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Speaker 1: The following takes place between six pm and seven pm.

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Speaker 2: You want answers.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm entitled Joe.

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Speaker 4: One answer the truth.

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Speaker 5: You can't handle the true, true, true.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it.

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Speaker 6: At six oh eight seven hundred wlw Welcome into RNL

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Speaker 6: Carrier Sports Talk. I'm presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance Pacalister.

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Speaker 6: I'm excited to just to say my name. Let's get

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Speaker 6: into it. The news surrounding the Bengals over the last

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Speaker 6: thirty hours. Joe Flacco, he arrived on the scene today

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Speaker 6: for practice on the scene. It was my first guest

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Speaker 6: who covers the Bengals. His publisher Bengals Talk dot Com.

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Speaker 6: You should watch and listen to the Enter the Jungle

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Speaker 6: and Locked on Bengals podcast. We welcome in James Rapine

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Speaker 6: and all right, for those getting in their car on

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Speaker 6: the way home tonight, let's provide the update. They are

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Speaker 6: preparing to start him on Sunday. Is the Is this realistic?

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Speaker 6: Is it doable? In your eyes?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I mean more than prepared. I mean apparently, Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 8: The second sentence to Joe after they made the deal was, Hey,

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Speaker 8: you're going to start.

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Speaker 3: So get ready. And so it's cool.

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Speaker 8: I was surprised that devolved that. I was happy he did,

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Speaker 8: because that gives you an idea of where the Bengals

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Speaker 8: were at with this thing. They know the offense need

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Speaker 8: to be their strength. It was built around the offense.

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Speaker 8: They're obviously invested a lot in the offense, even without

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Speaker 8: Joe Burrow. When you think of the Bengals, you're thinking

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Speaker 8: of those star receivers and you're thinking about getting them

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Speaker 8: the ball. And so when you look at what they

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Speaker 8: haven't been able to do, which is score touchdowns, how

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Speaker 8: do you fix that? And I think they are buying

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Speaker 8: into the idea of Joe Flacco eighteen years in the NFL,

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Speaker 8: still has the arm talent, still has the intelligence and

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Speaker 8: smarts and also the right mentality slash leadership to handle

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Speaker 8: starting four days, five days, really after being driven down

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Speaker 8: seventy one from Cleveland to play for the.

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Speaker 6: Bengals, and during that drive, if you could detail what

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Speaker 6: sounds like a playbook and game planning discussion as he

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Speaker 6: was being driven to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's really It's so cool, honestly to know

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Speaker 8: the behind the scenes, because you know Joe Flacco, it

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Speaker 8: was a normal Tuesday for him, he was probably getting

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Speaker 8: a little rest, relaxing and kind of getting ready for

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Speaker 8: the week in Cleveland. Finds out he's getting traded. And

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Speaker 8: so the Bengals they have two drivers, one for Joe

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Speaker 8: and his wife and the other one for all of

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Speaker 8: Joe's belongings and all of the essentials.

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Speaker 3: And so you have two cars coming down seventy.

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Speaker 8: One, and as Zach Taylor calls Joe, they go over

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Speaker 8: the playbook some and start to dissect things a little

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Speaker 8: and get things put in place so they can and

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Speaker 8: so they could hit the ground running today. And I

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Speaker 8: think that's the important thing is you've got to maximize

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Speaker 8: your practice time, and they have so many practices, and

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Speaker 8: so for them to be able to do that and

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Speaker 8: use that time, I do think that that could be valuable.

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Speaker 8: Will it end up being successful, We'll see, But I

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Speaker 8: do think that every minute counts.

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Speaker 6: You were out in front of the idea of hey,

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Speaker 6: kick the tires, look around, look at look at upgrades

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Speaker 6: at quarterback. You were out in front of this weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: What was your reaction the moment the news hit.

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Speaker 8: I'm I was happy they did something, and I didn't

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Speaker 8: really wrap my head around the Joe Flacco move itself

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Speaker 8: because of the division part of it, and because of Mike.

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Speaker 3: Brown and the history with the Browns, like they've.

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Speaker 8: Never traded with the Browns, you know, and it's a

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Speaker 8: division rival, and it was just it naturally you look

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Speaker 8: at it fifty thousand foot view and it it makes

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Speaker 8: sense from what Joe brings what they need. But yeah,

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Speaker 8: my first reaction was happy that they did something. I

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Speaker 8: But when I hear who they were looking at, I'm

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Speaker 8: not sure if Joe Flacco is going.

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Speaker 3: To help them, but I think he's better than those guys.

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Speaker 8: And so maybe it wasn't Jameis Winston like people wanted,

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Speaker 8: Flacco can give you a lot of those same elements.

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Speaker 8: Plus I do think he's going to be a better

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Speaker 2: James.

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Speaker 6: What can the offense look like, now would Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 6: what can he help them do.

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Speaker 8: And Zac made this very clear. I was almost surprised

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Speaker 8: at how clear it was he could pass the football,

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Speaker 8: which it sounds ridiculous. Oh the quarterback passed the football

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Speaker 8: dog James, Well, they haven't been able to pass it.

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Speaker 8: the other side. You should be able to throw the

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Speaker 8: And quite frankly, I know people are going to bring

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Speaker 8: he left so many plays on the field and the

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Speaker 8: saying they're perfect. I'm not saying they're flawless. They're not

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Speaker 8: plenty that they need to clean up, but you need

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Speaker 8: so what can this offense look like? Well, I do

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Speaker 8: downfield in a way that they have it in the past. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: To do that.

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Speaker 8: At the same time, his arm talent is extremely unique.

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Speaker 8: This isn't even Joe Burrow arm strength. This is on

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Speaker 8: another level. There aren't many guys that can spin it

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Speaker 8: Flackle was a targeting the tight ends, targeting the running back.

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Speaker 8: So I think you're gonna see plenty of Chase Brown

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Speaker 8: Mike Kasiki and noa fan as well.

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Speaker 2: James. What happened to Jake Browning?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, you know, I.

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Speaker 8: Thought about this last night. I was like, you know,

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Speaker 8: in training camp, the Bengals thought they had arguably the

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Speaker 8: Browning arguably the best backup in the league in their minds,

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Speaker 8: back against Jacksonville like alert, Joe Flacco is going to

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Speaker 8: and the Bengals could have lived with the interceptions is

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Speaker 8: if it was also coming with explosive plays. In the

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Speaker 3: I really I don't know where when. I don't know why.

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Speaker 8: He wasn't seeing it better, or maybe maybe it's this lance.

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Speaker 8: Maybe he just caught lightning in a bottle a couple

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Speaker 3: And in that in who he is is who he is, which.

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Speaker 8: Is an undrafted quarterback that was on practice squad for

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Speaker 8: Joe Flacco. Five days after Flacco gets traded for.

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Speaker 6: James, I said Sunday after the loss, this this situation

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Speaker 6: feels worse than the reality from the standpoint of they're

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Speaker 6: still in the AFC North Race. There's still right now.

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Speaker 6: They're the eighth seed in the pecking order of the AFC.

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Speaker 6: It's not like they're out of this thing, I.

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Speaker 8: Know, And I think that was the importance of doing

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Speaker 8: or not it works, we'll see. But things were starting.

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Speaker 8: You know, the finger pointing could have could have quickly

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Speaker 8: saying that's all bage's fault, because it's not. But when

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Speaker 8: being outscored one thirteen to thirty seven, and all four

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Speaker 8: it and in they view it that way, and they

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Speaker 8: should it that way because the team that the head

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Speaker 3: They play them twice in a month.

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Speaker 8: You know, So even if you lose a lambo, if

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Speaker 6: You mentioned running backs and tight ends and the impact

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Speaker 6: Joe Flacco could have. I look at a guy in

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Speaker 2: Is T Higgins?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I agree with you, And I think that

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Speaker 3: make a move? Why would you do it?

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Speaker 3: T Higgins right now?

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Speaker 2: And I don't.

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Speaker 3: Believe he's this to be clear, He's just a guy. Yeah, And.

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Speaker 8: There's no planet, there's no quarterback. There's no scenario where

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Speaker 8: T Higgins in this offense without Joe.

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Speaker 3: Burrow can be just the guy.

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Speaker 8: Because they're built around he, Jamar Chase Brown, their skill talent,

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Speaker 8: And so yeah, I agree with you. I think T

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Speaker 8: it's got to start. Winn lose a draw, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 8: Sun Day at Lambeau, like t Higgins should be a

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Speaker 6: Last question for you always appreciate your time. Let me

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Speaker 6: flip to the other side of the ball. Do you

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Speaker 6: see encouraging signs about this defense?

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Speaker 8: The defense is so tough to judge because of how

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Speaker 8: weird these games have been. Yeah, I mean they've been

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Speaker 8: putting in really tough spots. I think I see some

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Speaker 8: encouraging signs for sure. Is it real or not?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. And that's another element to this.

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Speaker 8: And you just you've got to be able to play

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Speaker 8: And then I just thought Jake was fled out bad

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Speaker 10: Brings great experience, great leadership. His style fits our style

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Speaker 10: place all for a long time, and I'm perfectly fine

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Speaker 10: with that. Obviously, we got to do a great job

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Speaker 10: around him in the run game and protection and all

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Speaker 10: that kind of stuff. But he understands, he understands our

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Speaker 10: concepts already. It's a lot of things he's done, some

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Speaker 10: things he's called the same, so again, well we'll do

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Speaker 10: it suits him best ultimately at the end of the week.

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Speaker 4: What he's not comfortable with.

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Speaker 10: There's some things we've called during the week that you

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Speaker 10: know we should put on the shelf. Is the play

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Speaker 10: conversations with Jake straightforward, and Jake was great. Jake's been

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Speaker 10: accountable every step of the way. He's been understanding every

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Speaker 10: scept the word accepting for any decision we want to make.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, he wants to continue.

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Speaker 10: Playing and he's going to continue to work hard to

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Speaker 10: help our football team in any way possible.

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Speaker 4: He understands our situation.

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Speaker 6: A little bit of Zach Taylor earlier today in meeting

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Speaker 6: with the media. The focus, of course won Joe Flacco

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Speaker 6: Dan Graziano of ESPN dot Com reporting earlier today, in

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Speaker 6: his words, the Bengals truly did believe that Jake Browning

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Speaker 6: would be a capable fill in when Joe Burrow went down.

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Speaker 6: But after a third straight loss, they spent Sunday and

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Speaker 6: Monday calling around the league, did pretty much any team

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Speaker 6: that had more than two quarterbacks on its roster. Dan

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Speaker 6: Graziano says he was told that neither Russell Wilson or

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Speaker 6: Jamis Winston wherever real possibilities, nor was Atlanta's Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 6: There was some chatter word choice of Dan Graziano, some

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Speaker 6: chatter about Drew Locke in Seattle, Sam Howell in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 6: but adds in conclusion, teams aren't eager to trade from

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Speaker 6: their quarterback depth. All right, When we come back, Andrew

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Speaker 6: Whitworth with a couple of observations this week about the Bengals,

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Speaker 6: specifically the offensive line, and then we'll begin a transition

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Speaker 6: into the seven o'clock hour. Start thinking about when I say,

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Speaker 6: when I say twenty twenty five Cincinnati Reds, what do

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Speaker 6: you say?

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Speaker 2: What do you feel?

