00:00:01 Speaker 1: Busies. Sure koc is o TC leader fan Fan Radio Network and k f a N dot com. We'll go with two minutes and we'll call it twenty seconds past the hour three o'clock Central Standard time. Welcome back Monday edition of the A Bumper to Bumper program, and we are delighted you are along for today's I'm assuming three and a half hour ride, three and a half hour tour. Burrero and Guardzi will be with you. We will be with you until then. Bradshawn Brian Kfin text line will be rebooted shortly, and that, of course that number is six four six six or six eight six. There were so many dimensions to wild Card weekend, which is not quite done tonight right here on the fan. