WEBVTT - 11-20-25 Sloan with Seth Walsh 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.519 You want to be an American back half the week, 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.680 got a love it Sloanely seven hundred WLW and a 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.440 big sports weekend head more on that a little bit 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.760 later and news involving Joe Burrow will have that covered 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:12.560 for you this morning. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.680 Could be maybe possibly will we see him in action 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.239 against the Patriots of New England on Sunday. So you're 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:23.040 saying there's a chance before that. The city wants to 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:24.880 move forward on a plan to finish the banks, but 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.200 the county says we're broke, it's not a priority, and 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.920 we've got more disagreement between the county and the city. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.760 The plan calls for up to eight hundred million dollars 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.040 in redevelopment over the next fifteen years to complete the 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.839 five remaining lots at the now twenty year old banks. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.720 And we have a new twist Council unanimously approving four 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.200 million to buy the former free store food bank location 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:49.879 on Central Parkway that's next to TQL that's causing speculation 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.839 as a possible site for a new arena. All this 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.840 and more. He is the development guy on City Council. 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.840 That would be council Member Seth Walsh on the Scotslane show. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:00:59.959 Soeth, good morning. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.240 How are you moring, Scott see how Man? 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:03.959 Yeah, doing well. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.480 Lots to unpack here, and this is so in your wheelhouse, obviously, 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.360 let's start with this new information about buying the four 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.520 million dollars a lot. I'm looking at the aerial on 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.160 Google Earth of this thing. I'm looking at it, going okay, well, uh, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:21.440 it's next to public television, public radio. Across the street 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.080 is Queen City Radio, so it's in the shadows of 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.520 TQL Stadium. But I'm trying to see how you fit 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.640 an arena in there? Can you do it? If CET 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.800 goes away? Although I know they just spent a ton 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.200 of money on their their remodel. The other side of 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.200 this is a Duke Energy substation that's not movable. You've 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.400 got houses behind it. The neighbors don't want this going 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.920 across Central Avenue and keep it on Central Parkway. Is 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.360 this the site for a future arena? 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:50.920 I mean it could be very well, could be. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.280 Yeah, it's one of the sites, and you know, Scott 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.440 to take a look at it. You know, it's identified 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.360 in the arena study that was done last year in 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.720 twenty twenty four as one of the four cential sites 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.600 for where we could be putting an arena, including the 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.640 existing location. And that's why this acquisition is so important, 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.040 even if it ultimately doesn't become an arena. Let's get 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.000 control of the land so we can have that conversation 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.919 and we can drive this conversation and make sure that 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.360 we are evaluating all the options and we don't ultimately 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.320 get strung out with somebody having control of a valuable 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.200 parcel that we want if we want to put an 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:23.720 area there. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:24.960 So yeah, it absolutely could be an. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.320 Arena possibility there. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.080 So moving some stuff right of course, you know, we 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.360 know what's going on with the public public media. CET 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.560 owns the building in the air rights, the city owns 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.320 the land itself. Cost about fifty million dollars to move 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.280 this thing, and you know you got to come up 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.240 with fifty million. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:40.680 Dollars to do that. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.359 If that's a possibility, then certainly you could put that 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.240 right next to TQL Sadam and almost like what you know, 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.560 putting the arena next to pay Corp, which I think 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.799 would be great, But we're not going to do that obviously. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:55.959 Because now you can share facilities, you can share infrastructure 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.360 that that's good, But doesn't that then take away what 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.400 we're talking about from the Banks, Because I'm sure that 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.760 the entities at the Banks, and now you're negotiating with 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.200 the county on this, want to keep the arena in 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.560 its present location. A new arena if they're to build it, 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:11.200 why spend all the money in the Banks. If you're 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.400 going to build an arena in the West. 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.800 End, well, the Banks, regardless of whether there's an arena 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.560 there or not. They already have two stadiums, so it's 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.040 not like we would be taking all the supporting opportunities 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.560 away from there if it did move, which again is 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.519 not even close to being decided. And I think there's 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.320 a very real conversation you have about the arena staying 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.880 at the Banks, and there's some interesting r renderings put 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:32.800 out about that recently. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:35.320 But if it. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:36.800 Moved off the Banks, I think that's part of the 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:38.640 larger conversation we need to have about the Banks. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.240 This is the front bord to our city and it's. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.360 The last great frontier of how we can really rebuild 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.280 the downtown right on the river, how people are coming 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.280 into the city of Cincinnati, and the opportunities there. I 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.120 think we need to be envisioning in a way that 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.760 is more than just expecting sports teams spill to keep 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:55.720 it alive and active. 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.800 Frankly, which is what gets me excited about the plan. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.640 Is this also maybe leverage because you know, the county 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.960 stand we're broke, it's not a priority. The ferris wheel 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.520 will screw up the Freedom Center on all these other things, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:09.800 and you guys so far to the man and women 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.280 on city Council. You want to move forward like yesterday 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.320 on this bank thing, and the County's not going to 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:18.160 go anywhere. You need both entities to go. Is this possible? 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.400 This four million dollar land by at the free Store 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.359 in Central Avens that a way for you to go. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.120 Hey, listen, we've got some leverage here. 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:27.960 I don't see this as a leverage play. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.560 I see this as having a vision for what we 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.800 want Cincinnati to become and I think for the future 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.400 of Cincinnati for the next ten to fifteen years. To 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.919 really put us on the national stage, we need to 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.880 have an arena and we need to have a thriving banks. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:41.680 I don't think it's an. 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.919 Either or, and I think either location, any of the 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.320 locations for the arena helped solve that problem. But we 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.520 can't just build an arena and not be solving the 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.760 banks situation. Yeah, and likewise, we can't solve the bank 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.120 situation and not hav an arena for the city. So 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.919 my opinion on this is this is called vision and 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.000 this is called leadership, and it's not trying to leverage 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.400 or play anybody off each other. It's trying to move 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.520 our city and our region forward. And I'm really excited 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.680 about that because that's what we need. We need that 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:10.720 type energy right now. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.120 Seth. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:16.360 You can't control what you take your contemporaries over at 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.520 the county are doing by they stretch of the imagination. 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.200 You don't control them. But can you do an arena? 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.640 Can the City of Cincinnati do an arena without county involvement? 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.760 You know a lot of people say no. My answer 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.080 would be, you know, Scott, you and I have talked 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.760 of development a lot. Every development project you begin on 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.920 is hard and it's complicated, and it takes a lot 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.200 of creativity to figure out how you get there. It's 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.360 a lot easier for the counties at the table, But 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.320 if it's not at the table, then that means we 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.240 have to get more creative on how we solve the problem. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.080 And I think it's something we have to commit to 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.200 as a city in the region and then figure out 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.720 the answers to it regardless. Look at what we did 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.880 with the convention center. Three hundred million dollars. That wasn't 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.400 found overnight, and it wasn't found from one source, And 0:05:58.680 --> 0:05:59.960 that's what I think is going to take to do 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.159 the arena. I would like the county to come to 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:03.560 the table. I would like the county to be part 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.279 of this conversation. I would like them to be driving 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.240 the conversation. But I also think that the city should 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.279 be prepared to figure out ways to fund it even 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.520 if the county doesn't come there. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.680 What does that look like relative to financing? Is there 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.520 significant private money involved? As there worth a TQL that 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.000 you can be confident in saying we got enough private 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:22.800 money to pull that on. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.320 Well, you're asking a question much further down the line 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.000 than is the reality right now. Again, we're at the 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.040 very beginning stages of the arena conversation. But in the Arena. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.000 Study it does specifically. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.839 Call out that modern day arenas are being built with 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.400 about one third of it coming from private money. Yes, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.600 I mean that is in the tunes of hundreds of 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.880 millions of dollars. So no, this would not be a 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.560 pure public funded project, and it would be a project 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.560 that would require private epsteins to get involved. It require 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.080 figuring out how we keep it occupied throughout the entire year, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.520 so it's not just sitting there vacant. There's some really 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.880 good questions to it, but again it's something we have 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.880 to commit to. Once you commit to it, it's like 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:02.839 anything in development. You say we're going to do it, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.000 and you figure out how you're going to do it 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:04.680 from there, what. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:05.760 Is the timeline in your mind? 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:08.279 So it's up to me. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.520 As Jerry said, it would have been two weeks ago, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.000 you know, we had been doing this. I think I 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.800 think this needs to be the priority of the next 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.000 term for city Council, for the mayor. So I think 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.480 by twenty twenty nine we need to have answers and 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.160 I'd love to see shovels in the ground by then. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.840 All Right, I'm talking to council Member Seth Walsh of 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.880 Cincinnati City Council on the show. With the news that 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.480 the city's purchased land at near TQL Stadium, speculation is 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.080 that maybe in arena could go there, Seth Walsh not 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.840 rulling that out. Money is the question because typically as 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.440 a county and city enterprise. But we can move forward 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.480 without the county involvement here, which is interesting because Commissioner 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.000 Alsha Reese said on the show, you know, we're kind 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:48.640 of broke right now, We're gonna have the money, worried 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:52.000 about tax payers and property taxes going up on all 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.000 this other stuff, and other members said it's not even 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.360 on our radar right now. Denise Dreehouse, the President said no, 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.120 probably not. And that's just the best banks let alone arena. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.440 The banks have come before in arena if they have money. 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.240 Do the banks they certainly don't have money to do 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.000 an arena. Let's focus on the banks thing. How do 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.600 you move this forward if they're reluctant or just say 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:14.440 simply we don't have the cash. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.080 That's a million dollar question, isn't it. The banks has 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.679 never been done exclusively by the county. It has always 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.840 been done through a partnership. I think the conversation that 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:26.560 needs to be had and is happening now. There's a 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.000 steering committee that brought this plan together. If there's a 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.800 steering committee that suggests these ideas. It is a lot 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.080 of stakeholders, ranging from members of the Bangles and the 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.800 Reds to those who are on the banks. Already two 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.120 members of the city in the county, so it's not 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.839 like that this is not a conversation actively happening between 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.320 the city and the county. What we have to do 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.880 is keep pushing and from a city perspective, continue to 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.400 provide support. You challenge the leaders who are in the room, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.400 who are doing the planning and making these things reality, 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.360 to go out and find us these projects and these 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.240 developments and then come back to us and tell us 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.440 what it takes to get the to happen. The resources 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.559 exist for development, we see it all the time. You 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:06.560 don't have to talk about a number of times right 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.080 to do that, we need the projects being brought to us. 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.120 And so there are people including Phil Becker, came presented 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.679 about this who this is their job to go make 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.800 the plan of reality now and that's how this happens. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:20.400 And when they come to us and they say, hey, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.720 we've got a building, this is what it takes, then 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.800 we start answering the question how we get there, whether 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.240 that's through subsidies, whether that's through cras, whether that's through whatever, 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.080 we start answering at that stage, says Walsh. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.640 Denise Treehouse, the commissioned president, said this thing would be 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.200 twenty four up to twenty four stories, and she was 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.800 reluctant to agree with that because she worries about blocking daylight. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.880 This sounds like I don't know Hyde Park on the River, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:46.280 doesn't it. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.840 And that's my comment that I made during council. Obviously 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.040 we had different meetings to discuss the same topic. But 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.239 downtown is designed to be built big. It is designed 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.240 for these towns ours. It is you know when you 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.560 walk around the banks, as walk around it this morning, 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.679 you know, these eleven twelve story buildings feel small because 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.520 they're dwarfed by the towers that we already have downtown, 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.680 and so I don't agree with that assessment. I think 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.800 that the reality is we need to build height and 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.360 we you know, the bigger we build it, the more 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.000 people are going to live there, the more bustling it's 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:19.840 going to be, the more successful our downtown is going 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.160 to be. And I think that we need to keep 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.200 that perspective of what is built already feels small and 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:25.560 it's not. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.120 If you took what was built there. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.000 You drop it in say Hi Park, as you were 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.920 just alluded to, it'd be you know, twice the three 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.839 times as tall as what we're talking about building in 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:35.640 High Park already. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:38.360 So it's not small, but it feels small. We need 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.400 to do better on the banks. We need to do better. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.400 Okay, the specific plans for this thing, it's going to 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.120 be up to a twelve hundred new housing units, obviously 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.400 high rise and condos and stuff like that. There's gonna 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:52.199 be hotel there, plus retail and entertainment as we mentioned, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.480 up to twenty four stories tall. The new lease with 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.719 the Bengals allows for the taller buildings. Couldn't do that 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.880 before because they had rights to the airspace or so 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.960 ungodly reason. But you're talking about over these five lots 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.760 doing a lot of different things in that regard. People 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.280 are hearing this and go away in a minute now. 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:10.840 Unlike what you were talking about with maybe new arena 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.679 in the West End. This is taxpayer money. And how 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.240 would taxpayers feel about subsidizing luxury housing? 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:17.840 Is it? 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.360 Will they be pushed back in the city on that? 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:22.120 There certainly could be. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.200 And again you're we're going down a pathway of assuming 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:26.920 what is going to be there. What needs to be 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.400 there is housing, and what that type of housing looks 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.920 like is a question the developer needs to tell us. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.960 I'm a big proponent of just adding density to it 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.520 and what that looks like. Let's figure it out, you 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.959 know as well as I do. The more density you have, 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.640 the less usually end up meeting per minute because it 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.680 can support it. That's why one of the big questions 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.320 I asked was, let's not captus the twenty four stories. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.240 We keep saying up to twenty four stories. It may 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:53.520 need to be bigger than that. And I think we 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:54.959 should be okay with that, and I think we should 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.960 be open to that conversation because we want these projects 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.600 to work, and if money is tight and being we 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.079 want to be protective of the public money. We make 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:04.800 sure that these can cash flow and make it make 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.839 sense and the developer wants to take it on. I mean, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.240 ultimately that's the goal here. And if we make it 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.480 difficult for the development to happen, then yeah, we're gonna 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:12.760 have to come up with a lot of subsidies and 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.000 so there's a balancing act here. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.520 Yeah. I think it's really cool, is my daughter. Last 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:20.320 month was in Minneapolis visiting a friend in her place. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.280 Is like looking literally looking over the stadium and the ballpark, 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.760 and I was like, man, that's really really cool to 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.520 be able to look down and you know, and a 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:30.520 lot of people, a lot of young people especially love that. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:32.920 And that's kind of what you're proposing here. I know 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.760 a lot of cities, major League cities have that, and 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.520 I tend to agree with disass Stars watched on that 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.520 as like it's twenty four to two short, it may 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.200 and not be tall enough in that regard. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.360 Yeah, I mean, when I walked around downtown, one of 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:48.319 the things I think about it. 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.520 Maybe it's just because you know, this is what I 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.640 think about. I guess it's like, man, it would be 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:53.960 so cool to them there. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.079 When we were designing the downtown, when we were building 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.000 the towers for the first time, and we were creating 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.199 the skyline. That's the opportunity that's in front of us. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.319 And we're talking about five plots of big acreage writing 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:09.400 the heart of downtown literally two blocks south of you. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.880 Know, the core of downtown. We can do that. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:13.920 We can build the next one hundred hundred and fifty 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:15.720 years of what Cincinnati is going to look like and 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.079 feel like and what young people are going. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.880 To want to be part of. You're right overlooking these stadiums. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.079 You're you know, going out on Tuesday. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.560 Night because they're living right there, like really making it 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.160 something cool that people are traveling around the country to see. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.240 That's an amazing opportunity. Like what's not recited that it's 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.319 not just five parcels. It's like a huge opportunity for 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:34.640 the next hundred years of Cincinnati. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:37.599 Okay, A legitimate question here about the timeline is the 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.319 banks is already twenty years old. The stadiums are over 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.520 twenty years old. At this point, we know everything has 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.360 a certain longevity unless you're talking maybe I don't know, 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.320 the Horseshoe, Fenway Park, Wrigley Field. These are not those 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.880 kind of facilities Great American and pay Corps, respectively. So 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.760 we're already twenty years into this thing. Another fifteen years 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.760 makes it thirty five. At some point, are we building 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:02.480 something for the future when the future with those stadiums 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:03.439 may have to change. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:07.559 Well, And that's that's the point that I made earlier. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.199 You know, what we need to be designing the banks 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.440 for as longevity and It needs to not be just 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.680 exclusively is there an arena, Are there stadiums there? What's 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.640 the sport team doing for this day? It needs to 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.440 be designed around a place that people are going to 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.640 want to live and stay and be part of. You 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.240 think about four Street or we're seeing a lot of 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.000 development and activity happening, people moving to it. You know, 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.480 they're there because the buildings are beautiful. They're there because 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.280 they're walkable to everything that you want to do in 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.120 the downtown area. And that's always going to be the 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.400 case with downtown. That's the same question we have to 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.680 be answering with the Banks. It's not just about pay 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.160 Court Stadium. It is about the future of who's going 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.760 to stay and want to live there. Again, that's a 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.440 really cool, exciting opportunity for me. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.280 It is at the same time, you know, in circling 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.360 back to the question about the arena, with the purchase 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.120 of the property Seth Walsh at near TQL Stadium, then 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:55.720 a new arena could go there and you could do 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.840 it without county participation, which I think is causing a 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.000 lot of people to maybe give the radio their speaker's 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.840 side eye this morning, their heads on the little side 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.360 eye right now and go, WHOA, that was a bomb. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.960 How much weight do the Reds, the Bengals and the 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.520 Banks Working Group have in this whole equation? Now we 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.120 know that the contract was needed negotiated to allow twenty 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.840 four stories or more to go up because the Bengals 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.840 would control that. But there's a lot of stuff these lots, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.040 it looks like, you know, talgating lots and things like 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.040 that that the Bengals have a say in. The Reds 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:24.320 obviously carry a lot of weight in this equation too, 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.560 as well as those who invested with the Bank's Working 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:31.400 Group and what's already down there regarding that, whether it's 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.080 expansion of what we're talking about here or the arena, 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:37.480 how much do they have a saying where or else 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.800 it's going to go and how it's gonna work out. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.080 I mean, when you say how much do they have 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.520 to say? Are you talking about the arena? Are you 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:44.240 talking about. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.480 Well, well, development of the banks, but also let's factor 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.360 the arena. Let's start with that seth. I mean, can 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.240 they just say, hey, we're you're not gonna put this 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:52.520 in the West End, You're gonna put it at the 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.760 Banks and you're gonna we're going to tear down the 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.520 tired Heritage Bank Center and maybe it's two years, but 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.560 we're going to put a new one here. And that's 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.720 what we've decided because we're the power brokers. I think 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.360 a lot of people think that's the case inside the 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:06.560 inside city Hall. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:07.080 Is that true? 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.960 Well, when you talk about the arena, and as we 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.480 talked about the arena study earlier, you know a third 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.440 of that, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars that's 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.320 probably gonna have to come from private entities to make 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:18.000 that a reality. 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.480 And that's gonna be a big part of the conversation. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:21.720 If if the. 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.840 Private money that's coming to the table says we're not 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.400 building it at this location, X, Y, and Z wherever 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.960 that is, guess what, It's not gonna be built there 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:30.400 because you're not gonna get private money. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.160 If if they're saying that's not where it can go. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.560 So if the power brokers quote unquote whoever that is 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:36.960 in this conversation. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.680 H the illuminati said that's the Illuminati. We'll call it 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:40.280 what it is. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.120 Whatever we want to call it. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.320 If they want to go a certain location, they're gonna 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:45.760 have to come to the table too. I mean that's 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.800 the thing for the arena, for the banks were we're 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.440 not adversaries here. We all trying to run the same direction. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.560 And if you have a vision where you want to go, 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:55.080