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Speaker 3: early today. There's a UK broadcast at five thirty the

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Speaker 3: Wildcats taking on Missouri, tip off at seven o'clock live

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Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty. A game last night in Morgantown

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Speaker 3: for the UC Bearcats that followed pretty familiar script. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: another game there for the taking and another close loss,

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Speaker 3: this time to the West Virginia Mountaineers. The Bearcats fall

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Speaker 3: to eight and seven on the season. Another heartbreaker last

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Speaker 3: night for the UC Bearcats. Another game there for the taking,

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Speaker 3: and I think a moment last night. Where as pessimistic

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Speaker 3: as this may sound, I think it's grounded in reality.

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Speaker 3: Bearcats led by five last night, about four minutes to go,

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Speaker 3: and they had the ball. Now, if you score there,

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Speaker 3: the game is obviously not over. Teams have come back

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Speaker 3: from down seven or eight points with just under four

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Speaker 3: minutes to go. But boy, you're in the driver's seat.

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Speaker 3: You're in the driver's seat less than four minutes to

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Speaker 3: go if you score up five. And as it turned out,

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Speaker 3: they didn't even get a shot off Boba Miller with

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Speaker 3: a turnover on a pass into the corner. And be

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Speaker 3: honest with me, be honest with me. If you're a Bearcat,

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Speaker 3: that moment there knews spelled doom.

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Speaker 2: From there.

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Speaker 3: More turnovers, some shots, some I have no issue with

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Speaker 3: being taken. Some like Boba Miller, who's an eleven percent

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Speaker 3: three point shooter, lifting one from the top of the key.

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Speaker 3: There's a foul committed when a foul didn't need to

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Speaker 3: There's the tracin eagle staff prayer three in front of

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Speaker 3: the West Virginia bench. There's the play that Gisel James

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Speaker 3: makes to give the Bearcats a shot, but instead of

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Speaker 3: taking a couple of dribbles and giving himself a better look,

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Speaker 3: a better shot, he throws up a desperation heave and

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Speaker 3: the Bearcats lose another just gut punch of a game

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Speaker 3: to West Virginia, sixty two to sixty the final score

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Speaker 3: last night. And you know, we talked about a familiar script,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's been that way for this team all

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Speaker 3: season long. For the most part, every single one of

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Speaker 3: their losses has been for the taking in the second half.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit less so the Louisville game, because

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals very quickly erased a halftime deficit in that

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Speaker 3: game downtown. But for the most part, when they have lost,

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Speaker 3: they've had chances to make plays to win the game

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Speaker 3: in at least the final ten minutes and in a

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Speaker 3: couple of cases the last few minutes, and well, in

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Speaker 3: the case of their last three losses, in the closing seconds.

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Speaker 3: And there have been some common themes, right, like lack

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Speaker 3: of execution, like some let's call them what they are

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Speaker 3: feeling is familiar, and each subsequent loss drowns out whatever

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Speaker 3: you want to beat your chest out about when it

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Speaker 3: comes to effort right like, we're we're seventeen. We're fifteen

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Speaker 3: games into this. It's seven losses during a season that

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Speaker 3: the Bearcats must make the tournament, and maybe a thought

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Speaker 3: both for this team to already have seven losses and

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Speaker 3: at face value, there is nothing wrong with losing at

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Speaker 3: home to Houston, and there's nothing wrong with losing on

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Speaker 3: the road in conference play to a team that is

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Speaker 3: one of the best in the country defensively, and West

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Speaker 3: lose sometimes in conference play in what are basically fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty games, and a lot of the losses in

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Speaker 3: a vacuum not a big deal. Losing to Louisville no

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Speaker 3: big deal. Losing to a good Georgia team, no big deal.

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Speaker 3: Losing to Clemson, no big deal. Even losing at Xavier

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Speaker 3: and you're staring at seven losses and you know some

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Speaker 3: of the games they still have in front of them, well, then.

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Speaker 2: There's a really.

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Speaker 3: There's a real sense that the season has reached its

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Speaker 3: conclusion before we even get to February. Now, Wes Miller

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Speaker 3: over when it's not. They got sixteen regular season games

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Speaker 3: I feel like for most it's taken a little bit

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Speaker 3: have time to play it in its entirety Tony and

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Speaker 3: Austin did By. Now, if you're a Bearcat fan, or

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Speaker 3: heard about the postgame show. Dan Horde called in at

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Speaker 3: show last night for Morgantown, frankly was a lot like

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Speaker 3: the postgame show on Saturday after they lost to Houston.

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Speaker 3: Here is Wes Miller with Dan and Terry last night

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Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: Coach Miller has joined us now courtside here in Morgantown. Coach,

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Speaker 4: I feel for everybody in that locker room.

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Speaker 5: Uh right now, you've got a great don't feel. Don't

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Speaker 5: I don't care about the noise, Dan, I don't care.

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Speaker 5: I don't care what people think. I only care about

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Speaker 5: know what, it's almost comical. We'll get a break. We

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Speaker 5: just got to stay together and stay brilliant. It's us

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Speaker 5: a break. We're gonna keep going, period.

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 5: I'll answer any questions you guys want. Everybody can quit

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Speaker 6: Come.

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Speaker 4: I only feel I feel for them in the sense

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Speaker 4: and couldn't finish, unfortunately, for the second game in a row.

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Speaker 4: Tell us what you were looking for offensively in those

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Speaker 5: Just a good look to get it on the rim,

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Speaker 5: not to turn it over. You know. Last game, we

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Speaker 3: From your perspective, how did they get away at the end?

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's like takes a perspective. I think

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Speaker 5: we fouled a three point shooter at the end of

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Speaker 5: They fell in an absolute prayer. There's there's seven points.

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Speaker 5: That's how you lose the game. Those those seven points,

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Speaker 2: That's how you lose the game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, come on, man, you can't make the mistake

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Speaker 5: DA can't even argue that. And then they fell the

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Speaker 5: So there, I mean, I'm not coming at you, guys.

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Speaker 5: I'm not coming at you guys. Hopefully y'all will stay

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Speaker 5: He got off to a slow start, but there you go.

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Speaker 3: There's Dan and Terry with Wes Miller last night on

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Speaker 2: And again that.

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Speaker 3: Was not that dissimilar from the postgame show on Saturday

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Speaker 3: But it's it's always been a bit of a cooling

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Speaker 3: cooling off period. I think it would make sense for WES,

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Speaker 3: an emotional game, came to an end, and so I

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Speaker 3: to I don't know, just tell Wes moving.

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Speaker 2: Forward, win or lose. Maybe it would.

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Speaker 3: Make sense to go somewhere and catch your breath, collect

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Speaker 3: maybe not quite as emotional.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm a fan.

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Speaker 3: If I had to do a show right after games

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: Many have said this, and it's true. I think you

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Speaker 3: are hearing somebody who clearly feels pressure, and why would

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Speaker 3: he not. Right year five season is not going well.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have a lot of past big time success

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Speaker 3: like I'm sure it feels like almost physically, like the

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Speaker 2: I can empathize with that.

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Speaker 3: In terms of what he kind of had to say

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Speaker 3: I think what's I don't know sad to me about

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Speaker 3: Russini of The Athletic, the Cleveland Browns have requested an

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Speaker 3: interview with Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher for their head

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Speaker 3: coaching vacancy, which I would wonder if Dan Pitcher got

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Speaker 3: that job, should he just sell his house to Brian Callahan. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: college basketball tonight, Xavier's on the road against a five

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Speaker 3: and ten Marquette team. The Muskies, coming off a loss

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Speaker 3: in Chicago to De Paul on Saturday, tip off at

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Speaker 3: seven pm on.

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Speaker 2: Seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 3: Also, Kentucky, coming off their loss on Saturday to Alabama,

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Speaker 3: is battling Missouri tonight. That game will tip off at

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Speaker 3: seven point thirty and pregame coverage on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 3: will begin at five o'clock. By the way, we had

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Speaker 3: a good conversation yesterday with Paul Danner Junior about his

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Speaker 3: take on the Bengals, and I understand not everybody subscribes

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Speaker 3: to every publication, so you know, you might not read

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Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior's work in The Athletic because you don't subscribe,

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Speaker 3: although I would highly encourage you to because I think

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Speaker 3: it's a great site. I think Paul's coverage is worth it.

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Speaker 3: I think see trans coverage of the Reds is worth it.

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Speaker 3: So there you go. There's my endorsement for that website.

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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of folks read the headline

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Speaker 3: that Paul tweeted out, which he makes the case for

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Speaker 3: Zach and Duke coming back, and I don't agree with

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Speaker 3: a lot of sense. We talked about it in great

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Speaker 3: detail yesterday afternoon, and if you miss that conversation.

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Speaker 2: It's available. We record stuff, we put it on the internet.

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Speaker 3: It's on the iHeartRadio app or my page at ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty dot com. Podcasts of this show are a

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Speaker 3: service of Long Neck Sports.

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Speaker 2: Grow by the Way.

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Speaker 3: Between the college football playoff tomorrow and Friday, two NFL

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Speaker 3: playoff games on Saturday, three NFL playoff games on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: one more on Monday, and all the college basketball. You

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Speaker 3: can pretty much live at Long Next for like five

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Speaker 3: straight days. They won't let you spend the night there,

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Speaker 3: but you can sleep in the parking lot if you want.

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Speaker 3: Long Next, Wilder, Hebrin and rich Wood. All right, we'll

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Speaker 3: talk to as many as we can.

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Speaker 2: Ian. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Ian, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 11: How are you hey?

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Speaker 8: Brother?

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Speaker 12: Happy Wednesday? Yes, two things. Man and I talked about

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Speaker 12: this like a year ago, because I'm not an expert

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Speaker 12: about ANIL and transfer transfer portal, but I'm going to

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Speaker 12: group them together, okay, And it's just just my opinion

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Speaker 12: from what I see, And I think this comes into

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Speaker 12: play with like, I don't a team like the Bearcats

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Speaker 12: the football and the basketball team before there was a

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Speaker 12: transfer portal or nil money, it was already like kind

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Speaker 12: of like hit or miss when these teams would.

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Speaker 7: Have good runs.

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Speaker 12: It's hard enough for this town the way it is,

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Speaker 12: and with the way I'm not I'm I agree with you,

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Speaker 12: like I want to see talent get paid. I'm not

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Speaker 12: opposed to that, and them moving around not necessarily a

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Speaker 12: bad thing, but the way it's set up. I see

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Speaker 12: a pattern that's kind of like chronic.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 12: For one thing, small schools like this, you got source

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Speaker 12: Bee just jumping ghosting. It's already hard enough, you know.

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Speaker 12: And then another example is you hand an eighteen year

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Speaker 12: old of Ferrari.

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Speaker 13: I'm just using that.

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Speaker 12: For an example that doesn't Let's just say they don't

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Speaker 12: have much respect and are they gonna do everything that's

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Speaker 12: required to be responsible.

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Speaker 10: Some will, but a lot won't.

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Speaker 12: Man, And it just they need to really dig into

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Speaker 12: this stuff and take it seriously and make adjustments with

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Speaker 12: both of those things. As far as money and transferring, I.

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Speaker 2: Just don't think it.

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Speaker 11: I think it creates a huge.

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Speaker 2: Bat Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree. But in the absence of collective bargaining,

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Speaker 3: how do you achieve that?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: See, that's the thing I don't know about like all that,

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Speaker 12: you know what I mean. But I just know that

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Speaker 12: it's something seriously needs to change.

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Speaker 13: Mike Yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all of us, you, me, and and

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Speaker 3: many many, many others. It's very it's very easy to

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Speaker 3: identify the problems, right It's it's very easy to identify

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Speaker 3: the things that have have swung the balance of power

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Speaker 3: and favor of the players too much. And I am

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Speaker 3: the quintessential like pro labor, pro player guy, but things

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Speaker 3: have gone too far in their direction in the absence

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Speaker 3: of collective bargaining, which I don't know how you do.

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Speaker 3: In the absence of collective bargaining, I don't know how

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Speaker 3: we craft rules that achieve some semblance of order that

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Speaker 3: is sorely lacking in college sports.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I got just one, but.

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Speaker 3: I but I don't think, but I don't think that

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Speaker 3: has anything to do with UC's problems. I mean, at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, maybe not everybody's playing with

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Speaker 3: the same A ward chests, but everybody's playing under the

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Speaker 3: same rules. And by the way, for what it's worth,

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Speaker 3: when it comes to UC basketball, in neither of the

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Speaker 3: last five seasons has anybody said, you know what, they

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Speaker 3: better make the sweet sixteen. In neither of the last

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Speaker 3: five seasons has anybody said, you know what, it's a

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Speaker 3: Final four or bust. In neither of the last five

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Speaker 3: seasons has anybody said they must win a conference championship.

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Speaker 3: I think there's two things most fans have asked for

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Speaker 3: one eventually over the course of these years, get to

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Speaker 3: the tournament hasn't happened right now, doesn't look like it will,

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Speaker 3: and also perform better against her arch rival, and they're

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Speaker 3: one and four. I don't think, you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: think number one. I don't use the portal and nil

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Speaker 3: as an excuse for any program when the coach has

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Speaker 3: been in place for a number of years. And number two,

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Speaker 3: you know, Mick Cronin at the end was dealt with

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Speaker 3: a fan base that, understandably so was tired of not

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Speaker 3: making the sweet sixteen. I don't think people fully appreciate

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Speaker 3: how hard it is to get to the sweet sixteen,

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Speaker 3: but was tired of not getting to the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 3: He was winning conference championships, he was making the tournament

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Speaker 3: every year, but he wasn't getting to the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 3: I've heard no one over the last five years say

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Speaker 3: Wes Mus get to the sweet sixteen. All I've heard

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Speaker 3: is just have your name called on selection Sunday. That's

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Speaker 3: not a very high standard to clear when you're talking

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Speaker 3: about somebody who's been in their job for four or

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Speaker 3: five years, and you know, maybe there's some sort of

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Speaker 3: miraculous turnaround of the season. But that kind of gets

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Speaker 3: to my point that I feel like Wes is coming

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Speaker 3: at fans and media or one or the other, whoever

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Speaker 3: it is that I believe, for the most part, has

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Speaker 3: treated him very very fairly. And that's what makes a

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Speaker 3: postgame show like last night so disconcerting to me. I

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Speaker 3: think there are coaches that I think at times haven't

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Speaker 3: been given a fair shake. I think there are players

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Speaker 3: who at times haven't been given a fair shake.

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Speaker 2: I think West has. And so when you come.

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Speaker 3: At people that I think have given you a fair shake,

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Speaker 3: you're not gonna win. And right now, in the court

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Speaker 3: of public opinion as well as the you know, the

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Speaker 3: court that's ninety four feet long, he's just not gonna win.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta run, man, Thanks so much. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's operating in this very weird it's weird, man.

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Speaker 3: There are some very significant discussions that should be have

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Speaker 3: and are being had quite frankly about you know that

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Speaker 3: the lack of structure in college sports ends as as

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Speaker 3: somebody who has wanted to see the pendulum swing towards

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Speaker 3: the players for his entire life, like I do not

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Speaker 3: want to go back to anything resembling the old way

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Speaker 3: of doing things. But this current model is just it's

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Speaker 3: not as enjoyable. Like the games are still awesome, but

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Speaker 3: following college sports is not as enjoyable, at least for me.

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Speaker 3: But that has nothing to do with you see basketball,

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Speaker 3: and I think why fans are upset, And again, like

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Speaker 3: last night, there's the game itself. But you know, it

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Speaker 3: didn't seem like Wes wanted to talk about the game

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Speaker 3: itself last night, and so he made the conversation about

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Speaker 3: a lot of outside noise. And I don't know, man,

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Speaker 3: it just from where I sit and I don't consume everything.

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Speaker 3: I feel like folks have treated him fairly. Uh, switched gears.

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Speaker 3: More of your phone calls coming up, but it's Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: That means Rick boring on the Muskies and the Norse.

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Speaker 3: College Basketball World is going to be the state of

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Speaker 3: Wisconsin tonight. Xavier's taking on Marquette in Milwaukee. On Friday,

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Speaker 3: NKU plays Milwaukee. That is an eight o'clock tip off,

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Speaker 3: battle Green Bay coach by Doug Gottlieb, who's not a

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Speaker 3: radio show host anymore. That's going to be a Sunday

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Speaker 3: afternoon game. Rick Boring will be in Wisconsin for two

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Speaker 3: Report dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Rick Hemo, how's it going.

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Speaker 7: Going?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 14: How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. I'm wonderful. Can Xavier beat Marquette?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I definitely can. I mean, you're talking about two

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Speaker 15: of the worst teams in the Big East. So it

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Speaker 15: looks to be another competitive game, just like the DePaul

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Speaker 15: matchup was. The thing for Xavier is just like we

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Speaker 15: saw it to Paul. If it comes down to a

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Speaker 15: close game in the final minutes. They're going to have

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Speaker 15: to clean up their late game execution from what we

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Speaker 15: saw at Win Truster Ina in Chicago, because they missed

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Speaker 15: seven straight three pointers down the stretch of that game.

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Speaker 15: I think DePaul made six of seven shots down the

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Speaker 15: stretch and they end up losing by what they what

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Speaker 15: they lost by I think nine points. So it was

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Speaker 15: a game that could have gone either way with about

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Speaker 15: to Paul victory by the time the final buzzer sounded.

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Speaker 15: I expect the Marquette game to be very similar today

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Speaker 15: in terms of coming down the final minutes. I think

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Speaker 15: it'll be close. The question is does which team is

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Speaker 15: going to make the plays on the offensive end because

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Speaker 15: both of them have been struggling to execute here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, defense has been an issue Ken at this stage

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Speaker 3: in the season. Can Richard Patino fig Xavier's defense?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean the.

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Speaker 15: Issue they have on the defensive end from what I've seen,

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Speaker 15: is that they're playing a style that doesn't really suit

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Speaker 11: You know the.

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Speaker 15: Style that they play, which is to get overextended on

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Speaker 15: rim protecting it and not giving up easy layups and

655
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Speaker 15: dunk at the back end, and they don't have that.

656
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Speaker 15: It just hasn't worked out with their big men. They've

657
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Speaker 15: been playing a smaller lineup that lacks that defensive presence,

658
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 15: and in fact, they don't really have much of a

659
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Speaker 15: post defender at all right now, at least at the

660
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Speaker 15: center spot. So I think it's going to be difficult

661
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Speaker 15: for them to be a really consistent defense when they

662
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Speaker 15: don't do a really good job of protecting the paint

663
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Speaker 15: and limiting opponents two point field goal percentage. But I

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Speaker 15: definitely think that's something that they're focused on and they're going.

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Speaker 11: To try to keep getting better at.

666
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Speaker 15: And there are there are mental things that you can

667
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 15: improve in terms of you're you're getting the better ball pressure,

668
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Speaker 15: doing a better job of making passes difficult, and taking

669
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Speaker 15: away so those easy passing lanes that the teams have

670
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 15: been able to find on the cuts to the basket.

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Speaker 15: Because when you look at their analytic numbers, it really

672
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Speaker 15: it really stands out that they're giving up such a

673
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Speaker 15: high percentage and such an efficient percentage to opposing teams

674
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Speaker 15: on cuts to the rim and those plays at the basket.

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Speaker 15: So I think that's what it comes down to more

676
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Speaker 15: than anything on the defensive end.

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Speaker 3: Rick Boring muskets Herereport dot Com, NKU Radio. What is

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Speaker 3: more likely to happen to Wisconsin Xavier wins one or

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Speaker 3: NKU wins two.

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Speaker 11: I'll go with the ladder.

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Speaker 15: I think NK used playing well right now. I think

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Speaker 15: you look at the Green Bay game as though they're

683
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Speaker 15: playing well right now too, and it's a tough game.

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Speaker 15: It's a game that you feel like, if you're one

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Speaker 15: of the best teams in the conference, which I think

686
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Speaker 15: NKU does, that you should win. And then the Milwaukee

687
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 15: game is going to be a real test. I mean,

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Speaker 15: Milwaukee is the one type of team that I don't

689
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 15: think NKU has really seen yet in league play, and

690
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 15: that is a team that's physically able to match up.

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Speaker 11: With their athleticism.

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Speaker 15: I think they've really punished some teams offense and their

693
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 15: ability to just be better athletes than the other teams

694
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Speaker 15: in the Horizon League to this point in a lot.

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Speaker 11: Of these games.

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Speaker 15: But Milwaukee, you're not going to be able to do

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Speaker 15: that against them because they're equally athletic or at least

698
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 15: very close. So I'm very interested to see how that

699
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Speaker 15: game plays out. That should be a really good matchup.

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Speaker 15: And you know, I mean, ZIGG certainly has a chance

701
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 15: to win at Marquette. Marquetz lost six in a row,

702
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 15: Dagers lost a couple in a row, so they're both

703
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Speaker 15: trying to get off a losing s kid here. But

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Speaker 15: if you're asking me to put my faith in one

705
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 15: of the two, I think I'll roll with the team

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Speaker 15: that's playing good basketball right now, and that's NKO.

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Speaker 3: How many teams in the Horizon League have a guy

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Speaker 3: coming off the bench as averaging sixteen per.

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Speaker 11: That's a good question.

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Speaker 15: None of the other teams do. Donovan O'Day is the

711
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Speaker 15: guy you referred to for NKU, who who's tied for

712
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Speaker 15: as like the team's leading scorer right now at sixteen

713
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Speaker 15: points per game?

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Speaker 11: I think they have three different.

