: he would deny it, But this is the this is
Speaker 11: the prime moment. I thought, like many people did, that
Speaker 11: when he came, he's a perfect quarterback for our team.
Speaker 11: I O kid, And there I thought the whole thing
Speaker 11: was gonna change that finally the Bengal was gonna find
Speaker 11: a way to redefine who they were as a franchise.
Speaker 11: And here we are, you know, four or five years later,
Speaker 11: feeling like the same thing is happening all over again.
Speaker 11: And it's just it's it's really sad, honestly. It's just
Speaker 11: that for the people who have supported this team, you know,
Speaker 11: so passionately and loyally for for decades, and you know,
Speaker 11: he put through the same cycle of futilities, it's unfortunately,
Speaker 11: all right.
Speaker 1: Nickola, do you want you want to buy this? As
Speaker 1: if that says are you trying to leverage him? So
Speaker 1: you can squeeze and help buy this team. Maybe not
Speaker 1: just I mean, you've got that ridiculous love is blind money.
Speaker 1: I get that, the ninety eighth agreement, ridiculous ten seasons.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna shoot a here. You're a multi uh
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't even count that high. You got
Speaker 1: all this money, You're gonna buy this seam. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get some friends together. And this is about the leverage
Speaker 1: and Mike brought out so you can swoop in and
Speaker 1: save the day.
Speaker 11: I wish that was the case. I wish I had
Speaker 11: anything close to uh to the money would take to
Speaker 11: buy an enough a French No, of course not.
Speaker 3: I'm a fan.
Speaker 11: At the end of the day, I'm a fan, and
Speaker 11: I want to see this team when I've been through
Speaker 11: the heartbreak I've been, I've been at the playoff games.
Speaker 11: I've seen the futility. I've been you know, been to
Speaker 11: the Super Bowl, I've watched it all happen. I'm a fan,
Speaker 11: and I would love to see this horrible cycle that
Speaker 11: we've been living in as fans. I'd like to see
Speaker 11: it change. And I think that's never going to change
Speaker 11: as long as Mike Brown is the owner.
Speaker 1: What makes you think somebody somebody else comes in and
Speaker 1: buys it. I don't know, private equitever the hell it is? Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's not you're involved in this thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be they want up moving the team, or
Speaker 1: maybe careful what you wish for.
Speaker 2: Maybe it does get worse.
Speaker 1: Is that possible.
Speaker 11: I don't think it's possible for it get for it
Speaker 11: to get worse. Honestly, I think you know you can.
Speaker 11: You can luck yourself into a playoff appearance every few years.
Speaker 11: I don't think that that's I don't think that's a
Speaker 11: fear of it getting worse. But I do think that
Speaker 11: And I think people with sinstantia are are right to
Speaker 11: be a word, you know, worried about this, that someone
Speaker 11: would come in and move the team. I just don't
Speaker 11: think that's gonna happen. I've I've got strong, strong feelings
Speaker 11: that the NFL does not want to see the team move.
Speaker 11: I don't know if the NFL would would mind and
Speaker 11: that ownership change. I mean, look at Buffalo. You know,
Speaker 11: they've they were sold. Rob Wilson, you know, passed, and
Speaker 11: they sold the team and now they're building a new
Speaker 11: stadium and the team's you know, for a playoff, you know, contender.
Speaker 11: So I mean, it doesn't mean the team has to move.
Speaker 11: Cincinnati is a great football town. I mean, look, my god,
Speaker 11: we've supported a team that's been horrible. We've been selling
Speaker 11: out that stadium for for for decades on on on
Speaker 11: horrible products that are being praded out in front of us.
Speaker 11: I mean, what more do you need to see, you know,
Speaker 11: as an owner than that. It doesn't mean the team
Speaker 11: is moving and leaving Cincinnati if the ownership changes. Also
Speaker 11: what they watched. But that's what they watch to think though, right,
Speaker 11: I mean, it's your base, you know, mentality like hey,
Speaker 11: well yeah, don't take the team, just we don't.
Speaker 4: We don't care what it looks like.
Speaker 11: Just don't take our teams. Don't take our team. I
Speaker 11: think that's that's kind of what we've been, you know,
Speaker 11: like a bludgeoned into into believing it's not it's not
Speaker 11: necessarily the case.
Speaker 2: Here's what, here's why I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: Right, there's the Art Modell rule with basically said when
Speaker 1: Art Modell moved the move to Baltimore and subsequent win
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, to tell you how curse Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Maybe the state is with professional football.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they enacted the Armada, so meaning
Speaker 1: if you take public money that you've got to give
Speaker 1: them six months to get a Ohio ownership group together
Speaker 1: to buy the team at fair market value. That's what
Speaker 1: it says. So they just took public money. By the way,
Speaker 1: seventy four percent of the money to redo pay Corps
Speaker 1: is from the tax payers. The other twenty four twenty
Speaker 1: six percent is from the Bengals in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: kind of a minimal investment right there. But you know,
Speaker 1: only in Cincinnati we celebrate we're getting screwed, but we're
Speaker 1: getting screwed less than we did in the nineteen nineties
Speaker 1: with that horrific stadium deal.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I've got the best stadium doing the league.