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Speaker 6: You've had a week to think about it, sleep on it,

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Speaker 6: process it. One hundred and sixty two games Man. We

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Speaker 6: went through a lot with that team this season. We'll

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Speaker 6: talk about the takeaways from it. Coming up in the

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Speaker 6: seven o'clock hour. It's Rnel Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 6: Kelsey cherval Ain on seven hundred WLW. Hey, Joe Wadella

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Speaker 6: is producing tonight. I'm Allance Pacalister, I am hosting tonight.

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Speaker 6: We thank you for being the listeners tonight and tagged

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Speaker 6: along till nine. Dan Carroll is in at that point.

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Speaker 6: Things to get to. By the way, if if X

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Speaker 6: Pacalister Sports Talk. I had asked earlier today where people

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Speaker 6: listened from around the great beyond Greater Cincinnati, around the country,

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Speaker 6: around the world with the iHeart Radio app to sports talk.

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Speaker 6: And I'm looking at a list right now people checking

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Speaker 6: in listening to sports Talk of the iHeart Radio app

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Speaker 6: from places like Belmont, North Carolina, Baltimore, Maryland. There's Troy, Ohio, Vancouver,

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Speaker 6: checking in Dayton, Conway, New Hampshire, Columbus, Indiana, Hilliard, Ohio, Lima, Venice, Florida.

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Speaker 6: Van Wert, There's Chicago. There's Peru, Indiana, home of Kyle Macy, Westport, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 6: Kiddy Made. Are you kidding me? How cool is the

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Speaker 6: iHeart Radio app? Inglefield, Indiana? I don't think I've ever

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Speaker 6: heard of Inglefield, Indiana. Frankl In, Ohio, Lima, Australia, Mark

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Speaker 6: checking in from good Day, Mark, thanks for checking in.

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Speaker 6: Walter's Oklahoma, Parkersburg, West Virginia, London, Kentucky, Port Saint Lucy, Florida.

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Speaker 6: Wesley Chapel, Florida, Incredible Salem, Indiana. Thank you for taking

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Speaker 6: advantage of the iHeartRadio app. You can download it on

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Speaker 6: your phone, your computer, your Kendall tablet, you name it,

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Speaker 6: it is there. Thank you for choosing to do that.

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Speaker 6: To listen to the show, I was listening earlier this

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Speaker 6: week to a couple of things that Andrew Whitworth said

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Speaker 6: on the Pat McAfee show that caught my ear specifically

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Speaker 6: about the Bengals offensive line. Here is wit with Pat

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Speaker 6: McAfee talking about signs of trouble for the Bengals offensive

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Speaker 6: line early on this season.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he said. I will say this.

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Speaker 12: You could go watch the last three plays of the

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Speaker 12: game against the Cleveland Browns in four minute offense where

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Speaker 12: they're trying to secure the game. Those three snaps are

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Speaker 12: maybe the worst three snaps I've ever seen a physical

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Speaker 12: football from an offensive.

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Speaker 2: Line of trying to run out a game.

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Speaker 12: The entire offensive line is moving backwards those three snaps

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Speaker 12: and the running backs getting hit as he's taken handoffs.

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Speaker 12: That told me that if we don't have Joe Burrow

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Speaker 12: and we got to rely on running in the football, we

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Speaker 12: got a lot of freaking issues.

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Speaker 6: Andrew Whitworth earlier this week on the Pat McAfee show,

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Speaker 6: he was asked by Pat about what he thinks of

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Speaker 6: the Bengals approach to the offensive line or how they

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Speaker 6: should change their approach to putting together the offensive line.

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Speaker 12: Listen to what wit said. You know, I would like

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Speaker 12: to see him spend it in the offensive line room.

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Speaker 12: That's where I think they should spend a little more money.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I've tried though.

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Speaker 8: We had a graphic last week about them drafting and

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Speaker 8: spending money and it just for summer.

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Speaker 2: We've been terrible at it. So that's the problem.

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Speaker 4: So that is the thing he gets wrong.

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Speaker 12: Guys, since twenty eleven that they've drafted an offensive lineman

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Speaker 12: and he's signed a second contract.

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Speaker 2: I want you to think about that.

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Speaker 12: Fourteen years since they've drafted an old lineman and he's

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Speaker 12: actually signed a second contract.

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Speaker 4: Is it scheme building evaluation?

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Speaker 2: I think it's evaluation if you look at it. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna throwing myself in the mix.

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Speaker 12: Twenty eleven since they drafted a guy and he resigned

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Speaker 12: a contract, and they've let Kevin Zeitler and myself walk

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Speaker 12: in free agency. So if you can't draft an offensive

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Speaker 12: line and then you've let guys leave who continue to

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Speaker 12: go elsewhere and win, you clearly have an evaluation problem

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Speaker 12: of the priority of the position.

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Speaker 6: Andrew Whitworth earlier this week on the Pat McAfee show,

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Speaker 6: think of some of the offensive lineman they have drafted

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Speaker 6: who never got to that second contract, going back to

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Speaker 6: what the year before wits father year, Cedric Boyhe, Jake Fisher,

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Speaker 6: Billy Price, Joanah Williams, Michael Jordan, a Keema, Denegee, Jackson, Carman,

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Speaker 6: Deontay Smith, Cordell, Vohlson, more recently and not up for

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Speaker 6: an extension yet. Of course, Amrius Mims. Heck think of

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Speaker 6: the free agents in the money spending free agency and

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Speaker 6: the scale of success with the likes of Lyle Collins

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Speaker 6: or Riley Reef or Bobby Hart, Cordy Glenn Kappa, Carris,

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Speaker 6: Orlando Brown again varying degrees of success, but to the

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Speaker 6: bigger picture. I was looking today and look, there's very

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Speaker 6: little I understand about Pro Football Focus, but it's it's

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Speaker 6: a place that gives you a calculation of somebody's performance,

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Speaker 6: and until somebody shows me one better, I guess it's

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Speaker 6: what everybody turns to, so I'll use it. Among tackles

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Speaker 6: this year. Among tackles this year, Orlando Brown is ranked

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Speaker 6: forty ninth and Amarius Mims is ranked fifty sixth among

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Speaker 6: tackles in the NFL. Among guards, Dylan Fairchild is seventy second,

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Speaker 6: and Dalton Reisner is seventieth and Jalen Rivers is seventy fifth.

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Speaker 6: At the center position, Ted Carris is ranked thirty third

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Speaker 6: among centers. A little context perspective, Orlando Brown forty ninth

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Speaker 6: among left at tackle with a scale rating of fifty

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Speaker 6: seven to four.

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Speaker 2: The high end.

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Speaker 6: The top end of the scale among tackles is Pena

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Speaker 6: Seol at ninety four, Orlando Brown is at fifty seven.

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Speaker 6: For example, at guard, the highest rated guard is eighty four.

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Speaker 6: Dylan Fairchild is at forty five, Reisner is at forty

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Speaker 6: six six, and Rivers at forty three three.

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Speaker 2: Ouch.

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Speaker 6: And having said all that, back to my original point

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Speaker 6: with James, it certainly doesn't feel like it, but if

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Speaker 6: you look at it, it's there. It's real, it's tangible.

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Speaker 6: The Bengals are a game back in the AFC North,

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Speaker 6: one game back of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they play

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Speaker 6: them twice. Ravens sit at one and four, Brown sit

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Speaker 6: at one and four. In terms of the AFC playoff picture, again,

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Speaker 6: seven teams get in. You gotta have seven right now.

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Speaker 6: The Patriots sit at number seven at three and two.

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Speaker 6: Next in the pecking order, the Bengals at two and three,

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Speaker 6: higher than the Texans, higher than the Chiefs, and a

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Speaker 6: remaining schedule combined record of a remaining opponent at twenty

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Speaker 6: three thirty two and one. So yes, I'm telling you

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Speaker 6: there's a chance to quote dumb and dumber. All right,

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Speaker 6: let me end the hour with this one week could

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Speaker 6: go tonight, one week could go tonight. Long about midnight,

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Speaker 6: the midnight hour was approaching, and uh as was the

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Speaker 6: end of the Red season. Tommy Thrawl's call of the

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Speaker 6: final out of the twenty twenty five season sounded like this.

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Speaker 5: Here is the old two pitch to Austin Ays slaying,

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Speaker 5: and he muscles one the bets, he comes in, makes

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Speaker 5: the cat and that's all. Reds fall eight to four

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Speaker 5: the Dodgers, and the Red season comes to a close.

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Speaker 5: In Game two of the National League Wild Guard Series.

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Speaker 5: The Dodgers sleep the Reds in two here at Dodgers Stadium,

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Speaker 5: and the Dodgers are moving on to play.

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Speaker 2: The film in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 5: Well, unfortunately, unless you're hoisting the Commissioner Trophy.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the year, you.

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Speaker 5: Make the postseason and your season likely ends and heartbreak

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Speaker 5: and that was the case for the Reds. Is the

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Speaker 5: season comes to a close after two games at Dodger Stadium.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's do this in the seven o'clock hour.

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Speaker 6: All open up the lines. I would invite you into

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Speaker 6: some Reds conversation and ask you to approach it from

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Speaker 6: this standpoint, it's been a week a week tonight.

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Speaker 2: Sunk in.

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Speaker 6: You slept on it, you thought about it, you thought

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Speaker 6: about the highs, you thought about the lows, and you

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Speaker 6: have a sense of how you're going to remember the

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Speaker 6: twenty five season, or just what your gut, what the

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Speaker 6: feeling is in your gut about what we experienced over

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Speaker 6: one hundred and sixty two games. Let's do the Let's

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Speaker 6: do the autopsy on the twenty twenty five Cincinnati Reds

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Speaker 6: after We check News RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 6: Kelsey Chevelet, seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's keep rolling. Seven o'clock hour unfolding before

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Speaker 6: your very eyes. Man, it means a lot. You've made

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Speaker 6: your way here. Hang out for a while. We've got

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Speaker 6: to nine o'clock. Dan Carroll's gonna check in at that point.

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Speaker 6: I will admit upfront, I could really use some Reds conversation.

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Speaker 6: Not that I don't enjoy talking Bengals, but I've reached

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Speaker 6: a point where I did three hours of Bengals Monday

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Speaker 6: Night with Bengals Line. Last night's entire show was The

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Speaker 6: Joe Flacco News, and the first hour of tonight was

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Speaker 6: the Joe Flacco arrival, so I could stand for a

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Speaker 6: shift in conversation, and I figured what better way to

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Speaker 6: pivot than to go to the Reds because one week

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Speaker 6: could go tonight their season ended, And I purposely didn't

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Speaker 6: do this topic until now. I wanted to let it

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Speaker 6: breathe because it was a season that had a whole

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Speaker 6: lot of everything rolled into one. You talk about a

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Speaker 6: cauldron of emotions that stirred within.

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Speaker 2: Us throughout the season.

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Speaker 6: Holy cow, I was high, I was low, I was happy,

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Speaker 6: I was not happy. It was a whole lot of

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Speaker 6: stuff felt from this team. In twenty twenty five, one

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Speaker 6: week ago tonight, the season ended. We will begin to

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Speaker 6: get into the off season and more of the questions

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Speaker 6: and what needs to happen here and what needs to

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Speaker 6: happen there. But I thought, you know, before you advance it,

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Speaker 6: you need to assess it, and that would be just

651
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Speaker 6: how that season.

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Speaker 2: Leaves you feeling.

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Speaker 6: One week later, I recall what the Cowboys said Jeff

654
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Speaker 6: Brantley a week ago tonight in the wrap up portion

655
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 6: on the post game, and the Cowboy summed up the

656
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 6: season and looked ahead by saying this, maybe we don't

657
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 6: have the maybe we don't have the Cowboy.

658
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: I think we've got the Cowboy.

659
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Speaker 6: It was one week could Go Tonight in the post

660
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Speaker 6: game with Tommy where Cowboy was asked about things he

661
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 6: will take away from the season, and he said this.

662
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Speaker 7: I think that there was some ups and downs, obviously,

663
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Speaker 7: but the.

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Speaker 2: Fight was there all the time.

665
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 7: Now success that that kind of is waning, and that's

666
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 7: with any ball club. But I think that there was

667
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 7: a lot of progress made, especially for some of these

668
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 7: younger players. This is an intimidating moment, but I think

669
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Speaker 7: that now that you've tasted what it's like to get

670
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 7: into the postseason, you got all these these kids coming back,

671
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 7: they're going to want to be back to here and

672
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 7: they're going to want some revenge. They're going to want

673
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 7: to be able to get back to the postseason. But

674
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 7: in order to get here, you've got to win those

675
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 7: ball games in April and May and not count on

676
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 7: September or another club losing in order to get yourself

677
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 7: into the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: There were definitely some moments where it felt like the

679
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 5: Red let some games flip away late, but like you

680
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 5: talked about, there were plenty earlier in the year that

681
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Speaker 5: you can win too that end up adding up after

682
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 5: a while. I think this is a team that's going

683
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 5: to be a lot of people's radar come next year.

684
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: I think they've also realized some of the holes that

685
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 5: need to be filled moving.

686
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 7: For I still think they are going to be some changes,

687
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 7: some very surprising, I would say, as you move into

688
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 7: twenty twenty six. But in order to win and in

689
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 7: order to kind of put yourself in that scenario, changes

690
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 7: have to be made because you've got to try to

691
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 7: get better. Eighty three wins in a normal season is

692
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 7: not going to get you here. So the Reds have

693
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 7: got to figure out how to get to that eighty

694
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 7: eight ninety mark. And I think this club can do it.

695
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 7: They just got to put people in the right spot.

696
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Speaker 6: Welcome to our Reds conversation. In this hour, Jeff Brantley

697
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 6: starts it off. You will be added to the mix.

698
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 6: The Reds went eighty three and seventy nine. Man, they

699
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 6: gave us a ride, ups and downs, fun and frustration.

700
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 6: They were down and appeared out how many different times?

701
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 6: How many times did you write them off? And yet

702
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 6: they were resilient and they made it. They made it

703
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 6: to the postseason. They were one of twelve teams to

704
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 6: make the playoffs, there's something to be said for that

705
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 6: eighteen teams didn't. Threads were one of twelve that did.

706
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 6: They hadn't made the postseason in a full season since

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Speaker 6: twenty thirteen by any calculation. That's progress, and they gained

708
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 6: valuable postseason experience. I'll never forget what Sean Casey said

709
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 6: on the show last week about how different he was

710
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 6: once he got the experiences of the postseason under his belt,

711
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 6: how he was hyperventilating the first time against Al Lider

712
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 6: and the Mets in that game won sixty three because

713
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 6: he'd never been there, never done that, and felt so

714
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 6: much pressure to try to do so much in every

715
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 6: bad So this is a valuable learning moment for this team,

716
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 6: and yet ultimately it wasn't enough. They finished in third

717
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 6: place in their division. They finished fourteen games out in

718
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 6: their division. They finished as the sixth best team in

719
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Speaker 6: the National League. Now that's not again taking away from

720
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 6: the fact they made the playoffs. It's great, that's progress,

721
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 6: but they also finished fourteen games out on their own division,

722
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 6: and they were the sixth best. Three division winners, three wildcards,

723
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 6: top six, may and the Reds were the final wirecard.

724
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 6: They were the last team in the postseason in the

725
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 6: first team out, so you know you have to to

726
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 6: be fair. It's wow, the men, they were one of

727
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 6: twelve that made it. And then again, wow, they were

728
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 6: only the sixth best team in the National League this year.

729
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 6: And I also think, I think there's something that I

730
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 6: don't know if we have to come to grips with

731
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 6: or fully understand or appreciate. But there's a lot of

732
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 6: talk about how young this team is. I don't know.

733
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 6: I mean, look it up, go to Baseball Reference. Next

734
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 6: year Spencer Steer twenty eight, Freedol thirty, McLain twenty six,

735
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 6: Tyler Stevenson twenty nine, Hunter Green will be twenty six,

736
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 6: Nicolodola will be twenty eight, Andrew Rabbit will be twenty seven,

737
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 6: Tony Santion will be twenty nine. Yeah, Ellie will be

738
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 6: only twenty four come January. But there, I mean, it's

739
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 6: not like there's twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three

740
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 6: year olds, So what do we make out of it all?

741
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 6: The starting pitching was was really good, but the starting

742
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 6: pitchers missed way too many starts. I mean, Hunter Green

743
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 6: made nineteen. They needed him to make twenty nine. The

744
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 6: bullpen was good but got overworked and then burned out

745
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 6: and was clearly missing another left handed matchup option. A

746
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 6: left handed matchup option out of the bullpen. They were

747
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 6: terrible in situational hitting. They lacked pop and homers for

748
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 6: whatever reason, they stopped stealing bases. Offensively, I'm not a

749
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 6: big war guy, but offensively by position, every position group

750
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 6: had a negative war, with the exception of the red

751
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 6: center field position and the shortstop position. Let me repeat that,

752
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 6: every hitting position had a negative war except shortstop in centerfield.

753
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 6: They were better in one run games. I told you

754
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 6: they would be one run games, like magically the baseball GUIDs.

755
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 6: They pull them one way and and when you're really

756
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 6: bad one year, it usually evens out the next year.

757
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 6: Last year, twenty twenty four, the Reds were fifteen and

758
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 6: twenty eight in one run games. Oh it's maddening. Fifteen

759
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 6: and twenty eight. This year they went twenty two and

760
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 6: twenty two. It evened out. They played forty three one

761
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 6: run games last year won fifteen of them. They played

762
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 6: forty four one run games this year they won twenty

763
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Speaker 6: two of them.

764
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Speaker 2: It evened out. I think it's also fair.

765
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Speaker 6: I don't want to speak for fans, but my sense

766
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 6: is in listening to fans day in and day out,

767
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 6: that Terry Francona left fans questioning him more than they

768
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 6: probably figured they would going into the season. And I'm

769
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 6: also struck by this, and I don't I don't want

770
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 6: to make too much of this, but it's part of

771
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 6: my frustration because you're in a window and the clock

772
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 6: is ticking, and in terms of progress, this team won

773
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Speaker 6: eighty three games. Two years ago, the young group won

774
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 6: eighty two. I mean, in twenty twenty three, they called

775
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 6: up La during the year, McClain during the year, Steer Marte,

776
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 6: they had Green, they had Abbott, they had Lodolo. They

777
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 6: won eighty two games, they finished third, and they finished

778
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 6: ten games out. Two years later, with La and McClain

779
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 6: and Steer and Marty playing a whole lot more games

780
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 6: and getting a whole lot more and more starts from

781
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 6: Green and Abbot Lodolo, they won one more game, they

782
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 6: finished in third, and they finished fourteen games out. And

783
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 6: I don't say that too. It probably sounds harsher than

784
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 6: on a meet at the sound. It's just part of

785
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 6: my frustration. Of it's not enough. There needs to be more.

786
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 6: When you have a young group, remember that group in

787
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three came out of nowhere. They'd won sixty

788
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 6: two games the year before. They weren't even there sixty

789
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 6: two games in that twenty twenty two season, and then

790
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 6: out of nowhere, new fresh energy, and they win twenty more.

791
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 6: They showed the biggest improvement in the National League. They

792
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 6: went from sixty two to eighty two, and now two

793
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 6: years later they were only at eighty three. Yes, they

794
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 6: did make the playoffs, but I guarantee you eighty three

795
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 6: wins will not make the postseason in most years in

796
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 6: Major League Baseball. So I go back to something I

797
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 6: said throughout the season, and it made some people uncomfortable,

798
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 6: if not mad, at me, And my consistent theme was

799
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 6: they weren't good enough, they were not talented enough. To

800
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 6: their credit, they got in with eighty three wins. But

801
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 6: when you haven't won a playoff series in thirty years,

802
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 6: eighty three and finishing as the sixth best team in

803
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 6: the National League, I'm sorry if it sounds overly critical,

804
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 6: but that's not enough. You can't go three decades without

805
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: winning a playoff series and that's not on these guys.

806
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 6: It's not their fault. They weren't around thirty years ago.

807
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 6: That's an organizational thing. But they were short, and that's

808
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 6: the frustrating thing to me. Ahead is a very very

809
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 6: very interesting offseason. But I wonder what you were lingering

810
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 6: thought is one week later on what you felt and

811
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 6: experienced with this twenty twenty five Reds team.

812
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: We'll pick up Mike and Ben and.

813
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Speaker 6: Mark and another Mike and Moore join our conversation ahead

814
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Speaker 6: RNL carri Or Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolete seven

815
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Speaker 6: hundred ww Hey, you talk.

816
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: About some offseason decisions.

817
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 6: The Reds have as many as thirteen players who could

818
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 6: go to arbitration.

819
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: That means raises.

820
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 6: Thirteen players do for raises if the Reds choose to

821
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 6: go to arbitration with all of them, I'll give you

822
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Speaker 6: the projected list. I'll give you the thirteenth make it

823
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Speaker 6: fourteen players and the money they're projected to make from

824
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 6: MLB trade rumors. In just a second, and let's go

825
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Speaker 6: to the phones, and in Dayton, Mike leads us off. Mike,

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Speaker 6: Welcome to seven hundred.

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Speaker 9: WLW Is this Mike Grandpa? Mike?

828
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: I don't know. Is it you called me? Oh? Yeah,

829
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Speaker 2: I'm good. What do you make of this red season?

830
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 9: Frustrating?

831
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: Can you expound on that they.

832
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 9: Were in a enigma? They would go along with they'd

833
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 9: win four games in a row and then lose two

834
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 9: hour three, then win two games and lose five out

835
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Speaker 9: of six, and the other other. Actually I have quite

836
00:44:54,360 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 9: a few words. Yeah, underachievers. They talked by the talent

837
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 9: on this team. I don't see it.

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00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 6: Well, that's not underachieving, then that's lack of talent. I

839
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 6: mean underachieving would mean they have the talent, they didn't

840
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 6: perform up to it. I'd argue they didn't have enough.

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00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 9: Okay, Now, remember I live here in Dayton and the

842
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 9: particular place where I worked at the stadium here in Dayton.

843
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 9: I've seen I've been here seeing Stevenson all the way

844
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 9: up to the guys that have come through the ranks

845
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 9: here in Dayton. I know guys on the Dragons now

846
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 9: Double a Y I talked to. But it's frustrating because

847
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 9: they got talent in the system, they need what they

848
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 9: need to do. I could go on, I could talk

849
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 9: to you for hours about what I like to see

850
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 9: them do, but I know you don't have the time

851
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 9: to do that because you're pushing the bob of the out.

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00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 9: I appreciate you. Get me in.

853
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 2: You got it. We'll talk more during the off season.

854
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: How's that that works?

855
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: All right?

856
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 6: Sounds like a playing I'm here for Reds conversation throughout

857
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 6: the off season, Cherry. Won't be long before hot stove starts,

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00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 6: Cherry Grove, we go, Mike, you're on seven hundred WLW.

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00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing?

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00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 13: Man?

861
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: About you? Two things? I'm all right, two things with

862
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 3: the Reds. The first thing, extra innings.

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00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 14: What were they like two and thirteen?

