1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: This is a podcast from wor now. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: The WOAR Saturday Morning Show. Here's Larry Minty. Welcome to 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: Saturday Morning. On this week's show, you know Brett bher 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: is an anchor at Fox News, but he's also a 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 2: best selling author. We're going to talk about Brett's new book, 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: Teddy Roosevelt and the Rise of a Superpower. You also 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: know Scott Jennings as the Conservative on CNN. He has 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: a new book out called The Revolution of Common Sense. 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Syracuse Professor of TV and popular culture Robert Thompson is 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 2: here to talk about how streaming has changed our viewing habits. 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: And Scott Wiener from Scott's Pizza Tours talks about a 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: Brooklyn pizzeria that makes pizza in a century old Cole Oven. 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 2: But first, Brett bhar from Fox News. Brett, I'll tell 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: you this is a great honor. I watch you every 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: night and I appreciate the work you've done. I also 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: read the Ronald book Three Days in Moscow. You are 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: a wonderful storyteller and I'm looking forward to your next book. 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: Theoda Roosevelt is a wonderful topic. I think that a 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: lot of people know his bluster and know him as 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: this bigger than life politician. I'm not sure people understand 21 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: what a great conservationist he was as well. 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for having me. Teddy Roosevelt is a character, 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, he jumps off the page to your point. 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: He's so passionate and energetic, and it is just such 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: a rich character, full of anecdotes, that's easy to write 26 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: about his life each one of these books. So this 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: is my sixth, believe it or not. I started with 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: Eisenhower three days in January, then Reagan three days in Moscow, 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: then FDR three days at the Brink, then Grant to 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: rescue the Republic, then Washington to rescue the Constitution, and 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: this one Teddy Roosevelt to rescue the American spirit. The 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: reason this is so relevant is each one of these 33 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: books I look at a soda straw moment in history 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: that maybe was overlooked or didn't get covered that much, 35 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: or history just forgot in the big picture of context. 36 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: And this one looks at despite all of the things, 37 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: including conservation, and I talk a lot about that in 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: the book, all the things that Teddy Roosevelt wanted to 39 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: do his legacy. He wanted it to be that America 40 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: was a global leader on the world stage, that we 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: were leading the way and at the turn of the century, 42 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: that was really key for the world to understand that 43 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: America was in this pole position. And how he does 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: that is he sees Russia and Japan fighting a territorial 45 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: dispute that's actually getting very intense and could devolve into 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: a world war. He reaches out to the leaders of 47 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: Russia and Japan. He sends them telegrams and letters and says, 48 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: I would like to host a peace negotiation. In so 49 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: he brings the leaders and their delegations to Portsmouth, New Hampshire, 50 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: and he sets up this entire logistics of peace negotiations 51 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: and sets up going back and forth to the delegations, 52 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: and he shuttles back and forth, and he eventually steers 53 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: them to a peace treaty and that gets him the 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize, and that after that America is put 55 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: on the map on the world stage. 56 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Why who does that sound like trying to get the 57 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize? I guess his politics were different, but 58 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: the personalities are similar, aren't they. 59 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: With three percent? You know, I wrote this well before 60 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: all of that started with the second Trump administration. So 61 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not clairvoyance. Each one of these books 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: has a moment where I think it's really evident that 63 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: history is cyclical and it comes back around. And this 64 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: is a perfect thing that ties to that. There are 65 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: similarities between Teddy Roosevelt and Donald Trump. They're not one 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: to one. There's definitely different ideology and different thoughts. But 67 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt was called the human cyclone. I can tell 68 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: you that after ripping up a rundown in my news 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: show six times during a day, there's a little human cyclone. 70 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: To President Trump, he was again larger than life. He 71 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: used the press, He used the press and brought them 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: into everything he was doing. But he also went after 73 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: the press. He called them muckrakers, and he really kind 74 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: of said, you're writing the wrong things. I mean, if 75 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like President Trump, I don't know what 76 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: it does. But I also think that there's a part 77 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: of it that you can't put him in a box. 78 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: You know, he was a conservative, he was a Republican. 79 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: He believed in capitalism, but he believed in capitalism for everybody, 80 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: and he really fought for the little guy and the worker, 81 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: especially the laborer and it didn't go to type of 82 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: a Republican who was, you know, part of an elitist 83 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: family to begin with. 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the name of the book, especially the 85 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: part the birth of a Superpower. And one of my 86 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: favorite stories about Teddy Roosevelt is the Great White Fleet. 87 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: Now let you tell it, but man, what an amazing 88 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: story that sounds Trump like by the way. 89 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: It does doing something out of the ordinary, out of 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: the box, to show America's strength. Basically, President Roosevelt says, 91 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: this is after the Peace Treaty, after America's kind of 92 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: on the world stage. Japan is starting to make rumblings again, 93 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: and President Roosevelt says, we need to do something to 94 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: show America's prominence. And so he takes the US Navy 95 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: Naval fleet, all the ships that are battleship gray, and 96 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: he paints them gleaming white, and he makes the Great 97 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: White Fleet, and he sends an armada of sixteen ships 98 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: around the world to sail around the world to show 99 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: America might. And Congress says, what are you doing. We 100 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: are not paying for this, and he says, we'll figure 101 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: that out later, and he sends them anyway. Eventually Congress 102 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: gets on board but they do sail around the world 103 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: and it is the message of peace through strength, like 104 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: look at this power. They come back ten days before 105 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: the end of President Roosevelt's term and it turns out 106 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: to be a success. The message was sent. 107 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: I always heard that he said, I'll send them out. 108 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: I have the money to send them out. Congress can 109 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: come up with the money to get them back. Is 110 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: that a fable? 111 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: That's true? Yeah, he sent them out and there was 112 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: no funding to have keep them out, and Congress eventually 113 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: came around and paid for it. 114 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: You know, I have the Man in the Arena up 115 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: on the wall in my office at home. I always 116 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: assumed he was talking about the media, and then which 117 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: would be more Trump like that he had this love 118 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: hate relationship with them. 119 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that speech, it's called the Same Citizenship in 120 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: the Republic, but it becomes known as the Man in 121 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: the Arena and it's a classic. You know, it's about 122 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: the spirit of engagement. And you know, there's a lot 123 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: of people that look at it and see, say, what 124 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: is he talking about? You know, at the time he's 125 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: left the presidency and he's delivering this speech, and believe 126 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: it or not, I think he's talking about himself, because 127 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: soon thereafter he decides to get back in the arena 128 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: and run for president himself. 129 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Brett Baer, chief political anchor for the Fox News Channel 130 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: and the anchor and executive editor of Special Report with 131 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: Brett Bher also, most importantly, author of To Rescue the 132 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: American Spirit, Teddy Roosevelt, and The Rise of the Superpower. 133 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, it was an honor. 134 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. 135 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: When we come back, is streaming your top source of entertainment? 136 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: If so, you are not alone. Syracuse professor and pop 137 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: culture expert Robert Thompson talks about the new media landscape. 138 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: Next back now to the WR Saturday Morning Show with 139 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: Larry Minty. 140 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: Welcome back. Streaming has changed the way we consume TV 141 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: and movies. So are those changes good or bad? Let's 142 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: ask Robert Thompson, Professor of TV and Popular culture at 143 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: Syracuse University. Good morning to you, Sarah, Thanks for being. 144 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 4: With Good morning. 145 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, Streaming really has had a profound effect on our culture, 146 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: hasn't it. 147 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 4: It has? And you know it hasn't been that long. 148 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: I mean Netflix didn't start doing its original programs House 149 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: of Cards and Oranges and New Black and Lilla Hammer 150 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 4: until twenty thirteen. That wasn't that long ago. YouTube launches 151 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: in April of two thousand and five, so it's not 152 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 4: that recently, but it is of course completely and totally 153 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: changed the way we do. What when I was a 154 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 4: kid was what we thought was the primary activity of 155 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 4: humankind was to watch TV whenever possible. 