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Speaker 1: Amazing how the left needs to vilify him quickly, even

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Speaker 1: form family structures, worship God, and also salute the American flag,

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Speaker 1: which are some of the principles of Charlie Kirk during

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Speaker 2: It was awful. We'll find out how.

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Speaker 1: The trial takes place later next year, but there's a

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Speaker 1: documentary out Captain Kirk Captain Kirk a new documentary set

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Speaker 1: for release, How a Young Leader Charted the way forward

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Speaker 1: for the next generation of great Americans. Joining you and

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Speaker 1: on now is the creator of that documentary, Joshua Phillips

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Speaker 1: and Joshua Welcome to The Bill Cunningham Show. And first

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Speaker 1: of all, before we get into the history of what

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk did, starting about twelve or thirteen years ago,

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Speaker 1: do you find it amazing that colleges, which should be

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Speaker 2: Do you find that surprising?

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Speaker 3: You know, I should find it surprising. Unfortunately I don't,

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Speaker 3: I will ask a question, though, why do college campuses

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Speaker 1: Well, Rob Schnauder was at that event, and we've haent

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk went to college quite briefly and said him

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Speaker 3: Why maybe the same reason of a lot of the

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Speaker 2: Is the movement growing? Is the movement?

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Speaker 3: I would say the movement? Okay. So after tum Kirk died,

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Speaker 1: Headline out of Colorado quote Colorado professor emeritus calls Turning

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a positive, but can you answer quickly

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Speaker 3: my documentary focuses on exposing how those false narratives were

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Speaker 1: And it's ongoing. The documentary is Truth under Fire. And

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. His legacy now is up to

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Speaker 1: hear much of that on college campuses. Well, God family

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Speaker 3: Go to epictv dot com, epochtv dot.

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Speaker 1: Com, epictv dot com. And once again, Joshua Phillips, you're

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Speaker 1: a great American. Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And I'd get you back on in four or five

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Speaker 1: Nothing could be further from the truth. It was all

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Speaker 1: about God, family and America. Nothing wrong with those principles.

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Speaker 1: Once again, Joshua, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: And Joshua, you're a great American. Give my best to

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