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Speaker 1: Cincinnati. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to our three Cincy three to sixty ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's get right to it.

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Speaker 2: The Bearcats last night ninety one sixty two winners over

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Speaker 2: Kansas State on the road, their first road win of

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Speaker 2: the season. It just so happens now to fall the

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Speaker 2: day after that. We get to talk to our friend

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Speaker 2: from Bearcat Journal dot com, Kegan Nickoson, who joins us

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Keegan, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Hello Tony. I'm doing great, and I just want to

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Speaker 1: say one thing before we start. How dare you give

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Speaker 1: these people hope? After last night game? I did not

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Speaker 1: believe what you and Mo did well to this fan base.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Their number sixty one in the nut rankings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've been fifty and ten, Palm, this is

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Speaker 1: a mean anything, Kegan.

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Speaker 2: We're right there, We're on the cusp. It could be worse, right,

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Speaker 2: You could be a Kansas State fan today and had

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Speaker 2: to listen to Jerome Tang after the game last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I couldn't believe that. That's like I've

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Speaker 1: heard some of West's press conferences and I've kind of said, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is this is not great. There might need to

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Speaker 1: be some media training and then like as a coach

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Speaker 1: when you're one to nine. But like you've seen Nick

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Speaker 1: Cronin say something like that, but he's like ten games

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Speaker 1: over five hundred. Yeah, they just lost like their first

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Speaker 1: game out of like seven. But to say, I'm embarrassed

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Speaker 1: and these guys built were the uniform and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to next year, what's still like what a month

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Speaker 1: left of the season. That's that's brutal. So Cincinnati fans

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Speaker 1: can be happy that they're not in that situation. So

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Speaker 1: let me get eighteen million dollars buy out too.

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Speaker 2: Let me spend this for you then, because cause last

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Speaker 2: time we spoke, we were talking about the West Virginia game,

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Speaker 2: talking about UC and the postgame emotion from wes Miller.

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Speaker 2: He was breaking down a little bit talking to Dan

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Speaker 2: and Terry. I don't think anyone could ever argue that

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Speaker 2: Wes Miller doesn't want to win, that he's not passionate

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Speaker 2: about the University of Cincinnati. It's just getting the job

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Speaker 2: done in these games. But at least can we agree

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Speaker 2: on the fact that after that moment, this team has

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Speaker 2: continued to play hard and fought and put together back

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Speaker 2: to back of their best offensive performances of the year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think like part of it is no

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Speaker 1: longer caring. I think like you're not playing with a

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Speaker 1: ton of pressure, You're not pressing at all. Like I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the guys know that, hey, tournament's

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Speaker 1: probably not in the cards when you look at everything,

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Speaker 1: probably going to be a coach and change unless there's

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Speaker 1: like a it would be a miracle turnaround looking at

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Speaker 1: their schedule over the next two weeks, so they can

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Speaker 1: just go out there and have fun and play the

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Speaker 1: game that they want to play in the style that

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Speaker 1: they want to play. And that's what you're starting to see.

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Speaker 1: You're starting to see Gallon Celesting play really, really well.

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Speaker 1: He's shooting the crap out of the ball. I think

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Speaker 1: he's seven for his last nine from three. Gisel James

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Speaker 1: is shooting like seventy percent from three over the less

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Speaker 1: three or four games, and the offense is really clicking.

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Speaker 1: So I think you're starting to see the team that

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Speaker 1: that Wes Millers thought he had and it's just too little,

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Speaker 1: too late. And Bobo Miller's starting to make threes and

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Speaker 1: if he had made thirty percent all season, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's one or two more wins. And then if

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Speaker 1: Celesting shot like this or close to it, maybe it's

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Speaker 2: I do have to ask because last night there's this

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Speaker 2: shot before the game on the bench, and you think,

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Speaker 2: in the nil world that we're in, there's Seanna Bye,

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Speaker 2: there's Jalen Haynes, there's Mustapha Chom, three parts going into

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Speaker 2: well over the last two Is there something to be

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Speaker 2: said about maybe a smaller rotation for Wes Miller in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe if you just give guys some run,

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Speaker 2: Where does this team now now go from here? Because

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Speaker 2: you get you tall on Sunday who that's Kansas State's loan,

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Speaker 2: big twelve win of the season, so you would think

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Speaker 2: Next week is a tall task at Kansas at Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: But they can they get this momentum rolling and if so,

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Speaker 2: can they be a dangerous team down the stretch of

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, you look at those three games Kansas,

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Speaker 1: Maybe the Big twelve Tournament they can make something happen,

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Speaker 1: get to the quarterfinals, steal a win there. But I

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Speaker 1: just think what you've seen this team do over the

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Speaker 1: the brutal losses and games are supposed to win, in

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Speaker 1: It's I just don't know, they're kind of always at

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Speaker 1: So and that's still not even counting the TCU and

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Speaker 2: At what point do you start even to look into

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Speaker 2: what the roster makeup could be next year? And I

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Speaker 2: this is a piece that that you'd like to have back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Gisel James is a guy that's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: Another year of eligibility and he's starting to play pretty decently.

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Speaker 1: Tyler McKinley and Keishan Tillery are two guys that I've

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Speaker 1: Other than that, I just don't know if the juice

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Speaker 1: million or multimillion dollar offers or contracts. So you know that,

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Speaker 1: I think the offseason is going to be really really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Side of giggl James, keith On Turlier, and Tyler McKinley,

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Speaker 1: there's not many guys in the team that I would

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Speaker 2: The main question going forward, and again, it's going to

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Speaker 2: have to play out as the future of Wes Miller.

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Speaker 2: And I know Keegan that there's a lot of things

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Speaker 2: that go into this buyouts. You also think about what

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Speaker 2: of the money they've just spent on an indoor facility

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Speaker 2: and so many other things, and where money goes through

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Speaker 2: other sports teams around the university.

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Speaker 3: What do you believe and.

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Speaker 2: I know it's early on, what do you believe the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I had to predict what would happen, I

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Speaker 1: making your case for an NCAA tournament, did I think

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Speaker 2: How do you how do you view and when I

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Speaker 2: a team that has rolled over and quit on their

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Speaker 2: it feels like it's coming undone, and somehow, some way

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Speaker 1: I think it's important. I think it's something that you

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Speaker 1: can say about Wes Miller is that his players have

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Speaker 1: always loved playing for him. I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: He has not produced consistent offense. They're sitting I think

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Speaker 1: and that's like an unheard of on balance kind of team.

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Speaker 1: But it's never been about the effort level with which

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Speaker 1: games when they're down eight points and they're responding to

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Speaker 1: adversity just isn't really there. But seeing how the guys

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Speaker 1: and I think the fans appreciate it too.

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Speaker 2: Football held a press conference this week, heard a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love how we talked about creating pressure and

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Speaker 1: disappointing things about the three three five is, you know,

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Speaker 1: them a little while to realize that, you know, getting

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Speaker 1: really good coverage or dropping eight in terms of creating

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Speaker 1: those turnovers, the takeaways and getting those interceptions. I think

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Speaker 1: Army had eighteen picks in twenty twenty four, and when

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Speaker 1: Woody was at app State with Sadderfield, they like were

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Speaker 1: think what Satafield tried to do with this is just say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're not doing the coverage thing anymore like at all.

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Speaker 1: We tried it. It didn't work for us. We've got

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Speaker 1: a foot pressure on the quarterback, so they're kind of

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Speaker 1: trading out of that middle safety spot and they're going

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Speaker 1: to add a dog to the right side of the defense,

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Speaker 1: kind of an edge outside linebacker. Pass rusher is going

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Speaker 1: to surpassor about seventy percent of play is then have

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Speaker 1: percent of play to kind of just offsetting it. But

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Speaker 1: you know what he was, He was cool. He seems

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Speaker 1: like a really old school guy. He's run the three

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Speaker 1: four for about twenty six years. The Texas Tech defensive

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Speaker 1: And also being a veteran defensive coordinator, I mean he

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Speaker 1: Just knowing that that guy can come in and know

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Speaker 1: how to instill a plan. I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: seeing what the defense looks like from.

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Speaker 2: Springball outside of a Nate Woody. Scott Sadderfield spoke as well.

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Speaker 2: Did anything from from Scott's Sadderfield stand out to you?

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Speaker 2: And what he had to say yesterday early in the week,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I want to get your opinion on

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Speaker 1: this because me and Chad had an argument on the

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Speaker 1: going to give snaps at center to tarent Tiger, Evan

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Speaker 1: my whole thing as well. If Joe Cotton is going

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Speaker 1: to be your left tackle, wouldn't you want to put

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Speaker 1: out the offensive line. But then that would move your

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Speaker 1: all American guard out of left guard. So do you

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Speaker 1: think that would be smart as a quarterback and the

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Speaker 1: guy that's dealt with it, or do you just want

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Speaker 1: to really overload the left side of the line.

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Speaker 2: To me, it was always the blind side that was

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Speaker 2: important to me, but more important than I have to

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Speaker 2: know that my offensive linemen are comfortable. If that's something

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Speaker 2: you can go to him and say, are you comfortable

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Speaker 2: moving and he says absolutely, Then by all means, I

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Speaker 2: And I think the center play becomes so important because

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Speaker 2: because if you've got strong center play, strong left tackle play,

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Speaker 2: you could hide maybe a little bit lesser of a

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Speaker 2: So if they like where they're at at center and

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Speaker 2: they feel good about left tackle, then I could say, see,

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Speaker 2: as long as he's okay with it, move make the

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Speaker 3: And find more balance on the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: But you've got to make sure your guys comfortable with that,

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Speaker 2: and you've got to make sure you're one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: sure of what you have at center and that being

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Speaker 2: the move. But I think spring ball is a perfect

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Speaker 2: how they respond. But it's just it's so unique because

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Speaker 2: you're talking about the one position group where you feel

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Speaker 2: kind of good about right quarterback. A lot of change,

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Speaker 2: running back change, wide receiver, tight end change. The one

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Speaker 2: Do you want to throw that in flux as well

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Speaker 2: and make a bunch of moves. I think that could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And everything that I've heard is that Tarren Tigo

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Speaker 1: good at right guard, So I guess if they're confident

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Speaker 1: I think, in my never having not played football since

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Speaker 1: Tangistall at right guard and then have zabel Is Lucky

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Speaker 1: I also understand not wanting to take your all American

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Speaker 1: a really good left side for your quarterbacks flind side.

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