Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?
Speaker 2: I do not remember the last time we had significant
Speaker 2: snowfall this early in November, but we're dealing with that.
Speaker 2: We are here, Chuck Ingram is here. He's on his
Speaker 2: eighty fifth cup of coffee. And it's pretty to look
Speaker 2: at out the window, but not so much when you're
Speaker 2: sitting in traffic with a lot of people are this morning.
Speaker 2: Keep you updated The progress here is the storm should
Speaker 2: be done like around noon or so. We'll see in
Speaker 2: the meantime. I hope to keep you informed, entertained, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, thought drunk, as the case may be.
Speaker 2: This is interesting to start the day to day while
Speaker 2: the government shutdown looks to be winding down. We'll get
Speaker 2: to that a little bit later on, of course, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'll believe it when I see it, Like you this
Speaker 2: locally though, this is a case and the potential are
Speaker 2: to destroy development downtown and undue investment in a couple
Speaker 2: areas of downtown related to crime. Not to rehash that,
Speaker 2: but it ties again. There's a lawsuit that's going on
Speaker 2: right now in Cincinnati. Common inquired a great job laying
Speaker 2: this thing out yesterday. Jeff Ruby, caller entertainment. As you know,
Speaker 2: their original location the old Art Deco place on seven
Speaker 2: hundred Wallna Street. When they moved to the new digs
Speaker 2: across from Fountain Square, they turned that into the Lampeka
Speaker 2: Event Center and they're also their corporate headquarters. And I
Speaker 2: had an event there, a wedding not too long ago.
Speaker 2: It was absolutely stunning. That's why I was shocked to
Speaker 2: learn they're pulling out. So Ruby vacated the corporate offices
Speaker 2: and that space just a few weeks ago, and the
Speaker 2: original leases were set to expire in twenty twenty eight
Speaker 2: and twenty thirty for the offices and restaurants respectively. And
Speaker 2: the concern was over a safety downtown safety and basic
Speaker 2: security measures were not being fulfilled allegedly by town properties,
Speaker 2: including the security of entrances and visitor check ins and
Speaker 2: on site security and building safety protocols. And there were
Speaker 2: bullets and windows and unarmed robbery across the street and
Speaker 2: all this noise. And they said, okay, we're out because
Speaker 2: of the crime. And if you think about it, if
Speaker 2: the court sides with the Rubia on this one, this
Speaker 2: is really going to overturn. The apple Cart joined the
Speaker 2: show this morning. Is longtime attorney and student. All this
Speaker 2: stuff is. Steve Gooden joined the show this morning on
Speaker 2: seven hundred wlw are you, Steve?
Speaker 3: I'm snowed in absolutely shot.
Speaker 2: How are you well that whole that whole inch of
Speaker 2: snow has got you got your sheltered in place?
Speaker 3: Huh? I'm overreacting purposefully to this today.
Speaker 2: Yes, sheltered place orders for the inch of snow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know it's pretty now unless you're not sitting
Speaker 2: in it, I suppose in traffic right now than your
Speaker 2: anger as hell, I get it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Before we get to this though, you lost your attempt
Speaker 2: to win that council seat and voters choosing to keep
Speaker 2: leadership all democratic in the city. Is it over for
Speaker 2: balanced government? Do you think?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: I think it is for the time being, Scott, I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, look, we we we had a
Speaker 6: bizarre scenario in this you know, where we had some
Speaker 6: polling data that showed, you know, a lot of the
Speaker 6: challenges myself included, had better name i'd than the folks
Speaker 6: who ended up winning, which is a weird circumstance.
Speaker 3: We knew on the issues, you.
Speaker 6: Know, we were right there, but at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, it's slate voting. You have low turnout and
Speaker 6: people who are voting one hundred percent Democrat one hundred
Speaker 6: percent Republican.
Speaker 3: And and that's just kind of how it is.
Speaker 6: At the moment. Everything is about national politics. Local issues
Speaker 6: don't really seem to be breaking through. All of the
Speaker 6: messaging that we saw from the Democratic Council members and
Speaker 6: the mayor was all about Donald Trump and MAGA and
Speaker 6: so forth. And basically the message was if you don't
Speaker 6: return a one hundred percent Democratic council, you know, Donald
Speaker 6: Trump will win in Cincinnati, which is of course, you.
Speaker 3: Know, absurd.
Speaker 6: You know, they ran on things like snap benefits and
Speaker 6: things that were national issues over which city hall had
Speaker 6: no control. It's kind of like what happened in New
Speaker 6: York with Mondami.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know a lot of.
Speaker 6: What he you know, he pushed or things that are
Speaker 6: you know, whether you agree or disagree with the policies
Speaker 6: he's presenting, they're things that are well outside his control
Speaker 6: jurisdictionally and legally as a as a mayor. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, he's promising things that only the federal and
Speaker 6: state government can deliver by law. So you know it, look,
Speaker 6: it's it's predictable. You know, we kind of saw what
Speaker 6: was happening a few days out. You know, it's a
Speaker 6: it's a little bit of a better pill. Frankly, when
Speaker 6: you know that on the issues and in terms of
Speaker 6: who you are, you know, you know it's the right
Speaker 6: We did the right thing and we think by raising
Speaker 6: those issues, we absolutely did the right thing and we
Speaker 6: certainly moved some things in terms of the issues along,
Speaker 6: I think at city Hall.
Speaker 3: So no regrets. But uh boy, the snow is pretty
Speaker 3: does Scott.
Speaker 2: That's the snow got to marsin that election day. We
Speaker 2: probably have real problems the after effect. Even the snow melts,
Speaker 2: it still scares people. Yeah, I I you know, we
Speaker 2: I prefer a divided government. I preferred divide of government
Speaker 2: Columbus to be quite honestly, it's not about the GOP
Speaker 2: winning everything. It's about restoring some sanity in our government.
Speaker 2: So hopefully better days are ahead. It doesn't look like
Speaker 2: it right now.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: Let's segue to the case at hand. If the court
Speaker 2: sides with the Ruby in this town, pretty thing. Could
Speaker 2: that establish a precedent for commercial real estate like especially
Speaker 2: in urban areas? And then it becomes hey, Listen, crime's
Speaker 2: killing me right now. I'm seeing a reduction in business,
Speaker 2: or I feel threatened, or maybe I just want to
Speaker 2: get out of the lease. I can claim in adequate
Speaker 2: security and get out of this thing. That that would
Speaker 2: be devastating for development, wasn't it?
Speaker 3: It sure would?
Speaker 6: And frankly, I don't know what a court's going to
Speaker 6: make of what the Ruby group is claiming here.
Speaker 3: I mean, they really.
Speaker 6: And I have attacked Town Properties in their lawsuits saying, look,
Speaker 6: we told you we were having issues here. We had
Speaker 6: an employee who got robbed. We had a bullet, you know, fired,
Speaker 6: you know, a stray bullet apparently, but still the idea
Speaker 6: that there are straight bullets in the heart of downtown
Speaker 6: business district is a horrifying thing.
Speaker 3: But one of our windows got hit. We kept digging.
Speaker 6: We've had car break ins and the lot next door
Speaker 6: with our employees, and we've asked for beefed up security measures.
Speaker 6: You didn't provide them, so therefore we should get out
Speaker 6: of the last four to five years of our lease.
Speaker 6: Town Properties actually has filed a countersuit, including a claim
Speaker 6: for defamation, based upon some of the statements.
Speaker 3: Jeff Ruby's daughter Britney Ruby Miller made in.
Speaker 6: A press release or a press conference about the whole
Speaker 6: situation in which they basically said, look, you're you know
Speaker 6: you're impugning us falsely, and you know you're saying things
Speaker 6: about our security and about our building that just aren't true.
Speaker 6: There's lawsuits going both ways right now. It's kind of
Speaker 6: hard to tell from what we know so far, you
Speaker 6: know who is right or who is wrong, or whether
Speaker 6: it's some mixture. Also, what Town Property says, which is
Speaker 6: very interesting, is they're basically saying, look, you your events
Speaker 6: base just wasn't doing well.
Speaker 3: The business model.
Speaker 6: Isn't good, and they've all but accused the Ruby group
Speaker 6: of using the safety concerns to get out of their
Speaker 6: lease early. So this one's really ugly. But you're right
Speaker 6: if indeed a court rules with the Ruby Group and
Speaker 6: you can start using and business owners can start using
Speaker 6: safety protocols as a means to breach a lease prematurely,
Speaker 6: you know that that is going to be open season
Speaker 6: downtown for people who are whose businesses are not doing
Speaker 6: well in part because of the crime. And I will
Speaker 6: say this, I've heard from some of my friends who
Speaker 6: are who own smaller restaurants and barbershops and a hair salon.
Speaker 6: Some of them are down thirty to forty percent since
Speaker 6: this look rash of shooting, yeah, happened, particularly the group
Speaker 6: on the grouping of shootings there about three weeks ago
Speaker 6: on Fountain Square. So it is a very tough time.
Speaker 6: It's not only is it not safe at certain times,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's the perception is even worse. So yeah,
Speaker 6: but no, you're absolutely right. If the Common Police Court
Speaker 6: does side with Ruby, this is going to be a
Speaker 6: could lead to an exodus of people downtown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, it's not to say, I know
Speaker 2: some people believe that, you know, Mexico starts south of
Speaker 2: Red Bank Road. It's not true at all. Are plenty
Speaker 2: of areas, sinc An editor, that are safe if it's
Speaker 2: just a couple of neighborhoods in particular or in certain
Speaker 2: times a day or not, and then those are exacerbated.
Speaker 2: We talk about it, people start to fear it and
Speaker 2: it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is unfortunate. But you know,
Speaker 2: the way this whole thing has been handled, which is
Speaker 2: why you ran and many others ran too, is to
Speaker 2: reform how crime is handled in the City of Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I kind of get what Ruby's doing here.
Speaker 2: Maybe the model wasn't working because of that though, right,
Speaker 2: because people aren't coming downtown because of what we're talking about,
Speaker 2: so indirectly it's crime. I wonder though, too, if this
Speaker 2: were successful, would that could this spill over to the
Speaker 2: residential lease game as well, and people are afraid of
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna break my
Speaker 2: lease with my apartment and my condo because I don't
Speaker 2: feel safe anymore. I would see that as an extension
Speaker 2: here too, and then the wheels really fall off. But
Speaker 2: in reality, Ruby says they made repeated police or security measures.
Speaker 2: What I guess what evans would they need to prove
Speaker 2: the town is negligent there? And outside of town's control,
Speaker 2: they don't run, you know, the police department of the
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. So what control really does a landlord have?
Speaker 6: Well, and that's and I think that's part of their
Speaker 6: legal problem, you know, factually speaking, you know, if if
Speaker 6: the security measures aren't built explicitly into the lease, that's
Speaker 6: you know, town property will have a pretty good defense there.
Speaker 6: And again we haven't seen the lease, the lease these
Speaker 6: commercial leases tend to be you know, very very detailed,
Speaker 6: you know, one hundred pages long and so forth. So
Speaker 6: I would be a little bit surprised if, you know,
Speaker 6: if there's something in the lease that would really give
Speaker 6: them these the ability to demand these security protocols.
Speaker 3: That go above and beyond.
Speaker 6: And again, you know, the Ruby folks have had their
Speaker 6: headquarters there and have been in that building for decades
Speaker 6: so and things have really, you know, really changed there
Speaker 6: over the years. I mean, you beck in the early
Speaker 6: two thousands and we had an uptake in violence like
Speaker 6: this before you know, they were able to weather that
Speaker 6: and that was the Town Properties building then. So I
Speaker 6: think that will come very much into play. How the
Speaker 6: last time we had an issue like this, but also
Speaker 6: what's really happening now is unprecedented. You know, the city
Speaker 6: officials still want to argue about the numbers, whether the
Speaker 6: crime is up or down overall, but we know in
Speaker 6: the city but we know it's up. It is up,
Speaker 6: particularly in the downtown business area district. It is up
Speaker 6: in over the Rhine, is particularly up in northern over
Speaker 6: the Rhine. And we also know the quality, not just
Speaker 6: the quality, but the quality of the incidents that have
Speaker 6: been occurring, had been horrified, and we've had shootings during
Speaker 6: business hours, you know, including the one on White in
Speaker 6: front of the Ruby restaurant at the Foundry was at
Speaker 6: you know some you know, one was at seven pm,
Speaker 6: one was at five to eighteen pm in front of
Speaker 6: the Federal courthouse.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's not like you.
Speaker 6: Know, when I was a prosecutor twenty years ago there
Speaker 6: were horrible shootings downtown with they tended to happen at
Speaker 6: two three in the morning. We're talking to people leaving
Speaker 6: their offices and hearing gunfire. So it's a it's qualitatively different,
Speaker 6: and I think that's something at court we'll have to
Speaker 6: kind of grapple with somehow. No question from the record
Speaker 6: they submitted that with the lawsuit that the Ruby folks
Speaker 6: were asking for additional security. No question that they had
Speaker 6: employees who were passled, robbed and just generally had the
Speaker 6: cars broken into and so forth. But you know, I
Speaker 6: could also see a court very much saying, hey, it's
Speaker 6: not explicitly built into the least that you get this
Speaker 6: additional security, and I'm sorry, you're on your own and
Speaker 6: the town properties folks just have no real control over
Speaker 6: the crime.
Speaker 2: Steve Goodin and the filing Ruby v. Tom Properties. Ruby
Speaker 2: said they spent two hundred thousand dollars annually on private security.
Speaker 2: Is that to help hurt that case?
Speaker 6: It's sort of it cuts both ways. I mean it
Speaker 6: also you know, it shows that they were at number one.
Speaker 6: I mean, it shows actually that that they were doing that,
Speaker 6: and I have no doubt. I mean I was just
Speaker 6: not long ago at the downtown Ruby's restaurant, the main one,
Speaker 6: and you know they had armed security out front, you know,
Speaker 6: because you know, they've apparently had some issues also at
Speaker 6: their flagship struct in terms of violence and muggings and
Speaker 6: employees being handled.
Speaker 3: And so forth.
Speaker 6: But the flip side would be, like, you know, I
Speaker 6: could see count Properties turning that around very quickly and saying, well,
Speaker 6: you've known about.
Speaker 3: These security issues for a while.
Speaker 6: You've been providing security outside the lease on all your properties,
Speaker 6: and and frankly, based upon what Jeff Ruby, Jeff Ruby
Speaker 6: churches for a stake, apparently they're still turning the profit.
