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Speaker 1: always then to win. The US women have now won

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Speaker 2: So that's pretty convincing.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, four girls with Pittsburgh connections on this team.

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Speaker 1: And Tom and I spoke earlier, the women's hockey director

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Speaker 1: for Penzy Eleet is Sean Sweesum, the former Steelers kicker,

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Speaker 1: so ghost Steelers, he's Canadian, he's a trader.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see the TV ratings for.

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Speaker 1: That US Canada women's hockey game, curious to see what

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Speaker 1: Hillary Knight tying the game, and she's been on that

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Speaker 1: US team forever, she's won it all and got several

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Speaker 1: I think that that is the most overused word in sports,

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Speaker 1: One of my friends just texted me that fish sandwich

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now I need all the help I can get to

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm sorry I said it, because now people will

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Speaker 1: A report I just read Malik Willis is reportedly talking

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Speaker 1: any better than me last year, and now he's another

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Speaker 1: even though I talk about it one tenth as much

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Speaker 1: I'd make Rogers decide by March ninth. That's when legal

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, Well, Flacco is still under contract to Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: or Kirk Cousins. You think those guys have the NFL

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Speaker 1: beating the path to their door to hire them. No,

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Speaker 1: what you think about him. You think they're better than

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Speaker 1: they probably will be, but I think they are better.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder what other teams think of the Pirates,

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Speaker 1: if like the National League Central teams, the good teams

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Speaker 2: Skins was ten and ten last year. We know that,

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Speaker 1: and Skins could easily have this Light's via Blue in

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Speaker 1: William Shatner, who's somehow still alive, played Captain Kirkland Star Trek.

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Speaker 1: Warp Speed, Mister Effings Sulu Audernized students Audernized High School

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Speaker 3: And now the super genius Mark Maddina, How.

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Speaker 2: Mace is always a component of any nice date. Thank

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Speaker 1: Five minutes in with our watch party. It's USA one

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Speaker 1: Slovakia nil Slovakia being played off the rink, the US

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Speaker 2: In fact, it may already be happening.

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Speaker 1: The goal by Dylan Larkin Lavige the the goalie for

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Speaker 1: seen a report that Cam Heyward is gonna once again

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Speaker 1: I'm just so tired of Cam, just so tired of

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Speaker 2: Get in a fight.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. The guy who wants to fight is

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Speaker 1: sure this is a revenge game though, not like Slovakia

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Speaker 1: The NBA commissioner Adam Silver, he told all thirty teams

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Speaker 1: that there's going to be anti tanking rules next year,

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Speaker 1: How about this for an idea, the teams that don't

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Speaker 2: What else you could do.

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Speaker 1: Somebody justgested a system where once you're mathematically eliminated from

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Speaker 4: Boy, Jerry. You recently discussed a low probability Penguins goal

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Speaker 2: Even though it was close, it was clearly on side.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't, I don't do the do the ref

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Speaker 4: I thought it was the situation where they hand them

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it just it's not like Canada had like

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Speaker 1: the refereeing Newman, I don't think that that Finland got cheated.

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Speaker 2: I just think all the closet calls went one way,

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Speaker 1: To remind me, I mean, remember when the Steelers wanted Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think Baltimore got screwed.

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Speaker 1: I just think the Steelers happened to get every close

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Speaker 1: and so did Canada.

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Speaker 2: Terrific?

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Speaker 5: Right, exactly, exactly, just get off the high horse. He

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Speaker 2: One oh five nine.

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Speaker 1: It's Travis every weekday at ten am, starting your workday

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Speaker 1: commercial free on one O five ninety Nation. It's Combine

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Speaker 2: You can say it because it's true. It's damn true.

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Speaker 1: Joining me now to talk about the Stealers in About

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Speaker 1: Hockey from the Trip, it's Tim Benz. Tim, there's a

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're hearing.

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Speaker 6: I'm not hearing anything to that effect, but I'm anticipating it.

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Speaker 2: They didn't really acquiesce last year.

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Speaker 2: But he is thirty six.

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Speaker 6: The difference, though, is they've got what the eighth most

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Speaker 3: Least one more year with Cam and address some other positions. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Meanway, I ain't going nowhere next year anyway, But you're right,

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Speaker 6: It seems to be because you know, he's also used

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Speaker 1: I do, tim I know why, because they're marks. They're

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know Mike McCarthy well enough

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Speaker 6: You know, like the variable to this part of the conversation,

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Speaker 6: Now, the quick response you could give back to me

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Speaker 6: But you know, maybe he allows himself to not advocate

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Speaker 6: You know, mister, I can't walk off the field without

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Speaker 3: Okay, I buy that. There's plenty of reasons for you

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Speaker 6: If he gets the twenty twenty six version of the

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Speaker 1: But you see, I'd bring him in to be my

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Speaker 3: That's sort of where I'm going with.

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Speaker 6: The thought is you can get out from this deal,

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Speaker 3: From the Justin Fields deal.

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Speaker 6: And you know, even if you don't get out from

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Speaker 3: All right? So you give it. You give him.

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Speaker 3: All right, So you got one.

