1 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 2 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: You are listening to Let's Garden, Scott Berlin. I'm here 3 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: with my good friend Mark Wessel Mark. How you doing today? 4 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Doing well? Scott? 5 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: Thank you. 6 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention a few future guests that 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: are coming up. 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 4: Uh. 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: I'm very excited about Joseph Takanovic, one of my favorite 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: people and a great, great horticulturist, and it's done some 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: really cool stuff, no doubt. Kelly Norris will be coming. 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: Does a lot of naturalistic designs and gardening out mostly 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: out in in the Plain States. 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: I guess right, Son off a flower show this Yeah, you. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: Went a bunch of stuff and he did last year 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: as well, Jeff being the author of the Gravel Garden, which. 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Is coming out in June. 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: And also uh, he's done the design work at the 19 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Epic Campus up in Madison, which is phenomenal something that 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: more people need to be aware of. But right now 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: we have one of my favorite people and one of 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: the best horticulturists I know. We have bre Arthur on 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: the line. 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 4: Brie, how are you well, Good morning, y'all, how are 25 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,279 Speaker 4: you you're y'all? 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: You gave us that Southern y'all. You're you're a Michigander. 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 5: You know. 28 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 4: I'm celebrating my twenty fourth year in Raleigh, North Carolina. 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. You feel right at home there, too, don't you. 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: I am officially a Southerner. 31 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, very. 32 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: I'm just going to recap for everybody out there that 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: you man, you are a good horticulturist. She went to 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: Purdue for horticulture and landskay design. You've worked all over 35 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: the place, lots of boutique nurseries that's not really the 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: right word, but specialty nurseries, doing a lot of propagation. 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: You've worked for. 38 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 2: Estates and then what was it, twenty seventeen. I can't 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: believe this. It's been that long that you wrote The 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: Foodscape Revolution, and even twenty nineteen for your book Gardening 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: with Greens. That seems way too long ago too. 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 4: It's time is a funny thing, isn't it. 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: It's a horrible thing, a horrible thing. 44 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 4: I was just listening. I was in Texas this week 45 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 4: and they were reading my bio and I was like, ooh, 46 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 4: I need to update that. I'm coming close to thirty 47 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: years in the industry. 48 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but if you just leave twenty on 49 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: there and use the old picture, you know, is that 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: really really a problem? And you also, I mean, you're 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: out there a lot, You do a lot of talks, 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: and you're in fact coming to the zoo, the Incame 53 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: Zoo and Botanical Garden in August to speak for us. 54 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. 55 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 4: We're excited, very excited to do that. Yes, you know, 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 4: I'm in year twelve of self employment. Another milestone that 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: you know, this was sort of an unintentional career transition 58 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 4: that it turns out I really enjoy. I love the 59 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 4: side of consumer communications, being able to express the value 60 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: of horticulture and home gardening to audiences really anyone that 61 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: will listen to me. 62 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: You pretty much mastered it. 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: You know, you got the YouTube channel to Breathe the 64 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: plant lady that's out there. 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: You do a lot of talks. 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: And one thing I like about you a lot is 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: unlike a lot of influencers and wade into this just carefully, 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: but unlike a lot of them, have you come with 69 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 2: the cred You have the experience to provide really good 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: horticultural information along with the excitement and the energy and 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: the skills. 72 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: I appreciate that very much. You know, I don't like 73 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: to call myself an influencer because that. 74 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: Horrible for me. 75 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 4: I'm like, I've worked hard to be a horticulturalist. 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 5: You know, this is a that's a real job title. 77 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 4: And as I have been mentoring some younger people who 78 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: are going through, you know, kind of career transitions at 79 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: different stages, I keep encouraging them to really lean into 80 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: that title because it isn't necessarily where you work. 81 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 5: It's what you do, and it's sort of really who 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 5: you are. You all both know this. 83 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 4: We're not necessarily well adjusted people working in horticulture. Like 84 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: my whole life revolves around plants. That feels like that's 85 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: what the term horticulturalists and bodies. 86 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: It's a definition horticulture is not well and well adjusted 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: person who likes to play with plants. 