Speaker 6: So you know, last if I was down there, it
Speaker 6: was not a slow bill.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm gonna have the I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: the Chris collins Worth top with litigation. Thank you new Bok.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The two hundred thousand
Speaker 2: security investment, it suggests that Ruby's had responsibility in this
Speaker 2: to some degree too as well. And also from what
Speaker 2: I read, was there an evidence was there any evidence
Speaker 2: that they presented any request to uh notice a default
Speaker 2: or before they left the premises, attempt to cure I
Speaker 2: think is the term, in order to make sure that
Speaker 2: they asked and said, hey, look, can you take care
Speaker 2: of the stuff, and they weren't responded to. But I
Speaker 2: didn't see any of that in here, did you.
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 6: And look, it's not unusual in a lawsuit like this,
Speaker 6: you know for those kinds of things to be provided
Speaker 6: in discovery if the case goes along, but.
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't.
Speaker 6: It looks like this all came together relatively quickly, you know,
Speaker 6: over the course of just a few weeks. Really, if
Speaker 6: I'm if I'm reading it correctly, it sounds like the
Speaker 6: security concerns have been around for well over a year,
Speaker 6: but the negotiations in the back and forth did seem
Speaker 6: to be in a pretty tight timeframe. So no, I
Speaker 6: did not see that, and I think those are all issues.
Speaker 6: If that did not occur. Those are things that we'll
Speaker 6: go into Town Properties favor from a legal standpoint, so
Speaker 6: you know, we'll have to wait and see on that.
Speaker 6: But no, there really isn't much of a showing that
Speaker 6: they had a significant negotiation here over that, which is
Speaker 6: and it's it's very typical in these large commercial leases
Speaker 6: that you don't just you're not able just to pull out.
Speaker 3: You know, you have to try to. You know, you
Speaker 3: have to at least give.
Speaker 6: The landlord a chance to fix things, which is the
Speaker 6: old you know, cure provisions as they call it. So
Speaker 6: you know, well we'll see what's there. But yeah, this
Speaker 6: is the lawsuit is pretty thin on that in that department.
Speaker 2: And not only that too, this has also reflected the
Speaker 2: broader issues downtown is homelessness and street crime and the
Speaker 2: changing nature of downtown alike as well, outside of the
Speaker 2: scope of anyone except for government.
Speaker 6: Well, that's and that's right. I think you're going to
Speaker 6: hear a lot from town Properties on that on that
Speaker 6: specific point. I mean, I mean, we know that downtown.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, this is something not to shift back
Speaker 6: into campaign mode, I'm saying.
Speaker 3: To act like that never happened, but we're gonna.
Speaker 6: Act like, uh, but the I mean, we know the
Speaker 6: police the saythek Police Department is understaffed. We know the
Speaker 6: understaffing is particularly fell downtown.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's you know, it's it's.
Speaker 6: Very, very difficult to have true beat policing with the
Speaker 6: staffing levels the police department has.
Speaker 3: At the moment.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean we know that, you know, they
Speaker 6: have a compliment that was set in two thousand and five,
Speaker 6: which was a radically different city at that point in
Speaker 6: time in terms of attractions, and I mean there was
Speaker 6: no developed over the Rhine, then there was no TQL Stadium,
Speaker 6: then no Brady Center, then fifteen thousand, by any estimate,
Speaker 6: fewer residents than So the idea that we're going to
Speaker 6: take a compliment set from that time frame in terms
Speaker 6: of the police department, and it's two hundred short from
Speaker 6: that number and actually expect to have beat policing downtown,
Speaker 6: the officers out of their cars walking, you know, it's
Speaker 6: just not mathematically possible.
Speaker 3: The officers we have.
Speaker 6: Now are by and large, you know, dedicated to responding
Speaker 6: to emergency calls.
Speaker 3: That's all we have.
Speaker 6: And if you see an officer out on the street
Speaker 6: on Government Square, Fountain Square.
Speaker 3: Chances are they're being.
Speaker 6: Paid overtime or it's a private detail for a restaurant
Speaker 6: like we just and it's really not a good way
Speaker 6: to do business.
Speaker 3: And that's where we.
Speaker 6: Slip into what I call this kind of third world vibe,
Speaker 6: where it's like, if you're a business that can afford
Speaker 6: to hire an off duty police officer, you're in great shape.
Speaker 6: If you're a small business that doesn't have that kind
Speaker 6: of Jeff Ruby budget, then you're in a bad spot.
Speaker 6: And that is that is not the way we are
Speaker 6: supposed to do things, and that's not a sign of
Speaker 6: a healthy city.
Speaker 2: No, no, only that, I mean if landlords become liable
Speaker 2: for crime in and around the building in the city,
Speaker 2: imagine what insurance rates would do, and there'd be properties
Speaker 2: that are uninsurable and then the landlord has to hire security.
Speaker 2: I'd be a good lord. The rent down town would
Speaker 2: be absolutely ridiculous. So I kind of see which way
Speaker 2: the court's going to lean here, But you never know
Speaker 2: he is Steve good an attorney at law, break and
Speaker 2: hold this whole thing down. When the quite honestly, development
Speaker 2: and the progress Cincinnati's made in the last twenty plus
Speaker 2: years is in jeopardy with the decision in this case
Speaker 2: and whenever that comes on, but they'll probably settle as
Speaker 2: they often do, and life will go on. He is
Speaker 2: Steve Good and thanks again to joining Budy. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Have a great one anytime, Scott. Take care, Take care.
Speaker 2: I've got to get to a news update here in
Speaker 2: the very latest on the roadways and can you imagine
Speaker 2: this kind of me see out there, chuckle, have that
Speaker 2: for the forecast when the snow ends and more to
Speaker 2: follow slowly seven hundred WLW Here we go, slowly on
Speaker 2: the big one, seven hundred WLW. A bit of a
Speaker 2: mess out there today, as you heard from Chuck, and
Speaker 2: looks like it's continue through lunchtime hour and then maybe tapering,
Speaker 2: tapering by like five o'clock. So yeah, it's gonna hang
Speaker 2: around a minute and big day of Our producers drove
Speaker 2: down from the Dayton area and they said's a lot
Speaker 2: worse up there. So but I know we've got a
Speaker 2: few couple more hours of snow left here in Cincinnati
Speaker 2: pretty early for us on this tenth day of November.
Speaker 2: For sure, unexpected, well mean unusual, let's put it that way.
Speaker 2: It was amazing, is me. We talk about this every year,
Speaker 2: and folks just simply lose their mind when there's snow.
Speaker 2: I could if you're new to the area or even
Speaker 2: lived here for a long time. It's the damnedest thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we freak out and can't drive
Speaker 2: so well when we have a little bit of snow.
Speaker 2: I could see if you live in Dallas or Atlanta
Speaker 2: where it's pretty rare. Sure there you gonna freak out
Speaker 2: there you to it. Oh, here we get significant I'm
Speaker 2: not significant, but a decent amount of snowfall every year.
Speaker 2: And just unless we just forget that, you know, the
Speaker 2: overpasses our slippery. I don't know, I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: just one of those things that make it. Ah, I'm
Speaker 2: about living in Cincinnati, but hey, that's you know what,
Speaker 2: of all the things in my head, they're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a negative. That might be close close to the
Speaker 2: top of the list, but that you know, and if
Speaker 2: that's like near the top of the list, it ain't
Speaker 2: all that bad, you know what I'm saying. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. All right, we had.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, the other thing I want to point out is
Speaker 2: the new trend with the climate terrorists and not really
Speaker 2: knew it's been a couple of years.
Speaker 7: My laugh.
Speaker 2: Every time I see it, it's like this morning we
Speaker 2: have in the newsroom, or generally sit and have my
Speaker 2: coffee chat with the boys and the girls. They have
Speaker 2: the local news on see what's going on. Of course
Speaker 2: they have now the ability because of technology, to have
Speaker 2: cameras and cars at all times, you know, so they
Speaker 2: live stream the drive around. So the drummer in the
Speaker 2: city showing what the roads look like in real time.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's one thing if you were heavy rain,
Speaker 2: where there's flooding or there's a lot of snow and
Speaker 2: you look at it, go okay, it's a different perspective
Speaker 2: rather than standing on the side of the highway next
Speaker 2: to the salt Dome on seventy five, which we're due for.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe somebody did that. Today we may
Speaker 2: have our first what we would call the assault Domes
Speaker 2: stand up of the year for TV station. Now they
Speaker 2: drive around to scare the helly I walked to like, okay,
Speaker 2: here's what the roads look like. Yeah, it just started snowing.
Speaker 2: There's nothing, the roads are dry, there's nothing to see,
Speaker 2: but that's part of it. Got to get you worked
Speaker 2: up in little Ladder. It's good for Kroger. Kroger needs
Speaker 2: the business. Go get your batteries, milk and bread before
Speaker 2: I run out with the inch of snow.
Speaker 3: We're kidding.
Speaker 2: Also, I just had Steve Goodnan not talking about the
Speaker 2: election necessarily because that's old news, but rather than the
Speaker 2: effect of crime downtown that you lawsuit with Jeff Jeff
Speaker 2: Ruby against town property. I think it's to be really interesting. Now,
Speaker 2: typically these things get settled anyway, but now do you
Speaker 2: imagine what would happen if Ruby's group won that, Because
Speaker 2: if you're a landlord down town, how hard would it
Speaker 2: then be the lease in urban areas? And this across
Speaker 2: the country as well, because it's the president, but specific
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, how are it would be the least and
Speaker 2: get out of lease for that matter? And what would
Speaker 2: happen to commercial rent and anyone wanting to develop downtown?
Speaker 2: And what pretty much ended would it not? Because if
Speaker 2: you know, as a landlord myself a much smaller scale,
Speaker 2: now all of a sudden I'm charged with being the police.
Speaker 2: And in a way, that's the problem I had with
Speaker 2: landlords being held liable for the behavior their tenants to
Speaker 2: some degree, and that you know, if they're having a
Speaker 2: party at three o'clock in the morning and it's a
Speaker 2: noise violation or being loud or whatever it is. How
Speaker 2: I don't understand how the hell I could be responsible
Speaker 2: for the actions of a grown adult. I mean, they're leasing.
Speaker 2: Here's the terms of the lease. You can't make noise,
Speaker 2: you can't do this, can't do that. Okay, great, you
Speaker 2: know I don't live next door to them, and I
Speaker 2: know it's about targeting the out of state landlords. But
Speaker 2: you know, again, it's a vacuum and people are buying houses,
Speaker 2: and whether you like it or not, that's the name
Speaker 2: of the game. US are big companies, but it seems
Speaker 2: kind of punitive to me a whole them responsible for.
Speaker 2: You know, if it's look at this way, if you
Speaker 2: come peeling down the street in your car and you're
Speaker 2: doing fifty and a twenty five, that's not on me,
Speaker 2: that's on the tenant who's driving that way or parking
Speaker 2: illegally or whatever it is. But when it comes to
Speaker 2: those kind of violations around that, I could see if
Speaker 2: it's you know, building code or something like that. Properties
Speaker 2: in decline, there's weeds, gutters are falling DOWNE sure absolutely
Speaker 2: effects quality there, but I hate that it gives landlords
Speaker 2: a bad name. But when it comes to their individual behavior,
Speaker 2: they have an allowed party or something like that, Like
Speaker 2: that's not really my concern. You can let me know.
Speaker 2: But I you know, when we started doing that, and
Speaker 2: this kind of opens the door for that too, is
Speaker 2: how far is expected that the landlord in this cantsdown
Speaker 2: properties be responsible for crime around the in this case
Speaker 2: Ruby's restaurant. You know, if landlords become liable for crime
Speaker 2: in and around the buildings, and insurance costs goes through
Speaker 2: the roof, and there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 2: abandoned properties because a lot of those are going to
Speaker 2: become uninsurable and so now you have to hire your
Speaker 2: own security firm to guarantee safety, and those costs gets
Speaker 2: passed on the tenants and be unlivable downtown. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. That's that seems to be really slippery slope
Speaker 2: in my opinion. Anyway, looks like we are close to
Speaker 2: but I'll believe when I see it. The end of
Speaker 2: the shutdown, the Senate reaching a deal last night to
Speaker 2: fund the government late last night. So we're what forty
Speaker 2: days right now after the shod longest shutdown in history,
Speaker 2: and it started out as theater and then gradually starts
Speaker 2: to affect people. So, for example, my brother and sister
Speaker 2: law were traveling this weekend, got jammed up in the airport,
Speaker 2: and it was a good time. And of course, you know,
Speaker 2: that's minor compared to the folks who have run out
Speaker 2: of staff benefits, and of course federal workers who go
Speaker 2: on paid and the list goes on. So it looks
Speaker 2: like they're going to reinstate all government employees laid after
Speaker 2: the shutdown. Everyone gets full back pay. And John Thune,
Speaker 2: the Republican Senate majority leader, says, we're going to promise
Speaker 2: a vote to extend affordable healthcare the ACA subsidies later
Speaker 2: this year as well, will promise a vote, no guarantee
Speaker 2: of outcome there, but if indeeda said okay, well, we're
Speaker 2: going to at least fund this for another year our
Speaker 2: live superiod of time till we can come with a conclusion,
Speaker 2: meaning we'll kick it down the can down the road again.
Speaker 2: The funding package will go to the House for consideration,
Speaker 2: and maybe the thing will be done and just a
Speaker 2: few short hours, if not days. But one also goes, okay,
Speaker 2: we shut this thing down for forty days, You're gonna
Speaker 2: pay all the workers. You're gonna get your back pay.
Speaker 2: SNAP is going to be restored. We're going to extend
Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act. What the hell was the point
Speaker 2: of shutting this down for the last forty days, one
Speaker 2: may ask, and that would be the central question, the
Speaker 2: inefficiencies and neglect of our government, the people we send
Speaker 2: to do our bidding. Also too, something that kind of
Speaker 2: broke late on Friday is President Trump wants to hand
Speaker 2: out checks pall. Hes're a politician, right, It's like, well,
Speaker 2: the things are going unless they're paying people off. You
Speaker 2: may get a two thousand dollars tariff dividend. They're calling
Speaker 2: this according to his post on truth. Social will take
Speaker 2: that with a grain of salt. The dividend will be
Speaker 2: paid to everyone except high income people. And so this
Speaker 2: is on the heels of I think it was Josh
Speaker 2: Hawley introducing legislation over the summer or last term, I
Speaker 2: guess to give a six hundred dollars tare freebay to
Speaker 2: nearly all Americans independent children, and the Secretary Treasury said
Speaker 2: our priority is paying down with now the thirty eight
Speaker 2: trillion dollar national debt using the tariff revenue. Okay, so
Speaker 2: the math on this math doesn't really math out because
Speaker 2: so far through quarter three, three quarters of the year,
Speaker 2: others four quarters, Just like football, two hundred billion dollars
Speaker 2: is what we've gained, which a lot of money. Two
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars in tariffs is what we have pulled in.