Speaker 3: They.
Speaker 11: I mean, up until about ten years ago, when the
Speaker 11: NFL implemented a floor to the salary cap, the Bengals
Speaker 11: were spending less than anybody else in the league. Like
Speaker 11: it's because of the revenue sharing. They're making all kinds
Speaker 11: of money and they're not even pumping it back into
Speaker 11: their own roster. It wasn't until the NFL changed the
Speaker 11: rule to force teams like the Bengals to actually spend
Speaker 11: the money on their players that they even did that.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no more.
Speaker 11: Evidence we need to see that this ownership group does
Speaker 11: not care about winning. They simply don't. They care about
Speaker 11: all the numbers you illustrated earlier with the team's worth
Speaker 11: so great, I mean, what a phenomenal investment you inherited.
Speaker 11: Take it and run. Let somebody else come in who
Speaker 11: cares about winning.
Speaker 1: Nick Lashey, do you think that the Bengals care about Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: care about the fans?
Speaker 11: I mean, what evidence do you see at how active
Speaker 11: are they in the community. I mean, what about all
Speaker 11: the great foundations they know? I don't think they care
Speaker 11: about Cincinnati at all. I mean, and if they did,
Speaker 11: it would be about more than just money, right, Yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean this team is a part of the fabric
Speaker 11: of the city and everyone in that city wants to
Speaker 11: see him win. Everyone but the people who need to
Speaker 11: want to see them win, and that's the owners.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say this. I had a council member Mark
Speaker 1: Jeffries late last week on my show and we were
Speaker 1: talking about it. Kind of I didn't see this coming,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about one of his initiatives is youth
Speaker 1: football in the city. As you know, it's very expensive
Speaker 1: to rent fields at CPS because of crime. You have
Speaker 1: to have armed security and you run it from CPS.
Speaker 1: No youth football teams can afford that. You don't have
Speaker 1: that in the suburbs. You got that in Cincinnati. So
Speaker 1: he brought up the fact that you know the Reds
Speaker 1: obviously with the Reds Community Fund and the Urban Youth
Speaker 1: Academy does great.
Speaker 2: FC's doing that with you soccer.
Speaker 1: And then he brought up the Bengals and said, look,
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys at the top of the league, nine
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. They give back to the city
Speaker 1: of Dallas, to the community. The Packers do about a
Speaker 1: million and a half. My Bills do about a million.
Speaker 9: One.
Speaker 1: Seattle does six hundred and sixty two million. Cincinnati last
Speaker 1: year thirty thousand dollars, and the year before that, in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three was zero. Now, granted, you can do
Speaker 1: charitable donations and they're very generous. When I understand privately,
Speaker 1: they don't want the they don't really want the attention.
Speaker 1: They just want to do it from from a philanthropic
Speaker 1: perspective as opposed to getting credit. But when you're pooning
Speaker 1: up the money where for a stadium, you've kind of
Speaker 1: got to make the effort. You kind of got to
Speaker 1: make it known that you're doing. How easy it would
Speaker 1: be for them to lean into youth football in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: as the Reds did with baseball and FC would do
Speaker 1: with soccer.
Speaker 2: To your point, there's some ammunition here.
Speaker 11: I think it's I think it's an incredible point you
Speaker 11: just made, and it's one that a lot of people
Speaker 11: don't pay attention to. I mean, there's a lot of
Speaker 11: there's a lot of criticism of the Reds and and
Speaker 11: but baseball and football are two totally different. The animals,
Speaker 11: you know, the structure of those sports is totally different.
Speaker 11: The banks have absolutely zero excuse. They're making billions and
Speaker 11: as I said in my post a few weeks back,
Speaker 11: billions on the backs of hard working Sincnati's and you're
Speaker 11: going out there and spending their money on supporting this team.
Speaker 11: But we've we've made this family billions of dollars, and
Speaker 11: what have they given back to the community and the
Speaker 11: city that's doing that and supporting them. It's next to nothing.
Speaker 11: I mean, they don't care. I can't say it any
Speaker 11: more clearly, they simply don't care. They don't care about winning,
Speaker 11: and I don't think they care about the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 11: I think the evidence is and everything you just said.
Speaker 11: I mean, they care about making the money, and they've
Speaker 11: done it time and time again, and we've supported it
Speaker 11: time and time again.
