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Speaker 1: It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm w Beazy, Boston's

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Speaker 2: It is w Beezy News Radio ten thirty and this

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Speaker 2: is night Side with Dan Ray.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Bradley Jay in for Dan tonight.

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Speaker 2: Let me give you a little bit of in for

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Speaker 2: about what's coming out later.

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Speaker 3: Jim Sullivan.

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Speaker 2: You may have read his articles in the Boston Globe

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Speaker 2: for many years. He was the Boston music writer and

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Speaker 2: he has a book. He's going to be joined us

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Speaker 2: to talk about that book. And in that book he

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Speaker 2: shares a lot of intimate stories and well stories and

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Speaker 2: interactions with some big stars, some big rock stars including

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Speaker 2: say you know, Pete Townsend, the Clash, Bowie Cars, Aerosmith,

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Speaker 2: many many more. He's got some really great stories. They're

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Speaker 2: in the book and he's going to share some of

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Speaker 2: those stories. At ten and just before that, nine, I

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Speaker 2: think there may be a problem with your profile photo

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Speaker 2: on your social media. I may not have seen it,

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Speaker 2: but we better check. There may be a problem with it.

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Speaker 2: I might have a bone to pick with your photo.

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Speaker 2: But now let me ask you this, do you like

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Speaker 2: to walk? Walk in is one of the great activities,

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Speaker 2: and that's why pedestrianism needs.

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Speaker 3: To be protected.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing more basic than walking for transportation, for pleasure,

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Speaker 2: for health. It needs to be protected. But walking is

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Speaker 2: under siege.

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Speaker 3: You like going out with the.

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Speaker 2: Dog, you like walking to Trader Joe's, or stopping shop

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Speaker 2: or whatever, maybe the barber shop, maybe to get a manicure.

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Speaker 2: It's great to walk. It's good for you. It's life.

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Speaker 2: It's very basic life. I love to walk too, But

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Speaker 2: we're under siege if we like to walk. There's a

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Speaker 2: new danger on every you know, in every cross walk,

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Speaker 2: in every bike lane.

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Speaker 3: And we'll get to that later. Now I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Tell you the story about a woman who also liked

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Speaker 2: to walk and well met the same tragedy that.

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Speaker 3: Is right around the corner for any of us these days.

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Speaker 2: This is from an article from Boston dot Com. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to read excerpts from it, and then we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to the woman who this whom this article

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Speaker 2: is about.

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Speaker 3: You're ready, Here we go.

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Speaker 2: A Brewster woman who was in This is by any Jonas,

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Speaker 2: by the way, and this is labeled October twenty ninth,

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Speaker 2: twenty five. A Brewster woman who was impaled in the

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Speaker 2: eye by an e bike is calling for stricter regulations.

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Speaker 2: September ten, according to this article in Forrester was walking

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Speaker 2: when a bicyclist that's the phrase that he is her bicyclist,

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Speaker 2: but it's an e bike and I there are distinctions

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Speaker 2: to be made there, suddenly collided with her from behind,

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Speaker 2: she told Boston dot Com Moving Forward. Forrester said the

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Speaker 2: bicyclist's brake handle went in to her eye. The High

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Speaker 2: Rich Fire Department arrived to the scene to remove the

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Speaker 2: handlebars from the bike, leaving a small portion still attached

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Speaker 2: to the victim. Med flighted to Moving forward, med flighted

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Speaker 2: She said doctors told her family she had a thirty

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Speaker 2: percent chance of dying in the operating room. Forrester also

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Speaker 2: said she suffered multiple face and skull fractures, as well

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Speaker 2: as a subaractnoid as well as subarachnoid hemorrhages. She spent

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Speaker 2: twenty four days in the hospital and faces a long

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Speaker 2: road to recovery and again bad luck for Lynn Forrester,

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Speaker 2: but This could easily be you, your child, your mother,

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Speaker 2: your brother, your sister, or me. Now, let's meet Lynne

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Speaker 2: and find out a little bit about her before we

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Speaker 2: go into what her life must be like now as

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Speaker 2: a result of an accident with an e bike. Don't

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Speaker 2: forget there was a fatality, and Copley Square not that

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Speaker 2: to see all kinds of horror stories.

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Speaker 3: So let's meet Lynn.

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Speaker 2: It has to be very difficult for you to come

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Speaker 2: on first, Lynn, I know that it's nerve wracking to

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Speaker 3: Station, even I've been. I've been on the radio forever,

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Speaker 2: When I when I call, So I know it takes

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Speaker 2: Before we get into your situation, can you tell us

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Speaker 3: I'd like to get to know.

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Speaker 2: You where you're from, you know what you did, what

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Speaker 4: Well, I was born in New York City, grew up

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Speaker 4: and then we moved to New Jersey and raised our

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Speaker 4: family in a town called Princeton Junction, New Jersey, and

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Speaker 4: we summered on Cape Cod every summer. And my parents

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Speaker 4: And we came up and we built the retirement home

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Speaker 4: lived here for ten years. And luck have it, my

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Speaker 4: in Centerville on the Cape, and my other son lives

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Speaker 4: in England. But because my son lives in England, my

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Speaker 4: husband and I took up walking and hiking and every year,

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Speaker 4: once or twice a year, we go over into England

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Speaker 4: southern part of England. But we generally do one hundred

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Speaker 4: to two hundred mile hikes and that's been our activity.

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Speaker 4: So for ten years I've been walking the rail trail

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Speaker 4: and you know, just to stay in shape. And you know,

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Speaker 4: never would I have thought that I would have been

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Speaker 2: Yes, you would probably think there would be more danger

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Speaker 2: on one hundred mile or a two hundred mile hike.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, falling off the hill.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So did you plan your hikes that include mountains

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and stare you know, these these

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Speaker 4: know it's some of them. We look and we go like, wow,

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Speaker 2: Never one question about a two hundred mile or even

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Speaker 3: How do you do it?

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Speaker 2: I consider myself kind of like it, but like twelve

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Speaker 4: Well that's what that's what we sort of do, like

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Speaker 4: and then you stay in accommodations along the way, So

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Speaker 4: you have dinner and you rest your feet and get

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Speaker 4: it's fun. It's like we get lost, So if it's

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Speaker 4: a two hundred mile hike, generally it's about it two twenty.

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Speaker 4: But when we're done, because we get lost a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But it's just it's thrilling, and I just hope I

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Speaker 3: I hope so as well to do it.

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Speaker 2: We're going to thank you for that, getting to know

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Speaker 2: then we'll sort of well, no, we'll definitely get into

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Speaker 1: Next on WBZY, you're on night Side with Dan Ray

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Speaker 2: Bred J for Dan tonight and we're speaking with Lynn Forsterah,

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Speaker 2: a woman who hiked a lot, love to walk, and

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Speaker 2: one day her life was changed drastically. So now are

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Speaker 2: you in a place Lynn where you can talk about

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm I'm healing and I'm going to lots of

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Speaker 3: You're good with talking about the details of what happened that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't want yeah, you know, no, I am,

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Speaker 4: I am good, I am all right.

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Speaker 3: So let's start here. You are just like any other day,

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Speaker 3: what kind of a day?

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Speaker 4: Was more than halfway through my walk of the day,

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Speaker 2: Here's where you take the wheel and you drive. But

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Speaker 2: I know when something like this happens, it happens. Time

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Speaker 2: time for you to share those details of what you saw,

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Speaker 4: Okay, one thing, I am a retired nurse, so that

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Speaker 4: kind of helped me through my hospitalization. So yeah, I

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Speaker 4: just got hit from the back and the first thing

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Speaker 4: the asphalt. It didn't hit the grass. It went right

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Speaker 4: An e bike? But it hit me from behind? I

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Speaker 2: Ahead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was September tenth, and it was very busy,

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Speaker 4: and I went unconscious. I would gather about ten minutes

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Speaker 4: There were people on me. She was on me, so

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Speaker 4: I don't know if there was one or two bikes

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Speaker 2: And I read that there was a part of the

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Speaker 4: Eye, right break handle, but I didn't know it. I

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Speaker 4: didn't know it. I couldn't move, but I didn't know

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Speaker 4: something was in my eye. I know I was bleeding.

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Speaker 4: thought was sheared like off, you know. I just thought

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Speaker 4: it was scraped off, and that's what I was bleeding from.

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Speaker 4: But I didn't realize it was my eye. I had

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Speaker 4: no I didn't have an excruciating pain there nothing, So.

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Speaker 2: At what point did you realize there was a it

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Speaker 2: was a piece of the handbrake of the bicycle in

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Speaker 4: Would like we're going to talk about the.

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Speaker 3: I am petrified the things I see with.

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Speaker 1: It's Night's Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 3: That's right right.

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Speaker 2: The jay for Dan tonight on night said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I did have a topic for nine o'clock, and since

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Speaker 3: So I'm flexible enough to.

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Speaker 2: Talk about that, and I'm curious to know about how you

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Speaker 2: So here's in order to keep things simple for people

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Speaker 3: Now or many of them are right, and.

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Speaker 2: Gas powered motor scooters out of bike lanes. They belong

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Speaker 2: Who actually pedal, a safe place to ride as an

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Speaker 2: Now, if you're going sixty in the car and you

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Speaker 3: From my pote my missives to my town.

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Speaker 2: There will be some folks whining about there's not enough

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Speaker 2: can be used as intended or how about a few bucks.

442
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: More So, there are not lynn Forrester's situations in every town.

443
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: You could be next, my friend, no matter what town

444
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: you're in. And a lot of people live.

445
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: In rural areas and don't don't encounter this much. Well,

446
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: you are on a path, which is and if you're

447
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: in the.

448
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: City, I'll finish up here, finish my screed. If you're

449
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: in the city, you should see the wanton floating of

450
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: the laws. These uh commercial motor scooters, delivery scooters will

451
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: go out of the travel lane in traffic, go into

452
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: a bike lane, blow through a red light, then get

453
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: back in the travel lane. They use these the bike

454
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: lanes as course they feel I don't know what they feel,

455
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: but the practice is it very often used as oh,

456
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: this is now the delivery the food delivery gas lane

457
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: and the really fast e bike lane.

458
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 3: And today I saw a full on.

459
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: Dirt bike, a motorcycle like a competition dirt bike, motorcycle

460
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: whizzing by traffic in the by lane. And so the

461
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: folks who say we can't afford enforcement, yes you can.

462
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, you can't. Not let me see,

463
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: you can't you must. You need to have enforcement, and

464
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: even if it's not all the time, here are some

465
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: things you can do to help that don't cost much money. First,

466
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: you need to change the laws to be relevant to

467
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: the new situation, the new configuration. Two, you need to

468
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: make sure everyone understands.

469
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: The laws, and.

470
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: That the laws are publicly posted and distributed and everybody

471
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: knows and community expectations tell you it's not cool to

472
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: ride your bike on the sidewalk, it's not cool to

473
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: blow by a regular bicyclist. You're doing thirty miles an

474
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: hour in the e bike. Now, I've taken a lot

475
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: of time here, so I'll let you know.

476
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 4: I mean even on our rail. Well, when I was

477
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 4: in the hospital and when I got home, everywhere they

478
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: put up fifteen mile an hour signs that weren't there,

479
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: and I was like, look at that. You know they

480
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: don't and they don't enforce speed or anything, and you know,

481
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 4: I just it's just sad.

482
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Speaker 6: It's just.

483
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: Well cautionary tale.

484
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: All my friends, what happened to Lynn could absolutely happen

485
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: to you, or maybe even worse. Your child or your mother,

486
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: break a hip a situation like.

487
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: That, or a mom carrying a baby and a carrier

488
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: in the front.

489
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

490
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: That so I think we have quick time to take

491
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 2: a call from Jack and Newton. I'm not sure if

492
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: he wants to speak with you, but I'll assume he does.

