Speaker 1: Bill cunning in Great American, of course, one of the
Speaker 1: apostles I think of the twenty first century. I'll call
Speaker 1: him the Saint Paul the twenty first century. It was
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: To me, it's.
Speaker 1: Amazing how the left needs to vilify him quickly, even
Speaker 1: more than they've done in the past, to make sure
Speaker 1: his message is not heard. I would note there's a
Speaker 1: couple of stories out recently about colleges that have refused
Speaker 1: Turning Point USA chapters, including the riot that took place
Speaker 1: at Berkeley. So the radical left has to demonize Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk despite his christian like message, because it is feared
Speaker 1: that if many college kids develop a conservative philosophy about
Speaker 1: God and about family and about America that's so positive
Speaker 1: about our country that they may become, shall we say, conservatives,
Speaker 1: form family structures, worship God, and also salute the American flag,
Speaker 1: which are some of the principles of Charlie Kirk during
Speaker 1: his lifetime. I still can't believe Charlie is murdered as
Speaker 1: of number tenth.
Speaker 2: It was awful. We'll find out how.
Speaker 1: The trial takes place later next year, but there's a
Speaker 1: documentary out Captain Kirk Captain Kirk a new documentary set
Speaker 1: for release, How a Young Leader Charted the way forward
Speaker 1: for the next generation of great Americans. Joining you and
Speaker 1: on now is the creator of that documentary, Joshua Phillips
Speaker 1: and Joshua Welcome to The Bill Cunningham Show. And first
Speaker 1: of all, before we get into the history of what
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk did, starting about twelve or thirteen years ago,
Speaker 1: do you find it amazing that colleges, which should be
Speaker 1: arsenals of democracy, colleges that should allow the free flow
Speaker 1: of ideas, especially at Berkeley, where free speech supposedly began
Speaker 1: back about fifty years ago, that colleges are barring Turning
Speaker 1: Point USA chapters from forming.
Speaker 2: Do you find that surprising?
Speaker 3: You know, I should find it surprising. Unfortunately I don't,
Speaker 3: because this is the pattern we've seen. I actually just
Speaker 3: spoken an event to California with Rob Schneider, who is
Speaker 3: you know, one of the main speakers at that event.
Speaker 3: In Berkeley's attack, they got they got attacked by Antifa.
Speaker 3: I will ask a question, though, why do college campuses
Speaker 3: allow Antifa to shut down events but they don't allow
Speaker 3: a Christian conservative organization to operate? You a good question
Speaker 3: to ask.
Speaker 1: Well, Rob Schnauder was at that event, and we've haent
Speaker 1: on assistant US attorneys who are going to pursue that
Speaker 1: possibly criminal charges.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the beginning.
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk went to college quite briefly and said him
Speaker 1: out of here. Explained the origins of Charlie Kirk when
Speaker 1: he got out of high school, a brilliant guy. The
Speaker 1: messages you got to go to college, get that sheepskin,
Speaker 1: you got to do it.
Speaker 2: He briefly went and left.
Speaker 3: Why maybe the same reason of a lot of the
Speaker 3: big successful names tend to follow the same battern. You know,
Speaker 3: I did the same thing. I went to college for
Speaker 3: a couple of years that you know what, I'm not
Speaker 3: really doing anything with it. I'm gonna do something else,
Speaker 3: and the same same way with a lot of people
Speaker 3: like that. I think the unfortunate reality is college colleges
Speaker 3: don't educate people like they used to. And I mean
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to, you know, shoot it down, people
Speaker 3: have degrees or whatever. But I do think being self
Speaker 3: educated will teach you things that you're not going to
Speaker 3: be taught in college these days. And I think what
Speaker 3: is being recognized is that a lot of kids are
Speaker 3: being sold a bad deal. They go to college, they
Speaker 3: get their degree, they graduate, and they find that they
Speaker 3: can't do a lot with it because they've been miseducated,
Speaker 3: or they've just been taught activism. They've been taught how
Speaker 3: to go in protest, but not how to go and
Speaker 3: find a job.
Speaker 2: So really they're indoctrinated, not educated.
Speaker 1: And one stack came out from the Gallupole a few
Speaker 1: days ago that forty percent of young women want to
Speaker 1: leave America forty percent, and so the promises and most
Speaker 1: of these women are highly educated. When I see protests today,
Speaker 1: Joshua Phillips, I see often bright, a young educated white
Speaker 1: females that are angry at everything and they want to
Speaker 1: leave the country.
