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Speaker 2: But anyway, Bernie Moreno, our own Bernie Moreno, has proposed

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Speaker 2: the Exclusive Citizenship Act of twenty twenty five, and it

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Scott, Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. So let's just jump in. Let

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Speaker 2: So here's what we had to do. Correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, if I miss anything here too, It'd be

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Speaker 2: through marriage or dissent or naturalization, that's what's in play here.

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Speaker 2: Did I miss anything important? Those all the facets of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a good question why this is allegedly

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Speaker 2: And I would think that that sediment you just so

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Speaker 3: But this is just a bill. But yeah, it's scaring

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Speaker 2: by then you kind of know what your limits of

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Speaker 2: alcohol intake hour, and you know it's like it's so

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Speaker 2: miserable being sick from drinking that much that you don't

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Speaker 2: want to go through it again. By thirty five, you

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Speaker 2: should know better. I also point out that a lot

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Speaker 2: of these laws when it comes to being overserved, tend

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Speaker 2: to deal more with drunk driving, right because you know

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Speaker 2: you're drinking dry you getting a car you dry? Do

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Speaker 2: you really have that problem in the high seas? I

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Speaker 2: mean you drink so much that you can't possibly find

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Speaker 2: your room on a cruise ship, which I have. My

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Speaker 2: first cruise was last year, and it was pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Actually I liked it. I was never a big fan

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Speaker 2: of it because while guys like this and you know,

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Speaker 2: floating peatradishes and everything else, I'm like, yeah, I'm good,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, I did one. It was a virgin cruise.

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Speaker 2: It was really really good. It was impressive for my

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Speaker 2: brother's birthday. So it was his decision. I blame him.

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Speaker 2: But it was a good time and open bar the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. But you know, it's like, hey, I'm pretty drunk.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go lay down, or I'm like

452
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Speaker 2: maybe I'll stop some water right now, get some food,

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Speaker 2: and then go ninety nine and then do it all

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Speaker 2: over again tomorrow. But most people, that's what vacation is.

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Speaker 2: You get a guy like this, it's just gonna screw

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Speaker 2: it up for that. For everyone else. So what are

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Speaker 2: you gonna get rid the unlimited drink packages now because

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Speaker 2: of this guy? Of course you are. It's like, it's

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Speaker 2: just it's you know, you get one guy that can't

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Speaker 2: handle his business and it's everyone else's problem. Look, I

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Speaker 2: get the fact. Okay, can you serve this guy and

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Speaker 2: have him drinking? No kalma, I suppose you could, but

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this one for me. It feels

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Speaker 2: like the liability is one hundred percent on the guy

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Speaker 2: who drank. It's like then they weren't spiking his cocktails,

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Speaker 2: you know how much else At thirty you can see

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Speaker 2: you make a case if you know the kid's underage,

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Speaker 2: or hey you're only twenty one something along those lines, eh,

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Speaker 2: but past time you're thirty five. Like I look at that, going, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're grown ass man. You gotta know better,

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Speaker 2: you gotta know what your limits are. But you're gonna

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Speaker 2: drink that much on a cruise ship because you bought

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Speaker 2: the package and you're gonna show them who's bass. Probably

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Speaker 2: didn't say anything with a buffet, but the buffet doesn't

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Speaker 2: usually kill people, although maybe I don't know. In the future,

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Speaker 2: if you're a big fan of buffets and the like

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Speaker 2: and all you can eat scenarios, and let's say you

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Speaker 2: do a lot of it. I don't know. Is there

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Speaker 2: a precedent set here by this case that you could

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Speaker 2: then go back and go, hey, listen, you know all

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Speaker 2: those years that I was on a first name basis

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Speaker 2: with the servers and the bus boys at the buffet, Well,

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Speaker 2: I have congestive heart failure. In ours, there's although eating

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Speaker 2: as much as I possibly could. So you know that's

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Speaker 2: not my fault. Now, that's the buffet's fault. Whoever's making

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Speaker 2: the foot I mean, or that just one step away

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Speaker 2: from a lawsuit like that, in my opinion, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I like to be empathetic with people, and especially in

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Speaker 2: tragedies like this. I gotta be honest with this. One's

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Speaker 2: impossible for me. Like at a bar, when you go

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Speaker 2: out it's drinking and driving. I get that there's a responsibility

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Speaker 2: and part of the server to make sure you're not overserved,

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Speaker 2: In this case, you overserve someone, you're just gonna kill yourself.

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Speaker 2: So maybe some Darwin going on there as well. I

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Speaker 7: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: I love that on seven hundreds WLW immigration fights that

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Speaker 2: that long line gets in? Who stays? Maybe a better

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Speaker 2: question of who is rather than maybe how many? And

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Speaker 2: should the US admit them through reform and immigration system?

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Speaker 2: Who should get in? At this point? Also adding to this,

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Speaker 2: today we have Bernie Moreno or own Bernie Morener from Ohio,

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Speaker 2: his proposals to end dual citizenship. You got to pick

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Speaker 2: one or the other. You can't have both. So the

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Speaker 2: Manhattan Institute their think tank, and they studied a ten

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Speaker 2: and thirty year impacts of dozens of our nation's immigration

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Speaker 2: policies over the years and categorize immigrants on tax revenue

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Speaker 2: Federal spending GDP, population, who gives us a benefit? In

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Speaker 2: who takes away? With the answers Daniel de Martino of

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Speaker 2: the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel, welcome

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Speaker 2: to show. How are you very good?

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Speaker 8: Thank you for having me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you find that if you're younger and you're educated,

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Speaker 2: you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses.

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Speaker 2: They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend

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Speaker 2: to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That

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Speaker 2: is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're

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Speaker 2: going to get into here, but essentially that's the core

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Speaker 2: of this thing. Is that's really that surprising.

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Speaker 8: Is it?

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Speaker 7: It is not because we have a progressive tax system

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Speaker 7: and we have a welfare system that gives benefits to

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Speaker 7: people based on how little they make.

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Speaker 8: Right, So if you bring in a lot of.

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Speaker 7: Four people or elderly people that will receive entitlements, then

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Speaker 7: those people will be ennect cost to the federal government.

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Speaker 8: That's a no brainer.

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Speaker 2: So why does the college you're going to make such

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Speaker 2: a vast efforence You're talking millions of dollars in that

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Speaker 2: one person's financial impact, and of course the lodge. What's

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Speaker 2: driving that gap?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of people tell me, but you know,

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Speaker 7: a college degree is and all you need, and like,

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Speaker 7: of course these are all averages. This doesn't mean that

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Speaker 7: there are aren't immigrants or high.

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Speaker 8: School dropouts that do better.

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Speaker 7: Right there are many college dropouts that create a big company,

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Speaker 7: but that doesn't mean that that's the most.

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Speaker 8: Common case, right.

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Speaker 7: And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college

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Speaker 7: degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A

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Speaker 7: college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer

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Speaker 7: thing to have than in America. And so when you

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Speaker 7: bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else,

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Speaker 7: you can assure yourself that that person.

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Speaker 8: Comes from a much more eld background.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, we have countless

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Speaker 2: people who have college degrees that complain they can't find

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Speaker 2: a job in their chosen field and they have a

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Speaker 2: degree and go, okay, great, I can't service the loan

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Speaker 2: that I took out to get that degree, and I'm

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Speaker 2: doing something I don't want to do, and I never

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Speaker 2: see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this

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Speaker 2: country and succeed and contribute to the GDP. Is it

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Speaker 2: about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees here

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Speaker 2: and not just a degree?

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Speaker 7: Well, it's true that immigrants do, you specialize, like the

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Speaker 7: immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are

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Speaker 7: even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And

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Speaker 7: also they just have an even.

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Speaker 8: Higher education and go to different universities.

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Speaker 7: Right, So you know, people talk about like people who

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Speaker 7: graduate from the US University's Americans who get an a

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Speaker 7: STEM degree, but it's an underground degree, you know, that

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Speaker 7: counts biology, that counts like a regular engineering degree. And

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Speaker 7: if you're competing against people who have a master's degree

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Speaker 7: or a PhD, I mean, obviously you can't get the

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Speaker 7: job that you want. And then you also have the

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Speaker 7: other fact, which is inmigrant start businesses, so they expand

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Speaker 7: the economy that way, the average immigrant does not look

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Speaker 7: like the average person in that country. And then there's

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Speaker 7: a lot of people who tell me, well, they but

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Speaker 7: we want to keep those jobs for Americans, right, like

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Speaker 7: we don't want them to replace the native born college

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Speaker 7: graduates who are seeking opportunities. And that's just not how

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Speaker 7: the labor market works. When you have more people in

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Speaker 7: the labor market, you don't have the same number of jobs.

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Speaker 7: There are relative wage effects, that is true, but because

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Speaker 7: immigrants also you know, at the highly educated level, you know,

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Speaker 7: people like you look Musk who came on a twenty

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Speaker 7: visis or people like Jensen Huang, they end up also

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Speaker 7: increasing productivity and wages for people who are college educated.

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Speaker 2: Dan, you found it. The fifty year old immigrant looks

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Speaker 2: great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant

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Speaker 2: by the time they say, okay, thanks for great to productive,

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Speaker 2: but by year thirty it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite.

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Speaker 2: It tends to be a net gain for this country.

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Speaker 2: So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like

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Speaker 2: doc and can you walk? Can you walk through us?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 2: Why that that flip happens?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I did these estimates on a ten and

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Speaker 7: thirty year basis before I have done them last year

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Speaker 7: on a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to

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Speaker 7: ten in thirty years is because of Congress. When they

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Speaker 7: pass legislation, the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the

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Speaker 7: ten year budget window and then secondarily.

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Speaker 8: About the thirty year budget window.

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Speaker 7: So when they're deciding to park legislation.

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Speaker 8: They need this estimates like I made it.

650
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Speaker 7: And so that's a problem though, because you're right, a

651
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 7: fifty year old immigrant on an average will look good

652
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 7: over the next ten years, because it's going to be

653
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Speaker 7: from the age of fifty to age of sixty. And

654
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Speaker 7: I'm an immigrant who is ten years old. A child

655
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Speaker 7: that comes with a family is going to look bad

656
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 7: because it's not when I work from age ten to twenty.

657
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 7: So that shifts over the third year window because then

658
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 7: the older immigrant is going to collect security and Medicare

659
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 7: and the young emion.

660
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Speaker 8: Is going to start working.

661
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Speaker 7: So people need to keep that in mind and understand

662
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Speaker 7: these are averages and if you want to benefit the

663
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Speaker 7: budget in the long run, you need younger people and

664
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Speaker 7: you need more educated people.

665
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Speaker 2: To Danield Martina Manhattan Institute breaking a study here of

666
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Speaker 2: ten and thirty year impacts of immigration, and the bottom

667
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Speaker 2: line is that education drives cyscal impact, but age matters

668
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: a lot too, that young immigrants look costly in the

669
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Speaker 2: short term but benefits in the long term. Middle aged

670
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: immigrants show the opposite because they get the retirement benefits,

671
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Speaker 2: and that the flip that's going on here. Let me

672
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Speaker 2: pivot to the H one visa debate that has become

673
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: pretty controversial right with wanting to charge money and charging

674
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: literally a small fortune to get that H one B.

675
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 2: Some say it's essential or they say, well, we should

676
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: just eliminate this thing. What is your data show?

677
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 7: Well, the H one B, regardless of what people think,

678
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 7: they based on the characteristics of the people who come

679
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 7: on H one ds, they are the ones that pay

680
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 7: the most taxes and receive the least government benefits of

681
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 7: any desa category. And so if you are a conservative

682
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 7: and you're like like myself and think, you know, what

683
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 7: kind of immigrant do you want to come to America?

684
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 7: Do you want an immigrant who does not depend on

685
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 7: the government, who speaks English, who have a job, who

686
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 7: there's not coming crimes, and who you know, adopts American customs.

687
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 7: And if that's the case, then immigrants to come on

688
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 7: H one visas are an imedial immigrant. That doesn't mean

689
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Speaker 7: that it's a perfect system.

690
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Speaker 8: Right, it's a lottery.

691
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Speaker 7: So you don't want to distribute the spot on a

692
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 7: lottery but instead based on perhaps something more meritorious. But

693
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 7: even then the system is better than any other visa

694
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Speaker 7: problem that we have.

695
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see a lot of communities are changing because

696
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous

697
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: amount of money to the show. Now the other side

698
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: of this, and someone casual listening go, Okay, you got

699
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: this guy from Manhattan and Daniel de Martino who wants

700
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: educated people with advanced degrees because they bring a small

701
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: fortune and massive fortune and even small fortune to the country,

702
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: could help balance the deficit and do all these wonderful things.

703
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: They don't drain the system, and they're paying the taxes,

704
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: and that's helping older people. And that's all well and good.

705
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: But does this simply mean that we don't need anyone

706
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: who's not educated in America, We don't need that immigrant labor,

707
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 2: that we don't need people at the low end of

708
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: the trump.

709
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Speaker 7: Well, America has a program called the H two A

710
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 7: and the H two V VISA programs. The H two

711
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 7: A is seasonal agricultural labor. Now, even though those are

712
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 7: on you know people who generally don't have a high

713
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 7: school diploma that are working in farms for low wages.

714
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Speaker 7: The reality is that we didn't have them, the farms

715
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 7: would shut down. It would be too expensive to farm

716
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 7: in America. We would just import the food from other countries.

717
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 7: But we cannot import everything like we cannot import a

718
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 7: hair card because you have to do it in person.

719
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:25,760
Speaker 7: But we can import every agricultural product. So the advantage

720
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 7: is that, yes, you keep that industry here, you create

721
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 7: jobs for Americans and agriculture as well.

722
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Speaker 8: And then the second it's seasonal. So these immigrants never stay.

723
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Speaker 7: They leave after a season or two, and so they

724
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 7: never collect government benefits. That is okay to have. What

725
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 7: you cannot have is allowing people who make very little

726
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 7: money to immigrate permanently to the United States, because if

727
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 7: they do, the math is that they will simply grower debt.

728
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Speaker 2: Well, I get the agriculture element, because that's a national

729
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: security issue. We can't farm out all of our food.

730
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Speaker 2: We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly,

731
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread

732
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: basket here in the United States of America, produce a

733
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: lot of corn, soybeing et cetera, et cetera. But on

734
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Speaker 2: the regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm

735
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Speaker 2: fields whatsoever, that are Americans going to fill that void?

736
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Speaker 2: I mean working in a I don't know, a meat

737
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: processing plant, for example, or something along those lines, where

738
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: it's physical labor, building houses work, doing roof jobs and

739
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: construction and dry wall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs,

740
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Speaker 2: it seemingly, and I know a little bit about this

741
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: immigrant labor. If you completely got rid of that, it

742
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: ceased to exist. I get that they you know, they

743
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: live here, but they a lot of them go and

744
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: start their own business too. There's got to be a

745
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: carve out for that, right because let's face it, there

746
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: are jobs out there we don't want our kids to

747
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: take well.

748
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Speaker 7: So the thing is that we just would change, even

749
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 7: in agriculture would change if you didn't have immigrant workers,

750
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 7: then we just would increase. The problem is that for

751
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 7: them cultural industry, it would just end the industry, right

752
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 7: that we were just import the food. But that's not

753
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 7: the key and the same thing first for example tech,

754
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 7: if we didn't have highly educated workers, what the tech

755
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 7: industry has is that they opened in an office in

756
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 7: Canada and then they do everything from there because everything's remote.

757
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 8: So you would rather have those resources here.

758
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 7: But the issue with other things like construction is that

759
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 7: you would still have construction, it would just be at

760
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 7: a higher price that even then, most of the cost

761
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 7: of housing has nothing to do with construction and everything

762
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 7: to do with materials. So you know, the tiers are

763
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 7: harming or sony laws which we can change, so we

764
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 7: don't really need or it wouldn't really be beneficial to

765
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Speaker 7: have a lot of immigrants, low paid coming for construction

766
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 7: because they will receive with just a lot of welfare. Alternatively,

767
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 7: you could still have a guest worker program that is seasonal,

768
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 7: ensuring that people go back and never stay permanently and

769
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Speaker 7: collect entitlements.

770
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Speaker 2: Dani and De Martino the Manhattan Institute on Immigration this

771
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Speaker 2: morning on seven hundred WL do up. So we talked

772
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Speaker 2: about younger educated immigrants and advanced degrees a huge boondad economy.

773
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Speaker 2: We need more of them employment based high skilled visa

774
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: holders net benefit there as well. What about extended family.

775
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, the extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants

776
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 7: coming to America. They come with very little English proficiency,

777
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 7: you know, medium to low levels of education, and they

778
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 7: end up receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay.

779
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 7: This is why my proposal to how we should change

780
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 7: the imigration system is simply we take in all these

781
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 7: extended relative pieces and we just give them out based

782
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 7: on whether immigrants have a good English, whether they have

783
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 7: a good education, whether they're young, whether they.

784
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 8: Have a job offer in the United States.

785
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 7: And then that's how the labor market come through the gap,

786
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 7: you know, without picking winners and losers. And then the

787
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 7: employment based business that we already have who just ranking

788
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 7: them to the highest paid instead without care of the profession.

789
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Speaker 7: You know, it's not about education, it's about who pays

790
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Speaker 7: the most. If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like

791
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 7: incredible and he's getting paid one hundred and fifty k,

792
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 7: then bring in that carpenter, right, that's the market showing

793
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 7: its signal through the price.

794
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense that when the family comes along,

795
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: it's different. But how many immigrants will that dissuade from

796
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 2: coming to the United States if they can't bring their

797
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: their wife, their kids, significant others. What are your mom

798
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Speaker 2: or day.

799
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Speaker 7: I'm not saying anything about wife and children. I'm just

800
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 7: saying eliminate the sibling category, the adults children category, who

801
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 7: together they bring in one hundred and thirty one thousand people.

802
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 7: You might say, well then, but people want to bring

803
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 7: in their siblings or their adults children, the religion that

804
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 7: they can't anymore anyway because the system, the family system

805
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 7: already existing is so backlog that it takes twenty years.

806
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 7: It's the same of the didn't exist. We need to

807
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 7: get rid of it and give it based from marriage instead.

808
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 7: In fact, you seem it more fair because if you're

809
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 7: an imaiger living in State of Philippines and you don't

810
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 7: have a relative in the US.

811
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 8: When you're out of lack, you can't come.

812
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 7: And no matter how educated you that, no matter how

813
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 7: great you are, under a system based on your characteristics,

814
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 7: you are not dependent on the law of how in

815
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 7: a relative in America you come to a minuit and.

816
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Speaker 2: Am of that. You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog

817
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: which encourages illegal immigration here. I mean, if you have

818
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Speaker 2: to wait twenty years, fifteen twenty years for your case

819
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: of here and possibly get at that point, why wouldn't

820
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: you if you're coming from such an impoverished and most

821
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: dangerous part of the world, I take my chances and

822
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: slip across the border, fire them. It's a matter between

823
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: life and death. Who's got fifteen twenty years to wait

824
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: for you're allowed to come to the United States of America.

825
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: This would cut that down, I would it.

826
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Speaker 7: Yes, I think I would reduce the incentive. But at

827
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Speaker 7: the same time, we if I've learned that if the

828
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 7: president wants to, they can secure the border. And President

829
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Speaker 7: Tarump has also not necessarily as important.

830
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I mean,

831
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: we're not functioning right now as we speak. As you know, Danielle,

832
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: what's the political feasibility of this thing? You have to

833
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: do some tremendous coalition building just to have someone hear

834
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: this whole thing between family visa cuts and legalization with

835
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: fees and deportations and all that stuff. It's a messy proposition.

836
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: In reality, politics doesn't work that way.

837
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Speaker 7: So absolutely they're all saying President Trump with the funding

838
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 7: that he got from the one big beautiful bill for deportations,

839
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 7: and how that's drunk enough. And hopefully, you know, soon

840
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 7: we will know what the legality of the DACAP program

841
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 7: from the Supreme Courts. I think those two factors combine

842
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 7: the fact that we already get done with the tax

843
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 7: cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably

844
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 7: going to go to another topic. Then that topic might

845
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 7: be immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the

846
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 7: funding he got for the deportations. I mean, the Democrats

847
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 7: were smart, and it would come to the negotiating table,

848
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 7: right because you need sixty votes in the Senate to

849
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 7: pass anything.

850
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's not budget related.

851
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 7: So if the Democrats say, you know, we negotiate, we

852
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 7: can legalize some people. Yes, the school will reduce finally

853
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 7: immigration and we will bring in more high school immigrants.

854
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 8: But if they.

855
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 7: Don't negotiate, then maybe a million more people get deported.

856
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 7: So we will know how much they really care about

857
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Speaker 7: that very.

858
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Speaker 2: Soon, Dana da Martini. You analyze this. You looked at

859
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 2: ten and thirty year impacts of literally dozens of immigration

860
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: policy US has had and categorizing the immigrants on tax

861
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Speaker 2: revenue and population GDP, federal spending and all that. If

862
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: this were to come to fruition and we did it

863
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: the way you suggest here, what are we looking at

864
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Speaker 2: as far as a savings relative to the national debt?

865
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Speaker 7: Yeah, So under my plan, which would just shift immigrant

866
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Speaker 7: research towards more highly educated categories with a chaining the

867
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Speaker 7: immigrant flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit,

868
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Speaker 7: and then legalizing the people who are here legally as

869
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Speaker 7: long as they pay without wags to citizenship, but allowing

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Speaker 7: them to work in state as long as they pay

871
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Speaker 7: five thousand dollars a year for ten years of fifty

872
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Speaker 7: k to reduce the debt and they obviously they are

873
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Speaker 7: not criminals. All that that will reduce the national debt

874
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Speaker 7: from its current trajectory by twenty trillion dollars over thirty years,

875
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Speaker 7: it will reduce or essentially over the long run, it

876
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Speaker 7: would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important

877
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Speaker 7: because it means we don't to cut some security or

878
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Speaker 7: raise access. We pursue radical immigration reform right now.

879
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other element here too, of course is

880
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying, charging five thousand dollars

881
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: a year for X number of years and that would

882
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Speaker 2: reduce the debt and they're burden on the system. But

883
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: how realistic is that to actually.

884
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 7: Execute the people who don't pay it, Then they are

885
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 7: the fine targets for deportation because it means that they're

886
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 7: not willing to pay it under stealer of them.

887
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Speaker 8: So they're much easier to the.

888
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Speaker 2: Very interesting in that literally would take her. It's of course,

889
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: you know, then we're back to the political questions because

890
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have

891
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: much alriting and they can't afford five thousand dollars is

892
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: to shake down. But you know, at the end of

893
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Speaker 2: the day, we're all paying for this.

894
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Speaker 7: Danield Martin, Yeah, America is not supposed to be the welfare.

895
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Speaker 8: State of the world.

896
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Speaker 7: Right if you do not sustain yourself. I'm baibish after

897
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Speaker 7: you wrote the law. It seems like a really reasonable

898
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 7: penalty that would benefit the nation.

899
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't

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Speaker 2: that big an ass, I'll be honest with you. Daniel

901
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: Dee Martino at the Manhattan Institute, thanks so much for

902
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: the time. Really interesting. Thank you appreciate the time. Got

903
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Speaker 2: to pivot, get to news. We have bad weather moving in.

904
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Speaker 2: Give you the timeline and all the details in just seconds.

905
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Speaker 2: Here on seven hundred w welw. Scott flowed back on

906
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Speaker 2: seven hundred WW Thursday morning, got the weekend that ahead.

907
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Speaker 2: Ready to shovel some snow starting tonight and early tomorrow

908
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Speaker 2: morning and on. That is our resident eeer physician and

909
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: expert when it comes to health and food and everything

910
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Speaker 2: else at Sanja Schefercramani, Welcome, good to see you. I'm

911
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Speaker 2: glad we're doing this today, not tomorrow. You wouldn't be here,

912
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Speaker 2: would you.

913
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 10: No, I'd probably make it through, but I would be

914
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Speaker 10: here two hours from now.

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Speaker 2: Wait and yeah, happy to be here today, So good

916
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: to have you. I know there's a topic you want

917
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: again I think there's interesting new data out there about

918
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: how short bursts of physical activity are better for you

919
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: in the long run, because normally you know this time

920
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: of year and what I'm sure we'll get into this.

921
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: You know what to look for in a gym membership

922
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: and what you should be doing, and everyone has that,

923
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: seemingly seventy two hours at the very least, usually going Okay,

924
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Speaker 2: I got the new track suit, I got I got

925
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Speaker 2: a phone, holdster, I got towels, I got matching shoes,

926
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: I got a yoga man. Well, LFG, let's go, and

927
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: then by day three you're like, the hell with this,

928
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: it hurts too much, I'm out of here. It's exactly it.

929
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 10: There's actually a quitting day, I think, if I remember correctly,

930
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 10: it's like January nineteenth every year where the most number

931
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 10: of people drop off their new habits. And it's it's

932
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 10: just predictable because of that reason. Like you you get

933
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 10: really excited and then it just.

934
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Speaker 2: My overrider always was no matter. It's like it's, you know,

935
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: whatever the sport is, whatever the exercise is, like it

936
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Speaker 2: was always mouth Luther King Day, like MLKD. That's like

937
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: right around there is to break even point. Like if

938
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Speaker 2: you hang around after that, you're probably gonna be here

939
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: for a while. Yep. But you just see so many

940
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Speaker 2: people out the first couple of weeks. Just that's it

941
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: totally goes hard. Man, it sucks.

942
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 10: It is hard because you know, one it's changed too.

943
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 10: It's a it's a great time of the year because

944
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 10: it's a new start in new beginnings, and they've actually

945
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 10: done studies on that as far as like beginning of

946
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 10: a week, beginning of a month, that's when you want

947
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 10: to start a new habit, or the beginning of a

948
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Speaker 10: year as well.

949
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: It just it feels like a new berth for you.

950
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 10: But it is hard because it's changed ultimately, and our

951
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 10: bodies and our minds don't like change. So you know,

952
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 10: setting that up for success is the most important.

953
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: And it takes, by the way, how long to develop

954
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: for something to become a habit from a pattern to

955
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: become a habit? Yea, it depends who you read.

956
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 10: It's it's thirty days, ninety days, I mean, it all varies,

957
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 10: but at least a month, if not three, to really

958
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 10: make it a true habit is what I've what I've seen.

959
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm damn you're going on fifty years, so I'm

960
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: trying to get stuck distance have it well, Akind've been

961
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: trying to get it to change, and there's always tomorrow, Scott.

962
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: All right, So you hear about you know, the guidelines

963
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: for exercise, right, it's always been like I was, one

964
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty minutes a week, but that all depends

965
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: on your age too, and a whole bunch of other factors,

966
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: so it's never good just to take that one thing.

967
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's one hundred and fifty is like the golden

968
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 10: number that everyone quotes, but it's kind of all over

969
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 10: the place, and I'm sure that'll change in a year

970
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 10: or two, and you know, like every other recommendation changes

971
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 10: in health and wellness and everything. So but I mean

972
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 10: long and short is it is important and not just

973
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 10: a little bit here and there. But that's really where

974
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 10: it's kind of the study and these studies come from

975
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 10: as far as a little bit of activity, all.

976
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: Right, el'se talk about that that this is about short

977
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: bursts of activity, which means what so short bursts.

978
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 10: Can be anywhere between thirty seconds and you know, two

979
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 10: to four minutes, so a little bit at a time,

980
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 10: a few time times a day, and that's where the

981
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 10: studies are coming from. That's where you know, thinking about it.

982
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 10: I went on a hike last weekend. It was like

983
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 10: forty five degrees, which was lovely, and I could do

984
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 10: three and a half miles and it was totally comfortable.

985
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 10: But this weekend, you know what's coming. I mean, I

986
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 10: think I just saw negative one for a low.

987
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be cold, yes, bitterally cold. You're not

988
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: doing anthing outside.

989
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 10: You're not doing anything outside. So getting seven thousand steps,

990
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 10: you know it's not ten thousand anymore. You can do

991
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 10: seven thousand, seven thousand steps sick. That's like three and

992
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 10: a half miles, And so no, one's not many people

993
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 10: are going to be able to even do that, even

994
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 10: consider it, right, And so what's the alternate? I think

995
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 10: when I when I think about the seven thousand steps cold,

996
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 10: it seems intimidating. Three and a half miles walking a

997
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 10: day is a lot. So I think my brain subconsciously says, well,

998
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 10: I can't do three and a half. I won't do

999
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 10: any at all. And that's where this whole burst of

1000
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 10: exercise comes from.

1001
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: Gotcha. So its like, well, if you get you know,

1002
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 2: you're even sixty minutes of exercise. Let's say in a

1003
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: work way, you should you could break that up into

1004
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 2: ten minutes here, five minutes here, eight minutes there. There's

1005
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: some validity that the studies, there's some validity.

1006
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 10: And so the long and short is if you can

1007
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 10: get your you know, lifting exercise and these little short

1008
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 10: bursts burst on, that is the optimal. Okay, if you

1009
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 10: get nothing done, obviously, that's the complete other end of

1010
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 10: the spectrum. And in between is you know, are are

1011
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 10: the short bursts okay? Or is just the lifts okay?

1012
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 10: Which one's better for you? And that's kind of in debate.

1013
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 10: But the way I see it is if you're lifting

1014
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 10: three times a day, doing some sort of strength training

1015
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 10: on the other days, as long as you're staying active,

1016
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 10: and that's that's the real question of what what does

1017
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 10: that look like? And that's what we'll talk about too.

1018
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 10: If you can do that, that's the optimal thing. Get

1019
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 10: one hundred and fifty minutes maybe in at the gym

1020
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 10: if you can. But if you can or if you can't,

1021
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 10: do these movement things that can even help. And it's

1022
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 10: a little bit that that does a lot of difference. Yeah,

1023
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 10: So like what, for example, would that be. Is it

1024
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 10: just like every day life walking up the stairs instead

1025
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 10: of the elevator, that kind of stuff. It can be,

1026
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 10: so you can you can do steps alone. What they're

1027
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 10: saying again, this is like thirty seconds to two minutes,

1028
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 10: So it's not a it's not a huge amount of time.

1029
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 10: It's not a tremendous amount of effort. And either a

1030
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 10: lot of people can do this. So you really want

1031
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 10: to get your heart rate up to like eighty percent

1032
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 10: of your maximal So yeah, you're talking about maybe like

1033
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 10: one thirty to one fifty beats per minute, and you're

1034
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 10: going to be actually healthier for it.

1035
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: So what does that look like?

1036
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 10: Thirty seconds to two minutes of push ups and you

1037
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 10: don't have to go all the all the way to

1038
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 10: the grounds.

1039
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have trouble with push ups, but.

1040
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 10: You can just lean up against a wall and push

1041
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 10: yourself back with your knees down or whatever, or put

1042
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 10: your knees down, or you know, lean up against the

1043
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 10: counter and just push yourself up from there from a

1044
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 10: diagonal ten to twenty of those in your golden you're

1045
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 10: good if you do a chair, a wall sit for example.

1046
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 10: So just like, act like there's a seat below you,

1047
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 10: but there's not. Lean your back up against the wall.

1048
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: Hold that.

1049
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 10: I mean that every second. It feels like a minute

1050
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 10: when you do that. But if you do, you know,

1051
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 10: fifteen to twenty seconds of that, that's also good again

1052
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 10: a few times a day and it adds up. And

1053
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 10: then you know, another thing you could do is just

1054
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 10: air squats, so you know, acting like there's a chair

1055
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 10: below you, you know, squatting down, standing up and doing

1056
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 10: that fifteen twenty times in a row or to two

1057
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 10: sets of ten real quick.

1058
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: That'll get the job done. As far as these studies go,

1059
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: you don't need a gym and a trainer and everything else.

1060
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: You could just do this as you see fit for

1061
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: this stuff.

1062
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 10: So they've given it a cute name, which is exercise snacking,

1063
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 10: which I fully approve of, okay, because I like snacking,

1064
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 10: and this is just the healthier version of it, I guess.

1065
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 10: But it's it's also known as VILPA, which is, let

1066
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 10: me see if I can get it right, vigorous intermittent

1067
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 10: lifestyle Physical electivity.

1068
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: Lord. Yeah, so we'll just call it exercise snacking as is.

1069
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 2: It sort of like the low level hit training basically

1070
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: high intent.

1071
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 10: That's exactly a perfect way to put stuff. Yeah, it's

1072
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 10: like low level hit. But the studies are actually pretty

1073
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 10: remarkable as far as the benefits of it. Long and

1074
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 10: short is, they did a study and it was it

1075
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 10: wasn't a small study, but it was in the UK

1076
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 10: twenty two thousand people and what they found was over

1077
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 10: an eight year time span, basically a fifty percent reduction immortality.

1078
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Speaker 10: And so you know, half of people that did this,

1079
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 10: or if you did this work versus people that were

1080
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 10: completely sedentary didn't move at all, fifty percent chance less

1081
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 10: of dying, so half you cut your rate of by half.

1082
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 10: And that also goes for major cardiac events so like

1083
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 10: heart attack, strokes, and that all goes together because of

1084
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 10: the benefits you see from this kind of really quick stuff. Again,

1085
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 10: just a few minutes a day makes a huge difference,

1086
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 10: especially if you're completely sedentary. Usually if you have a

1087
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 10: desk job nine to five, you're too tired at the

1088
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 10: end of the day and you don't do much. This

1089
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 10: is who it benefits the most, but it benefits everybody.

1090
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 2: And I think there's like a lot of conflicting knowledge. Again.

1091
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: Sanjay Shev Cremani in the show is a resident emergency

1092
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: room doctor. But also we're talking health and fitness on

1093
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: the show on Thursday mornings at this time. In this regard,

1094
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: you look at it going, all right, is it getting

1095
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: the heart rate up? Because you know, if you're doing

1096
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: resistance training, which you know, lifting whatever, you're generally not

1097
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: getting your heart rate up all that much. Does that

1098
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: all count the same?

1099
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 10: So it works a little bit differently, and so you

1100
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 10: know it's muscles versus the rest of your body. So

1101
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 10: lifting will work the muscles, but you know your heart

1102
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 10: as well. But the way I like to think of

1103
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 10: it as strength training helps you live better and then

1104
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 10: cardiac cardio training helps you live longer. That's an overly

1105
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 10: simplistic way to put it and makes sense. You know,

1106
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 10: there's a lot of overlap, but together their best. But

1107
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 10: if you can choose one, you know you can you

1108
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 10: can do that. The long and short is is that

1109
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 10: this is important. It's important to move around in addition

1110
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 10: to your strength training. We always talk about movement is medicine,

1111
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 10: but it's actually come across in the papers and so

1112
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 10: the way they think this works and the current thought

1113
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,439
Speaker 10: is threefold. So what are the three main things cause

1114
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 10: heart attacks, high blood pressure, highcholesterol, diabetes, and so doing

1115
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 10: this kind of activity, short bursts at a time helps

1116
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 10: all three.

1117
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Well, so does the medicine that we have for that.

1118
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: So I need to do any of this or just

1119
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 2: take more meds.

1120
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 10: That is a personal decision, son, I personally like, if

1121
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 10: I don't have to take medicine, I'd love to not

1122
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 10: take medicine. They have their time and their place. But

1123
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 10: if we can do stuff that can save us both

1124
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 10: money and putting medications into our body that we may

1125
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 10: not need, the better as far as I'm concerned.

1126
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, tervis, satin's and eminem's go well and well together

1127
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: just makes a mess. Yeah, just don't get at It's

1128
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: fine now. Yeah, it is this kind of like the

1129
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: term is called functional training, which is maybe not a

1130
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: new thing, but basically, you know some of the moves

1131
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: that guys make in a gym. You look atky am,

1132
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: I really gonna need to, you know, flex my ear

1133
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: lobes for example, when in fact, you know, I just

1134
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: don't want to hurt myself putting this box on top

1135
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 2: of a high shelf and then be out of commission

1136
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: for a few you know what I'm talking about exactly.

1137
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 10: It's very much a why thing, like why am I

1138
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 10: doing this? Which is important to us at our gym

1139
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 10: as far as making sure you're doing the things that

1140
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 10: help you, you know, create a life that you love.

1141
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 10: And so what are the things that you'd love to

1142
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 10: do thirty years from now? It's hard for our brains

1143
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 10: to think about that. We like to think about the

1144
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 10: here and now, if not the yesterday, but thinking about

1145
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 10: where we want to be, whether it be for our kids,

1146
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 10: our grandkids, or our family when we grow up. You know,

1147
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 10: what kind of lifestyle do you want to live right now?

1148
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 10: You know, it was just three days ago I was

1149
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 10: stretching my arms above my head and all of a sudden,

1150
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 10: I tweaked my back like I literally just existing. I

1151
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 10: hurt myself, which unfortunate, but I think that actually kind

1152
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 10: of plays into that sedentary stuff. I've been not so

1153
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 10: mobile in the last couple of weeks, and that you know,

1154
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 10: it happens to everybody, it happens to me.

1155
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fairly, I think.

1156
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 10: And still even then we can hurt ourselves, so it's

1157
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 10: best to keep it mobile again, even if it's just

1158
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 10: a little a little amount per day.

1159
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 2: Why does it hurts the older you get, the longer

1160
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: it takes to recover. It's the same thing, right, It's like,

1161
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: for example, a couple of weeks ago, I put my

1162
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: wife had knee surgery, so I'm like, wow, I put

1163
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: the chair hike toilets and I bought some nice one

1164
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: piece toilets. I'm like, and okay, this is you know,

1165
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 2: for the old age, and put them in our house

1166
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: and I put intil three and my back was killing

1167
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: me for a week. I could turn my head. I'm like,

1168
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: what the hell? I do this all the time, and

1169
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now just like the way to

1170
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: picking those up and do it myself is you know,

1171
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: you recover usually pretty quickly, and now you can't do

1172
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 2: that at all.

1173
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, our bodies are really forgiving when we're twenty and thirty,

1174
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 10: both when it comes to eating and exercise, and once

1175
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 10: we hit you know, the thirties, that things just take

1176
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 10: longer to recover.

1177
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: It's just the way the.

1178
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 10: Cells work is the way all the partis exactly. It's

1179
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 10: it's all working differently, and we didn't have to live

1180
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 10: this long back in the day, like when we were cavemen.

1181
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 10: You know, our purpose was to live to probably twenty

1182
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 10: five and thirty, and then you know now that we're

1183
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 10: living triple that things will break down.

1184
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: Because you're an old man for it. You're an old man.

1185
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 2: It's probably dead by thirty. Is like old age in

1186
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: the back in the day. I get Fortunately, I'm only

1187
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 2: twenty three. Yeah, I wish right, which is like when

1188
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: you see a toddler throw a hissy fit and roll

1189
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: and contort their body on the ground and put their

1190
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: head behind their knee cap. You're like, oh my god,

1191
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna tear your a cl Now you're not. No,

1192
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: they're made of rubber. Yeah, you're made of rubber. At

1193
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 2: that fast, all right, So get your exercise in again.

1194
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: You can do it in a short bursts throughout the day.

1195
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 2: It's probably the best way to do it, like eating right,

1196
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: if you have small meals throughout the day. This is

1197
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: exercise snacking.

1198
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 10: It's what small amounts, don't you know? You don't have

1199
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 10: to overdo it so you don't have to go to

1200
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 10: it like a pain level. And then the last part

1201
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 10: is that the really cool part about this stuff, the

1202
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 10: VILPA or exercise snacking, is they found that there was

1203
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 10: an eighty percent adherence for people that did this as

1204
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 10: opposed to any other training regiment. Right, like you just

1205
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 10: said it was work New Year's stuff, it all falls off.

1206
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 10: I think there's only like fifteen percentage here comes to

1207
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 10: New Year's resolutions eighty percent because it's it's doable, I

1208
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 10: would I would recommend, though, if you're gonna do something,

1209
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 10: tie it into something you're already doing. If you're like

1210
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 10: you mentioned the stairs, Uh, go up the stairs a

1211
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 10: little foster, got that heart rate up. If you're you know,

1212
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 10: going to the fridge for a snack, for example, that's

1213
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 10: the time. Maybe say I'll do twenty counter push ups

1214
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 10: right now, you know, just get those in every couple

1215
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 10: hours if you're if you're at work or at the

1216
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 10: end of a meeting, just do ten quick air squads.

1217
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: If you've every hour, going to go in the bathroom

1218
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 2: office would probably be better than the middle of the

1219
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: or just get the whole office a joint make it

1220
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: a group activity. That's that they've also found that Japanese

1221
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: workplace or something their calisthetics in the morning. He's son

1222
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: Jay Sheva Cramani's our ear doctor, also a health fitness

1223
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: We talk all on Thursday night I appreciate you, buddy. Thanks.

1224
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: You got to get news in the next seven hundred W.

1225
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 6: You want to be American, it's got a flung show

1226
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 6: on seven hundred w LW.

1227
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: Was Rodney Hiddon legally insane at the time he took

1228
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 2: this car in deliberately and intentionally plowed into Deputy Larry

1229
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: Henderson in front of you c killing him instantly in

1230
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: a reaction, of course, to his son Ryan getting shot

1231
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: and justifiably sold by Cincinnati police brandishing the firearm. Horrible

1232
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: story and probably one of the stories, no doubt, of

1233
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 2: the decade. And it's just a terrible thing. But yesterday

1234
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Speaker 2: in court, Rodney Hitton had a confidence hearing. He had

1235
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: a hearing yesterday and they had an expert testify for

1236
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: the defense here court appointed psychiatrist with their news experience,

1237
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: saying that he meets Ohio law requirements to take the

1238
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: death penalty off of consideration because he was diagnosed with

1239
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: bipolar order bipolar disorder rather two years ago and prescribed

1240
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: antipsychotic medication. Is that enough for him to escape what

1241
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 2: we consider the ultimate justice, and that is the death

1242
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: penal in Ohio for deliberately murdering Larry Henderson on the

1243
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: show once again is attorney Jason Phillibaum, former Commy prosecutor,

1244
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: now in private practice and defense. Jason, welcome back. How

1245
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: you doing, good morning? Doing well? Thank you. Yeah, it's

1246
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: a topic we're going to talk about a lot because

1247
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: we hear about NNGRI as you call it in the profession,

1248
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: not guilty for reason of insanity, And yesterday's hearing was

1249
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 2: just that it was kind of preliminary, right, So take

1250
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: us through what happened yesterday and you hear this information.

1251
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There you had an expert testify that

1252
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: he has a mental issue and he may go to

1253
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: prison the rest of his life, but he won't face

1254
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: the death penalty. That was just a very small sample

1255
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: of the experts that are going to testify. Correct.

1256
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Essentially, your question is about two weeks long when they

1258
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 11: trained the death penalty attorneys to get ready for a

1259
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 11: death penalty case. Because there's three stages of the case,

1260
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 11: and we're in stage one where the judge is trying

1261
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 11: to decide what's allowed the plea or is he going

1262
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 11: to trial things of that nature. So her first question

1263
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 11: in that first prong is is he competent? To stand trial.

1264
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 11: Does he know what's going on? Essentially, the second question

1265
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 11: is is the defense able to present a plea not

1266
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 11: guilty by reason of insanity? Is there enough information out

1267
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 11: there that will allow the defense to ask, you know,

1268
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 11: tell that to the jury. And the third question she's

1269
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 11: going to be answering before the trial starts. Is the

1270
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 11: state eligible to apply to death fun league. And so

1271
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 11: to get to your first question, is he confident? I

1272
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 11: think that she's going to find him confident, you know,

1273
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 11: just you know, the the allegation is he kind of

1274
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 11: lost his mind that day, but the overall allegation hasn't

1275
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 11: been he doesn't know what's going on. So I think

1276
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 11: at the end of the day she's going to find

1277
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 11: him confident. But then that leads to the second question

1278
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 11: is is the not guilty by reason of the sanity

1279
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 11: and to be allowed to be presented in front of

1280
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Speaker 11: the jury.

1281
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Speaker 2: And there are four mental illnesses that in Ohio can

1282
01:02:55,720 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: remove the death penalty eligibility statute, so schizophrenia, schitzo effective disorder,

1283
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: dilusional disorder, and bipolar disorder. So that is definitely a

1284
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: bonafid illness that would exempt him from the death penalty. However,

1285
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: he had a quarter pointed psychiatrist saying he met the requirements.

1286
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: As we pointed out, how much weight does a judge

1287
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: typically give to someone and I'm assuming that that person

1288
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: is neutral because it's court appointed. Correct.

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Speaker 11: Yes, Essentially, they do a quarter pointed psychologist to give

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Speaker 11: an analysis and then if one party doesn't like it,

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Speaker 11: they go get their own effort, and then typically the

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Speaker 11: other party will then go get another expert. And that's

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Speaker 11: what you had in this case. Now, what we didn't

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Speaker 11: see was the second prong of that question, because that's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be sort of a hearing that's set up

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Speaker 2: for January.

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Speaker 11: But is he eligible to face the death punty under

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Speaker 11: Hyle's new law that says, if you have one of

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Speaker 11: those four mental health issues, you may not be eligible

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Speaker 11: for the death pune. There is the second prong there,

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Speaker 11: and that says, is the ill them significantly impairing their

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 11: ability to conform to the law or essentially know the

1303
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 11: wrongfulness of their conduct. So, in other words, if you

1304
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 11: have bipolar disorder, that doesn't necessarily say you can't be

1305
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 11: put to.

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Speaker 2: Death for a crime.

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Speaker 11: You have to have bipolar disorder and it has to

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Speaker 11: be significant and it has to incur and so on.

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Speaker 11: So I think all she did yesterday and she specifically

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Speaker 11: said that all I'm talking about is Prong one. Yes,

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Speaker 11: I think he needs these, these the criteria for bipolar disorder.

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Speaker 11: She did not get into the Prong two yet, which

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Speaker 11: I think is going to be a January hearing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And you look at that and go, okay, well,

1315
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Speaker 2: how much is that documented medical history matter versus the

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Speaker 2: question whether he was in acute psychiatric crisis at the

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Speaker 2: moment he decided to kill Deputy Henderson.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think I personally think that should be

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Speaker 11: an issue left up to the jury, and I think

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Speaker 11: that's what you're going to see here. But so these

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Speaker 11: preliminary hearings are basically her the judge, saying, I'm going

1322
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 11: to allow the jury to hear and see this, and

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Speaker 11: I'm going to allow the jury to decide that. That's

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Speaker 11: all she's deciding right now. Then we get to a

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01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 11: trial and then they determine whether he's guilty or not

1326
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Speaker 11: guilty by reason of insanity. If he's not guilty by

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Speaker 11: reason of infanity, case is over. But if he's found guilty,

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Speaker 11: then they get to the death penalty phase, and at

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Speaker 11: that point, he's going to argue he's not eligible, and

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Speaker 11: the defense is going to argue that he has enough

1331
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Speaker 11: mitigating factors that it should be facing the death finely.

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Speaker 11: And so I think the biggest question she's going to

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Speaker 11: have to answer between now and the trial is is

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Speaker 11: she going to allow the jury to hear the death

1335
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Speaker 11: penalty argument? And will she allow the jury to consider that.

1336
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 11: I think that's going to be the biggest question mark

1337
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 11: between now and the trial.

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Speaker 2: How much more evidence will judge Lober's here to make

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01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 2: their mind up on that.

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Speaker 11: She's going to hear the psychologists from the States, and

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Speaker 11: then she's going to probably hear the third psychologists that's

1342
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Speaker 11: the defense personally hired as well, So she's going to

1343
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Speaker 11: hear from all three. But this sort of gets me

1344
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Speaker 11: to the example of NFL football. You know, you've seen

1345
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 11: you watch games on Sunday, there's a fumble, someone runs

1346
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Speaker 11: it back to the you know, end zone, and here

1347
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 11: it is the referee blew the whistle dead right, So

1348
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Speaker 11: they've been basically saying let it, let it play out,

1349
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 11: and then if if you're wrong about the fumble, instant

1350
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 11: replay can correct it. But if you blow the whistle

1351
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 11: dead too early, then you can't you can't fix that,

1352
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 11: And so I think what ultimately she'll do is she'll

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01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 11: probably let the jury decide everything because if she's wrong

1354
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 11: about that, if she's wrong and it should have never

1355
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 11: went to the jury, the Quarter of Appeals can fix

1356
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 11: it through replay. But if she cuts it off now,

1357
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Speaker 11: the death kind of is off the table forever.

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Speaker 2: You can't bring that back later.

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Speaker 11: So I'm guessing she's going to air on the side

1360
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 11: of unless there's something, you know, across the board everyone

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Speaker 11: agrees on, I'm going to allow the court to or

1362
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 11: the jury to hear the deskboy argument.

1363
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Speaker 2: Our legal expert Chason Phillibaum on the show talking about

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Speaker 2: Roddy Hinton, your father Hitton, who struck and killed intentionally.

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Speaker 2: It appears Deputy Larry Henderson, and there's no doubt about

1366
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: it that this is the guy and he did what

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Speaker 2: he did. But now claiming that he has a significant

1368
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Speaker 2: defense not guilty by reason of insanity is the a

1369
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Speaker 2: plea he changed it to yesterday a court appointed psychiatrists.

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Speaker 2: So someone allegedly neutral sits down and analyzes him and says, yes,

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Speaker 2: he suffers from bipolar disorder, and that is a one

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Speaker 2: of the four ways you can get out of the

1373
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Speaker 2: death penalty, not a life sentence, but the death penalty.

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Speaker 2: But again, as Jason pointed out, it's a two pronged

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Speaker 2: test here. Does he have a serious mental illness at

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Speaker 2: the time of defense past mental state is what that's called,

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Speaker 2: And the answer, of course would be yes. The second

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Speaker 2: phase of that, though, and this is the difficult hurdle

1379
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Speaker 2: for the defense, is his compety to san trial maining.

1380
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Speaker 2: Does he understand the proceedings against him? Can he assist

1381
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Speaker 2: his counsel and defense? And that's the threshold question right there. Okay,

1382
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: we established that he suffers from the disorder, do we

1383
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: have different experts coming and or is it up to

1384
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Speaker 2: the judge to discuss or talk to the defend in

1385
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 2: this case to determine whether or not he understands what's

1386
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Speaker 2: happening right now, because one could make a case it

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Speaker 2: seem like he appears that he does.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and right now there's a gag order essentially where

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Speaker 11: the judge is not going to let these reports out

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Speaker 11: till they're in open court. And so what you heard

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Speaker 11: the doctor say yesterday, I think she specifically said, I

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Speaker 11: am only focused on the first prong, Does he need

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Speaker 11: to die?

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Speaker 2: Not the criteria?

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Speaker 8: And yes he does.

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Speaker 11: She did not talk about the second prong yet, which

1397
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 11: is does it significantly impair his ability to understand the

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Speaker 11: difference between right and wrong? Now, again that's the paraphrasing,

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Speaker 11: but that's what she has to show. And thinking that's

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Speaker 11: the January hearing, I think they're coming back the first

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01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 11: week of January. You're going to hear all the experts

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01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 11: talk about that. So I think the judge is going

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01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 11: to decide that he's competent. I don't think there's really

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01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 11: any strong evidence that he's not. Confidence as being trial,

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01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 11: I think the judge, based on this expert, is going

1406
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 11: to allow the jury to consider not guilty by reason

1407
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Speaker 11: of insanity, and I think that's fair he let the

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 11: jury beside that. But I also think what's going to

1409
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 11: be telling, and we don't know the answer yet, is

1410
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 11: do all three of the experts agree that he has,

1411
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 11: you know, bipolar disorder, Because I'm guessing they do, that's

1412
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 11: just a guess, but they probably all disagree on whether

1413
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 11: or not that is a serious or significant impairment for him.

1414
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 11: You know, there's people diagnosed with bipool or disorder every day,

1415
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 11: but that's not a significant impairment. And I think that's

1416
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Speaker 11: what the main hearing is going to be in January

1417
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 11: is does it rise to the level that it's so

1418
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 11: significant he didn't know what was going on?

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the NNGRII defense. But have you ever

1420
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: been around I know you've read people this before, but

1421
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 2: have you ever been around somebody that literally suffered from

1422
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 2: this disorder, but at the same time also did not understand

1423
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: or could contribute to their own defense that legally, literally

1424
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: they were insane and therefore they couldn't be held to

1425
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: the capital murder. Have you been around someone like that?

1426
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 2: I just wondering how that presents itself in the court

1427
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 2: of law. Are they speaking in tongues or just simply

1428
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: not understanding what's going on?

1429
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Speaker 11: They just don't understand. I mean, I've had a few

1430
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 11: defendants over a course of the time that's been found

1431
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 11: not competence to stand trial. That just means they don't

1432
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 11: understand who's who. They don't understand the difference between the

1433
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 11: judges and the prosecutors and the defense counsel. They don't

1434
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 11: understand essentially laws. They just don't get it. Imagine like

1435
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 11: trying to explain this to a three or four year old,

1436
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 11: that's the best way to describe it. They might be

1437
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 11: able to talk, but they have no idea what a

1438
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 11: court is and what trial is and things of that nature.

1439
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 11: And so essentially what the order would be there is

1440
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 11: they send you to a mens hospital to restore your competency. Basically,

1441
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 11: they try to educate you, they try to help you,

1442
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 11: they try to give you counseling, medication. Can they get

1443
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 11: you back to the point where you understand and if

1444
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 11: if there's a period of tend where they can restore you,

1445
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Speaker 11: then you go back to the court and get a trial.

1446
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Speaker 11: But if after a certain period of time six months,

1447
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Speaker 11: a year, whatever the statute is, that's when they say,

1448
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Speaker 11: well you're just not confident to stay a trial.

1449
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Speaker 2: Cases over.

1450
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Speaker 11: So I've seen that before and I think the best

1451
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 11: way to describe it is, you know, try talking to

1452
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 11: a four year old about court and that's what it's

1453
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Speaker 11: like to someone that has a severe mental illness.

1454
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Phillibum on that, that's fascinating that you probably

1455
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 2: pretty know pretty much right away. Is it impossible to

1456
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 2: fake your way through that?

1457
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 11: That's what experts are good at They will catch someone

1458
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 11: that tries to fake them because they ask you one

1459
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 11: hundred questions in so many different ways. That's what these

1460
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 11: tests are designed. And it's not just one psychologist has

1461
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 11: come up with it. It's been thirty years in the making,

1462
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 11: so you know they will they will hopefully catch the

1463
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 11: person that tries to do it. Now, I'm sure if

1464
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 11: you have, you know, Hollywood actor doing their thing, maybe

1465
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,799
Speaker 11: they might be able to pull someone. But the average

1466
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 11: person out there on the street trying to get out

1467
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 11: of a trial is not going to fool with psychology.

1468
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you'd have to be pretty well studied or

1469
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 2: go into a different character entirely for that to happen.

1470
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Speaker 2: It's a possibility. It may have happened in the past,

1471
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Speaker 2: but now Kaiser SoSE is the last person I think

1472
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Speaker 2: I've seen it right be able to pull that one.

1473
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 2: Kevin Spacey's character, he's.

1474
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Speaker 8: Exactly what I was thinking.

1475
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's Hollywood though, that's

1476
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Speaker 2: not real life. The Kaiser defense here, if you pull

1477
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Speaker 2: that one off, you deserve to get out of get

1478
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: out of your your sentence. I don't think that's going

1479
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: to happen for this guy. How much is the fact

1480
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Speaker 2: that everything he did was premeditated? The fact that Roddery

1481
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: Hinton drove around for a period of time before selecting

1482
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Speaker 2: Deputy Henderson to murder, that has to contribute to this

1483
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 2: as well, doesn't it.

1484
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 11: Absolutely? And that's what the state's going to argue. If

1485
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 11: you premeditate, if you plan, if you basically go around

1486
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 11: and set up your crime, then it did not significantly

1487
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 11: impair your ability to function. And so there's an argument

1488
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 11: by the premeditation aspect that you weren't insane.

1489
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Speaker 8: Now, I think what the defense.

1490
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 11: Is going to argue is he drove around and he

1491
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 11: was thinking about it and then he just had a

1492
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 11: sudden burst of I can't take this anymore, and so

1493
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Speaker 11: I think that's what they're going to try to argue.

1494
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 11: But that you know, I was told back in law school,

1495
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 11: when it comes to ngri, you run, you're done. That

1496
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Speaker 11: was the phrase that came out in a case a

1497
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 11: long time ago, which the moment you start planning or

1498
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 11: the moment you run, you kind of show that you

1499
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 11: know what's right and wrong right because you've planned it,

1500
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Speaker 11: or you run away from it. So I think that's

1501
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 11: what that's what's going to probably be the big, big

1502
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 11: decision maker in the case is the fact that this

1503
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 11: was premeditated.

1504
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 2: Grief and emotional distress and extreme emotional reaction for that

1505
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: matter to your son's death does not indicate serious mental

1506
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: illness or the fact that you can't comprehend right from wrong.

1507
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 11: Right if you were watching the video at the moment

1508
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 11: and then attack the officer in a room, that would

1509
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 11: be a much different situation than getting in a car

1510
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 11: and driving around and looking for your right candidate. I mean,

1511
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 11: that's what the state's going to argue.

1512
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: But that will try to throw everything they can. I

1513
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 2: guess at the judge and jury if that's the case,

1514
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 2: to decide whether or not he this mental illness that

1515
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: he suffers from bipolar disorder, which is a you know,

1516
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fairly common diagnosis for sure, But did

1517
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 2: it impact his decisions he made that day? And also,

1518
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 2: more importantly, does he know right from wrong? And just

1519
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: running seems to indicate that he does. It should be

1520
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: fairly open and shut. I would think right, just based.

1521
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 11: On that, yeah, I would think that you know, from

1522
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 11: the standpoint, I mean again, I always tell people you

1523
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 11: don't know what's going on. So you see the full

1524
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 11: evidence at the trial, but you know, based on what

1525
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 11: we've read so far, I would think the jury would

1526
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 11: have a little easier decision on the guilt versus not

1527
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 11: guilty by reason insanity. I think this case is all

1528
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 11: going to hinge on though, whether the judge allows the

1529
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 11: death memvie. If she does, what will the jury think,

1530
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 11: Because there's a lot of argument for the defense to

1531
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 11: argue there's enough mitigation here that he shouldn't be put

1532
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 11: to death for this. And you have such an extreme

1533
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 11: hostile act of taking out a law enforcement officer that

1534
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 11: wasn't even involved, and compare that to someone that has

1535
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 11: this mental health issue. And that's going to be the

1536
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 11: struggle the jury has to decide, is should I put

1537
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 11: that person to death? The crime is so horrendous. The

1538
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 11: preliminary answer is yes, But then is his mental health

1539
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 11: issue so mitigating that we put him in prison for.

1540
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 8: Life instead of death.

1541
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 11: That's going to be the thing that I think is

1542
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 11: going to be the hardest decision the jury is going

1543
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 11: to have to wrestle.

1544
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 2: With, right, you know, not on that note, whether he

1545
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 2: was taking his medicaid, if he was off his meds.

1546
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: Let's hey didn't decide to take medication that day. Does

1547
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: that help the defense or does it not matter simply

1548
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: because you know you're on it now, you know right

1549
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 2: from wrong and your cares being managed right now. Does

1550
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 2: that impact us at all?

1551
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 11: It's going to be one of the things that both

1552
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 11: sides argue. It's like, it's like I was drunk, I

1553
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 11: didn't mean to kill the person when I crashed into him.

1554
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 11: And the answer to that is, but you intentionally drank

1555
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 11: alcohol and then got into a car, And so the

1556
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 11: same argument is going to be made he intentionally did

1557
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 11: not take his medicine. I mean, if it's a situation

1558
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 11: where you've got such a severe issue, you've got to

1559
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 11: take the medicine, and you forgot that morning. That's one

1560
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 11: thing that if you go off for a period of time,

1561
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 11: that's an intentional decision that the state's going to argue,

1562
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 11: and of course the defense is going to argue the

1563
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 11: counter argument. But that's again something that the jury's going

1564
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 11: to have to wrestle with.

1565
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: All right. He is a defense attorney, Jason Philibaum and

1566
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: a private practice Unison Philibaum Law Firm, former prosecutor. Interesting

1567
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 2: not reason not guilty reason in sanity. It's the plea

1568
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 2: from Ryny Hidding. And we'll find out in January if

1569
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: the judge agrees. Jason all the best. Thanks for the insight.

1570
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I appreciate it.

1571
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 8: Thank you.

1572
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: I take care. We've got to get a news update

1573
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: in here momentarily on the big one seven hundred ww

1574
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: and when we return, stopped up my wife a little bit.

1575
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: She's on the men from the knee surgery, because that's

1576
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: what we Sloans do. We just have surgery all the time.

1577
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: Sloani here seven hundred called the bells. Do you hear

1578
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 2: the bells? It could only mean one thing.

1579
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 6: It's real estate time with my shell Sloan Remax, time

1580
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 6: agent and proud proprietor of Sloan sells Homes dot com.

1581
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: Heed her words.

1582
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 6: Or face her wrath on seven hundred WL to what's

1583
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 6: going on?

1584
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 12: Can you hear it? Can you hear that squeaky sound?

1585
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 11: Clark?

1586
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 12: I'm serious, there's something in the.

1587
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 7: Wall, Oh my god, fluttering, it's squeaking.

1588
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 12: It's fluttering and wall to get home right now.

1589
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 9: You got into the mushrooms again, didn't you. No, But

1590
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 9: there's something like a like a like a like a

1591
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 9: pig in the truffle you found she found the mushrooms.

1592
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 2: She's high af at eleven thirty this morning. Awesome.

1593
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 12: No no, no, no, no, no, no, there is some of course, Okay,

1594
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 12: so I can hear it right, there's some scratching in

1595
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 12: the wall. I'm sure it's probably a little mouse.

1596
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: Or something gonna snow outside.

1597
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 12: Wants to come out from the garage, but I think

1598
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 12: it's in the walls. Every time I get close, it's

1599
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 12: quiet and it doesn't move. But then I heard a

1600
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 12: fluttering like it might be a bird, so I can

1601
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 12: Bandit are the best guard dog that ever was is

1602
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 12: just sleeping in the corner and could absolutely care. We

1603
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 12: are being invaded by.

1604
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 2: Well it is that time of year.

1605
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

1606
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 12: Okay, uh yeah, we got it. We have a creature

1607
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 12: and it's driving me nuts. I'm working from home today

1608
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 12: because it's cold outside and I don't like it.

1609
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: Where is is it in the bedroom?

1610
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 7: Is it?

1611
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 2: Where?

1612
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 12: No? No, no, So I went to take Bandit out

1613
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 12: for a walk and I it's somewhere between the dining room,

1614
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 12: the laundry room and the garage. And I'm thinking maybe

1615
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 12: something got stuck in the dryer vent. But you have

1616
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 12: a new like lid on.

1617
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, new lidy lid.

1618
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 12: I don't know. But the animals are coming in.

1619
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 2: And yeah, just the one.

1620
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 12: I don't know, But man, it doesn't seem to give

1621
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 12: a straight up.

1622
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 2: That's got to be a brave mouse. Because I was

1623
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: thought I was near the bedroom. I thought, you know,

1624
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 2: with the snoring in there, that whatever or drug induced

1625
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 2: home issues? Are you shure? I'm not buying it. I

1626
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 2: just think it's the narcotics left over from your knee surgery.

1627
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: I think you're just high.

1628
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 12: I have been narcotic free for almost a week.

1629
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 2: Right, you think I'm actually going to get home in

1630
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,560
Speaker 2: the first order? Business to be looking to find a

1631
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 2: mouse in a wall somewhere. Yes, yeah, I'll figure it out.

1632
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 12: It's because I'm going to torment you until.

1633
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 2: Although I have a buddy. I have a buddy that

1634
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: he had mouse and mice and how whatever. He's like, okay,

1635
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 2: they're they're finding some poop over and like, okay, we

1636
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 2: got some mousk moscat in somewhere called extremity. It comes

1637
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: over and goes to the attic and literally finds an

1638
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 2: entire colony. Uh, to the point where sixteen dollars later.

1639
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've actually been in my business,

1640
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 12: you know, which is actually real estate during home inspections.

1641
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 12: We've seen bird messs literally the size of a car

1642
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 12: of ew beetle that is messing and growing in there.

1643
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 12: We've seen raccoons and they can make an awful thanky mess.

1644
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 12: Yeah you know, bird mice for sure.

1645
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, so so we have a problem, sir, Okay,

1646
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put that at the bottom of the list

1647
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 2: of things I have to do today. The mouse will

1648
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 2: be fine, it'll be fine. Well, we'll get through this somehow.

1649
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 12: Will be fine if he calls his little self in

1650
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 12: through an outlet or something, and then he's in here

1651
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 12: and then it's still sleeping, and I'm like, you should

1652
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 12: see him.

1653
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I saved it. I never took a picture of

1654
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: it too. At my workshop, a mouse was crawling through

1655
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: it did just what you said. I think he was

1656
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 2: trying to get in the out He's like, because I

1657
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: have the covers off because I still have work to

1658
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 2: do in there. And the mouse literally is electrocuted to

1659
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 2: the to the outlet as cool as hell. No that

1660
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: oh he got it fast. He got it quick.

1661
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 12: Okay, as long as it was it was like a trap.

1662
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 2: The mouse tried to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

1663
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 2: That judge would not hear it, and he was immediately.

1664
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 12: Actually, so I'm nice. Are just living there in life,

1665
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 12: right and I'm not ANSI mouse. I will get the

1666
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 12: trapped that actually won't kill them. They get trapped inside,

1667
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 12: and then you have to like deliver them at least

1668
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 12: a mile away, or somehow they find their way back

1669
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 12: in here.

1670
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 2: You know that's a park or.

1671
01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 12: Something, and.

1672
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 2: You really are too. You'll drive two miles away to

1673
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: release the mouse back in the wild that promptly gets

1674
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: eaten by something else.

1675
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 12: Well that's fine, that's nature. But as long as I

1676
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,759
Speaker 12: didn't kill it, oh my little so I think, whatever's

1677
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 12: in my walls right now, in the walls of my

1678
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 12: brain right.

1679
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 2: Now, get the little trap. See how it works out. Well,

1680
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: on the other side of the wall, a good place

1681
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: for them. That's what the walls there are.

1682
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,640
Speaker 12: I mean, if I thought maybe they were, it was

1683
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 12: in the garage, and I'm fine with that because you

1684
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 12: know that happens.

1685
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 2: Well, we'll figure it out. It's fine. We're getting three

1686
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: to five to twenty inches of snow tomorrow. We got

1687
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 2: to prepare for that. We got to prepare for that.

1688
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little real well, segue from mice to

1689
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 2: real estate, but it's largely the same thing. Everybody's got

1690
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 2: a couple of mons. It's that time of year. You're

1691
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: gonna have some mice. And you know, it takes us

1692
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 2: a hole the size of a dime for one to

1693
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: get through. There's no way you're going to be able to,

1694
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, patch every hole in your house for that.

1695
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 2: Maybe you can find an area where you know there's

1696
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: an old plumbing or h AC system and they didn't

1697
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: you know, fill the hole properly or something like that,

1698
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: and yeah, you can spot those for sure. Or maybe

1699
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 2: there's culking or something that's given away in a corner,

1700
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 2: all tiny spots like that's tough because oose things can

1701
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 2: literally scale a skyscraper. Nonetheless, I know you wanted to.

1702
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: I think it's good news here, the Hamlin County real

1703
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: estate transfer tax increase. It was going to cost people

1704
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: more money in Hamlin County. That's been scubbled, right, it is,

1705
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: I mean so right.

1706
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 12: We do have some real news, some nuggets of news

1707
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 12: to share with you today. There has been some action

1708
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 12: in the Hamilton County real estate transfer tax increase that

1709
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 12: was in the budget. It has been nixed. So a

1710
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 12: group of the realtor Alliance of Greators, Cincinnati, landlord lenders, investors,

1711
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 12: the entire real estate community really came out against this,

1712
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 12: saying it's going to be harmful to homeowners, buyers, builders,

1713
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 12: small landlords, everybody because the cost of this transfer tax

1714
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 12: is going to be the highest in the area. I mean,

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01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 12: they were trying to increase it, and it's one of

1716
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 12: those if I would say there's a hidden fee when

1717
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 12: you sell your home, it's the transfer tax. It's four

1718
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 12: dollars per thousand of the house that you sell, so

1719
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 12: you know it can add up pretty quickly. And you

1720
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 12: have no idea as a seller that you are having

1721
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 12: to pay this transfer tax unless you have a good

1722
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 12: real estate agent who's going to sell you in advance.

1723
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 12: There's not a darn thing I can do about it,

1724
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 12: you know, I just tell you, I just give you

1725
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 12: the information and know that that's going to come out

1726
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 12: in the end of your proceeds, which is not good.

1727
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:46,480
Speaker 12: And there is also some round of applause to Commissioner.

1728
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 12: Commissioner Eli Herise because she has been the sad sass

1729
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 12: voice of reason on this one and oppositions to be increased. Yeah,

1730
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 12: to do an awesome job. So that was that nugget.

1731
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 12: So for now, Hamilton County is going to stay still

1732
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 12: one of the higher ones. Right, Hamilton and Claremont County

1733
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 12: are four dollars per thousand in a transfer tax. Warren

1734
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 12: County and Butler County are three dollars per thousand when

1735
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 12: you sell your house. So if you're planning to sell

1736
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 12: your house, talk to your real estate agent about that.

1737
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 12: It's not just your regular property taxes that you have

1738
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 12: to pay at closing. Yeah, you have to pay the

1739
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 12: transfer tax as well.

1740
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: All right. So yeah, so the three dollars per hundred

1741
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, yeah, per hundred.

1742
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 12: Right, per hundred, three dollars per hundred. So if it's

1743
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 12: if it's a two hundred thousand dollars home, it's two

1744
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 12: hundred times three dollars or four dollars.

1745
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 11: Whatever that is.

1746
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple hundred bucks.

1747
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 3: But again, it all adds up, does add up.

1748
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: There's all those fees that get add It's like a

1749
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 2: CBS receipt when you're buying a house, for God's sakes,

1750
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: it's just still one thing after another after another. After

1751
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: all right, well that's good news right there, all right,

1752
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: from mice to what else we have?

1753
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 12: The FAG yesterday cut rates for the third time and

1754
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 12: twenty five interestingly, so it's like a group of I

1755
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 12: don't know people at the FED that vote on this,

1756
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 12: whether or not to cut the rates, increase the rates,

1757
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 12: do whatever. So it's on a nationwide level, right, and

1758
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 12: not everybody's in agreement that just keeping and cutting the

1759
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 12: rates is going to be the best thing for our economy.

1760
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 12: And so it was a split vote, and it sort

1761
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 12: of reveals there's a little bit of a chink in

1762
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 12: the armor there that there's a possibility that, you know,

1763
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 12: just lowering the FED rate is not going to help

1764
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 12: our economy overall. We have so many other factors inflation

1765
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 12: and unemployment and your mortgage rates and your rates on

1766
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 12: your on your credit cards as well, so you know,

1767
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 12: all of this is taken into consideration. It's not the

1768
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 12: it's not an equal thing. And that's the one again,

1769
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 12: this is sort of one of those things that people

1770
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 12: don't talk enough about. When the Fed cuts the rate,

1771
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 12: It doesn't mean automatically that your mortgage rate is going

1772
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 12: to be lowered. It's just that's that's not the way

1773
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 12: it works, or it doesn't mean that any future mortgage

1774
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 12: rates are going to automatically be lowered. As a matter

1775
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 12: of fact, that we're the course of the last week,

1776
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 12: mortgage rates have inched up just a little bit. So

1777
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 12: right now they're around six and a quarter, which is

1778
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 12: still pretty in my opinion, it's still pretty good. Anything

1779
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 12: under seven, anything under six and a half is what

1780
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 12: I would considered to be fair. Is it the three

1781
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 12: percent of days old days gone by?

1782
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 5: No, it's not.

1783
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 12: But we're never going to see three percent mortgage rate again.

1784
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 2: Stop it don't it's not coming back. But these are

1785
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 2: good times. These are good times.

1786
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 5: It is.

1787
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 12: It is decent. I mean it's good now. Knowing that

1788
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 12: if the mortgage rates go down, buyers have a little

1789
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 12: litle bit more buying power, which is a good thing

1790
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 12: as well. And right now we are seeing more inventory.

1791
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 12: We're seeing more homes currently on the market, so we

1792
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 12: have an inventory of about three months worth of inventory

1793
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 12: based on the number of sales. So that means if

1794
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 12: you're a buyer and I know this is salesy, but

1795
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 12: if you are a buyer, now is a great time

1796
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 12: to start to look yeah, because rates are moderate and

1797
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 12: there are homes to their homes to look at. So

1798
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 12: think about getting back into the market before spring, before

1799
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 12: the rest of the world gets back in the market,

1800
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 12: because I think that's that's.

1801
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 2: A good step to start to see a surge here. Okay, good, good,

1802
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 2: good good. My wife Michelle from so long sales homes

1803
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: dot Com open house show. I get the podcast for

1804
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app of course on YouTube as well, and

1805
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,640
Speaker 2: Remax time in Mainville. I will throw this out there too,

1806
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,640
Speaker 2: because we're expecting bitterly cold temperatures. The temperature will not

1807
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 2: get out of the single digits for the game on Sunday.

1808
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 2: If so, it'll be very very close, like maybe eleven degrees.

1809
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: It's going to be absolutely frigid. And when we've seen

1810
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 2: that kind of cold, uh, you see a lot of

1811
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: problems pop up. I just want to put the shout

1812
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 2: out here. If you have not done so already, today

1813
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 2: would be the day before it starts to snow and

1814
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 2: get colder. Is to make sure you take those hoses

1815
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: if you have not yet from the side of your

1816
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: house outdoor hoses and you have to take them off

1817
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: even though you have a frost free faucet.

1818
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 8: Frozen, babe, that's not that cold out.

1819
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 2: Yet, it's still what oh, I don't know. I mean,

1820
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 2: I mean we're below freezing obviously too, but yeah, you

1821
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: could still you can get those off. Very important because

1822
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 2: if you haven't already. Yeah, I'm not saying you should

1823
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 2: probably have done this fall, but just make sure you're

1824
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:44,680
Speaker 2: all caught up on that kind of stuff too. And

1825
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't have the heat in your house,

1826
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: and maybe uh on the wet wall and that is

1827
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 2: where the plumbing comes into the sink, like in the

1828
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 2: kitchen for example. Usually that's a trouble spot because and

1829
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 2: the wet wall is an outside If you have older home,

1830
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:58,439
Speaker 2: you don't have enough insulation in there. Make sure you

1831
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 2: open those sink cabinets up and in this kind of

1832
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 2: weather even and you know you're you live there long enough,

1833
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 2: keep the fastest dripping. A little bit of flow will

1834
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 2: help as well, just a slight drip. It's you may go,

1835
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run my water bill up, But it's a

1836
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: lot cheaper than having a plumber.

1837
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 12: Come out to fix or I mean, it's just a

1838
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 12: tiny little drip, just as flow as it keep it,

1839
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 12: and having those cabinet doors open on the outside walls

1840
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 12: really does make a huge difference. I'm also going to

1841
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 12: suggest if you have any elderly people that live near you,

1842
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 12: next to you, your next door neighbors or family members

1843
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 12: or whatever, go check on them this weekend because it

1844
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 12: is it's going to be cold, and if they're heating

1845
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 12: their homes by the oven or whatever, stop it.

1846
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 3: No, don't do that.

1847
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 12: It's dangerous.

1848
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's all right. Just be ready to go

1849
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: because we're going to get that weather moving in. That's

1850
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 2: how it's going to be. It's gonna get cold and

1851
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a lot of snow. So the other

1852
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: thing too, I did see some rock. I was out

1853
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 2: yesterday getting some stuff at the you know, the big

1854
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 2: box home retailers. I was at low Is actually, and

1855
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of salt left, so you're in

1856
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 2: good chip if you haven't got years.

1857
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 12: Yet, that's good. And again today's day right to get

1858
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 12: your butt out there. If you need a shovel, get

1859
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 12: on it. If you need some salt, And there's all

1860
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,640
Speaker 12: different kinds of salt. How much time do we have

1861
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 12: to I actually have a little bit of a.

1862
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 8: Lip well, I I.

1863
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: What kind of salt do you would you prefer?

1864
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 5: There?

1865
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 2: You're like a I like Kosher Kosher. It's out there

1866
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 2: sprinkling sprinkler box of Morton's Kosher on the driveway.

1867
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 12: I'm kidding. That is actually the worst thing that you

1868
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 12: can do because you're going to create pits and it's

1869
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 12: not safe for your plants or your pets.

1870
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 2: So, I mean it's the cheapest, and you know, if

1871
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 2: it's lightful, but you get a depreeze like this, you

1872
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 2: need calcium chloride or magnesium chloride. Are the ones that

1873
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 2: work below ten degrees, right?

1874
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 12: And you want to look at look at the label

1875
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 12: a little bit again. If there's just not a lot

1876
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 12: of choices, there's probably not a lot.

1877
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: Get what you can. It's better than nothing because it's

1878
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 2: going to help. I mean, if you get that heavy set,

1879
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a light snow. I think too. But

1880
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 2: if you get that icing event, you want to lay

1881
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 2: that down for max sure. It makes it easier to

1882
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 2: get that stuff off off your driveway and walkways if

1883
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 2: you pre treat it like the roadway. So there you go.

1884
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 2: My wife Michelle sloan this and more via the podcast

1885
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app that Slong saleshomes dot Com Openhouse

1886
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 2: Show from your next time in Mainville. All the best,

1887
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 2: love you, gotta go, gotta go. You have a great day.

1888
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 12: Okay, come get my this mouse burg whatever it is not.

1889
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 2: Even anywhere in the list today, that is not on

1890
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 2: my to do list. Make friends with it. Make friends

1891
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 2: with it. The dog needs a friend, well, he's just.

1892
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 11: Nice.

1893
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 2: Pet mouse would be fine for him. It's something that

1894
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 2: guess what, less things. I don't have to throw the

1895
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,759
Speaker 2: ball as much anymore if he has a pet mouse

1896
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 2: as his best friend. It's like a Disney movie. Michelle

1897
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 2: lean into that stuff, would you. Willy's on the way

1898
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,120
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