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Speaker 1: Five o five in fact KRC the talk station. Happy Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Tuesday listener Lunch Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have any idea what's going on either,

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Speaker 1: but we're gonna get through it anyway. Welcome to a

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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of the fifty five KRC Morning Show and

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Speaker 1: a very happy Wednesday. It is today, Works, Pizza company,

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Speaker 1: and love, and that's what we're going to be for listener lunch.

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Speaker 1: If you can make it, I'd love to see you.

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Speaker 1: I know it's gonna be rainy today, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: stop you from going inside and enjoying some really good

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Speaker 1: food at Works. I've been there a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: times over the years. Of course, it's sort of kind

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Speaker 1: If you can make it to the works, I hope

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Speaker 1: you can. And if you want to call in this morning,

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Speaker 1: there's a million things to talk about, of course. I

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Speaker 1: Before you get to I'm gonna start with local stories

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Speaker 1: with this bond issue. Have to have purvols finally, at

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Speaker 1: least playing lip service to the realization that while low

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Speaker 1: bonds and woke justice can prevent a properga can can

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Speaker 1: can be a bit problematic, especially when you let people

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Speaker 1: a lot of people even though they're not entitled to

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Speaker 1: have a firearm under the law. Yeah, that's going on,

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Speaker 1: and thank you Signal ninety nine for a brilliant analysis,

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Speaker 1: a very long but brilliant analysis of the reality is

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Speaker 1: going on here in Hamilton County. We'll get to that

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh, but first the big picture with

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Speaker 1: Jack Abed and coming up at seven oh five Iran

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Speaker 1: and History. Good timing on that Jack. I always appreciate

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Speaker 1: Jack coming on the show. He's brilliant and his commentary

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Speaker 1: is just absolutely stellar. And if you can't listen, to

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Speaker 1: remember fifty five Casey dot com where you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and of course the IHEARTMEDIAPP so you can stream the audio,

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Speaker 1: which is really important, and I thank you each and

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Speaker 1: and I'm humbled, I truly am. Daniel Davis Deep Dive

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Speaker 1: yesterday on the around situation he's certainly not as optimistic

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Speaker 1: about this thing going well, primarily given that the stockpiles

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Speaker 1: of the Iranian weapons that made lots and lots of them,

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Speaker 1: many of them he believes, have not been hit yet.

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Speaker 1: But there is an opportunity for us to find out

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Speaker 1: where those stockpiles are and hopefully blow them up in

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Speaker 1: advance of the vote on the War Powers resolution, which

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Speaker 1: coming on Thursday. Really complicated that and I believe it

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Speaker 1: is a virtue signaling exercise, given the way the Warpowers

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Speaker 1: Act is written, and I read it into it and

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Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump can veto it supposed to be

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Speaker 1: a squeaker if it passes, limiting or telling Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: the forces need to be removed. That is a politically

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Speaker 1: a so far and in spite of the tragedy, and

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Speaker 1: of course no one wants to have the service members lost,

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Speaker 1: but that is a sad consequence of war. And what

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Speaker 1: a heavy burden it is to be the person responsible

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Speaker 1: for sending people to their deaths. But if you are

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Speaker 1: having if you're making inroads against the well the evil,

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Speaker 1: murderous regime that is iron that has been a thorn

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Speaker 1: in our side for four plus decades. Voting against or

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Speaker 1: voting for removing the troops might be a bit problematic

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Speaker 1: for folks trying to get re elected anyhow. That is

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Speaker 1: at Daniel Davis's commentary on where we were yesterday. That's

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Speaker 1: there inside Scoop with Bright bart News Oliver Lane, who's

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Speaker 1: stationed in London, he's the London bureau chief on what

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Speaker 1: the hell is the problem with the UK? We the

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Speaker 1: people conventions. Tom Zawastauskow on property taxes and where we

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Speaker 1: polling and at least in so far as complete eradication

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Speaker 1: is worth listening right there fifty five care CE dot com. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: this this shooting. But yesterday Purvall said, allowing the accused

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Speaker 1: gunman remember the Riverfront live mass shooting that nine people

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Speaker 1: got shot because two idiots had a long standing dispute

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Speaker 1: obviously tongue in cheek. I'm not even a fan of

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Speaker 1: the death penalty anyway. You probably know this Freney cob

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Speaker 1: of course multiple gunshots were unleashed during this melee, single

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Speaker 1: charge of flowious assault. Cob remains in jail. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to the fifty thousand dollars bond. Fifty thousand dollars bond

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Speaker 1: Lives mass shooting. Now, even if there was no criminal

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Speaker 1: record preceding the shooting, is fifty thousand dollars bond appropriate

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Speaker 1: for an individual who was so unhinged that he would

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Speaker 1: hamil Couty Municipal Court before Judge Bernard Monday yesterday, his

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Speaker 1: lawyer arguing that her client acted in self defense. Prosecutors

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Speaker 1: asked for high bond, not no bond. Another interesting question

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Speaker 1: ask for no bond? That question not answered. So Judge

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Speaker 1: But isn't that single felonious assault charge firing into a

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Speaker 1: bit higher? Purvol have to have your mayor remember him.

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Speaker 1: I know this isn't a ribbon cutting ceremony, but he

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Speaker 1: arrested in connection with two Saturday mornings mass casualty shooting.

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Speaker 1: The decision to allow for the release of this accused

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Speaker 1: This is a community safety issue. The accused, after such

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Speaker 1: mayor have to have per vault. Wow, Hey, Joe, he's

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Speaker 1: tough on crime. He's a high bond guy. Now that

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Speaker 1: See a pretty decent guy. Joe Dieters used to call

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Speaker 1: out judges regularly. Former prosecutor for the low bonds they said,

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Speaker 1: the answer to the question. As Warpbin reports, Since a

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Speaker 1: police Parma's Thiji also raised concerns about bond decisions and

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Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Is that why the law

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Speaker 1: firm has been retained because that's not a fireable offense

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Speaker 1: to the best of my knowledge. And yeah, you Jubb

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Speaker 1: also never been previously reported. And of course, as Warman

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Speaker 1: points out, we all know this. Judges are allowed to

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Speaker 1: consider a number of factors when setting bonds. You're standing

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Speaker 1: there and you have a list of things you should

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Speaker 1: take into consideration, one of which is public safety, and

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Speaker 1: of course giving the woke elements of the criminal justice system,

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Speaker 1: the affordability, whether the defendant can afford to pay any bond.

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Speaker 1: I think the bond is designed to secure the person

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Speaker 1: And of course the seriousness of the seriousness of the

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think that's objectively so most of

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Speaker 1: Mayor a f tab purval pretty damn low. So the

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Speaker 1: Inquirer called the Cincinnat Police Department said wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: why this single kind of flowious assault? Apparently the department

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Speaker 1: spokesperson Anthony Mitchell said the investigation still open, evidence still

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Speaker 1: being assessed. Charges could be added as they come to light,

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Speaker 1: Assistant Prosecutor Connor Wood did not do that, just requesting

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Speaker 1: signal ninety nine and among This is a very wonderful

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Speaker 1: of all of this looke reality going on. Elections have consequences.

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Speaker 1: primary to close? Quote Is that a real quote from

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Speaker 1: the room that day? She writes, The only only one

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Speaker 1: judge stood up and told them directly. Quote then primary

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Speaker 1: to run my courtroom. Forreny Cobb, the one that's now

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Speaker 1: under a federal indictment, because the Feds know they better

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Speaker 1: oh cond of lax and soft on CRIMEANQE. Cobb records

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Speaker 1: should have been previously facing charge of trafficking in cocaine,

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Speaker 1: possession of heroin and fentanyl. Cobb later faced having weapons

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Speaker 1: while under disability charges under a judge cross along with

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Speaker 1: carrying a concealed weapon. And of course that's important because

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Speaker 1: having weapons under disability means that defend it is legally

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Speaker 1: prohibited from possessing of firearms. Why did he have one

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Speaker 1: a long points to the problem we have with firearms,

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Speaker 1: carry one. Hey, I think we need more laws on

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Speaker 1: the books. That's going to solve the problem. Just scratching

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Speaker 1: the surface of this one, but again recognizing the Feds

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Speaker 1: are involved. Now, this is not going anywhere. These guys

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Speaker 1: are facing some serious issues. Federal authorities moved immediately once

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Speaker 1: the suspects were identified. Federal detainers mean something important points

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Speaker 1: signal out signal ninety nine. Neither suspect is going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Federal government anticipated exactly what might happen inside the Hamilton

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Speaker 1: a gun charge, a federal gun charge. Possessing a firearm

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Speaker 1: while under disability. Keep your popcorn out five eighteen fifty

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Speaker 4: Wednesday, Happy Wednesday. Having called divorce, I'm a little nervous

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Speaker 1: Oh that's okay.

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Speaker 4: But going along on the same I think kind of

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Speaker 1: In this case, Snap, you know, the formerly food stamps Snap.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Well, something that's come to my attention in the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, good morning, and great job, Becky, and welcome, welcome

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Speaker 1: You never need to feel nervous calling in the program.

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Speaker 6: Right? Right? And I think you explain explaining that well,

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Speaker 1: their opening statements what Boosey said to his family before

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Speaker 1: mother outlined how he was known to play computer games

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Speaker 1: all day long while the Wi Fi routter reenters were

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Speaker 1: Sixty years of emotion, anger and resentment exploded into seconds

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Speaker 1: of unthinkable violence. Court to deputy defender Denny's line as

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Speaker 1: good luck defending somebody like this, right, get a job.

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Speaker 1: Maybeerio is the biggest douche of the universe. In all

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Speaker 1: the galaxies, there's no bigger douche than you. You've reached

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Speaker 1: the top, the pinnacle of douche them good going due,

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Speaker 1: your dreams have come true. It's five fifty one and

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Speaker 1: a very happy Wednesday to you listener. Lunch the Works,

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Speaker 1: Pizza Company Public. It's not a stupid more craziness involving gunplay.

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Speaker 1: We go to Connecticut where we have a woman behind bars.

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Speaker 1: She shot and killed a man while he was watching

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Speaker 1: a Pixar film with a child. Specifically, Michelle Yeager's sixty

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Speaker 1: five accused of one kind of each, a murder, carrying

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Speaker 1: a firearm while under the influence, risk of injury to

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Speaker 1: a child, and reckless endangerment of the first degree. That's

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Speaker 1: accord to the Connecticut State Police. I'll wait for it, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Underlying incident occurred Monday a small town located about fifty

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Speaker 1: miles east of Hartford, Connecticut. That's the site. Early on

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Speaker 1: the night in question, Andrew Michael Olson, thirty nine, was

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Speaker 1: the residence nine thirty. Roughly, troopers found the victims suffering

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Speaker 1: from a lone gunshot wounded the chest. Court of the prosecutors.

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Speaker 1: The child at home said that two had been watching

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Speaker 1: the film together when Yager entered the entertainment room and

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Speaker 1: opened fire. Olsen rushed in thereby hospital, where he later

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Speaker 1: succumbed to his injuries. Meanwhile, troopers found Yager in bed

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Speaker 1: and asked her about the location of the gun used

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Speaker 1: to shoot Olson. Defendant allegedly appeared to be highly intoxicated

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Speaker 1: and said she wasn't sure where the gun had been placed.

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Speaker 1: During an initial interview. After being detained, Yager allegedly tried

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Speaker 1: to justify the shooting quote. He tried to kill me,

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Speaker 1: the defendant told police in night in question, I shot him.

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Speaker 1: He came after me. I shot him. Woman allegedly went

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Speaker 1: on to say that she was in the bedroom and

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Speaker 1: Olsen came after her, describing some difficulty unlocking her gun

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Speaker 1: safe before firing. The weapon. Allegedly told investigators that Olsen

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Speaker 1: and the child came over earlier that night and that's

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Speaker 1: when she went to bed. Obviously, that didn't align with

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Speaker 1: what the twelve year old said, and that's when the

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Speaker 1: defendant's story changed. Jeger subsequently handcuffed taken out of the

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Speaker 1: residence on a stretcher. Defendant was interviewed again the next morning.

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Speaker 1: She allegedly told investigators she was upset from dealing with

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Speaker 1: various issues throughout the day and started drinkinger. Later, Yeager

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Speaker 1: state of distress. Obviously distressed over the gunshot wounded the

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Speaker 1: chest anyway. Next, the defendant allegedly said she saw an

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Speaker 1: injured person lying on the ground. That's it. Curly being

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Speaker 1: held in the Connecticut State Apartment of Correction on a

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Speaker 1: the bond hearing. Okay, we got to California? Where were

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Speaker 1: law enforcement looking for a six or sixty I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: California man now wanted by law enforcement after a sixty

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Speaker 1: two year old woman was attacked with a skateboard, pepper

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Speaker 1: sprain an unknown liquid. Paul Allen Thomas twenty four to

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Speaker 1: one by the LA Police Department over the attacks. Second

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Speaker 1: suspects already been arrested. A third, yet to be identified

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Speaker 1: local convenience store owner been doing business there for forty years,

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Speaker 1: said this is the sixth attack. They tried to kill

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Speaker 1: me this week. Police identified Thomas as one of the

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Speaker 1: men responsible anyway, he got surveillance footage of the attack

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Speaker 1: man seen hiding outside the victims store holding a skateboard.

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Speaker 1: Man seen rushing inside used the skateboard to brutally beat

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Speaker 1: Dla Penna. The man dragged the woman outside, where he

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Speaker 1: continued beating her. While I'm like complice looks on. She said,

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Speaker 1: they pushed me inside. I received more than fifty punches.

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Speaker 1: After that, I started screaming, and when nobody was coming,

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Speaker 1: I said okay and asked God why. Victim kicked to

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Speaker 1: the ground, left with a split lip and had thirty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars cash stolen. Question mark swirling around that. Sam

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Speaker 1: Perro was arrested thirty years old for allegedly taking part

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Speaker 1: of one of the prior attacks. Apparently she's been through

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Speaker 1: this before. In those earlier incidents, she was pepper sprayed,

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Speaker 1: doused with liquid, and nearly shocked with a taser like device.

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Speaker 1: During one such incident, attacker tried to shoot her twice

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Speaker 1: but was saved with when a gun misfired. Accorded the

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Speaker 1: LAPD press release. The same suspects returned to the location

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Speaker 1: multiple times, with additional suspects committed hate crimes against the victim.