715
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Speaker 15: Players averaging sixteen points, with LJ. Wells and Dan Grezker

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Speaker 15: being the other two, and Cal Robinson is is right

717
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Speaker 15: there in the mix somewhere in there too, like fifteen

718
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 15: or fourteen, I believe. So all of those guys have

719
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Speaker 15: really been scoring well. But to have a guy like

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Speaker 15: Donovan O'Day, and don't get me wrong, he could easily

721
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Speaker 15: be a starter for this team, but the lineup they

722
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Speaker 15: have has been working for them and getting that spark

723
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Speaker 15: coming off the bench, especially with his athleticism and his

724
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Speaker 15: entertaining style of play. I mean, he's already had two

725
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Speaker 15: plays that were one actually did make Sports Sports Center's

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Speaker 15: Top ten and the other one easily could have the

727
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Speaker 15: other night against Youngstown State. So he's been fun to watch.

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Speaker 15: This team has been really entertaining and fun to watch

729
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 15: with some of the highlight reel plays, and it's been.

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Speaker 11: A good little run that they've been on.

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Speaker 3: Can I ask you about a program that is neither

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Speaker 3: Xavier or NKU.

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Speaker 7: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 15: Did any one request that you asked me about that program?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: I just wanted your thoughts on whether you find it

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Speaker 3: surprising that Travis Steele is coaching arguably the best team

738
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Speaker 3: in the country in Oxford.

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Speaker 11: Did Jed de Musey put you up to this?

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Speaker 2: No? No, not at all.

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Speaker 3: Another an awesome story. I'm Travis is very very nice

742
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Speaker 3: to me. It has been over the years, and I'm

743
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Speaker 3: thrilled for his success. You covered him for years, you know,

744
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: college basketball better than anybody, you know, the local landscape.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm asking about the RedHawks.

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Speaker 11: I got you well.

747
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Speaker 15: Jed de Mussey has been giving me content grief because

748
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 15: we're talking about Miami enough on my podcast.

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Speaker 11: You notice I am.

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Speaker 15: I am really impressed, but I'm not surprised with what

751
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Speaker 15: Travis has done at Miami. I think the one thing

752
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Speaker 15: that you know, Xavier fans have been spoiled over the

753
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Speaker 15: last thirty years with the success that they've had in

754
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Speaker 15: the postseason, success that they've had, that they felt like

755
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Speaker 15: being a middle of a pack team in the Big

756
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Speaker 15: East was rock bottom.

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Speaker 11: They thought that was like as bad as it could

758
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Speaker 11: possibly get.

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Speaker 15: I don't think, you know, Travis gets credit for going

760
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Speaker 15: through the early years of the NIL, where teams were

761
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Speaker 15: already starting to pay players hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 15: They hadn't gotten to the point where it is now

763
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Speaker 15: where guys are getting millions. But you know, most rosters

764
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Speaker 15: had a guy that made two hundred three hundred, maybe

765
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Speaker 15: even up to half a million on their team during

766
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Speaker 15: those first few years of NIL, and Xavier was just

767
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Speaker 15: basically acting like it didn't exist. So Travis was going

768
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Speaker 15: out there on his own kind of figuring it out

769
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Speaker 15: how to put together a roster and fund the early

770
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Speaker 15: years of the NIL at Xavier. And I don't think

771
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Speaker 15: he gets enough credit for how competitive he was during

772
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Speaker 15: those early years of NIL in the Big East at Xavier.

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Speaker 11: And to find out, you know, that he goes to

774
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Speaker 11: Miami and.

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Speaker 15: Has revived that program and been able to consistently put

776
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Speaker 15: together really good rosters in the MAC does not surprise me, really,

777
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Speaker 15: because he's always.

778
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Speaker 11: Been a great recruiter and I.

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Speaker 15: Think he had a couple of difficult years where he

780
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Speaker 15: was learning how to be a head coach while also

781
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Speaker 15: trying to deal with a completely changing landscape that the

782
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Speaker 15: university hadn't fully acknowledged at that point, and it was

783
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Speaker 15: a tough deal for him, no doubt.

784
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Speaker 11: But he landed on his feet and he's doing really well.

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Speaker 15: And I don't think it surprises the people that were

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Speaker 15: closest to the program and saw him work.

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Speaker 2: Which which program? Did you think? I was going to

788
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Speaker 2: ask you about Miami?

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Speaker 11: But I thought Jed de Musi had put you up

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Speaker 11: to No.

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Speaker 3: I like Jed, and maybe Jed's listening and he'll be excited.

792
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Speaker 3: And I just said to Taran like we're overdue to

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Speaker 3: have Travis on. Maybe Jed will enjoy that, but I

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Speaker 3: just you have an interesting perspective about Travis, and so I.

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Speaker 2: Nobody put that putting me up to that.

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Speaker 3: As I was sitting down this morning preparing to talk

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Speaker 3: to you, that's something I wanted you to address and

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Speaker 3: you did, so thank you.

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Speaker 11: Yeah. No, I mean it is a good story, and

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Speaker 11: I mean.

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Speaker 15: Let's face I think, like everyone is wondering, the record

802
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Speaker 15: is really impressive, but it wasn't a tough non conference schedule,

803
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Speaker 15: so it's like, what will they be able to sustain

804
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Speaker 15: this the entire length of the season and win their

805
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Speaker 15: biggest games? And so far the answer that question has

806
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Speaker 15: been yes, they pulled out some big wins when they've

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Speaker 15: had to.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess my question, and I know, I know

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Speaker 3: you're not a bracketologist, but did well there. I don't

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Speaker 3: know when the last time the MAC had an at

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Speaker 3: large team at the ACAA Tournament. Yeah, sorry, I don't

812
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Speaker 3: know when the last time the MAC had an at

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Speaker 3: large team. That's obviously very easy to look up, but

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Speaker 3: I wonder what it would take for Miami to do

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Speaker 3: that and how much the battle is even more uphill

816
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Speaker 3: than usual because from a metrics perspective, their non conference

817
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Speaker 3: schedule did leave a lot to be desired.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's going to make it tough, you know.

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Speaker 15: I mean, they just don't have the resume wins that

820
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Speaker 15: you typically need coming from a conference like that. But hey,

821
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 15: you go undefeated, you don't have to worry about it.

822
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Speaker 15: So they just keep doing what they've been doing. They'll

823
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Speaker 15: be just fine.

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Speaker 3: Check out Rick's website muhalk talk dot com also a

825
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Speaker 3: Musketeer Report dot com and hear them on Friday when

826
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Speaker 3: NKU battles Milwaukee.

827
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Speaker 2: Thank you as.

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Speaker 11: Always, Thanks Bo, appreciate it all.

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Speaker 3: Right, there you go, Rick Browing Musketeer Report dot com.

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Speaker 3: about a few more things. Let's see here. Who's been

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Speaker 3: waiting the longest? Brian, You're I think waiting the longest.

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Speaker 2: Hell, who knows? Brian?

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Speaker 3: You're on ESPN fifteenth three. I can't even see the screen.

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Speaker 3: My eyesight sucks so bad. Hi, Brian, you're on ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: What up, Maurice? How's a Cohen?

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Speaker 8: I think you got a guy in Wes Miller who's

852
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Speaker 8: free falling and finally broke from the last press conference.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 8: Before I get to my question, want to congratulate you

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Speaker 8: on the stay hot streak with the struggle for the steak.

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Speaker 3: That's where nine and a half points. I think I've

857
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Speaker 3: extended my lead to five.

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Speaker 8: So part of the main reason I would listen to

859
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Speaker 8: the postgame show was for the struggle for the strict steak.

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Speaker 8: And now it's now get a. I feel bad for

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Speaker 8: west Man. It's it's sad as a as a person.

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Speaker 2: I feel bad.

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Speaker 8: I try and it's it's just sad. I just think

864
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Speaker 8: he's finally broke and he realizes it. But what are

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Speaker 8: the rest of these games going to look like? After

866
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Speaker 8: we're coming? We're coming, and now all of a sudden

867
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Speaker 8: you blow up after after a game?

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Speaker 2: Where do you go from here? I don't know?

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Speaker 8: And hopefully it gets better. But here's my question. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: you got these three coaches. You keep Westviller, or you

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Speaker 8: have Travis, or you high Travis Steele, which personally I

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Speaker 8: don't think is a good fit, or is it grossy

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Speaker 8: from accurate?

874
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Speaker 2: I think frankly, it would be neither. Yeah, I mean

875
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: that's my guess that would be out there.

876
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 8: But where do you go.

877
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: That would be? My guess is it would be it

878
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: would be neither.

879
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: You know, I think Travis Steele has coached himself into

880
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: a situation and if you're a Miami grad, please don't

881
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 3: take this the wrong way where he's going to attract

882
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: interest and I certainly could understand why. I think with

883
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 3: John gross there's a little bit of a retread field

884
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 3: to it, you know, sort of his hat is shot

885
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: in a Power five. I'm going to guess that if

886
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 3: they move on from Wes Miller, that they and I'm

887
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: just guessing. I haven't even started to think about what

888
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: this could look like. My guess is the net would

889
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 3: be cast wider than that.

890
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 8: Could you I don't think Travis would be a good fit,

891
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 8: but could you imagine?

892
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: Well, it would be interesting. You know, nobody has ever

893
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: coached UC Xavier and Miami, you know, I am, but

894
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: it would, it would it would add an element of

895
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: interest to it. Look, if it got to that point,

896
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: you know, folks are going to bring up coaches with

897
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: all sorts of local ties and and not that any

898
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: of them wouldn't be good fits, but I'm going to

899
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: guess that they would cast a pretty wide net.

900
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 8: So the other thing is is does the current ad

901
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 8: castle wide net?

902
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: Or do you bring in a new ad.

903
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 8: To go after his folk on who he wants in?

904
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 8: What comes first?

905
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go or I don't know.

906
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: I understand that question because you know, John Cunningham hired

907
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: Wes and he's hired Scott Saderfield, who's not exactly working

908
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: with a very high approval rating. Right now, I don't

909
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: gather and I can be dead wrong about this. I

910
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: don't gather that they have any interest in replacing the

911
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: athletics director. I guess the dynamic that I'm kind of

912
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: curious about is if they did move on from the

913
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: basketball coach, would the general manager stay and what role

914
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: would he have Corey Evans in hiring a new coach?

915
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 8: Mm hm, you know, yeah, I think you've got last

916
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 8: wu after these games, you know, kind of trying to

917
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 8: grab every tree branch on the way down though, who's

918
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 8: had more injuries this, that and the other. And now

919
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 8: it's finally like, I just think you've seen a complete

920
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 8: breaking point last night. And I'm sitting there in the

921
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 8: require by myself and I'm just like, oh man, this

922
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 8: is awkward.

