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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Doctor Wendywall Show on KFI AM

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Speaker 1: six point forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Well,

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Speaker 1: my next guest is motivating and shaping and helping and

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Speaker 1: prodding a lot of people in America, and she's doing

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Speaker 1: it with a smile on her face and so much optimism,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that she became a coach and motivational

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Speaker 1: speaker because a trauma that happened to her. I would

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Speaker 1: like to welcome Bershon Shaw. How are you, Bershon?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, good, how are you? Thank you? Thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me.

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Speaker 1: So you really came into this world of sharing your

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Speaker 1: light with other people because of a threat that your

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Speaker 1: light was going to be dimmed. So let's take us

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Speaker 1: to the beginning. What happened in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 2: So in the beginning, right, I got diagnosed with stage

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Speaker 2: four breast cancer. But it started in two thousand and seven, right,

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Speaker 2: So in two thousand and seven I got diagnosed. I

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Speaker 2: didn't do chemo, I did radiation, and then two years

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Speaker 2: later it came back and it was stage four.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we want to remind everybody there's no such thing

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Speaker 1: as stage five cancer. Okay, No, for Exactyes, right, So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about emotionally what you went through when you

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Speaker 1: first heard that news.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was devastated, young, thirty years old. You

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Speaker 2: don't think that the doctors are going to tell you

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Speaker 2: it's terminal breast cancer. Because I had a bad back

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Speaker 2: and my back was hurting, and so everything I tried

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Speaker 2: to do exercises, go to chiropractice, go to all these doctors,

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Speaker 2: and no one could figure it out until the doctor said,

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Speaker 2: let's do an MRI. And I remember to this day

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Speaker 2: I was going to get the results, but I just

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Speaker 2: thought it was a slip disc. And you know, they

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Speaker 2: were going to give me some painkillers and the doctor

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Speaker 2: told me to sit down. Oh, and you know no

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Speaker 2: one wants to hear sit down, And he said, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is different than we thought. This isn't a slip disc.

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Speaker 2: This is terminal breast cancer. It spread throughout your body.

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Speaker 3: WHOA, so it already metastasized.

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Speaker 2: It metastasized.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, and you're a young woman getting this news,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's emotionally devastating. Spoiler alert to anybody listening.

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Speaker 1: This is back in two thousand and nine. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you checked your calendar, this is twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: This is not on tape.

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Speaker 3: She's here, she's here with us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm here, you're talking. Yes.

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Speaker 3: So what did you do?

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Speaker 1: What were your treatments? How did you figure this out?

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Speaker 1: And how did this inspire you to help others?

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Speaker 2: You know? Oh God, this is a journey. So I

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Speaker 2: remember to this day. I went out into the hallway.

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Speaker 2: I just said, give me a minute. Because I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I was so stunned. I went into the hallway, I

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Speaker 2: got on my knees and I just prayed, and I said, God,

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Speaker 2: I know this is not my journey and my time.

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Speaker 2: If you keep me alive, I will motivate people all

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Speaker 2: around the world. If this is my calling, I know

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Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to go. I know I have a

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Speaker 2: bigger calling, and here I am. And like literally I

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Speaker 2: changed my mindset because at first I was depressed, mad, angry,

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Speaker 2: just like why me? But then something clip and it's

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Speaker 2: like as days went by, I wasn't getting sick, I

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Speaker 2: didn't die. They gave me three months. They said, you know,

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Speaker 2: your best chances are probably ninety days. Wow, ninety days

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Speaker 2: went one hundred and twenty days went two hundred days

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Speaker 2: and I was still there, and I said, change your mindset,

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Speaker 2: get busy living, not dying.

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Speaker 3: No every day count brishan.

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Speaker 1: I heard an interesting sentence today that I loved from

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Speaker 1: a medical doctor and he said, you know, every cell

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Speaker 2: M yep, I love that.

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Speaker 1: And so what did you change in your thoughts that

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Speaker 1: you attribute to your miraculous healing.

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Speaker 2: I told myself I am healthy, I am powerful, I

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Speaker 2: am worthy, and I deserve to live literally those four

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Speaker 1: And we don't want to mislead people. You also sought

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah no, I didn't

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Speaker 2: just do affirmations and medical yeah. I mean I did chemo,

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Speaker 2: started exercising. I started doing manifestations every day, positivity meditation,

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Speaker 2: like literally I did it three sixty wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So when did you start to feel like, okay, this

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Speaker 2: You know, probably year two and this is funny because

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Speaker 2: I did a clinical trial with Johns Hopkins and the

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Speaker 2: doctor said she wanted me to be a keynote speaker.

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Speaker 2: And this was like now, fifteen years ago. I wasn't

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Speaker 2: I'm not a statistic, and neither are you. Every day

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Speaker 2: the day you are really dead. And I think something

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Speaker 2: just clicked and I was like, I'm living.

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Speaker 1: You certainly are now tell me about you know what.

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Speaker 1: I'm a professor of health psychology, and one of the

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Speaker 1: things that there's a lot of research to support is

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Speaker 1: that the more friends and yes, of course romantic relationships

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Speaker 1: we have, the better our health. What did you have

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Speaker 1: in terms of social support?

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Speaker 2: You know, You're exactly right, community, friends, family, people coming

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Speaker 2: comedy shows. Like I said, I'm going to get busy living.

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Speaker 2: So I would go to exercise, I would go walking

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Speaker 2: with friends and laughing and talking. And that's the thing

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Speaker 2: we are now. We're lonely. You know, we've gotten away

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Speaker 3: Oh have we ever? Have we ever?

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Speaker 1: And many people don't have the tools to just reach out. Like,

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Speaker 1: for instance, this week, I went through a little EBB

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Speaker 1: and flow happened. You know, I just felt a little

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Speaker 1: noticed myself not getting through my to do list, laying

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Speaker 1: of friends and we're planning a retreat in January. Now

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Speaker 1: But you know, you have to recognize it in yourself

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't be alone right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, I can't be alone. And so that's

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Speaker 2: what we have to get back to human connection, calling someone,

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Speaker 2: don't do it alone because it doesn't work. You spiral

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we have to go for a break.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to talk. I know that you coach people.

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Speaker 1: You're a motivational speaker and specifically to women, but also

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Speaker 1: all humans on the planet. When we come back, will

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Speaker 1: you share some of your wisdom with us, like one

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Speaker 1: of the five things you tell everything everybody they need

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Speaker 3: Okay, hang on.

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Speaker 1: My guest is Bershon Shaw. You can find her on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: She's actually all over the internet, a motivational speaker, business coach,

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Speaker 1: women's advocate, and author who overcame stage four breast cancer

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Speaker 1: her on Instagram. She's a motivational speaker, a business coach,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hear, as you just heard about her

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Speaker 1: journey having been diagnosed with terminal stage four breast cancer

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Speaker 1: and vibrancy and share it with us all. Breshon, are

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Speaker 1: you completely cancer free now?

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Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean they say once you're stage four

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Speaker 2: because that metastasize, there's no such thing. My doctor believes

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Speaker 2: that cancer free is not the word. I am in remission.

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Speaker 2: She believes that, like you know, you're in remission. Everyone's

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Speaker 2: in remission once you have cancer. So yes, I am.

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Speaker 1: You know, I often teach my students that we all

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Speaker 1: have cancer cells in our body at all times.

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Speaker 3: We do, but we also.

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Speaker 1: Many people are very lucky enough to have really good

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Speaker 1: it off as we go along. So it's like, in

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Speaker 1: a way, we're all we all have cancer.

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Speaker 2: Think yeah, because it's just cells that need tate, right,

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Speaker 2: So exactly all in our body. Yep. And so I'm

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Speaker 2: considered no evidence of disease.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful. That's the best news I heard today. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's get to it. What are some of the things.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what are the things people most often

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Speaker 2: You know, the biggest thing is probably depression. Depression and loneliness.

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Speaker 2: Those are the two. And let me tell you what

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Speaker 2: I didn't tell you, doctor Wendy is from all of this,

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Speaker 2: I started an app, a mental health app called You

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Speaker 2: Are a Warrior.

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Speaker 3: How does the app work?

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Speaker 1: What does it do so.

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Speaker 2: You spell it the letter. You are a wa R

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Speaker 2: R io R. It's a community. It's people sharing their

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Speaker 2: warrior stories because we all have a story, whether it's

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Speaker 2: substance abuse, depression, anxiety, loneliness. People get on and share.

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Speaker 2: We have live coaches, we have AI warrior coaches, and

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Speaker 2: we have daily motivation all the things that healed me

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Speaker 1: So we are suffering from an epidemic of isolation, an

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Speaker 1: epidemic of isolation, and especially with gen Z. I saw

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Speaker 1: statistic recently that gen Z spends less than one thousand

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Speaker 3: All right, and oh wow.

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Speaker 1: So the young people we really need to reach out

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Speaker 1: to more than anything. If you could give us some thoughts,

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Speaker 1: some of your wisdom on the best ways we can

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Speaker 1: has some social support around us that needs to pull

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Speaker 2: I would say, you know what, go and have real

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Speaker 2: phone down. I know that is just, but go and

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Speaker 2: do some activities. Go bike, riding together, go bowling together,

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Speaker 2: gen z, go to a walk, go to a dance party.

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Speaker 2: Stop just being on your phone looking on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook,

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Speaker 2: like Snapchat, like really, get to know someone, go eat

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Speaker 2: pizza together. Like that's advice because people are really suffering

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Speaker 3: It has to be on us.

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Speaker 1: But I do want to say to people who do

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Speaker 3: And I thought, why don't we have stuff like this anymore?

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Speaker 2: You know, I love that. I love that the treat

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Speaker 1: We need to adopt a graand Bear.

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Speaker 1: and let's talk a little bit about wellness. You know

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Speaker 1: it is Breast cancer Awareness month. You are a miracle story,

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Speaker 1: What advice would you give people women specifically during Breast

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Speaker 2: Check your boobies. Yeah, go and get mammograms. Don't be afraid. Right,

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Speaker 2: chancer is in a death sentence unless you want to

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Speaker 2: ignore things, don't do it. Go and check your breast,

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Speaker 2: Check it monthly. I do it. I raise my arm

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Speaker 2: A mammogram everywhere? Yes, please repeat that, yes, yes, yes, And.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're not right, they don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets sick. You won't you won't.

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Speaker 1: You also changed your diet enormously. What was your diet

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like I started to get nasty headaches

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're so happy for you, brashn. I think it's

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Speaker 1: wonderful news. Can you give us information about where people

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Speaker 2: Yes? Thank you so On Instagram LinkedIn everywhere you spell

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Speaker 2: my name b E R s h A N. That's

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Speaker 2: the first name, last name Shaw Shaw. And the app

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Speaker 2: it's in the app store, Google Store. But you got

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Speaker 2: to write it all together, the letter you, the letter R,

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Speaker 2: the letter A warrior, W A R R io R

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Speaker 2: and it's everywhere. Right. It's a community of support because

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Speaker 3: It's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I tell my students is that

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Speaker 3: But it's not lifelong.

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Speaker 1: It's not always a personality disorder that you know characterizes

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Speaker 2: That's it. Then you get better exactly. I love how

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love that you get better.

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Speaker 2: Well. Thanks you for support and get that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much for joining us for Shan Shaw,

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Speaker 1: and that brings the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show to a close.

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