Speaker 2: So we're certainly the government's getting some money from the
Speaker 2: two hundred from the tariffs. And it's two hundred billion
Speaker 2: dollars to the third quarter. Great, that is what five
Speaker 2: one thousandth of the of the deficit of the debt.
Speaker 2: And if it's five to one thous the interest rate
Speaker 2: that we're paying me and you and everyone collectively on
Speaker 2: that debt is in excess of three percent. I'm not
Speaker 2: the big math guy. Maybe you are. So if you
Speaker 2: get two hundred billion dollars and then you're gonna give
Speaker 2: everyone two thousand dollars and then you're gonna pay I
Speaker 2: guess they're gonna use more of it to pay the
Speaker 2: national debt, the federal debt. Then that's done. It doesn't
Speaker 2: work out. So you've only got two hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 2: It's thirty eight trillion. So the at this rate, you're
Speaker 2: never going to catch up. It's going to continue to
Speaker 2: get worse and worse and worse. So that doesn't even
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds good to go, Hey, everyone's gonna
Speaker 2: get two k if you did that. Basically you're everyone
Speaker 2: to vote for you because you keep getting paid. But
Speaker 2: we're not addressing the central issue, and that is the
Speaker 2: out of control debt. But again, it's Washington. It doesn't
Speaker 2: have to make sense. It does not have to make
Speaker 2: sense in other news, there is ay. The science is
Speaker 2: specificously the astroscientists. To me, it's fascinating because most people like, okay,
Speaker 2: you look up, there's the moon, the stars. Okay, if
Speaker 2: there's a lunar eclipse, solar eclipses a bit way, that
Speaker 2: big solar eclipse, right, everyone lose their mind. That's a
Speaker 2: big one. That is the super Bowl of celestial events.
Speaker 2: An eclipse. I can see there's like a star passing by.
Speaker 2: The plans in alignment, maybe not so much. It seems
Speaker 2: like every week we have some sort of astrophysic event
Speaker 2: here that they get excited about. And that'd be the
Speaker 2: I don't know. In this case, a theoretical physicist out
Speaker 2: of Harvard as the scientific community worked at because he
Speaker 2: believes that we are about to be visited by aliens,
Speaker 2: an alien mothership. What apparently there's a comet, and this
Speaker 2: comet is racing through our solar system and it is
Speaker 2: obviously since from a different solar system, it's an interstellar.
Speaker 2: It's not going to abide by our laws of gravity
Speaker 2: and physics, and that is that it erals are on
Speaker 2: the Sun now it's going to blaze by the Sun
Speaker 2: and it just did, and it's on track to fly
Speaker 2: by Earth on December nineteenth. And he believes that this
Speaker 2: may be an alien not a comet, because of the
Speaker 2: shape and form of it. And we don't have like
Speaker 2: three of these, by the way, we're have an interstellar
Speaker 2: object of body flying through our little world here. And
Speaker 2: he said, listen, this could be interesting. It could be
Speaker 2: an alien mothership. I don't know if that's tongue in
Speaker 2: cheek or not, but you know, it's the idea to
Speaker 2: try and get you to eat your vegetables and pay
Speaker 2: attention to this kind of stuff. So the orbit of
Speaker 2: this comet is traced of the past clearly it originates
Speaker 2: from outside the Solar system, and it's an odd shape,
Speaker 2: and I guess that is why how they would dictate
Speaker 2: it comes from outside our solar system. So the but
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Okay, we're gonna get visited by an
Speaker 2: alien mothership. You hear that headline, go oh wow, that's
Speaker 2: that's interesting. Okay.
Speaker 4: Goal.
Speaker 2: The closest it's going to get is about one hundred
Speaker 2: seventy million miles. It's just inside the orbit of Mars.
Speaker 2: Not exactly close. Hey, certainly in those terms when you
Speaker 2: look at bodies in heaven, that's that's pretty close. But
Speaker 2: for me and you, one hundred seventy million miles is
Speaker 2: I don't care. As it makes a U turn and says,
Speaker 2: hold up, hit the brakes. There's a Starbucks. Look, there's
Speaker 2: a star I'm gonna stop at Earth and get some Starbucks.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little no, I think you can still get
Speaker 2: a pumpkin spice latte. Maybe they don't have that where
Speaker 2: they're coming from. I don't know. So the size of
Speaker 2: it be investigated by astronomers around the world, and once
Speaker 2: it passes the Sun, it's going to reappear on the
Speaker 2: other side by early next year or early in December,
Speaker 2: so right on the nineteenth, and then we'll have renewed
Speaker 2: observations because you got to renew the observations. Witch you
Speaker 2: do I do that is you know there's some sort
Speaker 2: of we're not going to see this another for another
Speaker 2: two thousand years. And you go outside and it's cloudy.
Speaker 2: It's always three because it's nice three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm probably not gonna get at three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning, see some stars, see a comet
Speaker 2: pass by. Wow, look at that comment. It's interstellar. It's
Speaker 2: like it's this little tiny dot out there. And eventually,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll just wake up the next morning it'll
Speaker 2: be on my phone and a nice close up at
Speaker 2: that too. So trying to get up and maybe you're
Speaker 2: an astronomy, you probably don't sleep much or your odds
Speaker 2: are it's like you're working third r because all the
Speaker 2: good stuff happens when it's dark. Obviously, once in a
Speaker 2: great while you get a an eclipse, a solar eclipse,
Speaker 2: and you can see it during the day, but mainly
Speaker 2: it's like your job is at night. The rest of
Speaker 2: us have to work for a living and deal with
Speaker 2: traffic and such and such a quick time out. More
Speaker 2: to follow on this snowy Monday morning. All the latest
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Speaker 2: the snow of the cold weather here, don't forget if
Speaker 2: you got those hoses looked up to the side of
Speaker 2: your house, take them off. Don't want broken pipes. Just saying,
Speaker 2: just saying, Bengals in U see idle this weekend, some
Speaker 2: of those rare college and pro teams not playing and
Speaker 2: so yeah, maybe a little extra time here. I watched
Speaker 2: Saturday night FC advance in the playoffs in front of
Speaker 2: a passing crowd of TQ. Well, it looked absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2: The environment right there.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: I feared that out had to be magical because they
Speaker 2: eliminated Columbus. FC eliminates Columbus in the deciding game three
Speaker 2: on Brenner's gold final minutes of regulation one of the
Speaker 2: I'll have Tommy g By the way, Tommy Glarterer is
Speaker 2: on the show later on like eleven thirty five. Instead
Speaker 2: of a usually I talked to James Rapine, but being
Speaker 2: I don't know, I thought we talked a lot of
Speaker 2: to see because it was you know, arguably, you know
Speaker 2: what the way the Bengals are right now, I would
Speaker 2: say that FC Cincinnati maybe and oh certainly you see
Speaker 2: the most exciting sports product we have right now. And
Speaker 2: it was a lot of fun to watch on Saturday night. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Tommy G'll be here after eleven thirty five talking about
Speaker 2: the big win and of course just slaying the dragon
Speaker 2: out of the Columbus crew. And it wasn't easy, that's
Speaker 2: for sure. But this is a call in the Spanish
Speaker 2: radio booth from TQL Stadium on Saturday night. It always
Speaker 2: sounds like a party. I have no idea what he's saying.
Speaker 2: I had the countdown Fiesta Cincinnati. I'm there for the party, man,
Speaker 2: I'm there for all of it. It's a good time.
Speaker 2: So anyway, two weeks off before they play again, because
Speaker 2: well you have international games in there too, and that's
Speaker 2: the one thing as a sports fan in North American
Speaker 2: sports fani I didn't get that whole thing that in
Speaker 2: the middle of the season that he said we got
Speaker 2: the playoffs, Yeah, we gotta stop why because our guys
Speaker 2: are going to go play international soccer and then they'll
Speaker 2: come back and we'll have the playoffs like an afterthought.
Speaker 2: Don't get that one. But it was really really exciting,
Speaker 2: really exciting. Coming up next to the show on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW, we have the government shutdown. The ledgedly is
Speaker 2: close to end. I don't know how close it is ending.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say that. The Senate met late last night
Speaker 2: came up with some compromise. The House has got to
Speaker 2: figure it out of the all go sideways. Of course,
Speaker 2: in the next few hours or days, we'll see what
Speaker 2: we believe. We're a day forty right now, but everything's
Speaker 2: going on because the shutdown is taking center stage, and
Speaker 2: so it is. The weather here in Cincinnati is what's
Speaker 2: going on in Venezuela right now as we continue to
Speaker 2: blow up ships off the coast. And if you are
Speaker 2: following the so all you go, well, okay, I didn't
Speaker 2: know Venezuela was sending drugs there, Well, well they really aren't.
Speaker 2: Mexico is still the biggest purveyer of this stuff. But
Speaker 2: that is just a pretext for what is about to
Speaker 2: happen here. His name is Jeffrey Gilson. He studies this
Speaker 2: stuff and he's got a British accent, so that makes
Speaker 2: him ten times smarter than the rest of us. So
Speaker 2: anyone talks with a British accent, you just sound like informed,
Speaker 2: like a show on PBS or something like that. It's
Speaker 2: good just to be stupid, you know, British comedy, but
Speaker 2: it's higher level, it's more highbrow because they're doing with
Speaker 2: that accent. Anyway, what's happening in Venezuela and what the
Speaker 2: endgame is there, it's really interesting and also frightening at
Speaker 2: the same time. We'll talk to him about that coming
Speaker 2: up on this Monday morning. Julie h Will Mental Health
Speaker 2: Monday at ten thirty five. And of course the big
Speaker 2: story in Cincinnati right now would be the weather that
Speaker 2: started to moving on right around a thirty or so,
Speaker 2: a little bit more snow. Daton got hit pretty good
Speaker 2: with a couple of inches of snowscrewing up traffic there.
Speaker 2: But now it's starting to certainly starting to accumulate out
Speaker 2: there and this is going to cause some problems on
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Speaker 8: You want to be an American Scott Flown show.
Speaker 2: This is seven hundred WLW. We've seen this unprecedented military
Speaker 2: action off Venezuela in the extra judicial killings of alleged
Speaker 2: drug runners. We don't know. We're blowing stuff up and
Speaker 2: all the evidence goes with us. There's no trial. Could
Speaker 2: be a con certainly those could be. It's a constituential problem.
Speaker 2: So much so there's a bipartisan call for oversight. Of course,
Speaker 2: you got open up the damn government for those conversations
Speaker 2: to happen. But here we are. But if we think
Speaker 2: it's about drugs and fentanyl, think again, because that is
Speaker 2: not the story at all. It just does not check out.
Speaker 2: There's something bigger going on here. Uh, and it has
Speaker 2: to do not with the United States, but the balance
Speaker 2: of power between China, Russia and Iran. Jeff Gilson is here,
Speaker 2: former speechwriter for Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and a geopolitical expert. Jeff, welcome,
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 7: I'm fine. Thank you having me on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we start on topic A, I have to
Speaker 2: ask you about the passing of Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney
Speaker 2: has passed away, and he had a hand, and of
Speaker 2: course the First Golf War two part of the strategy
Speaker 2: with Margaret Thatcher. And as I recall now that the
Speaker 2: history is the books have been open, did he I
Speaker 2: believe he fought with her over chemical weapons and whether
Speaker 2: or not the because she wanted to use chemical weapons
Speaker 2: and he was against it, which does not go with
Speaker 2: the Dick Cheney narrative.
Speaker 5: Is that true.
Speaker 4: I don't know all the details of that, but very
Speaker 4: definitely Dick Cheney was quite happy to use any any
Speaker 4: means good if he saw it to protect American Dick
Speaker 4: Cheney is an interesting character. He was around from the
Speaker 4: days of Nixon, and in terms that your listeners would understand,
Speaker 4: Dick Cheney is the godfather of the unitary executive authority
Speaker 4: and me had Cotton, which basically put together, means the
Speaker 4: president is the supreme federal power and pretty much can
Speaker 4: do what he wants. That's what the constitution says. And
Speaker 4: actually I find some sympathy with that, although I'm disappointed
Speaker 4: about it, but that's on the filming thought father, it's
Speaker 4: not Dick Cheney. And then once you have the supreme president,
Speaker 4: his or her job is to make the rest of
Speaker 4: the world cower.
Speaker 8: And that's it.
Speaker 4: That's Dick Cheney in a nutshell all wolf of It's
Speaker 4: who was in the Defense Department when Bush Junior invading
Speaker 4: Iraq said that Dick Cheney was the scariest person he'd
Speaker 4: ever met. Now, you may be a Dick Cheney fan,
Speaker 4: you may not be a Dick Cheney fan. But he
Speaker 4: was one of the most powerful figures. And he definitely
Speaker 4: was the godfather of neo gunn So he was all
Speaker 4: in favor of invading countries to protect America's interests, and
Speaker 4: he was in favor of torture and chemical weapons, anything
Speaker 4: that was needed to get the job done quickly and effectively.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that market Thatcher would not have much
Speaker 4: got that. Margaret Thatcher at heart was a libertarian. She
Speaker 4: went to war in the Falkland Islands in nineteen eighty
Speaker 4: two with huge reluctance, but she knew that the alternative
Speaker 4: was to cowtow to a dictator in Argentina. Since we're
Speaker 4: talking about Venezuela, ye, it all comes back to Latin.
Speaker 7: America more important than people.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff Gilson, let's get into that. The reality. There's
Speaker 2: there's the reality versus the narrative. And this has been
Speaker 2: blown apart already, is that the you know, the idea
Speaker 2: that that's a government run cartel has been debunked last year.