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Speaker 1: During one incident, the suspect used the skateboard to strike

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Speaker 1: the victim, Suspect prepper sprayed the victim, and the final incident,

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Speaker 1: the suspect through an unknown liquid on the victim while

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Speaker 1: another suspect attempted to stun her with a taser. Sums

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Speaker 1: it all up. Multiple attacks on this one woman she

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Speaker 1: believes her identity as a transgender woman that will be

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Speaker 1: a man claiming to be a woman was the motivation

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Speaker 1: the aristocrats. I guess what the hell, it's a dangerous

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Speaker 1: world out there. Not time for a live spot, but

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Speaker 1: seems to me a twenty two to three spot will

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Speaker 1: be well placed right here. But we're not. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: take a break right now, come back after the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour news. Maybe we'll dive on into the

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Speaker 1: War Powers Act. That's a crazy one, and this exercise

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Speaker 1: may be a signaling exercise because I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna result in anything. Regardless of which side you are

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Speaker 1: on the War Powers Act and the upcoming vote on it,

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it's gonna go anywhere. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk with judge Ennena Pultano about that coming up later

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Speaker 1: in the program at eight thirty. I hope you can

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Speaker 1: stick around.

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Speaker 2: Today's top headlines coming up at the top of the

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Speaker 2: hours changes every minute, fifty five krs each.

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Speaker 1: And six or sixty five kar Ce the Talk Station,

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Speaker 1: A very happy Wednesday to you, Brian Thomas. I am

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Speaker 1: here hosted to take about Karsey Morning Show, Jos Treker,

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Speaker 1: executive producer, Worry Belongs, which I appreciate, No Joe, no shows,

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Speaker 1: way I look at it, and of course a reminder

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Speaker 1: I'll be giving them all morning. We're gonna be at

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Speaker 1: the Works Pizza Company in Loveland today for listener lunch.

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Speaker 1: Coming up in an hour, stick around Jack Adam with

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Speaker 1: a big picture Iran in history Adam Miller. He'll be

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Speaker 1: joining the program Concerned Veterans for Ohio in for Donovan O'Neil.

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Speaker 1: Adam Miller will be and we'll talk about the military

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Speaker 1: actions in Iran with Adam Steve Belzo claarmat County Veterans

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Speaker 1: Association Love Heavin Stevens Studio talking about all the great

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Speaker 1: things the Claremont County Veterans Association is doing for my

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Speaker 1: veteran friends. Out there, Steve at seven forty, followed by

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Speaker 1: Ken Cober FOP President got the police responded to the

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Speaker 1: night club shooting and Mayor Aftab Purval and City Manager

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Long's response. Mayor Aftab Pervall now expressing some dissent

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Speaker 1: and concern and well revulsion over the idea that this

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Speaker 1: guy just got a fifty thousand dollars bond. Yes, one

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Speaker 1: of the guys that was involved in shooting into a

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Speaker 1: crowd of five to six hundred people was released on

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Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bound in spite of the fact

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Speaker 1: that yes, he was carrying a weapons under disability under

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Speaker 1: disability meaning he's being already involved in the criminal justice

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Speaker 1: system and he's had his Second Amendment right removed. Guess

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Speaker 1: he wasn't paying attention to the laws on the book,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Long. No, we don't need more laws on the books.

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Speaker 1: We need people who pay attention to the law and

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Speaker 1: recognize we live in a very violent society, which is

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Speaker 1: why I like the Second Amendment, the great equalizer. But

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Speaker 1: if I went out and committed a violent felony, it

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Speaker 1: was otherwise I had my weapons removed because I was

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Speaker 1: well convicted of that felony. I wouldn't carry one because

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Speaker 1: I'd be going to jail, big boy jail. The federal

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Speaker 1: government might get involved. Oh look, the federal government is

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Speaker 1: involved in this one, recognizing that the Hamilton County justice

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Speaker 1: system is so woke that guy probably would be released

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Speaker 1: with a slap on the wrist after being convicted. Go

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Speaker 1: to Signal ninety nine page on Facebook and read the

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Speaker 1: three page single space analysis that she wrote on this.

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Speaker 1: It's brilliant. I talked about a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: in the last hour. Let's see here after ken Kober

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Speaker 1: talking about that at eight oh five of Courts Judge

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Speaker 1: Jennen of Poulitano and I guess some of my listening

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Speaker 1: audience will not be happy about him. He is certainly

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Speaker 1: a constitutional purist. This leads us to a discussion about

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Speaker 1: the War Powers Act, which was enacted in the wake

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Speaker 1: of Vietnam and step back for a moment. How long

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Speaker 1: were we in Vietnam?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: Our involvement in Vietnam preceded John F. Kennedy. Advisors were there,

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Speaker 1: and then advisors became troops, and troops became a military presence.

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Speaker 1: We started getting into the war, and then was it

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Speaker 1: the Gulf of Tonkin came around. Some people say that

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Speaker 1: it expanded and expanded and expanded, and someone said, we

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Speaker 1: need to do something about this. Enter the War Powers Act.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're kind of dealing with right now.

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Speaker 1: Looking for where my notes were on that one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: here you go. War Powers Resolution first adopted in seventy

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Speaker 1: establishes presidential reporting requirements and parliamentary procedures intended to reaffirm

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Speaker 1: the constitutional role of Congress in committing the US into

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Speaker 1: armed conflicts. So the president sends people in, he's got

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Speaker 1: to notify Congress within forty eight hours. That's the clock

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Speaker 1: begins to tick the minute the troops go in. Sixty

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Speaker 1: days after he first reports to Congress, or at least

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Speaker 1: was required to do. The use of armed forces is

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Speaker 1: automatically terminated unless Congress has either declared war or passed

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Speaker 1: legislation authorizing the action. That would be an authorization for

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Speaker 1: use of military forces. And this is where I think

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Speaker 1: Orwell kicks in. So they're either removed the Congress declares

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Speaker 1: war or they authorized the use of military forces. Is

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Speaker 1: that a war that's less than a war? I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're engaging in shooting and bombing and otherwise killing

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Speaker 1: your enemy across the border, isn't that just definitionally war? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well not under the law I suppose anyway. But pivoting

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Speaker 1: over what's going to go on this week now, some

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Speaker 1: are well asserting and they're not just Democrat lawmakers bringing

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Speaker 1: a war powers resolution. I think it's up for vote

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Senator Kane may be mistaken. There is no

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Speaker 1: war with Iran. The United States has not declared a

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Speaker 1: that I kind of scratched my head over because again,

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Speaker 1: when you are engaged in a very profound military conflict

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Speaker 1: with someone else, I think you've crossed the definitional threshold anyway.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at the formality that the law requires,

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Speaker 1: the last formal declaration of war. Of course, in World

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Speaker 1: War Two, every military conflict then Korea, Vietnam, Gulf of War, Iraq,

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan conducted under an authorization of use of military force,

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Speaker 1: not formal declaration of war. So we have not declared

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Speaker 1: war on Iran. Iran has not declared war on us,

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Speaker 1: so some suggest therefore it can't be an illegal war.

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Speaker 1: Some suggest international law has been violated. Yeah, some suggest

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Speaker 1: the UN treaty that we're in has been violated, and

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Speaker 1: more on that. So you've got this whole semantical argument

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Speaker 1: that now this isn't really a war because there's been

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Speaker 1: no declaration of war. It's just a well kind of

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Speaker 1: a something less than a war. Little astis next to

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Speaker 1: the word war, all right. Moving over, the next arguments

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Speaker 1: Democrat making is that Trump did not obtain congressional approval,

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Speaker 1: yet under the War Powers Resolution, he doesn't need congressional approval.

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Speaker 1: He can send him on in and then begins the

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Speaker 1: clock ticking on that sixty days I mentioned him over

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Speaker 1: a moment Ago requires a president to notify Congress within

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Speaker 1: forty eight hours of committing forces, meaning it's already the

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Speaker 1: forces are already bombing, which is what we saw over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. Military action then has to cease within sixty

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Speaker 1: days unless we again get that authorization for use of

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Speaker 1: military force or a declation of war, or it ceases

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Speaker 1: to exist and troops must be withdrawn because the clock

648
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Speaker 1: ran out. Who came up with sixty days? Another fun

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Speaker 1: question to contemplate. So we've already got a forty eight

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Speaker 1: hour notification requirement. The clock is ticking. February twenty eighth

651
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Speaker 1: was the beginning, so he's got till April twenty ninth

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Speaker 1: until the troops must be withdrawal, although there is an

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Speaker 1: extension period. Of course, there is a thirty day withdraw

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Speaker 1: period if the troops are in jeopardy, so you can

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Speaker 1: make sure certain that we're a least going to get

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Speaker 1: additional thirty days. So there's ninety total days. Warpowers resolution

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Speaker 1: introduced the president. Here's the fun fact. So they do

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Speaker 1: this on Thursday. Let's say there is a majority of

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Speaker 1: folks that are in favor of curbing or otherwise withdrawing

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Speaker 1: troops from the act actions they're involved with. The president

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Speaker 1: can veto it. Well, Nixon tried to veto the whole

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Speaker 1: War Powers Act in the first place. They overrode that.

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Speaker 1: Anybody think that they could override a presidential veto given

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Speaker 1: the margins in Congress right now, No, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen. And a lot of presidents have

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Speaker 1: been arguing and going all the way back to Truman

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Speaker 1: about congressional war powers restraints, typically arguing that the commander

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Speaker 1: in chief authority gives the president an inherent power to

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Speaker 1: use military force. Of course, when you enter nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: three with the passage of the War Powers Act, yes,

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Speaker 1: he may have been able to commit troops to out

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Speaker 1: there in the world in spite of this goes on

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Speaker 1: to the long history of presidents doing something outside of

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Speaker 1: congressional authorization Korea, Vietnam, kause of Olibya, Syria. Hey, Barack

675
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Speaker 1: Obama did this too. And if you remember when Barack

676
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Speaker 1: Obama killed Milmarketafi and started blowing things up in Syria

677
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Speaker 1: for regime change, they all applauded it. This is awesome.

678
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Speaker 1: Gaddafi wasn't even on our radar at the time. Congress

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Speaker 1: has repeatedly failed to enforce its own War Powers resolution

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Speaker 1: because members are reluctant to be seen as against troops

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Speaker 1: once operations begin. And isn't that the important part? Are

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Speaker 1: they going to try to unring even democrats? Unring? The

683
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Speaker 1: bell of military activity going on right now widely viewed

684
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Speaker 1: by many as very successful, given that we are destroying

685
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Speaker 1: the Iranian's ability to launch missiles into the world, generally speaking,

686
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Speaker 1: hopefully in their funding of terrorist organizations who they got

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Speaker 1: to do all of their dirty work. You see, Iran

688
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Speaker 1: wasn't directly fingerprint on the trigger responsible no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: they hired people to do it Hamas among others. So

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Speaker 1: the executive branch has argued that provisions of the Warpowers

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Speaker 1: resolutions are themselves unconstitutional, and I would argue that as well.

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Speaker 1: There is sufficient Supreme Court case law saying that you

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Speaker 1: can't delegate delegate your responsibilities under the Constitution to a

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Speaker 1: different branch of government. Congress has the power to declare war,

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Speaker 1: and if you look at the War Powers Resolution, it

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Speaker 1: kind of really does delegate that power to the President,

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Speaker 1: at least on a subset level, which I think if

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Speaker 1: it ever was in front of the Supreme Court, that's

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Speaker 1: the way the Supreme Court would come down. The Warpowers

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Speaker 1: Resolution to halt military action passes with a simple majority,

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Speaker 1: which Trump can veto it, so you'll need two thirds

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Speaker 1: majority to override the veto, and again that's not going

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Speaker 1: to happen. That's why I think this is symbolic, not

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Speaker 1: that I don't mind having the argument, because it puts

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Speaker 1: people on record. I like knowing what where are our

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Speaker 1: men and women in Congress are at least in so

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Speaker 1: far as the record is concerned. That's pointed out other

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Speaker 1: arguments critics raised that under an originalist reading of the Constitution,

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Speaker 1: here we go with Judge Napolitana's point, Congressional approval is

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Speaker 1: required for use of force abroad period and the story

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Speaker 1: the Warpowers Resolution or Warpowers Act is not constitutional. But

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Speaker 1: then again that would be a strict constructionist viewpoint. We've

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Speaker 1: seen liberal chords with liberal interpretations. I can randomly pull

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Speaker 1: Roe v. Way out as an example. That's legislation from

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Speaker 1: the bench. They actually basically wrote a law and legislation

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Speaker 1: into the bench, complete with you know, first trimester, second trimester,

717
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Speaker 1: third trimester. This is not the purview of the Court

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Speaker 1: to do that. You let Congress do it. Or, as

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Speaker 1: most recently they pointed out, under a strict constructionist viewpoint,

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Speaker 1: whether or not abortion is lawful or there are terms

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Speaker 1: and conditions or restrictions on it is a state responsibility.

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Speaker 1: The Constitution is silent on it. Let's see your tenth Amendment.

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Speaker 1: That's what it should have been all along, and then

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Speaker 1: you got precedent. Every US military action since nineteen forty

725
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Speaker 1: two has occurred without a formal declaration of war. They

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Speaker 1: do it over and over again. I just went through

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Speaker 1: multiple conflicts where they either Congress sat on its hand

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Speaker 1: and ignored it, tacically agreed with it outright came out

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Speaker 1: and said great job, president, or maybe a little critical.

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Speaker 1: But did they bring it up for a vote. Nope.

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Speaker 1: That's what Massey's doing. And Rocanna, and of course Congressman

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Speaker 1: Warren Davidson, he said it on the show a week

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Speaker 1: or so, a week ago, and it was just yesterday

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Speaker 1: or Monday, said the Trumpetan administration hasn't effectively explained the

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Speaker 1: US military objective in Iran. He was talking with a

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Speaker 1: CNN who asked is whether the Trump administration has done

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Speaker 1: a good enough job in offering explanation for strikes on Iran.

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Speaker 1: Davidson said, no, I don't. I asked for a classified

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Speaker 1: briefing last week before the war began to explain what

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Speaker 1: the mission is, to find the mission in Iran, and

741
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Speaker 1: we're seeing it today with multiple definitions basically under the

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Speaker 1: War Powers Resolution. He said, having a discrete objective is

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Speaker 1: what you want, why you want to do with this

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Speaker 1: with full congressional authorization, so you have a debate when

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Speaker 1: that has been done, he said, I think back to

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Speaker 1: the start of the war Interaq, which I Congress Warren

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Speaker 1: Davidson opposed personally, but the country decided to throw to

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Speaker 1: go and there was a vote Congress authorized it with

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Speaker 1: an authorization for use of military force. But he points out,

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Speaker 1: obviously it was supposed to be a limited war with

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Speaker 1: limited objectives to get the weapons of mass destruction that

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Speaker 1: went on for a protracted period of time, I'll interject.