923
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is bad, And like, you know, you said

924
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 3: something that I think is interesting. It's January seventh. There

925
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: are sixteen games to go. Like, if I'm sure they're

926
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: going to win some games, but if this continues, is

927
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: that what it's going to sound like every time? Is

928
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: that what it's going to sound like if they lose

929
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: a game by a lopsided final score. Is that what

930
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: it's going to sound like if they lose another game

931
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: like they wont the one they lost to Houston where

932
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: there's you know, loud booze as the team comes off

933
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: the floor like that. That sounded like the sort of

934
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 3: thing that you hear at the end of a season

935
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: that's gone awry. There are, if you count the Big

936
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: Ball Tournament, seventeen games to go. And so if that's

937
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: going to be the tone after more losses, this season

938
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: is gonna go. It's going to turn uglier than it,

939
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: frankly is already.

940
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 8: There's two and a half three months left, and you

941
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 8: can't just keep saying like, I believe in these guys.

942
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 8: I believe that these guys were coming like okay, now

943
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 8: what yeah, oh we played hard, everybody had fun and

944
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 8: we're gonna well when do they when do they go

945
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 8: back to a dodgeball tournament?

946
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: They did the dodgeball thing last year, they did it

947
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: before they beat UCF. There maybe you know what they

948
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: could do is and invite some of the people that

949
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: maybe Wes hass issues with, and we could do like

950
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: a dodgeball tournament with Wes and the players versus the

951
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: people that he's mad mad at.

952
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 8: We could do a struggle for the sake on that.

953
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: Wait good, yeah, wait could and if we did and

954
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: if we did I'd win that one too, Brian, thanks

955
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 3: for the phone calling.

956
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I said this at the top of

957
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: the show. I feel bad for.

958
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 3: Him because, number one, I think I think he's put

959
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: as much into this job as you could ask. There

960
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: have been coaches who have fallen out of disfavor, you know.

961
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: I hated how things went down Tommy Tubberville's last year.

962
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: But what I didn't really love about that whole regime

963
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: was it just it felt like he wasn't fully invested

964
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: in the job. That might be an inaccurate portrayal, but

965
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: it felt like he wasn't always completely invested in the job.

966
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: And I well, he had two good teams out of

967
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: the three that he had. I kind of felt the

968
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: same about Butch Jones. I don't know anybody who has

969
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 3: ever questioned Wes's commitment to this job.

970
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: I think he is bored his heart into it.

971
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 3: I also think like he's in a pretty lonely spot

972
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: right now, Like who's going to be the person to

973
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: raise their hand and stick up for Wes?

974
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 7: Right?

975
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: You know?

976
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: Even and if you recall, things kind of got weird

977
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 3: years four and five with Mick cronin Patients was running

978
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: Finn the Lance Stevenson year kind of devolved late even

979
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: the year they finally made the tournament and beat Missouri

980
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 3: in the first round. You know it, it got kind

981
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: of dicey there in February. But perhaps owning to the

982
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: fact that Mick is from here, owning to the fact

983
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: that he had a lot of former players on his side,

984
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: it sort of felt like publicly he always had allies.

985
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: It feels like publicly, at least, you know, he's had

986
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 3: a lot of former players. I don't know that there's

987
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 3: a former player with enough you know, sort of gravitas

988
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 3: or cachet with the fans to raise his hand and go, hey,

989
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: Wes is the guy. And maybe that's a part of

990
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: the you know, cyclical nature of this sport where there's

991
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, players, just a NonStop turn of players coming

992
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: in for one year or two and then leaving. But

993
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure where he is feels very lonely, and that's

994
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 3: kind of why you do the US against the World thing.

995
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm sure to a degree like it's a

996
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: very lonely place that he's coming from. You're you're taking

997
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: you know, what you perceive as a lot of shots

998
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: from outsiders and you know there it might feel like

999
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: nobody has his back and so like, I think he's

1000
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 3: in a really tough spot.

1001
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like you gonna

1002
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: win games.

1003
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: So you know where he is as a coach in

1004
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 3: his fifth season who hasn't won big yet here, I

1005
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 3: think the criticism that he is getting is fair, and

1006
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 3: I think it's it's it's come from a very fair

1007
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 3: place when it comes to fans, Like I'm not talking

1008
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: about you know, Rando's on Twitter, who with no consequences

1009
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: tweet things that are unfair or tweet things that are profane.

1010
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 3: I think, by and large, like they they've played very

1011
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: poorly this season, right in a lot of big games.

1012
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: They had nearly twelve thousand people in the gym on Saturday.

1013
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 3: Now Houston being the opponent might have had something to

1014
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: do with it, But they've played in front of really

1015
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: good crowds and enthusiastic crowds. Like fan support is. I

1016
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: talk about fan support, I remember mixed for a few

1017
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: years or three thousand people in the gym, Like there

1018
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: were times I could like look at the lower bowl

1019
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: and like count people. That has not been the case.

1020
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: Fan support has been good. I think people's commentary when

1021
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: it comes to public forums has been fair, and so

1022
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: you know, I'll keep saying this. I think last night

1023
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: what just was so striking to me is I understand

1024
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: the bunker mentality. I can appreciate us against the world.

1025
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: I can certainly appreciate using outside criticism to fuel your team.

1026
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: I have a ton of empathy for Wes and I

1027
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: feel for him because I think he's probably in a

1028
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: very lonely place while you're feeling the walls closed in

1029
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 3: like that, that's that's a hard spot to be in, man.

1030
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: But what was so striking about just what he said

1031
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: about outside noise? There are two things about it. One

1032
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: is he's made a point of kind of stating publicly

1033
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 3: that he doesn't pay attention to the outside noise. He's

1034
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 3: gotten rid of social media on his phone. Okay, well,

1035
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 3: if you don't care about the outside noise, then it's

1036
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: it's it's not something you bring up twice after really

1037
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: hard losses. And then number two, I just I feel

1038
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: like his ire is being aimed collectively at a large

1039
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 3: group of people, and I'll lump fans and media into

1040
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: the same group that I think have been fair to him. Again,

1041
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 3: I'm all here for examples where you know, somebody went

1042
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: off and said a bunch of unfair things about Wes's players,

1043
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 3: about Wes himself, made it personal.

1044
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: I simply do not think that's happened.

1045
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 8: You know.

1046
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 3: I remember when our show is starting off, you had

1047
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 3: fans who were accusing Dusty Baker of batting Corey Patterson

1048
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: lead off because he was dating Dusty's daughter. And I

1049
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: remember going like, We're not even gonna talk about that.

1050
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 3: That is so stupid, it's so off base, it's so unfair,

1051
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: We're not gonna do it.

1052
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: There hasn't been nothing. There's been nothing like that.

1053
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: I used to take phone calls from fans who were

1054
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: mad because Mick, you know, he was too short to coach.

1055
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 2: I took those.

1056
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 3: Phone calls and I remember going like, not even gonna

1057
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 3: engage it, not even gonna talk about it. Like there's

1058
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 3: been none of that. It's been about the performance. It's

1059
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: been about strategies, it's been about outcome. It's been about personnel,

1060
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 3: it's been about usage. It's been about you know, the

1061
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 3: performance of the team and the results achieved by it.

1062
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 3: And I think that's where MOS criticism commentary has been

1063
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: pointed at, and as long as that has been the case,

1064
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 3: then the as far as I'm as far as I'm

1065
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 3: concerned him from where I said, then he's been treated fairly.

1066
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 3: Sixteen minutes after four o'clock, more of your phone calls,

1067
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 3: plus my very very very very important commentary about Baltimore

1068
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 3: ravens uh and firing their head coach John Harball coming

1069
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: up on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

1070
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,680
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Speaker 3: Five three nine fifteen thirty is our phone number. Yesterday

1082
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: during the show, we saw that John Harball has been

1083
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: let go by the Baltimore Ravens, and like the obvious

1084
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: contrast is the Bengals with a head coach who is

1085
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: not as acclaimed and hasn't accomplished as much as John

1086
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Speaker 3: Harball maintained the status quo with an MVP caliber quarterback

1087
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Speaker 3: there eighteen years, who has a Super Bowl win on

1089
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: his resume, with an MVP winning quarterback decided to move on,

1090
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 3: and that dichotomy is striking. I will just say this,

1091
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: and this is not meant as a defense of Zach Taylor.

1092
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 3: Oh No, we talked about like the lone loneliest gig

1093
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati is is is maybe more lonely than West

1094
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: right now is being the guy's going to defend Zach Taylor.

1095
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 3: But I haven't watched every snap of every Baltimore Ravens game,

1096
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 3: but I've seen enough, and I've watched them in enough

1097
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: close games.

1098
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: That, in my admittedly.

1099
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: Elementary opinion, I've often thought, you know, the Ravens don't

1100
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: look particularly well coached, especially on offense, especially in close games.

1101
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that John Harball hasn't been a terrific coach.

1102
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean he shouldn't be at the top of

1103
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: the list for teams looking for a head coach right now.

1104
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: But just watching them in recent years, and they've had

1105
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: some awesome teams. I mean, they hosted the AFC title

1106
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: Game a couple of years ago. They lost two games

1107
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, they were a botch two point conversion

1108
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: play away from going back to the AFC Title Game.

1109
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: Won a lot of regular season games.

1110
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: I've watched the Ravens and you know, even this year

1111
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving that against the Bengals, why aren't you giving it

1112
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: to Derek Henry had times this year watching them going

1113
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: why aren't you giving it to your Hall of Fame

1114
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: running back. It just it has felt to me they've

1115
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 3: had a lot of games that they lost in the

1116
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 3: fourth quarter, blowing big leads, and just watching them through

1117
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: no other lens than football fan, it's like, man, it

1118
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: just doesn't feel like that team is all that well coached.

1119
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 3: So that combined with just I don't know, I listened

1120
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: to a lot of sports talk radio and other markets,

1121
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: the disaffection that John Harball seemed to be involved in.

1122
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: When it comes to Ravens fans, it wasn't as stunned

1123
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 3: yesterday as I think a lot of other folks were. Obviously,

1124
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 3: when an NFL head coach is blowing out after eighteen years,

1125
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 3: it's jarring.

1126
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 2: And he had been there that long.

1127
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: And again, John Harball's probably gonna be in Canton, and

1128
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: if I had a vacancy, hell, yes, I'd want to

1129
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 3: talk to him.

1130
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: And clearly a positive there, like.

1131
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 3: John Harbaugh has had an awesome career, but in recent

1132
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: years watching them with that ross drive, often thought they

1133
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 3: just don't see all that well coached. Uh, And apparently

1134
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: the owner agreed seven nine, fifteen thirty. Let's see here, Dustin.

1135
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 3: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Dustin, thanks for hanging on.

1136
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: How are you?

1137
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 11: I'm good, mo?

1138
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: How are you wonderful? What's up?

1139
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 16: Hey? I just uh, I wanted to be the first

1140
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 16: one really to congratulate you, okay, because I have a

1141
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 16: feeling I have a feeling there's a big announcement coming

1142
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 16: tomorrow in Duke's conference. Yeah, he's gonna finally hire you

1143
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 16: as the director of common sense. I feel like, you know,

1144
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 16: they say there's gonna be a big announcement.