Speaker 1: Nick Lache, you're you're not the first person to say, hey,
Speaker 1: sell the damn team already, and I'm load to tell
Speaker 1: people to do with their own damn money, because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day of tickets, I think we
Speaker 1: are like two one point two percent off season ticket
Speaker 1: sales year over year, which is, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like much, but in the NFL world, it's a lot,
Speaker 1: a little bit of a dropping. Some of the teams
Speaker 1: are doing that as well. People are still showing up
Speaker 1: for the product. Isn't that the issue?
Speaker 3: That is the issue?
Speaker 11: I mean, I think the people are scared to say, hey,
Speaker 11: we're gonna we're gonna, you know, we're going to vote
Speaker 11: with our pocket but you know, so to speak, and
Speaker 11: we're going to boake out the team and we're not
Speaker 11: going to show up well, and then he's going to
Speaker 11: take the team away. He'll move the team to San
Speaker 11: Diego and we lose our team. That's the that's the
Speaker 11: fear based model that we're operating in year in and
Speaker 11: year out. And I think it's time that we kind
Speaker 11: of have to demand more. I mean, we have to
Speaker 11: have an expectation of winning, or an expectation of at
Speaker 11: least running up front. Our scouting department is the smallest
Speaker 11: in the league. I mean, we clearly showed we can't
Speaker 11: evaluate talent, and we can't evaluate college talent. We can't
Speaker 11: even evaluate our talent. I mean, look at wwarth a
Speaker 11: few years back. The unatty wanted to stay here and
Speaker 11: Mike Brown told him he thought his best years were
Speaker 11: behind him. You know, well, go ahead, sign somewhere else.
Speaker 11: He goes on times with the Rams, there's a perennial Hall.
Speaker 3: Pro and wins the super Bowl of the year.
Speaker 11: We can't even evaluate our own town.
Speaker 3: It's a joke.
Speaker 11: If we spend no money to that, I shouldn't say
Speaker 11: we they spend no money to invest in the scouting
Speaker 11: department that can start to evaluate town or coaching staff.
Speaker 11: But we just accept losing just another year and today
Speaker 11: it's just it's nuts.
Speaker 1: Well, the good news is Reds Baseball is not that
Speaker 1: far far away. You got your Hano Suarez back in
Speaker 1: the lineup. But the bullpen looks good, the rotation looks good.
Speaker 1: You got depth on the outfield, you got depth in
Speaker 1: the bench. Better days are ahead for the Reds and
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 11: You know what I mean, it's there's all enohing but
Speaker 11: hope on the horizon, right. I mean, it's like when
Speaker 11: baseball season start. But gosh, I mean, at the end
Speaker 11: of the day, the great baseball town, it's also a
Speaker 11: great football town. And and this city deserves they deserve
Speaker 11: more again, man, I mean, Brown family has made so
Speaker 11: much money on the backs of Cincinnatian's great.
Speaker 3: Good for you.
Speaker 11: Let somebody else come in and buy the team. Who
Speaker 11: cares about winning? Because it's clear to me, and I
Speaker 11: should be clear to everybody that the Brown family simply
Speaker 11: does not. So you know, I mean, if you care
Speaker 11: about Cincinnati, prove it.
Speaker 2: You know, why should they listen to Nick? Why why
Speaker 2: should they listen to you?
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm absolutely sure they're not listening to me, nor
Speaker 11: will they listen to me, you know, I mean, there's
Speaker 11: no one who can force themselves. Sure they can you know,
Speaker 11: continue to do what they do, and they probably will,
Speaker 11: but it's not right. Don't pretend you care about Cincinnati,
Speaker 11: you know, pretend you care about the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 11: and all those things, when this is how you operate
Speaker 11: a team that means so much to the people of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: No, it's not just the It's not the Bengals. I mean,
Speaker 2: the Reds were suffering.
Speaker 1: Who saw what happened in LA you watch those games
Speaker 1: live nick liche and getting swept.
Speaker 2: But hopefully this year they do better.
Speaker 1: But again, we don't know what the season is gonna
Speaker 1: wind up coming to, for what's going to happen at
Speaker 1: the end of the season. I guess I should say,
Speaker 1: do you see Bearcats aren't very goodavior is getting better,
Speaker 1: but not very good. All our hopes and dreams right
Speaker 1: now are centered on Oxford, to the Miami RedHawks and
Speaker 1: the undefeated team.
Speaker 2: Everyone's going nuts for Oxford.
Speaker 1: The only the only like like feel good moment, and
Speaker 1: FC is going to start at Vander may wind up
Speaker 1: leaving that he may get bought away by bigger teams,
Speaker 1: slawed by bigger fish.
Speaker 2: That's a problem.
Speaker 1: And so I look around and go damn Cincinnati sports
Speaker 1: sucks right now. It's it's tough to be optimistic. Maybe
Speaker 1: save for the Reds, We're always optimistic here. The biggest,
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest sports news was the last go
Speaker 1: week is the fact that our boy John John had
Speaker 1: a half court shot at the Miami game.