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Speaker 1: He then noted that it shifted to a regime change war,

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Speaker 1: which was beyond the scope of the authorization for use

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Speaker 1: of military force, which was widely viewed liberally to allow

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Speaker 1: a regime change after we went in and I guess

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Speaker 1: appeasing the listeners who said there were weapons of mass

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Speaker 1: destruction there after we found them or at least took

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Speaker 1: them away from the leader. So Congressman Davidson's still on

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Speaker 1: record that he looks like a no vote on this one.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, when you realize that Donald Trump can veto

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that comes out there if there isn't

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Speaker 1: an overwhelming majority in favor of it, you view this

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Speaker 1: exercises pointless or important because we get them on record

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Speaker 1: either way you go. Ultimately, it looks like nothing's going

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Speaker 1: to happen, which to me suggests if the clock gets

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Speaker 1: to sixty days, then the troops will have to automatically

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Speaker 1: be withdrawn. Interesting thing to ponder six nineteen right now,

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Speaker 1: if you have care, see the talk station. Oh, let's

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Speaker 1: see right now sinks the talk station.

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Speaker 8: Six.

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Speaker 1: Got time for a phone call. We're gonna go to cribbage, Mike,

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Speaker 1: my submarine to front. I'm going to see today at

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Speaker 1: the Works Pizza Company in Loveland for our cribbage game

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Speaker 1: and listener lunch. Mike, absolutely, sir.

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Speaker 8: You know I said it many times. You know, our

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Speaker 8: are the fellowship there and our card game are one

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Speaker 8: of the key factors. However, to get out to these

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Speaker 8: local establishments that listener lunch provides. I've never been to

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Speaker 8: this facility, but I'm definitely looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you'll enjoy it. I've been there quite a few times.

782
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Speaker 1: It's a really comfortable place. They have a wide menu.

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Speaker 1: It's known for its pizza. But you trust me, you

784
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Speaker 1: don't have to eat pizza. If you go the Works

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Speaker 1: Pizza Companies.

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Speaker 8: There, they go wrong. Yeah, obviously, our men and women

787
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Speaker 8: around the world literally in support of this effort, are

788
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Speaker 8: in our thoughts and our prayers, because I think it

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Speaker 8: goes without saying. Even during peacetime military service could be

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Speaker 8: classified as hazardous, and when you're in a wartime footing,

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Speaker 8: it just ramps up exponentially. Speaking from my own experience,

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Speaker 8: sixteen twenty hour days of tension are pretty much the

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Speaker 8: norm at what those men and women are going through

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Speaker 8: over there, and with the president and now talking about

795
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Speaker 8: because you have one of Mother Nature's ultimate choke points,

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Speaker 8: the straits of her moves in order to get that

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Speaker 8: oil flowing again, I can only imagine what our sailors

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Speaker 8: aboard surface ships and to my intel, I know there's

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Speaker 8: five submarines at least over there that has been pretty

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Speaker 8: much put out to make sure that safe passage of

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Speaker 8: oil happens. And so keep our troops in your forefront.

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Speaker 8: And another way to thank the people well who came

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Speaker 8: before us, if I so, may I appreciate you having

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Speaker 8: Cheryl pop on last week. But this Sunday we have

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Speaker 8: a flightless honor flight. You've been on an honor flight,

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Speaker 8: you know how physically taxing that can be. And so

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Speaker 8: this Sunday at the Anderson Town Center on five Mile.

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Speaker 8: We will be honoring veterans who cannot do that, one

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Speaker 8: of our four flights that we do every year. So

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Speaker 8: if you want to get there about three thirty or so,

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Speaker 8: about four o'clock, we will be having a welcome home

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Speaker 8: honoring these veterans. For the most part, they're going to

813
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Speaker 8: get about an hour and a half of a video

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Speaker 8: windshield tour songs, patriotic songs, you know, just our way

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Speaker 8: of saying thanks the fact that you can't get on

816
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Speaker 8: that plane and ride around DC and actually see it,

817
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Speaker 8: We're going to bring them to you. But the whole

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Speaker 8: purpose of Sunday afternoon, if you can make it, is

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Speaker 8: to once again during that parade, reach out and shake

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Speaker 8: every one of those veterans' hands, because during Korea, during Vietna,

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Speaker 8: they did made my service possible. They did what our

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Speaker 8: current troops are doing right now in the Gulf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can only imagine, you know, most notably

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Speaker 1: being on a surface ship in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: war like this, the stress. I mean, any moment in time,

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Speaker 1: some you know, random drone or missile could just blow

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Speaker 1: up the side of the boat. I mean, Lord Almighty

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Speaker 1: Mikey put An explanation point on that one. God bless

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Speaker 1: you and thank you profoundly. If you're a service to

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Speaker 1: our country. I will see you at the Works Pizza

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Speaker 1: Company for our cribbage game and our fellowship and I

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Speaker 1: look forward to that as I always do. And I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you from the bottom of my heart

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Speaker 1: for your ongoing service to Honor Flight. Tri State. Get

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Speaker 1: involved and show up at the Flightless Honor Flight. We'll

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Speaker 1: have a welcome home ceremony like they do with CVEG.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the reminder, Mike. God bless you, sir six

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Speaker 1: eight ED. If you want to hang on out of way,

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Speaker 1: out of time in this segment, you will be first

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Speaker 1: before we get the local stories. I'm the talk station's

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Speaker 1: thirty three ififty about care and ce detok station. I'll

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Speaker 1: go straight to the phone because the promise, ED, I'd

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Speaker 1: take this call right out of the gate, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for holding over the break there. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: morning show, hiber and.

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Speaker 9: I have a question regarding a particular aspect of the

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Speaker 9: constitutionality issue at hand here with.

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Speaker 6: Respect to Iran.

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Speaker 9: I'll do my best, so all right, I'm warning if

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Speaker 9: this has been adjudicated, so of course the Constitution says

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Speaker 9: that only Congress can declare war, but as far as

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Speaker 9: I understand, that does not say that the president cannot

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Speaker 9: engage in military action outside of a declared war. And

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Speaker 9: maybe the argument would be, well, it doesn't need to

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Speaker 9: prohibit that, because by the Constitution's structure, the government can

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Speaker 9: only do what it allows. It doesn't need to prohibit things.

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Speaker 6: Do you know what, has this been adjudicated?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it has, but I guess because the

859
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Speaker 1: War Powers Act got enacted because of course, presidents can

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Speaker 1: you know, use military force to protect the United States

861
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Speaker 1: from eminent threats, for example, And that's kind of the

862
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Speaker 1: argument that's been made. Iran represent its I'm sort of

863
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Speaker 1: eminent threat, leaving a lot of people to question, well,

864
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Speaker 1: wait a second, Well then what does eminent mean? Because

865
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Speaker 1: they can't shoot us with anything that they've got. They're

866
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Speaker 1: not on our doorstep, they're not coming over the hill.

867
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Speaker 1: So there's that little component right there. But yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: commander in chief of the American military. If there's a

869
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Speaker 1: threat to the United States of America, he can engage

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Speaker 1: the troops. Since nineteen seventy three, he can engage the

871
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Speaker 1: troops for sixty days absent a declaration of war or

872
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Speaker 1: a authorization for use of military force for ongoing conflict

873
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Speaker 1: along some defined limited scope. Is that constitutional? I don't

874
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Speaker 1: even know if, because that's ever been tested in courd

875
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Speaker 1: to here the War Powers Act. But we're now at

876
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Speaker 1: least in a structured time frame here which requires the

877
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Speaker 1: president to get an authorization for use, requires Congress to

878
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Speaker 1: declare war, or requires the withdrawal of troops after sixty days. TikTok, TikTok.

879
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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure. Did I answer your question ed?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess what you're saying is that this hasn't

881
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Speaker 9: been adjudicated with us in the courts, or if you're

882
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Speaker 9: saying that even the War Powers Act itself has never

883
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Speaker 9: been taken to the courts, that is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is my understanding, And I can run that

885
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: past judgment of Polatanam. But he's already he and I

886
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: have already talked about the War Powers Resolution Warpowers Act

887
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: before and he and others, and I know Congress from

888
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Speaker 1: MASSI feels the same way. You can't delegate that power.

889
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: The declaration of war cannot be delegated, but effectively is

890
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Speaker 1: with this War Powers Resolution Act because it allows the

891
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Speaker 1: President to engage in conflict and then waits around for

892
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: Congress to finally respond to it. But again that clock

893
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Speaker 1: is ticking. And I laughed about that because I guess

894
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Speaker 1: Speaker Johnson is saying, you know, and I understand his

895
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Speaker 1: point on all this, that this is this is frightening.

896
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Speaker 1: He said, I think the idea that we would move

897
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Speaker 1: a War Powers Act vote right now, which again Thursday,

898
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Speaker 1: I mean, it would force the floor, it would be

899
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Speaker 1: forced to the floor. But the idea that we would

900
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Speaker 1: take the ability of our commander in chief, the President,

901
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: take authority away right now to finish this job is

902
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: a frightening prospect to me. Okay, I get that. But

903
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Speaker 1: under the War Powers Act, the clock is ticking sixty

904
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Speaker 1: days Congress, and there's this weird timetable. If you want

905
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Speaker 1: to read something that will drive you crazy, go to

906
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Speaker 1: the federal government's website on the War Powers Resolution Warpowers Act.

907
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Speaker 1: I could read it to you, it would just it

908
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Speaker 1: would you would be so your eyes did blur over

909
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: on the timeframe of what they need to do. Authorizing

910
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Speaker 1: bill or joint resolution must be introduced within the first

911
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Speaker 1: calendar days of the sixty day period. It goes on.

912
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Speaker 1: Then you got to have it through committees, a Committee

913
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Speaker 1: on Foreign Affairs. Once legislation has been referred, each committee

914
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: must report them measure at least twenty four calendar days

915
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Speaker 1: prior to the expedition of the sixty day window. It

916
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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on and on with all

917
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Speaker 1: these different fourteen day periods. Sixty day it's just huh,

918
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Speaker 1: just one little sub element of it. But in the

919
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Speaker 1: final analysis, I keep going back to the fact that

920
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Speaker 1: Trump can veto anything that comes out of this discussion,

921
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: but that doesn't stop the sixty day clock. So what

922
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: does that mean? The resolution doesn't pass because there aren't

923
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Speaker 1: fifty plus votes, that stops the process. Okay, we tried,

924
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Speaker 1: but the clock still ticks. Out of the War Powers Act.

925
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Speaker 1: We're going to maybe get into that with Napolitano as well.

926
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Speaker 1: I'm interested in focusing on that more than really anything

927
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Speaker 1: right now, because it's quite confusing, not confusing. Sixty fifty

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Speaker 1: five KRC detoxation Eppy Wednesday, Well, thank you. Retired Colonel

929
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Speaker 1: Bob to Tire a good friend of mine. He teaches,

930
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, active shooter defense classes for businesses and churches.

931
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Speaker 1: He teaches emerging wound care. So if you're in the

932
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Speaker 1: middle of one of these things, you can save lives

933
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Speaker 1: by learning how to deal with people with significant wounds.

934
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Speaker 1: He's been in combat, he's been in war up to

935
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Speaker 1: his eyeballs, shot a couple of times by AK forty seven,

936
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Speaker 1: blown up by an ied, highly decorated man. Bob, if

937
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Speaker 1: you're out there, God bless you for your service to

938
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Speaker 1: our country. But I'm on this this text group with

939
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: him and other military folks and folks in the know.

940
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Speaker 1: And I read this article that someone linked me, and

941
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Speaker 1: it frightened me to death. And it frightened me to

942
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Speaker 1: death even more because I wake up and I read

943
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Speaker 1: about the people having or the noted notables in government

944
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Speaker 1: talking about fears of Iranian back terror cells operating in

945
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Speaker 1: the United States and that they might start popping up again.

946
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Speaker 1: And keep your eyes open, said they. First of all,

947
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Speaker 1: wake up call for the homeland came hours after Operation

948
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Speaker 1: Epic Free began. When that crazy so and so originally

949
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Speaker 1: from Senegal. You know that guy the property of a

950
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Speaker 1: La Hoodie opened fire to bar in Texas. Immediately, the

951
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Speaker 1: FEDS were saying this could be a terrorist action, it

952
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Speaker 1: could be in response for launching a war against the

953
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Speaker 1: Iranians possible retaliation. Interviewed, Vice president of the Davis Institute

954
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Speaker 1: for National Security and Foreign Policy at the Heritage Foundation,

955
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Speaker 1: Victoria Coats said, you know, it's impossible to know who

956
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: crossed the border during the four years of the four

957
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Speaker 1: years of Biden administration, but we do know that there

958
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Speaker 1: were a number of folks on the terror watch list,

959
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: some that we encountered. Look, let's cross reference them. US

960
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: custom and Border Protection and counted nearly four hundred illegal

961
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Speaker 1: immigrants with terrorism related records between ports of entry during

962
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Speaker 1: Biden administration part of their data. Although they all look

963
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Speaker 1: over there the two million known godaways, no vetting, no

964
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Speaker 1: interview with them, no determination whether they represent some security

965
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Speaker 1: risk in the United States of America. They're running around

966
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Speaker 1: inside our country. Some think because of that, and because

967
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Speaker 1: of our concerns over terrorism, that's one of the reasons

968
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: for the immigrations and customs to crack down. It's got

969
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: really nothing to do with kicking Grandma out of the

970
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Speaker 1: country who's been here for twenty years. Has got everything

971
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Speaker 1: to do with one of the two million people that

972
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden let into our country. Who are they and

973
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: might they be one interested in doing something bad to us.

974
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: This is where we pivot back to Bob. To Bob's

975
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Speaker 1: well linked to the article on this, National Counterism Center

976
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: director Joe Kent warned, we were flooded with eighteen thousand

977
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Speaker 1: known and suspected terrorists. That's the figure that came up

978
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Speaker 1: in the article, an independent article from the facts and

979
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: figures I'm getting from the reporting over at Zero Edge.

980
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: But all this is kind of I can just just

981
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Speaker 1: assume the eighteen thousand. It could be more, it could

982
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: be less. But in this frightening analysis, if you consider

983
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Speaker 1: eighteen thousand sleeper cell folks that are just waiting around

984
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: to get to get the green light to do something

985
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: here by way of nefarious or dangerous or destructive activity.