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Speaker 6: Bad year there, but you've got Will Howard and whoever

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Speaker 3: You're still not paying for a quarterback beside Sam. You

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Speaker 2: No, Mason Rudolph has one more year, correct?

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Speaker 3: I wait and I thought he he got he might

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has one more year for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's that's still nothing.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a chump change.

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Speaker 1: I I just I don't like that they have no

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Speaker 1: beyond next year. We're talking to Tim Benz of The Trib,

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Speaker 1: Tim bront tost by Calusi Chevrolet serving the Pittsburgh area

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Speaker 1: for one hundred and seven years. Tim, did the refscrew

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Speaker 3: Well, they absolutely do want that. Did they get screwed?

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Speaker 3: I heard you guys.

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Speaker 6: Going through the litany of calls that went in their direction.

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Speaker 6: I agree with your take that the high stick to

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Speaker 6: McKinnon was valid.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that.

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Speaker 3: You got to call that one. I did think he

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Speaker 3: was off sides though, didn't you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought celebrities skate was just on side.

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Speaker 3: It was very close.

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Speaker 6: Like I'm not gonna even if I was from Helsinki,

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Speaker 6: for God's sakes, I don't think I could look at

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Speaker 6: that play and say we got robbed, you know, like

455
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Speaker 6: it was borderline.

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Speaker 2: Well being that close.

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Speaker 1: You see, I always think that that a replay should

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Speaker 1: be used to overturn obvious errors, and that was not

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Speaker 1: an obvious error, right, So.

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Speaker 6: I can Like I said, even if I was from there,

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Speaker 6: I would probably say I could see why they didn't

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Speaker 6: take it off the board, especially I.

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Speaker 2: Know the restaurant from Helsinki.

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Speaker 1: Tim. In fact, they were both from Canada. And while

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Speaker 1: I don't think they screwed Finland, that's awful optics.

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Speaker 2: How can you do that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's one of the four officials was from Denmark

468
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Speaker 6: and the other three were NHL guys, right, I think? So?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? What was the third call that now I blanked on?

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Speaker 3: What was there?

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Speaker 1: There was like goalie interference on the second go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think that was goalie interference.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was real close.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have a problem with that one.

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Speaker 6: I am more in the camp of the off sides

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Speaker 6: than you. The other two I didn't have a problem with.

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Speaker 3: But yes, optically he doesn't. It doesn't look good well, I.

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Speaker 1: Gotta tell you, regardless of the calls, and it reminded

479
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Speaker 1: me of the Ravens game where the Steelers got all

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Speaker 1: the close calls and one because of that, but they

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Speaker 1: were all called correctly, I think. But I thought Canada

482
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Speaker 1: were worthy winners. They came from two nil down and

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Speaker 1: I thought that Finland tried too early to sit on

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Speaker 1: the lead.

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Speaker 2: What say you, Oh, I agree with that.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know if you were listening to the

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Speaker 6: broadcast as well, but they were all over for that too,

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Speaker 6: So you're not alone in that opinion, and not either

489
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Speaker 6: am I. And I'm watching CBUSA in Slovakia right now

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Speaker 6: and it.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't feel that way.

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Speaker 6: It feels like USA is up one nothing and it

493
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Speaker 6: should be more and they're trying to make it more

494
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Speaker 6: and it feels like Slovakia is just hanging on. But

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Speaker 6: barring a late goal here with about three and a

496
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Speaker 6: half minutes left to go, this is gonna be yet

497
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Speaker 6: another first period where you walk away saying, shouldn't the

498
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Speaker 6: US be winning by more?

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Speaker 3: They've had a lot of those games so far this

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Speaker 3: year in the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're suffocating Slovakia. They're getting nothing through the

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Speaker 1: neutral zone, and I think that's gotta be the game

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Speaker 1: plan against Canada. I think it's been the game plan

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Speaker 1: period because if you if you clog the neutral zone

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Speaker 1: as they are their size organically, and you have defensemen

506
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Speaker 1: that can move the puck, you're gonna get enough going

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Speaker 1: the other way quickly enough. The other way where where

508
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Speaker 1: it'll it'll pay off, and I think that is the

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Speaker 1: ticket against Canada. Are are people out of line for

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Speaker 1: saying local people you know who? For saying Sid shouldn't

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Speaker 1: play so he's one hundred percent for the Penguins. That's

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Speaker 1: just nuts to me. I don't think those guys should

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Speaker 1: be there. I don't think NHL assets should be risk

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Speaker 1: for no tangible return. But once you're there, you're there,

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Speaker 1: and he's not thinking about the Penguins.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that last line that she said is

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Speaker 6: you know, once you're there, you're there. And now you've

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Speaker 6: got Team Canada's doctors as the one saying yes or no.

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Speaker 6: And oh, by the way, the Penguins general managers right

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Speaker 6: there too.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Unless there's some sort of Yin and yang push and

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Speaker 6: pull there between Dubis and anybody who's making a call

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Speaker 6: medically for Team Canada, it's awful hard for me to

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Speaker 6: get on board with saying that he should.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's up to Sid period. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the Canadian way. I think they'll take Sid's

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Speaker 1: heart over there doctrine.