Speaker 11: I asked him what what AI for he used to
Speaker 11: pull that one off? And he claimed to me that
Speaker 11: it was it was the actual footage. But hey, let
Speaker 11: me give a quick shout out to my my red Hawks.
Speaker 11: Before the summer of ninety five, this joy ninety degrees
Speaker 11: and start my musical career. But the year before that,
Speaker 11: I was at Miami and I was the athletic trainer
Speaker 11: for men's basketball, and we went to the tournament, won
Speaker 11: the first round games. The great team. Guys who know
Speaker 11: Miami knows like Devin Dave name hate me and Derrek
Speaker 11: Cross and so it's great to see I know everyone
Speaker 11: knows the Wall, the Zerbeakers, but it's great to see
Speaker 11: Miami basketball back.
Speaker 3: On the on the maps.
Speaker 11: The shout to those guys are.
Speaker 1: Killing yeah, yeah, absolutely, And of course the legendary that
Speaker 1: would have been legendary Charlie Coles back.
Speaker 2: And work in the day.
Speaker 11: Well, Look at this, Look at this coaching roster. It's
Speaker 11: Hurtsdick is a huge, Sean Miller assistant, Charlie Coles assistant,
Speaker 11: and then Sad Motto was the restricted coach. Ye at
Speaker 11: one point all four of those guys were D one
Speaker 11: head coaches. Is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And now you got Travis Steele leading them to glory.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with the uh with of course
Speaker 1: the tournament coming up. Uh, he's Nick Lache.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: And again you go to our our social fee, go
Speaker 1: to the seven hundred w W seven hundred WW or
Speaker 1: if you follow Nick on social.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The video and the song are out there, and of
Speaker 1: course uh, I just played a clip of it. Will
Speaker 1: probably play a little bit more when you leave. Nick
Speaker 1: Lache is demanding, he is demanding the Bengals be sold
Speaker 1: or else or else.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear what the or else is.
Speaker 11: I'm encouraged. I'm encouraging. And again, you know, it's a
Speaker 11: it's a tall, tall order. Probably won't happen. But man,
Speaker 11: at some point I think that the fan base, we
Speaker 11: as a fan base, have to we have to demand
Speaker 11: a little more. It's just I mean, it's just abusive
Speaker 11: at this point, and they don't seem to care. So
Speaker 11: maybe maybe this little, this little ditty I.
Speaker 1: Wrote away from you no no more, no more sacrificing
Speaker 1: than Nicholas, our brother. I appreciate you checking in man.
Speaker 3: Thanks, yeah, thanks for having God.
Speaker 2: It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's hard to tell people what to do with their
Speaker 1: own damn money. But if your name has Cincinnati in
Speaker 1: the front or back of the jersey, uh, there's a debt, yo,
Speaker 1: I think to the community, and Nick is pissed off,
Speaker 1: and I love it.
Speaker 2: Sloany seven hundred w all time to.
Speaker 7: Talk about money, how to make it, how they keep it,
Speaker 7: and how to keep others off your stack. This is
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Speaker 1: Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial jumps in to talk
Speaker 1: about the White Death.
Speaker 2: It's good way you can work from home today. Huh yeah.
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, I'm going to be in the office most of
Speaker 12: the day to day. All right, but I don't mind.
Speaker 12: I have a four x four I can get around
Speaker 12: you go, look at you go.
Speaker 1: I took my wife's SUV today and I'm sure if
Speaker 1: you're you know, women listening to this thing. I'd probably go, okay,
Speaker 1: you're not wrong about that. I pulled another parking garage
Speaker 1: this morning, Andy, and I look in. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a couple of erranster are on the way back.
Speaker 1: Does she have where's a snowbrush? Let me get it ready,
Speaker 1: you know? And so I'm looking through I find it.
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. I found an empty shoe box.
Speaker 1: I found one shoe. I found two sandals. I found
Speaker 1: two golf balls. I found a measuring tape. I found
Speaker 1: some sort of looks like something she was going to
Speaker 1: return they received in the bag was dated September. I
Speaker 1: found a scratch off lottery tickets, an empty can of gum,
Speaker 1: three charging cords, a partridge in at paratree.
Speaker 2: Not one damn snowbrush to be found in the whole vehicle.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean I can relate. My wife's car looks
Speaker 12: like a yard sale blew up in there soon. You know,
Speaker 12: that's kind of how it goes.
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know, don't I don't get not
Speaker 2: being prepared.
Speaker 1: But she did have gas in the tank. That's first
Speaker 1: I give her credit. There was almost a full tank
Speaker 1: of gas. So God bless her. Let's get into the
Speaker 1: money stuff this morning, Andy, and the big one. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wonky. I don't know why I'm so
Speaker 1: caught up in this whole Project Vaulting that we're doing.