Speaker 2: The Drug Threat Assessment doesn't even mention Venezuela, and there's
Speaker 2: a list of dangerous countries. The National Intelligence Council reports
Speaker 2: at Maduro doesn't control drug trafficking all. They play very
Speaker 2: little role in the federyl or opioid crisis. And yet
Speaker 2: here we are back with Venezuela and we're bombing the
Speaker 2: hell out of them, blown up ships. And but the
Speaker 2: federal story, I think it plays here in America. It's
Speaker 2: good for Trump, good for Trump being on brand and
Speaker 2: fighting the war on drugs. But the reality is there's
Speaker 2: something bigger at play here. Let's talk about where Iran, Russia, China,
Speaker 2: and the United States intersect.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I mean the first thing is that Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: I believe quite genuinely it's against the drug trade.
Speaker 8: But he's not quite right.
Speaker 4: Put out, there's there's little here. However, you have to
Speaker 4: use drugs as an excuse because drug interdiction allows the
Speaker 4: president under the Constitution, in certain powers that he doesn't
Speaker 4: have if you say, we just don't like the man
Speaker 4: and we need to control Venezuela. Plus Maga is not
Speaker 4: going to be happy because Maga, Marjorie Tayler Green is
Speaker 4: very much opposed to foreign individual.
Speaker 8: We need to be pulling back from that.
Speaker 4: So the line coming out of the White House is well,
Speaker 4: number one, it isn't really foreign, it's our backyard. Think
Speaker 4: Monroe doctrine. And secondly, it's about drugs. So drugs are
Speaker 4: the excuse just talking about the wider the issues of
Speaker 4: what Earth has has got to do with Iran and Russian.
Speaker 4: Here's the deal. Venezuela is a rogue nation think Cuba
Speaker 4: from the sixties for those history bus listening. It is
Speaker 4: exactly the same. Russia uses it as a toe hold
Speaker 4: in the Western hemisphere. China gets oil from Venezuela. You'll know,
Speaker 4: Venezuela sits on huge reserves of oil, and Iran, which
Speaker 4: of course has its own oil, cannot export because of functions.
Speaker 4: So what it does is it ships its oil to Venezuela.
Speaker 4: Venezuela then sells it as Venezuelan oil. So this is
Speaker 4: unholy alliance centered in Venezuela and the person pushing for
Speaker 4: this is less Donald Trump and more Marco Rubio. This
Speaker 4: I think was the deal between Rubio and Trump, that
Speaker 4: Rubio would grit his teeth, close his eyes, put his
Speaker 4: fingers in his ears, and serve as secretary of State
Speaker 4: to the man who know about in the things to
Speaker 4: say about his hands. In return for which Trump we
Speaker 4: say the America is he yours to play with? Because
Speaker 4: Rubio is because of his kiven An American background, is vehemently
Speaker 4: opposed to the leadership in Cuba and Venezuela, and he
Speaker 4: is the one driving. So that's what they want. They
Speaker 4: want regime change, but they know it's going to be
Speaker 4: very difficult to get boots on the ground, so they're
Speaker 4: using drugs. They have certain executive authorities to intervite drugs
Speaker 4: on the seas. They can use certain CIA covert operations
Speaker 4: on land if it's a clear and present danger think
Speaker 4: Harrison Ford the movie Clear and Present Danger, And a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, the CIA already passed a finding
Speaker 4: that the so called narco terrorist regime and supporters in
Speaker 4: Venezuela represented a direct and clear and present danger. So
Speaker 4: the authority is there to put CIA boots on the ground.
Speaker 4: The build up of the military is part and Parcelor's
Speaker 4: what I think Trump wants to do or other Rubia
Speaker 4: wants to do, is scare Madeuro into leaving sort of
Speaker 4: what happened, not quite what happened, but what they were
Speaker 4: trying to do, what Bushclia was trying to do in Panama.
Speaker 4: And if you see something happening in Venezuela, the template
Speaker 4: is Panama a Bush Senior where they used drugs once
Speaker 4: again as the excuse to go in and then and
Speaker 4: also the threat to the Panama Canal. So in Venezuela
Speaker 4: they're going to put steering a boots on the ground
Speaker 4: and probably hope for some sort of intervention from Venezuela,
Speaker 4: at which point the president has six days authority to
Speaker 4: go in because they put American lives at Yeah.
Speaker 2: And this is about getting Machado, Maria Parina Machado once celebrated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's getting someone there who's going to play ball with
Speaker 2: the United States. It's about and there are a lot
Speaker 2: of parallels. It's interesting you brought up Cuba because it
Speaker 2: feels just like it outside of maybe the Bay of
Speaker 2: Pigs and that botched effort. And of course leading to
Speaker 2: the standoff and being on the brink of nuclear war.
Speaker 2: I don't think it escalates that. But now it's not
Speaker 2: just US viv Russia, right, this is a multipolar battle
Speaker 2: because you don't have just one country, you have several.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean as far as Revio as I say,
Speaker 4: Reubio Trumpet concerned. This is an irritation that they want
Speaker 4: to have go away. And the major military build up
Speaker 4: the aircraft carrier, is to try and put pressure on
Speaker 4: Maduro to leave. There are definitely there's a very strange
Speaker 4: relationship between politicians. This happens across lack America. There are
Speaker 4: the elites in Venezuela who go by the English nickname
Speaker 4: of plugs. I think that's a shortened version of a
Speaker 4: Spanish word, and they control, They have the authority, and
Speaker 4: for the moment, they back the Duro, but they are already,
Speaker 4: according to my sources, in touch with the Chado and
Speaker 4: ready to switch if they think that Maduro is no
Speaker 4: longer going to be the flavor of the month in
Speaker 4: the rest of the Americas. And Maduro is probably looking
Speaker 4: for a way out, and so that's the first thing
Speaker 4: put the military around here threatened him. Hope that he
Speaker 4: will leave, hope that the plugs will switch their support
Speaker 4: to Machado and if not, possibly engineer something with CIA
Speaker 4: operations on the ground. Maschado is an interesting person, I mean,
Speaker 4: because she's completely confused the left wing because when Donald
Speaker 4: Trump didn't win his Nobel Peace Prize as she did,
Speaker 4: the left wing media in America was cocker, Oh, fantastic,
Speaker 4: this wonderful woman who is all for peace and democracy
Speaker 4: has run instead of Trump. Then they discovered she's actually
Speaker 4: right wing and a supporter of Trump. So now they're confused.
Speaker 4: But anyway, yes, they want to bring a Shado back.
Speaker 2: Do you see us getting involved in essentially in a
Speaker 2: war and a battle down there, because it has all
Speaker 2: the elements that right now arend to the guys of
Speaker 2: fighting narco terrorism, which is not the case. If this
Speaker 2: is about regime change, it's a whole nother thing. How
Speaker 2: does this play with Trump's base.
Speaker 4: Badly? I think that at the moment Trump may be
Speaker 4: suffering from the classic syndrome. And it's interesting that we
Speaker 4: were talking about Dick Cheney because Dick Cheney was the
Speaker 4: past masters, to say, the godfather of Neokon and unitary
Speaker 4: Presidency of presidential authority. He was also a past master,
Speaker 4: being the lapdog. He said whatever Bush wanted to hear. And
Speaker 4: at the moment, I think there's a problem in having
Speaker 4: too many people in the White House were loyal. The
Speaker 4: Trump isn't getting sensible advice and he's rather taking what's
Speaker 4: happened with Ukraine and Gaza. And he's done good work,
Speaker 4: there absolutely no doubt about it. But he's beginning to
Speaker 4: think he can do it anywhere, and he's rather forgetting
Speaker 4: his magabase. And they're not going to let him get
Speaker 4: involved in an out and out replay of Iraq or Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: They're not going to let it happen. So I think
Speaker 4: he's going to have problems. What I would see is
Speaker 4: if Madia doesn't leave just on the basis of threat,
Speaker 4: some sort of I'm not going to otherby use the
Speaker 4: word contrived, but I'll use it, some sort of contrived
Speaker 4: incident on the ground in Venezuela, CIA operatives made getting killed.
Speaker 4: What you will then see is a very short sharp
Speaker 4: air strike regime. And if that doesn't move the Duro,
Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure what happened Sace. I would be
Speaker 4: surprised to see American troops, mainstream troops on the ground
Speaker 4: in Venezuela. I think it would be more like Bosnia
Speaker 4: and severe strike. Oh man targets to scare the Durro rout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know we've seen this movie before time
Speaker 2: and time again. Right at some point, Hey, maybe it's
Speaker 2: now We're going to go into Venezuela and uh, okay,
Speaker 2: we're not going to do well. We got to do
Speaker 2: boots out of the ground, and now it ties up
Speaker 2: US resources and this frees up our rivals and that
Speaker 2: would be the mentioned nations we spoke of here, uh,
Speaker 2: to create more opportunities for them. And you know, at
Speaker 2: this point, then they start you can see it, right
Speaker 2: then they start funding a proxy war where Russia and
Speaker 2: China maybe a rand start arming the Venezuelan resistance like
Speaker 2: in Syria. And we've done this for the emptieth time.
Speaker 4: Well I mean, I mean, Scott, I will say is radio.
Speaker 4: It'stop television, so your listeners can't see. Although I'm giving
Speaker 4: you the run down, my head is gently resting on
Speaker 4: the desk saying what you're saying, which is, oh no,
Speaker 4: please not again.
Speaker 7: Really, come on.
Speaker 2: We get back, and it's a lady getting bogged down
Speaker 2: there like Russia did in Afghanistan, like we didn't erect it.
Speaker 2: That's probably what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: And more than that, there is this danger too. Putin
Speaker 4: and ISAs in Pin are fairly young by the standards
Speaker 4: of leaders of those societies, and they're not stupid. Peutin
Speaker 4: made great hay in the Nords with the invasion of
Speaker 4: Iran and Afghanistan, and he went into Georgia and Chechhnya
Speaker 4: and sorted that out. And every time anyone complained he said,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry you went into Iraq and Afghanistan because he
Speaker 4: said they were terrorists there who were threatening the national security. Well,
Speaker 4: they are Muslim terrorists in Chechen in Georgia threatening Russia.
Speaker 4: What's the difference. The danger is if we go into Venezuela.
Speaker 4: And the immediate danger I see, quite aside from Putant
Speaker 4: digging in over Ukraine, is that China might turn around
Speaker 4: and say, oh, well, we regard Taiwan right, and that's
Speaker 4: our backyard, So now why can't we do the same thing.
Speaker 4: Why can't we lawn chairs strikes against Taiwan. That's the danger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and without any you know, not that we're going
Speaker 2: to get us UN author The UN's kind of feckless
Speaker 2: at this point, or it's a joke, but you know,
Speaker 2: it's just in an under minds that moral authority we had,
Speaker 2: whether it's Taiwan or Ukraine for that matter, right, international
Speaker 2: rules go out the window and we're back to getting
Speaker 2: bogged down again. This is but Jeff Gilson, this whole
Speaker 2: thing's happening exactly the time when our global dominance is
Speaker 2: being threatened by these other countries. Is this a way
Speaker 2: of standing up and saying okay in a good break
Speaker 2: either way? Obviously too, we're reasserting our regional control over
Speaker 2: our backyard. But at the same time we risk exposing
Speaker 2: ourselves to the limits of our power in this new
Speaker 2: new world order.
Speaker 4: I agree, and I mean I'm observing reasonably even handedly.
Speaker 4: But you know, if if I'm a president and I've
Speaker 4: not been back in my second term for more, it's
Speaker 4: not even been a year yet, and I've gilded everything,
Speaker 4: and I've got a bit boring, and I run Washington,
Speaker 4: it is very very difficult scot and particularly you've not
Speaker 4: got people around you who are giving you alternative advice.
Speaker 4: It's very very difficult to stop and to you know,
Speaker 4: it's one thing it's difficult to self start. It's also
Speaker 4: difficult to self stop. And he's done a great job
Speaker 4: in Ukraine and Gaza. But the end result is stop
Speaker 4: what's going on and get out. And I don't think
Speaker 4: there's anyone there saying no, sir, you don't want to
Speaker 4: go into Venezuela. And this regard Marco Rubio is drenched
Speaker 4: in neo goon. There is absolutely no way he is.
Speaker 4: He is native Maga, he is a neogon, and he
Speaker 4: believes in controlling Latin America and in regime change. And
Speaker 4: that's the danger because interestingly, up again talking about Dick Cheney.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, Marco Rubio is probably the most powerful secret
Speaker 4: state at the moment since Henry Kissinger. And I think
Speaker 4: that there has been this deal done where y much
Speaker 4: Rubio can do what you want in Americas, and that's
Speaker 4: the danger. And I can say, Scott, I've written a
Speaker 4: book about strange intelligence activities and networks to go on
Speaker 4: for thirty years and powers behind the throne. I'm looking
Speaker 4: hard for something in Venezuela that we might be missing,
Speaker 4: and I've even looked into this strange attempted coup in
Speaker 4: the twenties. In twenty twenty called the Bay of Piglets interesting.
Speaker 7: I don't see it. Venezuela is a destroyed country.
Speaker 4: I know that Iran and China and Russia are in there,
Speaker 4: but it's like Casablanca in the forties, think the movie.
Speaker 7: I don't see what a frett it is.
Speaker 4: The Only thing I came across recently, beside from the
Speaker 4: oil says, is that Venezuela and along the north of
Speaker 4: Latin America and down the eastern seaboard of Latin America
Speaker 4: are huge positive rare earth minerals. We know that Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is looking to get a supply of rare earth minerals,
Speaker 4: but is it worth invasion if you're in this order.
Speaker 4: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything else.
Speaker 2: And oil obviously to oil rich countries that those but
Speaker 2: the rare earth animals minerals kind of jump off the
Speaker 2: page there and then the second we have left here, Jeff,
Speaker 2: most likely outcome is okay, full invasion. I don't know
Speaker 2: if we work with it's smart to do that, but
Speaker 2: he limited strikes and then you know, Russia and China
Speaker 2: can yell at us and threaten us, but they're not
Speaker 2: going to really do anything and then gradually we you know,
Speaker 2: get some assets in there, I suppose, but and then
Speaker 2: say victory, and it's like and the country just continues
Speaker 2: doing what they're doing.
Speaker 7: Well, I suspect something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the only thing I think working in favor of
Speaker 4: this is that, and this is probably a subject for
Speaker 4: a discussion amount the time, is that Russia and China
Speaker 4: are not as strong now as they were ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean economically spent the going of China for
Speaker 2: and foremost here, I think they're the biggest clear and
Speaker 2: present danger. Rush is all tied up with, you know,
Speaker 2: with a war, and you can dragging them down in
Speaker 2: Iran as obviously terrorists the biggest terrorst sponsor, but China
Speaker 2: is the biggest scared to us because it's lay in
Speaker 2: that long, slow economic bleed game. And I think that
Speaker 2: that's probably the biggest fear in this whole situation is
Speaker 2: how far China pushes back.
