WEBVTT - 10-20-25 Sloan with Betsy Sunderman

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be an Americans?

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<v Speaker 2>Got Flom show on seven hundred WLW that we got

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<v Speaker 2>some breaking news to share with you this morning about

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<v Speaker 2>crime in Cincinnati. Robert Shaw has now been charged in

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<v Speaker 2>the murder with that drive by shooting. He killed a

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<v Speaker 2>thirty four old man by the name of Justin Johnson

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<v Speaker 2>right after Thursday night football. This is on Sycamore in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the in Between Tavern. Happened about two am,

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<v Speaker 2>so people are still downtown celebrating the Big Bengals. Whin

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<v Speaker 2>Shaw was wearing an ankle monitor at the time. Does

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<v Speaker 2>the story sound familiar? Sure? And the reason why I

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<v Speaker 2>was under a house arrest so to speak, was carried

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<v Speaker 2>concealed weapon, illegal gun possession and here he is being

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<v Speaker 2>held on that, being about to go and trial on that,

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<v Speaker 2>and now he's out there doing it again. So initially

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<v Speaker 2>he was released on a twenty thousand dollars bond with

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<v Speaker 2>the electronic monitoring that was back in June. Also, the

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<v Speaker 2>suspect in the Fountain Square shooting last week has turned

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<v Speaker 2>himself in. Twenty four year old Shaquille Ferguson said it's

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<v Speaker 2>self defense because the people that he shot at through

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<v Speaker 2>the window of City Chicken on Fountain Square were actually

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<v Speaker 2>armed themselves and pointing a gun at him. The only

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<v Speaker 2>problem with that argument from Clyde Bennett is that mister

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<v Speaker 2>Ferguson was already on probation in July for a violent crime,

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<v Speaker 2>which means he's under disability and shouldn't have had the

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<v Speaker 2>gun that he shot the window out and at the

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<v Speaker 2>people to the city Bird. So we're back to this question.

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<v Speaker 2>Is our probation and monitoring system completely broken and beyond repair?

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<v Speaker 2>On that is the honorable Betsy Sunderman, She's a judge

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<v Speaker 2>in Hamlin County, joining the show to discuss here on

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you good morning? I'm great, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing final though you hear these stories, I'd love

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<v Speaker 2>to not be talking about violent crime in Cincinnati, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have shoes dropping and now we know

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<v Speaker 2>the backgrounds of the individuals and jackets on Robert Shaw

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<v Speaker 2>and Shaquille Ferguson. You have two people yet again that

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<v Speaker 2>should not be armed by law, and yet there they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, and if if there are any issues with

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<v Speaker 1>probation monitoring right now, it is interesting for your liststeners

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<v Speaker 1>to know who is in charge of the probation officers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the judges. The judges hire the probation officers and

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<v Speaker 1>make sure they're doing their jobs. So if we're having

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<v Speaker 1>issues with probation monitoring, I mean, I haven't heard this

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<v Speaker 1>issue before in the past. And it's interesting. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of Democrat judges who are in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of the probation department and that seems to be the

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<v Speaker 1>big change, and now we're not very happy with probation monitoring. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, about a month ago, the Democrat majority of

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<v Speaker 1>judges and Common Police Criminal Court decided to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of some of these, well all of the probation substations.

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<v Speaker 1>So there used to be these substations in the most

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<v Speaker 1>violent neighborhood and people who are on probation could go

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<v Speaker 1>meet with those probation officers there, and the probation officers

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<v Speaker 1>could set up shops there and they could visit people

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<v Speaker 1>in their homes. But now the Democrat judges have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>rid of those and they said, well, it's more efficient

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<v Speaker 1>because now our probation officers can all be downtown. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. Maybe it's more efficient as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have to drive places, but they're not able

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<v Speaker 1>to monitor people.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not in the community. So now they got it

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<v Speaker 2>a far further to monitor the people instead of being

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<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood. It'd be kind of like just having

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<v Speaker 2>one big police station district one as opposed to the

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<v Speaker 2>multi different districts in and around Cincinnati. For cops. You