Speaker 1: And this maybe outside your scope of what you want
Speaker 1: to talk about this morning, but I don't care. I'll
Speaker 1: just throw I'll feel snowballs at you here. It has
Speaker 1: to do with the rare earth minerals, and so Trump
Speaker 1: is launching a twelve billion dollars strategic stockpile of critical
Speaker 1: minerals so we can ease our dependence on Chinese supplies
Speaker 1: and protect our domestic manufacturers and most important, of course,
Speaker 1: our national security, so we don't have to get rare
Speaker 1: earth minerals, which are needed for pretty much everything we
Speaker 1: run these days. That's technologically advanced China, as we know,
Speaker 1: the world's largest producer. They're about seventy percent of do seven,
Speaker 1: about seven percent of the extraction, ninety percent of processing.
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting we are president that's finally
Speaker 1: willing to move forward and do something about this and balance.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's important. What Project vault is a
Speaker 12: public and private partnership. You know that it basically will
Speaker 12: buy and store critical minerals and rare earth minerals. You know,
Speaker 12: gallium and cobalt are a big part of that. They're
Speaker 12: essential for modern technology and defense equipment. And it will
Speaker 12: combine about one point sixty seven billion and private seed
Speaker 12: funding and another ten billion from US government's Export Import Bank.
Speaker 12: And so, you know, I think what's happening here is
Speaker 12: essentially Donald Trump recognizes that we are dependent on a
Speaker 12: lot of rare earth minerals from China and from a
Speaker 12: military perspective that funds a lot of our you know,
Speaker 12: defense contracting and builds a lot of the projects that
Speaker 12: we're working with. We need to be impendent independent. So
Speaker 12: I think this is important, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And that's how we need to file the
Speaker 1: two because all the noise out there with you, whether
Speaker 1: it's ice or now, we want to federalize the elections,
Speaker 1: and I think some of these important things and good
Speaker 1: things get get you know, ground out and overshadowed by
Speaker 1: those those polarizing comments.
Speaker 2: And so you know, stuff is getting done.
Speaker 1: And Greg, granted, we have got another government shutdown on
Speaker 1: which maybe by the time we're talking to this guy
Speaker 1: I don't know right now. They may be opening things
Speaker 1: back up, who the hell knows. But this is the
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, This is important stuff that we really
Speaker 1: need to pay attention to, and that's going to sound
Speaker 1: so good for the economy. Yeah, and you already have.
Speaker 12: A dozen companies that have kind of already joined the initiative.
Speaker 12: You have General Motors, Boeing, Corning, ge Google, So there's
Speaker 12: a lot of global commodities trading firms that are also
Speaker 12: on board with it, that are going to be handling
Speaker 12: it like Heart Treat Partners, Tracks these North America and others.
Speaker 12: And so everybody's taking this seriously. So I don't really
Speaker 12: see a whole lot of pushback on this because I
Speaker 12: think it's very clear why this is important.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pivot here to the big story on Wall
Speaker 2: Street today.
Speaker 1: President Trump, of course nominating the next FED chair, and
Speaker 1: he was talking about getting rid of the guy now,
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, let's just wait, because you're
Speaker 1: gonna not need to guy's coming in any way. And
Speaker 1: the reason the president's a clear he wants the FED
Speaker 1: to have policy support economic growth is because of things
Speaker 1: like price stability, and you know whether or not we
Speaker 1: balance that with the labor market expansion and.
Speaker 2: The like, and then his nominee is not that guy.
Speaker 2: Can you explain what's going on?
Speaker 12: Yeah, Kevin Worsh. He was a former banker and Federal
Speaker 12: Reserve governor. He previously served as an economic advisor to
Speaker 12: both President George W. Bush and President Trump. And it's
Speaker 12: interesting because you saw gold and silver and precious metals collapse,
Speaker 12: and a lot of that had to do with investors
Speaker 12: believing that Kevin Worsh is actually more of a hawk
Speaker 12: And what that means is is somebody on the Fed
Speaker 12: Board of Governors that believes in low inflation as opposed
Speaker 12: to job growth and the health of the labor market
Speaker 12: in general. They're more focused on getting inflation under control.
Speaker 12: And so originally what we thought was that Trump was
Speaker 12: going to nominate somebody like Kevin Hassett for the job
Speaker 12: who would be widely looked at as somebody that would
Speaker 12: be a pawn of Donald Trump's and continue to cut
Speaker 12: rates and do what Donald Trump wanted. And so when
Speaker 12: Kevin Worsh was announced, I think the markets were in
Speaker 12: a little bit of a shock because his history is
Speaker 12: more of a hawkish tone and keeping on inflation under control,
Speaker 12: and what that means for the gold market is is
Speaker 12: gold and silver and precious metals typically are investments where
Speaker 12: investors flee to as a hedge against inflation. So when
Speaker 12: he was nominated and it looks like he's going to
Speaker 12: attack inflation and that's going to be kind of his
Speaker 12: main focus, obviously, it triggered a sell off in gold
Speaker 12: and precious metals. And once that occurred, then the snowball
Speaker 12: effect came. You know, you have futures contracts that are
Speaker 12: starting to need to be covered, you have margin calls
Speaker 12: that are starting going on the price decline. As far
Speaker 12: as gold and precious metals are concerned, ets, everybody starts
Speaker 12: to sell. And that's why you saw the deep decline
Speaker 12: and precious metals over the last couple of weeks is
Speaker 12: largely you had to begin with the fact that Kevin
Speaker 12: Worrish was nominated. Now, I do think this is a
Speaker 12: good nominee because investors believe that he will remain independent
Speaker 12: of the pressures of Washington, d C. And so from
Speaker 12: a big picture point of view, I think this was
Speaker 12: a good call.