493
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: Jack and Newton, how.

494
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Speaker 3: Do you do?

495
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 5: What are you doing? I feel I feel very sorry, Lynn.

496
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: I'm glad you survived. I was wondering did the person

497
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 5: stop to help you? Was he charged with anything?

498
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: Wasn't charged because because it was a Class one bike

499
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: which is allowed on that trail. Yes, they stayed apparently

500
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 4: that's what the police said, because I wasn't out of it.

501
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: And yeah, we and we haven't done anything. We're not

502
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: doing anything yet. We're looking into contacting, you know, a

503
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: lawyer or whatever, but we haven't done I'm just getting better.

504
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: That's all I'm concentrating on. Is getting better.

505
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: Right now, you.

506
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: Had twenty four besides the MedFlight and everything, you had

507
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: twenty four days in the house hospital. You must have

508
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: some astronomical medical bills.

509
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm sixty nine and we you know, have Medicare,

510
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 4: So that's that's the one good thing. So, you know,

511
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 4: but I said, you know, I said, my babysat my

512
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: four year old granddaughter all the time, and I'm not

513
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 4: allowed to do that anymore, and that breaks my heart.

514
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: And know there's things I.

515
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Speaker 5: Agree with you. I mean, Bradley, we do need very

516
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 5: all those things that you said. I hope state legislatures

517
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: are listening or somebody's listening and will push these things.

518
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 5: We have to. You know, we have to get them

519
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: licensed to train, because without a license, you can't track

520
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 5: them down. They take off and you need that license.

521
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: And they need insurance. And one of the things I've

522
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 5: talked to some people about is that because the high

523
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 5: cost of insurance and of cars, a lot of we're

524
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 5: mostly younger people, but maybe older as well, have these

525
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 5: bikes because they can't afford, you know, a regular bike,

526
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: and so that that's just what it depends on. That's

527
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: what reason I did talk to a state legislature. I

528
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: won't mention who it is, but it was you know,

529
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 5: it's near you know where I lived, where I live,

530
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 5: and he said, well, you know, you know, you need

531
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Speaker 5: some national laws or something. I don't know what he

532
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 5: was talking about. It didn't seem like she was really

533
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 5: that enthused. I mean, I really have to push them,

534
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: and I think if everyone's listening out there. Really push

535
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: your state legs.

536
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely Well said that, absolutely true.

537
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 2: They're gonna ham and hard and say, well, there's class

538
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: one and class two blah blah blah blah.

539
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: People are getting killed and hurt.

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00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: Tell them that, yeah, I mean, I've been run over.

541
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 5: It's horrible. They just they don't care because no one's

542
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 5: going to catch them. There's no license. They could just

543
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 5: run right off.

544
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: Exactly.

545
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: Whoops, I thought you were done, Jack. The points are

546
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: all great. Oh yeah, without the registration, et cetera. And

547
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: with face coming, you may not ever be able to

548
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: even if they were insured, you may not even be

549
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: able to collect that insurance. So I have one more

550
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: break that John and Wellfleet would like to speak.

551
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: Do you want to stick around for the last eight

552
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: minutes or so or are we good?

553
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 4: Sure?

554
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: Okay, that's cool. Let's do that.

555
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: We'll keep our guests and we will talk to John

556
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: and will Fleet after this.

557
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Speaker 1: On w b Z, it's Night Side with Dan Ray

558
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: on w BZZ, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us, folks.

560
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: We're speaking with Lynn Forrester, who was struck down by

561
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Speaker 2: an e bike and is trying to recover. You have

562
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: a few more minutes to speak with her, and I

563
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: invite your calls at six one, seven, two five for

564
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Speaker 2: ten thirty.

565
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 3: Bet John and will Fleet.