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Speaker 6: By yeah, I think that that is about right.

865
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Speaker 14: So it became pretty obvious that they couldn't handle.

866
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: That stupid extra inning rule. But really, I mean, that's

867
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: stupidest thing I ever heard of.

868
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 6: Three and twelve officially, I just looked it up, three

869
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 6: and twelve and extra any.

870
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 3: Oh, that was close.

871
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: Yes.

872
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 15: And the other thing is there were plenty of games

873
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 15: I thought they would score first and get a lead,

874
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 15: although it might have been only one or two runs,

875
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 15: but they couldn't add the leads, which again tells you

876
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 15: they don't have enough on this team.

877
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: It's pretty obvious, man.

878
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it was.

879
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 6: It was frustrating from the standpoint of just when they

880
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 6: would get out slubbed in series they go up against teams,

881
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 6: and there was such an obvious and I'm not saying

882
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 6: they need to be the Mets that have top four

883
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 6: in the order all with thirty home runs or more,

884
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 6: but specifically playing in that ballpark, they got to hit

885
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 6: more home runs. They have to, and it was maddening

886
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 6: to think in a season where they didn't hit many

887
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 6: home runs, they put on the brakes on the running

888
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 6: game and they stole. They stole two hundred and seven

889
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 6: bases last year and this season. I'd have to dig

890
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 6: up the final number. I'm going to guess it's somewhere

891
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 6: in the neighborhood of just over one hundred. In fact,

892
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 6: here it is one hundred and five. They went from

893
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 6: two hundred and seven stolen bases to one hundred and five.

894
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 6: Holy cow, when we continue more of this. Plus, I

895
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 6: remember saying I was prepare to make a twenty twenty

896
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 6: five reds parlay bet, saying this team would improve in

897
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 6: a number of areas. And I said, in fact one, two, three, four, five,

898
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 6: six seventy I was willing to make an eight bet

899
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 6: parlay that eight things would improve on this team, and

900
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 6: I'll be danged, I think I got them all.

901
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: But it didn't mean as much as it it could have.

902
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 6: I guess we've reached the bottom of the r check

903
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 6: on News and then yeah, let's roll with a little

904
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 6: bit more Reds conversation eight o'clock. I've got we'll call

905
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 6: in it ethics and sports question. Just a question about

906
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 6: fans and behavior and obligations and tickets and all that

907
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 6: to be explained in the eight o'clock out Let's check

908
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 6: News RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet, seven

909
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 6: hundred WLW. Hey, shout out everybody listening tonight, especially everybody

910
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 6: listening with the iHeart radio app. They're listening in the

911
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 6: Cayman Islands. Specifically, Jared is listening in the Cayman Islands tonight.

912
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: Thank you. How cool is the Ihart radio app.

913
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 6: I gotta admit, if I were in the Cayman Islands,

914
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 6: I don't think I'd be listening.

915
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: To me Well, I probably shouldn't say that. I would.

916
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 6: I have it earbuds in, but I'd be like snirkling,

917
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 6: or I'd be on a board paddleboard. I'd be like

918
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 6: with Stingrays, I'd be doing like a drink with it

919
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 6: a little umbrella.

920
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: In it and listening to it to sports talk. So Jared,

921
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: you are the man.

922
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 6: Thank you Atlance Pacallister on x to follow and through

923
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 6: the iHeartRadio app to listen anywhere around the world. At

924
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 6: the start of the year, I said I'd put together

925
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 6: at twenty twenty five reds parlay. I said, here are

926
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 6: eight things that I feel comfortable saying will improve. I

927
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 6: said I'd be willing to bet all eight happen to

928
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 6: win the bet. Spencer Steer would hit better than two

929
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 6: twenty five. He hit two thirty eight. I said TJ.

930
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 6: Friedel is going to hit better than twenty six. He

931
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 6: hit two sixty one. I said Christian and Carnassio own

932
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 6: Strand will hit better than one ninety. I barely got

933
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 6: that one in. He hit two oh eight. He was

934
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 6: only here for thirty four games, but I'm counting that.

935
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 6: I said Jake Frayley's going to hit more than five

936
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 6: home run us well, he hit six and then it

937
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 6: got released, But I still.

938
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 2: Claim that one.

939
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 6: I said Will Benson will never get another three hundred

940
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 6: and fifty at bats to hit one eighty seven. Well,

941
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 6: he hit two twenty six and he got about two

942
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,479
Speaker 6: hundred and forty at bats, so I count that. I said,

943
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 6: Noeve Marte will not get another two hundred and thirty

944
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 6: at bats. They hit two ten and he hit two

945
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 6: sixty three. I'm surprised at based on the start of

946
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 6: the year my projections for him. I thought he it

947
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 6: would be a while before we saw him. But he

948
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 6: came back and he did. He hit better than two ten.

949
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 6: I said, the Reds bullpen will not lose thirty seven

950
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 6: games again, and they didn't. They went twenty seven and

951
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 6: thirty seven. Last year, they went thirty and thirty. This year,

952
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 6: they did not lose thirty seven games. And I said,

953
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 6: guarantee it, they will be better in one run games

954
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 6: than twenty five. Then fifteen and twenty eight, and they

955
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 6: went twenty and twenty two. So I claim all eight

956
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 6: in that Red's parlay. Unfortunately, sadly, I mean, think about

957
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 6: all those things actually happened, and yeah, again they made

958
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 6: the I almost feel like when I talk about the Reds,

959
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 6: I have to say what they did, and then how

960
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 6: it wasn't how it wasn't enough, because you can't say

961
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 6: making the playoffs is a bad thing. You can't say

962
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 6: making the playoffs is failure. I mean, for goodness sakes,

963
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 6: they were one of twelve teams that made the playoffs.

964
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 6: And how long have we said, oh, and they never

965
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 6: make the play Well, they made the playoffs for the

966
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 6: first time in a full season since twenty thirteen. That's

967
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 6: almost herculean in terms of accomplishments. And yet against the

968
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 6: backdrop of the organization, they didn't win a playoff game.

969
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 6: They got swept, and they haven't won a playoff game

970
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 6: since nineteen ninety five. Monday Night was the anniversary thirty

971
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 6: years ago. Monday Night, Mark Lewis pinch hit Grand Slam,

972
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 6: Red's finish off.

973
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: The sweep.

974
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 6: And just eighty three I'm gonna remember what the Cowboys said,

975
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 6: and it was eighty three wins in most years is

976
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 6: not going to get you in. You're gonna need to

977
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 6: find a way to get to eighty eight to ninety

978
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 6: next year. Remember we once thought when they went from

979
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 6: sixty two to eighty two. I think a lot of people,

980
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 6: maybe even me, thought, well, if they went from sixty

981
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 6: two to eighty two, then eighty two to ninety two

982
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 6: shouldn't be hard, should it. And we know they fell

983
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 6: back last season, made a change of manager and got

984
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 6: to eighty three this year.

985
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: Back to the phones we go, Mark, Welcome to sports Talk.

986
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 14: Hey, Lance, goody, and me. Good to talk to you again.

987
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

988
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 14: Hey, a couple things, and some people have reiterated this,

989
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 14: you know, the big problem with this team that has

990
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 14: to get better at offensively. And I hear the thing

991
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 14: about home runs, but if you look at the Brewers

992
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 14: and you know what they do, the Brewers and the

993
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 14: Reds almost exactly the same amount of team home runs.

994
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 14: But the difference is the Brewers are like second or

995
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 14: third in the major leagues and team batting, and they

996
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 14: hit with men on base. This team has got to

997
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 14: find a three four and five hitter or a three

998
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 14: four hitter that can drive in runs and hit with

999
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 14: men on base and not just hit the ball out

1000
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 14: of the ballpark. You have to get hits with men

1001
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 14: on base. The name of the game is driving in runs, yep.

1002
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 14: And this team has been horrible for three years doing

1003
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 14: that and you cannot win like that. That's the big

1004
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 14: hole in the offense. They have to get better with that,

1005
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 14: you know, I'm not necessarily thinking they need to find

1006
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 14: a guy that hit forty home runs, but they need

1007
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 14: to find a guy that's capable to go along with

1008
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 14: Spencer Steer, that can drive in ninety or one hundred

1009
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 14: runs consistently in the middle of that order.

1010
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, And in order to do that, you need guys

1011
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 6: at the top who are getting on enough to be

1012
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 6: driven in. Back to your point of a higher I mean,

1013
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 6: the Brewers wound up hitting. I have this in front

1014
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 6: of me. Here's your statu of the night the Brewers

1015
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 6: hit one.

1016
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: Let's see.

1017
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 6: Wait, the Reds hit one more home run than the

1018
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 6: Brewers hit this year, but the Brewers had the second

1019
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 6: highest batting average in Major League Baseball.

1020
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 14: Well, again, you know, the name of the game is

1021
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 14: you have to make contact. And part of the problem

1022
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 14: with this team it strikes out too much. I think

1023
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 14: ninth most strikeouts in baseball the last two years in

1024
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 14: a row. I mean, I understand strikeouts are the way today,

1025
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 14: but you don't want to be one of the worst.

1026
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 14: You want to be one of the best, right, And

1027
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 14: I think that plays into some of these other issues.

1028
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 14: Why you know, why you're not stealing more bases? Well,

1029
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 14: first of all, you got to get the guys on

1030
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 14: base they can steal them. You know, you look at

1031
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 14: you look at McLain. You know who is going to

1032
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 14: be a principal there. He doesn't get on enough. Ellie

1033
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 14: struck out two hundred and eighteen times or whatever he

1034
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 14: struck out at You know, that doesn't work. You know,

1035
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 14: Spencer Steer the first three months was hurt. I don't

1036
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 14: think he played well all year anyway. I mean, he

1037
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 14: was injured all year. You know, he wasn't on base

1038
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 14: as much. I mean, you got to get the guys

1039
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 14: on base that can steal, you know, And I think

1040
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 14: I think one of the issues here, I mean I'm

1041
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 14: just speculating here is that you know, you hear about

1042
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 14: the small ball argument. Well, small ball is great. You know,

1043
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 14: you get the first two guys on, then you bunt

1044
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 14: and get the guys over the second and third. But

1045
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 14: if the next two.

1046
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: Guys strike out, what good is that?

1047
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, and we've seen we've seen far too

1048
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 14: much of that. And the Reds have to get better

1049
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 14: that with that, they have to get better defensively, and

1050
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 14: that means they got to find another They got to

1051
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 14: find another shortstop. You're not gonna win with a guy

1052
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 14: making thirty hours a year at shortstop that I don't

1053
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 14: care if he has fifty home runs, You're not gonna win.

1054
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 14: So and then then the pitching scenario, Yeah, you got

1055
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 14: to hopefully try to find and keep your starters healthier.

1056
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 14: But in the day today where pitchers pitch basically five innies,

1057
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 14: and I think the average start in the major leagues

1058
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 14: now is like five innies or five point two, you

1059
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 14: need a deep bullpen. You need that, You need middle relief.

1060
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 14: Look at the Brewers.

1061
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: They are deep.

1062
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 14: They are the deepest team in baseball with pitching, you know,

1063
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 14: all the way through. Their guys are not pitching any

1064
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 14: longer than ours. But they have a bullpen. They got

1065
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 14: three or four guys in the middle relief they can

1066
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 14: go to every night that can give them consistent innings.

1067
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: That's where you have to be, Martin.

1068
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 6: That's my scenario here makes sense, and I feel as

1069
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 6: though we're going to be talking about it a lot

1070
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 6: through the offseason, and.