156 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: Now when you look at like the TV ratings, everything 157 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: is down. The top one hundred shows are all either 158 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: sporting events or live events like the Oscars and the Emmys. 159 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: You know, you get down under fifty when you see 160 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: top shows. Used to be these shows like Mash were 161 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: at the top of that list. And then movie theaters 162 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: are suffering Hollywood's change the way they've made movies. It 163 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: has changed us across the media landscape, has it not? 164 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: It has? And we blame COVID for the crisis in 165 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: movie theater attendance, and it's certainly COVID certainly accelerated things, 166 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 4: but it was streaming that it really started that whole process. 167 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: You know, you talk about the ratings, it is it's 168 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: fascinating to look at those ratings. You're right, everything is 169 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: down in the ratings. You know, TV series ratings are 170 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 4: down from when there used to be award shows are 171 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: down everything but the Super Bowl that's actually gone up 172 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 4: since twenty years ago and thirty years ago. But what 173 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 4: it constitutes a hit now, you know, when when we 174 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 4: were back in the network era, when I was a kid, 175 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: and by the way, let's not get too nostalgic. When 176 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: I was a kid, the shows I had to watch 177 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: were about flying nuns and talking horses. So not like 178 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 4: everything was perfect back then. 179 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: I love the flying nun in the talking horse. I 180 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: love mister Ed you know. 181 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they did what they did really well, but 182 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 4: they were there was limits to what TV could do, 183 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 4: but those shows were getting The Beverly Hillbillies would get 184 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: thirty thirty five million people a week watching it. There 185 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 4: was a great show in nineteen sixty four called East 186 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 4: Side West Side star George Scott, who would go on 187 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 4: to win an oscar for Patton and Cecily Tyson, the 188 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 4: first black actor in a starring role in a drama. 189 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: Great show, wonderful innovations in it. It got canceled after 190 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 4: a single sea because it only had twenty two million viewers. 191 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 4: That was not enough to keep it on the air. 192 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: Twenty two million viewers. Now, if it wasn't Super Bowl, 193 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: Sunday would make you the most watched show, streaming, broadcast, cable, 194 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: anything of the entire week. So what we used to 195 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 4: think of TV is the thing that we were all 196 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: watching at the same time. That's not the case anymore. 197 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: I can't find in my class of one hundred people 198 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: there are only two or three things that every single 199 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 4: one of them have seen, and they're all old. There 200 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 4: are episodes of Friends, episodes of the Office, and the 201 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 4: original Lion King. Those are the only three that everybody 202 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: has seen. When I was a kid, everybody saw The 203 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 4: Brady Bunch. Whether you liked it or not, you couldn't 204 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: help it. 205 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: It was so limited. But look look at now. You're 206 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: absolutely right. I hear about a new streaming series every 207 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: single day that I'm not going to have time to watch. 208 00:11:59,080 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: You know. 209 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. Netflix has probably introduced three new streaming series since 210 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 4: we started this conversation. That's a little bit of an exaggeration, 211 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 4: but not much, and it is. Let's face it, there 212 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: is a lot more good television out there today than 213 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 4: there ever was when we were kids. I mean, we 214 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 4: had there were some fine shows and we did I 215 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: dream a Genie and Bewitch. They were fun for what 216 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 4: they did. They're still fun to watch. But you know, 217 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 4: since the turn of the century, with the Sopranos and 218 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: the Wire on cable and then streaming, with all of 219 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: the stuff that's come out, we've got more people, more voices, 220 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 4: better shows, But we've also got a lot more worse. 221 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 4: We've just got a lot more of everything. And since 222 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 4: we've got all these choices, nobody is sharing any of 223 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 4: it together. I mean, we used to watch what we 224 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 4: watched because there weren't any other choices. 225 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: That's so true, because you know what, everyone in my 226 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: household has different you know, tastes and media. 