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<v Speaker 2>put them where the people in the crimes are exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Visiting people in their homes, then people are picking up

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<v Speaker 1>more violations when the probation officers are seeing things in

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<v Speaker 1>their home. So of course the stats are going to

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<v Speaker 1>show a year from now that there are fewer probation violations,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's because the monitor monitoring is going to be subpar,

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<v Speaker 1>and as we see the monitoring get worse and worse,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see people out there offending. For example.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I really can't speak specifically to a case,

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<v Speaker 1>but if there's a case where someone, for example, is

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<v Speaker 1>on the ankle monitor but has privileges for something, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to monitor those privileges. So like let's say

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<v Speaker 1>I was on an ankle monitor and I had privileges

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<v Speaker 1>to go to work. Well, that's easy because I work

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<v Speaker 1>at one location and I work from the same time

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<v Speaker 1>I start and the same time I end every day.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of people don't have jobs like that.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people, you know, maybe they work construction,

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<v Speaker 1>or they work at a hospital, or they work odd hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you monitor someone when they always say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was on my way to a construction job.

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<v Speaker 2>Or in the case is this is Betsy Sunderman ferguson

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<v Speaker 2>the Fountain Square shoot at Teddy Bird. This young man

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<v Speaker 2>has a two cases pending for aggravated assault, both with

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<v Speaker 2>a weapon specification. There he shot someone two days prior,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly in Northside before he shot the window out in

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<v Speaker 2>Fountain Square and shout at the people there, And yet

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<v Speaker 2>he was on probation from the other one saying, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as you're out looking for a job, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's a good idea. You turn

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<v Speaker 2>your application at City Bird and then turn around and

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<v Speaker 2>shoot their window out, albeit not to shoot at the

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<v Speaker 2>bird's window, shoot the people in the bird. But still,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure, you know, if I'm doing the hiring

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of behaviors frowned upon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess it depends what kind of job they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to book, but it's unlikely that that would meet

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<v Speaker 1>the job description.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But by having these rules that seem really tough, but

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<v Speaker 1>then not enforcing them properly, this is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the politicians can say we're combating crime but really doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, like the mayor and his juvenile curfew. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>a juvenile either shoot someone or get shot, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna tighten up this curfew. But then if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at the actual rules of the juvenile curfew, if

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<v Speaker 1>a child is out, if someone under eighteen is out

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<v Speaker 1>and they say that they're on their way to work

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<v Speaker 1>or on their way home from work, you can't make

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<v Speaker 1>them go home, or you can't violate them for the curfew.

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<v Speaker 1>If they say that they are exercising their First Amendment rights,

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<v Speaker 1>which could be the freedom of speech, assembly, they could

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<v Speaker 1>freedom of the press, to.

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<v Speaker 2>Church, they're on their way to church, Bessie when they

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<v Speaker 2>shot that person exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then even if the kid says, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I have no exception that fits, then the police

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<v Speaker 1>all they can do is say, you know, we'd really

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<v Speaker 1>like you to go home, And if the kid says no,

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<v Speaker 1>then they'd say well, we'd really like you to go

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<v Speaker 1>to this, uh, this rec center, and if the kid

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<v Speaker 1>says no, they can't, they can't do anything. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>great that the mayor's on TV saying we're tightening up

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<v Speaker 1>this curfew. If if you're there and you're doing anything bad,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to arrest. But it's just not playing out

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<v Speaker 1>like that, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Betsy Sunderman, Judge Sunderman is here on the show, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about probation and monitoring systems. Are they broken

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<v Speaker 2>beyond repair? Robert Shaw, that was the man who's now

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<v Speaker 2>been charged the drive by shooting that killed thirty fear

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<v Speaker 2>old Justin Johnson after Thursday night football, right right near

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<v Speaker 2>the in between tavern on Thursday night Friday morning. He

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<v Speaker 2>was already out on a lot. He was wearing the

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<v Speaker 2>ankle monitor at the time he shot the individual in

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<v Speaker 2>the car, Justin Johnson. From what I understand, people I

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<v Speaker 2>know knew this guy and said, yeah, he's a professional,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, seemed to be an upstanding guy. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why he and Robert Shaw got into a beef

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<v Speaker 2>and what was over. We don't know that. But the

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<v Speaker 2>background is not Justin Johnson is not a street criminal.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a professional, or was a professional before he was

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<v Speaker 2>murdered in the Shaquille Ferguson shooting at Citybird Chicken. He

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<v Speaker 2>was armed again, had priors, who's out on probation for

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<v Speaker 2>a violent crime, and he shot the window out and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to shoot at the people inside City Bird. His attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>Clyde Bennett cle m self defense. We'll see that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not quite sure how that works within the law. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're prohibited from having a weapon because you're on probation

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<v Speaker 2>and you shoot at someone, I'm not quite sure that

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to It's not It's not like ofsetting

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<v Speaker 2>penalties in the NFL. And then you play it over

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<v Speaker 2>in that regard to Betsy sentiment though, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting in pointing out, because we've talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>problem in its progressivism in Cincinnati, that that that's fueling this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because we want to hands off no bail policy

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to be kindler and gentlemen with people

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<v Speaker 2>who are suspected at crimes because their life is already difficult,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, it just gives the sociopaths out there more

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<v Speaker 2>a license to do stuff like this. I will point out, however,

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<v Speaker 2>in both those cases in Sean Ferguson, those are both

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<v Speaker 2>conservative Republican judges that ordered them on monitoring, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would be Judge dink Locker and Judge Ruleman. Does that

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<v Speaker 2>change the math a little bit on.

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<v Speaker 1>This, Well, I'll tell you those are two of the

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<v Speaker 1>judges who give the biggest bombs. So without being able

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to I can't call them and ask them

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<v Speaker 1>about the case and then talk about it on the radio,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, But I would trust that those judges would

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<v Speaker 1>set appropriate bonds. There's a trifecta that kind of effects

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<v Speaker 1>every time someone's upset about someone being on parole or

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<v Speaker 1>probation and being out there and committing crimes. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>trifecta that affects all this. There's the police, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>probation department, and the judges. So the police are controlled by,

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<v Speaker 1>of course the police chief, who is controlled by the

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<v Speaker 1>city manager, who is ultimately controlled by the mayor. So

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<v Speaker 1>the police department is controlled by the mayor. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we have probation, which I already told you is controlled

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<v Speaker 1>by the judges, the now liberal Democrat judges. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we have the judges themselves, which are now a majority

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat liberal judges, so that basically the two groups that

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<v Speaker 1>are controlling all this is the mayor, the city manager,

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<v Speaker 1>the city administration, and the liberal judges. So if we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a big change, those are the big changes. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had a Democrat mayor for probably fifty years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but the way the mayor is affecting the police department

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<v Speaker 1>is different than ever before. And then all having a

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<v Speaker 1>majority liberal, progressive Democrat judges is new for us in

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<v Speaker 1>Hamilton County.

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<v Speaker 2>Look look look at it, and a lot of look

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<v Speaker 2>at how the mayor's office impacted the brawl, and that

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<v Speaker 2>he was demanding that the white guy be charged because

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<v Speaker 2>he's a white guy, and we got to balance things

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<v Speaker 2>out racially. Apparently if yourest a personal caller, you got

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive white guy, even though he was the victim. Clearly

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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing, and no one wanted to write that

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<v Speaker 2>citation and unfortunately made a captain down at the Central

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<v Speaker 2>Business dictor to it who wasn't even on the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>To show you how politically motivated those charges were. Just

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<v Speaker 2>to appease the vocal contingent of folks in the community

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<v Speaker 2>who were screaming about restorative justice which is which is

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<v Speaker 2>a farce? But relative to Robert Shaw, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>This may be a tough question. You can eat their

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<v Speaker 2>answer to you can. I understand you have a canon

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<v Speaker 2>of ethics you have to abide by. You can't criticize

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<v Speaker 2>other judges. But in the shawcase, this is a drive

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<v Speaker 2>by from Thursday night football in from the in Between

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<v Speaker 2>that was under Judge Dinkelocker. The guy Robert Shaw was

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<v Speaker 2>on a twenty thousand dollars bond with electronic monitoring and

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<v Speaker 2>this was from a case back in June. His jacket

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<v Speaker 2>is this nineteen ninety eight six months in prison for

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<v Speaker 2>coke possession, two thousand and three six months for concealed weapon,

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<v Speaker 2>illegal guns, receiving spolling Property RSP, and then twenty eleven

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<v Speaker 2>and then again in twenty fifteen he did prison time

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<v Speaker 2>for a legal gun possession. He got twenty thousand dollars bond,

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<v Speaker 2>an electronic monitoring out and murdered someone while he was

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<v Speaker 2>wearing the ankle monitor. What would you prescribe what would

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<v Speaker 2>you prescribe as a punishment for Robert Shaw? If we're

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<v Speaker 2>in front of you, let's say, and he was already

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<v Speaker 2>out on bond for another shooting. How many more times

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<v Speaker 2>do you give someone a chance to get out on

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<v Speaker 2>bond even though they have priors involving a weapon, because

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<v Speaker 2>it tells me they're probably just going to do something

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<v Speaker 2>with a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Yeah, I mean, what do you I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do with someone who clearly is never going

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<v Speaker 1>to put down a gun? Right? I mean, this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like you've spent in prison quite a few

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<v Speaker 1>times for having guns. He just keeps he just keeps

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<v Speaker 1>picking up a gun, right. I mean, again, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>speak to this exact case, but I do trust judge

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<v Speaker 1>take a locker and if he set that bond, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know. I can't really speak

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<v Speaker 1>to a specific case. Well, what were you front?

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<v Speaker 2>What would you done? Now? Again, you have the hindsight

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<v Speaker 2>that this guy's going to murder someone over apparently it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a beef. It doesn't look like they knew each

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<v Speaker 2>other at this point. We'll find out. But what And

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<v Speaker 2>you can't look in the crystal ball and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to go out and murder someone. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that because there are probably countless people are in

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<v Speaker 2>the situations that going out and do it. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about stopping this from happening in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we just say, hey, listen, you already had a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Speck you go right to You're going to hold you

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<v Speaker 2>and you're not going to get out, and you're not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be able to walk around. And you decide to

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<v Speaker 2>do something stupid with a gun and you shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a gun. You're going to sit in jail until your trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean I would want to look at

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<v Speaker 1>his pre trial services sheet. So every single person who's

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<v Speaker 1>arrested and put into the jail and has an arraignment

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning in front of a judge, a municipal

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<v Speaker 1>judge and pre trial services interviews the person and sees

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<v Speaker 1>if they're a flight risk, sees how much money they

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<v Speaker 1>could afford for a bond. They ask them a million

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<v Speaker 1>different questions about drugs and guns and family members and

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<v Speaker 1>community ties and do they have a job, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. And the judge is able to look at

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<v Speaker 1>that sheet. The prosecutor is not able to look at

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<v Speaker 1>that sheet. I know that because I used to work

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<v Speaker 1>in that courtroom. One thing that we could do is

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<v Speaker 1>we could give everyone access to that information that might

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<v Speaker 1>be very helpful. I'm sure some of the new prosecutors

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<v Speaker 1>have different strategies than when I was a prosecutor there

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<v Speaker 1>because now they have a different boss.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, giving everyone maximum information and maybe giving the

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<v Speaker 1>media more information. I know the media doesn't see those

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<v Speaker 1>pre trial services sheets. I'm not saying those should be

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<v Speaker 1>turned over to the media, but usually that docket is

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<v Speaker 1>very rapid, and the media kind of leaves confused, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why did one person get a low bond and one

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<v Speaker 1>person get.

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<v Speaker 2>A high bond?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So maybe making some of that more accessible.

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<v Speaker 2>Why isn't I shared with the prosecutor if anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, it's a good question. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I should know that, But then it should

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<v Speaker 1>be shared with the defense attorney. If you can't share

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<v Speaker 1>something just with a prosecutor and not the defense attorney discovery,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe there's no time. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very quick docket. I mean, it's probably not as

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<v Speaker 1>quick as it used to be because we not as

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<v Speaker 1>many people are arrested because there aren't that many people

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<v Speaker 1>in our jail anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, I remember was a long ago under Sheriff

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<v Speaker 2>Simon LEAs, and I know he's revered in this community.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's something he did was way overreaching. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, but he was tough on crime for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember having discussions about we need a bigger jail,

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<v Speaker 2>we need more jail space because we can't house all

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<v Speaker 2>the people. You don't hear that conversation anymore, and that was, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, it's because

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<v Speaker 2>we're not holding people anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Twenty years ago, sy Lease used to meet with

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<v Speaker 1>all the judges and say, listen, we are bursting at

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<v Speaker 1>the themes. I'm going to have to create some new

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<v Speaker 1>work details and things so we can let the least

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<v Speaker 1>violent people out earlier. And the judges would respond, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do what you need to do. We're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>what we need to do. You know, we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to change our sentences. But you know, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have room, you got to do what you need to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine that conversation is happening now where the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff is saying we don't have any room. I never

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<v Speaker 1>hear it, right, But even if we did try to

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<v Speaker 1>arrest another two hundred people to fill up the jail.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have sheriff's deputies, we don't have enough corrections officers.

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<v Speaker 1>Police officers have told me when they arrest juveniles now

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<v Speaker 1>and they bring them to juvenile jail at twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>we call it twenty twenty. Auburn Avenue that most often

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty just says we're not going to keep them.

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<v Speaker 1>We just don't have enough employees. We just can't keep them. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Is it a policy issue? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>a staffing issue. Is it people are vilifying police correction

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<v Speaker 1>officers and then no one wants to do it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that's fulfilled the plan to be understaffed and to

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to lock people up. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>If you look at the climate and CPD right now,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got a huge number officers retiring, even at early ages,

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<v Speaker 2>because they can't stand all the politics and the bs

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<v Speaker 2>and what the mayor's office and how much control they have,

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<v Speaker 2>and how their hands are tied in a lot of cases,

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<v Speaker 2>and they go to a suburban office or trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do a lattle recruiting, and I understand it's difficult because

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<v Speaker 2>people go well, the money's good, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>on the job in Cincinnati, I'd rather stay where I am.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not attractive to them because the climate created by

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<v Speaker 2>the political ecosystem in Hamlin County, but specifically in the

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<v Speaker 2>city of Cincinnati. She is a judge, Betsy Senderman, who's

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<v Speaker 2>running for office. The cycle will know in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks if she wins. But it's it's a tough job.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've got to reform this system because ankle monitor

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<v Speaker 2>the grant and there are probably thousands and thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>people out there that abide by the terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>deal they made with the judge and are trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do the right thing. But how do we segregate the

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<v Speaker 2>most violent people? And I'd say, if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>gun specification history of priors with guns like this Robert

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<v Speaker 2>schaugu I did, then I don't understand why we're giving

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<v Speaker 2>you house arrest essentially because chances are you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>break it. I think, if it's a gun speck, we

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<v Speaker 2>already have laws in the books. Let's enforce federal law

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're prohibited because of a felony prior felony

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<v Speaker 2>for'm owning a firearm, possessing a firearm. Then you go

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<v Speaker 2>to jail right away and there is no release, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no ankle monitoring going on, because you're a menace

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<v Speaker 2>to society. Betsy Siderman, I always appreciate the time and

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<v Speaker 2>the insight. Thanks again. You have a wonderful day.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Clownix, I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not going back to school. You ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get me there. Hell no, I'm not taking out more

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<v Speaker 2>student loans. I'm on the wrong side of fifty and

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<v Speaker 2>I just finished paying mine off. Betsy, Oh the best,

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<v Speaker 2>take care, see you later.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a news update coming in momentarily and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>chop it up next about what you just heared here.

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<v Speaker 2>Surprise surprise, guys out on ankle monitors and house arrest

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<v Speaker 2>and they're out shooting people. This is what this is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the government we deserve because we elected them

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred w well them.