Speaker 1: Okay, And we saw the you know, we saw the
Speaker 1: market bounce back because of that day yesterday, Yeah.
Speaker 12: And it was great, you know, and a lot of
Speaker 12: that had to do with the fact that, you know,
Speaker 12: when we see everybody flee to precious metals gold, silver
Speaker 12: and whatnot, a lot of it has to do with uncertainty.
Speaker 12: And it looks to it appears that we have a
Speaker 12: trade gear deal in place with India, and that was
Speaker 12: some of other big news. We've been working with them
Speaker 12: for months to try to come up with something and
Speaker 12: essentially we had twenty five percent tariffs on their goods
Speaker 12: and another twenty five percent tariff on you know, their energy,
Speaker 12: and largely what we wanted them to do is stop
Speaker 12: selling oil to Russia and fueling you know, the war
Speaker 12: in Ukraine. And so when Modi decided to make a
Speaker 12: deal there, we were able to reduce tariffs back to
Speaker 12: eighteen percent, so that went from essentially fifty percent to
Speaker 12: eighteen percent, and they agreed to stop selling.
Speaker 2: Oil to Russia.
Speaker 12: And so anytime that we get, you know, some news
Speaker 12: that removes the uncertainty, not only from a tariff point
Speaker 12: of view, but from a geopolitical point of view, the
Speaker 12: market's generally like that. We have a more clear picture
Speaker 12: now the economy is in fairly good health and so
Speaker 12: naturally the market is going to respond favorably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and every day it is something new, and I
Speaker 1: think for most people, and we keep track of this stuff,
Speaker 1: it's kind of our jobs, Dandy Schaeffer. Most people don't
Speaker 1: have time for that. And you know, the noise and
Speaker 1: all the attention and you know, jumping up and down
Speaker 1: screaming tends to overshadow these big things. But it's a
Speaker 1: rare earth mental thing or what we're talking about here.
Speaker 1: The world's not ending. Yeah, well, that's part of the
Speaker 1: job that I really love.
Speaker 12: You know, My job is to reduce the stress of
Speaker 12: my clients, letting them know that we have a close
Speaker 12: eye on not only this type of news, but how
Speaker 12: it affects the markets and how it affects the economy
Speaker 12: so they can go about living their lives and enjoy
Speaker 12: retirement and gallivan all over the world. And you know,
Speaker 12: I enjoyed this type of uh, this type of work.
Speaker 12: I love having a focus on, you know, what the
Speaker 12: economy is doing and how these decisions are affecting the
Speaker 12: markets and and our livelihood in general. And so I
Speaker 12: try to make you know, try to sift through a
Speaker 12: lot of the minution and provide some clarity. And you know,
Speaker 12: that's that's that's part of what makes me proud to
Speaker 12: do my job.
Speaker 2: So what you're saying is capitalism isn't dead, is what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: I read a story today a guy said we're actually
Speaker 1: capitalist and died, we haven't noticed yet. And now we're
Speaker 1: in like a tech oligarchy where the big tech companies
Speaker 1: will control everything, elections, parties, all that stuff, and we
Speaker 1: will be holding the money's all in the cloud.
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, you know, worsh even mentioned that he
Speaker 12: saw productivity gains, particularly in AI. Keeping inflation contained is
Speaker 12: you know, part of his goal obviously, but he will
Speaker 12: allow the father lower rates without sacrificing you know, the
Speaker 12: credibility of interest rates. And so the markets really kind
Speaker 12: of look at it and say, okay, well, we'ren't unmoved
Speaker 12: by all of this. You know, the pricing future cuts
Speaker 12: didn't really budge, and so you know, we're still looking
Speaker 12: at potentially one or two cuts this year. And I think,
Speaker 12: you know, that's been on track with what we've been
Speaker 12: looking at, you know, going back the last six months
Speaker 12: or so. One I think I think the probably the
Speaker 12: next one we're looking at is probably in June.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, when is that peaceful transfer of
Speaker 1: power from Jerome Powell to warsh Well, he's.