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Speaker 2: First. Lynn's here and John's gonna join us. Hello johnsonhead

567
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: of Lynn.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Hi Lynn. I'm so glad to hear you're on

569
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 6: the road to recovery. I've got to say that I'm

570
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Speaker 6: surprised I haven't heard of more incidents like this. I

571
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 6: don't know if you've been out been to Provincetown lately,

572
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 6: but that has become a laboratory of terror. As far

573
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Speaker 6: as e bikes, thanks scooter petticabs. I attended a select

574
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Speaker 6: Board meeting on Monday there too, because they were addressing

575
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 6: traffic issues, and I made a point of speaking out

576
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 6: about the petticbs, in particular that operate at high rates

577
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 6: of speed or motor assisted. There is no regulation whatsoever.

578
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 6: And I'm an avid cyclist myself when I have the

579
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Speaker 6: time on a real bicycle, and I'm appalled at the

580
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 6: lack of enforcement of a bicycle. Even a pedal powered

581
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 6: bike is a wheeled vehicle and is therefore considered a

582
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 6: wheeled vehicle as far as the laws are concerned. And

583
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Speaker 6: I see them out there on the long side of

584
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 6: the highway, no lights at night. Just ridiculous. And you know,

585
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 6: I'll make a comparison here. I'm also a licensed captain

586
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 6: and if you have a boat other than a rowboat,

587
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 6: I don't care if it's just got a little electric

588
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 6: trolling motor on it. It has to be registered, right,

589
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 6: that's great. Yeah, And I don't know why they don't

590
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: apply the same logic to these e bikes and scooters.

591
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 6: And people need to be held accountable. People in Profitstown

592
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 6: there have been collisions with pedestrians. They've had people thrown

593
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 6: out of petticabs that have taken corners too fast. A

594
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 6: lot of these people aren't insured. It's it's it's ridiculous.

595
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm all about, you know, freedom and individual responsibility,

596
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 6: but when people won't exercise that responsibility, then the laws

597
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 6: have to step in.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that call, John, thank you very much.

599
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems like all these bikes and stuff have

600
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Speaker 4: kind of like taken over so quickly, and there's just

601
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: so many of them and so many different varieties. It's

602
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: just it's frightening.

603
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: We live in a world now where people won't correct

604
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: other people's children in there misbehaving.

605
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: Nobody has the courage to speak up.

606
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: They don't want to seem politically incorrect by saying, hey,

607
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: you know, by pushing against bicycles and cycle culture right

608
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: and micro.

609
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: Mobility vehicles.

610
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: But make no mistake, my friends, pedestrians are under siege.

611
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: It's a war against pedestrians, and all you pedestrians need

612
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: to flex what muscle you have. One big hypocrisy is

613
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: that this is a state, if I'm not mistaken, that

614
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 2: requires a certain special kind of child's.

615
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 3: Seat even in a car.

616
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: Right, and I believe it's a state that requires seat belts.

617
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: Yet these things are out there which present an immediate

618
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 2: and severe danger and it needs to change.

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Speaker 4: Quickly, quickly, exactly, very short.

620
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: Time here, And thanks again Linda, Glenn and Merrimack. Thanks

621
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Speaker 3: for being a busy.

622
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: How are you.

623
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Speaker 7: So we've talked about laws and had a career of

624
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 7: police work, and operationally this is a nightmare for those

625
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 7: who would be charged with enforcing it. It kind of

626
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 7: gives rise that the only effective means you would have

627
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 7: would be the lone range of the last suit.

628
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Speaker 3: So you bring up I understand the point you're making.

629
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Speaker 3: Thank you.

630
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Speaker 2: I'm out of time, as they say, you spoke about enforcement,

631
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: and you will hear people whyting about, hey, we don't

632
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: have money for enforcement. You spend that money on bike Lan,

633
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: spend a few of the more bucks and save some lives.

634
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: I want to spend the remaining time, which is only

635
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: twenty seconds, to thank you Lynn Forrester, for.

636
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: Having a career.

637
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 6: Welcome to come.

638
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: Forward and be kind of the face of this. I

639
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: really appreciate it well and all the best to you.

640
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: I really mean it.

641
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you very much.

642
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: Now the uh, the shutdown is almost over, just needs

643
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: a presidential signature, which is expected tonight, and I expect

644
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: we should address that, don't you think a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's w b Z