1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike, Sincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: Sponsorman Park by Cincy Shirts, Cincy Shirts all Cincy all day. 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It's our number two, Cincy three sixty. 5 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Thank you to our friends at Cincy Shirts. 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: Find out more at Cincy shirts dot com to check 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: in with everything they have going on. It's Tuesday, it's 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 2: t one o'clock. We go to our guy from Fox nineteen. 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: Joe Daniman is joining us right now. 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 3: Hi, Joe, So let me thank you a picture of 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 3: how things are right now at pay Course Stadium. So 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 3: there I am, last evening. It's about six o'clock. I'm 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: running my own live shot. I'm doing a live shot 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: for the news, and I have the camera turned on myself, 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: and I don't really know what's going on behind me 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: because I'm one man banding this and I'm focused right 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: on the camera. Ruh. Until I noticed behind me, which 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 3: would have been in the shot if I didn't notice it, 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 3: and would have been on TV. A gentleman who's down 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: on his luck urinating on the stadium. Oh God, goodness, 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 3: so I noticed this about thirty seconds before my shot 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: and turned. 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 4: The camera the other way and we made it out of. 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: Their Okay, but four things things are roughing out of 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: the stadium. 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 5: That guy might end up being a trendsetter if he'd 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 5: been on TV. 28 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 4: Baba booie. 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: The news of Logan Wilson uh not only him being traded, 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: but recouping a seventh round pick. Your reaction was what. 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: That it had to happen that Logan needed a fresh 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: start somewhere and the Bengals needed to move on without 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: him to clear the way for Demetrius Knight and Barrett 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: Carter to perhaps take a next step in what their 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: development is looking. Bengals are going all in on these 36 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: two guys not only to be starters, but to be 37 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: cornerstones of what they're trying to build defensively. And I 38 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: know it hasn't looked good so far, but they've invested 39 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: draft capital in these players. 40 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: They've invested now this. 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 3: Season in these players and maybe the future of some 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: coaching jobs in these players. To make this kind of move. 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: They believe both of those players can be leaders. They 44 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: believe that's what this team needs. And this is clear 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: of the way for those guys to start that development. 46 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: It can be hard for a young guy when you 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: have someone like Logan Wilson in the room who has 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: accomplished a lot here in Cincinnati, has been a part 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: of some really big moments here with the Bengals, and 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: now that he's out of there, they can kind of 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: take control of the room and feel more comfortable and 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 3: maybe taking that next step of development. So it had 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: to happen. I didn't know what the Bengals would get 54 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: in return. It sounds about right, a seventh round pick 55 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 3: for what Logan Wilson has looked like this year. It's 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: not like it's a great situation for him, and going 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: to Dallas, their defense is almost as bad as the Bengals, 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: and it feels like their season is trending in the 59 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: same direction as the Bengals. But he can play, and 60 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: now he get on the field, he can play, and 61 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: this clears the way here for the Bengals to get 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: those two young linebackers try to start their next step 63 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: of development. 64 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: The conversation obviously then turns to Trey Hendrickson. The deadline 65 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 2: is now a couple hours away. Do you envision at 66 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: all Joe Trey Hendrickson potentially being on the move over 67 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: the next couple hours. 68 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: That's a really hard question to answer. I would sure 69 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: hope they're listening and not going just listening, but listening 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: with intent, because you know, the reports have been at 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: the Bengals are asking for a really high price in 72 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: return for Trey Hendrickson. But if this season is lost, 73 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: and we understand there's still an avenue of a tag 74 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: and trade next year, but if this season is lost, 75 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: and it's about acquiring assets to take as many swings 76 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: as you can on trying to find people that can 77 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: come in and help this defense, and certainly that would 78 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: come with skepticism from the fan base because look how 79 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: many swings they took on the defense this year. 80 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 4: And they haven't hit. 81 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: Look how many swings they've taken with defensive draft picks 82 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: in the last five years and they haven't hit. So 83 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 3: is adding more draft picks to let go of Trey 84 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: Hendrickson the right move? I don't know, but I certainly 85 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: think these are discussions that I hope they're having. 