Speaker 12: You know, he's schedule to take over on May fifteen,
Speaker 12: but you know there's some political pressure there. You know,
Speaker 12: you have a center named Tom Tillis. He's a member
Speaker 12: of the Senate Banking Committee, and he made a statement
Speaker 12: suggesting he would kind of support Walsh, but reiterated that
Speaker 12: you know, he's not doesn't want to advance any FED
Speaker 12: nominations until the DOJ's investigation Engage investigation involving Chair pal
Speaker 12: and the remodeling of the whole Federal Reserve building thing
Speaker 12: is resolved. So you know, there still needs to be
Speaker 12: some approval process there. But I think this one will
Speaker 12: go pretty smoothly because I think both sides of the aisle,
Speaker 12: you know, have a lot of confidence in Kevin.
Speaker 1: Worsh Okay, So we'll wait till May fifteenth to see
Speaker 1: that transfer. And meanwhile, the head of the FED is
Speaker 1: just holding steady.
Speaker 12: Yeah, holding steady. The target range for the FED funds
Speaker 12: rate remained at three and a half to three zero
Speaker 12: point seventy five percent. Two members did prefer an additional cut.
Speaker 12: Governor Christopher Waller and Stephan Miron dissented in favor of
Speaker 12: a quarter percent cut, and so there is some descent
Speaker 12: within the Fed. But you know, it looks like, you know,
Speaker 12: the FED is comfortable right now understanding that the labor
Speaker 12: market is still in decent shape and inflation is trying
Speaker 12: in the right direction. So they don't see, you know,
Speaker 12: they don't seem to be in any hurry to upset
Speaker 12: the apple card at this point. And you know, if
Speaker 12: if inflation continues to trend downward, I think you're the
Speaker 12: next cause likely this.
Speaker 1: Summer, Okay, And I know because of this, I don't know,
Speaker 1: this blip that's a temporary government shut down or partial
Speaker 1: whatever the hell they're kind of on, it's over by now.
Speaker 1: Does anyone paying attention to markets don't care anymore what
Speaker 1: the hell they're doing, whether that work or don't work.
Speaker 1: But we were also not getting some more numbers out
Speaker 1: because of this, right well, And.
Speaker 12: That's the problem for me is that you know, you know,
Speaker 12: a lot of the numbers now are going to be
Speaker 12: stalled with you know, with the types of stuff that
Speaker 12: I'm looking for. You know, when you look at the
Speaker 12: economic calendar. You know, we're going to get job we
Speaker 12: expected to get job openings, you know, and the Joltry report,
Speaker 12: and those are going to be delayed. You know, a
Speaker 12: lot of the US unemployment rate on Friday, the hourly wages,
Speaker 12: a lot of those things are going to get delayed.
Speaker 12: And you know, from a personal standpoint, I have a
Speaker 12: lot of clients that work in the government sector. I
Speaker 12: have a I have a cousin that works in the
Speaker 12: government sector. And you know, when when the government is
Speaker 12: shut down for forty five days, you know, most people
Speaker 12: do live paycheck to paycheck, and if you're not getting
Speaker 12: that income coming in, it can be very stressful, particularly
Speaker 12: when you don't know when the end is in sight.
Speaker 12: Now this particular time, it seems like cooler heads are
Speaker 12: going to prevail. I think that we're going to come
Speaker 12: to a resolution here in the next few days, but
Speaker 12: that remains to be seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, as I said last time, the
Speaker 1: government shut down, and this is ending like last time,
Speaker 1: because it was what forty five days, like you said,
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, two three weeks ore theater at
Speaker 1: that point, and after thirty days, then it starts to
Speaker 1: get real and then by forty five days people start
Speaker 1: to feel the pain. So largely most of these things
Speaker 1: go away because it is just that it is theater
Speaker 1: and somebody will blinker, they'll they'll capitulate and come and well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing this because we kick the can
Speaker 1: down the road. Last time, we shut the government down.
Speaker 1: So these guys can't agree on anything. That is also
Speaker 1: part of the problem with the markets. As you said,
Speaker 1: don't seem to care at all about this. The labor
Speaker 1: market right now, it's starting to cool, you know, it's
Speaker 1: been cooling for a while, and these'll delay and the
Speaker 1: numbers are going to you know, not provide a clear
Speaker 1: picture there. But how far before we hit bottom on
Speaker 1: this do you think? Well, I don't think we're near
Speaker 1: the bottom.
Speaker 12: You know, we're still expecting about sixty five thousand jobs
Speaker 12: and the unemployment rate to remain at four point four percent.
Speaker 12: You know, obviously that's higher than it has been over
Speaker 12: the past years, so but historically that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 12: So, you know, and I think the FED field is
Speaker 12: that way too. If the FED thought that the labor
Speaker 12: market was starting to waiver significantly, where it's becoming a
Speaker 12: problem they would certainly pivot and start to cut rates,
Speaker 12: but they don't. And so I think you have to
Speaker 12: listen to what they have to say, you know, because
Speaker 12: they have all the data, the data in front of them.