986
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Speaker 1: Eighteen thousand divided by five why five a five man

987
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Speaker 1: team that may be something that may have some significance

988
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: from my military friends out there. You divide thirty six

989
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen thousand of outed by five man team,

990
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: you get thirty six hundred. Divide that by fifty states.

991
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: That means there would be seventy two five men terrorist

992
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: teams in every single state. And that's when this military

993
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: guy started breaking down all of the havoc that those

994
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: five men teams, seventy to of them in each state.

995
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: Think about that. How many major cities do we have

996
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. You could assigned multiple five

997
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: man teams. They could attack power stations, they could launch

998
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: chemical weapons, they could start firing into indiscriminately, into concerts

999
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: and other gatherings. They could effectively, and he went through

1000
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: this detailed analysis, the ripple effect of all this effectively

1001
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: bringing our country to a standstill. That's the kind of

1002
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: existential threat you gotta worry about. That's why Joe Biden

1003
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: may have set us on a perilous course to having

1004
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: a massive conflict within our borders. Do I ever want

1005
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: that to happen? Hell no? Do I hope all all

1006
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: of these people are wrong? Hell? Yes? Do I hope

1007
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: that none of these people are involved in sleep or

1008
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: cell activity, none of them have terrorist connections? Is that

1009
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: a reasonable hope? I mean, seriously, is that hope against hope?

1010
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: Of course it is. There is no way possible that

1011
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: there aren't nefarious actors right now in our country that

1012
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: may be willing to do us harm on a moment's notice.

1013
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: And that's something we all need to keep aware of

1014
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: and concerned about, and keep our eyes peeled for suspicious activity.

1015
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Speaker 1: I guess six forty seven right now fifty five kr

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Speaker 1: CD talk station getting cuts with susantt Low's camper. Six

1017
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Speaker 1: fifty two Here at fifty five KRCD talk station after

1018
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Speaker 1: the top of the airn is of course the big

1019
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: picture with Jack add and his topic today Iran in history,

1020
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: we'll hear from Adam Miller, concerned veterans from Ohio sum

1021
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: it in for Donald and Neil about military actions in

1022
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: Iran as well Steve Belso. Thank god for Steve and

1023
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: the Claremont Kenny Veterans Association given us some information. At

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Speaker 1: seven forty we'll hear from Ken Cober FOP president on

1025
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: the nightclub shooting and yes, the FEDS have gotten involved

1026
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: with that. When a mayor of aftab perval has finally

1027
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: woken up to the reality that his low bond, soft

1028
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: on crime policies which he embraced and I think had

1029
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: implemented in Hamilton County not going real well shocked. I'm

1030
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: shocked to find out that this crazy gun toting guy

1031
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: that was willing to shoot into a club that had

1032
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: five to oh maybe even eight hundred people in it

1033
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: was under weapons with disability charge and the judge led

1034
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: him out on a fifty thousand dollars bond or assigned

1035
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bond. Anyway, troubled is our Cincinnati Mayor.

1036
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Speaker 1: I was made aware the bond has been issued for

1037
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Speaker 1: one of the two suspects of Russia in connection to

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00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: Sunday Mornings Mash casualty shooting. The decision to allow for

1039
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: the res of the release of the accused is problematic

1040
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: and extremely concerning, and I stand in opposition. This is

1041
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: a community safety issue. The accused, after such a horrific

1042
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: event involving so many victims, should be on the should

1043
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: not be on the streets during the court process. Welcome

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01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: to reality, Mayor, thanks to be on our side for

1045
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: a moment in time. The Feds got involved in this one,

1046
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: and thank you Signal ninety nine for breaking it all

1047
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: down for us. If you follow her on Facebook, you

1048
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: see her entire report on this three single space pages

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Speaker 1: worth of information related to the clowns involved in this shooting.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, the federal charge has been filed. I guess

1051
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: the federal government didn't think that the Hamilton County was

1052
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: going to manage things well because these guys, well the

1053
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: guy one guy still in the hospital, he'll be charged

1054
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: when he gets out. But they're facing charges at a

1055
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: state level. So your state charges single count at least

1056
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: for one of them, of felonious assault. But then enter

1057
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: the FEDS charge with federally. If charge federally with the

1058
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 1: illegal possession of a firearm or ammunition as a convicted felon,

1059
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: that is your disability charge here in the state. Convicted

1060
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: fellaws can't have firearms anymore. They lose their Second Amendment right,

1061
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: so they're charging him federally with that. And apparently the

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Speaker 1: men face up to fifteen years in prison on each charge.

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Speaker 1: Big boy prison. I suspect you get a conviction in

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01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: that one. No easy plead the ill Hamilton County prosecutors

1065
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: on that one either. Six fifty five Right now, we'll

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Speaker 1: hear from Ken Kober at eight oh five on that

1067
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Speaker 1: topic before we get to judge Editor Politano, don't go away.

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Speaker 1: A big picture with Jack Etheriden coming up next.

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Speaker 2: Today's top headlines coming up at the top of the

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Speaker 2: hour thing.

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Speaker 1: Seven oh six Sipity five kr CD talk station Brian

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Speaker 1: Thomas wishing everyone a very very happy Wednesday and inviting

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Speaker 1: every fder lunch works Pete's a company in downtown Loveland

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Speaker 1: and also happy at seven oh six on a Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: because it's time for the Big Picture with Jack Atherton,

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Speaker 1: brilliant as always informative, weaving history into modern events, and

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Speaker 1: that's what we're doing today. Welcome back, Jack Avidan is

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Speaker 1: always pleasure to having you on my program.

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Speaker 10: Hi friend, thanks as always, and regular listeners, don't worry.

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Speaker 10: I'm not going to repeat for the upteenth time. But

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Speaker 10: I believe were President Trump's justifications for striking Iran both

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Speaker 10: constitutional meeting Article two, go and read it, and historical.

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Speaker 10: Every Democrat since Truman has used so called unauthorized military force.

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Speaker 10: Who talked about this last that hour, and even statutory.

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Speaker 10: Trump has repeatedly notified Congressional leaders as required by the

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Speaker 10: War Powers Act, assuming it's constitutional. The President was authorized

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Speaker 10: to strike Iran last June, then Azuela last January, and

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Speaker 10: ira On again last Saturday. Senator Rand Paul and Congressman

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Speaker 10: Thomas Massey, who says Trump is using Iran to distract

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Speaker 10: from the Epstein files. That's Thomas Massey for you. They

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Speaker 10: and I'm sorry to say my Congressman Warren Davidson disagree

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Speaker 10: with me. Davidson says the President violated his own America

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Speaker 10: First policy. But let me point out that America First

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Speaker 10: has had different meanings. Before December seventh, nineteen forty one,

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Speaker 10: America Firsters opposed helping Great Britain, even with land lease,

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Speaker 10: so the Churchill would have some weapons in the fight

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Speaker 10: against Tedtler.

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Speaker 7: I call those.

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Speaker 10: America Firsters and their modern counterparts isolationists. Had the Japanese

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Speaker 10: not attacked US at Pearl Harbor and forced US into

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Speaker 10: World War II, we might now be speaking German, and

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Speaker 10: that's not a joke. By contrast, Donald Trump's eye idea

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Speaker 10: of America First is to protect America from open borders,

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Speaker 10: drug cartels, ruin his trade deals, democrats, socialism, and certainly

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Speaker 10: not least state sponsors of terror jihadist regimes that have

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Speaker 10: killed thousands of Americans and threatened to kill us all.

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Speaker 10: Death to America is not just a bumper sticker in Iran?

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Speaker 10: But Brian, can we move on to something else? We

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Speaker 10: always try to let history shine a light on what's

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Speaker 10: going on. So how about a few old time thoughts

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Speaker 10: about Iran. First Saturday's surprise, Israel and America wiped out

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Speaker 10: pretty much the entire Iranian theocracy, including the Supreme leader

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Speaker 10: Ayatola Haamani and his defense minister, the guy from the

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Speaker 10: Revolutionary Guards. Because last Saturday, in broad daylight, despite the

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Speaker 10: threat of war, mullah's and ministers gathered for a high

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Speaker 10: level breakfast meeting. Why on earth would they do that? Well,

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Speaker 10: my thought is thinking just to myself, maybe it was

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Speaker 10: an all you can eat breakfast. And yes, Trump was

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Speaker 10: publicly giving mixed signals about progress or lack thereof, in

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Speaker 10: nuclear negotiations, so the Malas may have figured there was

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Speaker 10: more time to play ropodope about enriching uranium again and

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Speaker 10: reconstituting their arsenal after last June's attack. But beyond that,

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Speaker 10: Iran's leaders also knew that historically, many Jews have refused

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Speaker 10: to fight on the Sabbath. In biblical times, they even

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Speaker 10: allowed themselves to be massacred. That's why, after he lost

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Speaker 10: one thousand men, Judah Maccabee of Hanika fame had to

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Speaker 10: relax the prohibition. But even today Jews debate whether it's

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Speaker 10: permitted to launch attacks on a Saturday. Now, consider what

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Speaker 10: Israel accomplished with that attack. To these strikes, Iran now

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Speaker 10: has fewer top leaders than Nazi Germany did before Hitler

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Speaker 10: committed suicide and the others went on trial at Nuremberg.

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Speaker 10: Still crucial as the surprise element was, including the undercover

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Speaker 10: intelligence gathered by Israel's Massad agents embedded in Iraq and

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Speaker 10: by our Cia, and of course our military is meticulously

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Speaker 10: planned and brilliantly executed attacks. So much for the Democrats

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Speaker 10: taunt of takeo meaning Trump always chickens out incredible as

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Speaker 10: all that was Brian, I think the real key to

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Speaker 10: success stems from the Abraham Accords, dating back to Trump's

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Speaker 10: first term. These peaceful economic agreements were named after the

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Speaker 10: Bibles Abraham, the common ancestor of Arabs and Jews. Before

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Speaker 10: the Abraham Accords, starting in the nineteen fifties and sixties,

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Speaker 10: with Egypt's Gamel abdul Nasser, who craved a pan Arabic state,

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Speaker 10: and more recently Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, who proclaimed a

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Speaker 10: new Islamic caliphate isis until Trump killed him. For more

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Speaker 10: than forty no, no, I'm sorry, people. For more than

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Speaker 10: seventy years, the Middle East has been rocked by leaders

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Speaker 10: who cemented their power by promising Israeli genocide. Previous American

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Speaker 10: presidents tried negotiating peace deals between Israel and Palestinians. Some

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Speaker 10: of them were suicidal for Israel, like Bill Clinton asking

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Speaker 10: Israel to give up the Golan Heights give them back

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Speaker 10: to Syria, which would have let Israel completely defenseless. Yet

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Speaker 10: even that deal was torpedoed by the Palestinians Yaser Araphat,

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Speaker 10: because Palestinians would not concede Israel's right to exist between

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Speaker 10: the river and the sea, as the kids of Columbia

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Speaker 10: would say, which is to say, anywhere in the Jews

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Speaker 10: historic homelands. So Trump and his son in law Jared

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Speaker 10: Kushner did an end run around the Palestinians and Iran.

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Speaker 10: The Abraham Accords hold out of future where Jews and

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Speaker 10: Muslims shared technology, trade and jointly make the Middle East

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Speaker 10: a true oasis. Trump hopes Gaza can become the next

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Speaker 10: French riviera. Everybody lasts at that, but he wants it

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Speaker 10: to be run by Palestinians. The President's enemies accuse him

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Speaker 10: of imperialism annexation, but Trump's twenty point piece proposal includes

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Speaker 10: and I'll read you number twelve quote. No one will

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Speaker 10: be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to

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Speaker 10: leave will be free to do so and free to return.

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Speaker 10: We will encourage people to stay and offer the opportunity

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Speaker 10: to build a better Gaza. And here's number nineteen Brian.

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Speaker 10: While Gaza redevelopment advances, and when the Palestinian Authority reform

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Speaker 10: program is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be

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Speaker 10: in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self determination

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Speaker 10: and statehood, which we recognize as the aspiration of the

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Speaker 10: Palestinian people. End quote. The fact that Iron's responded to

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Speaker 10: these strikes by attacking not just Israel but Arab countries

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Speaker 10: as well, will only draw them closer to Israel and

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Speaker 10: maybe more of them into the Abraham Accords. One last point,

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Speaker 10: my friend, which ties into America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 10: We're now hoping that a liberated Iran will become a

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Speaker 10: Western style democracy. But folks, that wasn't easy even for

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Speaker 10: Western democracies, unlike America, which had a long history of

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Speaker 10: colonial town halls and legislatures. When the French thirteen years

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Speaker 10: after US when they rose up against their king in

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Speaker 10: seventeen eighty nine, they had no tradition of self government,

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Speaker 10: so the new French Republic plunged into a reign of

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Speaker 10: terror and then a military dictatorship under Napoleon. Still, let's

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Speaker 10: close on a hopeful note. Last week, a diverse group

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Speaker 10: of Iranian exiles in London formed where they called the

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Speaker 10: Iranian Freedom Council. President Trump is still checking that out.

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Speaker 10: The Senator posed Shah Razapa Lavi has offered to lead

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Speaker 10: a government that would quickly hold free elections. With that work,

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Speaker 10: We once discussed the first elected leader of Russia, Brian.

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Speaker 10: After the Czar was toppled, a guy named Alexander Kerensky.

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Speaker 10: Lenin and his Bolsheviks quickly toppled Kerensky and turned Russia

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Speaker 10: into the communist, murderous USSR. Could this happen in Iran?

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Speaker 1: Who knows?

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Speaker 10: Heck, we may be losing America right now to socialists

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Speaker 10: and illegal migrants, but as long as Donald Trump has

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Speaker 10: something to say about it, Iran will not have nuclear

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Speaker 10: weapons or thousands of ballistic missiles, and maybe, just maybe,

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Speaker 10: Iran will one day join the Abraham Accords. Brian, we

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Speaker 10: mourn all lives lost on both sides, especially those of

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Speaker 10: our valiant American service members, and Congress including Rand Paul,

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Speaker 10: Thomas Massey, and Warren Davidson. Congress has every right to

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Speaker 10: stop funding this operation. That's their constitutional prerogative. The way

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Speaker 10: Congress right now is refusing to fund the Department of

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Speaker 10: Homeland Security, which is a disgrace. But I think America

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Speaker 10: will ultimately thank Donald Trump for protecting our border and

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Speaker 10: protecting the world.