1071
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: I look forward to it. Thank you, great, thank you.

1072
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 6: I have a great night. You know, I just looked

1073
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 6: it up just from a strictly home run standpoint. LA

1074
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 6: led the Reds with twenty two. Guess how many players

1075
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 6: in Major League Baseball hit more than twenty two home runs?

1076
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 6: Sixty four. Sixty four players hit more than twenty two.

1077
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 6: That led the Reds. And again to Merks point, I look,

1078
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 6: don't worry about getting a forty home run, guy, i'mn

1079
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Speaker 6: sure you can. You should focus on give me somebody

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00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 6: who hits.

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Speaker 2: In the twenty.

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Speaker 6: Give me a couple of more guys who hit twenty

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00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 6: five home runs on this team. Imagine that being dropped

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00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 6: into this lineup, you know, fifty and not everybody is

1085
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 6: Cal Roley or Kyle Schwarber or Show Hey, and not

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00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 6: everybody's gonna hit thirty five more. But can you imagine

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00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: what this lineup would look like? Give me two more

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00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 6: guys who are capable of hitting twenty five to go

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Speaker 6: with Ellie and Steer in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 6: Nor would we go hey, Greg, how are you?

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Speaker 16: Hey?

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00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 13: How you doing good?

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00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: What do you got for me?

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Speaker 13: I agree with you on the getting a couple guys,

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Speaker 13: But if we can't get a couple guys, why don't

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00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 13: we go ahead and do like the brown Stick? Because

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00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 13: I never thought I would live to see the Browns

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 13: and the Blackburns trade with the Browns because of Paul

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Speaker 13: Brown leaving up there?

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Speaker 6: Would you like the would you like the Reds to

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00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 6: trade with the brow I'm not sure what you're saying.

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Speaker 13: No, I'm saying we out to go get that, Kyle four.

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00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 13: I don't think the Castolini's well in the part with

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Speaker 13: the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot in play there. I don't

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00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: think he's leaving.

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Speaker 6: I think Philly loves him, and I don't think the

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00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 6: Reds would come anywhere near the thirty million plus a

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00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 6: year that he's going to get.

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Speaker 13: Oh wow, I didn't realize.

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Speaker 2: It was that much, Lamb, Yep, yep.

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Speaker 13: Okay, well then let's do. Let's double down and get

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Speaker 13: a couple of guys that can maybe hit sixteen and

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Speaker 13: twenty home runs.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 6: I'll take that. That'd be a start. Hey, Greg, thanks

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00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 6: for listening. Call again sometime, all right, Thanks a lot, Lamb,

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00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 6: thank you. Yeah, Kyle Shoreber. The initial reports, and this

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00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 6: is from the Ken Rosenthals and others, is that it

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Speaker 6: will be Philadelphia at in the neighborhood of four years,

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00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 6: at thirty to forty million a year. Some hesitation at somebody,

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00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 6: who's what I think Kyle will be thirty four next

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Speaker 6: maybe thirty two in March, thirty three, thirty three in March.

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Speaker 6: And he's a DH only right now, So there's some

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Speaker 6: hesitation in somebody that age who only is a DH.

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Speaker 6: But he is so loved in that city and respected

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00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 6: to that clubhouse as a leader. I just can't see

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Speaker 6: a scenario where he doesn't go back to Philadelphia one

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Speaker 6: and two. I see absolutely no scenario where the Reds

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Speaker 6: pay Kyle Schwoarber thirty to forty million a year for

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 6: three or four years. And I see absolutely no scenario

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00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 6: where Kyle Schwarber says, oh, sure, I'll take a discount.

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00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: So I just I say this.

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Speaker 6: To get out in front of it, almost to not

1135
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 6: to head off the disappointment, because if you plan on

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00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 6: spending your offseason thinking, hoping and dreaming they're gonna get

1137
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 6: Kyle Schwarber, you are going to be disappointed. And I

1138
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 6: don't want you disappointed. When we come back, you are

1139
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 6: going to hear the first of two clips tonight of

1140
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 6: things that happen on this date in Red's history. I'll

1141
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 6: give you a hint. This date nineteen seventy three Pete

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01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 6: and Bud you will hear it next Rnel Carrier Sports

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 6: Talk presented by Kelsey Schaffy Life seven hundred WLW. Hey

1144
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 6: shout out to those listening on the iHeart Radio app

1145
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 6: tonight from Central Florida, Detroit, Clarkston, Michigan, more specifically Dardenell.

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01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 6: Is it Dardanell, Arkansas, Akron, Ohio, Lexington, Kentucky, West Milton, Ohio, Franklin, Pennsylvania, Columbus, Oxford,

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 6: you name it, they are listening. Thank you for taking

1148
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 6: the time to connect and follow the show from all

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01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 6: parts around the country and around the world. That is

1150
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 6: very cool. It was this date, you know, I end

1151
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Speaker 6: the show tonight. It'll be eight fifty final segment with

1152
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 6: a on this date in reds Or sports history, and

1153
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 6: I have two tonight, so I want to break it up.

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01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 6: And this one you're a out to hear happened on

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01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 6: this date nineteen seventy three. It was the NLCS Red

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01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 6: to the Mets Chase Stadium. Rusty Stop hit two home

1157
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 6: runs in the game. Mets beat the Reds nine to

1158
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 6: two to take a two games to one lead in

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01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 6: the series, but in the fifth inning, Joe Morgan's at

1160
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 6: the plate, Pete Rose is on first. Joe Morgan hits

1161
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 6: a groundball on the right side of the Mets attempt

1162
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 6: to turn two. Pete went in hard at second base

1163
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 6: shortstop Buddy Harrelson trying to turn the double play, and

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01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 6: it was on. Now what you're about to hear is

1165
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 6: from the Mets radio. Call I don't have the Reds. Call,

1166
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 6: I just don't. The archives are very spotty. It's very frustrating.

1167
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 6: As somebody who loves clips from the history of Cincinnati

1168
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 6: Sports and the Reds. I wish I had an archive

1169
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 6: that gave me every moment of every game in history.

1170
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 6: But it's very hit and miss, and I very much

1171
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 6: appreciate Matt Reese sorting through so much stuff over the

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 6: last two years and passing it on to me to

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Speaker 6: save it and play when it comes up. This, however,

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01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 6: is from the Mets broadcast, but you'll hear the chaos

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01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 6: that took place this day nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 16: Take a listen, Well, why everybody, This is five Burpy

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Speaker 16: with Ralph Kater and Lindsey Nelson reading you from the

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Speaker 16: Kay Stadium on an absolutely beautiful afternoon Game three of

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Speaker 16: the Championship Series. In today's third game of the top

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01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 16: of five championship series, but I still a cross for

1181
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 16: Cincinnati left ender Rob Grimsley, he won thirteen.

1182
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Speaker 4: During the season. For the New York Mets left.

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01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 16: Ender Jerry Kusman, he won fourteen during the season. All

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 16: the Cincinnati read Pete Rose wille if he'll be in

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01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 16: my field, mating second to second baseman, Joe Morgan stating

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Speaker 16: third and playing first, Dade Tony Perret that he points

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01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 16: to get here, John bench mat He's test playing right field,

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01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 16: Andy Coskow mattings six the center theater head Arm Bridger

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Speaker 16: that he's seventh, playin third base. Tennis, Benki Betty, Nathan Blaine,

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Speaker 16: George Dot, Darryl Chenney and the victor. Rob Simsley that

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Speaker 16: he ninth. Jill Morgan the number two better one for

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Speaker 16: two single to right, drove a run home in the

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Speaker 16: third of the ground, balled down the first place filer

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Speaker 16: has it throws somebody house in one the first out

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Speaker 16: of pay and a fight breaks out.

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Speaker 3: A fight breaks out.

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Speaker 16: Pete Rose and Buddy Helston both trumps stood out of

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Speaker 16: the that guys, and a wild.

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Speaker 4: Fighter is going on.

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Speaker 16: Garry Coomsmin's in the middle of the fight. You'll come

1201
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 16: to players from the dugouts from the table.

1202
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Speaker 14: Everybody is out there.

1203
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 16: Buddy Howson and Pete Rose got into it.

1204
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: Rose of Palley.

1205
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 9: Pocket.

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Speaker 16: Helston had done something and making him the double place

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Speaker 16: Rose about.

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Speaker 5: Ten times the size.

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Speaker 12: And now Rosey Kappa is.

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Speaker 5: An a fight.

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Speaker 16: Half there's gonna fight out of center field. Another fight

1212
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 16: breaks up and they fuss are ready flying head. Rose

1213
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Speaker 16: went after Buddy Hells and rolls. Don't weighs Hells at

1214
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 16: about thirty five pounds. And now they're really having trouble

1215
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 16: holding on to somebody out there. We will be held

1216
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 16: up now here and say because the fans have been

1217
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 16: throwing fighty goes out of the fans and the left field,

1218
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 16: hed Rose got mad, grabbed a couple of things and

1219
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 16: grew him back towards the fans. Heat is really hot.

1220
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 16: Al Spargie Anderson is walking out toward left field.

1221
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Speaker 4: Some snatty players had to get out of the way.

1222
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Speaker 16: It's very dangerous. They were throwing some empty bottles out

1223
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Speaker 16: of the sands, which can be paramly dangerous on the

1224
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Speaker 16: public addresses from here and today they are asking the

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Speaker 16: fans to cooperate now because they could be dangerous. That

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Speaker 16: was about a while and medios I every saw Bob

1227
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Speaker 16: and what happened just now now of the bottles just

1228
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 16: going out Rose picked up at least too and to

1229
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 16: the back nan of the sat Mikey hadis is now

1230
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Speaker 16: out left field.

1231
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Speaker 3: Had stood off by what.

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Speaker 16: They can do now the public about the phil advising

1233
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 16: the crowd that interupairing with the game could lead to apartment.

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Speaker 6: An unbelievable scene on this date, nineteen seventy three. Perhaps

1235
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 6: the most unreal moment of that was Pedro Barbone picking

1236
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 6: up a hat in the on the ground. His hat

1237
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 6: had been knocked off. He picks up a hat and

1238
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 6: puts it on his head, thinking it's his Red's cap.

1239
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 6: It turns out it was a Mets cap. It was

1240
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 6: Buzz Capra's cap. Upon realizing that, pedroor Barbone took off

1241
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 6: the hat and took a bite out of the bill

1242
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 6: and began biting chewing pieces out of the bill of

1243
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 6: Buzzkapra's hat. If that does not say pedroor Barbone, I

1244
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 6: don't know what does up next? Eight o'clock hour. One

1245
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 6: of Sunday's underlying themes for the Bengals game was the

1246
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 6: number of Lions fans in the stands at pay Corps.

1247
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 6: There is a running dialogue this week among fans that

1248
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 6: I find fascinating. I'd like to ask you about it

1249
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 6: and then ask for your participation in the conversation. Let's

1250
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 6: check news First, RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey

1251
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 6: Chevrolet seven hundred WLW.

1252
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 6: All right, let's keep it moving, no reason to slow

1254
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 6: down down and I'm only got fifty one minutes to

1255
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 6: get it done.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for being here.

1257
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 6: It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. We've

1258
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 6: been here there in averywhere first hour was Joe Flacco

1259
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 6: conversation on the day where the new Bengals starting quarterback

1260
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 6: practice for the first time, Zach Taylor saying earlier in

1261
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 6: the day they are preparing him to start on Sunday.