88 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's your main goal in life. 89 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you try to keep it together, but usually you don't. 90 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: That's true. 91 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 6: Yeah. 92 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 4: I found that you're better not to try and act 93 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 4: like you're well adjusted because people see through it really quickly. 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: Mark you hit something, well, I was thinking about that 95 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: very thing. I was thinking, what do I do besides horticulture? Well, 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: I mean all of nature, but other than that, I 97 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: don't like Collex stamps or have any other hobbies. 98 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: No, if you're at a party and there's nobody that 99 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: knows horticulture, you just stamp by yourself. 100 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 101 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 4: See, I make it a point to only hang out 102 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: with plant people. That's why when you were announcing all 103 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: your future guests, and they're all my best friends. 104 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: Without a doubt. Yeah, it's a it's a good circle 105 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: to be in. And yeah, the more you can be 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: in it, the better. 107 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 4: I have found that the true that is absolutely accurate. 108 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 5: We need each other. 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: You won an award from the American Horticultural Society was 110 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: for the first Emergent Well, it was the first Emerging 111 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: Horticultural Professional Award for your efforts and connecting a new 112 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: generation to the art of gardening. I find that, Well, 113 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 2: I've heard bits and pieces about what you've been doing 114 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: with that, and I mean it's such an important thing 115 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 2: for us to do. What are you doing with you know, 116 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: connecting kids to growing plants? 117 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's it's long been something that you know, 118 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: coming up in this industry for years. People, many baby boomers, 119 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 4: thought that the industry was going to die with them, 120 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: and they would frequently. 121 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 5: Come to me and be like, what are we going 122 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 5: to do and it was like. 123 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 4: The Royal we you know, what are you going to 124 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 4: do to get more people interested in horticulture? And you know, 125 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: initially I just started this group called Emergent on Facebook 126 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 4: that was really just intended to help connect other young 127 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 4: professionals because we weren't having the opportunity to meet in person. 128 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 4: You know a lot of times when you're early in 129 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: your career, your employers don't necessarily invest in you, so 130 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 4: you don't have the opportunities for professional development to attend meetings, 131 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: and you know, leave your job and recognize that there's 132 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 4: this enormous industry that you aren't in a vacuum. And 133 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: that free Facebook group was really intended just to make 134 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: it so that people could connect with their peers and 135 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: and you know, have have no expense opportunity to network. 136 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: And you know, that was the early days of Facebook 137 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: when admittedly it was a lot more fun to be 138 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 4: on social media. Yeah, full of ads and just sort 139 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: of like negativity. Facebook in twenty twenty six is a 140 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 4: very different experience than Facebook in twenty twelve. 141 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: I remember going to it. 142 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: I remember going to a couple of those events, Yeah, 143 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: Emergent parties, I did not know that you were the 144 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: force behind those. Those are more fantastic and it was 145 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: great to see the younger people in the industry get involved. 146 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: And you're right, I mean, when you're paying your dues 147 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 2: at that level, you know of your career and maybe 148 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: you're just propagating plants all day long or you're you know, 149 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: doing these tasks and that's your job, it's easy not 150 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: to see that there's a whole world beyond. And once 151 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: you get past that stage of paying your dues that 152 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: you can go anywhere in this industry. It's pretty amazing, 153 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: and it's a great, great, you know, group of companies 154 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: and you know, a great career to be in. 155 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 5: That's so accurate. 156 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, for me, International Plant Production Society 157 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: IPPs was the group that I went to first in 158 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: college and realized, Okay, you aren't as weird as you 159 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 4: thought you were. 160 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 5: There are other people like you. 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: And you know, I've always wanted to make sure that 162 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 4: younger people entering the industry recognize there are all these 163 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 4: associations that you can find your people in, and you know, 164 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: once you've established that network, it really makes what you 165 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: do day to day feel so much more meaningful and 166 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 4: when you have challenges, there's people to go to that 167 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: can help answer your questions. And so, you know, being 168 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: a steward of IPPs has. 169 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,479 Speaker 5: Been really important. 170 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: And now my focus is really encouraging my adult audiences 171 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 4: to reach out to children of any age and get 172 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 4: the excited about growing. And I do that very specifically 173 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 4: through food crops. 174 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that. Let's talk about that next one. 175 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: We when we get back from our break, we have 176 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: to take one. So uh yeah, we'll hit that as 177 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: soon as we get back. You're listening to Let's Garden 178 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: with Scott Berline. 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Refresh your routine today 214 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 6: at jawscleans dot com. 215 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Scott Berlin. I'm here with Mark Wessel 216 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: and on the line we have bre Arthur, author of 217 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: The Foodscape Revolution and Gardening with Grains and much, much, 218 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: much more. We were talking about getting kids excited about 219 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: gardening when we left. Let's pick right back up with 220 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 2: that Breede. What are you thinking. 221 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 4: Well, we're in potato season here and I have found 222 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: the potatoes are absolutely the gateway to saying children excited 223 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: about working in the garden. 224 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: So planting potatoes with kids, that's how you do it. 225 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 4: You know, it's one of their favorite activities. 226 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 5: It's fun and easy. 227 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 4: We do them in pots. You can grow them, of 228 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 4: course in the ground. You know, now is the time 229 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 4: where they're growing really actively, and so there's this great 230 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: engagement that as the stems elongate, you keep adding more 231 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 4: composts to be able to increase that harvest. 232 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 5: So it's a fun sort of. 233 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 4: Combination of science and almost magic. You know, when they 234 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: harvest those potatoes, they feel like like they have a superpower, 235 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: and you know, then they start to realize that every 236 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 4: single plant, every plant on the on the planet, you know, 237 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 4: from trees to flowers to the stuff that's on their 238 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 4: dinner plate, is all part of that. And it's really 239 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,479 Speaker 4: incredible to see, you know, how one thing can stimulate 240 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: such such a an appreciation for things that so many 241 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: people take for granted. I'm really happy to say my 242 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: first lovingly call him my child laborer, Aiden, who started 243 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 4: off as a potato grower, is graduating high school and 244 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: plants to study horticulture at NC State now. So there's 245 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: something really there's something really remarkable about getting kids started 246 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 4: early and how that can really change their future. 247 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 6: Uh. 248 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 3: The Zoo brought in the what was he the Gangster 249 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: for a talk and you know, one of the most 250 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 3: important things that he said, besides all the curse words, 251 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: bow language. He says, get your kid's hands in the dirt, 252 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: and that goes back to your point there. Just get 253 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: them in the dirt at an early age doing something 254 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: and you'll hook them. 255 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: What age groups are you working with? 256 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 4: Mostly Bri, I mean, I like when they're like six 257 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 4: and over that way they will they can really like retain, 258 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: retain the instructions and follow through. 259 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 5: Really, my favorite age groups are like eight to twelve. 260 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: They can work independently. They are very time motivated. We 261 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 4: were laughing last night that one time Aiden had gotten 262 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: to nearly thirty thousand steps putting out molt in the garden. 263 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: Every were like, oh, you have to have a round numbers. 264 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 4: We had them like run around the house a few times. 265 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 5: You know. It's funny. You send them home exhausted. 266 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: And the parents are like, oh, take them every moment that. 267 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: You can, without a doubt with Potatoes are an interesting 268 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: group of earth, an interesting plant to use for this 269 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: because it's cheap and there is magic in it. And 270 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: taking part of a potato and just putting it in 271 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: the ground and from that, Yeah. 272 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: It's curious how I've seen other root crops and chant kids. 273 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: I think part of it's that unearthing and like carrots 274 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: and radishes, little kids be just totally enchanted and thrilled 275 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: with pulling them out of the ground. 276 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: Oh without hesitation. You know, we've gotten really excited about 277 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 4: planting things that you can buy from the grocery store. 278 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's especially for getting new people into gardening. 279 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 4: Garden centers can be very intimidating. You know, you walk 280 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 4: in and there's so many options. 281 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 5: And if you don't know specifically. 282 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: What you're looking for, it can be overwhelming. But grocery 283 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 4: stores most people have encountered in some point in their life. 284 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 5: And so we've. 285 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 4: Done some experiments growing not just potatoes from the store, 286 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 4: but you know, garlic and turmeric and ginger and all. 287 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: Of those straight from the produce section. 288 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: Fascinating to watch, and you know, you have like fifty 289 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 4: nine cents invested and at the end of the season. 290 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 5: You have something that's really grown. 291 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: It's been beautiful all summer. It's an easy plant to 292 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 4: grow in a container, and so I love those simple 293 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 4: touch points that kind of break down some of the 294 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 4: barriers to really get new people who might be intimidated 295 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 4: by the process more excited and well feel like it's 296 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 4: it's not an unapproachable hobby. 297 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: I'm just visually visualizing the excitement of these kids when 298 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 2: they go home with potatoes. They grew the excitement. It 299 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 2: must be really really rewarding the watch. 300 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: It's a remarkable thing, and you know when they're like 301 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 4: researching recipes and I think, you know, in Aiden's case, 302 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 4: he went to school after the harvest and really shared 303 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 4: his French fry growing experience with the other second graders 304 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 4: and it was one of the first times that he 305 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 4: had ever had the courage to stand in front of 306 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 4: the class and actually speak. And you know, he has 307 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 4: a speech impediment, and so it was something that his 308 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: teacher was so proud to see. 309 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 5: That it really empowered him. 310 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: And you know, I think there's so many experiences that 311 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: gardening can provide that allows the next generation to feel 312 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: extra intelligent because there's so many people that don't actually 313 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: know where food comes from, and you know, something that 314 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 4: everyone should be aware of. I mean, I use rice 315 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: as an example in a lot of my programming because 316 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 4: nearly everyone and every audience I've spoken to is eating rites, 317 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 4: but very few people have ever seen it growing or 318 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 4: grown it themselves. And again, it's a very easy plant 319 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 4: to grow is do it in a pot with no 320 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: drainage holes, which is basically every plastic pot that blows 321 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 4: in home depot cells. So again, it's an accessible point 322 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 4: and you know it's it grows all summer. 323 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 5: It's absolutely exquisite. 324 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 4: And it's not that you're going to grow enough rice 325 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 4: to never buy it again. It's that you've grown something 326 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 4: that you've never done. Yeah, and then it increases your 327 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 4: appreciation for the accessibility. 328 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: That's the cool thing about your Gardening with Grains book, 329 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: is I really, you know, enjoyed seeing how ornamental some 330 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: of these grains and other plants are and how nicely 331 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: they work in a landscape. 332 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 4: They are so beautiful. Everyone should try gardening with grains 333 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 4: at some point in their life. 334 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: Can we talk about that more when we come back. 335 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: Can you stay another fifteen minutes? Absolutely, that's fantastic. Yeah, 336 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: we are talking with Brie Arthur. 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Brie, 363 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 2: we were talking about, well, let's talk about your books. 364 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: We were talking a little bit about gardening with grains 365 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: and how fun that is, And you're right, I never 366 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: saw rice growing in in agriculture until last year driving 367 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 2: through Arkansas. It's not something they grow up here very 368 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: often or at all. But it's a beautiful plant, and yeah, 369 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 2: it's cool to include in your garden along with wheat 370 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: and some of these other other things. 371 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 4: Well, it really is. You know, when I had written 372 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 4: my first book, to Foodscape Revolution, you know, it really 373 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: focused on traditional vegetables that everybody's familiar with. 374 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 5: But your diet doesn't. 375 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 4: Necessarily revolve around you know, basil, right, I mean, it's 376 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: a great thing to have, but that's not really where 377 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: your your base caloric intake is coming from. And so 378 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 4: I started thinking more critically about, you know, what can 379 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 4: I grow that actually would meaningfully change some of my 380 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: grocery store habits. And that's where grains really came in 381 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 4: as an important component. And you know, I mean I 382 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 4: live in the suburbs. I thought, you know, I don't 383 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: have a tractor, Like, how am I supposed to grow 384 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 4: field crops. Well, it turns out quite easily. I devoted 385 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 4: eight hundred and fifty square feet of a bed that 386 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 4: just had some small trees planted in it, and I 387 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: connected those those tree wells together. And I was actually 388 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 4: inspired by a garden at Chanticleer up in Philadelphia. They 389 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 4: have a border called the Serpentine Garden where they you know, 390 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 4: they incorporate agricultural crops and they rotate them with regularity 391 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: for soil improvement. 392 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 5: And I thought, well, I should do that. 393 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 4: I live in a former tobacco field. I have very 394 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 4: very poor soils here. I'm spending tons of money on 395 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 4: off site substrates. 396 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 5: Why not grow something that would. 397 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 4: Improve my soil that I could also you know, use 398 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 4: in a meaningful way. And I ended up harvesting twenty 399 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: five pounds of ground flour from my front yard. Really, 400 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 4: it really changed my perspective on the power of a 401 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 4: suburban landscape. 402 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 5: You know, every. 403 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 4: Neighbor in my If my neighborhood did this, we could 404 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 4: supply thousands of pounds of local organic flour for our 405 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: local bakery. Right now, none of that is coming from 406 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: even a North Carolina grower. Most of the grains that 407 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 4: are consumed in America coming from out west, and so 408 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 4: it really made me think more critically about where what 409 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 4: could we be doing in the suburbs to take better 410 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: advantage of these sprawling lawns, these irrigation systems that already 411 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 4: exist to actually support local agriculture. 412 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: And you can do this without making your yard look 413 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: like a farm, right absolutely. 414 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 4: I mean this was, you know, an eight hundred square 415 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: foot bed surrounded by turf, and what ended up happening 416 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 4: is not only did the neighbors embrace it, but you 417 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 4: know when that whet turned amber, everyone came over and 418 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 4: they wanted their mother's dave pictures in front of it, 419 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 4: and so you know, it's a beautiful display. It was 420 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 4: meaningful in the sense that, you know, I harvested a 421 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 4: lot of flour to be able to use and it's 422 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 4: a great talking point to get people thinking about it. 423 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 4: The following year, I used barley, and you know that 424 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 4: was really my mission with gardening with grains was to 425 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 4: engage millennials through the idea of you can grow your 426 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: own beer. 427 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: Now you're talking Scott's slang. 428 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 2: Now I'm interested, But that was kind of part of 429 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: your whole of your first book, Foodscape Revolution, was you know, 430 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: including vegetable plants into ornamental beds, which is not that 431 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: hard to do. 432 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 5: No, it's so easy. 433 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: It's almost like too easy, so people can't do it right. 434 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: It's too logical, you know. Really the idea. 435 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 5: Behind food scaping is that when you. 436 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 4: Engage the ornamental landscape, you have better capacity to crop rotate, 437 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 4: so you're not growing the same plant in the same 438 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 4: space because you have more square. 439 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 5: Footage to work with. 440 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 4: And you know, when you have an isolated raised bed, 441 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 4: it's impossible to rotate your crop season by season. And 442 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 4: you know, vegetables aren't diverse, so you unintentionally create monocultures. 443 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: And that's where food scaping you are utilizing the ornamental 444 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 4: plants for the diversity, and it really makes the whole 445 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 4: process so much easier and way less maintenance. Anybody that 446 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 4: says vegetable gardening is low maintenance is a liar. 447 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: Does anybody say that hopeful? 448 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's funny. I hear it from kind to. 449 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 8: Hot and I'm like. 450 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: The hardest, hardest kind of you know, there's not that 451 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 2: there are a few plants as pretty is some of 452 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: the charge set are out there. 453 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: It's so easy to work into a bed. 454 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 5: Well, that's exactly true. 455 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 4: And in containers, and you know, I often encourage people 456 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 4: to start food scaping by just incorporating vegetables in their 457 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 4: ornamental containers and then they won't feel overwhelmed by the harvest. 458 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 4: What I've seen in particularly during the pandemic, it's not 459 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 4: the growing that people get overwhelmed by. It's the harvesting 460 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 4: and processing. And so be really critical in your thinking 461 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 4: about what do you actually eat and focus on growing 462 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 4: that instead of growing a little bit of everything and 463 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 4: then feeling overwhelmed at the end of the season. 464 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, Brie, I always encourage people to start small because 465 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I've been at it a long time and 466 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 3: I'm still refining because there's always too much. I don't 467 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: mind throwing things in the compost or giving them away 468 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: so much, but boy, it just makes extra work for you. 469 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 5: Well, it does. 470 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 4: And anything that discourages someone could lead them to not 471 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 4: devoting all their time and energy to horticulture. And that's 472 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 4: what I don't want to have happen. So you know, 473 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 4: really it all goes hand in hand showing people that 474 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 4: if you don't eat it, it's okay to compost it, 475 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: because that's still a regenerative aspect of gardening. 476 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 5: It's you know, it. 477 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: Returns to the earth and in the long haul it 478 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 4: you know, makes it so that you have more organic 479 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 4: matter entering your beds to improve your soil. And you know, 480 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: there's just so many different aspects of gardening that are 481 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 4: so i think fascinating and it's really fun when you 482 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: see people sort of hone in on one thing that 483 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: they become, you know, hyper focused on and you know, 484 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 4: can develop sort of an expertise in. I considered myself 485 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: a jack of all trades, master of none, and so 486 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 4: every time I walk outside there's some new thing that 487 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 4: I can get distracted by. That's really the power of gardening. 488 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that you are expecting a great poppy 489 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 2: display this year, Is that right? 490 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 5: I am. 491 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 4: I was quite discouraged early on in the season, and 492 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 4: I'm quite candid in my YouTube videos where I was like, 493 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 4: oh my. 494 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 9: Gosh, it's going to be a disaster and we are very, 495 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 9: very dry and this is. Honestly, this is the driest 496 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 9: spring that I've ever experienced in my twenty four years here, 497 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 9: and it doesn't make me look forward to the summer 498 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 9: because you know, North Carolina summers are brutal. 499 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 4: But I did start watering very early, running sprinklers as 500 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 4: early as February, which I've never done before. Wow. And 501 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: as a result of that extra water, the poppies and 502 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 4: all the cottage garden plants, larkspur, Nigella, coleengula, lots and 503 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: lots of spring vegetables, they've really grown with with so 504 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 4: much vigor that I'm very encouraged that my spring open Garden, 505 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 4: which is on Saturday, May night, is going to be 506 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 4: the Mother's Day display of the region. 507 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: There you go high aspirations, but that's yeah, fantastic. I've 508 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 2: seen photos of your of your of your garden and 509 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: your your open garden days, and uh, it's it looks 510 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 2: fantastic about it. 511 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 4: It's a really fun, free event, you know, again trying 512 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 4: to get people to come and see what they can 513 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 4: do from scattering seeds. 514 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 6: Yeah. 515 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: The great thing about those the plants you mentioned is 516 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: they're just they grow and put on this just showstopping event. 517 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: And then they're done and you get to move on 518 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: to something else in that bed. 519 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 5: That's exactly right. 520 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I love annuals personally because I like to 521 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 4: re engage the ground plane. And I love that no 522 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 4: two years will ever look the same, even when I try, 523 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 4: because the annuals are always going to be changing, and 524 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 4: the colors are different and the textures, and I just 525 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: I never get bored when I'm able to, you know, 526 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 4: scatter some seeds and it truly embodies the hope springs eternal. 527 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about. 528 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: It's fun to be a different artist every year, a 529 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: little bit with annuals too. We're going to wrap it 530 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: up here, breathe with something you mentioned in your email. 531 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: I thought it was a great comment about not rushing 532 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: the season. 533 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 4: Yes, and I'm sure this happens everywhere, and it's it's 534 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 4: especially true here in the Southeast. You know, spring is 535 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 4: a US season of magic, but also of temperature fluctuation. 536 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 4: So don't rush getting your tomatoes and peppers and eggplants 537 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 4: put out. 538 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 5: While the soil is still cold. 539 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 4: Lean into spring, grow another round of spring crops, and 540 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 4: wait until the appropriate time. I can't stress this enough, 541 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 4: because we aren't necessarily out of the woods with you know, 542 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 4: upcoming cold spells, and there's no point in going to 543 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 4: the effort of trying to cover these things that aren't 544 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 4: tolerant of temperatures in the thirties and forties. So grow 545 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 4: more broccoli, everybody, and wait, wait to get those tomatoes 546 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 4: and other summer vegetables planted when it's the appropriate time. 547 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: Makes a lot around here. 548 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: It's going to be hard. Yes, it's been a lot 549 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 3: of eighty degrees and we're way ahead of schedule and 550 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 3: people are getting nancy, But it's it's two. 551 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: Week forecast because we've we've got temperatures next week going 552 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 4: back to being more moderate. Last week we were ninety 553 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 4: on Friday and then thirty four on Saturday. Yeah, that's 554 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 4: not the season to trust. 555 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 5: This is a season. 556 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 4: This is the season of being like, let's let's be 557 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 4: a bit more controlled and grow the plants that tolerate 558 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 4: the temperature fluctuations. 559 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Brie, it's been great talking to you. I hope 560 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 2: you'll come back sometime soon. Wish you all the luck 561 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 2: with your How what's the best way for people to 562 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: take in all that you do? Is it the YouTube channel? 563 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: Do you think Breathe the Plant. 564 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 4: Lit YouTube is great on Breathe the Plant Lady on 565 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 4: YouTube and Instagram, and then Facebook is Bree Grows. 566 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 5: That's my business name. 567 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can. 568 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 4: Follow me online and always happily sharing my successes but 569 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 4: more importantly my failures. 570 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: That's right, that's how you learn. That is keeps you grounded, 571 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 2: too well brite. Thanks again, we'll talk to you soon. 572 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 2: Hopefully you're listening to Scott Berlin. Let's guarden with Scott 573 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 2: Berlin and I am Scott Berlin. 574 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a couple of minutes. 575 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 6: Bet you're tired of dealing with messy paint and varnish removers. 576 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 6: Meet Smart Strip Advance from Demond Global, the powerful low 577 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 6: odor paint remover their professionals and serious di wires been 578 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 6: using for over forty years. Smart Strip Advance cuts through 579 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 6: multiple layers of paint and varnish without harsh fumes or mess. 580 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 6: It stays wet longer for easier lifting, won't flash dry, 581 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 6: and works on wood, metal, concrete. 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Maybe one of these days, 597 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: n behind you. 598 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 2: One of these days I will get used to putting 599 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: so much energy into this and maybe I'll relax into it. 600 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: But not yet. 601 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 2: You know what time it is, Mark, it's home improvement time. 602 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: Time to talk to Gary Sullivan. Gary saved me for myself. 603 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 6: There are days like that. Don't worry about it. The 604 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 6: tulips are up. 605 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah they are. They're all past peak. 606 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 6: You know. 607 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: It's it's it's early this year. 608 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 6: Well, you know what, everything's early, isn't it. 609 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 610 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 6: I mean I'm looking at some of the trees and 611 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 6: my backyard and stuff, and you know there, you know 612 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 6: a lot of these trees are starting to leaf out 613 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 6: for sure. 614 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 3: We were just talking about that. 615 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: It has Mark worried. 616 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I. 617 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 6: Don't think that was the case last year. It was 618 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 6: almost like late April, if I'm not mistaken. 619 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a little bit reminding me of was 620 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: it two thousand and seven or even Yeah, yeah, in May. Uh, well, 621 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 2: it wasn't quite May. It was we had warm weather 622 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 2: through February, March and April, and then well mid April 623 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: we got into the twenties for a week and it's 624 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 2: daytime twenties, and everything had leafed out and everything got defoliated. 625 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 6: Yeah. I lost a beautiful, beautiful Japanese And knew you were. 626 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,280 Speaker 1: Gonna say Japanese April because they took it really hard. 627 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 6: That year, and it was right against the north wall 628 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 6: of the house, so it was protected from wind and 629 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 6: it pushed out its second set of leaves. But it 630 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 6: was probably within five years that was it. And that 631 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 6: was probably a twenty year old tree. When it died, 632 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 6: it was beautiful tree there. You're just talking about that 633 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 6: the other night, is that right? Yeah? 634 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: Maple Japanese maples are unique in that they don't have 635 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 2: many secondary bunds buds, so if they flush out and 636 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 2: they have their their flesh out, they're kind of playing 637 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 2: their full hand, right, and you know, if they get hit, 638 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: you might get lucky with a few secondary buds that 639 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 2: kind of carry on and maybe restored the tree in 640 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 2: a couple of years. But without you know, that's what 641 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: we have to live with with these erratic springs. 642 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 6: Right. I got a couple service berries on, you know, 643 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 6: different mounds, and I'll tell you what. They are absolutely 644 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 6: gorgeous all last week. And now I see the little 645 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,800 Speaker 6: green foolige popping out or you know, and I'm going like, oh. 646 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 2: Boy, well the ten day doesn't look too bad. I 647 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 2: think there were a few nights in the thirties nothing 648 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 2: below frost, I don't think. So that gets us ten 649 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 2: more days, you know, out there, right, So hopefully we 650 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 2: just cross your fingers and hope we stay steady a 651 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: little bit. 652 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 6: So what what happens then? I mean, is it just 653 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 6: the when they lose their leaves, they can't produce food, 654 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 6: so they quick growing. I mean, are all trees that 655 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 6: have the same susceptibility or you know, like the maples 656 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 6: you mentioned, the Japanese maples, they're they're vulnerable to that. 657 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 2: Right They their natural range is in a very stable 658 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 2: region with you know, maritime climate where the springs come 659 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 2: in easy and gentle and they don't eradicate, you know, 660 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 2: they're not a ratic between lows and high temperatures and 661 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 2: go back and forth. So they're you know, evolved to 662 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: handle just a nice smooth spring here. Our native plants 663 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 2: are used to this crazy weather that we have, so 664 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 2: they have secondary buds. First of all, they don't usually 665 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 2: butt out until, you know, much later than a lot 666 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 2: of the plants that come from you know, coastal ranges. 667 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 2: So you know, first of all, they don't leave out 668 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 2: early generally speaking, and if they do, they tend to 669 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 2: have a little bit of a more resistance to cold. 670 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 2: And then if they really get zapped and they lose 671 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 2: all their leaves, they have the secondary buds that can 672 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 2: flush out again. Of course, it costs the plant that 673 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: much energy to refoliate, but at least they have foliage 674 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 2: for the season to get energy from. 675 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, not much we can do. 676 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 2: No, you try to choose your plants wisely, limit yourself 677 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: to maybe just you know, maybe not a yard full 678 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 2: of Japanese, maybe some of these things, so you don't 679 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 2: pay dearly. If we have a bad spring, sure, try 680 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 2: to mix it up. 681 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 6: So all the toolips you have down at the zoo, 682 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 6: and they're beautiful, why don't you tell some people about that? 683 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 6: Because and are there predators that eat I don't know. 684 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 6: I have a problem with rabbits at our house. 685 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I plant. 686 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 6: Tulips, I don't know a few years ago. I don't 687 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,760 Speaker 6: know if there's one standing left. 688 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: Right. 689 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 2: They're not good for growing around here, generally speaking, the 690 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,439 Speaker 2: soil isn't quite right. Deer and rabbits deer loverable. Yeah, 691 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 2: deli tilips right down to the ground. We can grow 692 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand of them successfully at the zoo because 693 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 2: number one, we replant every year, so it's for that 694 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 2: one display. 695 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: Then we come in with annuals and then plan again. 696 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 2: Squirrels like the bulbs, we have to watch out for 697 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 2: the squirrels. We have to actually net our beds over 698 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 2: winter to keep the squirrels from eating all of them, 699 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 2: but we also have you know, because we're a zoo, 700 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 2: we have an eight foot USDA fence around around the 701 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 2: zoo that keeps. 702 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,719 Speaker 1: The deer year out. 703 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and then of course maybe the scent 704 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 2: of lions has something to do with keeping them away. 705 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: Do you let the lions prowl around just to keep. 706 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 2: I know you're unfortunately you can't really walk the lions 707 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 2: around the zoo, but yeah, impoor. 708 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 6: Coyotes, you know, we don't. 709 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: I think the defence keeps coyotes out, but we do 710 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 2: see it occasionally. 711 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: Are some foxes? Oh kind of neat? Yeah, yeah, all right. 712 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 6: I guess we're all like every growing season, there's always 713 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 6: some great growing seasons. There's always a little bit of 714 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 6: gambling and some nervousness. So yeah, I guess that's one 715 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 6: of those seasons. Definitely one of those seasons. You know 716 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 6: every year you just kind of hold your breath and 717 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 6: hope for the best. Yep, keep doing a great job, Scott. 718 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much. Yeah, we are rolling 719 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 2: out at the end of the show. Mark, thank you 720 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 2: very much for being here. 721 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 3: My pleasure. 722 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 2: Always we've got we wouldn't need to thank Bree. Arthur 723 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: and Natalie Carmoli for being on board today. Also Danny Gleeson, 724 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 2: thank you for making me sound as good as possible. 725 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: Yep. 726 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,439 Speaker 2: Next week we've got some great guests well, Brian Jorg 727 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: my arch enemy boy, and that should be fine. I 728 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 2: know no other guests because once I hear that he's 729 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 2: part of it, they won't sign up. 730 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 1: But we'll do our best anyway. Thank you for listening. 731 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 2: This is uh, this has been Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. 732 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.