227 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: And now we don't have to watch TV together. 228 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 5: Because that's right, we have all choices. 229 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: Thing, Well, it isn't a way because I don't really 230 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: usually want to watch what my husband wants to watch, honestly, 231 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: and my son is up in his room, you know, 232 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: with his phone, watching what he wants to watch. My 233 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: daughter's on YouTube watching what she wants to watch. So 234 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: streaming is tearing apart families, is what you're saying. 235 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: Well, you're right, though it's both good and bad. The 236 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 4: good part is you're right, You're you're getting what we 237 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 4: used to depend on what three old executives from ABC, 238 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 4: NBC and CBS told us we were going to watch, 239 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 4: and it was very, very limited. Uh, and only a 240 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 4: few kinds of people could get had had a voice 241 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 4: and could get their own shows. Now, so many different 242 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 4: kinds of shows, so many different people who didn't have access. 243 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: That's that's all a good thing. The bad thing, I 244 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 4: guess is that because we don't have any shared culture anymore, 245 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 4: the tendency to completely fragment has been exacerbated. There's nothing 246 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 4: that brings us back together. Walter Cronkite actually had the 247 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 4: nerve with no sense of irony to end his shows 248 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 4: with and that's the way it is his news program, 249 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 4: and that kind of was what brought everybody into some 250 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 4: kind of center, as artificial as it might be. That's 251 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 4: gone away, and without that incredible power, I'm not sure 252 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: the American experiment will ultimately survive the fact that we 253 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 4: don't share anything, even though it's glorious that we have 254 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 4: all those choices. 255 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: It's funny you made me think of something because I've 256 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: been bemoaning the fact that there's no no ideas out 257 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: of Hollywood that all the movies are just remakes of 258 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: old movies, but they don't always have the money they 259 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: used to have because the money is going to streaming. 260 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I agree, because of the whole business model 261 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 4: of Hollywood, you really need to do these big box 262 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: office marvel types of things. All the excitement artistically is 263 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 4: in the test of streaming. I agree, and I think 264 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: some of the most exciting storytelling is going on in streaming, 265 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 4: not only more exciting than in the movies, more exciting 266 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 4: than in the novel and other fancy ways of telling 267 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: stories that we used to have. 268 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: So let's talk about this some more later. Robert Thompson, 269 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: Professor of TV and Popular Culture at Syracuse University. Love 270 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: to have you on. Robert. Thanks a lot, Professor. I 271 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 272 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 4: Thank you. That was fun. 273 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: He is the conservative Lion on CNN and now he 274 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: has a new book out about Donald Trump called The 275 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: Revolution of Common Sense. How Donald Trump stormed Washington and 276 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: fought for Western civilization. We'll talk with Scott, a pizza 277 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: place in Brooklyn, unique in all of the country because 278 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: of the way they make their pizza. Scott Weener from 279 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: Scott's Pizza Tours has a review still to come on 280 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: Saturday morning. Here's Larry Minte with more of the WOOR 281 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: Saturday Morning Show. Welcome back to Jennings is the conservative 282 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 2: king of CNN who disposes of their liberal commentators one 283 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: by one, and now he's got a new book out 284 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: about Donald Trump called Donald Trump and the Revolution of 285 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: Common Sense. Scott, it's great to talk to you again. 286 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. 287 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 6: Hey, I really appreciate this conversation. 288 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 5: Thank you. 289 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: Hey, Listen, something's happened in New York that is a 290 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: big deal. You know, Zorin Mamdanni is the mayor elect. 291 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: I've heard you talk about him before. Everybody was hoping 292 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: that Jessica Tish was going to stay on as police commissioner, 293 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: even though they disagree with each other on just about 294 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 2: every law enforcement policy. We got the great news she 295 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: is staying on. Does that give you some comfort? 296 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, it doesn't a short term, but I still think 297 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 6: what you said is true. They disagree fundamentally on law enforcement. 