1262
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 6: James Orpene checked in from Bengals Talk dot Com. That's

1263
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 6: available in podcast form eventually at seven hundred WLW dot

1264
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 6: com and through the iHeartRadio app. Second hour tonight was

1265
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 6: Red's conversation. We kind of put the twenty twenty five

1266
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 6: season to bed. That means starting maybe later in the

1267
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 6: week or next week, we'll start getting into the offseason

1268
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 6: questions about your Cincinnati Reds. But in this hour Bengals

1269
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 6: first hour, Red second air, let's do fans you in

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01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 6: the third.

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Speaker 2: Hour, I'll explain it just a second update.

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Speaker 6: They go bottom eight at Wrigley, Cubs leading the Brewers

1273
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 6: four to three. It was four to one. The cub

1274
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 6: scored four in the first. It is four to three,

1275
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 6: Bottom eight. Milwaukee leads that series two games to none.

1276
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 6: Top four Jayson, Yankees one to one. Jays lead that

1277
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 6: series two games to one. Phillies and Dodgers get underway

1278
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 6: in less than an hour. The Tigers beat the Mayor Earners,

1279
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 6: forcing a game five, nine to three. The final score.

1280
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 6: You are updated on the Major League Baseball news of

1281
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 6: the moment. All right, this is where you commit. On Sunday,

1282
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 6: one of the underlying themes to the game was the

1283
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 6: number of Detroit Lions fans in the stands at pay Corps.

1284
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 6: We've talked about how the Bengals looked or didn't look,

1285
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 6: and Jake Browning and I'm talking specifically about a fan

1286
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 6: topic here because that and it's now Wednesday.

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01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 2: That has been something that has carried on and on

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01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: and on. Throughout the week.

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Speaker 6: I've had some really good conversations with fans talking about

1290
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 6: this point, the running dialogue among fans about reselling tickets

1291
01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 6: to fans of the other team. Got an email this

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Speaker 6: morning from Gary, and Gary said in the email Lance

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01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 6: at lancemacallister dot com, he said, my wife and I

1294
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 6: have split season tickets for the last twenty five years

1295
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 6: with my brother in law. We got to the game

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 6: on Sunday and we are in the first row and

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01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 6: we see a card taped to the seat. I opened

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01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 6: it and it's from my Bengals ticket rep, thanking me

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 6: for attending the game and not reselling my tickets. And

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 6: Gary adds Lancet was the biggest visiting team crowd I

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01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 6: have ever witnessed in my twenty five years as a

1302
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 6: Bengals season ticket holder, and added I'm growing tired of

1303
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 6: hearing the chant let's go fill in the blank with

1304
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 6: the visitor at Bengals or Red's games. And after I

1305
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 6: got that, I said, Okay, i' got to make this

1306
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 6: a topic tonight. And it's the idea of do you

1307
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 6: believe how do I want to see this? Do you

1308
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 6: believe fans have an obligation or responsibility that comes with

1309
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 6: the resale of their tickets. There is a thought by

1310
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 6: some within the fan base that Sunday should have never

1311
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 6: happened because Bengal fans who chose not to go should

1312
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 6: have never sold their tickets to Lions fans.

1313
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: And if you saw it, you talk.

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01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 6: About disrupting the color scheme in the stands with the

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01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 6: Honolulu Blue, it absolutely did. Let me open up the

1316
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 6: phone lines five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand,

1317
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 6: one eight hundred, the big one, and have you weigh

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01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 6: in on this, because while I find it fascinating.

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 6: I don't understand the grounds for the complaint, and I'm

1321
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 6: no longer a season ticket older. But I would consider

1322
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 6: my only responsibility if I were a season ticket holder,

1323
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 6: my only responsibility and obligation would be to me that

1324
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 6: if I can't go, if I don't want to go,

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 6: whoever makes me the best offer and relives me of

1326
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 6: the tickets that I can't use or choose not to use.

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01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,599
Speaker 6: That's where my allegiance goes.

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01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 6: At the same time, I totally understand the policy I

1330
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 6: believe by just about every team in the NFL, if

1331
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 6: not everyone, that they reserve the right to stop selling

1332
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 6: season tickets to people who keep reselling their season tickets.

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01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: Those plays are in place. Different teams have different levels

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01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 2: you have to hit.

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01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 6: Yet if you sell you know, twenty five percent of

1336
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 6: the games, or fifty percent of the games, or one

1337
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 6: hundred percent of the games, then you're off the list.

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01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 6: You don't get to renew the following year. In preparing

1339
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 6: for this topic, I in addition at talking with people

1340
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 6: around here, looking up various teams in relation to resale

1341
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 6: of tickets and lo and behold the Packers president and

1342
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 6: their CEO.

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: His name's ed Policy.

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01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 6: He does a Q and A with Packer fans on

1345
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 6: Packers dot com, and last week's Q and A mailbag

1346
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 6: had this very question, you're ready. This is Green Bay,

1347
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 6: and this fan said, I've been waiting for over twenty

1348
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 6: five years for season tickets. With so many tickets being

1349
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 6: sold every game, our home games are starting to look

1350
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 6: like we are the visitors. When will the Packers start

1351
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 6: pulling season tickets. Let's get back to filling the stadium

1352
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 6: with green and gold and Packer fans. That's in Green Bay,

1353
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 6: in historic lambeau Field. They are saying, what's up? Why

1354
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 6: are so many tickets being resold and why are so

1355
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 6: many opposing fans in our stadium in Green Bay. The

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 6: answer from the Packers president was as follows quote, there

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 6: was a lot of conversation about Lions fans at our

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01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 6: home opener. In an ideal world, every seat in Lambeau

1359
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 6: would be filled with a Packers fan, but some of

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 6: that is certainly out of our control. More specifically, he said,

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01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 6: on your point about the waiting list, as you may

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01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 6: have seen, we have not renewed season tickets for ticket

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 6: holders who sold one hundred percent of their tickets for

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 6: multiple years. This process is getting dedicated fans off the

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01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 6: wait list and into seats at Lambeau. Additionally, we have

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01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 6: consistently encouraged fans to attend the games themselves. For the

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01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 6: occasional times they cannot attend, try to sell their tickets

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 6: to friends, family, neighbors who are Packers fans. Finally, if

1369
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:06,440
Speaker 6: that's not possible, occasionally donate to the NFL Ticket Exchange

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01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 6: as a safe and reliable resale option. I understand the

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01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 6: passion behind this running dialogue since Sunday. I understand the

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01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 6: shock of walking into the stadium on Sunday and going, oh,

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01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:21,520
Speaker 6: good golly.

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01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 2: How there's so many people in Honolulu blue here.

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01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 6: I do not understand pushback on asking someone to specifically

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01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 6: resell to a fan of, in this case, the Bengals.

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01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 6: If I've got a ticket that I'm not using, I

1378
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 6: want the biggest return on my investment. I can get

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 6: in that ticket and I don't care who it comes

1380
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 6: from or what team they follow. And if I am

1381
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 6: sick and can't make a game, I will resell my tickets.

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,640
Speaker 6: If I got the schedule and includes a Monday night

1383
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 6: and a Thursday night, and I work nights and I

1384
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 6: can't go to those games, I will resell those tickets

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01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 6: and ideally try to recoup not just the money for

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 6: those tickets, I'll try to make back the money I

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01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 6: spent on the entire season for season tickets. If it's

1388
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,880
Speaker 6: a big enough game, maybe I've got a child I

1389
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 6: don't know, but graduating or getting married, or maybe it's

1390
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 6: a bad game, or maybe it's a bad weather game,

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01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 6: or maybe it's a game where the team's been eliminated.

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01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 6: I feel no sense of obligation at all to resell

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01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 6: to a specific fan base of the game. I was

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01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 6: originally supposed to attend. But I fully understand an organization saying,

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01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 6: wait a minute, we're tracking your season tickets and last

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01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 6: year you didn't attend a single game. You resold all

1398
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 6: your tickets, so you no longer get the right to

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01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 6: purchase our season tickets. Totally get that. Totally get that.

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 6: And again I'm assuming that it is it varies from

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01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 6: one team to the next. What the Packers said it

1402
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 6: was it seems like if you resell one hundred percent

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01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 6: of your tickets for more than one year, they will

1404
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 6: kick you out and you don't get it the next year.

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01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 6: I also found in preparing for this, I found a

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01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 6: story about Lions fans season ticket holders who were reselling

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01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 6: their tickets and had their season tickets revoked at the

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01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 6: end of last season.

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01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 2: So I've never done of.

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01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 6: All the topics I've done, and I've been back here

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01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 6: since nineteen ninety seven, I've been back here in twenty

1412
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 6: eight years, I've never done a topic about obligation slash

1413
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 6: responsibilities of reselling your tickets and if there is one

1414
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 6: to try to resell to the home team fans, or

1415
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 6: what the obligations are if you're not going. But I

1416
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 6: gotta tell you this topic has not slowed down since Sunday.

1417
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 6: It was going going on during the game, and it

1418
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 6: has continued since Sunday's game.

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01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.

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01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 6: Five one, three, seven, four, nine hundred The Big Win

1421
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 6: You're next RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet

1422
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 6: seven hundred WW.

1423
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: Cubs win, Cubs win, Cubs. Well, they're playing that damn song.

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01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 9: Hey you got go?

1425
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:26,759
Speaker 3: What is Cubs?

1426
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 17: Hey?

1427
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 6: Go, Cubs Go, Go, Cubs go. Oh look at Iam

1428
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 6: singing at Wrigley. Four to three the final score. Cubs

1429
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 6: stay alive. They trail Milwaukee two to one in the series.

1430
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 6: Two to one in the series. Right now, end of

1431
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 6: four the Blue Jays and Yankees tied at one. Dodgers

1432
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 6: Philly is coming up at nine oh eight. Here at

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01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 6: nine oh eight, damn Carol, jump into the phones. The

1434
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 6: conversation that has been hot and heavy since many started

1435
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 6: arriving at pay Corpse Stadium on Sunday, and the the number,

1436
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 6: the overwhelming number of Detroit Live fans in the stands,

1437
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 6: and the idea of.

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01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: In some corners, guys, what are we doing here?

1439
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 6: If you're not going to go to the game, don't

1440
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 6: get don't sell them to Lions fans. Well, if we're

1441
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 6: being honest, if I had a ticket I was trying

1442
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 6: to resell, and uh, let's pick a number seventy five

1443
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 6: dollars ticket and somebody's giving me eighty dollars for that ticket,

1444
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 6: and a Lions fan was giving me a hundred for

1445
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 6: that ticket. Does anybody really think I'm giving it to

1446
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 6: the Bengals fan for eighty when I could give it

1447
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:27,639
Speaker 6: to Lions fan for one hundred.

1448
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: Why would I do that? I'm under no obligation to

1449
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 2: do that.

1450
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 6: Virginia we Go and Jeff, you are on seven hundred

1451
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 6: WLW Hey Lance.

1452
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 18: Important thing to note here is not every Lions fan

1453
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 18: was sitting in a secondary market seat. Even though there's

1454
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 18: a waiting list. You could have bought tickets on Ticketmaster

1455
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 18: all the way up to two.

1456
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 3: Hours before the game.

1457
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 17: Sure, now we.

1458
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 18: Supposedly have a season ticket waiting list. Do the Bengals

1459
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 18: offer unsold season tickets to season ticket waiting list holders?

1460
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 9: First?

1461
01:18:58,360 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't know.

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01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 18: They should, and they should also try to put into

1463
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 18: a season ticket contract some form of right of first

1464
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 18: refusal buy those tickets back. And whether they're so unsold.

