WEBVTT - 11-10-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:01.840 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:04.800 I do not remember the last time we had significant 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.399 snowfall this early in November, but we're dealing with that. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.720 We are here, Chuck Ingram is here. He's on his 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.280 eighty fifth cup of coffee. And it's pretty to look 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.880 at out the window, but not so much when you're 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:18.680 sitting in traffic with a lot of people are this morning. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:22.320 Keep you updated The progress here is the storm should 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.319 be done like around noon or so. We'll see in 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.920 the meantime. I hope to keep you informed, entertained, and 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:31.080 I don't know, thought drunk, as the case may be. 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.199 This is interesting to start the day to day while 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.599 the government shutdown looks to be winding down. We'll get 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.199 to that a little bit later on, of course, we'll see. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.239 I'll believe it when I see it, Like you this 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.279 locally though, this is a case and the potential are 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.560 to destroy development downtown and undue investment in a couple 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.479 areas of downtown related to crime. Not to rehash that, 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:52.720 but it ties again. There's a lawsuit that's going on 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.640 right now in Cincinnati. Common inquired a great job laying 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.320 this thing out yesterday. Jeff Ruby, caller entertainment. As you know, 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.280 their original location the old Art Deco place on seven 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.360 hundred Wallna Street. When they moved to the new digs 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.200 across from Fountain Square, they turned that into the Lampeka 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.760 Event Center and they're also their corporate headquarters. And I 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.119 had an event there, a wedding not too long ago. 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:15.960 It was absolutely stunning. That's why I was shocked to 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:19.000 learn they're pulling out. So Ruby vacated the corporate offices 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.720 and that space just a few weeks ago, and the 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:25.119 original leases were set to expire in twenty twenty eight 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.319 and twenty thirty for the offices and restaurants respectively. And 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:33.240 the concern was over a safety downtown safety and basic 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.520 security measures were not being fulfilled allegedly by town properties, 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.600 including the security of entrances and visitor check ins and 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.720 on site security and building safety protocols. And there were 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.960 bullets and windows and unarmed robbery across the street and 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.520 all this noise. And they said, okay, we're out because 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.760 of the crime. And if you think about it, if 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.320 the court sides with the Rubia on this one, this 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.200 is really going to overturn. The apple Cart joined the 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.600 show this morning. Is longtime attorney and student. All this 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.160 stuff is. Steve Gooden joined the show this morning on 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.040 seven hundred wlw are you, Steve? 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.040 I'm snowed in absolutely shot. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.440 How are you well that whole that whole inch of 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.640 snow has got you got your sheltered in place? 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.480 Huh? I'm overreacting purposefully to this today. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:21.000 Yes, sheltered place orders for the inch of snow. Yeah, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:22.960 but you know it's pretty now unless you're not sitting 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:24.760 in it, I suppose in traffic right now than your 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:25.799 anger as hell, I get it. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:26.440 Uh. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.600 Before we get to this though, you lost your attempt 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.640 to win that council seat and voters choosing to keep 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.400 leadership all democratic in the city. Is it over for 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:34.880 balanced government? Do you think? 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:36.680 You know? 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.760 I think it is for the time being, Scott, I mean, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.440 you know, I mean, look, we we we had a 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.480 bizarre scenario in this you know, where we had some 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.239 polling data that showed, you know, a lot of the 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.320 challenges myself included, had better name i'd than the folks 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.919 who ended up winning, which is a weird circumstance. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.400 We knew on the issues, you. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.640 Know, we were right there, but at the end of 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.720 the day, it's slate voting. You have low turnout and 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.560 people who are voting one hundred percent Democrat one hundred 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:05.440 percent Republican. 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.079 And and that's just kind of how it is. 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:13.840 At the moment. Everything is about national politics. Local issues 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.440 don't really seem to be breaking through. All of the 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:21.480 messaging that we saw from the Democratic Council members and 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.280 the mayor was all about Donald Trump and MAGA and 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.240 so forth. And basically the message was if you don't 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.760 return a one hundred percent Democratic council, you know, Donald 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.720 Trump will win in Cincinnati, which is of course, you. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:35.280 Know, absurd. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:38.640 You know, they ran on things like snap benefits and 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.520 things that were national issues over which city hall had 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.440 no control. It's kind of like what happened in New 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:45.400 York with Mondami. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:46.520 I mean, you know a lot of. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.600 What he you know, he pushed or things that are 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.280 you know, whether you agree or disagree with the policies 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.680 he's presenting, they're things that are well outside his control 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.480 jurisdictionally and legally as a as a mayor. I mean, 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.920 you know, he's promising things that only the federal and 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.280 state government can deliver by law. So you know it, look, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:07.120 it's it's predictable. You know, we kind of saw what 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.840 was happening a few days out. You know, it's a 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:12.840 it's a little bit of a better pill. Frankly, when 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.080 you know that on the issues and in terms of 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.440 who you are, you know, you know it's the right 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.200 We did the right thing and we think by raising 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.280 those issues, we absolutely did the right thing and we 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.560 certainly moved some things in terms of the issues along, 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:28.560 I think at city Hall. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.400 So no regrets. But uh boy, the snow is pretty 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:32.839 does Scott. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.440 That's the snow got to marsin that election day. We 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.480 probably have real problems the after effect. Even the snow melts, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.000 it still scares people. Yeah, I I you know, we 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.920 I prefer a divided government. I preferred divide of government 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.520 Columbus to be quite honestly, it's not about the GOP 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.039 winning everything. It's about restoring some sanity in our government. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.080 So hopefully better days are ahead. It doesn't look like 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:55.600 it right now. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:55.919 Though. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.600 Let's segue to the case at hand. If the court 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.440 sides with the Ruby in this town, pretty thing. Could 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.599 that establish a precedent for commercial real estate like especially 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.640 in urban areas? And then it becomes hey, Listen, crime's 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.800 killing me right now. I'm seeing a reduction in business, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.680 or I feel threatened, or maybe I just want to 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.919 get out of the lease. I can claim in adequate 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.440 security and get out of this thing. That that would 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.719 be devastating for development, wasn't it? 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:20.440 It sure would? 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.880 And frankly, I don't know what a court's going to 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.560 make of what the Ruby group is claiming here. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:27.680 I mean, they really. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.680 And I have attacked Town Properties in their lawsuits saying, look, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.840 we told you we were having issues here. We had 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.799 an employee who got robbed. We had a bullet, you know, fired, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.760 you know, a stray bullet apparently, but still the idea 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.280 that there are straight bullets in the heart of downtown 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.080 business district is a horrifying thing. 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.880 But one of our windows got hit. We kept digging. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.200 We've had car break ins and the lot next door 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.680 with our employees, and we've asked for beefed up security measures. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.600 You didn't provide them, so therefore we should get out 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.800 of the last four to five years of our lease. 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:06.279 Town Properties actually has filed a countersuit, including a claim 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.040 for defamation, based upon some of the statements. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.599 Jeff Ruby's daughter Britney Ruby Miller made in. 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.560 A press release or a press conference about the whole 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.480 situation in which they basically said, look, you're you know 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.440 you're impugning us falsely, and you know you're saying things 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.279 about our security and about our building that just aren't true. 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:29.159 There's lawsuits going both ways right now. It's kind of 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.120 hard to tell from what we know so far, you 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.080 know who is right or who is wrong, or whether 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.600 it's some mixture. Also, what Town Property says, which is 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.240 very interesting, is they're basically saying, look, you your events 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:41.800 base just wasn't doing well. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.440 The business model. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.640 Isn't good, and they've all but accused the Ruby group 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.320 of using the safety concerns to get out of their 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:53.039 lease early. So this one's really ugly. But you're right 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.920 if indeed a court rules with the Ruby Group and 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.920 you can start using and business owners can start using 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.840 safety protocols as a means to breach a lease prematurely, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.080 you know that that is going to be open season 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.000 downtown for people who are whose businesses are not doing 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.600 well in part because of the crime. And I will 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.560 say this, I've heard from some of my friends who 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:19.680 are who own smaller restaurants and barbershops and a hair salon. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.840 Some of them are down thirty to forty percent since 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.000 this look rash of shooting, yeah, happened, particularly the group 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.960 on the grouping of shootings there about three weeks ago 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.080 on Fountain Square. So it is a very tough time. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.680 It's not only is it not safe at certain times, 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:40.160 it's it's it's the perception is even worse. So yeah, 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.640 but no, you're absolutely right. If the Common Police Court 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:44.280 does side with Ruby, this is going to be a 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.440 could lead to an exodus of people downtown. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.480 Yeah, And you know, it's not to say, I know 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.960 some people believe that, you know, Mexico starts south of 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.720 Red Bank Road. It's not true at all. Are plenty 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.760 of areas, sinc An editor, that are safe if it's 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.160 just a couple of neighborhoods in particular or in certain 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.480 times a day or not, and then those are exacerbated. 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.040 We talk about it, people start to fear it and 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.760 it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is unfortunate. But you know, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.360 the way this whole thing has been handled, which is 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.240 why you ran and many others ran too, is to 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.040 reform how crime is handled in the City of Cincinnati. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:18.240 And yeah, I kind of get what Ruby's doing here. 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.160 Maybe the model wasn't working because of that though, right, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.520 because people aren't coming downtown because of what we're talking about, 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.960 so indirectly it's crime. I wonder though, too, if this 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.240 were successful, would that could this spill over to the 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.160 residential lease game as well, and people are afraid of 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.800 I don't know, I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna break my 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.920 lease with my apartment and my condo because I don't 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.440 feel safe anymore. I would see that as an extension 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.160 here too, and then the wheels really fall off. But 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.160 in reality, Ruby says they made repeated police or security measures. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.200 What I guess what evans would they need to prove 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.920 the town is negligent there? And outside of town's control, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.959 they don't run, you know, the police department of the 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.800 City of Cincinnati. So what control really does a landlord have? 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:01.480 Well, and that's and I think that's part of their 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.320 legal problem, you know, factually speaking, you know, if if 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:10.400 the security measures aren't built explicitly into the lease, that's 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.880 you know, town property will have a pretty good defense there. 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.120 And again we haven't seen the lease, the lease these 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.760 commercial leases tend to be you know, very very detailed, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.880 you know, one hundred pages long and so forth. So 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.400 I would be a little bit surprised if, you know, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.480 if there's something in the lease that would really give 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:33.520 them these the ability to demand these security protocols. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.040 That go above and beyond. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.960 And again, you know, the Ruby folks have had their 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.240 headquarters there and have been in that building for decades 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.360 so and things have really, you know, really changed there 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.360 over the years. I mean, you beck in the early 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.200 two thousands and we had an uptake in violence like 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.959 this before you know, they were able to weather that 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.320 and that was the Town Properties building then. So I 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.400 think that will come very much into play. How the 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.520 last time we had an issue like this, but also 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.000 what's really happening now is unprecedented. You know, the city 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.680 officials still want to argue about the numbers, whether the 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.840 crime is up or down overall, but we know in 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.960 the city but we know it's up. It is up, 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.240 particularly in the downtown business area district. It is up 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.040 in over the Rhine, is particularly up in northern over 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.000 the Rhine. And we also know the quality, not just 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.240 the quality, but the quality of the incidents that have 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.640 been occurring, had been horrified, and we've had shootings during 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.920 business hours, you know, including the one on White in 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.400 front of the Ruby restaurant at the Foundry was at 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.160 you know some you know, one was at seven pm, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.520 one was at five to eighteen pm in front of 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:39.520 the Federal courthouse. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.199 So you know, it's not like you. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:44.080 Know, when I was a prosecutor twenty years ago there 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.400 were horrible shootings downtown with they tended to happen at 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.960 two three in the morning. We're talking to people leaving 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:53.880 their offices and hearing gunfire. So it's a it's qualitatively different, 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:55.800 and I think that's something at court we'll have to 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.920 kind of grapple with somehow. No question from the record 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.240 they submitted that with the lawsuit that the Ruby folks 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.880 were asking for additional security. No question that they had 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.240 employees who were passled, robbed and just generally had the 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.920 cars broken into and so forth. But you know, I 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.520 could also see a court very much saying, hey, it's 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.080 not explicitly built into the least that you get this 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.199 additional security, and I'm sorry, you're on your own and 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.400 the town properties folks just have no real control over 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:29.480 the crime. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.880 Steve Goodin and the filing Ruby v. Tom Properties. Ruby 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.720 said they spent two hundred thousand dollars annually on private security. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:36.880 Is that to help hurt that case? 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.760 It's sort of it cuts both ways. I mean it 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.400 also you know, it shows that they were at number one. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.680 I mean, it shows actually that that they were doing that, 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:49.480 and I have no doubt. I mean I was just 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.600 not long ago at the downtown Ruby's restaurant, the main one, 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.520 and you know they had armed security out front, you know, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.199 because you know, they've apparently had some issues also at 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.640 their flagship struct in terms of violence and muggings and 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.120 employees being handled. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:04.439 And so forth. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.080 But the flip side would be, like, you know, I 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.000 could see count Properties turning that around very quickly and saying, well, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:12.080 you've known about. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.440 These security issues for a while. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.520 You've been providing security outside the lease on all your properties, 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.120 and and frankly, based upon what Jeff Ruby, Jeff Ruby 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.600 churches for a stake, apparently they're still turning the profit. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.920 So you know, last if I was down there, it 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:29.080 was not a slow bill. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.960 So you know, I'm gonna have the I'm gonna have 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:38.800 the Chris collins Worth top with litigation. Thank you new Bok. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:43.560 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The two hundred thousand 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.120 security investment, it suggests that Ruby's had responsibility in this 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.520 to some degree too as well. And also from what 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:53.000 I read, was there an evidence was there any evidence 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.240 that they presented any request to uh notice a default 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.400 or before they left the premises, attempt to cure I 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.280 think is the term, in order to make sure that 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.760 they asked and said, hey, look, can you take care 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.280 of the stuff, and they weren't responded to. But I 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.640 didn't see any of that in here, did you. 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:09.679 I did not. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.120 And look, it's not unusual in a lawsuit like this, 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.240 you know for those kinds of things to be provided 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.480 in discovery if the case goes along, but. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:18.280 You know, it doesn't. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.880 It looks like this all came together relatively quickly, you know, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.880 over the course of just a few weeks. Really, if 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.960 I'm if I'm reading it correctly, it sounds like the 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.000 security concerns have been around for well over a year, 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.280 but the negotiations in the back and forth did seem 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.520 to be in a pretty tight timeframe. So no, I 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.040 did not see that, and I think those are all issues. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.199 If that did not occur. Those are things that we'll 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.320 go into Town Properties favor from a legal standpoint, so 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.360 you know, we'll have to wait and see on that. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.960 But no, there really isn't much of a showing that 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.320 they had a significant negotiation here over that, which is 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.880 and it's it's very typical in these large commercial leases 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.199 that you don't just you're not able just to pull out. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.680 You know, you have to try to. You know, you 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:01.959 have to at least give. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.040 The landlord a chance to fix things, which is the 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.000 old you know, cure provisions as they call it. So 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.240 you know, well we'll see what's there. But yeah, this 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.760 is the lawsuit is pretty thin on that in that department. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.280 And not only that too, this has also reflected the 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.960 broader issues downtown is homelessness and street crime and the 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.240 changing nature of downtown alike as well, outside of the 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.240 scope of anyone except for government. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.040 Well, that's and that's right. I think you're going to 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.160 hear a lot from town Properties on that on that 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.760 specific point. I mean, I mean, we know that downtown. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.960 I mean, look, this is something not to shift back 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:39.520 into campaign mode, I'm saying. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.440 To act like that never happened, but we're gonna. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.280 Act like, uh, but the I mean, we know the 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.400 police the saythek Police Department is understaffed. We know the 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.600 understaffing is particularly fell downtown. 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.360 It's it's it's you know, it's it's. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.320 Very, very difficult to have true beat policing with the 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.480 staffing levels the police department has. 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:00.880 At the moment. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.320 I mean, I mean we know that, you know, they 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.520 have a compliment that was set in two thousand and five, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.280 which was a radically different city at that point in 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.600 time in terms of attractions, and I mean there was 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.640 no developed over the Rhine, then there was no TQL Stadium, 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:18.200 then no Brady Center, then fifteen thousand, by any estimate, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.520 fewer residents than So the idea that we're going to 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.680 take a compliment set from that time frame in terms 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.680 of the police department, and it's two hundred short from 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.800 that number and actually expect to have beat policing downtown, 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:36.560 the officers out of their cars walking, you know, it's 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.320 just not mathematically possible. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:39.160 The officers we have. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:43.440 Now are by and large, you know, dedicated to responding 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:44.520 to emergency calls. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:45.160 That's all we have. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.040 And if you see an officer out on the street 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:49.640 on Government Square, Fountain Square. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:50.760 Chances are they're being. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.680 Paid overtime or it's a private detail for a restaurant 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.160 like we just and it's really not a good way 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:56.840 to do business. 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:57.680 And that's where we. 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.640 Slip into what I call this kind of third world vibe, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.440 where it's like, if you're a business that can afford 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.720 to hire an off duty police officer, you're in great shape. 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.280 If you're a small business that doesn't have that kind 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.600 of Jeff Ruby budget, then you're in a bad spot. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.360 And that is that is not the way we are 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.160 supposed to do things, and that's not a sign of 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:17.840 a healthy city. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.960 No, no, only that, I mean if landlords become liable 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:21.960 for crime in and around the building in the city, 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.560 imagine what insurance rates would do, and there'd be properties 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:29.000 that are uninsurable and then the landlord has to hire security. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.920 I'd be a good lord. The rent down town would 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.600 be absolutely ridiculous. So I kind of see which way 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.280 the court's going to lean here, But you never know 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.360 he is Steve good an attorney at law, break and 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.080 hold this whole thing down. When the quite honestly, development 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.720 and the progress Cincinnati's made in the last twenty plus 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.400 years is in jeopardy with the decision in this case 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.440 and whenever that comes on, but they'll probably settle as 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.800 they often do, and life will go on. He is 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.840 Steve Good and thanks again to joining Budy. Appreciate it. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.200 Have a great one anytime, Scott. Take care, Take care. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.320 I've got to get to a news update here in 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.600 the very latest on the roadways and can you imagine 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:00.960 this kind of me see out there, chuckle, have that 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:02.720 for the forecast when the snow ends and more to 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:08.879 follow slowly seven hundred WLW Here we go, slowly on 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.080 the big one, seven hundred WLW. A bit of a 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.040 mess out there today, as you heard from Chuck, and 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.400 looks like it's continue through lunchtime hour and then maybe tapering, 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.320 tapering by like five o'clock. So yeah, it's gonna hang 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.680 around a minute and big day of Our producers drove 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.800 down from the Dayton area and they said's a lot 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.399 worse up there. So but I know we've got a 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.359 few couple more hours of snow left here in Cincinnati 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.720 pretty early for us on this tenth day of November. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:38.480 For sure, unexpected, well mean unusual, let's put it that way. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.720 It was amazing, is me. We talk about this every year, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.440 and folks just simply lose their mind when there's snow. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.720 I could if you're new to the area or even 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.760 lived here for a long time. It's the damnedest thing. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.840 I don't know why we freak out and can't drive 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:53.800 so well when we have a little bit of snow. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.160 I could see if you live in Dallas or Atlanta 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.479 where it's pretty rare. Sure there you gonna freak out 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.800 there you to it. Oh, here we get significant I'm 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.360 not significant, but a decent amount of snowfall every year. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.159 And just unless we just forget that, you know, the 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.480 overpasses our slippery. I don't know, I don't know. It's 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.399 just one of those things that make it. Ah, I'm 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.159 about living in Cincinnati, but hey, that's you know what, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.480 of all the things in my head, they're like, Okay, 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:22.120 that's a negative. That might be close close to the 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.360 top of the list, but that you know, and if 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.120 that's like near the top of the list, it ain't 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:28.960 all that bad, you know what I'm saying. You know 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:30.640 what I'm saying. All right, we had. 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:32.439 Oh. 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.119 Also, the other thing I want to point out is 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.360 the new trend with the climate terrorists and not really 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:37.520 knew it's been a couple of years. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:38.360 My laugh. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.439 Every time I see it, it's like this morning we 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:42.720 have in the newsroom, or generally sit and have my 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.520 coffee chat with the boys and the girls. They have 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.360 the local news on see what's going on. Of course 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.960 they have now the ability because of technology, to have 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.199 cameras and cars at all times, you know, so they 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.159 live stream the drive around. So the drummer in the 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.359 city showing what the roads look like in real time. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.160 And yeah, it's one thing if you were heavy rain, 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.679 where there's flooding or there's a lot of snow and 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.560 you look at it, go okay, it's a different perspective 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:07.480 rather than standing on the side of the highway next 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.240 to the salt Dome on seventy five, which we're due for. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.080 I don't know, maybe somebody did that. Today we may 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.880 have our first what we would call the assault Domes 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.520 stand up of the year for TV station. Now they 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.840 drive around to scare the helly I walked to like, okay, 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.159 here's what the roads look like. Yeah, it just started snowing. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.840 There's nothing, the roads are dry, there's nothing to see, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.400 but that's part of it. Got to get you worked 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.919 up in little Ladder. It's good for Kroger. Kroger needs 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.399 the business. Go get your batteries, milk and bread before 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:36.720 I run out with the inch of snow. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:37.200 We're kidding. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.240 Also, I just had Steve Goodnan not talking about the 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.639 election necessarily because that's old news, but rather than the 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.160 effect of crime downtown that you lawsuit with Jeff Jeff 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.160 Ruby against town property. I think it's to be really interesting. Now, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.680 typically these things get settled anyway, but now do you 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:59.120 imagine what would happen if Ruby's group won that, Because 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.000 if you're a landlord down town, how hard would it 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.320 then be the lease in urban areas? And this across 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.280 the country as well, because it's the president, but specific 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.159 in Cincinnati, how are it would be the least and 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.320 get out of lease for that matter? And what would 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.880 happen to commercial rent and anyone wanting to develop downtown? 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:18.840 And what pretty much ended would it not? Because if 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:22.440 you know, as a landlord myself a much smaller scale, 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.840 now all of a sudden I'm charged with being the police. 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.359 And in a way, that's the problem I had with 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.800 landlords being held liable for the behavior their tenants to 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.800 some degree, and that you know, if they're having a 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.960 party at three o'clock in the morning and it's a 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.160 noise violation or being loud or whatever it is. How 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.600 I don't understand how the hell I could be responsible 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.600 for the actions of a grown adult. I mean, they're leasing. 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.120 Here's the terms of the lease. You can't make noise, 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.440 you can't do this, can't do that. Okay, great, you 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.280 know I don't live next door to them, and I 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.679 know it's about targeting the out of state landlords. But 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.840 you know, again, it's a vacuum and people are buying houses, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:58.560 and whether you like it or not, that's the name 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.920 of the game. US are big companies, but it seems 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.280 kind of punitive to me a whole them responsible for. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.720 You know, if it's look at this way, if you 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.880 come peeling down the street in your car and you're 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:12.359 doing fifty and a twenty five, that's not on me, 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.280 that's on the tenant who's driving that way or parking 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.040 illegally or whatever it is. But when it comes to 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:19.280 those kind of violations around that, I could see if 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.040 it's you know, building code or something like that. Properties 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.880 in decline, there's weeds, gutters are falling DOWNE sure absolutely 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.199 effects quality there, but I hate that it gives landlords 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.560 a bad name. But when it comes to their individual behavior, 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:32.439 they have an allowed party or something like that, Like 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:34.640 that's not really my concern. You can let me know. 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.480 But I you know, when we started doing that, and 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.240 this kind of opens the door for that too, is 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.160 how far is expected that the landlord in this cantsdown 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:47.360 properties be responsible for crime around the in this case 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.960 Ruby's restaurant. You know, if landlords become liable for crime 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.119 in and around the buildings, and insurance costs goes through 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:55.960 the roof, and there's going to be a lot of 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:58.000 abandoned properties because a lot of those are going to 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:01.920 become uninsurable and so now you have to hire your 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.000 own security firm to guarantee safety, and those costs gets 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.879 passed on the tenants and be unlivable downtown. So I 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.119 don't know. That's that seems to be really slippery slope 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.720 in my opinion. Anyway, looks like we are close to 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.080 but I'll believe when I see it. The end of 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.440 the shutdown, the Senate reaching a deal last night to 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.040 fund the government late last night. So we're what forty 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.479 days right now after the shod longest shutdown in history, 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.680 and it started out as theater and then gradually starts 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:30.200 to affect people. So, for example, my brother and sister 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.440 law were traveling this weekend, got jammed up in the airport, 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.080 and it was a good time. And of course, you know, 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.440 that's minor compared to the folks who have run out 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.080 of staff benefits, and of course federal workers who go 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:44.200 on paid and the list goes on. So it looks 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.360 like they're going to reinstate all government employees laid after 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.480 the shutdown. Everyone gets full back pay. And John Thune, 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:53.040 the Republican Senate majority leader, says, we're going to promise 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:57.560 a vote to extend affordable healthcare the ACA subsidies later 0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.600 this year as well, will promise a vote, no guarantee 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.400 of outcome there, but if indeeda said okay, well, we're 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.639 going to at least fund this for another year our 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.520 live superiod of time till we can come with a conclusion, 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:09.920 meaning we'll kick it down the can down the road again. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.879 The funding package will go to the House for consideration, 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:14.879 and maybe the thing will be done and just a 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.680 few short hours, if not days. But one also goes, okay, 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.480 we shut this thing down for forty days, You're gonna 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.960 pay all the workers. You're gonna get your back pay. 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.639 SNAP is going to be restored. We're going to extend 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.920 the Affordable Care Act. What the hell was the point 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.920 of shutting this down for the last forty days, one 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.159 may ask, and that would be the central question, the 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:36.920 inefficiencies and neglect of our government, the people we send 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:42.520 to do our bidding. Also too, something that kind of 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:46.080 broke late on Friday is President Trump wants to hand 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:50.360 out checks pall. Hes're a politician, right, It's like, well, 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.560 the things are going unless they're paying people off. You 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.000 may get a two thousand dollars tariff dividend. They're calling 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.640 this according to his post on truth. Social will take 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:01.480 that with a grain of salt. The dividend will be 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.840 paid to everyone except high income people. And so this 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:07.520 is on the heels of I think it was Josh 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:11.080 Hawley introducing legislation over the summer or last term, I 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.480 guess to give a six hundred dollars tare freebay to 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:18.560 nearly all Americans independent children, and the Secretary Treasury said 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.040 our priority is paying down with now the thirty eight 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.400 trillion dollar national debt using the tariff revenue. Okay, so 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:27.080 the math on this math doesn't really math out because 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:29.800 so far through quarter three, three quarters of the year, 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.840 others four quarters, Just like football, two hundred billion dollars 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:35.639 is what we've gained, which a lot of money. Two 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.439 hundred billion dollars in tariffs is what we have pulled in. 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.399 So we're certainly the government's getting some money from the 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:44.000 two hundred from the tariffs. And it's two hundred billion 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:49.280 dollars to the third quarter. Great, that is what five 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.680 one thousandth of the of the deficit of the debt. 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.000 And if it's five to one thous the interest rate 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.840 that we're paying me and you and everyone collectively on 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.879 that debt is in excess of three percent. I'm not 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.840 the big math guy. Maybe you are. So if you 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.919 get two hundred billion dollars and then you're gonna give 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.520 everyone two thousand dollars and then you're gonna pay I 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.119 guess they're gonna use more of it to pay the 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.359 national debt, the federal debt. Then that's done. It doesn't 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.680 work out. So you've only got two hundred billion dollars. 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.800 It's thirty eight trillion. So the at this rate, you're 0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:25.800 never going to catch up. It's going to continue to 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:29.040 get worse and worse and worse. So that doesn't even 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:30.960 I mean, it sounds good to go, Hey, everyone's gonna 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.640 get two k if you did that. Basically you're everyone 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.679 to vote for you because you keep getting paid. But 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:37.960 we're not addressing the central issue, and that is the 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.560 out of control debt. But again, it's Washington. It doesn't 0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.360 have to make sense. It does not have to make 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:51.600 sense in other news, there is ay. The science is 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:58.080 specificously the astroscientists. To me, it's fascinating because most people like, okay, 0:25:58.080 --> 0:25:59.840 you look up, there's the moon, the stars. Okay, if 0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:03.840 there's a lunar eclipse, solar eclipses a bit way, that 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:05.679 big solar eclipse, right, everyone lose their mind. That's a 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.320 big one. That is the super Bowl of celestial events. 0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.560 An eclipse. I can see there's like a star passing by. 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.200 The plans in alignment, maybe not so much. It seems 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.200 like every week we have some sort of astrophysic event 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.480 here that they get excited about. And that'd be the 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.880 I don't know. In this case, a theoretical physicist out 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:29.159 of Harvard as the scientific community worked at because he 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.520 believes that we are about to be visited by aliens, 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:37.359 an alien mothership. What apparently there's a comet, and this 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.879 comet is racing through our solar system and it is 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.840 obviously since from a different solar system, it's an interstellar. 0:26:46.240 --> 0:26:49.080 It's not going to abide by our laws of gravity 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:50.679 and physics, and that is that it erals are on 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:52.359 the Sun now it's going to blaze by the Sun 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.320 and it just did, and it's on track to fly 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:59.000 by Earth on December nineteenth. And he believes that this 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.760 may be an alien not a comet, because of the 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.840 shape and form of it. And we don't have like 0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:06.000 three of these, by the way, we're have an interstellar 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:10.439 object of body flying through our little world here. And 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.879 he said, listen, this could be interesting. It could be 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:14.520 an alien mothership. I don't know if that's tongue in 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.439 cheek or not, but you know, it's the idea to 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.360 try and get you to eat your vegetables and pay 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.199 attention to this kind of stuff. So the orbit of 0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:24.959 this comet is traced of the past clearly it originates 0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.080 from outside the Solar system, and it's an odd shape, 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.200 and I guess that is why how they would dictate 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:32.240 it comes from outside our solar system. So the but 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:33.959 here's the thing. Okay, we're gonna get visited by an 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.160 alien mothership. You hear that headline, go oh wow, that's 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.280 that's interesting. Okay. 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:37.520 Goal. 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.240 The closest it's going to get is about one hundred 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:46.879 seventy million miles. It's just inside the orbit of Mars. 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:51.520 Not exactly close. Hey, certainly in those terms when you 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.600 look at bodies in heaven, that's that's pretty close. But 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:56.960 for me and you, one hundred seventy million miles is 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:02.359 I don't care. As it makes a U turn and says, 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:06.320 hold up, hit the brakes. There's a Starbucks. Look, there's 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.560 a star I'm gonna stop at Earth and get some Starbucks. 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:11.600 Maybe a little no, I think you can still get 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.160 a pumpkin spice latte. Maybe they don't have that where 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.879 they're coming from. I don't know. So the size of 0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.120 it be investigated by astronomers around the world, and once 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:21.960 it passes the Sun, it's going to reappear on the 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.720 other side by early next year or early in December, 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:27.320 so right on the nineteenth, and then we'll have renewed 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.399 observations because you got to renew the observations. Witch you 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.640 do I do that is you know there's some sort 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:34.320 of we're not going to see this another for another 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.639 two thousand years. And you go outside and it's cloudy. 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.080 It's always three because it's nice three o'clock in the morning. 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.920 I don't know, I'm probably not gonna get at three 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:43.960 o'clock in the morning, see some stars, see a comet 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.440 pass by. Wow, look at that comment. It's interstellar. It's 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.880 like it's this little tiny dot out there. And eventually, 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.440 you know, I'll just wake up the next morning it'll 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.959 be on my phone and a nice close up at 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.440 that too. So trying to get up and maybe you're 0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.840 an astronomy, you probably don't sleep much or your odds 0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:00.640 are it's like you're working third r because all the 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:03.000 good stuff happens when it's dark. Obviously, once in a 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.320 great while you get a an eclipse, a solar eclipse, 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.000 and you can see it during the day, but mainly 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:09.880 it's like your job is at night. The rest of 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:11.600 us have to work for a living and deal with 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:15.080 traffic and such and such a quick time out. More 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:17.320 to follow on this snowy Monday morning. All the latest 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:21.480 traffic details minutes away here on seven hundred WW Scott's 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:25.680 loan here seven hundred wlw oh, by the way, with 0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:27.640 the snow of the cold weather here, don't forget if 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.160 you got those hoses looked up to the side of 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.920 your house, take them off. Don't want broken pipes. Just saying, 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.840 just saying, Bengals in U see idle this weekend, some 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.360 of those rare college and pro teams not playing and 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.520 so yeah, maybe a little extra time here. I watched 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.800 Saturday night FC advance in the playoffs in front of 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:47.440 a passing crowd of TQ. Well, it looked absolutely crazy. 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:49.360 The environment right there. 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:49.760 It was. 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:51.560 I feared that out had to be magical because they 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:55.400 eliminated Columbus. FC eliminates Columbus in the deciding game three 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:59.360 on Brenner's gold final minutes of regulation one of the 0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:02.640 I'll have Tommy g By the way, Tommy Glarterer is 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.760 on the show later on like eleven thirty five. Instead 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.840 of a usually I talked to James Rapine, but being 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:09.000 I don't know, I thought we talked a lot of 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.360 to see because it was you know, arguably, you know 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.400 what the way the Bengals are right now, I would 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:19.040 say that FC Cincinnati maybe and oh certainly you see 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.800 the most exciting sports product we have right now. And 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.560 it was a lot of fun to watch on Saturday night. Anyway, 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.320 Tommy G'll be here after eleven thirty five talking about 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.520 the big win and of course just slaying the dragon 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.560 out of the Columbus crew. And it wasn't easy, that's 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.280 for sure. But this is a call in the Spanish 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:56.320 radio booth from TQL Stadium on Saturday night. It always 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.320 sounds like a party. I have no idea what he's saying. 0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:03.600 I had the countdown Fiesta Cincinnati. I'm there for the party, man, 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.400 I'm there for all of it. It's a good time. 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:09.600 So anyway, two weeks off before they play again, because 0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.040 well you have international games in there too, and that's 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:13.920 the one thing as a sports fan in North American 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.320 sports fani I didn't get that whole thing that in 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:17.560 the middle of the season that he said we got 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.440 the playoffs, Yeah, we gotta stop why because our guys 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.400 are going to go play international soccer and then they'll 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.320 come back and we'll have the playoffs like an afterthought. 0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.160 Don't get that one. But it was really really exciting, 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:29.520 really exciting. Coming up next to the show on seven 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:33.640 hundred WLW, we have the government shutdown. The ledgedly is 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:35.440 close to end. I don't know how close it is ending. 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:37.640 I shouldn't say that. The Senate met late last night 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.080 came up with some compromise. The House has got to 0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:42.480 figure it out of the all go sideways. Of course, 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:44.840 in the next few hours or days, we'll see what 0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.120 we believe. We're a day forty right now, but everything's 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.480 going on because the shutdown is taking center stage, and 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.280 so it is. The weather here in Cincinnati is what's 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.440 going on in Venezuela right now as we continue to 0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.520 blow up ships off the coast. And if you are 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:01.440 following the so all you go, well, okay, I didn't 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.080 know Venezuela was sending drugs there, Well, well they really aren't. 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.200 Mexico is still the biggest purveyer of this stuff. But 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.520 that is just a pretext for what is about to 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.640 happen here. His name is Jeffrey Gilson. He studies this 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.840 stuff and he's got a British accent, so that makes 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.240 him ten times smarter than the rest of us. So 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:18.360 anyone talks with a British accent, you just sound like informed, 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:21.640 like a show on PBS or something like that. It's 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.080 good just to be stupid, you know, British comedy, but 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:26.920 it's higher level, it's more highbrow because they're doing with 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:31.040 that accent. Anyway, what's happening in Venezuela and what the 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.920 endgame is there, it's really interesting and also frightening at 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:35.400 the same time. We'll talk to him about that coming 0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.040 up on this Monday morning. Julie h Will Mental Health 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.560 Monday at ten thirty five. And of course the big 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.600 story in Cincinnati right now would be the weather that 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.400 started to moving on right around a thirty or so, 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:46.920 a little bit more snow. Daton got hit pretty good 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:49.440 with a couple of inches of snowscrewing up traffic there. 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.640 But now it's starting to certainly starting to accumulate out 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:54.200 there and this is going to cause some problems on 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.800 the road. And Chuck Ingram will drop by in just 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.960 seconds here full weather traffic and more Scott's Loan show 0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:01.720 on this Monday morning in the Home The Best Paracles 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.600 coverage seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:07.360 You want to be an American Scott Flown show. 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.840 This is seven hundred WLW. We've seen this unprecedented military 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.760 action off Venezuela in the extra judicial killings of alleged 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.200 drug runners. We don't know. We're blowing stuff up and 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.240 all the evidence goes with us. There's no trial. Could 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:23.000 be a con certainly those could be. It's a constituential problem. 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.360 So much so there's a bipartisan call for oversight. Of course, 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.040 you got open up the damn government for those conversations 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.040 to happen. But here we are. But if we think 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:35.000 it's about drugs and fentanyl, think again, because that is 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.200 not the story at all. It just does not check out. 0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.920 There's something bigger going on here. Uh, and it has 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:41.920 to do not with the United States, but the balance 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.600 of power between China, Russia and Iran. Jeff Gilson is here, 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:50.280 former speechwriter for Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and a geopolitical expert. Jeff, welcome, 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:50.680 How are you. 0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.440 I'm fine. Thank you having me on the show. 0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:57.200 Yeah, before we start on topic A, I have to 0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:01.160 ask you about the passing of Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.959 has passed away, and he had a hand, and of 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:05.960 course the First Golf War two part of the strategy 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:10.120 with Margaret Thatcher. And as I recall now that the 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.880 history is the books have been open, did he I 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.359 believe he fought with her over chemical weapons and whether 0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.480 or not the because she wanted to use chemical weapons 0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.360 and he was against it, which does not go with 0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:20.520 the Dick Cheney narrative. 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:21.320 Is that true. 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:23.920 I don't know all the details of that, but very 0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:28.000 definitely Dick Cheney was quite happy to use any any 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.120 means good if he saw it to protect American Dick 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.880 Cheney is an interesting character. He was around from the 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:38.480 days of Nixon, and in terms that your listeners would understand, 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:43.640 Dick Cheney is the godfather of the unitary executive authority 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.960 and me had Cotton, which basically put together, means the 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.520 president is the supreme federal power and pretty much can 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.640 do what he wants. That's what the constitution says. And 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.560 actually I find some sympathy with that, although I'm disappointed 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:00.600 about it, but that's on the filming thought father, it's 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.800 not Dick Cheney. And then once you have the supreme president, 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:06.920 his or her job is to make the rest of 0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:07.840 the world cower. 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:09.560 And that's it. 