1145
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: Mo Oh.

1146
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 16: We've been asking for it, the fans have been clamoring

1147
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 16: for it. We know it's needed. Mindly, we're gonna have change.

1148
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: Dream come true of being the Bengals director of common sense.

1149
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: Nobody has reached out to me. This is awesome.

1150
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: Oh so hey, I spoiled it. Wow.

1151
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 3: You know you would think we would negotiate, But that's okay.

1152
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: I'll gladly accept. You know, my my asking price has

1153
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: always been that I want my own hotel room. I

1154
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 3: don't want to have to go to work there on

1155
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: non game days. I want to be able to fly

1156
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 3: on my own, and I want as much sideline gear

1157
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: as I can get my hands on.

1158
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: Other than that, I'm happy to do it.

1159
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 16: The bottom line is is you're cheap. I think that

1160
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 16: that's right. They're going to push it over the line.

1161
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 3: The reason I've worked here for as long as I

1162
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 3: have worked here is because I'm cheap.

1163
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 16: Well, I think that we can all agree that, you know,

1164
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 16: it is kind of something that work. I would say

1165
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 16: I'm looking forward to it, which is a weird thing

1166
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 16: to be looking forward to your defacto GM press conference.

1167
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 16: But you know, there's been questions asked, well, what would

1168
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 16: you ask you know, what would be your topics? And

1169
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 16: of course, you know, you come up with all of

1170
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 16: these things like well what about this and what about that?

1171
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 16: In the years of losing and then the up and

1172
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 16: the down, and you you know, when you pay a quarterback,

1173
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 16: you don't seem to be able to sustain success. Yeah,

1174
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 16: And I think for me, it comes back to a

1175
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 16: couple of things of I would want to know, do

1176
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 16: you feel like you have ultimate job security?

1177
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1178
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 7: You know, do you feel like that.

1179
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 16: If you don't perform in this coming year you will

1180
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 16: have a job with the Cincinnati Bengals next year? I

1181
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 16: would be because I think that kind of ties it all.

1182
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 3: In, right, Yeah, I would be willing to bet that

1183
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 3: that question is asked.

1184
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 8: Right.

1185
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 3: I've seen folks on social media say, well, nobody's going

1186
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: to ask any tough questions. I think good questions are

1187
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: going to be asked. Now, you might view good questions

1188
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 3: as not tough questions. A lot of folks when they

1189
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 3: hear tough questions, they think confrontational. I don't think anybody

1190
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 3: is going to be confrontational. But like, there's two things

1191
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: I'm interested in and I believe both of these will

1192
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 3: be asked. One is just because I think it's interesting

1193
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 3: Duke's perspective on why they went wrong. Hey, look, prior

1194
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: to the season, you seem to insist that your plan

1195
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: for the defense was gonna work, and it didn't. Why

1196
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: do you think this went wrong? If you could go back,

1197
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 3: are there some things you would have done differently? And

1198
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: I would imagine the answer to that is going to

1199
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 3: be yes. But just his perspective on why this season

1200
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 3: went sideways. The other one that I'm interested in is,

1201
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 3: all right, Duke, this is a different step for you

1202
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: and for this organization. Is this going to be the

1203
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 3: norm instead of having Zach Taylor stand up there say

1204
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: which one about Zach? But instead of having Zach Taylor

1205
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow have to take questions, you know, every week,

1206
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 3: often about things that they're not responsible for. Is this

1207
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 3: going to usher in a new era of a little

1208
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 3: bit more transparency where instead of me being made available

1209
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 3: once or twice a year, you know, you come out

1210
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 3: and you talk to the media at the buy and

1211
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 3: you do something on your own during training camp, and

1212
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 3: you do something like this when the season comes to

1213
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 3: an end. I would be interested in hearing him talk

1214
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 3: about why he is so infrequently available and whether or

1215
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: not that's going to change.

1216
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 16: Well, absolutely, And I think that you know, I know that,

1217
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 16: you know when you heard hurt him any mee before.

1218
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 16: He knows how to do a press conference. He knows

1219
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 16: how to control the narrative. Sure, he knows, you know,

1220
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 16: when a question is asked, he knows which direction to

1221
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 16: spend him in and to be honest with you, when

1222
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 16: you've been with an organization for what is nineteen ninety nine,

1223
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 16: and I believe so what we're going in your twenty

1224
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 16: you know, twenty six years, you you are, you are

1225
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 16: through and through Bengal. And so I think that knowing

1226
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 16: what to do and doing what to say, he's going

1227
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 16: to know will we get many answers? I think people

1228
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 16: are maybe hoping for that. You know, you want to

1229
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 16: temper some expectations, but hey, at least you know, at

1230
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 16: least this is something here, Maybe something will come out.

1231
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 16: Maybe there will be some you know, I'm sure you

1232
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 16: watched Jim Mersey's daughter and what she you know, what

1233
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 16: she did and came out and said that press conference,

1234
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 16: she said, listen up, this is it. You you all

1235
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 16: have one more year and then this isn't But these

1236
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 16: are the expectations and after that, you know, you better

1237
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 16: better fill out the LinkedIn. You know, you better get

1238
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 16: the resumes ready because you know you can tell they

1239
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 16: I mean, they traded two first round picks during the year.

1240
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 16: They they know that it wasn't good enough. And I

1241
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 16: think that's some of the things is you want to

1242
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 16: see that tone. You want to see Duke and the

1243
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 16: organization seem to care as much as the fans and

1244
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 16: all you folks that cover the team.

1245
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, the difference is Duke isn't an owner,

1246
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, I what what the message that has been

1247
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: sent this week, intentionally or.

1248
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: Not, is that not winning is good enough.

1249
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: I want to walk away and I think a lot

1250
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 3: of fans would be happy to walk away from Friday

1251
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 3: thinking that the message the message is instead, uh, not

1252
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: winning is not good enough. And if things don't change

1253
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: in terms of our job performance, then different people are

1254
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 3: going to be doing our jobs.

1255
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 16: Absolutely, And you know I've said this. The best and

1256
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 16: worst thing that happened to the Cincinnati Bengals is they

1257
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 16: went to the super Bowl and then they went to

1258
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 16: ANFC championship. Because that just told them that, you know, look,

1259
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 16: we can do it. We can do it the way

1260
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 16: we do it. We can catch lightning in a bottle.

1261
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 16: We can get this quarterback. But now here we are,

1262
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 16: you haven't been able to sustain that. And so I

1263
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 16: think this is you know, people, I mean every season,

1264
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 16: it's the biggest offseason, you know, just like you said,

1265
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 16: I'm getting tired of hearing about average defense. You know,

1266
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 16: like I just fixed the dame thing, you know, just

1267
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 16: just fix the thing and we can you know, like

1268
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 16: the old line right, right, Mo, how long did we

1269
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 16: ask him to sign Dalton Eisner?

1270
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 15: Right?

1271
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 16: We've been asking for this Mike my case stater Man,

1272
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 16: my wildcat.

1273
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 7: You know, we've been asking for this guy for how

1274
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 7: many years?

1275
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 16: And guess what, you finally sign him, and you got

1276
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 16: some stability now at that guard position that you haven't

1277
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 16: had since Frankly what Kevin Zeiler and Clint Bowling. So

1278
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 16: I think it's one of those things that I mean,

1279
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 16: my other thing to do is to say to just

1280
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 16: pass this along. We just want you to be normal.

1281
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 16: We just want you to be a normal franchise. We're

1282
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 16: not asking for the Philadelphia Eagles here. We just want

1283
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 16: you to operate in a normal fashion of how a

1284
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 16: normal franchise, and you know what, with the quarterback and

1285
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 16: the receiver at some of the talent you go on

1286
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 16: the roster, it just.

1287
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 8: Might just might be enough.

1288
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how about don't ignore the obvious? How about

1289
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: make like the Dalton Reisner thing for me is obvious.

1290
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 3: You've had a hard time filling this position. This guy

1291
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: filled this position, filled it well and has stated publicly

1292
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 3: he wants to play here and he's not going to

1293
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: cost a ton like that is painfully obvious. It's painfully

1294
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 3: all right, sign him, get that done. Last year's defense

1295
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 3: was atrocious. It cost Joe Burrow and that offense a

1296
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: chance to play in the postseason when they were otherworldly

1297
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 3: der in the regular season. But they ignored the obvious,

1298
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 3: and so the results this year to a large degree,

1299
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 3: mirrored last season. Uh is is there going to be

1300
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: a change just in terms of you know, you talk

1301
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 3: about like twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two, they

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Speaker 3: got to the Super Bowl a yesterday, drafted Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: B they built aggressively built the roster around him. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they blindly you could say, threw money in a bunch

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Speaker 3: of guys and happened to hit on them. But at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, they were aggressive in remaking

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Speaker 3: their team. Why can't they be more aggressive in remaking

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Speaker 3: half their team? And if they do and they're successful,

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Speaker 3: then this guy's the limit.

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Speaker 16: I'm completely on board with that.

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Speaker 3: That to me, being the common centence coach Dustin is

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Speaker 3: always good to hear from you, man, I think so much.

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Speaker 16: All right, take care.

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Speaker 3: By the way, you could hear Duke Tobin's press conference

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Speaker 2: College Troop Tonight Xaviers at Marquette.

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Speaker 3: The Musketeers coming off that loss on Saturday to DePaul Shaka.

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Speaker 3: Smart's team is five and ten. Tip off tonight at

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Speaker 3: seven pm on seven hundred WLW. Kentucky is battling Missouri tonight.

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Speaker 3: That game is going to tip off at seven pm.

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Speaker 3: Pregame coverage on ESPN fifteen thirty will start at five thirty.

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Speaker 3: The Wildcats taking on a Missouri team that is eleven

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Speaker 3: and three overall Kentucky had their four game winning streak

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Speaker 3: come to an end after losing to Alabama on Saturday

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Speaker 3: eighty nine to seventy four.

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Speaker 8: There you go.

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Speaker 3: That's something I was going to mention, and I forgot

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Speaker 3: what it was, So instead we'll talk to one of

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Speaker 3: the many folks we have waiting on hold. We go

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Speaker 3: in order, Mike, go ahead. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 13: Thank you, mom.

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Speaker 2: I'm well, man, what's up?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, all these guys who coaches, Wes Noah

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01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 7: and this woman, that one with horble and all of them,

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Speaker 7: I know they put their heart and soul into their job.

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Speaker 7: They should for the money they make, they should put

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Speaker 7: every bit of it into it. So when they have

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Speaker 7: a chance to be cut loose or something, you think

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Speaker 7: I feel sorry for any of these guys, Not even

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Speaker 7: a little bit. I feel sorry for a guy on

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Speaker 7: the street that drives a bus for the City of

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati that loses his job, that's losing, you know, living

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Speaker 7: paycheck to paycheck. But I think we get lost in

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Speaker 7: this sports world of all this big money and start

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Speaker 7: feeling really empathetic to these guys that are set for life.