1465
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 18: Season tickets are bought back from season ticket holders. Give

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01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 18: them the youth football teams, last year's state championship contenders,

1467
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 18: anything to keep those people out of the football stadium.

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01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: I could meet you on that.

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01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 6: But what do you tell the person who says, wait

1470
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 6: a minute, why should I sell it back to them

1471
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 6: at my cost? If somebody's willing to double the cost,

1472
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 6: and I could resell it to them.

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 18: If there truly is a substantial season ticket holder waiting list,

1474
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 18: not an issue, Just put it into the contract. If

1475
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 18: somebody says, I'm not getting my season tickets anymore, turn

1476
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 18: them over to the next guy on the waiting list. Yes,

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01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 18: angles do I know for a fact they use sniffers

1478
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 18: on secondary markets and people have lost their season tickets.

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01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wonder what the is? Do you know what

1480
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 6: the criteria is? The percentage of game? If you reach

1481
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 6: that level of resale, you're not allowed to buy next season.

1482
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 18: That's why I don't know if there's any level or not,

1483
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 18: but I have heard more than anecdotally that the Bengals

1484
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 18: do use sniffers on secondary ticket websites. And another thing

1485
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 18: to remember is ticket revenue anyway? Forty percent of the

1486
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 18: ticket revenue goes to the visiting team, So I don't

1487
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 18: think this is that big of a deal from a

1488
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 18: monetary perspective, except for the fact that the unsold season

1489
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 18: tickets on Ticketmaster are at least double or more than

1490
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 18: that the price of what season ticket holders paying.

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01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Jeff, thank you for listening, Thank you for calling.

1492
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 9: YEP.

1493
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: The Lions.

1494
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 6: According to a story that I found in one of

1495
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 6: the Detroit papers, the Lions, their words in the story,

1496
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 6: have a clear season ticket policy that all members must

1497
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 6: agree to.

1498
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 2: Periodically.

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01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 6: The ticket office will review the resale activity of their members.

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01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 6: After last season, two Lions season ticket holders were informed

1501
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,759
Speaker 6: they would not be allowed to renew their season tickets.

1502
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 6: The email reading quote to protect the integrity of our

1503
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 6: tickets and do our best to serve our fans, the

1504
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 6: Lions conduct an annual review of our Lions loyal member accounts.

1505
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 6: Our internal review of your account activity indicates a level

1506
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 6: of resale and or transfer activity inconsistent with personal use

1507
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 6: of your Detroit Lions game tickets, and we have made

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 6: the decision not to renew your season ticket membership for

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01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty five season. The letter went on to say,

1510
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 6: Detroit Lions season ticket memberships are a revocable license subject

1511
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 6: to the Detroit Lions ticketing policies. In this case, both

1512
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 6: the fans lived outside of the state of Michigan and

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01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 6: they would attend games at Ford Field when they were

1514
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 6: in town, and when asked about the policy and what

1515
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 6: happened to them, one of the season ticket holders told

1516
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 6: the newspaper, I thought the message was a bit curt

1517
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 6: and I thought maybe based on my tenure, they might

1518
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 6: take a look at my case and say, Okay, he

1519
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 6: really kind of he really kind of bombed out in

1520
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,799
Speaker 6: twenty twenty four, but we might give him another season.

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 6: And he pointed out in the article that he couldn't

1522
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 6: go to a number of games that were national TV games,

1523
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 6: primetime games because of work. Let's take a time out

1524
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 6: of continue a little bit more on this, maybe one

1525
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 6: more segment on this, because at eight point fifty tonight,

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01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 6: on this date in Red's history from the archives, you

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01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 6: will hear it all. Ahead, man, this has been fun tonight,

1528
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 6: A little bit of this, a little bit of that.

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01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 6: Dan Carroll's in at nine Let's check news. It's RNL

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01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 6: Carrier Sports Talk. It is presented by Kelsey Chevrolet and

1531
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 6: it's right here on seven hundred WLW eight thirty seven,

1532
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 6: seven hundred WLWRNL Carrier SportsTalk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. We

1533
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 6: are knee deep in this. Got to run through it,

1534
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 6: run through as many as we can in this segment.

1535
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 6: It stems from Sunday and the look the field, the

1536
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 6: vibe inside of pay Corpse Stadium, with the large number

1537
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 6: of Detroit Lion fans in the house. One twenty five

1538
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 6: year old, twenty five year season ticket older emailed me

1539
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 6: this morning and said it was the largest number of

1540
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 6: opposing fans he's experienced in the stadium in his twenty

1541
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 6: five years. And from that has become a conversation and

1542
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 6: back and forth within the fandom of hey, what are

1543
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 6: we doing here? If you don't want to go to

1544
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 6: the game, don't, for goodness sakes, don't sell the tickets

1545
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 6: to Lions fans or try to keep it, you know,

1546
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,640
Speaker 6: in the family, so to speak. And we're kind of

1547
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 6: talking about the sense of obligation when it comes to

1548
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 6: stuff like this or not. Let's head to Amelia. Hey, Rob,

1549
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 6: what do you think of all this?

1550
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a buddy, Thanks for having me on.

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01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 14: First of all, sure, but I have a buddy who

1552
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 14: has season tickets, and at the beginning of the season,

1553
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 14: whenever the schedule out, he'll say, Hey, these are the

1554
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 14: tickets that I can't go to who wants them? So

1555
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 14: I haven't been able to go to a game in

1556
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 14: a couple of years because they're not cheap tickets. That's

1557
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 14: the first problem, you know. And if to take my

1558
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 14: kids and my wife, it's five hundred dollars to go

1559
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 14: to a game.

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01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 9: You know.

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01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 14: The other problem is if the product that was on

1562
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,839
Speaker 14: the field was a lot better, they're probably more Bengals

1563
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 14: fans buying up the tickets to go watch the actual

1564
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 14: Bengals play and not the other other team.

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01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 2: I think that's a very fair point.

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01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 6: I think the previous two weeks had drained a lot

1567
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 6: of people and watching them score lose forty eight to

1568
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 6: ten and then lose twenty eight to three and really

1569
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 6: not be competitive. I think that drained a lot of

1570
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 6: people from the commitment of saying I want to be there,

1571
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 6: I need to see more from this team.

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01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 14: Absolutely, Why would I want to spend five hundred dollars

1573
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 14: on a team that's not going to do well and

1574
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 14: just just heart break, my heart.

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01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 6: Understood, understood. Hey, I appreciate you listening, and I really

1576
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 6: appreciate you calling tonight. Thanks all right, thank you this.

1577
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 6: I am very much enjoyed the conversation at all three

1578
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 6: levels tonight. Bengals in the first hour, Red's in the second,

1579
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 6: and this and our third. Hey, Gavin, what do you

1580
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 6: think of all this?

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01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:15,680
Speaker 17: Hey?

1582
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 3: Lance?

1583
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 19: Long time no talk. But I've been to Bengals games

1584
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 19: where there are more Steelers fans.

1585
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the Bengals games, and they're always.

1586
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 19: And you put a better product on the field, like

1588
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 19: a guy like the guy just said before me, people

1589
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:36,759
Speaker 19: will show up. And I went to the two thousand

1590
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 19: and five Bengals game in Detroit when Carson Palmer was

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01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 19: a quarterback and they clinched the NFC North and it

1592
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 19: was an orange out. I don't remember that, I do

1593
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 19: Matt millen By or a mill and people were clapping,

1594
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 19: they started playing music over the top. They couldn't hear

1595
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 19: all the Bengals fans and and the Detroit fans, but

1596
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,799
Speaker 19: the whole place was orange, and they made the NFL

1597
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 19: made a point of not showing the stands as much

1598
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 19: and just keeping the camera on the field. But I

1599
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 19: was at that game and that's when Caeme ov o'haffen,

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01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 19: the NIA assassin for Carson Palmer the first game of

1601
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 19: the playoffs, came back the next week, so I was

1602
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 19: really pumped. But I went to six Bengals games and

1603
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 19: that year at home, and then I went to the

1604
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 19: one in Detroit. We did something called bus on Us,

1605
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 19: which isn't even around anymore. We stayed at the same

1606
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 19: hotel and it it was just an absolute blast. It

1607
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 19: was so much fun, and I was glad that the

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01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 19: Detroit Lions fans had hold their tickets to me. I

1609
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 19: don't know how bus on us got them, but it

1610
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 19: was so much fun. It's probably the most fun I've

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01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 19: ever had at a football game. The bus ride up

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01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 19: and the bus ride back. We stayed at the same

1613
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 19: hotel as the Bengals, and it was an absolute blast.

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01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 19: And of course they went out of business because I

1615
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 19: couldn't figure out how they could sell it for that

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01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 19: small of a price. Apparently they couldn't either.

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01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 6: But yeah, hey, Gavin, thanks for picking up the phone tonight.

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01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 6: All right, all right, thanks, I have a great night.

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01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I give the Bengals credit.

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01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 6: The ticket rep who wrote the note and left it

1621
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 6: on the seat saying thank you for being here today

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01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 6: and not reselling. That's a nice personal touch. Independence we go,

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01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 6: Hey Mike, how are you?

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01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 9: Hey?

1625
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 13: Lance?

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01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 4: How are you doing good?

1627
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 2: What do you got?

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01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 11: I almost a ticket holder.

1629
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 9: I have three seats.

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01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 11: I pay almost four thousand dollars for those seats. I

1631
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 11: work out of town throughout the year, but I always

1632
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 11: travel back for the games. If I can get a

1633
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 11: flight or found what I'm doing, I'll get back.

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01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 3: Usually take my kids with me. So a Thursday game

1635
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 3: the Monday game kind of you know, hurts a little bit.

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01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 11: But what I usually do is I'll sell, you know,

1637
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 11: so free tickets maybe and I'll buy back two sehn

1638
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 11: who's going with me? Or buy back one in a

1639
01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 11: different area.

1640
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a wash. I'll get better seats for

1641
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 3: whatever it may be. But I use a local ticket.

1642
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 11: Site through Facebook that has local guys on there exchanging

1643
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 11: tickets back and forth, so I don't have to feed.

1644
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 11: I know goes to somebody in in the city, and

1645
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 11: if I want to buy tickets later on, I know

1646
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,120
Speaker 11: I can go to that site and buy tickets back

1647
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 11: from somebody else that I can vouch for that, I've

1648
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 11: dealt with it a pass, so that's what I do.

1649
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 11: And when I travel to games away, I want to

1650
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 11: have that option to buy tickets from somebody selling tickets

1651
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 11: from in Buffalo, for instance. I'm on their sites as well,

1652
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 11: so I can buy tickets to that game if I

1653
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 11: want to go out visiting teams as well. But once

1654
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 11: Burrow got hurt, I can tell.

1655
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 9: You that, you know, it wasn't easy.

1656
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 3: But it's sound like.

1657
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 11: Seats anymore because everybody was selling their seats.

1658
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: It was kind of a fire sales.

1659
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 11: So it's hard at that point to get tickets sold, so,

1660
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 11: you know, And.

1661
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 3: I was laid off last month, so now I'm in.

1662
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 11: A position where I'm gonna pay for these seats still

1663
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 11: and I can't sell my tickets. No, I'm kind of

1664
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 11: going to buy, you know, once fan be there. I

1665
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 11: don't fans be there, but at the same time, I

1666
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 11: gotta get you know, you know, sold if I can.

1667
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely well, sorry to hear that news hanging there,

1668
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 6: and uh and best of luck, and I thank you

1669
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 6: for calling tonight, all right, thanks Lamin, all right, thank

1670
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 6: you that was good insight. Not the best of news

1671
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 6: for him, but good insight and certainly wish him the

1672
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 6: best going forward. Western Hills we go, Hey, Rick, You're

1673
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 6: on seven hundred WLW.