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.719 That's Dick Cheney in a nutshell all wolf of It's 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.720 who was in the Defense Department when Bush Junior invading 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.680 Iraq said that Dick Cheney was the scariest person he'd 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.399 ever met. Now, you may be a Dick Cheney fan, 0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:26.200 you may not be a Dick Cheney fan. But he 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.160 was one of the most powerful figures. And he definitely 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.719 was the godfather of neo gunn So he was all 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:35.880 in favor of invading countries to protect America's interests, and 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.800 he was in favor of torture and chemical weapons, anything 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.680 that was needed to get the job done quickly and effectively. 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:46.680 I'm pretty sure that market Thatcher would not have much 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.400 got that. Margaret Thatcher at heart was a libertarian. She 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:53.560 went to war in the Falkland Islands in nineteen eighty 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:58.200 two with huge reluctance, but she knew that the alternative 0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:02.520 was to cowtow to a dictator in Argentina. Since we're 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.799 talking about Venezuela, ye, it all comes back to Latin. 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:07.000 America more important than people. 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:07.279 Really. 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.200 Yeah, Jeff Gilson, let's get into that. The reality. There's 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.560 there's the reality versus the narrative. And this has been 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:15.960 blown apart already, is that the you know, the idea 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.080 that that's a government run cartel has been debunked last year. 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.839 The Drug Threat Assessment doesn't even mention Venezuela, and there's 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.720 a list of dangerous countries. The National Intelligence Council reports 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.239 at Maduro doesn't control drug trafficking all. They play very 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.919 little role in the federyl or opioid crisis. And yet 0:36:32.080 --> 0:36:34.120 here we are back with Venezuela and we're bombing the 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.040 hell out of them, blown up ships. And but the 0:36:37.040 --> 0:36:39.719 federal story, I think it plays here in America. It's 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.520 good for Trump, good for Trump being on brand and 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.960 fighting the war on drugs. But the reality is there's 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:48.120 something bigger at play here. Let's talk about where Iran, Russia, China, 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:49.400 and the United States intersect. 0:36:50.760 --> 0:36:53.680 Okay, well, I mean the first thing is that Donald Trump, 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:57.120 I believe quite genuinely it's against the drug trade. 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:58.000 But he's not quite right. 0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:02.520 Put out, there's there's little here. However, you have to 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:08.520 use drugs as an excuse because drug interdiction allows the 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:12.160 president under the Constitution, in certain powers that he doesn't 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.160 have if you say, we just don't like the man 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:20.080 and we need to control Venezuela. Plus Maga is not 0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.640 going to be happy because Maga, Marjorie Tayler Green is 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.040 very much opposed to foreign individual. 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:27.279 We need to be pulling back from that. 0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.640 So the line coming out of the White House is well, 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:33.719 number one, it isn't really foreign, it's our backyard. Think 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:39.120 Monroe doctrine. And secondly, it's about drugs. So drugs are 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:44.120 the excuse just talking about the wider the issues of 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.440 what Earth has has got to do with Iran and Russian. 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:51.840 Here's the deal. Venezuela is a rogue nation think Cuba 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:56.000 from the sixties for those history bus listening. It is 0:37:56.080 --> 0:37:59.320 exactly the same. Russia uses it as a toe hold 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:04.080 in the Western hemisphere. China gets oil from Venezuela. You'll know, 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:09.680 Venezuela sits on huge reserves of oil, and Iran, which 0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.640 of course has its own oil, cannot export because of functions. 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:17.759 So what it does is it ships its oil to Venezuela. 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.160 Venezuela then sells it as Venezuelan oil. So this is 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:26.400 unholy alliance centered in Venezuela and the person pushing for 0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:30.360 this is less Donald Trump and more Marco Rubio. This 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:34.200 I think was the deal between Rubio and Trump, that 0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:38.000 Rubio would grit his teeth, close his eyes, put his 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.200 fingers in his ears, and serve as secretary of State 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.239 to the man who know about in the things to 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:47.640 say about his hands. In return for which Trump we 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.440 say the America is he yours to play with? Because 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:55.279 Rubio is because of his kiven An American background, is vehemently 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.880 opposed to the leadership in Cuba and Venezuela, and he 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:02.520 is the one driving. So that's what they want. They 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.640 want regime change, but they know it's going to be 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:07.600 very difficult to get boots on the ground, so they're 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:11.400 using drugs. They have certain executive authorities to intervite drugs 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:16.839 on the seas. They can use certain CIA covert operations 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.840 on land if it's a clear and present danger think 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:25.680 Harrison Ford the movie Clear and Present Danger, And a 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:29.920 couple of weeks ago, the CIA already passed a finding 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:35.000 that the so called narco terrorist regime and supporters in 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:40.000 Venezuela represented a direct and clear and present danger. So 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.480 the authority is there to put CIA boots on the ground. 0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:47.239 The build up of the military is part and Parcelor's 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.920 what I think Trump wants to do or other Rubia 0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:53.920 wants to do, is scare Madeuro into leaving sort of 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.080 what happened, not quite what happened, but what they were 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.880 trying to do, what Bushclia was trying to do in Panama. 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.960 And if you see something happening in Venezuela, the template 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:07.080 is Panama a Bush Senior where they used drugs once 0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:10.320 again as the excuse to go in and then and 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.480 also the threat to the Panama Canal. So in Venezuela 0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:16.400 they're going to put steering a boots on the ground 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:20.960 and probably hope for some sort of intervention from Venezuela, 0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:24.400 at which point the president has six days authority to 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:26.800 go in because they put American lives at Yeah. 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:34.040 And this is about getting Machado, Maria Parina Machado once celebrated. Yeah, 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.160 it's getting someone there who's going to play ball with 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.000 the United States. It's about and there are a lot 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.239 of parallels. It's interesting you brought up Cuba because it 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:42.440 feels just like it outside of maybe the Bay of 0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:46.440 Pigs and that botched effort. And of course leading to 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.960 the standoff and being on the brink of nuclear war. 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.920 I don't think it escalates that. But now it's not 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.520 just US viv Russia, right, this is a multipolar battle 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.920 because you don't have just one country, you have several. 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.480 Yeah, I mean as far as Revio as I say, 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.640 Reubio Trumpet concerned. This is an irritation that they want 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.000 to have go away. And the major military build up 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.960 the aircraft carrier, is to try and put pressure on 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.920 Maduro to leave. There are definitely there's a very strange 0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:19.560 relationship between politicians. This happens across lack America. There are 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.920 the elites in Venezuela who go by the English nickname 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:26.560 of plugs. I think that's a shortened version of a 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:30.600 Spanish word, and they control, They have the authority, and 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.560 for the moment, they back the Duro, but they are already, 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:37.400 according to my sources, in touch with the Chado and 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.360 ready to switch if they think that Maduro is no 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.200 longer going to be the flavor of the month in 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.240 the rest of the Americas. And Maduro is probably looking 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.080 for a way out, and so that's the first thing 0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:51.680 put the military around here threatened him. Hope that he 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.400 will leave, hope that the plugs will switch their support 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:58.320 to Machado and if not, possibly engineer something with CIA 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.920 operations on the ground. Maschado is an interesting person, I mean, 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:06.400 because she's completely confused the left wing because when Donald 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.400 Trump didn't win his Nobel Peace Prize as she did, 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:14.000 the left wing media in America was cocker, Oh, fantastic, 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.080 this wonderful woman who is all for peace and democracy 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.320 has run instead of Trump. Then they discovered she's actually 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.400 right wing and a supporter of Trump. So now they're confused. 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.439 But anyway, yes, they want to bring a Shado back. 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.440 Do you see us getting involved in essentially in a 0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:32.160 war and a battle down there, because it has all 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:33.799 the elements that right now arend to the guys of 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.279 fighting narco terrorism, which is not the case. If this 0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:38.200 is about regime change, it's a whole nother thing. How 0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:39.600 does this play with Trump's base. 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:47.560 Badly? I think that at the moment Trump may be 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:50.960 suffering from the classic syndrome. And it's interesting that we 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:59.040 were talking about Dick Cheney because Dick Cheney was the 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:03.080 past masters, to say, the godfather of Neokon and unitary 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:07.640 Presidency of presidential authority. He was also a past master, 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:11.160 being the lapdog. He said whatever Bush wanted to hear. And 0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.719 at the moment, I think there's a problem in having 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:15.960 too many people in the White House were loyal. The 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:20.200 Trump isn't getting sensible advice and he's rather taking what's 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.959 happened with Ukraine and Gaza. And he's done good work, 0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.279 there absolutely no doubt about it. But he's beginning to 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.960 think he can do it anywhere, and he's rather forgetting 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.480 his magabase. And they're not going to let him get 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:36.319 involved in an out and out replay of Iraq or Afghanistan. 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.319 They're not going to let it happen. So I think 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:41.160 he's going to have problems. What I would see is 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.480 if Madia doesn't leave just on the basis of threat, 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.000 some sort of I'm not going to otherby use the 0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:50.120 word contrived, but I'll use it, some sort of contrived 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:55.840 incident on the ground in Venezuela, CIA operatives made getting killed. 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:59.000 What you will then see is a very short sharp 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.160 air strike regime. And if that doesn't move the Duro, 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.960 I'm not quite sure what happened Sace. I would be 0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:12.359 surprised to see American troops, mainstream troops on the ground 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.040 in Venezuela. I think it would be more like Bosnia 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:19.600 and severe strike. Oh man targets to scare the Durro rout. 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.480 Yeah, but you know we've seen this movie before time 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.200 and time again. Right at some point, Hey, maybe it's 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.600 now We're going to go into Venezuela and uh, okay, 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:29.960 we're not going to do well. We got to do 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.239 boots out of the ground, and now it ties up 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.480 US resources and this frees up our rivals and that 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:38.320 would be the mentioned nations we spoke of here, uh, 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.000 to create more opportunities for them. And you know, at 0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:42.880 this point, then they start you can see it, right 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.200 then they start funding a proxy war where Russia and 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.120 China maybe a rand start arming the Venezuelan resistance like 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.439 in Syria. And we've done this for the emptieth time. 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.280 Well I mean, I mean, Scott, I will say is radio. 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:59.480 It'stop television, so your listeners can't see. Although I'm giving 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.160 you the run down, my head is gently resting on 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.440 the desk saying what you're saying, which is, oh no, 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.040 please not again. 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:07.840 Really, come on. 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.000 We get back, and it's a lady getting bogged down 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.759 there like Russia did in Afghanistan, like we didn't erect it. 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:15.000 That's probably what's going to happen. 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:19.240 And more than that, there is this danger too. Putin 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:22.640 and ISAs in Pin are fairly young by the standards 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:26.840 of leaders of those societies, and they're not stupid. Peutin 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.319 made great hay in the Nords with the invasion of 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:34.160 Iran and Afghanistan, and he went into Georgia and Chechhnya 0:45:34.400 --> 0:45:36.919 and sorted that out. And every time anyone complained he said, 0:45:37.120 --> 0:45:40.880 I'm sorry you went into Iraq and Afghanistan because he 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:44.399 said they were terrorists there who were threatening the national security. Well, 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:47.840 they are Muslim terrorists in Chechen in Georgia threatening Russia. 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:52.200 What's the difference. The danger is if we go into Venezuela. 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:55.160 And the immediate danger I see, quite aside from Putant 0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.200 digging in over Ukraine, is that China might turn around 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:01.600 and say, oh, well, we regard Taiwan right, and that's 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.319 our backyard, So now why can't we do the same thing. 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:08.760 Why can't we lawn chairs strikes against Taiwan. That's the danger. 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.560 Yeah, and without any you know, not that we're going 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.960 to get us UN author The UN's kind of feckless 0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:18.319 at this point, or it's a joke, but you know, 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.040 it's just in an under minds that moral authority we had, 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:23.080 whether it's Taiwan or Ukraine for that matter, right, international 0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.320 rules go out the window and we're back to getting 0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.680 bogged down again. This is but Jeff Gilson, this whole 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.440 thing's happening exactly the time when our global dominance is 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:33.719 being threatened by these other countries. Is this a way 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:35.759 of standing up and saying okay in a good break 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.160 either way? Obviously too, we're reasserting our regional control over 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.920 our backyard. But at the same time we risk exposing 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.560 ourselves to the limits of our power in this new 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:46.399 new world order. 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:53.200 I agree, and I mean I'm observing reasonably even handedly. 0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:55.640 But you know, if if I'm a president and I've 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:58.160 not been back in my second term for more, it's 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.960 not even been a year yet, and I've gilded everything, 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:04.000 and I've got a bit boring, and I run Washington, 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:07.920 it is very very difficult scot and particularly you've not 0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:10.560 got people around you who are giving you alternative advice. 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.040 It's very very difficult to stop and to you know, 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.520 it's one thing it's difficult to self start. It's also 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:20.200 difficult to self stop. And he's done a great job 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:23.600 in Ukraine and Gaza. But the end result is stop 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.560 what's going on and get out. And I don't think 0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.719 there's anyone there saying no, sir, you don't want to 0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:33.520 go into Venezuela. And this regard Marco Rubio is drenched 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.920 in neo goon. There is absolutely no way he is. 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.480 He is native Maga, he is a neogon, and he 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:45.400 believes in controlling Latin America and in regime change. And 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:53.120 that's the danger because interestingly, up again talking about Dick Cheney. 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:59.960 Absolutely absolutely, Marco Rubio is probably the most powerful secret 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:04.200 state at the moment since Henry Kissinger. And I think 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.319 that there has been this deal done where y much 0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:09.920 Rubio can do what you want in Americas, and that's 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:15.600 the danger. And I can say, Scott, I've written a 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.200 book about strange intelligence activities and networks to go on 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:22.840 for thirty years and powers behind the throne. I'm looking 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:26.120 hard for something in Venezuela that we might be missing, 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:30.719 and I've even looked into this strange attempted coup in 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:34.840 the twenties. In twenty twenty called the Bay of Piglets interesting. 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.759 I don't see it. Venezuela is a destroyed country. 0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:43.960 I know that Iran and China and Russia are in there, 0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:47.560 but it's like Casablanca in the forties, think the movie. 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:49.920 I don't see what a frett it is. 