86 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: I hope these are. 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: Discussions that they're having with intent to pull the trigger 88 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: that if it looks good enough to go ahead and 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: do it. Trey Henderson talked about it yesterday, and that 90 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: was different. I didn't expect him to talk about it. 91 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: It kind of felt like yesterday. What was a moment 92 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: for a lot of those defensive players to understand a 93 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: part of their job is to explain what's going on, 94 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: to answer questions about what's happening, and Tred being a captain, 95 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: I felt the need to get. 96 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 4: In front of a microphone and talk. 97 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: But obviously he couldn't answer many questions about what's going 98 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 3: on with a possible trade of what might happen today. 99 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: But you see big names moving now right Sauce Gardner's 100 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: on the move on the Bengals. I'm on the phone 101 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 3: about Quinn and Williams. If they're really going to start 102 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: unloading big names, good players. If the Bengals have problems 103 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: right in the draft of using assets and using them 104 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: the right way, why not try to go for a 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: known commodity and then you use some of your draft 106 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: picks to get a known commodity you know can play, 107 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 3: and then you can resupplement yourself from what draft picks 108 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: you gave up by trading Trey Hendrickson to someone else. 109 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: So Hopefully these are conversations that are happening because the 110 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 3: rest of the league is very active right now, and 111 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: it's not just seventh round picks and guys who are 112 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: who need to leave and get a change of scenery. 113 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: There are good players on the move, and I think 114 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: the Bengals need to be active in a day like that. 115 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: Not to me is that it was the follow up. 116 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily just have to be well, you're a 117 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: losing team right now, so you just have to move 118 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: on from guys. There is a world, there is an 119 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: avenue where instead of taking the risk with draft picks, 120 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: you move on and say, let's go get a known 121 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: commodity that we can push into this defense for the 122 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: rest of this year and starting next year and know 123 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: you have something there and someone that has proven. Is 124 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: that an avenue that maybe gets this team back again. 125 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: We never thought top ten defense could reworking the defense 126 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: in that sense maybe get you back to the middle 127 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: of the pack for next year. 128 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: You're looking for a jolt, right You're looking for a 129 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: jolt that changes this locker room. That happened when they 130 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: got Joe Flacco. You can feel it, and you saw 131 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: the way they played once they got Joe Flacco, that 132 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 3: there was a jolt of energy inside that room, a 133 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 3: known commodity, a guy that has done it in this league, 134 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 3: and the rest of the group rallied around that. You 135 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: could feel the energy change inside the room. And they 136 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: got Joe Flacco. So why wouldn't it happen again if 137 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: you got someone who's already proven he can play in 138 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 3: this league. 139 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: And here's my biggest thing, guys, is. 140 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: This investment in change the Bengals have made on the 141 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 3: defensive side of the football, when it comes to changing 142 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: the coordinator, when it comes to changing players by adding 143 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: so many draft picks and now trading Logan Wilson. The 144 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: biggest issue I have with all of this change is 145 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: what's the return of investment on that change? So far, 146 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: it's been nothing, And that's got to be the scariest 147 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: part for not only the fan base, but for the 148 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: people inside the building to look at everything they've invested in. 149 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: They've invested in so much change in the return on 150 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: investment has been. 151 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 4: Minimal to none. 152 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: So if you do bring in a known commodity, that 153 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: takes that all out of the equation, right of the 154 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: mystery of is this person going to pan out. Is 155 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: this guy worth the pick that we're using on him. 156 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 4: If you bring in a. 157 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: Known commodity on defense, not only are you changing the 158 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: energy inside the locker room, but now you have real 159 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: tangible change of investment and you have real return in 160 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: that investment going forward. That to me is the biggest 161 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: thing is looking forward to next year. What do we 162 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: have right? We have these guys we're playing the young players. 