298 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 6: I mean, you heard Mamdani repeatedly over the years make 299 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 6: disparaging remarks about law enforcement and his views on criminal 300 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 6: justice in general. He wants fewer police on the street, 301 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 6: but he wants to empty the prisons, and I just 302 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 6: think that's fundamentally at odds with what most people would 303 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 6: think is a right way to run a criminal justice system. 304 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 5: He's also saying this week. 305 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 6: He'll have the NYPD arrest Prime Minister net and Yahoo 306 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 6: of Israel if he comes to New York City. So 307 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 6: I wonder what will happen when some of these operational things, 308 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 6: you know, after he takes over, happen. 309 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 5: And I hope Tisch. 310 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 6: Stays, but I get a feeling she's going to be 311 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 6: given orders that she simply can't follow. 312 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if she's going to be giving orders 313 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: they gave said they had several meetings, and the fact 314 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 2: that she look she doesn't need him, he needs her, 315 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 2: And so I got a feeling, at least, let me 316 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: let me enjoy this for a minute, Scott, Let me 317 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: just feel like at least the police department's going to 318 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: be in good hands. 319 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 5: I hope you're right, and I pray that you're right. 320 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 6: But I also think this guy's got a ton of 321 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 6: supporters who aren't interested in the kind of police force 322 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 6: that you're interested in, and he's going to be under 323 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 6: a huge amount of political pressure from his base to 324 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 6: do what they thought he said he was going to do. 325 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 6: I hope you're right, and maybe he'll surprise this. And 326 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 6: certainly politicians have surprised me in the past. I don't 327 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 6: think he's going to be one of them, but maybe 328 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 6: he'll be right in hope springs eternal. 329 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what, if she's forced to do 330 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: anything she doesn't want to do, she's gonna leave. I mean, 331 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: she's from a billionaire family, she doesn't she doesn't need 332 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: this job, and I believe she's going to run for 333 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: mayor somewhere down the line. 334 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 6: Look, I'm fearful for New York City. I'm fearful the Jewish, 335 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 6: fearful for the Jewish population. 336 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 5: In New York City. 337 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 6: But again I'm gonna I'm gonna choose to hope for 338 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 6: the best, but plan for the worst. I spent a 339 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 6: lot of time here now. I'm from Kentucky, but I'm 340 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 6: in New York all the time. So these things matter 341 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 6: to me more now than they ever have. 342 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: Well, congratulations to you on the new book, A revolution 343 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: of common sense. I think I can figure out what 344 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: you're getting at, But why don't you just explain in. 345 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 5: Case, Well, here's what the deal is. 346 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 6: I heard the President use that phrase in his inaugural address, 347 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 6: and I thought to myself, boy, that'd be a great 348 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 6: title for a book, and it is the perfect way 349 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 6: to explain how he has branded the Republican Party and 350 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 6: the conservative movement since he's I'm on the scene, and 351 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 6: I went with the President in fact, to Michigan on 352 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 6: his hundredth day in office, and he said something like 353 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 6: to the in his speech. You know, whether you're on 354 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 6: the right, whether you're on the left, or whatever you are, 355 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 6: it's just common sense. 356 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 5: That's how he thinks of himself. 357 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 6: You know, he is a conservative, and he operates mostly 358 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 6: as a conservative, but more than that, he just thinks 359 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 6: of himself as someone who's trying to act on common 360 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 6: sense and trying to get to outcomes. And so that's 361 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 6: why I wrote the book, because I think understanding how 362 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 6: he thinks of himself and how he leads is key 363 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 6: to understating how our government currently operates. So it's really 364 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 6: more of an informational or an educational book. If you 365 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 6: want to learn about how Donald Trump leads the government, 366 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 6: this book has the access and the information for you. 367 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you too. I think that he 368 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 2: like many Americans, and especially some young men who were 369 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: left out of every conversation when it came to politics 370 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: or the last administration. They looked at him and what 371 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: he was talking about and just said that made sense. 