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:52.480 The Only thing I came across recently, beside from the 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.319 oil says, is that Venezuela and along the north of 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:58.960 Latin America and down the eastern seaboard of Latin America 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:03.040 are huge positive rare earth minerals. We know that Donald 0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.760 Trump is looking to get a supply of rare earth minerals, 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:08.160 but is it worth invasion if you're in this order. 0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:08.759 I don't think so. 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:10.719 Yeah, anything else. 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.080 And oil obviously to oil rich countries that those but 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:15.560 the rare earth animals minerals kind of jump off the 0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:19.560 page there and then the second we have left here, Jeff, 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.440 most likely outcome is okay, full invasion. I don't know 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:25.480 if we work with it's smart to do that, but 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.600 he limited strikes and then you know, Russia and China 0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:30.480 can yell at us and threaten us, but they're not 0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:34.920 going to really do anything and then gradually we you know, 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:37.560 get some assets in there, I suppose, but and then 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.400 say victory, and it's like and the country just continues 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:41.120 doing what they're doing. 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.160 Well, I suspect something like that. Yeah. 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:47.799 And the only thing I think working in favor of 0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.279 this is that, and this is probably a subject for 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:54.560 a discussion amount the time, is that Russia and China 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:57.279 are not as strong now as they were ten years ago. 0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:59.920 Yeah, I mean economically spent the going of China for 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:01.920 and foremost here, I think they're the biggest clear and 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:04.040 present danger. Rush is all tied up with, you know, 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.080 with a war, and you can dragging them down in 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:10.240 Iran as obviously terrorists the biggest terrorst sponsor, but China 0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:11.920 is the biggest scared to us because it's lay in 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:16.239 that long, slow economic bleed game. And I think that 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.480 that's probably the biggest fear in this whole situation is 0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.040 how far China pushes back. 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:25.799 Capitalism is the most democratic form of economy that you 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.280 can have. I can tell you it may not be today, 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.000 it may not be tomorrow, it may not be for 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:34.160 the next fifty years. But if China genuinely introduces capitalism, 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:38.600 which it has democracy has to follow, and that is 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.840 what is plaguing China at the moment. It's an Asson 0:50:41.920 --> 0:50:44.200 p and he's having to pull back a bit because 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.879 he's not got the leeway he used to have, which 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.040 is why he's trying to impose more authority. We see 0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:51.800 the imposing authority as a strength. 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:52.200 It's not. 0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:55.560 It's a weakness in my opinion, because the Chinese people 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.799 want more and they want democracy. So he's actually got 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:02.080 his own problems home. And of course Puton is nowhere 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.840 near as strong as he was because the invasion of 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:09.520 Ukraine has been a traumatic demonstration of just how useless 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:10.800 is the Russian military. 0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:15.720 Jeff Gilson former speechwriter for the late Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:19.160 also geopolitical expert and The Real Game with Venezuela. The 0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.319 Inside Game Here. Jeff, thanks for jumping on the show 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:21.680 this morning. 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.480 Hey, I'm going to come back, Yes, sir. 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.480 We've got weather here and at least of the lunchtime 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.360 hour anyway, full news and weather and traffic update and 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:33.880 how that's affecting things in just four minutes here on 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:37.720 seven hundred Wow. Then when I return, it's Mental Health Monday, 0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:41.720 our licensed mental health therapist Julie Headersh here is here. 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:45.439 We will talk about the number one sign you see 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:47.920 in as adult with childhood trauma. So, yeah, well, there's 0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:50.799 a kid. You know, you're traumatized quite frequently depending on 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:54.480 your childhood. What is the number one thing that manifests 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:56.839 itself later on in your adult life that goes back 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:58.759 to your childhood. So'll get into that next on the 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:00.640 show Scott's Loan seven hundred WLW. 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:05.200 Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.240 to help us get our heads right. This is Mental 0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:11.000 Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire. 0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:15.080 Yeah, more than two thirds of children experience at least 0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:18.000 one traumatic event by the age of sixteen, so safe 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:19.920 to say most of us have experienced some sort of 0:52:19.960 --> 0:52:21.920 a traumatic event. And I'd imagine this is not new. 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.640 This goes back to our childhood, maybe even before some 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.880 of these things were diagnosed. But there is an adult 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:30.720 life all this stuff, you know, not always but often 0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:33.479 comes back to manifest itself on other forms. The number 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:37.359 one sign of childhood trauma and adults is well, it's 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.399 Julie Hattersh. Here's here with the answer. Here on seven 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:41.200 hundred other Julie, good morning. How are you? 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:43.000 Good morning? I'm fine. 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:43.440 How are you? 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:45.680 I'm fine. The snow is flying. It makes me happy. 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.759 But some people may be depressed by all this white 0:52:47.760 --> 0:52:51.600 stuff that's falling and soon melting. But uh, a little early. 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:53.920 But I'm kind of writing in the Christmas spirit. I 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:54.520 don't mind it. 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.000 It kind of looks pretty, doesn't it. 0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:57.279 You're not stuck in it. 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.640 Exactly, which we're not going to because I don't think 0:53:00.640 --> 0:53:01.719 there's going to be that much of it. 0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:03.960 Yeah, no, no, well if you're in it now, I'm saying, 0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:08.680 all right, So yeah, it's typical. I think people have 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.360 this reaction like, oh my god, it's all about your 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.600 childhood and your bad parenting. But yeah, I mean, you 0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:14.920 think about the problems that we have in society, in 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.239 the world for that matter. If we had a cure 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:20.440 for parenting and everyone we're a good parent, we wouldn't 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:22.439 have all the problems we have in the world, safe 0:53:22.480 --> 0:53:22.839 to say. 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.160 I mean, there's a lot of ways to be a 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.680 good parent, and there are some ways to screw things up, 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:33.080 and even the most well meaning of us occasionally screw 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:35.880 it up with our kids. And what we may think 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.839 is a minor ish kind of thing to. 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:40.880 Our kid may be kind of a big deal. 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:45.040 But when we're talking about childhood trauma, we're talking about 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.480 typically things that go on for a. 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:49.280 Period of time. 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:51.960 I mean, we all know the traumas of like you know, 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:54.960 a car accident or a terrible thing like that. 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:58.480 When we're talking about childhood trauma, we're typically talking about things. 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:00.520 That go on for a period of time, like bullying 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:04.480 in school, or having a parent who is volatile and difficult, 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:07.719 or having a neglect in your home where you have 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.520 food insecurity, things like that. Those are the kinds of 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:11.960 things that we're talking about, right. 0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:14.560 But the number one sign of childhood trauma adults is what. 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:16.840 Well. 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:19.560 I had clients send me this and I thought it 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:22.279 was fascinating and I thought our listeners would maybe be 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.080 interested in it. So apparently the number one sign of 0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:29.680 childhood trauma in adults is trying to make a difficult 0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:33.960 person be good to you, persistently, consistently trying to make 0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.920 someone who is difficult like you and be good to you, 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:42.480 whether that's a friend, a family member, your boss, a coworker, 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:47.439 somebody who is difficult, really trying hard, making it your 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:50.640 mission to help to make that person be kind and 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:51.440 be nice. 0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:51.880 And be good to you. 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:55.000 People pleasing, people. 0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:59.000 Pleasing at an extraordinary level. Not just people pleasing in 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:01.640 a normal way, because a lot of us do that 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:05.000 and that isn't necessarily a sign of trauma, but taking 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:10.520 the most difficult person you are encountering and working your 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:13.000 butt off to try to make them be good to you, 0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:14.240 to try to make them. 0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:15.360 Like you and be kind to you. 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:19.719 That level of people pleasing is, according to this researcher, 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:22.520 the number one sign of childhood trauma in adulthood. And 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:24.359 it was news to me, so I thought it might 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:25.319 be news to everybody else. 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:27.960 Interesting people might be interested in that context. Off, do 0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:29.520 you see this in your practice? When what does that 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:30.200 pattern look like? 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:36.120 In my practice, that looks like people who are in 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:41.920 relationships with a particularly difficult partner, but they don't want 0:55:41.960 --> 0:55:45.600 to leave the relationship. They twist themselves into pretzel shapes 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:48.760 to make their partner be kind to them, be nice 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:50.919 to them, be good to them, be loving to them. 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:54.520 Or people come in and they're doing that with their parents. 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.480 They're twisting themselves into pretzel shapes to make the parents 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:01.879 approve of them, to seek their validation to seek their love. 0:56:02.400 --> 0:56:06.319 So these are people who chase validation and approval and 0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:08.480 love from somebody. 0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.279 That's very, very hard to get it from. And we 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:13.719 don't feel good about themselves unless they can. 0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:18.239 So we have the self esteem issue going on there too. Yeah, 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.080 and how does that how does that all start? I mean, 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:23.400 does it get back to that concept they inner child? 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:25.560 I mean, I know it's kind of a worn out trope, 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:26.760 but it doesn't. 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.279 It well, it does? 0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:30.960 I mean, we are all products of our upbringing. And 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.839 although we don't like to look at our parents and 0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:39.040 blame them or hold them responsible for our shortcomings, we 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.759 are very quick often to credit our parents with the 0:56:42.760 --> 0:56:43.239 things that. 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:44.240 We do well in the world. 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:45.880 I am who I am because of my dad, or 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:46.480 I am who. 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:49.319 I am because of my mom. And we are all 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:52.360 products of our upbringing. So you know, my kids are 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:55.120 of my raising them and their dad. Your kids are 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:57.239 of you and your wife raising them. You are of 0:56:57.280 --> 0:57:00.239 your parents raising you. Also, our communities, our. 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.799 Larger families, But we're all products of that. So it's 0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:05.359 not possible. 0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:09.120 To divest ourselves of that and to say only the 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:11.120 good things come from my parents and the bad things 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:11.759 are all on me. 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:13.200 That's not the way it works. 0:57:14.360 --> 0:57:20.840 So if we are raised in circumstances that are uncertain, unpredictable, unsafe, 0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:25.280 we grow up believing that the world is uncertain, unpredictable, 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:28.720 and unsafe, and we grow up with this model of 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:33.480 trying to create certainty where there is uncertainty. So think 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.440 about it in terms of you've got a really angry 0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:37.920 parent at home, parent who flies off the handle for 0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:40.720 no particular reason. In order to feel safe, you need 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.360 that parent to be predictable and less volatile. So if 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:45.680 you can make them like you, if you can make 0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:47.560 them be nice to you, if you can make them 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:51.200 be good to you, then they are less volatile, less unpredictable, 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:52.120 and you are safer. 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:54.040 Yeah, okay, makes sense. 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:57.919 Okay, So we grow up with that model, and we 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:02.680 continue to perpetuate in ourdult lives that same dynamic, often, 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.960 in fact, most of the time without actually recognizing we're 0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:06.440 doing it. 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:08.000 We just want. 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.400 Everybody to like us. Well, we want everybody to like 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:12.360 us or be nice to us, because if they like us, 0:58:12.400 --> 0:58:14.480 they won't hurt us. If they're nice to us, they 0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:16.280 won't be mean to us. If they like us and 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.840 they're nice to us, we're safe and if they don't, 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:21.600 then we're not. And that does come back to that 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.880 inner child that we didn't actually get the safety and 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.480 security we needed as a kid, and we're trying to 0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.720 find it again and again and again as an adult 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:30.840 in other people. 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:33.800 Right, And when that pattern keeps going in adulthood, it 0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:35.880 just establishes that self esteem thing, right. 0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:40.240 It does, because it's really difficult to feel good about 0:58:40.240 --> 0:58:43.320 yourself if your safety and security and well being are 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:44.520 dependent on the most. 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:45.400 Difficult person in the room. 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:46.240 How do you fix it? 0:58:46.400 --> 0:58:49.360 Not well, knowing. 0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:51.840 It's there is the first step. 0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:54.640 Understanding that that is not the way the rest of 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.640 other people in the world operate necessarily, and that there 0:58:57.800 --> 0:58:59.680 is a reason for it, and that there is something 0:58:59.680 --> 0:59:02.800 you can do about it. So recognizing it is the 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:04.920 first step. And I think that's what was so interesting. 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:09.560 This apparently went viral on TikTok, this conversation between this researcher, 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:13.960 doctor Tian and doctor Romani Dvossola, who is that's a mouthful, 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:16.960 who is an expert in narcissism, and she asked him 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:17.840 the question, what's the. 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:18.600 Number one sign? 0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:20.880 And he said, trying to make a difficult person be 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:24.000 good to you, and that went viral on TikTok, so 0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:26.919 apparently it's resonated with a lot of people who see 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:29.640 this pattern in themselves of trying to make difficult people 0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:33.320 be good to them. So recognizing it's there and then 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:37.480 understanding how you can build your self esteem and self 0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:41.320 worth from the inside out. Sometimes that requires therapy. Sometimes 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:44.640 just recognizing that you're doing it is enough for some people. 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:47.160 Just recognizing, oh, I'm banging my head against this wall. 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:49.080 I'm going to stop doing that and go do something else. 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:52.200 Sometimes that's enough for people, just to recognize that that's 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:56.560 not necessarily healthy or necessary. 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:57.560 All right, and breaking that cycle's got to be tough, 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.640 because you know you've been doing it ever since your child. 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.920 Yes, it can be really difficult, and what makes it 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:07.680 harder is that we tend to go out and search 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:09.480 for relationships in our lives. 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:11.600 And I'm not just talking about the people you marry. 1:00:11.600 --> 1:00:14.840 I'm talking about your friends or sometimes the people that 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:17.280 you choose to work with. Are for we go out 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:20.280 and choose relationships in our lives that mirror the relationships 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:22.720 that we were raised with. So many people have a 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:24.840 lot of difficult people in their lives, if they were 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:28.400 raised with difficult people in their family, because that dynamic 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:30.520 of I want to make you like me and be good 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:31.000 to me is. 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:32.280 What they're very familiar with. 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:35.880 So for some people, it's not just one relationship they 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:39.600 have to address, it's a number of different relationships that 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:46.000 they're now recognizing they probably unconsciously chose because they repeat 1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:47.280 that familiar dynamic. 