Speaker 2: That's an example of bad education.
Speaker 3: Correct fully agreed. And it's unfortunate too. I mean, imagine you,
Speaker 3: you know, you raise a daughter, bring her up right,
Speaker 3: she goes to college. You know, you pay what fifty
Speaker 3: thousand a year or whatever it is. They come out
Speaker 3: of it, they can't find a job, they hate the country,
Speaker 3: and they think that totalitarian communism or socialism is the
Speaker 3: answered all their problems. They want to bring a system
Speaker 3: into place that has killed with you know what, one
Speaker 3: hundred million to one hundred and sixty million people, and
Speaker 3: I think that's good. But they think America is evil.
Speaker 3: I think that is a result of an absolutely failed education,
Speaker 3: total misrepresentation of history.
Speaker 1: Joshua Phillip, Why did Turning Point USA succeed so greatly?
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you later, what's the future when
Speaker 1: they When the leader dies, often the movement dies. But
Speaker 1: what made Turning Point USA successful during the living years
Speaker 1: of Charlie Kirk?
Speaker 3: You know, I think what made Turning Points so successful
Speaker 3: is that Charlie Kirk went to the college campuses and
Speaker 3: basically called them out. He was the guy saying, hey,
Speaker 3: the emperor has no clothes. And then when he's said that,
Speaker 3: everybody said, you know what. I saw that too, and
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say it. He was going to
Speaker 3: college campuses, getting on the microphone and saying, hey, whoever
Speaker 3: disagrees with me, most grab the microphone, Let's have a conversation.
Speaker 3: Bring your professors out. I will debate your professors in
Speaker 3: front of you. And he was making absolute fools out
Speaker 3: of them because he was exposing it.
Speaker 1: That's why it succeeded, and it grew from a little
Speaker 1: colonel into a huge mountain of ideas. When this happened,
Speaker 1: when Charlie was murdered because of what he was saying,
Speaker 1: almost immediately the memes on YouTube, there were hundreds of thousands,
Speaker 1: generally young, educated white females, mocking the murder of a
Speaker 1: father and a husband in an odd way. Did that
Speaker 1: help turning point movement go forward? Or because didn't it
Speaker 1: expose who they are?
Speaker 3: I think it exposed the radicals, and I think it
Speaker 3: exposed Let's put it this way, a lot of the
Speaker 3: people who promote socialism do it under the guise of
Speaker 3: moral good. They say, I'm a good person, you're an
Speaker 3: evil person. I'm the I'm the one who's right by history,
Speaker 3: and you're you know, you're the one, you know, basically
Speaker 3: doing the wrong thing. As soon as they come out
Speaker 3: and they support the murder of a man in front
Speaker 3: of his children, you know, being shot of a neck,
Speaker 3: will trying to have an open debate someone someone whose
Speaker 3: only crime was to engage in discussion, and they're saying,
Speaker 3: I hate freedom of speech so much that if someone
Speaker 3: disagrees with me, I want to see them murdered in
Speaker 3: front of their in front of their children. For somebody
Speaker 3: to be like that show that they lose the moral
Speaker 3: high ground. And when people recognize, oh, you don't. These
Speaker 3: people don't believe in kindness, These people don't believe in honesty,
Speaker 3: these people don't believe in debate, the mask falls off
Speaker 3: and you see them for what they are, and a
Speaker 3: lot of people say, you know what you know? Rather
Speaker 3: than retreating into the shadows, what happened was a lot
Speaker 3: of college could said I'm going to go be just
Speaker 3: like Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to do exactly what he did.
Speaker 1: What surprised you most in this documentary about it's called
Speaker 1: Captain Kirk. What surprised you about the internal dynamics and
Speaker 1: growth of Turning Point USA.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's called I think Captain Kirk was the
Speaker 3: marketing things, but it's called that truth under Fire, the
Speaker 3: framing of Charlie Kirk. But but what surprised me the
Speaker 3: most actually was actually what I really dug into was
Speaker 3: how Charlie Kirk was framed. I wanted to do two
Speaker 3: things with his documentary. One is set right the legacy
Speaker 3: of Charlie Kirk, and two is to expose what led
Speaker 3: to his death. You know, how is he how there's
Speaker 3: a hit piece machine that tries to ruin people's reputations,
Speaker 3: destroy their organizations, destroy their finances, make them too afraid
Speaker 3: to speak out, and ultimately lead to threats of violence,
Speaker 3: which can result in actual violence, which is exactly what
Speaker 3: happened to Charlie Kirk. But all so, just because I
Speaker 3: think his legacy is being undermined right now, I wanted
Speaker 3: to do something that explains what did he actually stand for?