372 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: That's why he one, he won all the swing states 373 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: and he won the popular vote because of that, and 374 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: he's carrying through with it. 375 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 376 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 6: Absolutely, Look, let's take a few of the issues that 377 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 6: you know, I called him eighty twenty issues. Maybe they're 378 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 6: ninety ten or ninety five to five, like boys and 379 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 6: girls sports, boys and girls' locker rooms. You know, the 380 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 6: Democrats were dedicated to the idea that we just had 381 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 6: to accept that. That's one of a bunch of issues 382 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 6: where people thought, well, that's not common sense, that's nonsense, 383 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: and Trump instinctively knew it, and he comes along and 384 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 6: he latches onto it and says, I'm just I'm just 385 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 6: going to do the common sense thing here. That brought 386 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 6: into his coalition a bunch of people who did not 387 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 6: think of themselves as Republicans, but they were tired of 388 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 6: being told they had to accept things that they instinctively 389 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 6: knew were nonsense. And so Trump got it. That's part 390 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 6: of his political talent. To sort of seize upon those issues, 391 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 6: and it really really helped deliver him the presidency the 392 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 6: second time. 393 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of them. The borders the other one. 394 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 2: What did he do? He closed that in a weekend 395 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: after we're told that couldn't be closed, or at least 396 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: what we were told it was safe, and then we 397 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: were told it was too hard to close. 398 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 6: We have had effectively zero border crossings in this country 399 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 6: for the last five months. I mean, think about that. 400 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 6: We had hundreds of thousands of people coming in. Now 401 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 6: we have zero. Do you have many laws we've passed 402 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 6: since Donald Trump took office on immigration. 403 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 5: Zero, We have not passed a single new law. 404 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 6: We do have a president who's willing to enforce existing 405 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 6: law and tell law enforcement to execute the laws that 406 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 6: are on the books. That's the only difference. It was 407 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 6: an attitude change, and it was a change in are 408 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 6: we going to follow the law or are we not? 409 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 6: He's following the law. I don't think it's controversial frankly 410 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 6: to follow the law. But the impact has been felt immediately. 411 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 6: Zero border crossings. We're also getting rid of some of 412 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 6: these people here on visas that came here to hate 413 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 6: America and foement anger against America and the West. I 414 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 6: think it's been his best accomplishment is getting the immigration 415 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 6: system under control. Now we have a lot of internal 416 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 6: enforcement left to do, but closing the border alone has 417 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 6: been one of his biggest achievements. 418 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I love you the name of your book 419 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 2: about common sense because when he stakes a ground in 420 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: issues that we just talked about, on issues like we 421 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: just talked about that makes so much sense. It forces 422 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 2: the Democrats on the other side of those issues, and 423 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: they take de bait every single time. Scott. 424 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 6: One of the dumbest things they do is reflexively oppose 425 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 6: Donald Trump no matter what he does. They never stop 426 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 6: to say, wait a minute, would this put us in 427 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 6: a bad position if we oppose this. They do it 428 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 6: every single time. Immigration's a great example. He says, well, 429 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 6: let's close the border, let's not have people coming in, 430 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 6: and let's get criminal, illegal, violent people out of our country. 431 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 5: And what do they do. 432 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 6: They send their senators to El Salvador to try to 433 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 6: retrieve a guy who's at MS thirteen and bring him 434 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 6: back to Maryland. The Democrats cannot help themselves. They oppose 435 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 6: him reflexively. It is their ideology. We believe in nothing 436 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 6: except opposing Donald Trump at all costs. I think it 437 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 6: hurts their party and hurts their brand. 438 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: Well, Scott, thanks for spending time with us. We got 439 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: a taste of what the book is all about, of 440 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: Common Sense by Scott Jennings. That is worth the read, 441 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: and we'll look for you on CNN. Thanks a lot, Scott, 442 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: thanks a lot. 443 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 6: It's in bookstores today. Get your copy now, you won't 444 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 6: regret it. 445 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: Up next, is it the oven that makes the pizza great? Sometimes? 