Speaker 4: Capitalism is the most democratic form of economy that you
Speaker 4: can have. I can tell you it may not be today,
Speaker 4: it may not be tomorrow, it may not be for
Speaker 4: the next fifty years. But if China genuinely introduces capitalism,
Speaker 4: which it has democracy has to follow, and that is
Speaker 4: what is plaguing China at the moment. It's an Asson
Speaker 4: p and he's having to pull back a bit because
Speaker 4: he's not got the leeway he used to have, which
Speaker 4: is why he's trying to impose more authority. We see
Speaker 4: the imposing authority as a strength.
Speaker 7: It's not.
Speaker 4: It's a weakness in my opinion, because the Chinese people
Speaker 4: want more and they want democracy. So he's actually got
Speaker 4: his own problems home. And of course Puton is nowhere
Speaker 4: near as strong as he was because the invasion of
Speaker 4: Ukraine has been a traumatic demonstration of just how useless
Speaker 4: is the Russian military.
Speaker 2: Jeff Gilson former speechwriter for the late Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher,
Speaker 2: also geopolitical expert and The Real Game with Venezuela. The
Speaker 2: Inside Game Here. Jeff, thanks for jumping on the show
Speaker 2: this morning.
Speaker 7: Hey, I'm going to come back, Yes, sir.
Speaker 2: We've got weather here and at least of the lunchtime
Speaker 2: hour anyway, full news and weather and traffic update and
Speaker 2: how that's affecting things in just four minutes here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred Wow. Then when I return, it's Mental Health Monday,
Speaker 2: our licensed mental health therapist Julie Headersh here is here.
Speaker 2: We will talk about the number one sign you see
Speaker 2: in as adult with childhood trauma. So, yeah, well, there's
Speaker 2: a kid. You know, you're traumatized quite frequently depending on
Speaker 2: your childhood. What is the number one thing that manifests
Speaker 2: itself later on in your adult life that goes back
Speaker 2: to your childhood. So'll get into that next on the
Speaker 2: show Scott's Loan seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 9: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here
Speaker 9: to help us get our heads right. This is Mental
Speaker 9: Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more than two thirds of children experience at least
Speaker 2: one traumatic event by the age of sixteen, so safe
Speaker 2: to say most of us have experienced some sort of
Speaker 2: a traumatic event. And I'd imagine this is not new.
Speaker 2: This goes back to our childhood, maybe even before some
Speaker 2: of these things were diagnosed. But there is an adult
Speaker 2: life all this stuff, you know, not always but often
Speaker 2: comes back to manifest itself on other forms. The number
Speaker 2: one sign of childhood trauma and adults is well, it's
Speaker 2: Julie Hattersh. Here's here with the answer. Here on seven
Speaker 2: hundred other Julie, good morning. How are you?
Speaker 5: Good morning? I'm fine.
Speaker 6: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm fine. The snow is flying. It makes me happy.
Speaker 2: But some people may be depressed by all this white
Speaker 2: stuff that's falling and soon melting. But uh, a little early.
Speaker 2: But I'm kind of writing in the Christmas spirit. I
Speaker 2: don't mind it.
Speaker 5: It kind of looks pretty, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: You're not stuck in it.
Speaker 5: Exactly, which we're not going to because I don't think
Speaker 5: there's going to be that much of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, well if you're in it now, I'm saying,
Speaker 2: all right, So yeah, it's typical. I think people have
Speaker 2: this reaction like, oh my god, it's all about your
Speaker 2: childhood and your bad parenting. But yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 2: think about the problems that we have in society, in
Speaker 2: the world for that matter. If we had a cure
Speaker 2: for parenting and everyone we're a good parent, we wouldn't
Speaker 2: have all the problems we have in the world, safe
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 10: I mean, there's a lot of ways to be a
Speaker 10: good parent, and there are some ways to screw things up,
Speaker 10: and even the most well meaning of us occasionally screw
Speaker 10: it up with our kids. And what we may think
Speaker 10: is a minor ish kind of thing to.
Speaker 5: Our kid may be kind of a big deal.
Speaker 10: But when we're talking about childhood trauma, we're talking about
Speaker 10: typically things that go on for a.
Speaker 5: Period of time.
Speaker 10: I mean, we all know the traumas of like you know,
Speaker 10: a car accident or a terrible thing like that.
Speaker 5: When we're talking about childhood trauma, we're typically talking about things.
Speaker 10: That go on for a period of time, like bullying
Speaker 10: in school, or having a parent who is volatile and difficult,
Speaker 10: or having a neglect in your home where you have
Speaker 10: food insecurity, things like that. Those are the kinds of
Speaker 10: things that we're talking about, right.
Speaker 2: But the number one sign of childhood trauma adults is what.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 10: I had clients send me this and I thought it
Speaker 10: was fascinating and I thought our listeners would maybe be
Speaker 10: interested in it. So apparently the number one sign of
Speaker 10: childhood trauma in adults is trying to make a difficult
Speaker 10: person be good to you, persistently, consistently trying to make
Speaker 10: someone who is difficult like you and be good to you,
Speaker 10: whether that's a friend, a family member, your boss, a coworker,
Speaker 10: somebody who is difficult, really trying hard, making it your
Speaker 10: mission to help to make that person be kind and
Speaker 10: be nice.
Speaker 5: And be good to you.
Speaker 2: People pleasing, people.
Speaker 10: Pleasing at an extraordinary level. Not just people pleasing in
Speaker 10: a normal way, because a lot of us do that
Speaker 10: and that isn't necessarily a sign of trauma, but taking
Speaker 10: the most difficult person you are encountering and working your
Speaker 10: butt off to try to make them be good to you,
Speaker 10: to try to make them.
Speaker 5: Like you and be kind to you.
Speaker 10: That level of people pleasing is, according to this researcher,
Speaker 10: the number one sign of childhood trauma in adulthood. And
Speaker 10: it was news to me, so I thought it might
Speaker 10: be news to everybody else.
Speaker 2: Interesting people might be interested in that context. Off, do
Speaker 2: you see this in your practice? When what does that
Speaker 2: pattern look like?
Speaker 10: In my practice, that looks like people who are in
Speaker 10: relationships with a particularly difficult partner, but they don't want
Speaker 10: to leave the relationship. They twist themselves into pretzel shapes
Speaker 10: to make their partner be kind to them, be nice
Speaker 10: to them, be good to them, be loving to them.
Speaker 10: Or people come in and they're doing that with their parents.
Speaker 10: They're twisting themselves into pretzel shapes to make the parents
Speaker 10: approve of them, to seek their validation to seek their love.
Speaker 10: So these are people who chase validation and approval and
Speaker 10: love from somebody.
Speaker 5: That's very, very hard to get it from. And we
Speaker 5: don't feel good about themselves unless they can.
Speaker 2: So we have the self esteem issue going on there too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and how does that how does that all start? I mean,
Speaker 2: does it get back to that concept they inner child?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's kind of a worn out trope,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't.
Speaker 5: It well, it does?
Speaker 10: I mean, we are all products of our upbringing. And
Speaker 10: although we don't like to look at our parents and
Speaker 10: blame them or hold them responsible for our shortcomings, we
Speaker 10: are very quick often to credit our parents with the
Speaker 10: things that.
Speaker 8: We do well in the world.
Speaker 5: I am who I am because of my dad, or
Speaker 5: I am who.
Speaker 10: I am because of my mom. And we are all
Speaker 10: products of our upbringing. So you know, my kids are
Speaker 10: of my raising them and their dad. Your kids are
Speaker 10: of you and your wife raising them. You are of
Speaker 10: your parents raising you. Also, our communities, our.
Speaker 5: Larger families, But we're all products of that. So it's
Speaker 5: not possible.
Speaker 10: To divest ourselves of that and to say only the
Speaker 10: good things come from my parents and the bad things
Speaker 10: are all on me.
Speaker 5: That's not the way it works.
Speaker 10: So if we are raised in circumstances that are uncertain, unpredictable, unsafe,
Speaker 10: we grow up believing that the world is uncertain, unpredictable,
Speaker 10: and unsafe, and we grow up with this model of
Speaker 10: trying to create certainty where there is uncertainty. So think
Speaker 10: about it in terms of you've got a really angry
Speaker 10: parent at home, parent who flies off the handle for
Speaker 10: no particular reason. In order to feel safe, you need
Speaker 10: that parent to be predictable and less volatile. So if
Speaker 10: you can make them like you, if you can make
Speaker 10: them be nice to you, if you can make them
Speaker 10: be good to you, then they are less volatile, less unpredictable,
Speaker 10: and you are safer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, makes sense.
Speaker 10: Okay, So we grow up with that model, and we
Speaker 10: continue to perpetuate in ourdult lives that same dynamic, often,
Speaker 10: in fact, most of the time without actually recognizing we're
Speaker 10: doing it.
Speaker 5: We just want.
Speaker 10: Everybody to like us. Well, we want everybody to like
Speaker 10: us or be nice to us, because if they like us,
Speaker 10: they won't hurt us. If they're nice to us, they
Speaker 10: won't be mean to us. If they like us and
Speaker 10: they're nice to us, we're safe and if they don't,
Speaker 10: then we're not. And that does come back to that
Speaker 10: inner child that we didn't actually get the safety and
Speaker 10: security we needed as a kid, and we're trying to
Speaker 10: find it again and again and again as an adult
Speaker 10: in other people.
Speaker 2: Right, And when that pattern keeps going in adulthood, it
Speaker 2: just establishes that self esteem thing, right.
Speaker 10: It does, because it's really difficult to feel good about
Speaker 10: yourself if your safety and security and well being are
Speaker 10: dependent on the most.
Speaker 5: Difficult person in the room.
Speaker 1: How do you fix it?
Speaker 10: Not well, knowing.
Speaker 5: It's there is the first step.
Speaker 10: Understanding that that is not the way the rest of
Speaker 10: other people in the world operate necessarily, and that there
Speaker 10: is a reason for it, and that there is something
Speaker 10: you can do about it. So recognizing it is the
Speaker 10: first step. And I think that's what was so interesting.
Speaker 10: This apparently went viral on TikTok, this conversation between this researcher,
Speaker 10: doctor Tian and doctor Romani Dvossola, who is that's a mouthful,
Speaker 10: who is an expert in narcissism, and she asked him
Speaker 10: the question, what's the.
Speaker 5: Number one sign?
Speaker 10: And he said, trying to make a difficult person be
Speaker 10: good to you, and that went viral on TikTok, so
Speaker 10: apparently it's resonated with a lot of people who see
Speaker 10: this pattern in themselves of trying to make difficult people
Speaker 10: be good to them. So recognizing it's there and then
Speaker 10: understanding how you can build your self esteem and self
Speaker 10: worth from the inside out. Sometimes that requires therapy. Sometimes
Speaker 10: just recognizing that you're doing it is enough for some people.
Speaker 10: Just recognizing, oh, I'm banging my head against this wall.
Speaker 10: I'm going to stop doing that and go do something else.
Speaker 10: Sometimes that's enough for people, just to recognize that that's
Speaker 10: not necessarily healthy or necessary.
Speaker 2: All right, and breaking that cycle's got to be tough,
Speaker 2: because you know you've been doing it ever since your child.
Speaker 10: Yes, it can be really difficult, and what makes it
Speaker 10: harder is that we tend to go out and search
Speaker 10: for relationships in our lives.
Speaker 5: And I'm not just talking about the people you marry.
Speaker 10: I'm talking about your friends or sometimes the people that
Speaker 10: you choose to work with. Are for we go out
Speaker 10: and choose relationships in our lives that mirror the relationships
Speaker 10: that we were raised with. So many people have a
Speaker 10: lot of difficult people in their lives, if they were
Speaker 10: raised with difficult people in their family, because that dynamic
Speaker 10: of I want to make you like me and be good
Speaker 10: to me is.
Speaker 5: What they're very familiar with.
Speaker 10: So for some people, it's not just one relationship they
Speaker 10: have to address, it's a number of different relationships that
Speaker 10: they're now recognizing they probably unconsciously chose because they repeat
Speaker 10: that familiar dynamic.
Speaker 2: All right, So what about the other person's relationship, And
Speaker 2: that'd be the one who is well, quote unquote the
Speaker 2: abuse your own state, it's an abuse. But the one
Speaker 2: who you have to walk around eggshells on what happened.
Speaker 10: On them, Well, oftentimes they go through life relatively unaware
Speaker 10: of the damage that they're causing, or feeling kind of
Speaker 10: entitled to cause that damage. I mean, I've spoken to
Speaker 10: so many people who raised their children using corporal punishment,
Speaker 10: and they feel perfectly entitled to do that. I've raised
Speaker 10: I've worked with a lot of people who are in
Speaker 10: relationships where they are the controlling or emotionally abusive one,
Speaker 10: and they feel perfectly entitled to do that. They see
Speaker 10: nothing wrong with their behavior. So oftentimes those people will
Speaker 10: go through the rest of their life feeling entitled to
Speaker 10: and perfectly justified in the way that they're behaving. And
Speaker 10: it's the other person's problem, which again makes it hard
Speaker 10: if you're the one on the receiving end of that,
Speaker 10: because you believe.
Speaker 5: What you're and I'm air quoting here.
Speaker 10: Abuser says that it's your fault. If you hadn't done X,
Speaker 10: they wouldn't have treated you that way. So if you
Speaker 10: don't do X again, they won't treat you that way.
Speaker 10: In a healthy person, that would be true. But in
Speaker 10: somebody who is not healthy, like in this case the abuser,
Speaker 10: they're going to continue to treat you badly.
Speaker 5: They're just going to find new reasons to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's an awfully difficult cycle to break, for sure.
Speaker 2: She's Julie hattersh here on the show this morning. It's
Speaker 2: mental health money in Sconsolan show. And the number one
Speaker 2: sign of childhood trauma and adults is trying to get
Speaker 2: difficult people to like us, to be good as people
Speaker 2: pleasers if you will too. And so it's a survival
Speaker 2: mechanism basic from childhood. And this is the number one
Speaker 2: biggest screw up that parents have. And I mean, if
Speaker 2: we know that now is there a hope that this
Speaker 2: ends at some point.
Speaker 1: I just did.
Speaker 2: I don't see. It's human nature, right, We're just going
Speaker 2: to have bad parents lead to bad decisions in life
Speaker 2: and lead to well a lot of the criseses we
Speaker 2: have today. But crime and everything else preventable by better parenting.