1:00:47.840 --> 1:00:50.520 All right, So what about the other person's relationship, And 1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:52.240 that'd be the one who is well, quote unquote the 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:54.760 abuse your own state, it's an abuse. But the one 1:00:54.840 --> 1:00:58.640 who you have to walk around eggshells on what happened. 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:05.400 On them, Well, oftentimes they go through life relatively unaware 1:01:05.560 --> 1:01:08.440 of the damage that they're causing, or feeling kind of 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:11.720 entitled to cause that damage. I mean, I've spoken to 1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:16.320 so many people who raised their children using corporal punishment, 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:20.440 and they feel perfectly entitled to do that. I've raised 1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:23.760 I've worked with a lot of people who are in 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:27.919 relationships where they are the controlling or emotionally abusive one, 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:30.680 and they feel perfectly entitled to do that. They see 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:35.840 nothing wrong with their behavior. So oftentimes those people will 1:01:35.840 --> 1:01:38.840 go through the rest of their life feeling entitled to 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:42.360 and perfectly justified in the way that they're behaving. And 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.760 it's the other person's problem, which again makes it hard 1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:47.520 if you're the one on the receiving end of that, 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:49.920 because you believe. 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:51.840 What you're and I'm air quoting here. 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:55.240 Abuser says that it's your fault. If you hadn't done X, 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:57.560 they wouldn't have treated you that way. So if you 1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:00.160 don't do X again, they won't treat you that way. 1:02:00.440 --> 1:02:02.640 In a healthy person, that would be true. But in 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:06.040 somebody who is not healthy, like in this case the abuser, 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:08.440 they're going to continue to treat you badly. 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:10.080 They're just going to find new reasons to do it. 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:14.520 Yeah, and it's an awfully difficult cycle to break, for sure. 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:16.560 She's Julie hattersh here on the show this morning. It's 1:02:16.600 --> 1:02:19.600 mental health money in Sconsolan show. And the number one 1:02:19.680 --> 1:02:22.520 sign of childhood trauma and adults is trying to get 1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:24.479 difficult people to like us, to be good as people 1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:26.440 pleasers if you will too. And so it's a survival 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:29.360 mechanism basic from childhood. And this is the number one 1:02:29.400 --> 1:02:34.200 biggest screw up that parents have. And I mean, if 1:02:34.240 --> 1:02:36.680 we know that now is there a hope that this 1:02:36.800 --> 1:02:37.400 ends at some point. 1:02:37.400 --> 1:02:37.800 I just did. 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:39.520 I don't see. It's human nature, right, We're just going 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:42.040 to have bad parents lead to bad decisions in life 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:44.480 and lead to well a lot of the criseses we 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:48.320 have today. But crime and everything else preventable by better parenting. 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:51.600 Well, I think a lot of things are preventable by 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:56.040 better parenting and better relationships in general, better relationships between siblings, 1:02:56.040 --> 1:02:59.200 between husbands and wives, or partners, between parents and children. 1:02:59.520 --> 1:03:01.439 But I want, I want to say it's not even 1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:06.680 just bad parenting. It's because I think when we say 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.800 bad parents, we are inclined to think, well, my parents 1:03:09.800 --> 1:03:10.280 weren't bad. 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:12.120 They did the best they could. They just didn't know 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:12.520 any better. 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:15.000 They didn't have a lot, they were stressed, they were frustrated. 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:19.040 It's not just the parents intent to be a bad 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:21.400 parent or not to be a good parent. It's the 1:03:21.440 --> 1:03:24.560 way the child receives it. It's what it feels like 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:26.880 to the kid. So I'm going to give you a 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:29.440 quick example. When I was married to my first husband, 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.880 when we were raising our children, we made a decision 1:03:32.280 --> 1:03:34.000 that we thought was going to be great for the 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:36.439 whole family. We really did, We carefull, we thought it through, 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:37.720 we thought it was going to be great for the 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:40.720 whole family. It was a really bad choice for my 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:44.600 older son. He really had some challenges around that decision 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:48.800 that we made. So we made a very careful, thoughtful 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:50.800 decision that we thought was going to be good for 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:53.040 the family, and it turned out not to be good for him. 1:03:53.400 --> 1:03:56.400 It can be things like that, things that as parents 1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:59.080 we think are the right choice for a kid and 1:03:59.240 --> 1:04:02.480 turns out because of how things worked out or because 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:05.160 of who that child, is not the right choice for them, 1:04:05.520 --> 1:04:07.760 And it can be seen by the child and felt 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:09.640 by the child as something traumatic. 1:04:10.080 --> 1:04:11.840 So when we say bad parents, I. 1:04:11.760 --> 1:04:15.120 Also want to say sometimes it's good parent making a 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:16.800 choice that turns out not to be good for the 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:17.560 kid in question. 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:19.560 Yeah, part is like, you know, you're so hard on 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:21.160 yourself as a parent. You're doing the right thing because 1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:24.040 there is no instruction manual, and it's a fluid world 1:04:24.040 --> 1:04:26.560 in which we live and things change, and of course 1:04:26.600 --> 1:04:28.680 there's you know, hormones and emotion a whole bunch of 1:04:28.680 --> 1:04:30.800 other factors involved here too. But generally, I think most 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:33.240 parents try to do what's best by their kids. If 1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:36.920 you're some sort of psychopath or a complete narcissists a 1:04:36.960 --> 1:04:39.920 different story entirely, but by and large that's true. And 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.520 it's like, you know, as a parent, how much guilt 1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:43.720 should you carry for these things? 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:48.080 I think you should carry a responsibility, but not guilt. 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:50.640 I think you should carry accountability, and I think you 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:53.120 should take a look at what you were and were 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:55.240 not able to do for your children. But I also 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:58.080 want to take this outside the role of just parents 1:04:58.120 --> 1:05:00.720 and say it's a larger thing in the community. So 1:05:01.000 --> 1:05:04.960 racism and other kinds of discrimination can have huge impacts 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:09.600 on young children. Violence, community violence if they live in 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:15.960 a difficult, violence ridden community, or school violence, the school shootings, 1:05:16.400 --> 1:05:20.120 school bullying. There are things out religious abuse. There are 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:24.360 things outside the nuclear family that come into play as well. 1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:27.400 It's not just mom and dad and grandma and grandpa. 1:05:27.360 --> 1:05:29.520 Who are influencers in kids' lives. 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:33.560 It's their friends, it's their community, it's their coaches, it's 1:05:33.560 --> 1:05:39.160 their mentors, it's their teachers, and challenging circumstances in any 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.800 of those can have a negative impact on the kid. 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:44.600 Even if the nuclear family is pretty stable and solid 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:47.040 and pretty put together, if. 1:05:46.960 --> 1:05:48.520 You're some larger ranging. 1:05:48.360 --> 1:05:50.760 If you're someone who in the pattern. 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:51.200 I get it. 1:05:51.600 --> 1:05:54.520 You know, when you're trying to please difficult people, it's familiarity, 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:58.600 it's low self esteem, and it's seeking validation. You tend 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:01.040 to then choose your friends and the so based on 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:03.200 that as well. You could have an abusive employer. You 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:06.520 can have someone who takes a codependent neighbor, a friend 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:08.960 who takes advantage of you constantly. You just set yourself 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:10.360 for all of that, And then why are you so 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:11.840 attracted to if it makes you miserable? 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:15.840 Well, because it's familiar. So I know many people who 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:20.480 were raised in difficult circumstances who purposely go to work 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:23.000 for bosses that they know will be difficult. So these 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:25.600 are people who had options to do other things and 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:27.680 chose to work for a boss that they knew would 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:32.560 be difficult because they could handle it. So other people 1:06:32.680 --> 1:06:34.640 might take a look at that boss who they believe 1:06:34.640 --> 1:06:37.120 will be very difficult and say, ohn need that stress 1:06:37.120 --> 1:06:39.840 and hassle in my life and peace out. But these 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:42.560 people go toward that because they can handle it, because 1:06:42.560 --> 1:06:45.560 they know how to handle difficult people. That's the situation 1:06:45.720 --> 1:06:47.720 in which that would be a choice that somebody would 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:54.680 make Oftentimes they choose people in their lives, friends or mates, partners, 1:06:55.000 --> 1:07:00.360 who represent or act like, or remind them of their 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:03.760 more difficult family member, whoever it was, usually a parent, 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:08.720 but not always, and so they can replicate and maybe 1:07:08.800 --> 1:07:11.440 come out on the top end, the winning end of 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:14.000 that dynamic. So let's say you're a kid who could 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:16.360 never get mom or dad to really pay attention to you. 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:18.720 You were an escapegoat kid. Nobody paid attention to you. 1:07:18.800 --> 1:07:19.320 They didn't. 1:07:19.560 --> 1:07:21.360 They blamed you for all the bad. 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:24.160 Stuff, paid no attention to the good stuff. You marry 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:29.640 someone who treats you that same way, hoping that not consciously, 1:07:29.720 --> 1:07:32.560 this is subconsciously hoping that you can come out on 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:35.200 the winning end, that they will value you, they will 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:35.720 love you. 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:39.560 You can feel it that way, and it usually. 1:07:39.320 --> 1:07:42.400 Doesn't doesn't work out there, all right, it usually doesn't work. 1:07:42.480 --> 1:07:44.000 Maybe you pick something up here and you know you 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:45.919 can apply it to yourself to some degree. She's Julie. 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:48.280 Hat is your license of mental health therapist. You can 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:51.200 get aholder and hey Julie at the letter BB Connected 1:07:51.240 --> 1:07:54.320 doc Care here in Cincinnati, and it's mental health Monday 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:57.280 with Julie Lights Again. I have a great week, appreciate it. 1:07:57.720 --> 1:07:58.600 Thank you boyd bye. 1:07:58.720 --> 1:07:59.080 Yeah. 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:00.200 I got to get a news up there. Did in 1:08:00.280 --> 1:08:03.560 here momentarily on the snowy Monday traffic concerns all over 1:08:03.600 --> 1:08:05.880 the place as well. Chuck will get you updated there. 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:08.760 It's a Scott Sloan show on seven hundred WWT. 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:12.120 You want to be an American floony. 1:08:11.880 --> 1:08:14.960 Back on seven hundred W wellw on this snowy Monday morning. 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:18.439 Speak of the house Larry Householder, Remember that guy serving 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:20.880 twenty years in the federal pen for his role in 1:08:20.920 --> 1:08:24.120 the sixty million dollar racketeering in bribery scheme. Remember he 1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:28.759 got money for supporting nuclear power plant ballots, coal power plants. 1:08:29.479 --> 1:08:32.240 That is the largest public corruption scandal in this history 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:34.400 of the Buckeye State and the former state head of 1:08:34.400 --> 1:08:37.160 the GOP also in prison. Another conspirator killed himself. Two 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:40.360 more awaiting trial. But there are some other charges out there, 1:08:40.439 --> 1:08:43.200 and as such, Ohio Secretary of State Franklin Rose criticized 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:45.960 the Ohio Elections Commission for refusing to act on nearly 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:49.599 eighty criminal campaign compliance related to this whole corruption scandal, 1:08:49.600 --> 1:08:52.280 and he joins the show now to discuss mister Secretary. 1:08:52.280 --> 1:08:53.040 Good morning, how are. 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:55.080 You, hey, good morning. 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:58.400 Well, and this is probably why the Ohio General Assembly 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:01.360 has decided to get rid of the Ohio Election Commission 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:03.200 as of the end of this year and replace it 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:05.360 with something far better. But we can talk about. 1:09:05.160 --> 1:09:07.519 That too, all right, Well, let's play the timeline out 1:09:07.560 --> 1:09:09.559 on this thing here, because it's it's pretty disturbing. 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:13.439 Yeah, So what happened was that, you know, when the 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:17.639 initial charges were filed by the FBI, we were asked 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:22.439 by the state and local authorities to get our complaint 1:09:22.479 --> 1:09:25.640 filed with the Ohio Elections Commission because they have to 1:09:26.160 --> 1:09:29.200 start things there if they're going to continue the process 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:32.320 into the you know, into the courts. And so we 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:35.280 went through the federal indictment. We found, well, these are 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:37.920 federal crimes, but here are some state crimes that also 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:40.439 occurred from the same evidence that have been gathered, and 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:43.200 we filed gosh, I think it was well over one 1:09:43.280 --> 1:09:47.400 hundred complaints with the Ohio Elections Commission, which is you know, 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:50.519 how the process begins. The problem is that was over 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:53.639 five years ago, and they've continued to sit on these. 1:09:54.439 --> 1:09:56.200 You know, at one point they said, well, we got 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:58.439 to wait until the federal trial was over. Well, okay, 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:00.120 that was over a couple of years ago, So why 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.760 didn't they keep moving? And the problem is also that 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.920 there's a thing called statute of limitations, which basically means 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:08.679 if the government doesn't act within a period of time, 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:12.080 then you know, you're off the hook. And again, these 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:16.240 aren't the necessarily the kind of things that put him 1:10:16.240 --> 1:10:19.760 in jail, but they are things like missing campaign finance deadlines, 1:10:19.880 --> 1:10:23.360 failure to disclose certain things. They are in fact crimes 1:10:23.400 --> 1:10:26.240 and they should in fact be prosecuted under Ohio's election laws. 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:29.000 Yeah, and there's a lot to unpacked there with a 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:31.040 lot most people don't really pay attention to election law, 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:35.599 but yeah, it's obviously it's important. And I don't know, 1:10:36.479 --> 1:10:38.680 you know, you, as the Secretary of State, do you 1:10:38.720 --> 1:10:41.519 have other tools or authority to escalate this matter once 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.679 you saw that they were going to procrastinate and hold 1:10:43.720 --> 1:10:46.320 us up. I mean, why wait till the five year 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:47.760 statute limitations is over? 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:52.280 Yeah? No, not really, it's it's in the authority of 1:10:52.280 --> 1:10:54.679 the Ohio Elections Commission once we file it there. Other 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:56.920 than you know, making noise about it, and we have 1:10:57.040 --> 1:11:00.360 been doing that, but it's really up to them Act, 1:11:00.720 --> 1:11:02.599 and that again is one of the things that's going 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:05.479 to be fixed with the creation of the new Ohio 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:09.680 Election Integrity Commission, which begins on January first, where we 1:11:09.720 --> 1:11:12.920 will have the ability, uh to work through that body 1:11:13.000 --> 1:11:16.680 to bring fines, for example, for a clear violation like 1:11:16.760 --> 1:11:19.720 failing to file a campaign finance report or failing to 1:11:19.720 --> 1:11:23.120 disclose certain things, and and so that will will help. 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:26.040 But again, it feels like the Ohio Elections Commission is 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:29.640 just punting this and and and essentially they know that 1:11:29.680 --> 1:11:32.960 we'll have the responsibility of running the Ohio Elections Integrity 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:35.240 Commission starting in January, and they just don't want to 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:37.480 deal with it, so they're punting it to us. 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:40.880 The makeup of the commission, I believe it. It's three Republicans, 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:42.160 three Democrats, one independent. 1:11:43.640 --> 1:11:45.479 Yeah, I think that's how it's it's set up. And 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:48.920 h you know, most of these too, aren't really a 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:51.559 partisan thing. It's did the you know, did the person 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:53.760 in question violate the law? And if you look at 1:11:54.080 --> 1:11:56.439 a lot of these, are you know, somebody again didn't 1:11:56.439 --> 1:11:59.439 file a campaign finance report, or they're not disclosing things 1:11:59.439 --> 1:12:02.280 they're supposed to disclose, or things like not putting a 1:12:02.320 --> 1:12:06.040 disclaimer on their advertisements, those kind of things, pretty simple stuff. 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:08.080 Did you or did you not violate the law? 1:12:08.280 --> 1:12:11.640 Okay, but Franklin Rose, the criminel prosecution windows closed? What 1:12:12.680 --> 1:12:13.599 accountabilities left? 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:13.760 Then? 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.839 If the statute of libitations are have hit and expired, 1:12:16.880 --> 1:12:18.360 then what's the point. 1:12:19.880 --> 1:12:22.559 Not in all cases, in some of the some of 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:23.719 the complaints it has. 1:12:23.760 --> 1:12:25.240 In some of the complaints. 1:12:24.840 --> 1:12:27.800 That has not, and you know, in the ones where 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:29.720 it has, they should just go ahead and dismiss it, 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:32.000 of course, and on the ones where it hasn't, they. 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:32.679 Should take action. 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:34.920 And again, what we're talking about here in most cases 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:38.960 is fines against the committee. But when a law is 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:41.200 not enforced, it's not a law, it's a mere suggestion. 1:12:41.360 --> 1:12:43.080 And we want to make sure that people know in 1:12:43.120 --> 1:12:45.840 Ohio that when you break the law, it's going to 1:12:45.840 --> 1:12:46.400 be enforced. 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:48.080 It's a de turn effect as well. 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:51.360 People should know that we take election law violations seriously 1:12:52.000 --> 1:12:54.479 and that if you mess around, you'll find out. 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:57.240 He's Secretary of State Franklin Rose in the show this 1:12:57.320 --> 1:13:02.160 morning and making some substant allegations against the Election Commission 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:04.960 of Ohio that they are negligent and acting one hundred 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:08.599 and eighty criminal complaints at violent election law that simply 1:13:08.680 --> 1:13:12.040 have expired because the statute of limitations only five years. 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:13.679 They've done nothing on what's the motive? 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:19.360 Oh, I think just good old fashioned procrastination. I honestly, 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:22.400 I don't think there's anything more nefarious than that. I 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:25.400 think they don't want to deal with this because it's difficult. 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:29.080 There's a particular problem with the guy who's the executive 1:13:29.120 --> 1:13:33.640 director there, who's a sort of well known footdragger, and 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:36.120 the rest of the commission tends to take their cues 1:13:36.160 --> 1:13:39.120 from the director because the director is the full time 1:13:39.240 --> 1:13:42.720 staff expert who's on duty sort of, you know, five 1:13:42.800 --> 1:13:44.880 days a week there at the Elections Commission, and so 1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:49.599 the part time commission members that are ultimately responsible though, 1:13:49.760 --> 1:13:51.920 they're the ones that just sort of end up taking 1:13:51.960 --> 1:13:53.400 cues often from the director. 1:13:53.439 --> 1:13:54.960 And the director's been dragging his feet on this. 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:57.720 He makes the excuse that they needed to hold off 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:00.680 till the federal trial was done, and that happened a 1:14:00.720 --> 1:14:04.519 while ago, and I don't know why they haven't acted yet. 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:07.719 What's the next step here? It's blowing up the election Commission. 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:09.120 They're done at the end of the year, but what's 1:14:09.120 --> 1:14:10.000 the next step after that? 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:15.519 Then, Well, starting January first, my office takes responsibility for 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:19.880 what's called the Ohio Election Integrity Commission. It's a reconstituted 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:22.280 form of the Ohio Elections Commission. It's going to be 1:14:22.360 --> 1:14:24.800 a much more responsible body, I can assure you, though, 1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:28.439 because we plan to keep things moving quickly through the process. 1:14:28.520 --> 1:14:31.280 We've planned to clear the backlog that exists right now, 1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:35.320 and we've planned to work on resolving the over one 1:14:35.400 --> 1:14:39.640 hundred million dollars in unpaid fines. I think about that, 1:14:39.720 --> 1:14:43.080 over one hundred million dollars of fines that have been 1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:46.599 accrued over the last gosh twenty years that nobody's paying, 1:14:47.080 --> 1:14:49.880 and let's be honest, probably sixty seventy percent of those 1:14:49.880 --> 1:14:52.920 at this point are uncollectable because the entities in question 1:14:53.000 --> 1:14:55.719 are defunct and people have died and moved away, whatever else. 1:14:55.920 --> 1:14:58.000 But that still leaves a large portion of those that 1:14:58.040 --> 1:15:00.439 are collectible, and we need to take enforcem an action 1:15:00.560 --> 1:15:02.400 to get those collected. So there's a whole lot of 1:15:02.479 --> 1:15:04.600 things that we need to do to tighten up the 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:07.280 work of the Ohio Elections Commission, and that's why we 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.400 completely scrapped it and we're revamping it in a whole 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:12.040 new thing starting January first. 1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:14.040 Has a governor spoke a lot about this or anyone 1:15:14.040 --> 1:15:17.160 from the General Assembly, Well. 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.559 The General Assembly are the ones that passed the bill 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:22.000 to get rid of the Ohio election and take or 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:25.360 Ohio Election Commission rather, And so yeah, they spoke out 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:28.519 in that sense. The Attorney General also spoke out about 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:31.320 this in a letter that he sent to the OEC 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:34.800 this week or last week rather, because he had been 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:39.320 part of the effort to compile these complaints against. 1:15:38.960 --> 1:15:40.160 The householder at all. 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:43.800 And so yeah, pretty much everybody that's looked at this 1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:45.880 is how is it possible that these guys have not 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:48.719 acted in five years of time just sitting on. 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:50.800 This, and yet it's not the biggest stories it should be. 1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:53.519 I don't think it is. 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:56.240 And again that's why I was glad that you called 1:15:56.280 --> 1:15:58.840 me up protected me over the last couple of days 1:15:58.840 --> 1:16:00.240 and said, hey, would you come on the show talk 1:16:00.280 --> 1:16:02.639 about it, because it is something people need to know about. Again, 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:08.000 it's about effective enforcement of the law. Yeah, householders in prison. 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:10.280 He's going to be for a long time. Several of 1:16:10.280 --> 1:16:13.320 the other folks involved have paid the penalty that they 1:16:13.360 --> 1:16:16.160 need to pay. But this is about making sure that 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:19.639 when laws are violated that there are penalties for doing that. 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:22.599 And yet maybe not as serious as the federal charges 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:26.040 that he faced and is now in prison for, but 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:30.759 still serious matters again failure to disclose, failure to file 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:35.200 campaign finance reports, all of the campaign finance shenanigans that 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:38.519 he was engaged in. These are the charges for that, 1:16:38.720 --> 1:16:40.160 and again there need to be penalties. 1:16:40.280 --> 1:16:43.120 Yeah, the federal crimes of course of embezzlement and alike, 1:16:43.160 --> 1:16:44.880 people are paying a price. That utlist goes to the 1:16:44.920 --> 1:16:46.800 trial of that, and we know that First Energy paid 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.880 substantial fines as well to make that go away. But 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:52.599 you know, there's the campaign finance law nuance that you're 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:55.320 talking about here, and that goes unchecked. That just gives 1:16:55.360 --> 1:16:59.439 license for other elected officials or those people seeking office 1:16:59.520 --> 1:17:01.000 to do whatever all they want if we're not going 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:01.880 to enforce the laws. 1:17:03.120 --> 1:17:04.639 And that's the problem. Again. 1:17:04.760 --> 1:17:07.840 We believe in transparency and disclosure. It's kind of a 1:17:07.880 --> 1:17:11.719 foundational thing as it relates to campaigns. The public wants 1:17:11.760 --> 1:17:14.120 to know how are you raising money for your campaign 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:17.280 and on what are you spending it? Those are things 1:17:17.280 --> 1:17:20.200 that you know my office is responsible for However, the 1:17:20.240 --> 1:17:24.400 Election Commission is responsible for enforcing it. And therein lies 1:17:24.439 --> 1:17:27.000 the problem. And that's why once we we created the 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:30.680 new Election Integrity Commission that starts January first, we're going 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:32.439 to have much more of what in the military we 1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:35.479 called unity of command, where we can focus on these matters, 1:17:35.560 --> 1:17:37.680 do the investigations that we need to do, levy the 1:17:37.720 --> 1:17:39.960 fines that need to be levied, and then of course 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:42.240 if somebody doesn't like that, they always have the appeal 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:44.519 to go into the court system. Really, what this all 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:48.679 is is the intermediary step before it goes into into 1:17:48.680 --> 1:17:51.000 the court system. But again, we should be able to 1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:52.800 resolve a lot of these things. Hey, you didn't pay 1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:57.559 your or, you didn't disclose your campaign spending, you didn't 1:17:57.920 --> 1:18:00.760 designate a treasure before you started raising money, you didn't 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.479 put a disclaimer on your on your television ads. 1:18:03.280 --> 1:18:03.800 What have you. 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:05.600 We should be able to resolve a lot of that 1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:07.360 stuff without it going to the course. 1:18:07.400 --> 1:18:08.320 And that's the whole point of this. 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:10.840 Explain how how you think that's not just more than 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:13.960 sound like we're just changing one element of bureaucracy out 1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:16.719 for another. Because you know, the largest it's the largest 1:18:16.720 --> 1:18:18.519 corruption scheme in the history of Ohio and it's been 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:21.000 going on for years. The statute of limitations expired on 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:23.320 what you're talking about, and that shows suggests to me 1:18:23.400 --> 1:18:27.400 there's problems beyond just one director or a panelist or 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:30.960 whatever you call the commission. How does this change this? 1:18:32.479 --> 1:18:35.559 You know, accountability matters, and this is why we have 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:39.160 a system of government where we elect people and then 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:41.720 hold them accountable to do a job. And if they 1:18:41.760 --> 1:18:44.360 want to get re elected or you know, continue on 1:18:44.400 --> 1:18:46.719 in public service, they have to do a good job, right, Okay, 1:18:46.720 --> 1:18:48.240 basic civics. 1:18:47.880 --> 1:18:48.800 One O one kind of thing. 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.280 The problem with some of these state commissions is that 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:55.160 they don't exist in a way that is transparent or public. 1:18:55.320 --> 1:18:58.160 Most people didn't know that the Ohio Election Commission existed 1:18:58.240 --> 1:19:00.519 unless you were at some point of candidate for public 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:04.160 office yourself. By rolling it into the Secretary of State's office, 1:19:04.160 --> 1:19:06.040 which is the way it is in most other states. 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:09.000 And this is really putting it putting us in line 1:19:09.040 --> 1:19:11.680 with the majority of other states. You've got an accountable 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:14.439 public official, somebody that has to stand in front of 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:17.479 the public and answer for the work they do. That 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:20.080 is going to be running this, but you also have 1:19:20.240 --> 1:19:24.880 that bipartisan body that will be actually adjudicated the decisions, 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:28.040 and so it's a good model. The secretary of State's 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:31.080 office will house it as far as the administrative work 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:34.920 and keeping the trains running on time. But before a 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:37.200 fine can be levied, it's got to go in front 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:40.120 of the Commission for a vote. And again that's a 1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:42.840 bipartisan body that'll have to make those decisions. So you've 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:45.120 got the due process that needs to be there, but 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:48.200 you've also got the accountability of putting it within the 1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:51.080 Secretary of State's office. And again, anybody that sits in 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:53.839 this seat should be held accountable by the voters. 1:19:53.840 --> 1:19:54.719 If they don't do it. 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:56.880 There's just another hearing, and I think they kick the 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.559 can down the road for the unseen time over number 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:01.919 of years. You would have a conversation with the director 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:04.760 or the chair. What would there excuse be about all 1:20:04.800 --> 1:20:08.160 this or any member of the committee for them. 1:20:08.479 --> 1:20:11.879 Yeah that the At first it was that the federal 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:15.160 trial had not concluded. Okay, I guess that's fine. I 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:19.479 don't think no, I guess on a parallel basis. But 1:20:19.960 --> 1:20:22.479 then it was, well, he hasn't exhausted all of his appeals. Well, 1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:25.200 for heaven's sakes, appeals can go on endlessly, as you know, 1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:28.840 and so waiting for there to be some end of 1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:30.960 the appeals, like eventually it goes all the way to 1:20:31.000 --> 1:20:34.960 the Supreme Court or something is a fool's errand and 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:38.920 so once the once the federal trial was done, and 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:42.400 you know, they should have taken action. But again, this 1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:44.479 is a group that's been expert at kicking the can 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:47.639 down the road and kind of pointing the finger somebody 1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:51.160 else's problem and what have you. That ends effective January person. 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:53.519 All right, So the one hundred and eighty complaints that 1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.000 you foiled in the last five years. Now the statute limitations, 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:59.559 is this just Householder's office or how many lawmakers and 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:01.080 are caught. 1:21:00.920 --> 1:21:01.360 Up in us? 1:21:03.240 --> 1:21:05.840 No, I mean it lays out who the person is 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:09.000 that we're complaining against. Most of them were Larry Householder 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:12.000 because he's the one responsible for his committee. And again 1:21:12.120 --> 1:21:16.599 it's uh, it goes through you know, everything from failure 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:21.000 to uh disclosed, to failure to designate a treasure to 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:23.880 not putting the proper disclaimer on things, to misuse of 1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:27.479 funds when you raise campaign dollars. You're supposed to use 1:21:27.560 --> 1:21:31.080 them for your campaign, right, not for other things, right, 1:21:31.120 --> 1:21:35.000 And so you know all over the list of them. Yeah, exactly, 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:37.559 exactly so, And again you can see all that stuffy 1:21:37.720 --> 1:21:40.720 by going to the Ohio Election Commission website where they 1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:44.479 posted our complaint that we filed over five years ago. 1:21:44.800 --> 1:21:47.360 Yeah, and there and there it's it's well, they'll disbanded 1:21:47.400 --> 1:21:48.320 and started all over. 1:21:48.360 --> 1:21:48.719 In general. 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:52.200 Unfortunately, you are any of these charges that do they 1:21:52.240 --> 1:21:55.520 all fit in that five year time frame for statute limitations? 1:21:55.520 --> 1:21:58.120 Are there ones we've discovered since and have longer or 1:21:58.439 --> 1:21:59.800 they simply all expired at this point. 1:22:00.720 --> 1:22:02.720 Yeah, that's a question for a lawyer, and I'm not 1:22:02.800 --> 1:22:05.640 one to be very honest, but I do know that 1:22:05.640 --> 1:22:08.240 there are different statutes of limitations and so some have 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:11.639 run out, some have not at this point. But but again, 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:14.320 time is of the essence to get the to get 1:22:14.320 --> 1:22:16.040 the decks cleared on this. And again I think that 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:18.560 the Ohio Elections Commission has used this as Hey, we 1:22:18.920 --> 1:22:22.439 fold up our tent starting January first, and so we're 1:22:22.439 --> 1:22:25.679 gonna pump this hot potato off to the next guys. Well, 1:22:25.760 --> 1:22:29.439 all right, once it's once it's our responsibility. We're gonna 1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:32.480 take it very seriously and move with alacrity. 1:22:32.880 --> 1:22:35.400 Was this the impetus to get rid of this commission? 1:22:37.280 --> 1:22:41.879 No, not, not, not solely. It was hundreds of things 1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:46.240 over the years, and you know, from just not moving 1:22:46.320 --> 1:22:51.240 fast enough, to being in some cases weaponized for for 1:22:51.320 --> 1:22:57.360 people playing politics. In other cases just sort of disparate treatment. 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:59.479 One person gets a slap on the wrist and the 1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:02.280 other one gets the books thrown at them. There's been 1:23:02.280 --> 1:23:04.240 a whole variety of place. But the biggest thing is 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:07.799 failure to collect their fines. Right again, remember this happened 1:23:07.840 --> 1:23:10.680 in the state budget, and the state budget is what 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:14.320 eliminated this and replaced it with the new Election Integrity Commission. 1:23:14.800 --> 1:23:17.320 And so when the state Legislature was looking at, okay, 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:21.639 the Election Commission needs money to operate this biennium, why 1:23:21.640 --> 1:23:24.559 don't they collect their fines because there again is nearly 1:23:24.600 --> 1:23:27.400 one hundred million dollars in outstanding five It's just it 1:23:27.479 --> 1:23:31.320 shows how ineffective they are, and and it's just one 1:23:31.400 --> 1:23:33.599 of the many examples for why we needed to get 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:34.000 rid of it. 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:37.040 All right, he is Frank LaRose on the show Secretary 1:23:37.040 --> 1:23:38.120 of State what's next for you? 1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:46.080 I'm heading to a Veteran's Day ceremony. Do you mean politically, Yeah, 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:47.040 you know, I'm. 1:23:46.880 --> 1:23:49.280 Going to go probably launch after the show, but that's 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:53.160 what politically now, I'm I. 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:56.000 Am running for Auditor of State of Ohio. I'm genuinely 1:23:56.040 --> 1:23:58.800 excited about it. It's a platform that a lot of 1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:01.240 people don't think about the Auditor Office. I get that, 1:24:01.560 --> 1:24:03.920 but it is a platform to do great things for Ohio. 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:07.320 It's the top watchdog for public corruptions. Sounds familiar, Yeah, 1:24:07.720 --> 1:24:11.400 any local or state officials that are lining their own pockets, 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:14.200 that's the Auditor's job to catch them and make sure 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:17.479 they face justice. But it's also Ohio Doge. It was, 1:24:17.640 --> 1:24:20.959 you know, it's the efficiency Office before there was Doge 1:24:21.560 --> 1:24:24.599 and maybe a slightly different approach, but you know, it's 1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:28.960 the office that's responsible for making sure that government runs efficiently. 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:32.280 And news flash, government doesn't always run efficiently, so there's 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:33.760 a lot of work that needs to be done there. 1:24:33.840 --> 1:24:37.000 Yeah, Ohio needs Doze desperately because there's a lot of 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:38.800 fat on the bone and a lot of areas, so 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:41.320 maybe you can clean that up. All right, Franklin Ross, 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:42.280 thanks so much. For jo on the show. 1:24:42.320 --> 1:24:44.400 Good luck with that, thank you, sir. 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:47.559 Take care be well, yeah, I mean clearly he's running 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:50.680 for auditor and wants to come atcross as a reformist 1:24:50.880 --> 1:24:53.840 and you fighting against the institution. It's good, plays well, 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:57.320 it plays well. But yeah, five years and now after 1:24:57.320 --> 1:25:00.360 the limitations are like, well, we can't do any about 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:03.439 it because it expired, and I didn't ere much from 1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:06.719 the governor the General Assembly on this one. Frank Lrose 1:25:06.760 --> 1:25:09.320 bringing up after the fact. But you know, that's frustrating 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:14.839 because if you're now this is it's obviously a bipartisan committee, 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:17.000 pretty right down the middle, you know, three three and one. 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:21.120 But at the same time, as much as we complain 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:24.160 about and Republicans love to talk about law and order, 1:25:24.720 --> 1:25:26.880 this seems like an easy one, and yet it goes 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.760 by the wayside, and it's frustrating. Right, our government not 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:32.960 working for us now me and you, hell, we get 1:25:32.960 --> 1:25:35.000 the book thrown ass, we get to you. This is 1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:37.120 like I don't know them going now, We're not going 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:38.960 to write speeding tickets anywhere I sent to These are 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:42.960 speeding tickets for the political process. Then those laws exist 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:44.679 for a reason, either you enforce them or you don't. 1:25:44.680 --> 1:25:46.559 I don't know why you could get away with turning 1:25:46.600 --> 1:25:49.040 the blind eye towards it, quite honestly, and this is 1:25:49.080 --> 1:25:52.599 why approval for all lawmakers from the top on down 1:25:52.920 --> 1:25:54.800 are at an all time low. Scott's Loan Show seven 1:25:54.880 --> 1:25:58.559 hundred WT Wealth FC Cincinnati advancing in the playoffs in 1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:00.320 front of a capacity to crowd A team than well 1:26:00.360 --> 1:26:02.760 Saturday night. What a fun game? What's not there? We 1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:06.040 watched it home and we're cheering on the Orange and Blue. 1:26:06.040 --> 1:26:08.200 They beat Columbus to one in the deciding game thro 1:26:08.200 --> 1:26:10.519 around Brenner's goal in the final minutes of regulation. Here's 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:11.720 a call from Tommy G. 1:26:11.960 --> 1:26:13.040 Who could got to the ball? 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:16.000 Sends it off for Japori knocks it down. Try to 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:19.160 find Geedy Kitty, try to leave it now. It comes 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:20.759 to printer a shot Man. 1:26:20.680 --> 1:26:25.360 At y'all, printer a Price, Jersey is off. 1:26:25.760 --> 1:26:31.639 Cincinnati leads to the one. 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:35.920 Let's Go. That is the latest chapter of Hell Israel. 1:26:35.960 --> 1:26:37.240 It goes to the five Pine to three and on 1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:40.320 to host Inter Miami and Lionel Messi Laonel Messi. In 1:26:40.360 --> 1:26:43.760 two weeks, Tommy Galarder is on the show. Tommy G 1:26:43.960 --> 1:26:47.000 the voice of FC Cincinnati. Who you just heard? I 1:26:47.040 --> 1:26:49.799 love the Cameron, the booth, you're hugging your broadcast partner. 1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:52.080 It was such an ex I watched it at home 1:26:52.120 --> 1:26:54.080 with my wife and we were screaming. It was so exciting, 1:26:55.120 --> 1:26:57.200 And I would argue it's the best sports product in 1:26:57.240 --> 1:27:00.000 Cincinnati right now, save maybe the UC Bearcat. 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:00.519 Yeah. 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:02.439 I think it's a fair argument. How you doing good 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:05.760 to be here with you, happy to chat steel. My 1:27:05.840 --> 1:27:09.960 heart pumping a little bit after that one on Saturday night, 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:13.200 and I think you know, if you saw reactions of 1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:15.400 people in their living room, if you saw Pete, reactions 1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:17.760 of people in the bailey, anywhere in the stadium, the 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:22.240 coach is Kevin and myself in the booth, probably staff 1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:26.639 throughout the building wherever they're stationed, those reactions are probably 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:30.000 indicative of kind of two years of emotions building up, 1:27:30.280 --> 1:27:32.880 going all the way back to that conference final in 1:27:32.880 --> 1:27:36.040 which Columbus came back to win and broke. 1:27:35.840 --> 1:27:38.200 The hearts of everybody here in the Queen City. 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:41.280 So listen, you're the two seeds. You're supposed to win 1:27:41.320 --> 1:27:44.200 the series, but it wasn't easy. That Columbus team way 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:46.599 better than the seventh seed or what you would expect. 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:50.440 We knew it was gonna be one heck of a battle. 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:53.120 And in the end, Thatchcontaty proved to be the better 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:56.559 team and get it, I think in really impressive fashion 1:27:57.400 --> 1:27:59.919 with the way that they were able to come from behind. 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:01.200 And in the second half. 1:28:01.760 --> 1:28:04.360 Yeah, you know, the first ten minutes I'm watching and 1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:07.200 it seemed like the fields lopside in favor of Columbus, 1:28:07.200 --> 1:28:09.639 saying zero's year. At the half, it's a nil nil. 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:14.320 And when FC when Columbus scored, I actually cheered and 1:28:14.320 --> 1:28:16.240 my wife's look at me, you know that's not Cincinnati. No, 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:18.840 Because the way they were playing, it seemed to me 1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:23.679 that you needed Columbus to do something to get them rally, 1:28:23.800 --> 1:28:25.400 to make them feel like they're backs against the wall, 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:27.400 and they did, because they tied it up about four 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:27.920 minutes later. 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:31.479 Yeah, backs, we're squarely against the wall. 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:33.360 And I think a lot of hard stones, a lot 1:28:33.360 --> 1:28:38.679 of stomachs turned inside out in that moment, being down 1:28:38.720 --> 1:28:41.680 at home and look at ce Cincinnati had lost their 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:44.200 last seven games the seas In. 1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:46.599 When conceding the first goal. 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:49.640 The great Patrick O'Leary and the Comics Department of put 1:28:49.640 --> 1:28:51.519 the set out afterwards. I think it's only the fourth 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:54.400 time since the club joined Major League doctor that they've 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:57.360 conceded the first goal in the second half and won 1:28:57.400 --> 1:29:00.040 a game. So think about that. All the odds in 1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:03.479 the world stacked against him. But moments later it literally, yeah, 1:29:03.680 --> 1:29:06.320 four minutes, but probably two minutes of game time because 1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:09.400 they looked at that Columbus go for a long time. 1:29:09.479 --> 1:29:13.000 Because for my money, I'm pretty sure Columbus was offside 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.719 Andre Herrera making that run up the right time, because 1:29:15.760 --> 1:29:18.400 he was right in front of us, literally right in 1:29:18.400 --> 1:29:20.160 front of our booth, and I was pretty sure he's 1:29:20.160 --> 1:29:22.439 off that. But listen and Patt Newton made a point 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.120 afterwards like there's nothing. 1:29:23.920 --> 1:29:24.320 You could do. 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:26.519 If the restaurant has change it, the vaar is not 1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:27.240 going to step in. 1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:28.479 Then you got to play. 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:31.519 And FC Cincinnati didn't mope around, they didn't feel start 1:29:31.560 --> 1:29:34.480 for themselves. They got right back to it. Renner equalizes 1:29:34.560 --> 1:29:36.760 the game. Then we come to find out that that 1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:39.240 Pat Nowton had called Brenner over and told him he 1:29:39.280 --> 1:29:41.160 was coming out of the game, and Brenner begged him, 1:29:41.479 --> 1:29:42.439 you know, let me stay in. 1:29:42.520 --> 1:29:45.280 I got another one in me, And boy did he ever. 1:29:45.439 --> 1:29:46.720 He sure did, He sure did. 1:29:46.920 --> 1:29:47.120 Yeah. 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:49.600 It just felt to me like FC needed something to 1:29:49.640 --> 1:29:51.639 get him going at home like that and back against 1:29:51.640 --> 1:29:53.360 the wall. I was like, you know, after they scored, 1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.240 my good because you know, that's the wake up call 1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:57.599 they needed otherwise you lose. And sure enough they answered, 1:29:57.840 --> 1:30:00.840 and then of course in the waning minutes of regulation 1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:03.639 they scored the go ahead goal and that was, by 1:30:03.680 --> 1:30:07.320 the way, minutes stopage time. Tommy explain how that is 1:30:07.880 --> 1:30:09.440 very uncommon. 1:30:10.920 --> 1:30:12.920 Somebody has a faulty stopwatch as. 1:30:12.840 --> 1:30:16.679 Far as I'm concerned, because when that number went up, 1:30:17.000 --> 1:30:19.360 like what, I didn't show this on the boot camp, 1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:21.080 but Kevin and I just looked at each other like 1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:24.080 what do you mean nine minutes to stop at time? 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:28.559 They got agregious and yeah, I don't know. I don't 1:30:28.560 --> 1:30:30.880 know where he got it from because there was a 1:30:30.880 --> 1:30:35.320 couple of little injuries. I mean there was They never 1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:39.439 went to the monitor, so I don't know how they possibly. 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:42.240 You know, there wasn't a lot of bookings. I don't 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:45.280 know where he got nine minutes from, but boy he did, 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:48.720 and and those nine minutes fell like nine hours. There 1:30:48.760 --> 1:30:51.760 really was as a second kicked off to get to 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:54.719 that full time whistle because obviously Columbus, with their life 1:30:54.720 --> 1:30:58.839 on the line, they're throwing everything at it, creating chances. 1:30:58.920 --> 1:31:01.400 Roman had to make, you know, one big stave in there. 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:03.640 So yeah, it was a little bit of a chaotic 1:31:04.400 --> 1:31:05.320 stretch there. 1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:07.839 And that nine minutes was was shocking. 1:31:08.120 --> 1:31:08.360 Yeah. 1:31:08.439 --> 1:31:10.280 And if you're new to soccer, so how it works. 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:13.120 The clock runs and then they dictate, Okay, if someone 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:15.080 goes down with an injury, there's a stoppage, I add 1:31:15.120 --> 1:31:16.960 all those minutes up and then put it at the end. 1:31:17.200 --> 1:31:19.360 And it's always a running clock. And you know, I've 1:31:19.400 --> 1:31:21.799 watched a number of well most of the games this season, 1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:23.720 and you can attest to this, Tommy. You know, it's 1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:27.000 like sometimes you know, two minutes maybe a four or five. 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:29.000 Nine is like, I don't know if I've seen. 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:29.360 That this year. 1:31:30.520 --> 1:31:33.360 Yeah, I mean I think we had a game at 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:35.919 some point that was ten or eleven minutes maybe. 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:40.320 But there was a reason. You know, there's a big injury. 1:31:40.040 --> 1:31:42.240 There's a lot of bookings, there's a video review that 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:46.280 takes three or four minutes. There was some science behind it. Man, 1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:48.639 it didn't feel like there was any times behind this one. 1:31:50.040 --> 1:31:54.840 It was it was shocking to say the least. And yeah, 1:31:54.880 --> 1:31:55.519 I mean we did. 1:31:56.080 --> 1:31:58.720 We were shaking our heads and holding our breaths for 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:00.760 nine minutes to get to the full time with. 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:03.639 Can you imagine had Columbus in that nine minute score 1:32:03.680 --> 1:32:05.519 to tied it up and it goes to a shoot. 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:08.120 I mean, we would say, okay, there's a curse. There's 1:32:08.160 --> 1:32:09.439 a curse, right, We're cursed. 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:13.040 Yeah, it would have been uh, I may have gotten 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:13.800 sick in the booth. 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:14.320 Who knows. 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:16.920 That would have been Uh, that'd have been a very 1:32:17.760 --> 1:32:20.160 very concerning situation. 1:32:20.400 --> 1:32:22.000 Fortunately we didn't have to talk about that. 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:25.800 Nothing but nothing but sun shine after that one, But man, 1:32:25.840 --> 1:32:28.439 it was Yeah. I think I think if I was 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:31.240 talking to a couple, a couple of family members of 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:33.639 the coaches afterwards, and they were talking about how many 1:32:33.760 --> 1:32:38.840 years they were thinking got shaved off their life across. 1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:40.880 That ninety minute plus nine affair. Yeah. 1:32:41.000 --> 1:32:43.920 Yeah, he is a Tommy g Voice of FC Cincinnati 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:46.320 on to face Lionel Messi in or Miami in two weeks. 1:32:46.520 --> 1:32:48.360 That seems like a long time between matches. 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:50.080 It is. 1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:54.400 Uh, it's the you know, unfortunate reality of the way 1:32:54.720 --> 1:32:58.080 the Major League Soccer schedules stacked up as it stands 1:32:58.160 --> 1:32:58.639 right now. 1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:01.120 You know, with the playoff break, we have. 1:33:01.120 --> 1:33:04.040 An international break here coming up next weekend, so a 1:33:04.040 --> 1:33:05.880 lot of guys are going out on international do So 1:33:05.880 --> 1:33:08.799 you can't imagine playing Miami and not having Miles Robinson, 1:33:08.880 --> 1:33:12.600 not av in Rominton Tonnel, not having teenager Davy you know, 1:33:12.720 --> 1:33:15.480 guys who have been called into the national teams regularly. 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:18.479 So you know that that's the concern. 1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:19.599 That's why I take the break. 1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:22.000 But you're right, you lose kind of some momentum because 1:33:22.320 --> 1:33:24.599 you're sitting here, all right, let's go, let's get after it. 1:33:24.640 --> 1:33:26.200 But they got a couple of bumps and bruises, so 1:33:26.280 --> 1:33:26.760 let's look at. 1:33:26.720 --> 1:33:27.360 The other side of it. 1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:28.960 We'll have a couple of guys who will be able 1:33:28.960 --> 1:33:33.360 to get some needed rest, get healthy or healthier for 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:34.200 that matchup. 1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:37.840 And and you look out the window right now, I 1:33:37.840 --> 1:33:38.240 hope the. 1:33:38.160 --> 1:33:40.560 Weather is just like this from that game when the 1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:41.240 boys from. 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:43.000 Miami show up. You know, that would be nice. 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:45.519 I hope, I hope there's some snow blowing through the 1:33:45.560 --> 1:33:48.080 stadium that it's you know, a solid twenty nine degrees 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:51.679 a kick off good and and those boys from Florida 1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:54.120 want anything but to get back on that warm bus. 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:58.479 My Bills got roughed up by the Dolphins yesterday. Yesterday 1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:01.880 I watched that game. You come from the cold weather 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:03.600 and you play where it's ninety degrees. It looks like 1:34:03.600 --> 1:34:06.240 they're running through quicksand for most of the game, and 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:08.120 they're good for one of those wins down there like that. 1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:10.599 Every couple of years against my Bills, it's the same thing. 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:12.280 And they come up when they come up north here 1:34:12.280 --> 1:34:15.280 to Cincinnati. You know, a couple of inches of the 1:34:15.280 --> 1:34:19.120 snow or cold weather. Good good. It's turned about his 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:21.960 fair play and you got Leonal Messi come out of town, 1:34:22.000 --> 1:34:23.960 which is going to bring the international media along. Is 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:26.000 always the cases, so a lot of pressure there. Would 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:28.480 you have rather had Nashville than Miami. 1:34:30.360 --> 1:34:34.120 You know, listening on paper, probably Nashville is an easier matchup. 1:34:34.200 --> 1:34:36.360 But and I think you know a team that f 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:38.720 Shecincentni has handled well this year, But come on, bring 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:41.000 it like you want to be the best in the league. 1:34:41.000 --> 1:34:42.920 You got to beat the best, and they're one of 1:34:42.960 --> 1:34:45.880 the best. Tied with fccon NADDY in the regular season 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:47.360 on points, but she Cincinni. 1:34:47.120 --> 1:34:48.720 Had more wins so that's why this game is here 1:34:48.720 --> 1:34:49.400 and not there. 1:34:50.360 --> 1:34:53.559 So I say, bring it on, like you want to 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:56.439 avenge out the lost that you contain lost, you know 1:34:56.520 --> 1:34:59.360 in the US Open Cup semifinals to Messy and Miami 1:34:59.439 --> 1:35:03.519 and twenty twenty three. So let's let's let's let's go. 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:05.840 You can avenge another you know lost. 1:35:05.560 --> 1:35:07.800 In that building and uh, you know. 1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:10.840 See what lies ahead of that, whether that's you know, 1:35:10.880 --> 1:35:12.600 Philadelphia and you got to go on the road or 1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:14.880 New York City at home in the conference final. But no, 1:35:15.000 --> 1:35:18.320 I think ter Stay has matched up well against Miami 1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:19.400 at t qu Stadium. 1:35:19.520 --> 1:35:20.240 So bringing on. 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:23.760 Yeah, and it's so fun to watch too, with especially 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:28.080 slaying that dragon and beating Columbus two to one on 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:30.200 Saturday to advance of this whole thing as well. You 1:35:30.240 --> 1:35:32.400 mentioned earlier Roman Celatano when he had well, I think 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:34.120 four saves in the game, but at least two of 1:35:34.120 --> 1:35:36.320 those things were absolutely massive. 1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:39.240 Yeah, yeah, big big moments. 1:35:39.320 --> 1:35:43.559 Uh you know, playoff playoff Roman is so impressive. He's 1:35:43.600 --> 1:35:48.040 been so good now, twelve playoff games in his career. Yeah, 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:52.200 he's just been really, really good and for a fourth 1:35:52.280 --> 1:35:55.200 year pro. That's all he knows is the playoffs and 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:58.280 he's crushed it. So that's great when you know you 1:35:58.280 --> 1:36:01.360 have a reliable goalkeeper in those situation, that's a big, 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:02.479 big bonus for the squad. 1:36:02.640 --> 1:36:06.639 You know, Brenner gets that one. And in his story 1:36:06.720 --> 1:36:09.400 is interesting too because he is with the team from 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:11.920 Saint Paulo and then he comes back and he's transferred 1:36:11.960 --> 1:36:15.160 back to an Italian club and he missed the twenty 1:36:15.160 --> 1:36:18.400 twenty three playoff run Columbus eliminating Cincinnati Eastern Conference, so 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:21.360 ials remember that as well. His his comeback story is amazing. 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:22.800 Yeah, it is. 1:36:23.640 --> 1:36:27.040 You know, he left under not so great terms, you 1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:30.200 know when he when he took off for Italy and Una, 1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:34.200 you know, early in the twenty twenty three season after 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:37.680 having a really good twenty twenty two season, And you know, 1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:39.559 if you had told me then that he was going 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:41.760 to be back in scoring a brace against Columbus to 1:36:41.800 --> 1:36:43.479 help that f she since any advance in the twenty 1:36:43.479 --> 1:36:46.040 twenty five playoffs, probably would have told you're crazy. But 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:49.960 you know, some fences were mended, and he certainly seems 1:36:50.080 --> 1:36:53.160 more mature and that there's been quite a bit of 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:54.920 growth in the two and a half years since he 1:36:54.960 --> 1:36:55.240 was here. 1:36:55.240 --> 1:36:57.519 Previously. So you know, I give a credit to Brenner. 1:36:57.560 --> 1:36:59.280 I give a credit I know Jeff Berding was big 1:36:59.320 --> 1:37:01.880 and building the break, Chris Albright and Pat Noonan for 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:03.720 being open minded to all right, we could bring this 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:06.280 guy in and it's gonna be different than when he left. 1:37:07.200 --> 1:37:09.599 And he's been so good in the short. 1:37:09.360 --> 1:37:11.920 Amount of time that he's been back with the team 1:37:12.000 --> 1:37:14.560 and obviously scored the two goals to help s C. 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:15.960 Cincinnati win on Saturday Night. 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:19.320 Yeah, the foresight of Chris Albrough to to do that 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:21.479 to get him back for the postseason was pretty smart. 1:37:22.680 --> 1:37:24.800 Yeah. I mean, listen, he knew that there were some 1:37:24.880 --> 1:37:27.480 holes in the roster and that they needed to be addressed. 1:37:27.920 --> 1:37:29.479 They brought in a couple of teching players. 1:37:29.520 --> 1:37:32.280 They brought in Sammy Geede who's been fantastic in the 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:34.320 defensive midfield, and they started all three. 1:37:34.200 --> 1:37:36.000 Games against Columbus. 1:37:36.080 --> 1:37:39.160 You know, they addressed their needs, brought it into at 1:37:39.160 --> 1:37:44.040 Schnik in additional outside talent who's looked amazing. So yeah, 1:37:44.080 --> 1:37:46.760 I give Chris a lot of credit. He nailed all 1:37:46.800 --> 1:37:50.800 of his summer targets and they's put this team in 1:37:50.880 --> 1:37:53.080 a position to succeed and compete for. 1:37:53.120 --> 1:37:54.720 MLS Cup, which is ultimate goal. 1:37:54.800 --> 1:37:57.280 Yeah, and he also obviously have to talk about your coach, 1:37:57.320 --> 1:38:00.200 Pat Noonan, but he pulled Yankey out of the game 1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:03.080 for Jabbari. At the end, I'm like, oh man, why 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:05.200 are you taking him out? That's the guy. And then 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:08.479 it turns out that was the absolute correct decision. 1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:10.360 Yeah, no, I was. 1:38:10.920 --> 1:38:12.880 Listen, it's not it's easy to sit in your seat 1:38:12.920 --> 1:38:16.400 on my seat and say, hey, are you sure. 1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:18.960 About this one, coach, But he's paid to make those 1:38:19.000 --> 1:38:22.880 decisions right, and listen, There'll be times in life that 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:25.360 that they're not executed perfectly, but this one was. 1:38:25.479 --> 1:38:27.040 He had a feeling right. 1:38:27.160 --> 1:38:29.360 And that's how you have to manage these games as 1:38:29.439 --> 1:38:32.640 the head coach, and you live and die with those decisions. 1:38:32.680 --> 1:38:35.120 But he felt like the fresh legs of au Jubori 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:38.559 would be helpful to size and we saw that in 1:38:38.760 --> 1:38:40.439 being able to pull that ball down in the box, 1:38:40.479 --> 1:38:42.559 which that ends up setting up that game winning goal. 1:38:42.720 --> 1:38:42.880 Yeah. 1:38:42.960 --> 1:38:43.160 Yeah. 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:45.479 And after the of course, the blowout in game two, 1:38:45.560 --> 1:38:49.000 setting up Game three as it were back in TQL Stadium, 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:52.040 storybook ending for the club as they advanced to inter 1:38:52.120 --> 1:38:55.599 Miami in two weeks after international tests. How far can 1:38:55.640 --> 1:38:56.800 this club go realistically? 1:38:57.960 --> 1:39:00.240 I mean they have all the pieces on him and 1:39:00.320 --> 1:39:03.200 just serious to win MLS Cup. I've been saying that 1:39:03.280 --> 1:39:06.040 for since August when they brought in. You don't address 1:39:06.080 --> 1:39:09.120 the needs like we just talked about, It's not gonna 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:11.280 be easy because look, you're gonna take on Messi and 1:39:11.320 --> 1:39:15.200 his best friends and enter Miami. But that game is here, Okay, 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:19.240 big advantage. Then you turn around and you potentially have 1:39:19.320 --> 1:39:22.000 to go to Philadelphia. You know, doptin Pointsville on the way. 1:39:22.000 --> 1:39:25.479 Otherwise that game would have been in Cincinnati. Philadelphia deserve 1:39:25.520 --> 1:39:28.160 a champ of the Supporter Shield, So if they win, 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:31.240 if they beat New York City, then that game will 1:39:31.240 --> 1:39:32.840 be on the road. But if it's New York City, 1:39:32.880 --> 1:39:36.200 it's here. But that's been a team that day, very 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:40.519 super golt time with this year. Listen, we'll worry about 1:39:40.560 --> 1:39:43.400 that when we get there. But they got to win 1:39:43.479 --> 1:39:45.880 three more to lift MLS Cup. And we know MLS 1:39:45.920 --> 1:39:49.280 Cup final would be n TQL Stadium, which is beautiful, 1:39:49.360 --> 1:39:51.000 So uh, that's. 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:54.000 Not far off. Is it gonna be easy? Absolutely not. 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:55.920 No matter who they play on the way out, it's 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:57.920 going to be a really really difficult challenge. 1:39:57.960 --> 1:40:00.559 But it's a playoffs, it should be a really difficult right. 1:40:00.640 --> 1:40:03.519 Yeah, it's not going to be a cakewalk, but there's 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:05.880 no question they have the coach, they have the staff, 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:08.360 and they have all the pieces. 1:40:08.080 --> 1:40:10.080 That they need to win MLS Cup. 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:12.640 Now it's a matter of going out and executing. 1:40:12.160 --> 1:40:14.400 It for three more games, all right, twenty first, I 1:40:14.439 --> 1:40:19.639 believe right before Christmas twenty twenty third, I've seen multiple 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:20.360 dates on this. 1:40:21.200 --> 1:40:25.439 No, No, MLS Cup is a Saturday, Okay, December Day, Yeah, 1:40:25.560 --> 1:40:26.960 that's Saturday, all right, gotcha. 1:40:27.800 --> 1:40:31.479 Well regardless, you'll be there. Tommy, Hey, thanks for jumping on. 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:34.760 Let's thanks for jumping on, brother, appreciate you enjoyed that 1:40:34.760 --> 1:40:37.160 call a lot. That is Tommy G. Voice of the 1:40:37.280 --> 1:40:41.080 FC Cincinnati Club advancing. Great call, almost as good as 1:40:41.080 --> 1:40:42.000 this cul