163 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: These guys are going to develop into good players. We 164 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: don't know that because they haven't shown that yet. We 165 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: haven't seen those flashes. That has to be scary for 166 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: the organization. So they can get someone they know can play, 167 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: has proven he can play and can be with this 168 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: team for multiple years. Absolutely, go do it, because then 169 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: you have hope for the future that there's someone in 170 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: the building that can be a difference maker on this defense. 171 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: There has never been that I can remember, this much 172 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 5: heat on Duke Tobin for the decisions that he has 173 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 5: made in the role that he has played in all 174 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 5: of this. Earlier today, Joe Mike Florio from NBC Sports 175 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 5: reported that or He said on his show that there 176 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 5: is a bubbling up that Duke Tobin is going to 177 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 5: be out maybe during the bye week, maybe sooner heads 178 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 5: are going to role in Cincinnati. That's from Mike Florio. 179 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 5: What's your response upon hearing that. 180 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: I think it with this organization, everything is I'll believe 181 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: it when I see it. I see better than I 182 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: hear kind of thing. Going back to that, I think 183 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: everybody who's watched this team reported on this team. I 184 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 3: think we're all conditioned that they typically let a season 185 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: play out and then make decisions at the end of 186 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: the season. That seems to be their rhythm, and that's 187 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: kind of the laine I'm operating in right now. 188 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: Has Duke Tobin done enough. 189 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: To maintain his position here in Cincinnati? Has he not 190 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: done a good enough job for him to keep doing 191 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 3: what he's doing in Cincinnati. It's complicated considering he's basically 192 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: family to the organization, and for me to try to 193 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 3: get inside the minds of the Brown family in the 194 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 3: front office and figure out what they're going to do 195 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: with Duke Tobin, it feels complicated. It feels hard certainly 196 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 3: on the surface. Anybody who sees what the Bengals are 197 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,599 Speaker 3: putting on the field and the swings and this is 198 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: they've had, especially on the defensive side of the football, 199 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: and the draft would say, Okay, it's time for change. 200 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 3: We've seen this enough, it hasn't worked. Bringing somebody else 201 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: to take a swing at this and see if he 202 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: can build a better roster. I kind of feel like 203 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: Duke Hobin's going to be haunted by what he said 204 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 3: at the Draft Combine when he said I'm not going 205 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: to pay more for the same team. Well, he's paying 206 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: more now for a worse team, and that to me 207 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: would be a haunting sentence for a guy to carry around. 208 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 3: Now that we've seen what this team is through nine weeks. 209 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna. 210 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: Stay in the lane of he most likely stays here 211 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: until the end of the year and then it's evaluated 212 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 3: at the end of the year. But the Bengals have 213 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 3: started to do things in recent years that have surprised me. 214 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: You know what they did today what would have been 215 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: a surprise a few years ago. So yeah, I understand 216 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 3: where the reports are coming from. Certainly the microscope and 217 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: the crosshairs have to be. 218 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 4: On Duke Tobin. 219 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 3: I think he's the one that they should be on 220 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: the most for what we're watching right now, because to me, 221 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 3: it just seems a team devoid of talent on the 222 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: defensive side of the football, and that falls at his doorstep. 223 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: But what the Bengals will do the rhythm of what 224 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: they've done traditionally, let seasons play out and then evaluate. 225 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 4: We'll see if that. 226 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: Changes this year. 227 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 5: I've always kind of gotten a feeling too that it 228 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 5: got to a point with Marvin Lewis that he was 229 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 5: like that, like he was like a member of the 230 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: family and kind of insulated and eventually they broke things 231 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 5: off with him. So I don't know if I would 232 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 5: say it's completely impossible, but you know, we have kind 233 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 5: of seen that in the past. I compare where Duke 234 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 5: is at right now to the end of Marvin Lewis. 