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Speaker 6: Uh. Now, as far as cop versus gold medal, I'm

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Speaker 6: much more about the Cup and I even wrote about

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Speaker 6: that today in the trip.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, me too. But but like I said,

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Speaker 2: they're there now.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and there's nothing to do to change that at

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Speaker 6: this point. And you know, if you're coming this close

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Speaker 6: where Apparently he even tried to skate today. That's how

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Speaker 6: ed Zoe referred to it with us on DVE. He

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Speaker 6: didn't say skate, he said tried to skate. So I

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Speaker 6: don't know what that means. But he's gonna attempt to

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Speaker 6: give it a go against the US for sure. Now,

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Speaker 6: I don't know how you feel about this.

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Speaker 3: I think I.

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Speaker 6: Heard you say a little bit in your opening with

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Speaker 6: Tom and this was a big talking point I had

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Speaker 6: with Seth.

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Speaker 3: Roberto covers the Pens for us in our podcast today.

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Speaker 6: Like Sid, I think might be best served, regardless of

548
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Speaker 6: if he plays against the Americans or not on Sunday,

549
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Speaker 6: just to be shut down for a little while coming back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, even if he plays Sunday.

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Speaker 1: But boy, like I said, the usual suspects will just

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Speaker 1: wet their pants. I mean, he's Canada's captain at the

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Speaker 1: freaking Olympics. People who say he should think about the penguins,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even thinking about the Penguins. I'm not even Canadian.

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Speaker 6: Well this is this could be one of these situations

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Speaker 6: where you know, he could cut it up and try

557
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Speaker 6: to figure out a way to navigate through sixty more

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Speaker 6: minutes of hockey. He might have even done that today

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Speaker 6: if today was the gold medal game. But that doesn't

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Speaker 6: mean you can play whatever the ridiculous stretch of hockey

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Speaker 6: they're gonna have on the back end of these Olympics

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Speaker 6: coming out of the break and play you know, ten

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Speaker 6: games in twenty two days.

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Speaker 1: My point is, I just think people cut some balls

565
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Speaker 1: acting like they should dictate what this guy does for

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Speaker 1: the sake of the Penguins when he is the effing Penguins,

567
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Speaker 1: and every bit of success they've had during his career,

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Speaker 1: he has been the primary catalyst.

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Speaker 6: Four Well, one thing I did hear you say, and

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Speaker 6: you're right about this, and Seth chronicled more than just

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Speaker 6: the example you gave, which is sid does have a

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Speaker 6: pretty extensive track record of if I ain't right, I'm

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Speaker 6: not going out there.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Game seven two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 6: The concussion stuff when he got hitting the face by

576
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Speaker 6: Brooks Orbit if you remember, he gamed one of the

577
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Speaker 6: ensuing playoffs against the Islanders because he thought had nothing

578
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Speaker 6: to do with the broken jaw. I just thought his

579
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Speaker 6: conditioning was off. There's another one that I'm failing. Oh,

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Speaker 6: I remember what it is, the core muscle injury right

581
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Speaker 6: before the shutdown.

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Speaker 3: He was not pushing it really really hard to get back.

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Speaker 6: Late in March then and then the league got shut

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Speaker 6: down anyway, which at the time we all thought was

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Speaker 6: a benefit for the Penguins.

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Speaker 3: Then they lost to qualifying round against the Canadians.

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Speaker 6: But those are all pretty tangible examples of what we're

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00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 6: talking about in similar situations.

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Speaker 1: And also an example of him putting winning first, as

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Speaker 1: opposed to him having to be the guy the reason

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Speaker 1: they do win. Tim real quick, who wins the gold medal?

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Speaker 1: What's your call?

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Speaker 3: I think Team USA is playing better right now.

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Speaker 1: I do too, And I think despite having not kept

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Speaker 1: some guys I would have like, like like caw Field

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Speaker 1: and Robertson Hudson. I think Canada bypassed guys like Bouchard

597
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Speaker 1: and Schaeffer. I don't think their defense moves the puck.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good match up on paper for

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Speaker 1: the US.

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Speaker 6: Not only that, but I don't think that sid In

601
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Speaker 6: this Olympics had the potential to be the difference maker

602
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Speaker 6: that he was in twenty ten, but she noticed it today.

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Speaker 6: I think him not being there to nil things it out,

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Speaker 6: things it out a little bit tunil.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the thing, sid at the moment of truth.

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Speaker 3: Oh Dge Thompson. Yeah, from one knee from the Sidney

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Speaker 3: Crosby one d spot is.

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Speaker 1: Still the guy I'd bet on the moment of truth,

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Speaker 1: that's Crosby. The trick will be for Canada to get

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Speaker 1: it to that moment of truth. Tim, great stuff. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of the tournament.

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Speaker 3: All right, Mark, we'll talk again on the podcast on Monday.

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Speaker 2: That's Tim Benz.

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Speaker 1: We got Jack Ham at the top of the hour

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Speaker 1: talking about the late great Mike Wagner one five ninety

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