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Speaker 3: Well, sure, I think we're sort of putting this in

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Speaker 3: not real world terms. If you ask me who do

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Speaker 3: I have more sympathy for somebody who is going through

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Speaker 3: legitimate financial hardship or someone who, if they lose their job,

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Speaker 3: is going to walk away with millions of dollars. I'll

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Speaker 3: take the former, But as a general rule, like my

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Speaker 3: point is this, Mike, when it comes to Wes, I

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Speaker 3: think on a human level, and at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, I don't think it's hard to relate to

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Speaker 3: even well healed people on a human level. I feel

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Speaker 3: bad for somebody who has poured their heart into something

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Speaker 3: and isn't achieving the desired results. I don't care if

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Speaker 3: that's a basketball coach. I don't care if it's somebody

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Speaker 3: working at a bakery. I think anybody who legitimately, like

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Speaker 3: you know, my overarching point with Wes has been that

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Speaker 3: I think the heat that he has gotten has been

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Speaker 3: based solely on performance and outcome. I don't think anybody

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Speaker 3: has criticized his effort. I don't think anybody has criticized

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Speaker 3: his dedication to the job. I don't think anybody has

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Speaker 3: criticized his anything about his personal life. I don't think,

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Speaker 3: and he's given us no reason to right. I think

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Speaker 3: he has held himself, for the most part up in

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Speaker 3: an honorable way. He has done the job and worked

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Speaker 3: at it as hard as he can. And so I

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Speaker 3: don't care what you're making. Anybody who pours themselves into

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Speaker 3: a job and doesn't get out of it what they

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Speaker 3: put into it, I feel for I feel that way

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Speaker 3: about people in our business. I feel that way about

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Speaker 3: people in the coaching business.

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Speaker 7: Of course, I agree, but there are various degrees. Anyway, Anyway,

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Speaker 7: you mentioned Tommy Tuverville, that Scarleton piece of dunga. I

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Speaker 7: have great distaste for that man, and he further emphasized

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Speaker 7: his moral inaptitude when he went into the Senate of

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Speaker 7: all places. Oh my god, that was dangerous. Anyway, Tampa

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Speaker 7: Bay is not cutting top Todd Bowles. He's not going anywhere,

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Speaker 7: he said, lois paid head coach in the NFL. He's

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Speaker 7: making eight and earlier year. He's got two more years

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Speaker 7: on his contracts. But the Glazier family is not firing

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Speaker 7: Todd Bowles because they're gonna have to pay way more

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Speaker 7: for another coach. So Bulls will be there. You see

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Speaker 7: down the stretch in that game last night. Mother, I

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Speaker 7: just took a lot of really bad shot.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how with the game on the line,

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Speaker 3: coming out of a timeout, you have Boba Miller take

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Speaker 3: a three point shot, a dude who's an eleven percent

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Speaker 3: three point shooter, you know, Celestine taking outside shots, no

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Speaker 3: major issue with you know, one of them was, you know,

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Speaker 3: sort of a step back twenty eight footer. But coming

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Speaker 3: out of a timeout, I don't know how Boba Miller,

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Speaker 3: you know, between that, between them committing a foul when

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Speaker 3: there was a seven second differential between game clock and

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Speaker 3: shot clock, when they had already led about fifteen seconds elapse,

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Speaker 3: that didn't make a lot of sense. You know, Gisel

1419
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 3: James makes a really nice play to at least give

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Speaker 3: them possession with one point nine seconds to go, but

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Speaker 3: then he rushes the shot like it was a series

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Speaker 3: of bad things. But the shot selection, the one that

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Speaker 3: kind of stuck in my crawl was the Bobba Miller three.

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Speaker 3: Because as good of a player as he is, and

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Speaker 3: he's been awesome on the glass and he does a

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Speaker 3: lot of really good things this season, He's made a

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Speaker 3: leve percent of his threes, that's not a guy in

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Speaker 3: that situation you want taking a three point shot.

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Speaker 7: Now, let me ask you this, do you, unlike other,

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Speaker 7: in my opinion, very disciplined teams. Do you see you

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Speaker 7: see having discipline and running plays for situations or not.

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Speaker 7: You're right there at court side, you would know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's discipline. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's organization. I don't like the game on Saturday, right

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Speaker 3: I watched Houston. Houston takes up a lot of time

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Speaker 3: on the shoplock. The Bearcats take up a lot of

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 3: time on the shotlock. When I watched the Bearcats take

1439
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: up a lot of time on the shoplock, you often

1440
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 3: see these sort of rushed threes, these out of rhythm shots.

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Speaker 3: With Houston, it always feels like they burn a lot

1442
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Speaker 3: of time and then they get a good shot and

1443
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Speaker 3: then if they miss it, they go get the offensive rebound,

1444
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Speaker 3: which they did in the second half. I certainly do

1445
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 3: agree with something that Dan Horde said to Tony earlier today,

1446
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 3: which was they don't have anybody who can beat anyone

1447
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 3: off the bounce. They don't have anybody who can create

1448
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 3: their own shot. They don't have anybody who can go

1449
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: into the lane, draw some contact and finish, or get

1450
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 3: fount or both they lack that. So when you lack that,

1451
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 3: then the system's got to create looks. And for whatever reason,

1452
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 3: the system just does not create enough good shots. And

1453
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 3: I watch Houston, admittedly with better players, but I watch

1454
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 3: Houston and it feels like their system creates good looks.

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Speaker 7: And it's killing me because you know, you guys have

1456
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 7: been basket UC fans for long time, and I've been

1457
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 7: watching them since I was five years old. In nineteen

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 7: fifty seven, I saw Austar Robertson play. I mean, the

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01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 7: little tyke. I don't know really what was going on,

1460
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Speaker 7: but at least I was around. And then the championship

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Speaker 7: teams and stuff, and then the Hugs and everybody. I

1462
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Speaker 7: just this stuff is just breaking my heart to laugh

1463
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,599
Speaker 7: since Nick left, and I don't know what we're gonna

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Speaker 7: do about them.

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Speaker 11: What are we gonna do?

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01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 12: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think if the current trajectory of the season continues,

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 3: then we're gonna be talking about somebody else coaching the

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Speaker 3: Bearcats next year.

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Speaker 8: Mike.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the phone call, man, Thank.

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Speaker 7: You, thank you, buddy.

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Speaker 2: You know, I I think.

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Speaker 3: As a UC fan, it's almost hard to fathom that

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01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:13,560
Speaker 3: we are talking about in all likelihood a seventh consecutive

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01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 3: year not making the NCAA tournament. Obviously, the first year

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Speaker 3: POSTMIC was COVID and.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they would have made it.

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01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 3: We'll see. But seven years forever for a program that

1480
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 3: went to it, what twenty three out of twenty nine.

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01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 3: Huggins went fourteen straight, Mick went nine straight, twenty three

1482
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Speaker 3: out of twenty nine, twenty three out of twenty eight, whatever.

1483
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Speaker 8: It was.

1484
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Speaker 3: Like a long stretch, and in many cases teams that

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01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 3: were pretty highly seated. I with this season, with this

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01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 3: season with the Bearcats, I didn't hear anybody say they

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Speaker 3: need to make the tournament with the top six seed,

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01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 3: or they need to make the tournament and run to

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: the sweet sixteen, or it's time to end the Final

1490
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 3: four a drought, like I think most most have set

1491
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 3: the bar reasonably low. Make the dance play in Dayton,

1492
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: and so like, sometimes it's fair to push back against

1493
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 3: unreasonable expectations, right, Like, that's legit. Sometimes it is legitimate

1494
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 3: to push back against unreasonable expectations. I don't think most

1495
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 3: people's expectations have been unreasonable.

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Speaker 2: This season.

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Speaker 3: Make the tournament, and again kind of comes back to

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01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 3: my original point, which we'll double down on here at

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01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 3: the top of the hour. Wes was very upset last night.

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Speaker 3: He clearly is upset at some sort of criticism that

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 3: he is getting. Whether it's all the criticism piled on

1502
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 3: top of each other, or maybe one or two people

1503
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 3: that are hammering him in his program, I do not know,

1504
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 3: but I believe, and maybe he would disagree, maybe you disagree.

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Speaker 2: I believe.

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Speaker 3: He's been treated very fairly. I think the expectations have

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01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 3: been reasonable. I think folks have been patient. I think

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01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 3: people have been willing to apply context to the job

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01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 3: and the seasons, and so to hear him and like,

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01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: you take it with a grain of salt, because it

1511
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: is emotional, it is raw. It's right after they lose,

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01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 3: the walls are closing in.

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Speaker 2: Like, I get it, but I just I would be.

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Speaker 3: I am so curious as to what criticism he is

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01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 3: hearing out there that he takes issue with, whether it's

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01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 3: a specific person's specific criticism, a general theme, a general vibe,

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01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 3: whatever it is. And you know, I talk sports for

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 3: a living, I talk to sports fans for a living.

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01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: I cheer for the Bearcats unabashedly. I hear a lot

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01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 3: of unfair things said about Zach Taylor. Hear a lot

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01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 3: of unfair I hear a lot of unfair things said

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01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 3: about Duke Tobin, Like you know, folks who are in

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Speaker 3: the crosshairs right now.

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Speaker 2: I'll be painfully honest. I I just don't. I don't,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't gather that. For four and a

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Speaker 2: half years, folks have been.

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01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 3: Unfairly taking shots at Wes Miller in his program now,

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01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 3: criticizing performance, criticizing outcomes, and expressing displeasure with them. Those

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Speaker 3: things aren't fair. They're part of being a sports fan,

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 3: and they're part of covering a team.

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Speaker 2: This report is spossible, really believe that.

1545
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 3: By the way, Caesar's sports book Over Under came out

1546
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 3: yesterday eighty three and a half. Eighty three and a half. Wow,

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01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 3: I'm not making a wager. I bet the over on

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Speaker 3: the Reds every year.

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01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 2: A hit last year.

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: I've done the over wager on the Reds every year

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01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 3: since twenty eleven, because, uh, even if the season goes poorly,

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01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 3: when I have something to root for in September, Uh,

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01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 3: no team has hit the over less this century than

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01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 3: the Reds. By the way, but over hit last year

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01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 3: eighty three and a half. I'm gonna see where that

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01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 3: number goes. I kind of feel like it's only gonna

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01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 3: go up, but we will see. Eighty three and a half.

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01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: Vegas is telling you they're basically the same team as

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01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: last year. Remember, by the way, Duke Tobin has said

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01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 3: about the Bengals said about the you know, last offseason,

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01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to pay for the same team this year,

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01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 3: and then that's kind of exactly what he did. Like,

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01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin's not working for the Reds right where they

1564
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 3: spend the entire off season, you know, basically keeping the

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01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 3: same team around, and it right now is the same team.

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01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 3: JJ Bledet maybe an unbelievable off season acquisition.