235 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 5: That's just the vibe that I get. I don't know. 236 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: Sure now, and I'm with you, and it's not just 237 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: Duke right The conversation is going to be around the 238 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: head coach as well, and that's what happens in situations 239 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: like this. And people are going to read through the 240 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: lines of what Zach Taylor said yesterday about his coaching staff, 241 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: his belief in the defensive coaches, that there have been 242 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: good coaches where they've been, they'll be good coaches here, 243 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: and I think sometimes and I'm guilty of it too, 244 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: that we become slaves of the actual quote that what 245 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 3: Zach Taylor going to say, if they're not going to 246 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: make changes, He's obviously going to publicly back them and 247 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: say that he believes in them, that he trusts them, 248 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: no matter how he feels about the situation, because if 249 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: they are handpicked by him, it eventually falls on his door, 250 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: right And we talk about the blame, and we can 251 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: keep circling the wheel of blame and who's it going 252 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: to land on it? And Duke Tobin deserves a big 253 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: piece of it, and Zach Taylor deserves a big piece 254 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: of it, and certainly his evaluation will have to go 255 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: forward to But at the same time, it's one of 256 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: those things that I'm with you that does feel different 257 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: Unduke to But it feels like the noise is louder 258 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: than ever. It feels like influential voices around the league 259 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: are talking about it in a different way than we've 260 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 3: heard before, and that to me adds a little bit 261 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: of more smoke to what feels to be a smoldering 262 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 3: fire here in Cincinnati of change. But I still believe 263 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: I still believe that that the change likely won't come 264 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 3: until the end of the season. Happy to be surprised, 265 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: right this, this could happen. 266 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 4: This is the time. It's midway through the season. 267 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: We've seen enough, it's by week, it's a reset time. 268 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: Could it happen now? 269 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 4: Certainly it could? 270 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 3: But the laye i'ves both operate in for too long 271 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: is let a season play out and evaluate at the 272 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: end of the year. 273 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: I got a two part question for you as it 274 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: pertains to what happened on Sunday. One, we heard from 275 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: Chase Brown, we heard from Jamar Chase after the game, 276 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: and the choice words that they have. I'll start with 277 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 2: this one. Did you have a problem with what they 278 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: had to say in the platform in which they used 279 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: to say it? 280 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 5: And Two? 281 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: If they're willing to say that publicly, how bad are 282 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 2: things getting privately? What's the tension like around the locker room? 283 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: Is it something that you can feel being around it? 284 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 2: I know the bye week happened, so things probably happened 285 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: at a pretty good time, But your reaction to what 286 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: they had to say and the tension that now follows that. 287 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: In the locker room, Yeah, things have picked up in 288 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: the last two weeks, the Jets loss and the Bear's 289 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 3: loss have added a layer of tension to the room 290 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 3: that feels different and it has all year long. No 291 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: problem whatsoever with what Chase Brown said, No problem whatsoever 292 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: with what Jamar Chase said. You think about what Chase 293 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: Brown did on Sunday, and Dak Taylor made the point 294 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: yesterday that he pulled him aside and said, hey, listen, 295 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 3: you know you weren't perfect in that game either, And 296 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: Chase Brown had some moments to drop pass, he had 297 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: a misassignment. 298 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: I get it. 299 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: Chase Brown put his body on the line that last drive. 300 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 3: You think about him trying to hurdle a player and 301 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: getting flipped mid air and landing on his back to 302 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: try to make a play for this team to win 303 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: a game. You think about what t Higgins did trying 304 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: the high point of football, knowing he was gonna fall 305 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: back with no way to brace his fall and land 306 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: directly on his back and his helmet and he was 307 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: knocked out for the rest of the game. 308 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: When you have star players laying it. 309 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: On the line, the way these guys are putting their 310 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: bodies in danger, was going to win a game. 311 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 4: Joe Flacca as well. And we all get it. 312 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 3: The season is