Speaker 10: Well, I think a lot of things are preventable by
Speaker 10: better parenting and better relationships in general, better relationships between siblings,
Speaker 10: between husbands and wives, or partners, between parents and children.
Speaker 10: But I want, I want to say it's not even
Speaker 10: just bad parenting. It's because I think when we say
Speaker 10: bad parents, we are inclined to think, well, my parents
Speaker 10: weren't bad.
Speaker 5: They did the best they could. They just didn't know
Speaker 5: any better.
Speaker 10: They didn't have a lot, they were stressed, they were frustrated.
Speaker 10: It's not just the parents intent to be a bad
Speaker 10: parent or not to be a good parent. It's the
Speaker 10: way the child receives it. It's what it feels like
Speaker 10: to the kid. So I'm going to give you a
Speaker 10: quick example. When I was married to my first husband,
Speaker 10: when we were raising our children, we made a decision
Speaker 10: that we thought was going to be great for the
Speaker 10: whole family. We really did, We carefull, we thought it through,
Speaker 10: we thought it was going to be great for the
Speaker 10: whole family. It was a really bad choice for my
Speaker 10: older son. He really had some challenges around that decision
Speaker 10: that we made. So we made a very careful, thoughtful
Speaker 10: decision that we thought was going to be good for
Speaker 10: the family, and it turned out not to be good for him.
Speaker 10: It can be things like that, things that as parents
Speaker 10: we think are the right choice for a kid and
Speaker 10: turns out because of how things worked out or because
Speaker 10: of who that child, is not the right choice for them,
Speaker 10: And it can be seen by the child and felt
Speaker 10: by the child as something traumatic.
Speaker 5: So when we say bad parents, I.
Speaker 10: Also want to say sometimes it's good parent making a
Speaker 10: choice that turns out not to be good for the
Speaker 10: kid in question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, part is like, you know, you're so hard on
Speaker 2: yourself as a parent. You're doing the right thing because
Speaker 2: there is no instruction manual, and it's a fluid world
Speaker 2: in which we live and things change, and of course
Speaker 2: there's you know, hormones and emotion a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: other factors involved here too. But generally, I think most
Speaker 2: parents try to do what's best by their kids. If
Speaker 2: you're some sort of psychopath or a complete narcissists a
Speaker 2: different story entirely, but by and large that's true. And
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, as a parent, how much guilt
Speaker 2: should you carry for these things?
Speaker 10: I think you should carry a responsibility, but not guilt.
Speaker 10: I think you should carry accountability, and I think you
Speaker 10: should take a look at what you were and were
Speaker 10: not able to do for your children. But I also
Speaker 10: want to take this outside the role of just parents
Speaker 10: and say it's a larger thing in the community. So
Speaker 10: racism and other kinds of discrimination can have huge impacts
Speaker 10: on young children. Violence, community violence if they live in
Speaker 10: a difficult, violence ridden community, or school violence, the school shootings,
Speaker 10: school bullying. There are things out religious abuse. There are
Speaker 10: things outside the nuclear family that come into play as well.
Speaker 10: It's not just mom and dad and grandma and grandpa.
Speaker 5: Who are influencers in kids' lives.
Speaker 10: It's their friends, it's their community, it's their coaches, it's
Speaker 10: their mentors, it's their teachers, and challenging circumstances in any
Speaker 10: of those can have a negative impact on the kid.
Speaker 10: Even if the nuclear family is pretty stable and solid
Speaker 10: and pretty put together, if.
Speaker 5: You're some larger ranging.
Speaker 2: If you're someone who in the pattern.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're trying to please difficult people, it's familiarity,
Speaker 2: it's low self esteem, and it's seeking validation. You tend
Speaker 2: to then choose your friends and the so based on
Speaker 2: that as well. You could have an abusive employer. You
Speaker 2: can have someone who takes a codependent neighbor, a friend
Speaker 2: who takes advantage of you constantly. You just set yourself
Speaker 2: for all of that, And then why are you so
Speaker 2: attracted to if it makes you miserable?
Speaker 10: Well, because it's familiar. So I know many people who
Speaker 10: were raised in difficult circumstances who purposely go to work
Speaker 10: for bosses that they know will be difficult. So these
Speaker 10: are people who had options to do other things and
Speaker 10: chose to work for a boss that they knew would
Speaker 10: be difficult because they could handle it. So other people
Speaker 10: might take a look at that boss who they believe
Speaker 10: will be very difficult and say, ohn need that stress
Speaker 10: and hassle in my life and peace out. But these
Speaker 10: people go toward that because they can handle it, because
Speaker 10: they know how to handle difficult people. That's the situation
Speaker 10: in which that would be a choice that somebody would
Speaker 10: make Oftentimes they choose people in their lives, friends or mates, partners,
Speaker 10: who represent or act like, or remind them of their
Speaker 10: more difficult family member, whoever it was, usually a parent,
Speaker 10: but not always, and so they can replicate and maybe
Speaker 10: come out on the top end, the winning end of
Speaker 10: that dynamic. So let's say you're a kid who could
Speaker 10: never get mom or dad to really pay attention to you.
Speaker 10: You were an escapegoat kid. Nobody paid attention to you.
Speaker 3: They didn't.
Speaker 5: They blamed you for all the bad.
Speaker 10: Stuff, paid no attention to the good stuff. You marry
Speaker 10: someone who treats you that same way, hoping that not consciously,
Speaker 10: this is subconsciously hoping that you can come out on
Speaker 10: the winning end, that they will value you, they will
Speaker 10: love you.
Speaker 5: You can feel it that way, and it usually.
Speaker 10: Doesn't doesn't work out there, all right, it usually doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Maybe you pick something up here and you know you
Speaker 2: can apply it to yourself to some degree. She's Julie.
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Speaker 2: Speak of the house Larry Householder, Remember that guy serving
Speaker 2: twenty years in the federal pen for his role in
Speaker 2: the sixty million dollar racketeering in bribery scheme. Remember he
Speaker 2: got money for supporting nuclear power plant ballots, coal power plants.
Speaker 2: That is the largest public corruption scandal in this history
Speaker 2: of the Buckeye State and the former state head of
Speaker 2: the GOP also in prison. Another conspirator killed himself. Two
Speaker 2: more awaiting trial. But there are some other charges out there,
Speaker 2: and as such, Ohio Secretary of State Franklin Rose criticized
Speaker 2: the Ohio Elections Commission for refusing to act on nearly
Speaker 2: eighty criminal campaign compliance related to this whole corruption scandal,
Speaker 2: and he joins the show now to discuss mister Secretary.
Speaker 2: Good morning, how are.
Speaker 1: You, hey, good morning.
Speaker 9: Well, and this is probably why the Ohio General Assembly
Speaker 9: has decided to get rid of the Ohio Election Commission
Speaker 9: as of the end of this year and replace it
Speaker 9: with something far better. But we can talk about.
Speaker 2: That too, all right, Well, let's play the timeline out
Speaker 2: on this thing here, because it's it's pretty disturbing.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So what happened was that, you know, when the
Speaker 9: initial charges were filed by the FBI, we were asked
Speaker 9: by the state and local authorities to get our complaint
Speaker 9: filed with the Ohio Elections Commission because they have to
Speaker 9: start things there if they're going to continue the process
Speaker 9: into the you know, into the courts. And so we
Speaker 9: went through the federal indictment. We found, well, these are
Speaker 9: federal crimes, but here are some state crimes that also
Speaker 9: occurred from the same evidence that have been gathered, and
Speaker 9: we filed gosh, I think it was well over one
Speaker 9: hundred complaints with the Ohio Elections Commission, which is you know,
Speaker 9: how the process begins. The problem is that was over
Speaker 9: five years ago, and they've continued to sit on these.
Speaker 9: You know, at one point they said, well, we got
Speaker 9: to wait until the federal trial was over. Well, okay,
Speaker 9: that was over a couple of years ago, So why
Speaker 9: didn't they keep moving? And the problem is also that
Speaker 9: there's a thing called statute of limitations, which basically means
Speaker 9: if the government doesn't act within a period of time,
Speaker 9: then you know, you're off the hook. And again, these
Speaker 9: aren't the necessarily the kind of things that put him
Speaker 9: in jail, but they are things like missing campaign finance deadlines,
Speaker 9: failure to disclose certain things. They are in fact crimes
Speaker 9: and they should in fact be prosecuted under Ohio's election laws.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a lot to unpacked there with a
Speaker 2: lot most people don't really pay attention to election law,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's obviously it's important. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, you, as the Secretary of State, do you
Speaker 2: have other tools or authority to escalate this matter once
Speaker 2: you saw that they were going to procrastinate and hold
Speaker 2: us up. I mean, why wait till the five year
Speaker 2: statute limitations is over?
Speaker 9: Yeah? No, not really, it's it's in the authority of
Speaker 9: the Ohio Elections Commission once we file it there. Other
Speaker 9: than you know, making noise about it, and we have
Speaker 9: been doing that, but it's really up to them Act,
Speaker 9: and that again is one of the things that's going
Speaker 9: to be fixed with the creation of the new Ohio
Speaker 9: Election Integrity Commission, which begins on January first, where we
Speaker 9: will have the ability, uh to work through that body
Speaker 9: to bring fines, for example, for a clear violation like
Speaker 9: failing to file a campaign finance report or failing to
Speaker 9: disclose certain things, and and so that will will help.
Speaker 9: But again, it feels like the Ohio Elections Commission is
Speaker 9: just punting this and and and essentially they know that
Speaker 9: we'll have the responsibility of running the Ohio Elections Integrity
Speaker 9: Commission starting in January, and they just don't want to
Speaker 9: deal with it, so they're punting it to us.
Speaker 2: The makeup of the commission, I believe it. It's three Republicans,
Speaker 2: three Democrats, one independent.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's how it's it's set up. And
Speaker 9: h you know, most of these too, aren't really a
Speaker 9: partisan thing. It's did the you know, did the person
Speaker 9: in question violate the law? And if you look at
Speaker 9: a lot of these, are you know, somebody again didn't
Speaker 9: file a campaign finance report, or they're not disclosing things
Speaker 9: they're supposed to disclose, or things like not putting a
Speaker 9: disclaimer on their advertisements, those kind of things, pretty simple stuff.
Speaker 8: Did you or did you not violate the law?
Speaker 2: Okay, but Franklin Rose, the criminel prosecution windows closed? What
Speaker 2: accountabilities left?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 2: If the statute of libitations are have hit and expired,
Speaker 2: then what's the point.
Speaker 9: Not in all cases, in some of the some of
Speaker 9: the complaints it has.
Speaker 8: In some of the complaints.
Speaker 9: That has not, and you know, in the ones where
Speaker 9: it has, they should just go ahead and dismiss it,
Speaker 9: of course, and on the ones where it hasn't, they.
Speaker 8: Should take action.
Speaker 9: And again, what we're talking about here in most cases
Speaker 9: is fines against the committee. But when a law is
Speaker 9: not enforced, it's not a law, it's a mere suggestion.
Speaker 9: And we want to make sure that people know in
Speaker 9: Ohio that when you break the law, it's going to
Speaker 9: be enforced.
Speaker 8: It's a de turn effect as well.
Speaker 9: People should know that we take election law violations seriously
Speaker 9: and that if you mess around, you'll find out.
Speaker 2: He's Secretary of State Franklin Rose in the show this
Speaker 2: morning and making some substant allegations against the Election Commission
Speaker 2: of Ohio that they are negligent and acting one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty criminal complaints at violent election law that simply
Speaker 2: have expired because the statute of limitations only five years.
Speaker 2: They've done nothing on what's the motive?
Speaker 9: Oh, I think just good old fashioned procrastination. I honestly,
Speaker 9: I don't think there's anything more nefarious than that. I
Speaker 9: think they don't want to deal with this because it's difficult.
Speaker 9: There's a particular problem with the guy who's the executive
Speaker 9: director there, who's a sort of well known footdragger, and
Speaker 9: the rest of the commission tends to take their cues
Speaker 9: from the director because the director is the full time
Speaker 9: staff expert who's on duty sort of, you know, five
Speaker 9: days a week there at the Elections Commission, and so
Speaker 9: the part time commission members that are ultimately responsible though,
Speaker 9: they're the ones that just sort of end up taking
Speaker 9: cues often from the director.
Speaker 8: And the director's been dragging his feet on this.
Speaker 9: He makes the excuse that they needed to hold off
Speaker 9: till the federal trial was done, and that happened a
Speaker 9: while ago, and I don't know why they haven't acted yet.
Speaker 2: What's the next step here? It's blowing up the election Commission.
Speaker 2: They're done at the end of the year, but what's
Speaker 2: the next step after that?
Speaker 9: Then, Well, starting January first, my office takes responsibility for
Speaker 9: what's called the Ohio Election Integrity Commission. It's a reconstituted
Speaker 9: form of the Ohio Elections Commission. It's going to be
Speaker 9: a much more responsible body, I can assure you, though,
Speaker 9: because we plan to keep things moving quickly through the process.
Speaker 9: We've planned to clear the backlog that exists right now,
Speaker 9: and we've planned to work on resolving the over one
Speaker 9: hundred million dollars in unpaid fines. I think about that,
Speaker 9: over one hundred million dollars of fines that have been
Speaker 9: accrued over the last gosh twenty years that nobody's paying,
Speaker 9: and let's be honest, probably sixty seventy percent of those
Speaker 9: at this point are uncollectable because the entities in question
Speaker 9: are defunct and people have died and moved away, whatever else.
Speaker 9: But that still leaves a large portion of those that
Speaker 9: are collectible, and we need to take enforcem an action
Speaker 9: to get those collected. So there's a whole lot of
Speaker 9: things that we need to do to tighten up the
Speaker 9: work of the Ohio Elections Commission, and that's why we
Speaker 9: completely scrapped it and we're revamping it in a whole
Speaker 9: new thing starting January first.
Speaker 2: Has a governor spoke a lot about this or anyone
Speaker 2: from the General Assembly, Well.
Speaker 9: The General Assembly are the ones that passed the bill
Speaker 9: to get rid of the Ohio election and take or
Speaker 9: Ohio Election Commission rather, And so yeah, they spoke out
Speaker 9: in that sense. The Attorney General also spoke out about
Speaker 9: this in a letter that he sent to the OEC
Speaker 9: this week or last week rather, because he had been
Speaker 9: part of the effort to compile these complaints against.