Speaker 3: Who was Charlie Kirk? What values did he espouse and
Speaker 3: what effect most importantly, what effect did he have on
Speaker 3: young people?
Speaker 1: Well, I would ask you the question, what values did
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk espouse? What was his belief system? Did it
Speaker 1: evolve over the twelve years of his public life? What
Speaker 1: do you say about that?
Speaker 3: You know? My conclusion is this, I don't think we
Speaker 3: can replace someone like Charlie Kirk. He was a rare
Speaker 3: individual because he had the ability to bring people together
Speaker 3: across differences. I think for the conservative movement in particular,
Speaker 3: he was a uniting force. He brought together. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: you look at the Civil War among conservatives right now,
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk had his pastor speaking, He had you know,
Speaker 3: Candice Owen speaking at events previously. He had Tucker Carlton
Speaker 3: speaking at the recent ones. He brought together conservatives who
Speaker 3: don't agree with each other, and that is challenging to do.
Speaker 3: He brought together religious denominations that are very different from
Speaker 3: each other. He brought them all together under a single
Speaker 3: roof and said, you know what, put those aside. We
Speaker 3: know we have a country to say. It's basically, we
Speaker 3: have something we need to stand for that is that
Speaker 3: is broader than our differences. And I think what he
Speaker 3: focused on instead was the issues. He focused on this
Speaker 3: is what our kids are being taught, this is this
Speaker 3: is this is the problem in our country that if
Speaker 3: we don't resolve it, we're going to lose our country.
Speaker 3: He focused on those types of things, not all the
Speaker 3: not all the petty squabbling. And I think the effect
Speaker 3: of Charlie Kirk was visible when I when I went
Speaker 3: to colleges and I talked to young kids and I said,
Speaker 3: why are you here? What are you doing? And I
Speaker 3: talked to some of the people the turning point chapters.
Speaker 3: Despite the disagreements, we're now seeing at the surface the
Speaker 3: legacy of Charlie Kirk does live on in the youth,
Speaker 3: and a lot of them were deeply inspired to you know,
Speaker 3: find their faith, to become more religious, to not be
Speaker 3: afraid of speaking out, to talk about their values, to
Speaker 3: not be silenced. I think his legacy will live on
Speaker 3: in the youth.
Speaker 1: How critical was Charlie Kirk in that movement to the
Speaker 1: re election of Donald Trump in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Well, I think he was honestly so successful that a
Speaker 3: lot of the media establishment wanted to I think without
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, Trump would not have won the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four election, and I think that was recognized. And so
Speaker 3: what had happened was this Charlie Kirk basically got Charlie
Speaker 3: Kirk woke up the youth in America. The college campuses
Speaker 3: have been kind of a hotbed of socialism, going back
Speaker 3: to the hippie movement. You know, it used to be
Speaker 3: that younger people tend to vote very far left. When
Speaker 3: they get a bit older and start paying taxes, they
Speaker 3: realize that those policies don't work so well. And you know,
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was really working to change that. A lot
Speaker 3: of young people were starting to realize, you know what,
Speaker 3: the enemy I've been taught is not the real is
Speaker 3: not the real enemy. And you know, some of the
Speaker 3: stuff I'm being taught in school is not the truth.
Speaker 3: They realized they were being basically miseducated, said false history
Speaker 3: and said a lot of false arguments. Charlie Kirk was
Speaker 3: going there exposing it, and a lot of kids were saying,
Speaker 3: you know what, this is what's really going on, and
Speaker 3: they started really espousing that. What I also saw was
Speaker 3: that after the twenty twenty four election, a lot of
Speaker 3: the media started doing hit pieces on Charlie Kirk. New
Speaker 3: York Times made it like a personal vendebted to destroy
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk. A lot of the media establishment was pulling
Speaker 3: all kinds of narratives based on just false information, you know, misrepresentation,
Speaker 3: half quotes and so on, trying to frame him as
Speaker 3: racist and bigoted and all these things because I think
Speaker 3: politically they recognize is they had to destroy him to
Speaker 3: destroy what he represented.
Speaker 1: Have they done that in the last three or four months.
Speaker 1: Is Charlie Kirk bigger today than he was when he
Speaker 1: was murdered on September the tenth?
Speaker 2: Is the movement growing? Is the movement?