probably lost, and these guys are doing this, 313 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: they have every right to say whatever the heck they 314 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: want about a defense that was walking out of the 315 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 3: locker room and refusing to talk about their performance. And 316 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 3: to me, if I'm Chase Brown, I'm pissed, and you 317 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: can if you go back and watch it. I know 318 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: you guys have played the audio. You go back and 319 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: watch it. Watch Chase Brown's eyes look to the defense 320 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: the side of the room when he's starting to answer 321 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: that question. He looks the defensive side of the room 322 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: to see if anybody's there that can hear him. And 323 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: you know, you get in these moments where you start 324 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: talking like this, and I'm sure Chase Brown, hey, and 325 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he doesn't want to take it back. 326 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: Maybe he's happy he said what he said because it 327 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: lit a little bit of whatever's happening right now with 328 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: us talking about it. But he looked at the defensive 329 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: side of the room and they're all gone. None of 330 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 3: them were in there to explain what happened or speak 331 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: to the fan base about what happened and what's going 332 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: to change in the future. 333 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: Now, I get it. 334 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: If you're a guy like Jordan Battle and you make 335 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: a play like he made, or if you're Shamar Stewart, 336 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: or if you're Demetrius Knight and these guys are making 337 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: mistakes and missing plays, what are they supposed to say? 338 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: What can I say after a moment like that? That's 339 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: going to a piece of fan base that has pitchforks 340 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 3: and torches that want to come in here and run 341 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: us all out of town. But you just have to 342 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: write so the offensive players don't have to answer the 343 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: questions for you. That is part of professional protocol inside 344 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: of the locker room. Never make a teammate answer the 345 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: questions that I have to answer. And in this case, 346 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 3: Chase Brown and Jamar Chase had to speak for the 347 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: defense because no one was there to speak about themselves. 348 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: That changed yesterday, Dak Taylor's message got through. People wonder 349 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 3: about how Zach Taylor handled it. Geno Stone talked, Jordan 350 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: Battle talked, Caam Taylor Brick talk Dray Henderson, who never 351 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: does talk. In fact, Geno Stone waited while we were 352 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 3: interviewing Cam Taylor Brick because he wanted to get in 353 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: front of a microphone and say what he wanted to 354 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 3: say that had been cool on Sunday to do it. 355 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: Then I'm not saying he ran out, but he wasn't 356 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 3: in there when I was there. But guys did take accountability. 357 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 3: But it was twenty four hours too late, and Chase 358 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 3: Brown's cat was out. 359 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 4: Of the bag. 360 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: Is the ping pong table still in the locker room? 361 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 4: Gone? 362 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: Get right from existence? 363 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 5: Okay? Cam it? When was that? When did that happen? 364 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 5: We know these things. 365 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: Oh, you know what I'm trying to think. Yeah, I 366 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: got him in there every day. It's like staring in 367 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: the mirror. You never noticed change unless you've been gone 368 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 3: for a long Yeah. I don't believe the ping pong 369 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 3: table was in there yesterday now that I think about it, 370 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 3: yet it's gone. 371 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 4: I think. Don't don't hold me for that. But I 372 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: think I. 373 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: Have one more question for you. But it doesn't pertain 374 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: to anything with the Bengals. 375 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 5: Uh Oh. 376 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: It was reported earlier by Bleacher Report and many other 377 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: outlets Joe that Tom Brady has revealed that his current 378 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: dog Juni, is a clone of his late dog Lua, 379 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: who passed away in December of twenty twenty three. The 380 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: dogs were cloned by Colossal Bioscienceists, a biotech company in 381 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: which Brady is an investor, using blood collected prior to 382 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 2: lewis death. What are your thoughts on cloning? 383 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: Oh, I'll say this about people with stupid money, and 384 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: people with stupid money can do whatever the heck they 385 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: want with it. It's their money, and you know we 386 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: talk about it, you know, Joe Burrow buying a batmobile 387 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 3: and athletes and what they do with their money. When 388 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 3: younger people have money, they have nothing to do with 389 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 3: it but do stupid stuff. Tom Brady's not young. Tom 390 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 3: Brady's in its forty. 