Speaker 8: The householder at all.
Speaker 9: And so yeah, pretty much everybody that's looked at this
Speaker 9: is how is it possible that these guys have not
Speaker 9: acted in five years of time just sitting on.
Speaker 2: This, and yet it's not the biggest stories it should be.
Speaker 8: I don't think it is.
Speaker 9: And again that's why I was glad that you called
Speaker 9: me up protected me over the last couple of days
Speaker 9: and said, hey, would you come on the show talk
Speaker 9: about it, because it is something people need to know about. Again,
Speaker 9: it's about effective enforcement of the law. Yeah, householders in prison.
Speaker 9: He's going to be for a long time. Several of
Speaker 9: the other folks involved have paid the penalty that they
Speaker 9: need to pay. But this is about making sure that
Speaker 9: when laws are violated that there are penalties for doing that.
Speaker 9: And yet maybe not as serious as the federal charges
Speaker 9: that he faced and is now in prison for, but
Speaker 9: still serious matters again failure to disclose, failure to file
Speaker 9: campaign finance reports, all of the campaign finance shenanigans that
Speaker 9: he was engaged in. These are the charges for that,
Speaker 9: and again there need to be penalties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the federal crimes of course of embezzlement and alike,
Speaker 2: people are paying a price. That utlist goes to the
Speaker 2: trial of that, and we know that First Energy paid
Speaker 2: substantial fines as well to make that go away. But
Speaker 2: you know, there's the campaign finance law nuance that you're
Speaker 2: talking about here, and that goes unchecked. That just gives
Speaker 2: license for other elected officials or those people seeking office
Speaker 2: to do whatever all they want if we're not going
Speaker 2: to enforce the laws.
Speaker 8: And that's the problem. Again.
Speaker 9: We believe in transparency and disclosure. It's kind of a
Speaker 9: foundational thing as it relates to campaigns. The public wants
Speaker 9: to know how are you raising money for your campaign
Speaker 9: and on what are you spending it? Those are things
Speaker 9: that you know my office is responsible for However, the
Speaker 9: Election Commission is responsible for enforcing it. And therein lies
Speaker 9: the problem. And that's why once we we created the
Speaker 9: new Election Integrity Commission that starts January first, we're going
Speaker 9: to have much more of what in the military we
Speaker 9: called unity of command, where we can focus on these matters,
Speaker 9: do the investigations that we need to do, levy the
Speaker 9: fines that need to be levied, and then of course
Speaker 9: if somebody doesn't like that, they always have the appeal
Speaker 9: to go into the court system. Really, what this all
Speaker 9: is is the intermediary step before it goes into into
Speaker 9: the court system. But again, we should be able to
Speaker 9: resolve a lot of these things. Hey, you didn't pay
Speaker 9: your or, you didn't disclose your campaign spending, you didn't
Speaker 9: designate a treasure before you started raising money, you didn't
Speaker 9: put a disclaimer on your on your television ads.
Speaker 8: What have you.
Speaker 9: We should be able to resolve a lot of that
Speaker 9: stuff without it going to the course.
Speaker 8: And that's the whole point of this.
Speaker 2: Explain how how you think that's not just more than
Speaker 2: sound like we're just changing one element of bureaucracy out
Speaker 2: for another. Because you know, the largest it's the largest
Speaker 2: corruption scheme in the history of Ohio and it's been
Speaker 2: going on for years. The statute of limitations expired on
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, and that shows suggests to me
Speaker 2: there's problems beyond just one director or a panelist or
Speaker 2: whatever you call the commission. How does this change this?
Speaker 9: You know, accountability matters, and this is why we have
Speaker 9: a system of government where we elect people and then
Speaker 9: hold them accountable to do a job. And if they
Speaker 9: want to get re elected or you know, continue on
Speaker 9: in public service, they have to do a good job, right, Okay,
Speaker 9: basic civics.
Speaker 8: One O one kind of thing.
Speaker 9: The problem with some of these state commissions is that
Speaker 9: they don't exist in a way that is transparent or public.
Speaker 9: Most people didn't know that the Ohio Election Commission existed
Speaker 9: unless you were at some point of candidate for public
Speaker 9: office yourself. By rolling it into the Secretary of State's office,
Speaker 9: which is the way it is in most other states.
Speaker 9: And this is really putting it putting us in line
Speaker 9: with the majority of other states. You've got an accountable
Speaker 9: public official, somebody that has to stand in front of
Speaker 9: the public and answer for the work they do. That
Speaker 9: is going to be running this, but you also have
Speaker 9: that bipartisan body that will be actually adjudicated the decisions,
Speaker 9: and so it's a good model. The secretary of State's
Speaker 9: office will house it as far as the administrative work
Speaker 9: and keeping the trains running on time. But before a
Speaker 9: fine can be levied, it's got to go in front
Speaker 9: of the Commission for a vote. And again that's a
Speaker 9: bipartisan body that'll have to make those decisions. So you've
Speaker 9: got the due process that needs to be there, but
Speaker 9: you've also got the accountability of putting it within the
Speaker 9: Secretary of State's office. And again, anybody that sits in
Speaker 9: this seat should be held accountable by the voters.
Speaker 8: If they don't do it.
Speaker 2: There's just another hearing, and I think they kick the
Speaker 2: can down the road for the unseen time over number
Speaker 2: of years. You would have a conversation with the director
Speaker 2: or the chair. What would there excuse be about all
Speaker 2: this or any member of the committee for them.
Speaker 9: Yeah that the At first it was that the federal
Speaker 9: trial had not concluded. Okay, I guess that's fine. I
Speaker 9: don't think no, I guess on a parallel basis. But
Speaker 9: then it was, well, he hasn't exhausted all of his appeals. Well,
Speaker 9: for heaven's sakes, appeals can go on endlessly, as you know,
Speaker 9: and so waiting for there to be some end of
Speaker 9: the appeals, like eventually it goes all the way to
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court or something is a fool's errand and
Speaker 9: so once the once the federal trial was done, and
Speaker 9: you know, they should have taken action. But again, this
Speaker 9: is a group that's been expert at kicking the can
Speaker 9: down the road and kind of pointing the finger somebody
Speaker 9: else's problem and what have you. That ends effective January person.
Speaker 2: All right, So the one hundred and eighty complaints that
Speaker 2: you foiled in the last five years. Now the statute limitations,
Speaker 2: is this just Householder's office or how many lawmakers and
Speaker 2: are caught.
Speaker 3: Up in us?
Speaker 9: No, I mean it lays out who the person is
Speaker 9: that we're complaining against. Most of them were Larry Householder
Speaker 9: because he's the one responsible for his committee. And again
Speaker 9: it's uh, it goes through you know, everything from failure
Speaker 9: to uh disclosed, to failure to designate a treasure to
Speaker 9: not putting the proper disclaimer on things, to misuse of
Speaker 9: funds when you raise campaign dollars. You're supposed to use
Speaker 9: them for your campaign, right, not for other things, right,
Speaker 9: And so you know all over the list of them. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 9: exactly so, And again you can see all that stuffy
Speaker 9: by going to the Ohio Election Commission website where they
Speaker 9: posted our complaint that we filed over five years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there and there it's it's well, they'll disbanded
Speaker 2: and started all over.
Speaker 3: In general.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you are any of these charges that do they
Speaker 2: all fit in that five year time frame for statute limitations?
Speaker 2: Are there ones we've discovered since and have longer or
Speaker 2: they simply all expired at this point.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a question for a lawyer, and I'm not
Speaker 9: one to be very honest, but I do know that
Speaker 9: there are different statutes of limitations and so some have
Speaker 9: run out, some have not at this point. But but again,
Speaker 9: time is of the essence to get the to get
Speaker 9: the decks cleared on this. And again I think that
Speaker 9: the Ohio Elections Commission has used this as Hey, we
Speaker 9: fold up our tent starting January first, and so we're
Speaker 9: gonna pump this hot potato off to the next guys. Well,
Speaker 9: all right, once it's once it's our responsibility. We're gonna
Speaker 9: take it very seriously and move with alacrity.
Speaker 2: Was this the impetus to get rid of this commission?
Speaker 9: No, not, not, not solely. It was hundreds of things
Speaker 9: over the years, and you know, from just not moving
Speaker 9: fast enough, to being in some cases weaponized for for
Speaker 9: people playing politics. In other cases just sort of disparate treatment.
Speaker 9: One person gets a slap on the wrist and the
Speaker 9: other one gets the books thrown at them. There's been
Speaker 9: a whole variety of place. But the biggest thing is
Speaker 9: failure to collect their fines. Right again, remember this happened
Speaker 9: in the state budget, and the state budget is what
Speaker 9: eliminated this and replaced it with the new Election Integrity Commission.
Speaker 9: And so when the state Legislature was looking at, okay,
Speaker 9: the Election Commission needs money to operate this biennium, why
Speaker 9: don't they collect their fines because there again is nearly
Speaker 9: one hundred million dollars in outstanding five It's just it
Speaker 9: shows how ineffective they are, and and it's just one
Speaker 9: of the many examples for why we needed to get
Speaker 9: rid of it.
Speaker 2: All right, he is Frank LaRose on the show Secretary
Speaker 2: of State what's next for you?
Speaker 8: I'm heading to a Veteran's Day ceremony. Do you mean politically, Yeah,
Speaker 8: you know, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to go probably launch after the show, but that's
Speaker 2: what politically now, I'm I.
Speaker 9: Am running for Auditor of State of Ohio. I'm genuinely
Speaker 9: excited about it. It's a platform that a lot of
Speaker 9: people don't think about the Auditor Office. I get that,
Speaker 9: but it is a platform to do great things for Ohio.
Speaker 9: It's the top watchdog for public corruptions. Sounds familiar, Yeah,
Speaker 9: any local or state officials that are lining their own pockets,
Speaker 9: that's the Auditor's job to catch them and make sure
Speaker 9: they face justice. But it's also Ohio Doge. It was,
Speaker 9: you know, it's the efficiency Office before there was Doge
Speaker 9: and maybe a slightly different approach, but you know, it's
Speaker 9: the office that's responsible for making sure that government runs efficiently.
Speaker 9: And news flash, government doesn't always run efficiently, so there's
Speaker 9: a lot of work that needs to be done there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ohio needs Doze desperately because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: fat on the bone and a lot of areas, so
Speaker 2: maybe you can clean that up. All right, Franklin Ross,
Speaker 2: thanks so much. For jo on the show.
Speaker 8: Good luck with that, thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: Take care be well, yeah, I mean clearly he's running
Speaker 2: for auditor and wants to come atcross as a reformist
Speaker 2: and you fighting against the institution. It's good, plays well,
Speaker 2: it plays well. But yeah, five years and now after
Speaker 2: the limitations are like, well, we can't do any about
Speaker 2: it because it expired, and I didn't ere much from
Speaker 2: the governor the General Assembly on this one. Frank Lrose
Speaker 2: bringing up after the fact. But you know, that's frustrating
Speaker 2: because if you're now this is it's obviously a bipartisan committee,
Speaker 2: pretty right down the middle, you know, three three and one.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, as much as we complain
Speaker 2: about and Republicans love to talk about law and order,
Speaker 2: this seems like an easy one, and yet it goes
Speaker 2: by the wayside, and it's frustrating. Right, our government not
Speaker 2: working for us now me and you, hell, we get
Speaker 2: the book thrown ass, we get to you. This is
Speaker 2: like I don't know them going now, We're not going
Speaker 2: to write speeding tickets anywhere I sent to These are
Speaker 2: speeding tickets for the political process. Then those laws exist
Speaker 2: for a reason, either you enforce them or you don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you could get away with turning
Speaker 2: the blind eye towards it, quite honestly, and this is
Speaker 2: why approval for all lawmakers from the top on down
Speaker 2: are at an all time low. Scott's Loan Show seven
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Speaker 2: watched it home and we're cheering on the Orange and Blue.
Speaker 2: They beat Columbus to one in the deciding game thro
Speaker 2: around Brenner's goal in the final minutes of regulation. Here's
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Speaker 2: It was such an ex I watched it at home
Speaker 2: with my wife and we were screaming. It was so exciting,
Speaker 2: And I would argue it's the best sports product in
Speaker 2: Cincinnati right now, save maybe the UC Bearcat.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I think it's a fair argument. How you doing good
Speaker 11: to be here with you, happy to chat steel. My
Speaker 11: heart pumping a little bit after that one on Saturday night,
Speaker 11: and I think you know, if you saw reactions of
Speaker 11: people in their living room, if you saw Pete, reactions
Speaker 11: of people in the bailey, anywhere in the stadium, the
Speaker 11: coach is Kevin and myself in the booth, probably staff
Speaker 11: throughout the building wherever they're stationed, those reactions are probably
Speaker 11: indicative of kind of two years of emotions building up,
Speaker 11: going all the way back to that conference final in
Speaker 11: which Columbus came back to win and broke.
Speaker 1: The hearts of everybody here in the Queen City.
Speaker 11: So listen, you're the two seeds. You're supposed to win
Speaker 11: the series, but it wasn't easy. That Columbus team way
Speaker 11: better than the seventh seed or what you would expect.
Speaker 1: We knew it was gonna be one heck of a battle.
Speaker 11: And in the end, Thatchcontaty proved to be the better
Speaker 11: team and get it, I think in really impressive fashion
Speaker 11: with the way that they were able to come from behind.
Speaker 11: And in the second half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the first ten minutes I'm watching and
Speaker 2: it seemed like the fields lopside in favor of Columbus,
Speaker 2: saying zero's year. At the half, it's a nil nil.
Speaker 2: And when FC when Columbus scored, I actually cheered and
Speaker 2: my wife's look at me, you know that's not Cincinnati. No,
Speaker 2: Because the way they were playing, it seemed to me
Speaker 2: that you needed Columbus to do something to get them rally,
Speaker 2: to make them feel like they're backs against the wall,
Speaker 2: and they did, because they tied it up about four
Speaker 2: minutes later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, backs, we're squarely against the wall.
Speaker 11: And I think a lot of hard stones, a lot
Speaker 11: of stomachs turned inside out in that moment, being down
Speaker 11: at home and look at ce Cincinnati had lost their
Speaker 11: last seven games the seas In.
Speaker 1: When conceding the first goal.
