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Speaker 1: KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp The

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Speaker 1: House Whisper on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Dean Sharp

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Speaker 1: The House Whisper, Custom home Builder, custom home Designer, and

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Speaker 1: your guide to better understanding that place where you live today.

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Speaker 1: On the show, we're talking about thinking and designing like

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Speaker 1: a house whisper. How do certain designers get under the

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Speaker 1: skin of your home and really understand it in a

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Speaker 1: way that nobody else looking at it has been able

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Speaker 1: to figure out?

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I want you to be a part of that process,

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Speaker 1: So I'm giving you some principles to begin your designer

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Speaker 1: renovation process with ones that I don't want you to

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Speaker 1: skip over, not if you really, really really want to

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Speaker 1: see the best possible results for the best use of

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Speaker 1: your budget. And we all have limited budgets. We all do,

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Speaker 1: and so I want to make the most of it.

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Speaker 1: And it may be a little unconventional at moments, but nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: that's how we get to the best answers to turn

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Speaker 1: a house that is ordinary into something extraordinary. See extraordinary

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Speaker 1: Extraordinary It means thinking sometimes outside of the box. It

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Speaker 1: means doing things that aren't ordinary. Doesn't mean that we're

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Speaker 1: going to turn it into some wild, weird you know art,

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Speaker 1: you know, modern art, abstract creation. That's not what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about at all. What we're talking about is the

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Speaker 1: process of how to figure out how to get the

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Speaker 1: house where you want it to go, where you want.

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Speaker 3: It to be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so uh, we are in the midst of that conversation.

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Speaker 1: But guess what, it's middle of the show, which means

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Speaker 1: it's time to go to the phones and take a

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Speaker 1: few calls. And the number to reach me, by the way,

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Speaker 1: for your call is eight three three two. Ask Dean

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Speaker 1: A three three the numeral two, Ask Dean A three

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Speaker 1: three two, and then you just spell out ask Dean

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Speaker 1: our call screener is standing by, and there's room for

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Speaker 1: you on the board. Give me a call. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk to Erica. Hey, Erica, welcome home.

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Speaker 3: Hi, good morning Dean. So my question is we have

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Speaker 3: this fireplace and it was on last night. We let

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Speaker 3: it run its course throughout the night, and then early

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Speaker 3: this morning, roughly around four am, we smelled smoke or

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Speaker 3: ash all around the house. Granted the heater was on,

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Speaker 3: and we're wondering what can be done.

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Speaker 1: Ah, so, wood burning fireplace? Yes, what and you had

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Speaker 1: it on last night and you just ran it and

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Speaker 1: you just kind of let it cool off and do

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Speaker 1: its thing overnight and this morning. Now, let me ask you,

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Speaker 1: did you close the damper at any time last night?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Is this a reoccurring thing that happens with this

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Speaker 3: It's the second time. A little vision of the house.

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Speaker 3: It's a high ceiling house. What else can I say?

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Speaker 3: It's the three bedroom kitchen, open kitchen to the living room.

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Speaker 3: Uh see, the damper was open, the door to the

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Speaker 3: fireplace was closed, the heater was running throughout the night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right. So here's the thing about fireplaces, wood

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't surprise me that you woke up to

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Speaker 1: That that's fine. You know, you didn't do anything wrong. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Just understand, when the heater gets on, whatever's happening in

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Speaker 1: far as the pervasiveness of the smell of the ash

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Speaker 1: And it's heating up the chimney as it does that,

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Speaker 1: and the air with the damper open, the air and

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Speaker 1: So now what we have is we have a breeze

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Speaker 1: So that's the trick with it. With dousing a fire

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Speaker 1: fire because cold air has now come down the chimney

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Speaker 1: make sure the damper is open. B make sure that

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Speaker 1: your wood burning fireplace is getting regularly cleaned. If you

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Speaker 1: use it for woodburning, you should be having a chimney

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Speaker 1: sweep company cleaning out the creosote and the build up

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Speaker 1: on the inside of the flu. And that, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is a massive portion of the odor that is locked

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Speaker 1: into a fireplace is the creosote build up up the flu.

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Speaker 1: So having a chimney sweep regularly maintain the flu, making

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Speaker 1: good and healthy and so on. And then another thing.

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Speaker 1: These days, we're weather stripping our homes and air sealing

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Speaker 1: take a device like a traditional woodburning fireplace, which is

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Speaker 1: fully air sealed home. Then what happens is there can

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Speaker 1: be an issue of you know, the fire wants hot

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Speaker 1: air wants to go up the flu off the fire itself,

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Speaker 1: but that air has to be replaced. If that air

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Speaker 1: that sometimes we're over sealed on our homes, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: we just leave the damp or open a little too

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Speaker 1: longer overnight and the cold air descends. I got a

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Speaker 1: couple more thoughts on Erica, but I realize I'm right

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Speaker 4: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from

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Speaker 4: KFI AM six forty.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about at the beginning of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Here getting a fresh start, fresh start on approaching your remodel,

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Speaker 1: your design project, thinking like a house whisper, thinking like

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Speaker 1: the way that a designer who's there to help you

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Speaker 1: really really get to the heart of what will change

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Speaker 1: your home significantly for the better. We're going to return

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Speaker 1: to that conversation in a bit, but it's mid show,

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Speaker 1: so I'm taking calls. I've got Erica on the line.

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Speaker 1: Erica had some issues with her wood burning fireplace. Erica,

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Speaker 1: any of the things I said before the break here

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Speaker 1: the cause for the smoke infiltrating the house.

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Speaker 3: The thing that I could add is that the open space,

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Speaker 3: it's so quiet. We can't even hear the rain outside,

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Speaker 3: So the fields are definitely doing their job. We have

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Speaker 3: large windows opening to the backyard and we can't hear

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Speaker 3: a single noise to the outside. Ye, it's definitely well built,

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Speaker 3: noise resistant and sealed up with you know, no air

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Speaker 3: draft coming by. So it seems like the reasonable solution

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Speaker 3: would be to close the damper and maybe crack a window.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would not be a bad thing at all.

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Speaker 1: Crack a window as close to the fireplace as possible

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Speaker 1: as it's doing it's cool down, and maybe avoid using

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Speaker 1: the you know, having the heater circulating for a while

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Speaker 1: until it you know, you've had a chance to you know,

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Speaker 1: completely damp out those ashes for the fireplace. It's a

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Speaker 1: to think, like I was saying right before the break,

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Speaker 1: love them, love them, love them. But a wood burning,

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Speaker 1: open hearth traditional fireplace is you know, a nine hundred

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Speaker 1: are some physics incongruities with having an you know, eight

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Speaker 1: if you're wondering, you're listening, and you're wondering, is he

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Speaker 1: is he is he implying that fireplaces work better in leaky,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. They actually function better. The leakier and the

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Speaker 1: incongruent with those kinds of environments. So you know, we've

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Speaker 1: had fires in our midst for you know, well over

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Speaker 1: four hundred thousand years. But the actual fireplace, the mantle

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Speaker 1: a chimney handling a lot of the smoke. But again,

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Speaker 1: into the house. And so making sure the damper is closed,

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Speaker 1: making sure something is cracked nearby. It's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: And or if you really want to get more use

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Speaker 1: out and Erica, I'm going to be the last person

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Speaker 1: in the world to poo poo a wood burning fireplace,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, if you actually want to use

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the program today this first

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Dayton, Good morning sir. How can I help you?

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Speaker 5: Well, a few days ago, the spout that delivers water

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Speaker 6: Inside it, I can see what looked like completely corroded

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Speaker 5: I figure I'll have to replace that nipple that goes

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Speaker 2: Yes, now, the spout is a casting and I think

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Speaker 1: you're right. The change has to happen. The changeover has

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your question. Good luck on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And we're going to continue that conversation in just a bit.

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Speaker 1: Because it's yours, that's why. Because it's the HQ of

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Speaker 7: My house was built in nineteen fifty five, and I

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Speaker 7: Put on, and I think he should have put down

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they should. They should have put the plywood

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Speaker 1: absolute standard practice for all tear offs and redos when

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Speaker 1: there was a previous shingle slat setup before. That's how

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Speaker 1: I have never seen a roofer not do that when

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Speaker 7: Okay, thank you?

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Speaker 1: All right, it was this a friend or a neighbor

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Speaker 7: Now a pro roofer, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, uh I think that, uh that justifies a

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Speaker 1: to It's not the right way to do it at

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Speaker 1: all at all.

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Speaker 7: Okay, okay, okay, yes, I appreciate your answer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Gwen, thank you. I'm sorry for that bad news.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, wow, wow, who does that, Tina, Who does

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Speaker 1: a tear off on a roof with slats and doesn't

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Speaker 1: add the OSB these days? That is that's concerning. That's

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Speaker 1: very concerning. But it was a Proroofer, and I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: they had a contract and they can get him up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hopefully there's a contract and a license and insurance. And

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Speaker 1: because that's that, that could be an argument that because

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Speaker 1: that's not standards and practices. Now, that's that's not even

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Speaker 1: an option. It's just not the right way to do it.

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Speaker 1: All right, do we have time for another call? We

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Speaker 1: mun We're kind of up against it here, all right?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 1: Heck, Alan, welcome home. I've got very very short window here.

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Speaker 1: How can I help you? Sir?

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Speaker 8: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Hi, Alan?

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Speaker 8: Oh, I'm sorry I didn't I was away. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 8: I'm getting ready to do a bathroom remodel and I

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Speaker 8: was looking at this watch circulating pump. I live in

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Speaker 8: a twelve hundred and forty square foot house. It is

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Speaker 8: pretty well designed, kitchen on one side, and launder room

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Speaker 8: and then two back to back bathrooms, so I don't

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Speaker 8: have a long travel. I don't know if the watch

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Speaker 8: is going to be worth the investment of putting it in.

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Speaker 8: It costs three hundred plus you know, electrical wiring, and

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Speaker 8: I don't know if the cost factor was going to

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Speaker 8: be worth it.

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Speaker 1: With the house is small, well, it's a question of

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Speaker 1: it's a question of how long does it take for

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Speaker 1: the hot water to get to those thinks and those showers,

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Speaker 1: and whether that's a massive inconvenience for you.

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Speaker 8: It's not a massive inconvenience. It doesn't take that long,

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Speaker 8: but it does take a little bit of time waiting.

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Speaker 8: And I just was thinking about it while I was

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Speaker 8: doing the getting ready to do the remodel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, Yeah, I understood. You know in the in

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Speaker 1: the content, you know, all sitting all by itself, putting

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Speaker 1: in a research pump. And by the way, what Alan's

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Speaker 1: talking about is the is the you these new recirculation

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Speaker 1: pumps that you can add into a bathroom at a location,

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Speaker 1: the far location in order to draw hot water through

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Speaker 1: the pipes so that you're not waiting for hot waters.

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Speaker 1: Therefore you're not wasting water in trying to just run

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Speaker 1: it down the sink, because it takes the cold water

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Speaker 1: out of the hot water line that has cooled off

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Speaker 1: and it pushes it into the cold water line. So

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Speaker 1: you get to keep the water, but you get hot

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Speaker 1: water closer to your faucet. And the big question, Alan

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Speaker 1: is is just simply in the cost of a remodel,

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Speaker 1: three hundred bucks is pretty minor fractional add to it.

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Speaker 1: But again, this is for people who are really inconvenience

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Speaker 1: with waiting a long time for the hot water to arrive.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 1: If it isn't that big of a deal, maybe not.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like it, it's not too much, all right.

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Speaker 1: When we return, we'll get back to our conversation about

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Speaker 1: thinking like a house whisper. But first this this has

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