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Speaker 1: What do you say now, Yeah, well, I have to

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Speaker 1: immediately gravitate to the whole Abraham Accord things. You know,

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Speaker 1: the people who laugh at Trump about thinking, gods, it

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Speaker 1: could be some wonderful resort failed to appreciate that stability

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Speaker 1: in that region will certainly bring investment. There's plenty. There

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Speaker 1: are a wash in cash over there. The oil revenue

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Speaker 1: still flows into the entire region. So yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: it will be a great option, but you need stability

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Speaker 1: to get the investment. Nobody wants to touch a place

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Speaker 1: with a ten foot poll because you're constantly surrounded by

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Speaker 1: crazies that want to, you know, murder all the Israelis

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Speaker 1: or of course blow things up, and I just it's

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Speaker 1: an impossible situation right now. So the Abraham accordins. I

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Speaker 1: think we're probably one of the greatest accomplishments of the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration if you think about it, just getting those

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Speaker 1: Arab countries to agree to work and play peacey with

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Speaker 1: Israel after so many years. I mean, you and I

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Speaker 1: have both been alive the whole time. There's never been

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Speaker 1: peace in the Middle East, and it's always been discussed

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Speaker 1: ad nauseum, one administration after another, piece in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: piece of the Middle East. I mean, who came closer

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Speaker 1: to bringing that about than Donald Trump?

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Speaker 10: Oh, buddy and Brian. You remember Lebanon's Bay Route was

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Speaker 10: called the Paris of the Middle East. Yeah, before hesbel

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Speaker 10: moved in. Can I say a word about the young

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Speaker 10: people in Iran and the lesson for our young people here.

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Speaker 10: In nineteen seventy nine, during the Jimmy Carter presidency, the

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Speaker 10: first iatola to lead Iran, Iatola Homoney, became a cult

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Speaker 10: figure for college students and faculty both in and outside

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Speaker 10: of Iran. They viewed the Shah as a product of

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Speaker 10: Western imperialism and the Ayahtola as a great spiritual leader.

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Speaker 10: Students and academics were largely responsible for toppling the Shah

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Speaker 10: and bringing the Iyatola back to Iran from the outskirts

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Speaker 10: of the real Paris. What followed was the repression of women,

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Speaker 10: worldwide terror and proxy wars. By two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 10: when Barack Obama took office, he refused to support hundreds

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Speaker 10: of thousands of Iranian protesters, mostly young people, who realized

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Speaker 10: how stupid they had been. Instead, Obama backed radical Muslims

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Speaker 10: in Egypt during the so called Arab Spring, until Obama's

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Speaker 10: Muslim brotherhood was kicked out by the Egyptian people. Now,

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump is trying to reverse the disaster that followed

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Speaker 10: Carter and Obama's inaction, young people in Iran realized their folly.

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Speaker 10: What's tragic and dangerous is that most young people in

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Speaker 10: America don't.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't, And I'm glad at least as we

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Speaker 1: sit here today, there are a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: Iran that are still alive to remember how it was

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Speaker 1: with life under the Shah before the Ayatola took over.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, the woman who used to cut my

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Speaker 1: hair when I lived in Chicago was or probably still is.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she's still alive. We talked about how wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was very western. Women would wear Western clothes if

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Speaker 1: that was a good thing or bad thing. But in

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Speaker 1: other words, they didn't have to cover their faces with

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Speaker 1: the job, and they wouldn't get persecuted. They had rights,

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Speaker 1: they could work, and she described it as a beautiful, modern,

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Speaker 1: wonderful place, only to be supplanted by this outrageous theocracy

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Speaker 1: that they live under now, where women, of course have

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Speaker 1: no say in society. So the remnants of those people

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Speaker 1: who recall it, I am certain, have some connection with

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Speaker 1: the young people now who appreciate the oppression that they're

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Speaker 1: living under. Maybe parents taught their children what it used

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Speaker 1: to be like, and maybe that knowledge and information's taken hold.

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Speaker 1: One can only pray that those young people that have

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Speaker 1: wakened up to this reality and are out protesting in

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Speaker 1: the streets will ultimately prevail. But wasn't it Trump the

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Speaker 1: other day that said, you know, come what may, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to be running the place. And if they

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Speaker 1: elect someone who's as bad as the former Shaw or

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Speaker 1: the former I had told it that we just killed,

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Speaker 1: then that's their prerogative.

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Speaker 10: I mean, public what people have elected in Spain, And

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Speaker 10: could I just say brother, you need another haircut, and

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Speaker 10: we need a new government in Iran. Maybe by next week,

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Speaker 10: by the next time we talk, they'll be real big progress.

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Speaker 1: Another haircut, I just got one on. I'm looking. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking you remember Steve McQueen, his hair his That's kind

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Speaker 1: of what I got going on right now. Jack, So

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Speaker 1: kind of moving on for a couple of nights. I

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Speaker 1: know you have it so anyway, I'm trying to clean

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Speaker 1: up Jack anyway, Thanks man, I appreciate your commentary. As always,

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Speaker 1: I'll look forward. I'm already looking forward to next Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and another edition of The Big Picture. Best of

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Speaker 1: health and love and you and your better half, Jack,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 7: You're too.

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Speaker 1: Bye. Seven one right now, fifty five The Works Pizza

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Speaker 1: Company and Loveland got further Ado subbing in for Donovan

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Speaker 1: and Neil for Americans for Prosperity and hey, no problem

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Speaker 1: with that. Adam Miller with Concerned Veterans for Ohio to

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Speaker 1: talk about military actions and I run Adam, it's a

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the program. Let me start

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Speaker 1: by thanking for you, thanking you for your service to

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Speaker 1: our country.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, and thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Got a busy day to day I see you starting

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Speaker 1: now you're gonna be a Jack Underwood show. Later you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be on the Windsor Report. I got the Windsor

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Speaker 1: Report on on a weekly basis here on Fridays. So

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you getting the word out real quick. Here

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to explain to my listeners about

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Speaker 1: your organization, Concerned Veterans for America HIH that chapter and

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Speaker 1: what you do basically on a day to day basis

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Speaker 1: before we dive on into the Iranian situation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, Concerned Veterans for America were a policy advocacy

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Speaker 5: organization that focuses on issues that they not only impact veterans,

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Speaker 5: but all Americans. You know that for America. Part of

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Speaker 5: our name is kind of that guiding light. So the

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Speaker 5: important work that we do from a legislative perspective, it

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Speaker 5: impacts every American in a positive way. So we are

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Speaker 5: a nonprofit, nonpartisan advocacy organization.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, and that's good news for my veteran friends

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Speaker 1: and the listening audience. All Right, pivoting Over've been talking about,

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Speaker 1: of course since Saturday, the unleashing of fury on the

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Speaker 1: Iranians we've been I guess rather successful. I mean, most

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Speaker 1: notably that we blew all of the leading command and

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Speaker 1: control structure up in one fell swoop. I guess they

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Speaker 1: didn't get the message that there's a thing called a

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Speaker 1: zoom call my friend.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, you know, consermer veterans for America,

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Speaker 5: where we're certainly praying for the safety and security of

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Speaker 5: American service members that are deployed in harm's way, and

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Speaker 5: we mourn the loss and injury of multiple members of

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Speaker 5: the armed forces. And you know, the Iranian regime, it's

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Speaker 5: a brutal regime, and the Iranian people they deserve the

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Speaker 5: right to chart their own paths. But you know, we

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Speaker 5: do believe at the end of the day that that

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Speaker 5: Congress and the President should should debate these actions and

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Speaker 5: you know, possibly hold a vote to authorize or oppose it.

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Speaker 5: You know, the Constitution it does put the war war

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Speaker 5: power making in the hands of Congress. While while we

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Speaker 5: know that Congress hasn't declared war since nineteen forty two,

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Speaker 5: we do think that the American people sure should have

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Speaker 5: a seat at the table.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm glad to hear that, although as

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Speaker 1: I stare at you know, the War Powers Act and

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Speaker 1: the ticking clock of sixty days. You know you need

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Speaker 1: congressional actions. They need to do this. They need to

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Speaker 1: do an authorization of use of military force, and they

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Speaker 1: need a declaration of war. Otherwise, after sixty days, with

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Speaker 1: maybe a thirty day extension, you have to end the

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Speaker 1: military actions. You know, someone who served Adam, I guess,

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Speaker 1: I wonder. I don't personally think. Here's my view of

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen this week Thursday. There's going to

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Speaker 1: be a vote and it probably won't pass. If it

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Speaker 1: does pass by more than fifty percent, then of course

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has a veto, right, There's no way they

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Speaker 1: got the votes to override the veto, which means status quo.

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Speaker 1: The clock remains ticking and the sixty day window will

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Speaker 1: soon be closing, resulting in the withdrawal of the American troops,

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Speaker 1: whether or not it's the right time to do it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that you're understanding Adam, and where do

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Speaker 1: we go from there if that happens.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't think anybody is expecting President Trump to

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Speaker 5: sign a War Powers resolution if it were to pass,

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Speaker 5: but you know, to make it crystal clear, the president

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Speaker 5: has every right to take action when there is a

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Speaker 5: clear and imminent threat. But you know, we've had a

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Speaker 5: long period of build up on this front, and both

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Speaker 5: the President and Congress, you know, we believe that they've

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Speaker 5: missed some opportunity to speak candidly with the American people

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Speaker 5: about as what is actually going on in the region

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Speaker 5: and the risks that are involved. And as you as

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Speaker 5: you said, I'm a post nine to eleven global war

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Speaker 5: on terrorism. Better in myself served two deployments to the region,

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Speaker 5: and you know, during my time, you know that we

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Speaker 5: would consider the operation record Freedom and endless war. There

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Speaker 5: wasn't clear congressional oversight, and there was a lack of

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Speaker 5: clarity in duration, and you know, a lack of a

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Speaker 5: clear end state. So you know, with our men and

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Speaker 5: women on the ground, we definitely think that there needs

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Speaker 5: to be a clear mission, a clear end state communicated

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Speaker 5: to the American people.

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Speaker 1: So in when you were serving in combat and in

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Speaker 1: your time in the service, were these types you mentioned

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Speaker 1: the lack of clarity while you were dealing with that,

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Speaker 1: is that something that was regularly discussed among the frontline troops.

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Speaker 1: You know, none of your friends who were also serving

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Speaker 1: at the time.

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Speaker 5: Most definitely because because the mission and our operations had

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Speaker 5: changed on so many different fronts throughout the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: Whether you know, I was deployed to southern Lebanon, I

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Speaker 5: was deployed to to the Horn of Africa, I was

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Speaker 5: deployed to western Iraq. So there was a lot of

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Speaker 5: questions around, you know, what our deployments actually looked like,

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Speaker 5: but also the impact of those deployments on our nation

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Speaker 5: service members. I mean, the last time I was on

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Speaker 5: your show, well we had talked at length about veterans

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Speaker 5: healthcare and the issues of you know, two decades of

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Speaker 5: sustained combat has on veterans' mental health and just their

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Speaker 5: overall health care. So there's a lot of variables at

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Speaker 5: play here when we get engaged in these very serious conflicts.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm actually so pleased that you brought that up,

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Speaker 1: because it was festering in the back of my mind.

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Speaker 1: I have a good friend who's a career submariner, and

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Speaker 1: I call him Cribage Mike. Mike's a great guy, and

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Speaker 1: he mentioned that that tension that those men and women

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Speaker 1: serving on the Navy, serving in the Navy or anyplace

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Speaker 1: else in combat sustained you know, basically twenty four to

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Speaker 1: sevens attention, worry, and concern. Some missile might come out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere and blow the boat up or blow the

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Speaker 1: sub up, or you know, a bomb I could drop

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Speaker 1: in your camp where you're serving in one of the

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Speaker 1: various bases over there. You experienced that, I I that

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Speaker 1: that is I guess isn't that the source and genesis

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Speaker 1: of what we call post traumatic stress? Living under that

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Speaker 1: constant adrenaline and worry and fear, and then once your

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Speaker 1: return home from service, you can't turn that off.

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Speaker 5: Sure, And in America's war fighters, you know, they're they're

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Speaker 5: they're they're trained well and and they're up to the challenge.

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Speaker 5: But you know, some of these experiences that that we

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Speaker 5: face overseas, they do have you know, physical and mental impacts,

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Speaker 5: and we have to weigh those types of variables when

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Speaker 5: when we when we go and start conflicts like this.

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Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, if if we look at you know,

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Speaker 5: what the the Iranian regime is doing now, I mean

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Speaker 5: they're targeting civilians. Yeah, you know, our partners in the region,

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Speaker 5: like UAE, they're clearly not prepared for this conflict. And

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Speaker 5: you know there's from the latest numbers the State Department

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Speaker 5: that says that there's you know, around a million Americans

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Speaker 5: that are that are in the region with tens of

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Speaker 5: thousands that are trying to get out. So it's not

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Speaker 5: just really a military perspective, it is a civilian perspective,

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Speaker 5: and how the Iranian regeam is targeting civilians at will.

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Speaker 1: Well, I would put you on this on the spot here,

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Speaker 1: Adam Miller from Concerned Veterans for America, Ohio. Where do

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Speaker 1: you see this going? I mean, you know what, what

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Speaker 1: does Adam Obviously Adam Miller wants a success in the region,

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Speaker 1: perhaps stability in the reason we all can pray for that.

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Speaker 1: But where do you see this specific conflict going? Given

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Speaker 1: the war powers, you know, vote perhaps it's happening this week,

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Speaker 1: and the disagreement among members of Congress whether or not

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump should even be there. We have that whole

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Speaker 1: Trump rangent syndrome. We got a factor into the equation

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Speaker 1: because I think a lot of Democrats would feel otherwise

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't Donald Trump running the country. But where

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Speaker 1: do you see it going, Adam?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's still a lot of unknowns, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I would kind of go back to you know, as

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Speaker 5: we talk about this debate, is you know President Obama,

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Speaker 5: you know, he had you know, authorized operations and Libya

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Speaker 5: for for seven months, and operations in Syria without congressional approval.

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Speaker 5: So there is a little bit of a history here.

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Speaker 5: But I would say, you know, I don't I don't

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Speaker 5: think anybody is crying over you know, the regime or

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Speaker 5: at least some of the heads of the regime being

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Speaker 5: you know, dismantled at this point. But again there's still

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Speaker 5: a lot of information coming out and kind of putting

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Speaker 5: all the pieces together, and we and we really don't

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Speaker 5: have a lot of clarity yet. But I guess my

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Speaker 5: message to to your listeners and to everyone here is,

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Speaker 5: you know, there's there's a lot of issues here in

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Speaker 5: the United States, and we we've seen what what happens

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Speaker 5: when when these conflicts you know, happen with you know,

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Speaker 5: just looking at Opek and look at some of the

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Speaker 5: some of the oil prices, and that's again another example

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Speaker 5: of why we need to unleash American energy here at home.

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Speaker 5: You know, there there is an affordability crisis that many

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Speaker 5: Americans are facing, and you know, being less reliant on

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Speaker 5: regions like the Middle East from from an energy perspective,

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Speaker 5: I think is important and probably is top of mind

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Speaker 5: for a lot of Americans who are struggling financially that question.

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Speaker 1: That's why Donald Trump's all the above strategy with regard

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01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: to energy may save us from well the global warming

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01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,919
Speaker 1: alarmist religion that's out there that basically was a masculating

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Speaker 1: the United States ability to be independent and have sufficient energy.

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Speaker 1: Excellent point, Adam Miller. Adam Miller from Concerned Veterans for

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Speaker 1: America Before we park copany Adam, anything else you want

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Speaker 1: to interject here before we separate this morning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, you know, we've we've seen a

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Speaker 5: lot of kind of tactical wins on this front, and

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Speaker 5: I would say, you know, while while those are important,

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Speaker 5: they don't automatically translate into a clear strategy for the

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01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 5: American people. So we do depend on our representatives in

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Speaker 5: Congress to provide that clarity or to make the case

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Speaker 5: to the American people of why, you know, our treasure

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Speaker 5: and our resources and our US troops should should be

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Speaker 5: deployed onto these forward areas. So it's a continuing conversation.

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Speaker 5: You know, we have over forty thousand US troops in

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Speaker 5: the region, and we need to make sure sure that

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Speaker 5: that their safety and security is first and foremost first.

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Speaker 5: And obviously continue praying for.

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Speaker 1: Those that we have lost, absolutely start to finish, I

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01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: won't stop that. I will continue my prayers for them.

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Speaker 1: And also, let's face it, the casualties of war quite

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Speaker 1: often involve a bunch of innocent civilians and we all

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Speaker 1: can pray for them as well and hope they stay

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Speaker 1: out of harm's way. Station. If you have KCD talk station,

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Speaker 1: you know me. I love helping my American veteran friends,

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Speaker 1: and I know somebody that even more so loved help

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Speaker 1: was American American veteran friends. Fellow veteran Steve Belzow in

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Speaker 1: studio from the Klamat County Veteran Services Commission. Steve again

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01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: in studio. I appreciate you coming in and I appreciate

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01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: what you and the Veteran Services Commissioner doing for the

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01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: American veterans. Good to have you back in the studio.

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Speaker 11: Brian's good to be back with you always educating the masses.

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Speaker 1: So thanks for what you do and I appreciate your

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01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,560
Speaker 1: notes in Oh shocking this complexity of filling the or

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01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:59,440
Speaker 1: filing VA claims. You mean the federal government makes things complex?

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01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:01,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that never happens.

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Speaker 11: Can you imagine, geez? I mean, we have workers compensation

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01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 11: insurance on every business that's out there, but yet the

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01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 11: federal government can sends you away without even a token

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01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 11: of responsibility for your injuries incurred while serving them.

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01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's why we have the Claimont County Veteran Services

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01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 1: and the other Veteran service organizations to help along with these.

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01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: So how does filing acclaim with the Clamart County Veteran

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Speaker 1: Service Office differ from others?

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01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 11: The uniqueness about our not just Clermont but County Veteran

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Speaker 11: Service officers.

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Speaker 1: You're going to give love to the other ones out

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01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: of the world.

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Speaker 11: He you know what, we're serving veterans, right, So we

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01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 11: have large veteran service organizations, the VFW Veterans of Foreign

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01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 11: Wars h Vietnam Veterans America pow RIGHT. So we have

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01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 11: these organizations that are federally mandated to file on behalf

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01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 11: of veterans in that process. In the in the umbrella

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01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 11: of applying, they don't have the depth to see into

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01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 11: the VA they can apply on your behalf. They know

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01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 11: the forms to apply. They're know the process to apply.

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01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 11: What's different about a County Veteran Service Office is because

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01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 11: of the accreditations they receive. They can look into the

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01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 11: VA records to see where you've been, what you have

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01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 11: filed for, how it's been filed for you, and then

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 11: move it forward. Does it need to go into appeal

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01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 11: instead of doing the same form again thinking you're changing

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01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 11: small dog to puppy and this time it's going to

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01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 11: get through. No, it should have been in an additional

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01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 11: form to be filed in accordance with the claim you're

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01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 11: filing for.

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01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: See, this is something you know. I of course have

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01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about. That's why we have you,

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01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,719
Speaker 1: That's why the veterans tell you. You get this little

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01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: bureaucratic layer all sorted out. You know what needs to

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01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: be done?

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01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 11: Absolutely right?

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01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: All right, Since we're up to a break, we're going

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01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,640
Speaker 1: to continue this process because you know, we need to

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01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: know you know, what does it cost money file acclaim?

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01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: How to veterans See the talk station at fifty five

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01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: KCD Talk station Brian Thomas with Steve Belso, County County

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01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: Veteran Services Commission. I am I am reeling over this reality.

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01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: I mean you brought me some notes and the idea

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01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 1: that I'm staring at that a veteran could be charged

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01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: to have a claim process for his VA benefit, his

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01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: or her VA benefit. Steve, I am I understanding that right.

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01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 11: It is a one it's filing claims right, So.

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01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 1: What just just walk through step I said, how a

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01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: veteran might be charged under this considering as you point

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01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:36,879
Speaker 1: out it, there is no charge in connection with final acclaim.

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01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 11: That's rrect.

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01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: So if you spring from that proposition, how a mice

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01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: looking at something that says the veterans may be charged.

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01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 11: It's because veterans don't know. Oh Via do Gov has

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01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 11: a way that you can file on your own behalf

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01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 11: on the website when you established your website free now

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01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 11: convoluted but free Veteran service officers. Every county in Ohio

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01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 11: has a Veteran Service office who has been trained up

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01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 11: to six time continuing education every year credits. They have

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01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 11: to receive FIUL on your behalf for free free. Not

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01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 11: only that, know how to obtain your DD two fourteen.

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01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 11: If you don't have it, we'll give your website to

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01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 11: get it to have it right for free. We will

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01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 11: put it on our county records for you for free.

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01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,560
Speaker 11: As a matter of fact, we will give you a

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01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 11: free Veterans ID card instead of carrying your DD two

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01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 11: fourteen that you can prove you're a veteran. And yet

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01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 11: we have these these companies making business nature of bores

1579
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 11: a vacuum, and don't businesses love an open way to

1580
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 11: move into grab some capital.

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01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 1: Here, So a veteran who's not aware of the Veterans

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01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Service office in their county that they would get all

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01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: this for free. It's kind of a wash in this

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01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 1: weird sea of convoluted regulations. Ergo, some company pops up

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01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: and says, hi, we're here to help you out, for

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01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: which they charge money.

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01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:58,839
Speaker 11: Absolutely, Or what if you didn't supply enough corroborating evidence

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01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 11: to show the it's occurred on active duty and it's

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01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 11: still affecting you today and you were denied, Well, now

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01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 11: there's an appeals process you.

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01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,480
Speaker 1: Would go through this determination disability.

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01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 11: Absolutely, So the VEDRA says, well, that's ridiculous. I'm going

1593
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 11: to go hire a lawyer. Now what happens is there

1594
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 11: are individuals out there who are accredited with doing this,

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01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 11: and what they will do is they're not allowed to

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01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 11: charge you potentially on the front side House Bill seven

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Speaker 11: o eight. Sitting on the House floor now is a

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01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 11: measure to start to corral some of this. But listen

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01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 11: to the final end of this. It is compensation must

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01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 11: be contingent on an increase in awarded benefits and is

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01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 11: capped at five times the monthly increase achieved. So if

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01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 11: I'm Johnny Bannatt's and I've never received a compensation for

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01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 11: my disabilities from active duty, and all of a sudden,

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01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 11: the VA says, you know what, Yes, we're gonna call

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01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 11: you fifty percent disabled based on your disabilities, and we're

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01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 11: gonna do a retroactive pay to nineteen eighty nineteen seventy five.

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01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 11: I mean, there's times we see retroactive pay coming in

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01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 11: at hundreds of thousands of dollars because of these injuries.

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01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: Agent orton exposure, exposure fill in the blank, absolutely right.

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01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 11: Awarded benefits is capped at five times the monthly increase achieved,

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01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 11: five times fivefold. How long is that veteran going to

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01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 11: pay before he ever he or she ever receives their benefit.

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01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 11: Because the filing individual outside of a veteran service organization

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01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 11: or the commission in the county is able to charge back,

1615
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 11: and that money comes direct from the federal government to

1616
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 11: that organization before it comes to the veteran.

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01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 1: So they get their slice of the take first and

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01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 1: the veteran gets what's left over until it's paid. And

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01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: this is the proposed legislation.

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01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 11: This is putting a cap on what is happening. Oh,

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01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 11: I see a cap So right now, there was a

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01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,439
Speaker 11: veteran came up from Georgia to come see my office.

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01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 11: It turns out he had an individual out in the

1624
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 11: some county in Georgia who had a certification probably a

1625
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 11: national certification to file benefits and they have to have

1626
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 11: a power of attorney to file on your behalf. But

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01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 11: what happens is is they hold on to that power

1628
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 11: of attorney and won't release it until they received their funds.

1629
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 11: So if there's other issues you need to file for,

1630
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 11: you have to go back to that individual to keep

1631
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 11: filing or wait until they're paid that they'll release the

1632
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 11: power of attorney that a county service officer then can

1633
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 11: take your file. It's an extortion, it apps, Oh my gosh,

1634
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 11: it is. Yes.

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01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I asked you off air if there were attorney attorneys

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01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: general or Attorney General in the state of hiring to

1637
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: make looking at this because it sounds to me nefarious.

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01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to say out loud criminal, even though

1639
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: he just did, but you know, not knowing enough about

1640
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 1: this particular scenario, it sounds like it could be criminal.

1641
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 11: Well, and I think that's why they're putting Ohio House

1642
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 11: Bill seven of eight on the floor.

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01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: And it's least to.

1644
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 11: Draw this in somewhat, right, So you can't have excessive

1645
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 11: fees anymore, even though five times the allotted benefit I

1646
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 11: still consider excessive. Protecting veterans from deceptive or exploitive practices, right,

1647
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 11: So you get a letter in the mail, and how

1648
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 11: many times do they come, like car insurance, Hey, this

1649
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 11: is the last time we're going to connect you. Right,

1650
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 11: it's a marketing thing.

1651
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: Send out to veterans who don't know the complexities of

1652
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 1: what they're dealing with. So moving away from this nonsense

1653
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: that's going on out there, and God love the American

1654
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: veteran that's why you're there, that Clairemont County Veteran Services.

1655
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 1: You understand all this. You can steer them away from

1656
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: the potentially unlawful activity that's going on out there. That's

1657
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 1: why I perceive it right and send them down the

1658
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 1: path with free absolutely right.

1659
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 11: Now there are some I want my money. I want

1660
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,559
Speaker 11: my money now, they're going to elect these these routes.

1661
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 1: It is not.

1662
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 11: It is not to your benefit just because of you believe.

1663
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:19,599
Speaker 11: It's speed to the end. It's about doing it right

1664
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 11: and assuring it's established and then once we have that

1665
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 11: core issue identified benefited, now we can work on tertiary

1666
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:31,600
Speaker 11: issues that may stem from that. But many do it

1667
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 11: in an opposite direction, and the VA just keeps denying

1668
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 11: because it's not the core issue. There's a methodology to

1669
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 11: the schematic.

1670
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: Of this thing, and you're trained over and over and

1671
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: over again, correct annual training and upgrade training and you know,

1672
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: like continuing legal education, which I have to take. That's

1673
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 1: the Claremont County Veteran Services and the other Veteran Services

1674
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: commissions in each county. Please veterans utilize and rely on

1675
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: these resources. They're there for you. They're going to keep

1676
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: you out of these problems in troubles and may take

1677
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: a little time, but at least it's better than trying

1678
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: to coff on your own.

1679
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 11: Oh my word, the loss of revenue to support your

1680
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 11: family to support your issue right. All this is off

1681
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 11: to offset that which you're abated in life because of

1682
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 11: your service on active duty.

1683
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dee, for your ongoing commitment to

1684
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,719
Speaker 1: the American veteran and for your prior service to our country.

1685
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,719
Speaker 1: Appreciate what you and all the folks at Claremont County

1686
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Veteran Service Commissioner are doing. I'll look forward to having

1687
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 1: you back and keep spreading the information so my veterans

1688
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 1: can sta out of trouble and get that well oiled

1689
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 1: machine that you provide working for them right, including transportation

1690
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: to their medical appointments. Take care of my friend. It's

1691
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 1: always a pleasure having you here. Stick around, folks. F

1692
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: OP President Ken Kober returns to the program after the

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01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: top of the hour sah O six fifty five k

1694
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: r C the talk station Brian Thomas switching around, a

1695
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: very happy Wednesday and another reminder. We're gonna be a

1696
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 1: listener to launch at Works Pizza Company in downtown lovel

1697
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Of today about eleven thirty ish. If you can make

1698
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I'd love to see you and I love handing on

1699
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 1: the fifty five KRC morning shoot. Timing is everything. That's

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01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,479
Speaker 1: why we have Ken Coober, the FOP president representing the

1701
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,519
Speaker 1: Sin Sinnt Police Department union, back on the program because

1702
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 1: apparently we have something called the revolving door of justice

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Speaker 1: in Hamilton County. Ken Kober, welcome back. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of that?

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Speaker 7: Good morning Brian yet. Thanks forming No, I've heard of that.

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Speaker 7: I've witnessed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you have. And sort of joking as

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Speaker 1: a start, but let's review what we're talking about here.

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Speaker 1: We got the shooting issue that happened at Riverfront Live,

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Speaker 1: which is a music venue. Franique Cobb, who's twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and Derek Long twenty nine, apparently had a beef with

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Speaker 1: each other and thought it was appropriate in a crowded

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Speaker 1: room filled with between five hundred and nine hundred people.

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Speaker 1: The numbers vary from wherever you read about it, they

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Speaker 1: just decided to open fire. Nine people got shot. This

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Speaker 1: made national headlines and of course there's charges in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 1: But apparently these people don't represent much of a threat

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Speaker 1: to society because when they were in front of a judge,

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Speaker 1: at least the one that was in front of a

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Speaker 1: jobb Frenique Cobb, who is known to law enforcement and

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Speaker 1: carrying a firearm and shooting with it. He was under

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Speaker 1: a disability, which means he's had prior involvement in the

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Speaker 1: justice system with a crime that probably was a felony.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed lawfully to even carry a firearm. He

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Speaker 1: ignored that he broke the law. So but being in

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Speaker 1: front of a judge in Hamilton County, the judge issued

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Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars bond. Fifty thousand dollars bond. Now,

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors asked for high bond. They could have requested

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Speaker 1: no bond. In other words, I'm sorry, he represents a

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Speaker 1: danger to society. You can't let him out. But for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, they asked for high bond and the judge said, nah,

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Even Mayor Aftab Paraval has now come

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Speaker 1: out saying he's appalled at that ken he found criminal justice.

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Speaker 1: Aftab per ofval I thought he was all about woke,

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Speaker 1: revolving door justice in Hamilton County. Let's what's your take

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Speaker 1: on all this.

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Speaker 12: I could say, first of all, these two guys, neither

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Speaker 12: one of them have any part of being in society.

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Speaker 12: To do something like this is just absolutely unthinkable. Like

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Speaker 12: Forrinny Cobb. He just got out of prison in.

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Speaker 7: December on a gun charge. Here we are two months later.

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Speaker 7: We need more laws, yeah, exactly what. We need more

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Speaker 7: laws or we need laws to be enforced.

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Speaker 12: And thank thankfully we had the ATF and you know

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Speaker 12: the Southern Ohio District Attorney Dominic Jerrasi that stepped in

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Speaker 12: and said, we know what's going to happen here in

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Speaker 12: Hamilton County. So before they were able to make a bond,

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Speaker 12: they signed federal charges on them. Those federal charges are

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Speaker 12: going to stick and both of these guys are going

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Speaker 12: to end up in the federal prison system for a

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Speaker 12: very long time, where we know that they would get

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Speaker 12: you know, probation in a book report if they were

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Speaker 12: here in local charges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I wanted to ask you about,

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Speaker 1: because they have been charged with illegally possessing a firearm

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Speaker 1: or ammunition as a convicted felon, which is like possessing

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Speaker 1: weapons with the disability that in and of itself is

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Speaker 1: a crime. And from what I understand, each charge allows

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Speaker 1: them to face up to fifteen years in prison. So

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Speaker 1: this is big boy time here. But let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this, how unusual it is in a case if

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Speaker 1: there was a comparable case. How unusual it is it

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Speaker 1: for the federal for federal involvement, for the souther in

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Speaker 1: District of Ohio Attorney US attorney to get involved and

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Speaker 1: have federal charges filed against someone.

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Speaker 7: It's not terribly unusual.

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Speaker 12: It doesn't happen a ton, but I can tell you

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Speaker 12: right now it's going to happen more and more and more.

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Speaker 12: You know, Dominic when he got a pointed to this position,

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Speaker 12: he made it very clear that if the local courts

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Speaker 12: and the local prosecutor's office, local judges don't want to

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Speaker 12: do their job to protect Hamilton County, then he and

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Speaker 12: his team will step in and they will do it.

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Speaker 12: And he's showing exactly that, And I'd venture to guess

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Speaker 12: that you're going to see a lot more of this

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Speaker 12: in the future, especially with those that have long criminal

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Speaker 12: histories involving violence and guns. The easiest way is to

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Speaker 12: just take them federal and be done with it, because

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Speaker 12: we know that the federal court doesn't mess around, nor

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Speaker 12: do the prosecutors the judges, and unfortunately we just don't

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Speaker 12: have that in Hamilton County. So thankfully we have some

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Speaker 12: Feds that are willing to step up and do it well.

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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine, who I know you're familiar with and

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Speaker 1: as the inside scoop and skinny on a lot. She

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Speaker 1: wrote at length about the reality of these two men,

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Speaker 1: their involvement with the court system, and she went through

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Speaker 1: their records in glorious detail. These are not great guys

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Speaker 1: at all. Of course, both of them were prohibited from

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Speaker 1: carrying and owning a firearm, and Afteb Purval had Today

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Speaker 1: it was made aware that bond has been issued for

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Speaker 1: one of the two suspects arrested in connection to Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning's mass casualty shooting. Here's the sailing part. The decision

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Speaker 1: to allow for the release of the accused is problematic

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Speaker 1: and extremely concerning, and I stand in opposition. This is

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Speaker 1: a community safety issue. The accused, after such a horrific

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Speaker 1: event involving so many victims, should not be on the

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Speaker 1: streets during the court process. Fine, that sounds like something

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Speaker 1: you or I might say. But according to Signal ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: before he became mayor, while serving as the Hamilton County

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Speaker 1: Clerk of Courts, he had a meeting with Democratic judges

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Speaker 1: and had something to say to them, embrace the low

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Speaker 1: bail slash, no bail and soft sentencing philosophy or face

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Speaker 1: being primaried. Signal ninety nine said at the time, one

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Speaker 1: judge stood up and said, hey, then primary me, because

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Speaker 1: no one's going to tell me how to run my courtrooms.

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Speaker 1: This is something that the mayor actually wanted. This soft

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Speaker 1: on crime, low bond, no bond nonsense.

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Speaker 7: Ken, Well, we've seen it time after time.

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Speaker 12: I've asked the mayor myself, you know, every time something

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Speaker 12: like this happens, when are you going to come out

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Speaker 12: and speak about these judges that are endangering Hamilton County?

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Speaker 7: Until yesterday, he's just refused to do it. So I

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Speaker 7: don't know. Maybe maybe there's a change of heart. I

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Speaker 7: doubt it, but we'll see.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 12: Certainly was a step in the right direction to see

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Speaker 12: the mayor of the city actually come out and say something.

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Speaker 12: Whether it was it was you know, completely from the

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Speaker 12: hard or not it was, it was nice to actually

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Speaker 12: see a city leader come out and recognize that the

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Speaker 12: court system is the problem in this situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, it clearly is. And question is whether the judges

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Speaker 1: will heed his seemingly changed attitude. I guess he's going

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Speaker 1: to have to get iris Rowley's consent to actually move

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Speaker 1: forward with a new way.

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Speaker 7: Ken, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe he got it already.

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Speaker 12: I don't know's I'm sure that was a closed door meeting,

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Speaker 12: probably done an execut.

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Speaker 1: Session perhaps, so well. Glad to see the FEDS are involved,

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Speaker 1: and I guess that's maybe a warning shot over the

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Speaker 1: battle the Hamlin County Prosecutor's office. But we'll wait to

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Speaker 1: see on that, Ken Cober, do you have any new

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Speaker 1: information about Police Chief Thiji? This this is truly bizarre,

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Speaker 1: the whole idea behind Police Chief Thiji being placed on

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Speaker 1: administrative leave. And you know, my listeners can say what

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Speaker 1: they want about Thigi, but at the time they placed

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Speaker 1: her on administrative leave, they didn't articulate a single syllable

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Speaker 1: of reason why she needed to be placed on administrative leave.

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Speaker 1: They didn't point specific, you know, a misconduct or dereliction

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Speaker 1: of duty, whatever. And we know there's probably going to

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Speaker 1: be a lawsuit on that one, so they hired a

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Speaker 1: law firm to investigate it, I guess retroactively. So we

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Speaker 1: penalize her and then we hire a law firm to

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Speaker 1: find something to hang our hat on to justify that.

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Speaker 1: And that's That's how I understand the scenario right now.

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Speaker 1: And they extended that law firm's investigation now twice because

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Speaker 1: I guess they couldn't find anything. Do you know anything

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Speaker 1: else that's going on behind the scenes on that or

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Speaker 1: do I have my is my understanding of the facts

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Speaker 1: on that? Correct sir, No, you're right, and they keep.

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Speaker 12: On extending it because there's nothing there. I mean, you

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Speaker 12: look at this woman's impeccable service record, and there's nothing there.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 7: The one thing that just.

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Speaker 12: Stands out is the last press conference she did before

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Speaker 12: she was put on administrative leave, and like the last

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Speaker 12: couple of sentences where she talked about how cops are

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Speaker 12: gonna go out, they're going to go and enforce low

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Speaker 12: level nuisance crimes, quality of life crimes, because we've got

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Speaker 12: to protect this community.

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Speaker 7: And all of a sudden was two days.

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Speaker 12: Later, she's being told to come home from out west

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Speaker 12: because she's gonna be put on administrative leave. And like

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Speaker 12: I said, this whole last but four or five months,

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Speaker 12: you know, they've been investigating, and we're gonna extend this further.

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Speaker 12: We're gonna it could because there's absolutely nothing there. And

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Speaker 12: I think city council and the mayor and city manager

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Speaker 12: scratching their head, going, well, we hired these people. There's

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Speaker 12: nothing here. If we fire her, she's gonna sue us,

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Speaker 12: and we're gonna risk millions and millions again.

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Speaker 7: So what do we do? What do we do?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, we're just gonna punt. We'll just keep

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Speaker 12: on kicking this can down the road. You know, the

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Speaker 12: longer it goes on, maybe the public will forget about it.

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Speaker 12: I tell you, the public's not going to forget about it,

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Speaker 12: nor is the Fraternal Order of Police and Kobert.

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Speaker 1: We made national headlines with this incident. I guess Mayor

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Speaker 1: Feldy had to stand up and say something, recognized that

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Speaker 1: the whole country's focus might be on him.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well that's that's the reality of this is. It's

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Speaker 12: just nonsense and it's not going to go It's not

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Speaker 12: going to bode well for the city.

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Speaker 7: However, this comes to a conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know it's interesting. The mayor now has

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Speaker 1: apparently come around to Police Chief Thiji's this pronouncement on

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Speaker 1: bond hearing, apparently before she was placed on administrative leave

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Speaker 1: at least camera nighter with the Enquirer's reporting that she

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Speaker 1: had called this, since she did call the justice systems

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Speaker 1: of revolving door before being placed on administrative leave. Obviously

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Speaker 1: has a problem with the administration of justice, the low

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Speaker 1: bonds and maybe the actions of prosecutors, you know, offering

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Speaker 1: plea deals for pretty horrific crimes in order to not

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Speaker 1: have to try case. Is that's a problem too, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's been a problem for years, you know, and

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01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 12: it just keeps on building up and building up, and

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Speaker 12: then now, you know, you have a mass shooting and

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Speaker 12: now all of a sudden, everybody wants to act like they're.

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Speaker 7: Appalled, like, oh my gosh, how do we get here?

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Speaker 7: We know exactly how we got here.

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Speaker 12: This county got here by electing these judges that are

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01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 12: soft on bail, soft on crime, and we continue to

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01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:24,600
Speaker 12: see it to happen. Watch this next election cycle that

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01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 12: you're likely going to see more of the same until

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01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 12: these voters decide that they're sick of it and they're

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Speaker 12: going to actually start voting and being you know, knowledgeable

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Speaker 12: about who these candidates are and knowing the ones that

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01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:39,719
Speaker 12: stand for law and order in the ones that don't.

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Speaker 7: Until that happens, we're going.

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Speaker 12: To continue to talk about this. You could put hit

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Speaker 12: Me on your show every week and we're going to

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Speaker 12: continue to.

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Speaker 7: Talk about this nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Listen, that's fine with me. I'm going to get the

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Speaker 1: word out. And as I stare at the election map

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Speaker 1: from last November, in all of those areas, the vast

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Speaker 1: majority of downtown Cincinnati, the city limits voted eighty five

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Speaker 1: to one hundred percent have to have Purvoll and the

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Speaker 1: current council members, which of course meant they voted also

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Speaker 1: for Cheryl Long to remain in place, and the presence

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Speaker 1: of Iris Rolly under contract that was known to the

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Speaker 1: people before the vote. So I don't know, maybe people

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Speaker 1: don't care. And to that end, Kenkober, when you talk

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Speaker 1: to your officers who are actually out on the street

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Speaker 1: in all of these various neighborhoods, do you get the

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Speaker 1: sense from the community members people that you're protecting and serving,

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Speaker 1: that they like you being there, that you're not an

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Speaker 1: evil force to be reckoned with, that they want you

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Speaker 1: there to help try to eliminate or or at least

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Speaker 1: prevent crime in their neighborhoods. Or is this philosophy the

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Speaker 1: police are bad well kind of a problem generally, speaking

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Speaker 1: that you confront that component every day.

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Speaker 12: Now, the good people of this city are tired of

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Speaker 12: this nonsense. I would figure, Yeah, the question becomes, what

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Speaker 12: are they going to do to become informed voters, because

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Speaker 12: that's ultimately what has to happen.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you look, I looked at some of.

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Speaker 12: These social media posts about this, and the people of

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Speaker 12: this city that are absolutely.

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Speaker 7: Appalled that a bond was even issued. I mean, this

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Speaker 7: is something where normally, you know, normally it's the kind

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Speaker 7: of fifty to fifty, you know, whatever, you know, but

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Speaker 7: I mean this case, it's.

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Speaker 12: Like ninety nine percent of the people are appalled that

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Speaker 12: they would allow somebody a judge would allow somebody that

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Speaker 12: comes into a busy nightclub with they said, five hundred,

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Speaker 12: six hundred and seven hundred people pull out a gun

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Speaker 12: and start shooting, and that they would actually get a bond.

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Speaker 12: If that is not a danger to society, I don't

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Speaker 12: know what is. And if, of course, we remember the

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Speaker 12: law that was passed by the voters of Ohio says

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Speaker 12: that judges have to consider public safety when issuing bonds,

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Speaker 12: and that clearly wasn't done in this case.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. This and you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: the reason that I don't have any idea, and it's

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Speaker 1: been the questions are swirling around the prosecutor who didn't

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Speaker 1: ask for no bond in this case as opposed to

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Speaker 1: just asking for high bond. Judges clearly have a lot

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Speaker 1: of discretion, but in this particular case, I think she

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Speaker 1: the judge, completely ignored the public. This guy has a record.

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Speaker 1: He was carrying a firearm when he was not lawfully

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Speaker 1: entitled to carry one. He started firing indiscriminately into a

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Speaker 1: crowd of people. If that doesn't represent a threat to

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Speaker 1: the community, what does Ken No.

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Speaker 7: I agree, like I said, and you look at his record.

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Speaker 7: He just got out of prison right.

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Speaker 1: Before Christmas, a recidivus.

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Speaker 12: He couldn't even make it the springtime without picking up

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Speaker 12: a gun and trying to shoot somebody.

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Speaker 1: Ken Kober, FOP President on behalf of my entire listening

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Speaker 1: audience and the fifty five care s Day Morning show,

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Speaker 1: and me personally, I appreciate each and each and every

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Speaker 1: one of the insane police officers may disagree on some levels,

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Speaker 1: but we thank you for your commitment to the community,

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Speaker 1: your willingness to go out into this environment and protect

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Speaker 1: and serve in spite of the reality that you're dealing

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Speaker 1: with a revolving door. And you know, maybe Police Chiefdiji

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Speaker 1: was right. She told the truth that it is a

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Speaker 1: revolving door and the police aren't going to bother with

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Speaker 1: serious crimes because they don't feel it's worth their while

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Speaker 1: for that. You get kicked out, crazy Ken. Keep up

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Speaker 1: the great work. You always have a spot here on

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Speaker 1: the fifty five Carse Morning Show.

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Speaker 7: Thanks having Brian.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it anytime. Brother eight nineteen. Right now at

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Speaker 1: fifty five car Sea de Talk station, Jays Louise got

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Speaker 1: a moment or two. Maybe take a call before we

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Speaker 1: get to judge in on Thepolitano.

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Speaker 13: continue to work with an accident at westbound two seventy.

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Speaker 1: Five near Ward's Corner.

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Speaker 13: Traffic is heavy from the Milford Parkway southbound seventy one

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Speaker 13: break lights from two to seventy five past Red Bank.

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Speaker 13: Southbound seventy five heavy in and out of Lackland. Northbound

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Speaker 13: seventy five is over a fifteen minute delay out of

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Speaker 13: Florence into downtown this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We spring forward and our next guest.

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Speaker 13: Will be personally going door to door to fix all

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Speaker 13: your clocks, and for an added donation, we'll be able

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Speaker 13: to change the batteries and your smoke detector. Yes, you're right,

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Speaker 13: the Judge is next Chuck Ingram on fifty five krs

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Speaker 13: the talk station.

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Speaker 1: Hey thirty one at fifty five krs detalk station. At

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Speaker 1: that time of week we talk constitutional well, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the constitution regularly. It's Judge Ennenapolotan and welcome back,

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Speaker 1: my friend. It's always a pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 1: the morning show.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Brian. It's good to be here. And woops,

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Speaker 3: are you still there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Oh all right, Well I can't see you all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, anyway, I see you can't get it back anyway.

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Speaker 3: I'm here, I'm happy to I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: And there we are back to seeing each other. I

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Speaker 3: don't put batteries into smoke detectors and other people's homes.

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Speaker 3: And I hate the concept of changing the time an

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Speaker 3: hour twice a year.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, even though it has nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: the crazy world in which we find ourselves in the

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Speaker 1: war we're going to talk about right now. I'm with

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Speaker 1: you all day long. Could they just pick a time

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Speaker 1: and stick with it?

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Speaker 7: Right right?

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Speaker 3: I mean this goes back to World War Two when

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Speaker 3: they were worried about Nazi planes being able to see

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Speaker 3: lights on in people's homes, or farmers not having the

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Speaker 3: sun available when they were collecting their crops. This is

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Speaker 3: ridiculous in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't forget. We have elected people who think Guam

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Speaker 1: can capsize your honors. So we've elect people who think

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Speaker 1: they can change time. Okay, well, thank you for the

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Speaker 1: levity on that one. I'm glad you share my agreement

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Speaker 1: that we just need to stick with something and quit

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Speaker 1: doing it all right, WI your calm, I know you.

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Speaker 1: You call this unlawful, unconstitutional war. You articulate all the

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Speaker 1: reasons in your colum which comes out tonight, Trump's unjust

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Speaker 1: and unconstitutional war. I wanted to pivot over because this

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Speaker 1: is something you and I have talked about time and

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Speaker 1: time again. The War Powers Act nineteen seventy three, in

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Speaker 1: order to reign in Nixon on Vietnam, which have been raging.

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Speaker 1: I guess we had advisors in Vietnam. Back to the

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Speaker 1: late nineteen fifties, Kennedy inherited that it just got bigger

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Speaker 1: and bigger and bigger, and we can all sit back

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Speaker 1: and ask ourselves, why how did that conflict rage on

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Speaker 1: until nineteen seventy three or four when there was no

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Speaker 1: declaration of war? And this was a time that preceded

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Speaker 1: the authorization of use of military force, which wasn't that

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Speaker 1: brought about by the Warpowers Act itself?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, and yes, I mean the Vietnam War

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Speaker 3: is an example of the slow and inexorable growth of

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Speaker 3: presidential force, where instead of declaring war, Congress ratifies a

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Speaker 3: war that has already been started by the president. This

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Speaker 3: would have been anathema to Jefferson, Madison, even Washington and Adams,

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Speaker 3: any of the framers and the founders at the creation

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Speaker 3: of the Republic. Trump has taken this to a new

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Speaker 3: level by giving one version of why he's doing this

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Speaker 3: in a public diatribe that read like one of his

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Speaker 3: political speeches to everybody in Congress, and another version to

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Speaker 3: the Gang of Eight in secret in which intelligence information

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Speaker 3: was apparently revealed. We don't know the Gang of Eight

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Speaker 3: is the Congress within the Congress, but because they are

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Speaker 3: sworn to secrecy. They can't share with other members of Congress,

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Speaker 3: with their constituents, with the press what they learned. So,

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Speaker 3: pardon my language. What the hell kind of a democracy

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Speaker 3: or a democratic republic is this right? When the executive

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Speaker 3: branch can tell a secret to eight members of the

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Speaker 3: legislative branch who represent us and we don't know what

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Speaker 3: they were told.

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Speaker 1: So to the extent there was any deliberative process, it

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Speaker 1: was basically between nine people, the President and the Gang

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Speaker 1: of Eight. Interesting, right, all right? But moving over to

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Speaker 1: the War Powers Act and the language within there, because

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at it. Sixty days after congressional

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Speaker 1: notification so that he can cent troops in he launches

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Speaker 1: his war, he's got to give notification to Congress, and

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Speaker 1: then this clock starts ticking sixty days and during which

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Speaker 1: time Congress can maybe either declare war or issue an

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Speaker 1: authorization for use of military force? Which what is that

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Speaker 1: a mini a war? That's not a war? I was

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Speaker 1: kind of just like, if we're fighting, we're fired.

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Speaker 3: Well, the dangers of an authorization for the use of

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Speaker 3: military force is and this is a creation of the

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Speaker 3: Bush administration. This is not coognizable under the Constitution. It's

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Speaker 3: open ended. I mean, when Donald Trump assassinated General Soleimani

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Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, he used as his legal authority the

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Speaker 3: Authorization for Use of Military Force in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 3: which of course had nothing whatsoever to do with attacking

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Speaker 3: in Iranian general. So these authorizations are open ended. A

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Speaker 3: declaration of war, on the other hand, ends when the

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Speaker 3: country on whom they've declared war surrenders. So the declarations

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Speaker 3: of war that were issued by the Congress actually a

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Speaker 3: statute and signed by FDR in December eighth, nineteen forty one,

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Speaker 3: ended when Italy and Germany and Japan surrendered. Presidents would

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Speaker 3: like the authorization for use of military force because it's

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Speaker 3: open ended and they can use it wherever, whenever, and

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Speaker 3: however they want. It's profoundly unconstitutional.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know it's interesting, He's give me an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to congratulate. Congressman Warren Davidson, who on this program

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Speaker 1: last week, said he is opposed to this absence of

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Speaker 1: congressional involvement. He pointed out and he said, listen back

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Speaker 1: to the start with the war in Iraq he served,

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Speaker 1: which I opposed personally, but the country decided to go

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Speaker 1: to Well, there was a vote. Congress authorized it, but

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Speaker 1: it was supposed to be a limited war with a

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Speaker 1: limited objective to get the weapons of mass destruction, and

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Speaker 1: then noted the expansion of what you suggested. Listen, once

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Speaker 1: you've gotten AUMF they use it for pretty much anything.

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Speaker 1: They're not worded tightly enough, and there just uses it.

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Speaker 1: I understand that. But wise, if Congress votes Thursday and

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Speaker 1: they vote in favor of some authorization use the military

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Speaker 1: force or to pull the troops out completely, Trump can

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Speaker 1: veto that, as I understand it.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's very interesting. The War Power is resolution.

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Speaker 3: It's actually a law, but it calls itself a resolution,

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Speaker 3: so I'm not miss speaking here. It's odd to do that.

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Speaker 3: The War Powers Resolution, which was enacted over President Nixon's veto,

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Speaker 3: intimates that it's a legislative veto, meaning that the president

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Speaker 3: can't veto it. Now, the Supreme Court has ruled in

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Speaker 3: other connections that there is nothing that the Congress does

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Speaker 3: that the president can't veto, except for impeachment. So I

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Speaker 3: think the president can veto it. It would be very

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Speaker 3: telling if I'm of both houses say stop the war

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Speaker 3: and he vetoes it. The war right now enjoys a

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Speaker 3: twenty six percent approval rating and a fifty six percent

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Speaker 3: disapproval rating. Those numbers would change a little bit against

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Speaker 3: the president if he were to veto this, but we'd

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Speaker 3: be in Virgin territory because since nineteen seventy three, the

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Speaker 3: Congress has never used the War Powers Resolution to stop

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Speaker 3: a president from fighting a war, so there's never been

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Speaker 3: an opportunity for a president to veto it. Now, you

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Speaker 3: mentioned this congressman that was on with you. I assume

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Speaker 3: he's a Republican. He is, okay, So it only takes

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Speaker 3: two Republicans and we know who the other one is

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Speaker 3: to join the Democrats, and you have a majority in

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Speaker 3: the House saying stop the war. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: will happen in the Senate, and again I don't know

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Speaker 3: what will happen.

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Speaker 7: In the courts.

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Speaker 1: Question number two. According to the War Powers Resolution, you

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Speaker 1: got to terminate the conflict absent some action by Congress

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Speaker 1: to authorize the use of force along some limited way

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Speaker 1: with an AOMF or declaring war. If that does not happen,

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Speaker 1: you got a sixty day clock ticking with a potential

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Speaker 1: thirty day extension to get them out of wherever they are.

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Speaker 1: That seems to me be the end of the road there.

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Speaker 1: At that point, that would.

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Speaker 3: Be the end of the road, except that this president

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Speaker 3: is not faithful to the Constitution or to federal statutes.

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Speaker 3: We know he doesn't believe in international law because he's

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Speaker 3: told us that, and his behavior manifests a consistency with it.

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Speaker 3: So again, I don't know how this is going to result.

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Speaker 3: The courts are loath to get involved in a matter

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Speaker 3: involving war or foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, leading me to my next question, which it sounds

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Speaker 1: like you anticipated. Assuming Trump goes rogue the sixty day

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Speaker 1: clock tick, Let's say he gets his thirty day extension

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Speaker 1: because I needed to keep troops out of harm's way

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Speaker 1: and to get them out of there. That's ninety days total.

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Speaker 1: If he ignores all that and continues to engage and

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Speaker 1: commit our troops to this region, is there any recourse?

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Speaker 1: I guess that would be impeachment, wouldn't it be?

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Speaker 3: I guess it would be a Republican house. It would

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Speaker 3: be the Democrats plus a few Republicans at peaching him,

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Speaker 3: which would be extraordinary for that to happen. When the

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Speaker 3: president's party controls both houses of Congress. I think he's

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Speaker 3: created a mess for himself, and I think he's done

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Speaker 3: so because of his antipathy to the Constitution. Look, you

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Speaker 3: heard the State of the Union address. The Democrats sat

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Speaker 3: in their hands, except for once when he condemned heran.

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Speaker 3: The Democrats, led by Elizabeth Warren, Senator from Massachusetts, probably

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Speaker 3: the most or second most left wing member of the Senate,

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Speaker 3: stood up and cheered. All he had to do was

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Speaker 3: ask for an authorization in his military force or asked

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Speaker 3: for a declaration of fork, and his legal problems are over,

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Speaker 3: not his moral problems, but his legal problems. But because

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Speaker 3: he is so has such antipathy and indifference to the

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Speaker 3: other two branches of the government, he didn't do so

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Speaker 3: fair enough.

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Speaker 1: But you know, to appease my listeners, I think we

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Speaker 1: can go backwards in time to all of the other

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Speaker 1: military engagements, let me call them wars, like the Vietnam War,

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Speaker 1: the Korean War, and all the other wars have been

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Speaker 1: wages in spite of the fact that nobody bothered to

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Speaker 1: get a declaration of war or even back then some

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Speaker 1: kind of approval from Congress. Except final point, the power

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Speaker 1: of the purse. Congress can at any time defund it.

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Speaker 3: Well, that would take a two thirds majority, because that

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Speaker 3: he could veto. But the answer is yes. If he

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Speaker 3: became enormously unpopular, if the perception in the land was

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Speaker 3: that he was a madman and a totalitarian, and two

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Speaker 3: thirds of the Congress wanted to defund it, they could

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Speaker 3: turn the lights out in the White House. Thirds of

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Speaker 3: the Congress can do anything except amend the constitution that

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Speaker 3: takes three quarters of the states.

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Speaker 1: Three quarters of the states. Well, you know there is

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Speaker 1: a constitution. We get you to remind us every week. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's right there. It exists, It's real, and we need

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Speaker 1: to pay more attention to it. So Judge Anapoulton, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: It's always great being able to engage in these kinds.

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Speaker 3: Now, these are fabulous conversations. Brian. Again, I'm stirring the pot.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing so with a little bit of passion because

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Speaker 3: I'm devoted to this thing. That's the supreme law of

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Speaker 3: the land.

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Speaker 1: I know you are. I appreciate you for it. It's

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Speaker 1: the reality that we're talking about, Judge Napolatan. And we'll

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Speaker 1: do this again next week. Every week at eight thirty

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Speaker 1: on the fifty five krs A morning show Judging Freedom

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Speaker 1: Real Quick, your honor, Who are you talking to today?

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Speaker 3: Oh? In an hour, I have a professor Mohammed Mirandi

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Speaker 3: born in Arlington, Virginia, now a professor at the University

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Speaker 3: of Tehran, live from the basement of his home in

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Speaker 3: Tehran at noon Colonel Douglas McGregor.

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Speaker 1: McGregor, well, check for Judging Freedom. Wherever you find your

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Speaker 1: podcast will be on next week. You're on, and have

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Speaker 1: a great week between now and then. Certain thanks again.