Speaker 11: The great Patrick O'Leary and the Comics Department of put
Speaker 11: the set out afterwards. I think it's only the fourth
Speaker 11: time since the club joined Major League doctor that they've
Speaker 11: conceded the first goal in the second half and won
Speaker 11: a game. So think about that. All the odds in
Speaker 11: the world stacked against him. But moments later it literally, yeah,
Speaker 11: four minutes, but probably two minutes of game time because
Speaker 11: they looked at that Columbus go for a long time.
Speaker 11: Because for my money, I'm pretty sure Columbus was offside
Speaker 11: Andre Herrera making that run up the right time, because
Speaker 11: he was right in front of us, literally right in
Speaker 11: front of our booth, and I was pretty sure he's
Speaker 11: off that. But listen and Patt Newton made a point
Speaker 11: afterwards like there's nothing.
Speaker 8: You could do.
Speaker 11: If the restaurant has change it, the vaar is not
Speaker 11: going to step in.
Speaker 1: Then you got to play.
Speaker 11: And FC Cincinnati didn't mope around, they didn't feel start
Speaker 11: for themselves. They got right back to it. Renner equalizes
Speaker 11: the game. Then we come to find out that that
Speaker 11: Pat Nowton had called Brenner over and told him he
Speaker 11: was coming out of the game, and Brenner begged him,
Speaker 11: you know, let me stay in.
Speaker 1: I got another one in me, And boy did he ever.
Speaker 2: He sure did, He sure did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It just felt to me like FC needed something to
Speaker 2: get him going at home like that and back against
Speaker 2: the wall. I was like, you know, after they scored,
Speaker 2: my good because you know, that's the wake up call
Speaker 2: they needed otherwise you lose. And sure enough they answered,
Speaker 2: and then of course in the waning minutes of regulation
Speaker 2: they scored the go ahead goal and that was, by
Speaker 2: the way, minutes stopage time. Tommy explain how that is
Speaker 2: very uncommon.
Speaker 1: Somebody has a faulty stopwatch as.
Speaker 11: Far as I'm concerned, because when that number went up,
Speaker 11: like what, I didn't show this on the boot camp,
Speaker 11: but Kevin and I just looked at each other like
Speaker 11: what do you mean nine minutes to stop at time?
Speaker 11: They got agregious and yeah, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 11: know where he got it from because there was a
Speaker 11: couple of little injuries. I mean there was They never
Speaker 11: went to the monitor, so I don't know how they possibly.
Speaker 11: You know, there wasn't a lot of bookings. I don't
Speaker 11: know where he got nine minutes from, but boy he did,
Speaker 11: and and those nine minutes fell like nine hours. There
Speaker 11: really was as a second kicked off to get to
Speaker 11: that full time whistle because obviously Columbus, with their life
Speaker 11: on the line, they're throwing everything at it, creating chances.
Speaker 11: Roman had to make, you know, one big stave in there.
Speaker 11: So yeah, it was a little bit of a chaotic
Speaker 11: stretch there.
Speaker 1: And that nine minutes was was shocking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you're new to soccer, so how it works.
Speaker 2: The clock runs and then they dictate, Okay, if someone
Speaker 2: goes down with an injury, there's a stoppage, I add
Speaker 2: all those minutes up and then put it at the end.
Speaker 2: And it's always a running clock. And you know, I've
Speaker 2: watched a number of well most of the games this season,
Speaker 2: and you can attest to this, Tommy. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like sometimes you know, two minutes maybe a four or five.
Speaker 2: Nine is like, I don't know if I've seen.
Speaker 3: That this year.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I think we had a game at
Speaker 11: some point that was ten or eleven minutes maybe.
Speaker 1: But there was a reason. You know, there's a big injury.
Speaker 11: There's a lot of bookings, there's a video review that
Speaker 11: takes three or four minutes. There was some science behind it. Man,
Speaker 11: it didn't feel like there was any times behind this one.
Speaker 1: It was it was shocking to say the least. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we did.
Speaker 11: We were shaking our heads and holding our breaths for
Speaker 11: nine minutes to get to the full time with.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine had Columbus in that nine minute score
Speaker 2: to tied it up and it goes to a shoot.
Speaker 2: I mean, we would say, okay, there's a curse. There's
Speaker 2: a curse, right, We're cursed.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it would have been uh, I may have gotten
Speaker 11: sick in the booth.
Speaker 1: Who knows.
Speaker 11: That would have been Uh, that'd have been a very
Speaker 11: very concerning situation.
Speaker 1: Fortunately we didn't have to talk about that.
Speaker 11: Nothing but nothing but sun shine after that one, But man,
Speaker 11: it was Yeah. I think I think if I was
Speaker 11: talking to a couple, a couple of family members of
Speaker 11: the coaches afterwards, and they were talking about how many
Speaker 11: years they were thinking got shaved off their life across.
Speaker 1: That ninety minute plus nine affair. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a Tommy g Voice of FC Cincinnati
Speaker 2: on to face Lionel Messi in or Miami in two weeks.
Speaker 2: That seems like a long time between matches.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 11: Uh, it's the you know, unfortunate reality of the way
Speaker 11: the Major League Soccer schedules stacked up as it stands
Speaker 11: right now.
Speaker 1: You know, with the playoff break, we have.
Speaker 11: An international break here coming up next weekend, so a
Speaker 11: lot of guys are going out on international do So
Speaker 11: you can't imagine playing Miami and not having Miles Robinson,
Speaker 11: not av in Rominton Tonnel, not having teenager Davy you know,
Speaker 11: guys who have been called into the national teams regularly.
Speaker 11: So you know that that's the concern.
Speaker 1: That's why I take the break.
Speaker 11: But you're right, you lose kind of some momentum because
Speaker 11: you're sitting here, all right, let's go, let's get after it.
Speaker 11: But they got a couple of bumps and bruises, so
Speaker 11: let's look at.
Speaker 1: The other side of it.
Speaker 11: We'll have a couple of guys who will be able
Speaker 11: to get some needed rest, get healthy or healthier for
Speaker 11: that matchup.
Speaker 1: And and you look out the window right now, I
Speaker 1: hope the.
Speaker 11: Weather is just like this from that game when the
Speaker 11: boys from.
Speaker 1: Miami show up. You know, that would be nice.
Speaker 11: I hope, I hope there's some snow blowing through the
Speaker 11: stadium that it's you know, a solid twenty nine degrees
Speaker 11: a kick off good and and those boys from Florida
Speaker 11: want anything but to get back on that warm bus.
Speaker 2: My Bills got roughed up by the Dolphins yesterday. Yesterday
Speaker 2: I watched that game. You come from the cold weather
Speaker 2: and you play where it's ninety degrees. It looks like
Speaker 2: they're running through quicksand for most of the game, and
Speaker 2: they're good for one of those wins down there like that.
Speaker 2: Every couple of years against my Bills, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: And they come up when they come up north here
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati. You know, a couple of inches of the
Speaker 2: snow or cold weather. Good good. It's turned about his
Speaker 2: fair play and you got Leonal Messi come out of town,
Speaker 2: which is going to bring the international media along. Is
Speaker 2: always the cases, so a lot of pressure there. Would
Speaker 2: you have rather had Nashville than Miami.
Speaker 11: You know, listening on paper, probably Nashville is an easier matchup.
Speaker 11: But and I think you know a team that f
Speaker 11: Shecincentni has handled well this year, But come on, bring
Speaker 11: it like you want to be the best in the league.
Speaker 11: You got to beat the best, and they're one of
Speaker 11: the best. Tied with fccon NADDY in the regular season
Speaker 11: on points, but she Cincinni.
Speaker 1: Had more wins so that's why this game is here
Speaker 1: and not there.
Speaker 11: So I say, bring it on, like you want to
Speaker 11: avenge out the lost that you contain lost, you know
Speaker 11: in the US Open Cup semifinals to Messy and Miami
Speaker 11: and twenty twenty three. So let's let's let's let's go.
Speaker 11: You can avenge another you know lost.
Speaker 1: In that building and uh, you know.
Speaker 11: See what lies ahead of that, whether that's you know,
Speaker 11: Philadelphia and you got to go on the road or
Speaker 11: New York City at home in the conference final. But no,
Speaker 11: I think ter Stay has matched up well against Miami
Speaker 11: at t qu Stadium.
Speaker 1: So bringing on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so fun to watch too, with especially
Speaker 2: slaying that dragon and beating Columbus two to one on
Speaker 2: Saturday to advance of this whole thing as well. You
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier Roman Celatano when he had well, I think
Speaker 2: four saves in the game, but at least two of
Speaker 2: those things were absolutely massive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, big big moments.
Speaker 11: Uh you know, playoff playoff Roman is so impressive. He's
Speaker 11: been so good now, twelve playoff games in his career. Yeah,
Speaker 11: he's just been really, really good and for a fourth
Speaker 11: year pro. That's all he knows is the playoffs and
Speaker 11: he's crushed it. So that's great when you know you
Speaker 11: have a reliable goalkeeper in those situation, that's a big,
Speaker 11: big bonus for the squad.
Speaker 2: You know, Brenner gets that one. And in his story
Speaker 2: is interesting too because he is with the team from
Speaker 2: Saint Paulo and then he comes back and he's transferred
Speaker 2: back to an Italian club and he missed the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three playoff run Columbus eliminating Cincinnati Eastern Conference, so
Speaker 2: ials remember that as well. His his comeback story is amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 11: You know, he left under not so great terms, you
Speaker 11: know when he when he took off for Italy and Una,
Speaker 11: you know, early in the twenty twenty three season after
Speaker 11: having a really good twenty twenty two season, And you know,
Speaker 11: if you had told me then that he was going
Speaker 11: to be back in scoring a brace against Columbus to
Speaker 11: help that f she since any advance in the twenty
Speaker 11: twenty five playoffs, probably would have told you're crazy. But
Speaker 11: you know, some fences were mended, and he certainly seems
Speaker 11: more mature and that there's been quite a bit of
Speaker 11: growth in the two and a half years since he
Speaker 11: was here.
Speaker 1: Previously. So you know, I give a credit to Brenner.
Speaker 11: I give a credit I know Jeff Berding was big
Speaker 11: and building the break, Chris Albright and Pat Noonan for
Speaker 11: being open minded to all right, we could bring this
Speaker 11: guy in and it's gonna be different than when he left.
Speaker 1: And he's been so good in the short.
Speaker 11: Amount of time that he's been back with the team
Speaker 11: and obviously scored the two goals to help s C.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati win on Saturday Night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the foresight of Chris Albrough to to do that
Speaker 2: to get him back for the postseason was pretty smart.
Speaker 11: Yeah. I mean, listen, he knew that there were some
Speaker 11: holes in the roster and that they needed to be addressed.
Speaker 1: They brought in a couple of teching players.
Speaker 11: They brought in Sammy Geede who's been fantastic in the
Speaker 11: defensive midfield, and they started all three.
Speaker 1: Games against Columbus.
Speaker 11: You know, they addressed their needs, brought it into at
Speaker 11: Schnik in additional outside talent who's looked amazing. So yeah,
Speaker 11: I give Chris a lot of credit. He nailed all
Speaker 11: of his summer targets and they's put this team in
Speaker 11: a position to succeed and compete for.
Speaker 1: MLS Cup, which is ultimate goal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he also obviously have to talk about your coach,
Speaker 2: Pat Noonan, but he pulled Yankey out of the game
Speaker 2: for Jabbari. At the end, I'm like, oh man, why
Speaker 2: are you taking him out? That's the guy. And then
Speaker 2: it turns out that was the absolute correct decision.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I was.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's not it's easy to sit in your seat
Speaker 1: on my seat and say, hey, are you sure.
Speaker 11: About this one, coach, But he's paid to make those
Speaker 11: decisions right, and listen, There'll be times in life that
Speaker 11: that they're not executed perfectly, but this one was.
Speaker 1: He had a feeling right.
Speaker 11: And that's how you have to manage these games as
Speaker 11: the head coach, and you live and die with those decisions.
Speaker 11: But he felt like the fresh legs of au Jubori
Speaker 11: would be helpful to size and we saw that in
Speaker 11: being able to pull that ball down in the box,
Speaker 11: which that ends up setting up that game winning goal.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And after the of course, the blowout in game two,
Speaker 2: setting up Game three as it were back in TQL Stadium,
Speaker 2: storybook ending for the club as they advanced to inter
Speaker 2: Miami in two weeks after international tests. How far can
Speaker 2: this club go realistically?
Speaker 11: I mean they have all the pieces on him and
Speaker 11: just serious to win MLS Cup. I've been saying that
Speaker 11: for since August when they brought in. You don't address
Speaker 11: the needs like we just talked about, It's not gonna
Speaker 11: be easy because look, you're gonna take on Messi and
Speaker 11: his best friends and enter Miami. But that game is here, Okay,
Speaker 11: big advantage. Then you turn around and you potentially have
Speaker 11: to go to Philadelphia. You know, doptin Pointsville on the way.
Speaker 11: Otherwise that game would have been in Cincinnati. Philadelphia deserve
Speaker 11: a champ of the Supporter Shield, So if they win,
Speaker 11: if they beat New York City, then that game will
Speaker 11: be on the road. But if it's New York City,
Speaker 11: it's here. But that's been a team that day, very
Speaker 11: super golt time with this year. Listen, we'll worry about
Speaker 11: that when we get there. But they got to win
Speaker 11: three more to lift MLS Cup. And we know MLS
Speaker 11: Cup final would be n TQL Stadium, which is beautiful,
Speaker 11: So uh, that's.
Speaker 1: Not far off. Is it gonna be easy? Absolutely not.
Speaker 11: No matter who they play on the way out, it's
Speaker 11: going to be a really really difficult challenge.
Speaker 1: But it's a playoffs, it should be a really difficult right.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not going to be a cakewalk, but there's
Speaker 11: no question they have the coach, they have the staff,
Speaker 11: and they have all the pieces.
Speaker 1: That they need to win MLS Cup.
Speaker 11: Now it's a matter of going out and executing.
Speaker 2: It for three more games, all right, twenty first, I
Speaker 2: believe right before Christmas twenty twenty third, I've seen multiple
Speaker 2: dates on this.
Speaker 11: No, No, MLS Cup is a Saturday, Okay, December Day, Yeah,
Speaker 11: that's Saturday, all right, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Well regardless, you'll be there. Tommy, Hey, thanks for jumping on.
Speaker 2: Let's thanks for jumping on, brother, appreciate you enjoyed that
Speaker 2: call a lot. That is Tommy G. Voice of the
Speaker 2: FC Cincinnati Club advancing. Great call, almost as good as
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