446 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: Because pizza expert Scott Wiener loves a Brooklyn pizza made 447 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: in a very special oven. Scott's up next here. 448 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: Again is Larry Minty with the Wor Saturday Morning Show. 449 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: Buried behind drywall for decades. A Brooklyn pizza Rhea unearthed 450 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: a coal oven from eighteen ninety. They're using it now. 451 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: So is it worth the trip? Scott Weener from Scott's 452 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: Pizza Tours is here to answer that question. First of all, 453 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: all before we get to it, Scott, and thanks for 454 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: joining us. I understand you're in Montreal right now? Why? Yeah, 455 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: I'm in Montreal. 456 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 3: I'm judging a pizza competition called Pizza Fest, a two 457 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: day competition that ended yesterday, and I've probably eaten a 458 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 3: thousand slices of pizza over the past two days. 459 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: I don't Canada is not known for great pizza, is it? 460 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 4: Well? 461 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: You know what, A lot of places haven't been known 462 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: for great pizza, but suddenly are over the past five 463 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 3: to ten years because everybody's watching YouTube videos about how 464 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: to make pizza and everybody's finally getting it. So I 465 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 3: gotta tell you, Montreal is a serious pizza destination now 466 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 3: that I've spent some time here. 467 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: Oh really, so you have a discerning taste? Is there 468 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: some there that's maybe even better than what you could 469 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: get in New York. It's hard to say better just 470 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: because oh come on, no, no, don't quality. 471 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 7: What I mean, well, you gotta qual But listen, I'll 472 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 7: put it this way. There's a place I went to 473 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 7: the other day called Kujenies. Their Grandma Pizza would fit 474 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 7: in exactly with places in New York. There's a place 475 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 7: called Forno Pizza Frankie that is like a temple. 476 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: Paying homage to. 477 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: The famous pizzerias of New York, where the guy is 478 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 3: basically like mimicking all these pizzerias in New York City. 479 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: And doing a great job. 480 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: So that was great. 481 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: And then I had two New York style pizzas in 482 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 3: the competition from a place called Non Solo Pane, and 483 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: they were I mean, they would be in the top 484 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 3: tier in New York City. So even though there's not 485 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: a ton of it here, there are places that really 486 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: stick out, which means there is hope and there is 487 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 3: sunlight for Canada. 488 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: That's a very nice way to put it. Before we 489 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: get to Lucky Charlie's, let me ask you a question 490 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: about pizza and how you rank pizza. What makes a 491 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 2: great pizza in your estimation? 492 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 3: Well, for me, you know, I don't love putting number 493 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 3: rankings on pizzerias, but I do section them off into tiers. 494 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 3: And if it's a top tier pizzeria, then it's got 495 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 3: to be number one. They're paying attention to dough. If 496 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 3: they're not paying attention to dough, it can't be on 497 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: that top tier. And I mean it has to be 498 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 3: a Wevell fermented dough that has flavor on its own, 499 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: doesn't just rely on topics. So that's number one. Number two, 500 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 3: it has to be balanced, So whatever you're doing on 501 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: top of that dough, it just has to be done mindfully, 502 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: and with those two things combined, I think it's not 503 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: that difficult to make a great pizza. Although if you 504 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: want to make a great pizza seven days a week, 505 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty five days a year, you got 506 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 3: to be focused. 507 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: And that's the third piece. 508 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: It's about focus, balance and Gough fermentation. 509 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: And with that we want to talk about Lucky Charlie's, 510 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: because there is a pizza that significantly different because of 511 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: the oven, and especially an oven that back dates back 512 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 2: to eighteen ninety. 513 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 5: Well, there's a. 514 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: Couple of things. 515 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: Number One, the age of the oven does not dictate 516 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: its greatness of the product the coming out of it, 517 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: because if you've got a bad pizza maker on a 518 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: grade oven, you're gonna get bad pizza. The pizza is 519 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: only as good as the pizza maker. But that oven 520 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: is truly classic historic. I think the first time I 521 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: ever saw it was maybe twelve or thirteen years ago, 522 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 3: when the guy Charlie Verdie, who's the guy who owns 523 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 3: the building, called me up and told me he had 524 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: this oven underneath the sidewalk. And now to see it 525 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 3: in the hands of a friend of mine, Nino Kan 526 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: who's the owner of Lucky Charlie. He is. If you 527 