391 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 4: Don't quote a dog. 392 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: How many dogs are out there that eat a home? Right? 393 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 5: Yeah? 394 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: We have it on the dues every single night about 395 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: these dogs that are abused. 396 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: And dogs that need homes. 397 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 3: Come on, Tom, don't get a dog that needs a home. 398 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't clone your dog. 399 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 3: Ridiculous. But it's your money to be a stupid money. 400 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 3: Do whatever you want to do with your stupid money, 401 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 3: even if it's a stupid thing. 402 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 5: Well said, I like that. 403 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 2: Lastly, was anyone in the. 404 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 5: Do whatever you want to do with your stupid money, 405 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 5: even if it's a stupid thing. 406 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: I know it's a bye week. I know just first 407 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: and second year players are around. Any other attention to 408 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 2: detail to kicker balls versus quarterback balls. 409 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 5: Oh boy, how about that? 410 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 3: I was wondering what the heck happened on that He 411 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 3: just kicked the near seven of the yard field goal 412 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: in Green Bay. The first thing I did when that 413 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: ball landed short, I looked right at the flags at 414 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 3: pay Course Stadium and said, wait a. 415 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 4: Minute, there's no wine. What the heck happened? I was 416 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: trying to think of. It was like me in the 417 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: fairway when you hit like. 418 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 3: Three inches of grass before you hit the ball, and 419 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: you hit it fat and it comes up short. I'm like, 420 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: maybe that happened to Evan McPherson. But it was so accurate. 421 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 3: It was right down in the middle and when it 422 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: came up short. So I'm glad there was an explanation 423 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 3: because I was really confused on what happened on that play. 424 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 2: It is it's a bye week for the Bengals. Does 425 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: that change anything you guys got going on with Fox nineteen. 426 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: We have no Bengals now tomorrow night, so we are 427 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: taking a week off from our Bengals show. Where back 428 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: at it next week? 429 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: Bengals. Now I am trying. I'm trying, and. 430 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 3: He has said he's open to it. Trying to get 431 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: Joe Flacco for the show. How cool would that be? 432 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: Like to put on some mister Rogers sweaters? Ye, and 433 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: we're going to dad the heck out of this show. 434 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 4: We can get Joe Flacco. 435 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 5: It's not too late for him, is it. He's normally 436 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 5: in better around then. 437 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 4: That's right. 438 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: It's six o'clock, so he should be good. 439 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 4: Guys. 440 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. 441 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: When we get Joe. 442 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: Flacco on the show, I want Tony and Austin in attendance, 443 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: and I will buy you guys a beer that night. 444 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: I was I was often compared coming out to Joe 445 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: Flacco in the draft. Uh, for no other reason. Then 446 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: we're both tall. There was no other comparison other than 447 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 2: arm strength and height. And yet his career is still flourishing. 448 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 2: So I I would like to see that man. It 449 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: would be next Wednesday? Is that correct? 450 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: That's the hope. 451 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: It's next Wednesday. I gotta lock it down. Can I 452 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: say one. 453 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: Last thing about Joe Flacco? 454 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 5: Yes? 455 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: And the defense? 456 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: The defense has stolen from us the the best story 457 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 458 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 5: Right, now no doubt. 459 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 3: If Joe Blacco were winning games, and he's done everything 460 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 3: he can to win games. He's got over one thousand 461 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 3: yards passing his last three games, ten total touchdowns. This 462 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 3: would be the best story in the NFL, correct, right 463 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: here in Cincinnati, if the defense wasn't stealing the best 464 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 3: story in the NFL. Thieves thaves of joy the Angles defense. 465 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: Joe Daniman, you're the best. 466 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 5: Maririme has really gotten out of control. You're the best. 467 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: We'll talk soon, boy, Joe Daniell, Fox nineteen. We we 468 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: got to get to talk back. 469 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 5: You can't do so like we can do an hour straight. 470 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 5: We could be like Bob Trump. He just blow out 471 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 5: the commercials with Joe, did Joe dan It goes way 472 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 5: too fast. 473 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to Cinti shirts. 474 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 4: Now your chance to win a thousand