Speaker 12: And if the Fed's not worried about the labor market,
Speaker 12: I'm not going to be worried about the labor market either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking labor, and labor's local. Obviously, this issue with
Speaker 1: Ice and Springfield, and it hasn't happened yet, but they're
Speaker 1: preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm doing a deep dive on this, and if you
Speaker 1: missed it on the show this morning at ten thirty five,
Speaker 1: maybe give that a listen to. And that is that
Speaker 1: there's like ten to fifteen thousand in the Springfield or
Speaker 1: came there because of temporary protected status. They want them
Speaker 1: to come and take jobs immediately following COVID, but then learn.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, Springfield's pretty good.
Speaker 1: The cost of housing and living is pretty cheap, the
Speaker 1: money and the jobs are pretty good. It's a nice
Speaker 1: place to, you know, to put your head. People came
Speaker 1: from all of the country already here, like place like
Speaker 1: Miami where was too expensive to live their lives. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people moved here and open businesses up.
Speaker 1: The rate of employment I think in in that area
Speaker 1: is something like over ninety five percent, which is incredible.
Speaker 1: If they come in and you know, these people are escorted,
Speaker 1: shown to the door because their TPS is expiring. What
Speaker 1: happens to the economy in Springfield? I was hypothesizing about that.
Speaker 1: You know, we had a tremendous collapse there. It's a
Speaker 1: small town that was dying and decaying. Immigrants came at
Speaker 1: the behast of the US government. They created jobs, were created,
Speaker 1: manufacturing located there because of the stable job. They hardworking,
Speaker 1: good people, and now that's going to go away. What
Speaker 1: happens to the economy in Ohio, let alone Springfield, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it could take a hit.
Speaker 12: You know, the dichonomy of the White House right now is,
Speaker 12: you know, they have a they have a challenge of
Speaker 12: following the law versus economic development, right, and so a
Speaker 12: lot of what they are trying to do is posture
Speaker 12: and pander to their base to be to make sure
Speaker 12: that they're saying, hey, we said we were going to
Speaker 12: do these types of things, and we're going to do
Speaker 12: them now. Most immigrants I believe are here with good intentions.
Speaker 12: They want to work hard, they want to produce their take.
Speaker 12: They take jobs that a lot of citizens of the
Speaker 12: United States don't want, and so they pre they provide value.
Speaker 12: And so you know when you go in and you
Speaker 12: and you wholesale and and and pick everybody out and
Speaker 12: send them back, Yeah, you're probably following the law, but
Speaker 12: you're also going to have to deal with the impact
Speaker 12: of the potential uh decline from an economic standpoint, because
Speaker 12: those jobs do need to get need to get filled.
Speaker 12: So it's a delicate dance and there's not a lot
Speaker 12: of you know, right answers here. I think there's a
Speaker 12: lot of gray area and how this should be approached,
Speaker 12: But from an economic standpoint, it will certainly have an impact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like you're you know, you're playing with
Speaker 1: fire in a sense. You know, the agenda was, Hey,
Speaker 1: get the people who are causing problems, the criminals out
Speaker 1: of here, gangs. It's okay, good, But this is like
Speaker 1: they've already tps. It's not like the situation that Hey's improving.
Speaker 1: Some say it's actually getting worse, with gangs running like
Speaker 1: eighty percent of Porter prints the prime city. There and
Speaker 1: so you hear this and go, well, why why won't
Speaker 1: you just let leave the status alone. It's like you're
Speaker 1: looking for trouble now when you don't need it. Why
Speaker 1: why if you just let things stay the way they are,
Speaker 1: it seems to be fine. No one's needing cats and dogs.
Speaker 1: And to your point, the people that want them out
Speaker 1: of there because because jobs aren't going to take the
Speaker 1: jobs anyway, because it's it's hard work. It's manufacturing, it's agriculture,
Speaker 1: it's construction, all those things.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and you know, that's kind of a moral dilemma there,
Speaker 12: and it was a huge moral and from you know,
Speaker 12: from a political standpoint, you know, I don't really you know,
Speaker 12: care what the politicians say. You know, I have to
Speaker 12: focus on within my job how it impacts the economy
Speaker 12: and be able to pivot. And it makes it harder
Speaker 12: for you know, business owners and you know also talents
Speaker 12: that really throw on the economy and utilize the immigrants
Speaker 12: that are there to produce. So, I mean, it's a
Speaker 12: it's a challenging situation. Again, I don't think there's any
Speaker 12: right right answers there, But you know, that's not the
Speaker 12: line of business that I'm in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get it, but you know it's not
Speaker 1: good for the I don't think it's good for the
Speaker 1: economy of Springfield, Ohio.
Speaker 2: For that you're throwing people out who are there to
Speaker 2: work anyway.
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