WEBVTT - 11-17-25 Willie with Joshua Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning in Great American, of course, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>apostles I think of the twenty first century. I'll call

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<v Speaker 1>him the Saint Paul the twenty first century. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing how the left needs to vilify him quickly, even

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<v Speaker 1>more than they've done in the past, to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>his message is not heard. I would note there's a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of stories out recently about colleges that have refused

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<v Speaker 1>Turning Point USA chapters, including the riot that took place

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<v Speaker 1>at Berkeley. So the radical left has to demonize Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk despite his christian like message, because it is feared

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<v Speaker 1>that if many college kids develop a conservative philosophy about

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<v Speaker 1>God and about family and about America that's so positive

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<v Speaker 1>about our country that they may become, shall we say, conservatives,

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<v Speaker 1>form family structures, worship God, and also salute the American flag,

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<v Speaker 1>which are some of the principles of Charlie Kirk during

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<v Speaker 1>his lifetime. I still can't believe Charlie is murdered as

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<v Speaker 1>of number tenth.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awful. We'll find out how.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial takes place later next year, but there's a

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<v Speaker 1>documentary out Captain Kirk Captain Kirk a new documentary set

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<v Speaker 1>for release, How a Young Leader Charted the way forward

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<v Speaker 1>for the next generation of great Americans. Joining you and

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<v Speaker 1>on now is the creator of that documentary, Joshua Phillips

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<v Speaker 1>and Joshua Welcome to The Bill Cunningham Show. And first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, before we get into the history of what

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk did, starting about twelve or thirteen years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>do you find it amazing that colleges, which should be

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<v Speaker 1>arsenals of democracy, colleges that should allow the free flow

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<v Speaker 1>of ideas, especially at Berkeley, where free speech supposedly began

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<v Speaker 1>back about fifty years ago, that colleges are barring Turning

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<v Speaker 1>Point USA chapters from forming.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you find that surprising?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I should find it surprising. Unfortunately I don't,

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<v Speaker 3>because this is the pattern we've seen. I actually just

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<v Speaker 3>spoken an event to California with Rob Schneider, who is

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<v Speaker 3>you know, one of the main speakers at that event.

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<v Speaker 3>In Berkeley's attack, they got they got attacked by Antifa.

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<v Speaker 3>I will ask a question, though, why do college campuses

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<v Speaker 3>allow Antifa to shut down events but they don't allow

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<v Speaker 3>a Christian conservative organization to operate? You a good question

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<v Speaker 3>to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Rob Schnauder was at that event, and we've haent

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<v Speaker 1>on assistant US attorneys who are going to pursue that

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<v Speaker 1>possibly criminal charges.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go back to the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk went to college quite briefly and said him

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. Explained the origins of Charlie Kirk when

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<v Speaker 1>he got out of high school, a brilliant guy. The

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<v Speaker 1>messages you got to go to college, get that sheepskin,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>He briefly went and left.

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<v Speaker 3>Why maybe the same reason of a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>big successful names tend to follow the same battern. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I did the same thing. I went to college for

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years that you know what, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>really doing anything with it. I'm gonna do something else,

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<v Speaker 3>and the same same way with a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>like that. I think the unfortunate reality is college colleges

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<v Speaker 3>don't educate people like they used to. And I mean

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to, you know, shoot it down, people

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<v Speaker 3>have degrees or whatever. But I do think being self

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<v Speaker 3>educated will teach you things that you're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>be taught in college these days. And I think what

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<v Speaker 3>is being recognized is that a lot of kids are

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<v Speaker 3>being sold a bad deal. They go to college, they

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<v Speaker 3>get their degree, they graduate, and they find that they

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<v Speaker 3>can't do a lot with it because they've been miseducated,

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<v Speaker 3>or they've just been taught activism. They've been taught how

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<v Speaker 3>to go in protest, but not how to go and

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<v Speaker 3>find a job.

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<v Speaker 2>So really they're indoctrinated, not educated.

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<v Speaker 1>And one stack came out from the Gallupole a few

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<v Speaker 1>days ago that forty percent of young women want to

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<v Speaker 1>leave America forty percent, and so the promises and most

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<v Speaker 1>of these women are highly educated. When I see protests today,

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<v Speaker 1>Joshua Phillips, I see often bright, a young educated white

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<v Speaker 1>females that are angry at everything and they want to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the country.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an example of bad education.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct fully agreed. And it's unfortunate too. I mean, imagine you,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you raise a daughter, bring her up right,

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<v Speaker 3>she goes to college. You know, you pay what fifty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand a year or whatever it is. They come out

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<v Speaker 3>of it, they can't find a job, they hate the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and they think that totalitarian communism or socialism is the

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<v Speaker 3>answered all their problems. They want to bring a system

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<v Speaker 3>into place that has killed with you know what, one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred million to one hundred and sixty million people, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's good. But they think America is evil.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is a result of an absolutely failed education,

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<v Speaker 3>total misrepresentation of history.

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<v Speaker 1>Joshua Phillip, Why did Turning Point USA succeed so greatly?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you later, what's the future when

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<v Speaker 1>they When the leader dies, often the movement dies. But

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<v Speaker 1>what made Turning Point USA successful during the living years

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<v Speaker 1>of Charlie Kirk?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think what made Turning Points so successful

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<v Speaker 3>is that Charlie Kirk went to the college campuses and

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<v Speaker 3>basically called them out. He was the guy saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>the emperor has no clothes. And then when he's said that,

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<v Speaker 3>everybody said, you know what. I saw that too, and

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to say it. He was going to

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<v Speaker 3>college campuses, getting on the microphone and saying, hey, whoever

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<v Speaker 3>disagrees with me, most grab the microphone, Let's have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Bring your professors out. I will debate your professors in

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<v Speaker 3>front of you. And he was making absolute fools out

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<v Speaker 3>of them because he was exposing it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why it succeeded, and it grew from a little

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<v Speaker 1>colonel into a huge mountain of ideas. When this happened,

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<v Speaker 1>when Charlie was murdered because of what he was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately the memes on YouTube, there were hundreds of thousands,

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<v Speaker 1>generally young, educated white females, mocking the murder of a

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<v Speaker 1>father and a husband in an odd way. Did that

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<v Speaker 1>help turning point movement go forward? Or because didn't it

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<v Speaker 1>expose who they are?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it exposed the radicals, and I think it

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<v Speaker 3>exposed Let's put it this way, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>people who promote socialism do it under the guise of

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<v Speaker 3>moral good. They say, I'm a good person, you're an

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<v Speaker 3>evil person. I'm the I'm the one who's right by history,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're you know, you're the one, you know, basically

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<v Speaker 3>doing the wrong thing. As soon as they come out

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<v Speaker 3>and they support the murder of a man in front

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<v Speaker 3>of his children, you know, being shot of a neck,

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<v Speaker 3>will trying to have an open debate someone someone whose

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<v Speaker 3>only crime was to engage in discussion, and they're saying,

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<v Speaker 3>I hate freedom of speech so much that if someone

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<v Speaker 3>disagrees with me, I want to see them murdered in

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<v Speaker 3>front of their in front of their children. For somebody

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<v Speaker 3>to be like that show that they lose the moral

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<v Speaker 3>high ground. And when people recognize, oh, you don't. These

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<v Speaker 3>people don't believe in kindness, These people don't believe in honesty,

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<v Speaker 3>these people don't believe in debate, the mask falls off

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<v Speaker 3>and you see them for what they are, and a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people say, you know what you know? Rather

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<v Speaker 3>than retreating into the shadows, what happened was a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of college could said I'm going to go be just

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<v Speaker 3>like Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to do exactly what he did.

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<v Speaker 1>What surprised you most in this documentary about it's called

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Kirk. What surprised you about the internal dynamics and

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<v Speaker 1>growth of Turning Point USA.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So it's called I think Captain Kirk was the

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<v Speaker 3>marketing things, but it's called that truth under Fire, the

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<v Speaker 3>framing of Charlie Kirk. But but what surprised me the

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<v Speaker 3>most actually was actually what I really dug into was

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<v Speaker 3>how Charlie Kirk was framed. I wanted to do two

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<v Speaker 3>things with his documentary. One is set right the legacy

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<v Speaker 3>of Charlie Kirk, and two is to expose what led

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<v Speaker 3>to his death. You know, how is he how there's

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<v Speaker 3>a hit piece machine that tries to ruin people's reputations,

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<v Speaker 3>destroy their organizations, destroy their finances, make them too afraid

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<v Speaker 3>to speak out, and ultimately lead to threats of violence,

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<v Speaker 3>which can result in actual violence, which is exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>happened to Charlie Kirk. But all so, just because I

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<v Speaker 3>think his legacy is being undermined right now, I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to do something that explains what did he actually stand for?

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<v Speaker 3>Who was Charlie Kirk? What values did he espouse and

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<v Speaker 3>what effect most importantly, what effect did he have on

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<v Speaker 3>young people?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would ask you the question, what values did

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk espouse? What was his belief system? Did it

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<v Speaker 1>evolve over the twelve years of his public life? What

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<v Speaker 1>do you say about that?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? My conclusion is this, I don't think we

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<v Speaker 3>can replace someone like Charlie Kirk. He was a rare

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<v Speaker 3>individual because he had the ability to bring people together

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<v Speaker 3>across differences. I think for the conservative movement in particular,

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<v Speaker 3>he was a uniting force. He brought together. I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>you look at the Civil War among conservatives right now,

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Kirk had his pastor speaking, He had you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Candice Owen speaking at events previously. He had Tucker Carlton

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<v Speaker 3>speaking at the recent ones. He brought together conservatives who

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<v Speaker 3>don't agree with each other, and that is challenging to do.

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<v Speaker 3>He brought together religious denominations that are very different from

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<v Speaker 3>each other. He brought them all together under a single

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<v Speaker 3>roof and said, you know what, put those aside. We

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<v Speaker 3>know we have a country to say. It's basically, we

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<v Speaker 3>have something we need to stand for that is that

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<v Speaker 3>is broader than our differences. And I think what he

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<v Speaker 3>focused on instead was the issues. He focused on this

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<v Speaker 3>is what our kids are being taught, this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is this is the problem in our country that if

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<v Speaker 3>we don't resolve it, we're going to lose our country.

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<v Speaker 3>He focused on those types of things, not all the

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<v Speaker 3>not all the petty squabbling. And I think the effect

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<v Speaker 3>of Charlie Kirk was visible when I when I went

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<v Speaker 3>to colleges and I talked to young kids and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>why are you here? What are you doing? And I

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<v Speaker 3>talked to some of the people the turning point chapters.

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<v Speaker 3>Despite the disagreements, we're now seeing at the surface the

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<v Speaker 3>legacy of Charlie Kirk does live on in the youth,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of them were deeply inspired to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>find their faith, to become more religious, to not be

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<v Speaker 3>afraid of speaking out, to talk about their values, to

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<v Speaker 3>not be silenced. I think his legacy will live on

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<v Speaker 3>in the youth.

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<v Speaker 1>How critical was Charlie Kirk in that movement to the

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<v Speaker 1>re election of Donald Trump in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think he was honestly so successful that a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the media establishment wanted to I think without

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Kirk, Trump would not have won the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four election, and I think that was recognized. And so

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<v Speaker 3>what had happened was this Charlie Kirk basically got Charlie

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<v Speaker 3>Kirk woke up the youth in America. The college campuses

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<v Speaker 3>have been kind of a hotbed of socialism, going back

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<v Speaker 3>to the hippie movement. You know, it used to be

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<v Speaker 3>that younger people tend to vote very far left. When

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<v Speaker 3>they get a bit older and start paying taxes, they

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<v Speaker 3>realize that those policies don't work so well. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Kirk was really working to change that. A lot

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<v Speaker 3>of young people were starting to realize, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>the enemy I've been taught is not the real is

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<v Speaker 3>not the real enemy. And you know, some of the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff I'm being taught in school is not the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>They realized they were being basically miseducated, said false history

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<v Speaker 3>and said a lot of false arguments. Charlie Kirk was

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<v Speaker 3>going there exposing it, and a lot of kids were saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, this is what's really going on, and

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<v Speaker 3>they started really espousing that. What I also saw was

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<v Speaker 3>that after the twenty twenty four election, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the media started doing hit pieces on Charlie Kirk. New

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<v Speaker 3>York Times made it like a personal vendebted to destroy

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Kirk. A lot of the media establishment was pulling

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of narratives based on just false information, you know, misrepresentation,

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<v Speaker 3>half quotes and so on, trying to frame him as

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<v Speaker 3>racist and bigoted and all these things because I think

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<v Speaker 3>politically they recognize is they had to destroy him to

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<v Speaker 3>destroy what he represented.

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<v Speaker 1>Have they done that in the last three or four months.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Charlie Kirk bigger today than he was when he

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered on September the tenth?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the movement growing? Is the movement?

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<v Speaker 1>The same. Is it going to fail? Is it a

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<v Speaker 1>false high? Is it whipped cream and not real? If

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<v Speaker 1>I would have you on Joshua Philippin about a year

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<v Speaker 1>from now, what will you say a year from now

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<v Speaker 1>about the movement?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say the movement? Okay. So after tum Kirk died,

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<v Speaker 3>he had his memorial in Arizona. It was incredible. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>anybody who was there knows this. They had two stadiums full,

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<v Speaker 3>even aside from two completely filmed stadiums, you had overflow

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<v Speaker 3>space people they had to turn away, like hundreds of thousands.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember walking into the press area and it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of in the middle of the stadium, and you just

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<v Speaker 3>saw something take place that day that I've never seen.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, a lot of people said he was a monitor.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people said that, you know, maybe in

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<v Speaker 3>his death he was even more powerful than he was

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<v Speaker 3>in his life because of what he inspired and all

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<v Speaker 3>the people who are there. I think that his legacy

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<v Speaker 3>is now being dragged through the mud because there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people are not trying to turn into other debates.

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<v Speaker 3>They're fighting against him. They're fighting against turning point. People

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<v Speaker 3>are tearing each other's throats. I think we'll have to

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<v Speaker 3>see what happens with Charlie Kirk's legacy, because what I

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<v Speaker 3>saw that day and what also happened as people are

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<v Speaker 3>trying to start up a edition Returning Point chapters, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean tenfold increase in requests for him. That was an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible movement. But in fighting people spreading rumors, this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of things, I think that does risk tearing it all

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<v Speaker 3>down and nothing will be achieved that that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Headline out of Colorado quote Colorado professor emeritus calls Turning

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<v Speaker 1>Point USA supporters Nazis, flips off camera after a chapter

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<v Speaker 1>is approved on the campus as David Kozak ko Zak Kozak,

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<v Speaker 1>former professor of anthropology at Fort Lewis College, was caught

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<v Speaker 1>on camera calling students their Nazis and flipping them off

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<v Speaker 1>and after the chapter was approved. I've seen many examples

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<v Speaker 1>where students overturning tables, defacing minu mentioned Charlie Kirk. Fort

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis College in Colorado said that mister Kozak is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer employed.

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<v Speaker 2>By the institution.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's a positive, but can you answer quickly

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<v Speaker 1>the charge of the radical left to smear Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 1>that he was a racist and a Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>Hear that constantly. What's your response to that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a false narrative that has been formed over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of close to a decade, going back to twenty seventeen. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>my documentary focuses on exposing how those false narratives were

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<v Speaker 3>formed and developed.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's ongoing. The documentary is Truth under Fire. And

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<v Speaker 1>you had great success I see with the COVID nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>documentary in twenty twenty some seventy five million views. And

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens. His legacy now is up to

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<v Speaker 1>us to decide. I seldom see positive stories in the

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream media about Charlie Kirker, Erica Kirk. And when they

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<v Speaker 1>had that big memorial service, et cetera. It was on CNN,

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<v Speaker 1>non on MSNBC, And now here we are a few

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<v Speaker 1>months later, and guess what Nazis and brown shirts and

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<v Speaker 1>racists or filling the air whenever turning point USA. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>can be further from the truth. The three principles of

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk were God, family, and America. And you don't

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<v Speaker 1>hear much of that on college campuses. Well, God family

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<v Speaker 1>in America, and what is the website to where I

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<v Speaker 1>can direct people towards this for this documentary, they can.

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<v Speaker 3>Go to epictv dot com, epochtv dot.

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<v Speaker 1>Com, epictv dot com. And once again, Joshua Phillips, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a great American. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd get you back on in four or five

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<v Speaker 1>months to see the effect of this. How many views

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<v Speaker 1>there have been, what kind of reaction hasn't been. He's

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<v Speaker 1>being vilified and crucified and blasphemed all over college campuses.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing could be further from the truth. It was all

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<v Speaker 1>about God, family and America. Nothing wrong with those principles.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, Joshua, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And Joshua, you're a great American. Give my best to

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<v Speaker 1>all the people epic and etc. And keep doing what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing. Thank you, Joshua, appreciate it. Thank you, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless you all. Let's continue with more news coming up

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