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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Congressman Massy. I always enjoy having you on

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Speaker 2: It's a very special day in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 3: I got a I've been fighting for five months against

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Speaker 3: the Speaker of the House, the President of the United States,

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Speaker 2: Every power that's in Washington, DC was trying to stop me.

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Speaker 2: And yesterday I succeeded it, passing a bill in the

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Speaker 2: House of Representatives to release the Epstein files. And the

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Speaker 2: vote was four hundred and twenty seven to.

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Speaker 1: One plus unanimous consent to release it. Out of the sentence.

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Speaker 1: This is going through. This is a done deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for the for the process nerds. The Senate usually

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Speaker 2: In fact, they'll get it at ten am this morning, but.

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Speaker 4: They've already voted agreed that as soon as it's there,

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Speaker 1: Well, I know there was some discussions there might be

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Speaker 1: But beyond that, clearly there are going to be no amendments.

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Speaker 1: It is moving through it at light speed, which, as

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, somebody asked, why did he eventually come

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Speaker 2: There. I mean there were, Brian, there were so many

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Speaker 2: And then after they did that, you know they can

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Speaker 2: but they were going to try. The Speaker Johnson wanted

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Speaker 2: the bill. He was saying that they needed to protect

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got to do a real brief history on this.

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Speaker 1: Democrats were in control under the Biden administration. They had

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Speaker 1: There is no Epstein Black Book. So the position was

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Speaker 1: What is behind all of this? Congressman Thomas Massey.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's only one explanation. They all got elected and

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Speaker 2: they looked at these files and they held, dear Lord,

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Speaker 2: Well the problem here, Brian, is there a thousand victims.

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Speaker 2: This thing was so widespread and so pervasive and went

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Speaker 2: We had a press conference, the biggest press conference that

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Speaker 2: So they brought pictures to our press conference to humanize

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that he liked younger women. He liked girls

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, my listening audience i'd like to hope

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Speaker 1: If you're engaged in molesting children, you should be held accountable.

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Speaker 2: Right? And I'm sorry if you're embarrassed by the release

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Speaker 1: There you go, I agree, But are there are there

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we're past the era of Bill Clinton

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Speaker 2: But here's the reality. There were politicians, there will be

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Speaker 2: there are billionaires in these files, and they transcend parties.

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Speaker 2: The billionaires go look at their donation records, like the

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Speaker 2: They do fundraisers for Chuck Schumer. They max donate to

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, real quick, Congressman Massy, you had mentioned I

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Speaker 1: a little more documents. Release. Justice Department says there's nothing there.

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Speaker 1: Everyone seems to have them, and they see them magically

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Speaker 2: I have not, but I have particular insight into those documents,

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Speaker 2: and let me tell you why. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Don't get distracted. They say, we've released ten thousand documents,

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand documents. We're going to release another fifty thousand documents.

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Speaker 2: What they have failed to do so far is to

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Speaker 2: give us the entire well. We want everything in the well. Now,

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Speaker 2: what's the insight that I have into the the those documents?

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Speaker 1: And you may have just pointed out the obvious reason

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Speaker 2: Correct included in these files. When you take them as

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Speaker 1: That's the one that it suggested it is an FBI agent,

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Speaker 2: The pipe bomb thing was a ruse to distract police

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Speaker 1: Video, all on video, and ultimately all this done presumably

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Speaker 5: Not just Donald Trump, but an entire movement of people, yes,

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Speaker 1: Bombs and whatnot, well, and insane FBI agents who were

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Speaker 2: Did you know that the senators put half a million

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Speaker 5: For the CR?

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Speaker 2: Matthew, Why didn't you want to open the government. Because

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Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham and seven other Republicans in the Senate just

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Speaker 1: On self dealing. It's fully revealed, boy Congressman Thomas Massy,

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Speaker 1: Poulton is waiting in the wings, one of your favorite fans. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: you so much. Keep up the great work. I'll look

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Speaker 1: and best wishes from my entire listening audience, my family,

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Speaker 1: particularly on your wedding. I'm really happy for you, sir,

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'll press that onto my bride.

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Speaker 1: Please do, please do. I'm looking forward to meeting or

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Speaker 1: someday eight twenty eight judg Enita Polatano. He's waiting in

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