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01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: Caleb Ferguson was a good pickup. But it's the same team.

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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 3: Last year they won eighty eighty three games, right, Vegas

1569
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 3: is telling you with that over under they're the same

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01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 3: team eighty three and a half.

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01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: And this all I get it.

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01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 3: The off season's not over, but spring trainings what five

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01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 3: weeks away? Reds fast, this is next weekend. You know,

1574
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 3: there's still some time to do some stuff. But the

1575
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 3: season ended October first, It's been more than three months.

1576
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 3: They basically have the same team. They finished last season

1577
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 3: fourteen games out of first place. They finished nine games

1578
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 3: out of second place. Is the same team that won

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01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 3: eighty three games gonna win like ninety five this year?

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01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 3: They're in lies the question all right, we were done early,

1582
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: We're done at five thirty UK basketball. I'm up against

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01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 3: the top of the hour. We don't have any guests,

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01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 3: so I am going to shut up and do nothing

1585
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 3: more than talk to folks who are waiting patiently. And

1586
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 3: we have two local lines open at five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. So there you go a half hour of you.

1588
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 3: We got to take the commercial break at sixteen past,

1589
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 3: but there you go. And it looks like mainly on

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01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: West Miller and the Bearcats and the loss last night,

1591
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 3: and where the program goes for here from here and

1592
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 3: the frustration that everybody feels and why he's mad, and

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01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 3: I just I do wonder there's sixteen regular season games

1594
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 3: to go. If this is what it's going to sound

1595
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 3: like after every time they lose, it's going to be

1596
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 3: very unhelpful. I don't know that coming after outsiders is

1597
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 3: helpful at all. But that has been them after each

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01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 3: of the last two games, and winning will solve it.

1599
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 3: The question is are they going to win? On ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Thirty Latest Bengals off Season News on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: the Official Home of the Bengals.

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01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 2: All right, we'll do that.

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01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 3: It's four minutes after five o'clock, ESPN fifteen thirty, bud

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01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 3: Light five o'clock, have the hour. UK Hoop's coming up

1605
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 3: in twenty six minutes. Wildcats in Missouri ship off at

1606
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 3: seven pm. When the postgame show that goes so like midnight.

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01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: What if Mark Pope's postgame show has been like, we

1608
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 3: have folks who have waited patiently all afternoon, and we uh,

1609
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to everybody.

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Speaker 2: We don't like making people wait, but full lines today.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Darryl and Clifton, thank you for hanging on your

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01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 3: on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Hey, how you doing well?

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01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm good man? What's up?

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01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 8: Yes, sir?

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01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 6: I think, uh, we have to give back to what

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01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 6: us to backtball used to be. I think the biggest

1619
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 6: mistake that this athletic uh where he is. I think

1620
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 6: the biggest stake he made was probably not giving her

1621
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 6: at Martin his job. I think we need to get

1622
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 6: back to what UC basketball used to be. The defense,

1623
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 6: the pressure, me, the offense. We need to get back

1624
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 6: to that man, and I think he.

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Speaker 7: Does he.

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01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 6: I think he needs to go back to the time

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Speaker 6: and here's somebody that plays uh they played for the

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Speaker 6: school before, to bring uh stopping back of this program

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01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 6: that's been missed.

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01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 15: Yeah, I agree.

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01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 13: I disagree.

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01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 2: Well. I like Eric Martin a lot.

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01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 3: You know, among among among folks who have been a

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Speaker 3: part of the quote glory days, he is I think

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01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: the first name that would come up. You know, he

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01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 3: he coaches at a tough level where you basically spend

1637
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,679
Speaker 3: half your season traveling the country and taking losses.

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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 2: And so he's two and fourteen this year. I would

1639
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 2: wonder if I would wonder.

1640
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 3: If if folks looked at him, if the folks in

1641
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 3: the hiring capacity would say, there's there's a level that

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01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 3: he's going to coach at before he coaches in the

1643
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 3: Big Twelve. But I think the overarching theme that you

1644
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 3: just touched on is important. There is a lack of

1645
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 3: program identity. Now folks are going to say that in

1646
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 3: this era, it's hard to have one, and admittedly it's harder,

1647
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 3: right Like it's it's harder to put a team on

1648
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,440
Speaker 3: the floor every single year that has the same identity

1649
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 3: as the one you had last year.

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Speaker 2: But Houston does it.

1651
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 3: Like I am ade, I have become an enormous fan

1652
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 3: of Houston because I feel like they are what UC

1653
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,799
Speaker 3: used to be, even in this era where the players

1654
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 3: cycle through, Like there are guys who just look like

1655
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 3: Houston players. In my mind's eye, I could see what

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01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 3: a Houston player looks like. I want that to be

1657
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 3: the case with UC Bearcats basketball. Yes, agree, and thanks Daryl,

1658
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. I don't know that you have to

1659
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 3: hire a former Bearcat in order to achieve that. But

1660
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 3: I I think if there's been one sort of common

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01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 3: criticism over these four and a half years, and again

1662
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 3: I cannot emphasize this enough, I think most criticism has

1663
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 3: been fair. Folks have continued to wonder what's the identity

1664
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 3: or when will we know the identities? By the way

1665
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: this team defends well, I mean, say what you want

1666
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 3: about what they do or don't do on the offensive end.

1667
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 3: From a metrics perspective, from an eye test perspective, this

1668
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 3: team does play good defense. That's what stood out in

1669
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 3: the first half against Louisville, That's what stood out on

1670
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 3: Saturday against Houston, and it's why they had a puncher's

1671
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 3: chance yesterday. Like even the play where the dude throws

1672
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,679
Speaker 3: the heave up in front of his bench, they could

1673
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 3: not have defended that any better. So this team has

1674
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 3: been able to show a level of proficiency on defense

1675
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 3: that you would like to hang your hat on. They

1676
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 3: just haven't executed offensively in the second half. And as

1677
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 3: good as they've been on defense, I could see Trey

1678
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 3: Carroll going off on them now because they didn't double

1679
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: team them.

1680
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 2: But as a.

1681
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 3: General rule, this team has defended. But as a larger

1682
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 3: general rule, I think most would agree, or most would

1683
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 3: say that an identity has not been carved out over

1684
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,440
Speaker 3: the last four and a half years. Sam in Independence,

1685
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 3: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty, go ahead, hey don't.

1686
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm well man, what's up?

1687
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 3: Uh?

1688
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 13: I've the last week of sports here have been annoying.

1689
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 2: That's a word you could use, Yes, just it.

1690
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,759
Speaker 13: I don't even really have words like that makes sense anymore.

1691
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 13: Just how annoyed I am with Like I mean, you

1692
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 13: see just last night's donk and Saturday really spunk.

1693
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 11: With what the Bengals have done.

1694
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 8: It just it.

1695
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 13: I honestly, I've been a Bengals fan for for decades.

1696
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 13: Outside of the years where I guess, like two thousand

1697
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 13: and two twenty nineteen, where you knew they were going

1698
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 13: to just be awful and they were. They went two

1699
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 13: and fourteen both of the years, I've never I don't

1700
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 13: think there's been a more just beautile, miserable, just completely

1701
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 13: just a Bengals season that made me as just angry

1702
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 13: as this season.

1703
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: I was angrier last year.

1704
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 13: That's fair because they had they could sing.

1705
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had Joe for seventeen games last year, Yes,

1706
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 2: and he was.

1707
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 13: The best quarterback in the NFL. Jabar Chase won the

1708
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 13: Triple Crown at nine to eight, and because they played

1709
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 13: terrible defense, right, But it's just it felt I say,

1710
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 13: this one's more annoying because everyone could tell they didn't

1711
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 13: really do anything to improve. You know, we drafted Schaman Stewart, okay,

1712
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 13: and they signed some for their there their big free

1713
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 13: agent acquisition was t J. Slaton, Like you knew this

1714
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 13: was going to be the result. It was because they

1715
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 13: simply said, well, it's I want to do the same

1716
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 13: thing next year, but maybe it'll work this time.

1717
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1718
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 3: Even you know, as optimism, as much as optimism sort

1719
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 3: of prevails in the summertime, it still felt like everybody

1720
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 3: agreed the ceiling wasn't that high, right. I don't recall

1721
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 3: anybody talking about the Bengals legitimately being championship contenders. I

1722
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 3: think most said, well, if Joe plays seventeen games, there's

1723
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 3: no way they'll miss the postseason again. And by the way,

1724
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 3: I agree with that, but there's no way they'll be

1725
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 3: on the outside looking into the postseason, but it still

1726
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like they have a chance to be in

1727
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 3: that absolute upper tier of teams in the AFC or

1728
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 3: the NFL. And so for the most part, and there

1729
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 3: are exceptions when the ceiling isn't that high, then the

1730
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 3: floor tends to be pretty low. And you know, granted,

1731
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 3: it's not like they only won three games this year,

1732
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,600
Speaker 3: but the floor that they arrived at this year was

1733
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 3: lower than last season.

1734
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 13: Yeah, and and that's sort of just dovetails into UC basketball.

1735
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 13: I'm not trying to get on tangent here, but it's

1736
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 13: when it felt like and again, I I do feel

1737
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 13: bad for west Miller. I do in a way because

1738
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 13: it's you want to you like him and you want

1739
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 13: him to do well. He's a likable guy. He's he's

1740
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 13: really a like wel guy. He's legitimately a good guy,

1741
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 13: and it sucks that he's not doing well.

1742
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 11: But and.

1743
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 13: So him having an outburst last night just doesn't really

1744
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,560
Speaker 13: makes sense to me because it was all the criticism

1745
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 13: about him. I don't know who exactly angry at, whether

1746
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 13: it's the radio people or people at the Inquirer, people

1747
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 13: on Twitter, but when when you're criticizing a team's performance.

1748
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 13: That's okay, that's and is sports fair. No, Wes Miller,

1749
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 13: I would you believe he when he said I put

1750
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 13: everything I have into this every day. I believe him.

1751
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 13: I think he really does. When you're not winning, I'm sorry,

1752
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 13: it's it's I'm sorry, it's not fair. It's college sports

1753
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 13: aren't fair. It's again, it's not fair that another team

1754
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 13: in UC conference can can take their quarterbacks for five

1755
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 13: million dollars.

1756
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 6: That's not fair.

1757
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 13: That's the way it is. You have to deal with that.

1758
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like.

1759
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 3: You know, my my point at the top of the

1760
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 3: show at three h five above and beyond, just the

1761
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 3: way the game unfolded is Wes after the the two

1762
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 3: most recent games, in the postgame show has made allusions

1763
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 3: to things that folks are saying or posting about his

1764
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 3: team from the outside. And and again, I don't know

1765
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 3: if he is angry at one or two people specifically.

1766
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if he is angry at the vibe.

1767
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if he is angry with fans. I

1768
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 3: don't know if he's angry with the media. I certainly

1769
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 3: understand he feels the walls closing in. I certainly feel

1770
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 3: I certainly understand he is he's he's reacting emotionally right

1771
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 3: after games. He legitimately should take advantage of a cooling

1772
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 3: off period that is built in. But I believe when

1773
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 3: it comes to fan expectation, fan reaction, media coverage, and

1774
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 3: reaction from folks who have microphones, radio shows, podcasts, blogs,

1775
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 3: time on television, I believe Wes has been treated fairly.

1776
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,639
Speaker 3: And I again, I don't read, see, or hear anything,

1777
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 3: and look, some of it has come from a heated place,

1778
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 3: But I think every every ounce of criticism aimed at

1779
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 3: U see basketball has been solely about when and losses

1780
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 3: and performance, and there have been times where there have

1781
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 3: been sports figures in town where that hasn't been the case.

1782
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 3: I thought for years Mick Cronin was treated unfairly. I

1783
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 3: thought for years there were fans that didn't even give

1784
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 3: him a chance. I thought for years there were fans

1785
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 3: who talked about how tall he was. I thought for

1786
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 3: years there were fans who repeated some of the things

1787
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 3: that Bob Huggins would say about him on the banquet circuit.

1788
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,799
Speaker 3: I thought for years there were fans that just simply

1789
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 3: did not want to give him a chance because they

1790
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 3: were upset at things that he had nothing to do

1791
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 3: with that was unfair treatment. He had every right to

1792
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:36,519
Speaker 3: be pissed at things that were said about him that

1793
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 3: were unfair. Now, if you criticized the performance of his team,

1794
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 3: at least in my in my experience, there were never

1795
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 3: issues when you got to things that were totally unfair,

1796
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 3: there were issues with Wes.

1797
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 2: I've seen or heard nothing like that.

1798
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:55,759
Speaker 3: I've not heard folks criticize the personalities of his players,

1799
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,599
Speaker 3: or the background of his players, or his work ethic

1800
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 3: or their work ethic. Nobody has delved into their personal lives.

1801
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 3: Nobody has talked about their academics. Nobody has talked about

1802
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 3: Wes off the floor.

1803
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 15: None of that.

1804
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 3: None of that, at least as a general rule when

1805
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 3: it comes to fans and folks who talk about this team,

1806
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 3: and so him getting angry at outsiders is number one,

1807
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 3: not helpful if the idea is to convince people that

1808
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 3: this team can turn its season around. Number two, I

1809
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 3: think it just it flies in the face of I

1810
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 3: think what he has gotten for the most part, which

1811
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 3: are folks who have either criticized the performance of his

1812
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 3: team or people who care about the performance of his

1813
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 3: team who have reacted emotionally because they don't like the results,

1814
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:44,759
Speaker 3: and that's what comes with sports.

1815
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm still here about it, and I

1816
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 13: can understand, like human level, I.

1817
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 8: Said this, I.

1818
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 13: Fans come to the games and they pay to do it,

1819
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 13: and they have the right to boo the team. On

1820
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 13: a human level, I do have an issue with the

1821
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,000
Speaker 13: forty year old doing the eighteen year old. That's fine,

1822
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 13: Like that's that's on a human level. I understand that.

1823
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 13: But the people pay their money and they can move

1824
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 13: the team when they move. Uh, that's that's their right.

1825
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 13: They've paid the money to come there and they can cheer,

1826
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 13: boo or leave or do whatever they want. But it's.

1827
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:36,600
Speaker 15: I just.

1828
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 8: Like what you said.

1829
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 13: I've been listening to your show for years, and fifteen

1830
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 13: thirty four years. I remember when people would call it

1831
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 13: and say that Nick Crodin was too short to ever

1832
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 13: be a chance a coach that can win the Biggist right,

1833
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,080
Speaker 13: because because short ball guys can't be good basketballs. That's

1834
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,960
Speaker 13: that's stupid. I mean that the gat her short ball,

1835
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 13: he went blocked.

1836
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 3: But look when when when folks go down the road

1837
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 3: of talking about things that don't have that much to

1838
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 3: do with you know, outcomes, performance results.

1839
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 2: You know, Number one, you lose me.

1840
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 3: Number two, the subject of of that has every right

1841
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 3: to be pissed and has every right to come out

1842
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 3: and defend himself. And not that Wes doesn't have the

1843
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 3: right to defend himself when he feels he's being criticized,

1844
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 3: But like, they lose a game last night, and I

1845
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 3: feel like there was an opportunity to talk about how,

1846
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 3: how how the team did bounce back emotionally and put

1847
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,760
Speaker 3: themselves in a position to win after losing that game

1848
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 3: against Houston, and take us inside the strategy of the

1849
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 3: last few minutes and why things unfolded the way they

1850
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 3: did and instead focusing on things that at the end

1851
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 3: of the day don't matter. And then when you focus

1852
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 3: on them, is only going to alienate you further. Like Wes,

1853
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 3: Wes has a lot of detractors. Wes has a lot

1854
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 3: of people who are skeptical that he should remain the

1855
01:37:57,720 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 3: head basketball coach. Wes has a lot of people that

1856
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 3: have run out of patients with him. If the idea

1857
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,599
Speaker 3: is to win some of those people over him, maybe

1858
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 3: it's not, But I don't know that it's helpful to

1859
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 3: alien alienate those people even further. And and I think

1860
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 3: that with every rant aimed at outsiders, he's only going

1861
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 3: to do that more. Sam, I gotta run, man, Thanks

1862
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,759
Speaker 3: so much, Thanks both, all right. Nineteen after five ESPN

1863
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: This report is sponsor or. By now, we got like

1875
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 3: four and a half minutes. We got to get out

1876
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 3: of way, out of the way for a UK basketball.

1877
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 3: So we'll try here. We'll try to get through as

1878
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 3: many as we can. Joe and Bridgetown, you're on ESPN

1879
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,000
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Go ahead, Hey, how's it going to wonderful yourself.

1880
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm here.

1881
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 14: I mean it's gonna be one of them stretches where

1882
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 14: I think and I think the next not so much.

1883
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 14: The next couple of months are going to tell us

1884
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 14: a lot about this team, because I mean, in all likelihood,

1885
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 14: their season's over. But the one thing I will say,

1886
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 14: I understand people get on the coach and you know

1887
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 14: what they did it with John Brandon, they.

1888
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 6: Did it with Mick, they did it.

1889
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 7: What they're going to do with Wes.

1890
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 14: Yeah, you get at some point, though, when are we

1891
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 14: going to look at the guy who's made the last

1892
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 14: three major hires John Cunningham has not done a good

1893
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 14: job as athletic director.

1894
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're ultimately judged by the UH, by the the

1895
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 3: hires at the most high profile sports.

1896
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 14: And I think that, and I think the question for

1897
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 14: the fans, and I know everybody wants to fire, Let's

1898
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 14: go ahead and fire him April first, paying four point

1899
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 14: six million dollars. Who are you bringing in to replace him?

1900
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 14: And do you trust John Cunningham to make that higher?

1901
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think right now most UC fans would say no, no, And.

1902
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,519
Speaker 14: I think the other caller before with the Eric Martin thing,

1903
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 14: I'm telling you right now, No, as much as I

1904
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 14: agree with you, I would not hire Eric Martin. I

1905
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 14: think that's where they're going to go because it's a

1906
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 14: softball hire. The media will loving, he'll he won't get

1907
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 14: any criticism, He'll be here for five six years, doesn't

1908
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 14: have to make the tournament. They'll never fire him because

1909
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 14: he's a former UC player. And that's the worst scenario

1910
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 14: that could happen for them.

1911
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

1912
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 3: I mean, all I can do is go by John

1913
01:40:43,400 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 3: Cunningham's track record hiring his basketball coach, and he hired

1914
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 3: outside the family and outside the city, so to speak.

1915
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 14: So and if it were me, I would look at

1916
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:54,800
Speaker 14: Jared callaher He's the one guy I would look at,

1917
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 14: and I wouldn't look at anybody else.

1918
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 2: Utah State with Cincinnati Times, Yes.

1919
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 14: Yes, perfect, higher could fix it really fast. I just

1920
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 14: think Eric Martin. Eric Martin can probably do a great

1921
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 14: job and you see long term.

1922
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:08,479
Speaker 13: But I just don't.

1923
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 14: I don't trust because what if he fails, They're not

1924
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 14: going to fire him. It's not going to fire him.

1925
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 2: Well, they they once upon a time ran his former

1926
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:20,679
Speaker 2: head coach out of town.

1927
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 14: So yeah, and that's The whole thing is that a

1928
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 14: lot of people will need to remember.

1929
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 7: As dark as this is.

1930
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 14: Now, social media back in that time wasn't like that.

1931
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 13: Back though, it was worse with that.

1932
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the toxicity then.

1933
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I would imagine and thank you

1934
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 3: for the phone call, Joe, the UC's next home game

1935
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 3: will be very well attended. Back in seven and eight,

1936
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 3: not so much. All right, Jeff, you can have the

1937
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 3: last word. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty, got about ninety seconds.

1938
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 2: What's up.

1939
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 12: A not a whole lot?

1940
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 14: Thanks for having me?

1941
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 13: Ay, So, I think as we.

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Speaker 17: Look at moving forward with this, I agree with the

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Speaker 17: last caller. I think you have to get rid of

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Speaker 17: Cunningham first. You cannot allow him to make another major

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Speaker 17: higher here because if you do, you're just, you know,

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Speaker 17: spinning your wheels and doing the same thing. As far

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Speaker 17: as West Coast, I'm a thousand percent in agreement with you.

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Speaker 17: Seems like an incredible guy.

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Speaker 18: He just hasn't made it happen, and the fan base is.

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Speaker 14: Tired of it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 17: The standard is the standard, as they say. So that's

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Speaker 17: kind of my feeling on where we're at with it

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Speaker 17: that I just wanted to see you know you said

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Speaker 17: earlier in the show that you didn't think that it

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Speaker 17: looked like they were ready to move on from the

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Speaker 17: athletic director. I'm just curious that's vibes.

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Speaker 18: That you've gotten, or is that you know somebody's come

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Speaker 18: out and said, no, his job's not jeopardy, because if

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Speaker 18: you're looking at the at the whole body of work.

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Speaker 8: Here, especially with football and basketball, you know.

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Speaker 17: If I'm Larry Shapely on that board and I'm seeing

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Speaker 17: how bad things are going right now.

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Speaker 18: And then I just dumped a bunch of money into

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Speaker 18: a futable facility, I'd be pretty.

1966
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Speaker 8: Upset right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I, Jeff, thank you for the phone call. I

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Speaker 3: just don't get I don't get the sense. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: it's not going to happen. I do not get the

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Speaker 3: sense from folks that I've talked with that there's an

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Speaker 3: enormous appetite from the people who would do such a

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Speaker 3: thing to move on from the athletic director. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: more about this tomorrow. UK basketball is next. Thanks to

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Speaker 3: Taran for producing, and thanks to you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Have a great night. This is ESPN fifteen.

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