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: don't know his name, you need to know it. He's 528 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 3: one of the true pizza geniuses. He's won tons of 529 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 3: awards over the past twenty years, and he's nuts and 530 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: those two things combined. You know, that's like the perfect 531 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: New York story. He's the guy work in the oven. 532 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: So if you go in there and eat a pizza, 533 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 3: it's only three pizzas on the menu. There's nobody more focused, 534 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: and there's nobody who cares more about balance than that guy. 535 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 536 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 2: I know that you don't like to put a number 537 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 2: of value on pizzas, but often you rank pizzas. Where 538 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: does the pizza at Lucky Charlie's rank. 539 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 3: Lucky Charlie's a top tier easily, And it's because it's 540 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 3: a well made crest. The oven, you know, as I said, 541 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: the oven does not make the pizza. But the fact 542 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 3: that it's baking in a large it's a bread oven. 543 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 3: It's not meant for pizza. That place used to be 544 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 3: the Jamus scene of bread bakery in the early nineteen hundreds. 545 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: It's a dry oven because it's earning anthracite coal, and 546 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 3: anthracite gives you that dry exterior, crisp with that even 547 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 3: char you know, it's like the flavor when you're eating 548 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 3: good barbecue, and so that place, to me, it's top tier. 549 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: But it's also it's a relic, it's a unicorn. I mean, 550 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 3: besides the pizza, it just has to be a special place. 551 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: And you know, unfortunately the oven is below the sidewalk. 552 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 3: You can't see it, but being in the space, you 553 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 3: do get the feeling of it. And if you stand 554 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 3: on the sidewalk out front, you could literally feel it 555 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 3: under your feet. 556 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: Are all the pizzas cooked in that oven there? 557 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: Every single pizza and a lot of their dishes? 558 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 4: Are? 559 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: You know? I stood there one day, maybe I don't know, 560 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: four weeks after he opened. I stood there in the 561 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: corner and watched them bake, they dive seafood dishes out 562 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: of that oven, and they were doing. 563 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: These pizzas, only three pizzas out of that oven. 564 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: And it's wild to watch because a restaurant and a 565 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 3: bakery are not set up in the same way. So 566 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 3: the space downstairs is bakery set up huge room. The 567 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: oven has to be twelve feet deep, which means that 568 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: the peel, you know, the shovel that you use to 569 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 3: manipulate the pizzas has to be fourteen feet deep. So 570 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: you've got this large, super long peel that you've got 571 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: to navigate around this room. 572 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: It's it's wild. I wish people could see it down there. 573 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: They got to stick a camera down there. Yeah, so 574 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: if you're a pizza aficionado, you're saying you should take 575 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: a visit the Lucky Charlie's. 576 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, take a visit and go there early, like you know, 577 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 3: I don't know what time they open, four or five o'clock. 578 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: Get there on the early side. See if you can 579 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: catch Nino. Ask him a question, challenge him, tell him 580 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: I don't think you really have it of it, and 581 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: then he'll say, yeah, you got to trick him, but 582 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 3: then he'll show it to you. 583 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: That's tremendous advice. And I'm just assuming that's a great 584 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: impersonation because I've never heard him talk. 585 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: Listen for anybody out there listening who has ever met 586 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 3: this man, you know my impersonation ishred spot On. 587 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 2: Oh, thanks so much for your time. Scott Wieders Scott's 588 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: Pizza tours. Right now, he's enjoying the fine pizza in Canada. Apparently. 589 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: Is the fine pizza in Canada really just New York pizza? 590 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: It's not, you know, it's they get different tastes up here. 591 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: I'll be honest. 592 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 3: There's a lot of classic, like local Montreal pizza that's 593 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: just heavy and a lot of topping. But then they've 594 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 3: got some thinner crust stuff that it does seem like 595 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: it's New York based. But it's hard to tell, man, 596 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: because really most of this evolution has been in the 597 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 3: past few years. 598 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: Scott Wiener from Scott's Pizza Tours that wraps up Saturday 599 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: Morning for this week. Thanks for listening, and thanks to 600 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: Natalie Vaka and Peter Airolano for putting the show together 601 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 2: every week. Have a great rest of your weekend. This 602 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 2: has been a podcast from wor