Speaker 1: The same. Is it going to fail? Is it a
Speaker 1: false high? Is it whipped cream and not real? If
Speaker 1: I would have you on Joshua Philippin about a year
Speaker 1: from now, what will you say a year from now
Speaker 1: about the movement?
Speaker 3: I would say the movement? Okay. So after tum Kirk died,
Speaker 3: he had his memorial in Arizona. It was incredible. I mean,
Speaker 3: anybody who was there knows this. They had two stadiums full,
Speaker 3: even aside from two completely filmed stadiums, you had overflow
Speaker 3: space people they had to turn away, like hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 3: I remember walking into the press area and it's kind
Speaker 3: of in the middle of the stadium, and you just
Speaker 3: saw something take place that day that I've never seen.
Speaker 3: I mean, a lot of people said he was a monitor.
Speaker 3: A lot of people said that, you know, maybe in
Speaker 3: his death he was even more powerful than he was
Speaker 3: in his life because of what he inspired and all
Speaker 3: the people who are there. I think that his legacy
Speaker 3: is now being dragged through the mud because there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people are not trying to turn into other debates.
Speaker 3: They're fighting against him. They're fighting against turning point. People
Speaker 3: are tearing each other's throats. I think we'll have to
Speaker 3: see what happens with Charlie Kirk's legacy, because what I
Speaker 3: saw that day and what also happened as people are
Speaker 3: trying to start up a edition Returning Point chapters, I
Speaker 3: mean tenfold increase in requests for him. That was an
Speaker 3: incredible movement. But in fighting people spreading rumors, this kind
Speaker 3: of things, I think that does risk tearing it all
Speaker 3: down and nothing will be achieved that that happens.
Speaker 1: Headline out of Colorado quote Colorado professor emeritus calls Turning
Speaker 1: Point USA supporters Nazis, flips off camera after a chapter
Speaker 1: is approved on the campus as David Kozak ko Zak Kozak,
Speaker 1: former professor of anthropology at Fort Lewis College, was caught
Speaker 1: on camera calling students their Nazis and flipping them off
Speaker 1: and after the chapter was approved. I've seen many examples
Speaker 1: where students overturning tables, defacing minu mentioned Charlie Kirk. Fort
Speaker 1: Lewis College in Colorado said that mister Kozak is no
Speaker 1: longer employed.
Speaker 2: By the institution.
Speaker 1: I guess that's a positive, but can you answer quickly
Speaker 1: the charge of the radical left to smear Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: that he was a racist and a Nazi.
Speaker 2: Hear that constantly. What's your response to that.
Speaker 3: It's a false narrative that has been formed over the
Speaker 3: course of close to a decade, going back to twenty seventeen. Actually,
Speaker 3: my documentary focuses on exposing how those false narratives were
Speaker 3: formed and developed.
Speaker 1: And it's ongoing. The documentary is Truth under Fire. And
Speaker 1: you had great success I see with the COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: documentary in twenty twenty some seventy five million views. And
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. His legacy now is up to
Speaker 1: us to decide. I seldom see positive stories in the
Speaker 1: mainstream media about Charlie Kirker, Erica Kirk. And when they
Speaker 1: had that big memorial service, et cetera. It was on CNN,
Speaker 1: non on MSNBC, And now here we are a few
Speaker 1: months later, and guess what Nazis and brown shirts and
Speaker 1: racists or filling the air whenever turning point USA. Nothing
Speaker 1: can be further from the truth. The three principles of
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk were God, family, and America. And you don't
Speaker 1: hear much of that on college campuses. Well, God family
Speaker 1: in America, and what is the website to where I
Speaker 1: can direct people towards this for this documentary, they can.
Speaker 3: Go to epictv dot com, epochtv dot.
Speaker 1: Com, epictv dot com. And once again, Joshua Phillips, you're
Speaker 1: a great American. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: And I'd get you back on in four or five
Speaker 1: months to see the effect of this. How many views
Speaker 1: there have been, what kind of reaction hasn't been. He's
Speaker 1: being vilified and crucified and blasphemed all over college campuses.
Speaker 1: Nothing could be further from the truth. It was all
Speaker 1: about God, family and America. Nothing wrong with those principles.
Speaker 1: Once again, Joshua, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: And Joshua, you're a great American. Give my best to
Speaker 1: all the people epic and etc. And keep doing what
Speaker 1: you're doing. Thank you, Joshua, appreciate it. Thank you, God
Speaker 1: bless you all. Let's continue with more news coming up
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