1674
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: Hey Lane. So analogy.

1675
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 17: Yes, in nineteen ninety two, I had great, great U

1676
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 17: SEE basketball tickets.

1677
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean seventh row foul. I traveled.

1678
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 17: I traveled to every tournament game they went to until

1679
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 17: they went to the Final four and I couldn't make it.

1680
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:55,480
Speaker 17: My boss at a well known company in downtown Cincinnabi

1681
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 17: worked very hard to get me a road trip to

1682
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 17: Minneapolis and just couldn't pull it off. So I had

1683
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 17: eight tickets Row seven and UC Arena that translated to

1684
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 17: two tickets to the Final four, and couldn't do it,

1685
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 17: couldn't make it work. So I put them on the market.

1686
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 17: They sold. I didn't care who bottom.

1687
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 3: I didn't care.

1688
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 17: I got my next year's season ticket license and my

1689
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 17: season eight eight tickets I paid.

1690
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 14: For by selling two tickets to.

1691
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 17: The Final four in Row twenty one, and I really

1692
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 17: didn't care who bottom. I sold into a well own

1693
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 17: ticket broker, and the next year, the University of Cincinnati

1694
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 17: put a policy.

1695
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 3: In place that said you have to be on site.

1696
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 3: You have to be on site to pick up tickets.

1697
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 3: We will not give you your tickets before.

1698
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 6: That's both sides of the story, right, that's a great story, man,

1699
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 6: I'm glad you shared it. Thanks for calling tonight, have

1700
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,879
Speaker 6: a good night. How about that? How about the parlaying

1701
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,560
Speaker 6: that into that? Okay, one more ray you get the

1702
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 6: final word on seven hundred ww wow.

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01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and good evening, Good evening.

1704
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 20: I've been listening, been listening for a while, and there's

1705
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 20: one issue about this whole thing that I haven't heard, yes,

1706
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:34,639
Speaker 20: and that is that the Cincinnati Bengals and every other

1707
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 20: professional sport is a business. Yes, And because it is

1708
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 20: a business, they have to market a product. And the

1709
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 20: way they're trying to market that product is by instilling

1710
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 20: in people the same love of a team that a

1711
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 20: person would have had in high score college. Now it's

1712
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 20: a business because it's a business, just like that gentleman

1713
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:00,040
Speaker 20: that just talk.

1714
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 14: Up, Hey, if you can turn a buck, yes, make money.

1715
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 20: Isn't that what all those people are running around on

1716
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 20: the field trying to do is make a lot of money.

1717
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 2: Doing great point.

1718
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 3: That's all.

1719
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: Hey, that's all I know. It's a great thank you.

1720
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 2: It's a great way to wrap up. Thank you. I mean,

1721
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 2: think about it.

1722
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Speaker 6: Say it's it's whatever, eight games if you if there's

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01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 6: a big game, it's a Steeler game, and you can

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01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 6: turn two tickets to one of your games into pick

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01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 6: a number, tripling, quadrupling, getting five times more. Think of

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01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 6: what that means down the road. It just goes on

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01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 6: and on, and I got to tell you I probably

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01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 6: should have done this earlier in the show. I very

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01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 6: much enjoyed the input and the things I've learned. Tonight

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Speaker 6: up next, on this date in Red's History, October the eighth,

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01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 6: nineteen sixty one, the Reds and Yankees playing Game four

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01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 6: the World Series. You will hear a clip from that

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01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 6: broadcast as we continue the RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented

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01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 6: by Kelsey Chevallet, seven hundred WLW. They go bottom six

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01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 6: in New York, Blue Jays leading Yankees two to one.

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01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 2: Jays lead the series two to one, lead the game

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01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 2: to one.

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01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 6: Phillies and Dodgers getting underway in about uh at fifteen

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01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 6: minutes nine oh eight. First pitch tonight on this date

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01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 6: Red's History. When I have it in the archives, I

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01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 6: play it. So let's go back nineteen sixty one, on

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01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 6: this date, October the eighth, nineteen sixty one Game four

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01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 6: the World Series, Yankees Reds crosley Field.

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01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 2: Here is how it sounded.

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01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 21: Way here in Crosley Field, Cincinnati, for the fourth game

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01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 21: in this nineteen sixty one World Series. The weather is perfect,

1747
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 21: once again, sunny and bright, the temperature in the high seventies.

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01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 21: The big question today is can the Cincinnati Reds top

1749
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 21: Whitey Fourth. The Reds playing on their home grounds, Crosley Field,

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01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 21: and Cincinnati now trailed two games to one to the

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01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 21: New York Yankees. On this afternoon, they come up against

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01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 21: the standout picture of this past season, Whitey Ford, who

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01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 21: won twenty five games this past season for New York

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01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 21: while losing but four. Whitey four, who has already shut

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01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 21: the Reds out once in this series and including last

1756
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 21: year's series against Pittsburgh, has now pitched three series shotouts

1757
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 21: in a row for the New York Yankees. At second base,

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01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 21: leading off hits, Bobby Richison boting second and playing shortstop,

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01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 21: Tony Quebec Botting third, playing right field, Roger Morris Botting

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01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 21: fourth playing center field, Mickey Mettle, the number five hitter

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01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 21: during the catching Elston Howard Boting sixth, then playing left

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01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 21: the Yogi Berra botting seventh and playing first base, Bill

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01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 21: Scollon botting eighth and playing third base, Kleet Boyer and

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01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 21: batting ninth and pitching. Whitey Ford. Now for the Cincinnati Reds,

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01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 21: leading off and playing second base.

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01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,080
Speaker 3: Here we are Chicken batting.

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01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 21: Second and playing shortstop, Eddie Casca batting third and playing

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01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 21: center field, Data Pinson botting fourth and playing right field,

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01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:40,759
Speaker 21: Frank Robinson botting fifth and playing left field, Wally post

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01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 21: foting sixth playing third base, Gene Freeze hitting in the

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01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 21: seventh spot, playing first base, Gordy Coleman, the catcher botting eighth,

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01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 21: Daryl Johnson, and the pitcher betting ninth, Jim o' two.

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01:35:57,439 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 22: One ball in two. Stritch in Quebec to take a

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01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 22: little time now, bracing himself against the pitchers rubber. He pitches.

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01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 22: There's a ball hit out in the right center and

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01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 22: it's in that for a base it the throw is

1777
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 22: in thowt home plate. A run is scoring as Quebec.

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01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 22: There's a throw to second base as Quebec went to second,

1779
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 22: continued on the second Ey sort of a fly ball

1780
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 22: base hit in the right center field, and Ford has

1781
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 22: scored from second base, and that puts the Yankees out

1782
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 22: in front two to nothing.

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01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 21: Coat's all set to work, delivers and has a high

1784
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 21: fly ball. The right field LF has jogs in, he

1785
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 21: waits for it, He's got it, and there's the ball game.

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01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 9: Toddles.

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01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 21: In the ball game, New York seven runs, eleven hits

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01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 21: out of Nora's and Cincinnati no runs, five hits.

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Speaker 9: And one eer.

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Speaker 6: A portion of this date, nineteen to sixty one, Game

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01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 6: four of the World Series, Yankees win, go up three

1792
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 6: to one in the series. Whitey Ford five shoutout aitnings.

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01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 6: Jim O'Toole had five innings allowing two runs before thirty

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01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 6: two thousand, five hundred and eighty nine. That audio from

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01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:12,600
Speaker 6: sixty four years ago today unbelievable. Whitey Ford set a

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01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 6: World Series record for consecutive scoreless innings, extending his streak

1797
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 6: to thirty two straight. He'd pitched three consecutive complete game

1798
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 6: shutouts in World Series play, added five more in this game.

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01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 6: Thirty two straight scoreless innings. Unbelievable.

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01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:33,799
Speaker 2: Let's see one other note from this date, nineteen to nineteen.

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01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 2: This is wild.

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01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 6: Any seacot on the White Sox beat the Reds four

1803
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 6: to one. In Game seven of that nineteen nineteen World Series,

1804
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 6: it cut the Reds laid to four games to three.

1805
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 6: It was the best of nine and according to the

1806
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 6: evidence later made public gamblers you know Black Sox scandal

1807
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 6: on that shit. The gamblers who had wagered a lot

1808
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 6: of money on the Reds on the understanding that the

1809
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 6: White Sox would throw the series, were getting nervous at

1810
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 6: this point and made threats on the next day's pitcher,

1811
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 6: Lefty Williams, to ensure the series ends as they expected.

1812
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:11,759
Speaker 6: Reds win the series five games to three, and finally,

1813
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,360
Speaker 6: we track the machine. Tonight, in honor of this year's

1814
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 6: fiftieth anniversary of the nineteen seventy five Big Red Machine,

1815
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 6: we do a nightly status check on where this team

1816
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,280
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01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 6: this date in nineteen seventy five. It was the day

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01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,000
Speaker 6: after the Reds had swept the Pirates and the NLCS

1822
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 6: had beaten Pittsburgh five to three and ten innings. They

1823
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 6: scored two in the eighth to take the lead. The

1824
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 6: Bucks tied the game in the bottom of the ninth,

1825
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 6: then in the tenth at Armbrister a sacrifice fly and

1826
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 6: Joe Morgan an RBI double.

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01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,280
Speaker 2: The red struck out fifteen times in that game.

1828
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 6: John Candelario, the Candy Man, struck out fourteen in seven

1829
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 6: and two thirds innings. But the Reds find a way

1830
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 6: to win Eastwick. The win borbone the save. The Reds

1831
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 6: outscored the Pirates nineteen to seven in the series. They

1832
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,879
Speaker 6: stole eleven bases off of Manny Sanghi in the Pirates

1833
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 6: Catcher eleven steals. The Pirates did not steal a single

1834
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:25,719
Speaker 6: base against Johnny Bench in that series. Pete had five hits,

1835
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,640
Speaker 6: Tony had five, Concepcion had five, Caesar Geronimo went oh

1836
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 6: for ten with seven strikeouts, and Johnny went one for

1837
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 6: thirteen with six strikeouts. The Pirates hit a buck ninety

1838
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 6: eight in the series. Dave Parker held hitless in the

1839
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 6: series oh for ten, So at this point the Reds

1840
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 6: collected their breath, had some time to rest. The World

1841
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 6: Series would not start for three more days October the

1842
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:54,520
Speaker 6: eleventh at Fenway against those Boston Red Sox.

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01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 2: That is tracking the.

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Speaker 6: get out of here Tomorrow night, roundtable show, Long Necks, Richwood,

1849
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 6: Rocky's out, He's on assignment, Trags, Mike Petrall you will

1850
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 6: join me in the six o'clock hour. Hope to see

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01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 6: you there tomorrow night and then Friday night. Friday Night,

1852
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,879
Speaker 6: are Off the Beaten Path topic will be our annual

1853
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 6: Joe Nuxall topic. Last week was the anniversary of his

1854
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 6: sign off, his final broadcast. We will celebrate that and

1855
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 6: remember Joe as we do every single year. Couldn't do

1856
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 6: it last week because I was off on Friday at

1857
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 6: a Joe Nusall Miracle League Fields event, ironically enough, but

1858
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 6: we will do it this Friday night in the eight

1859
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 6: o'clock hour.

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01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 2: Can't wait.

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Speaker 6: This has been the Rnel Carriers Sports Talk presented by

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01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 6: Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW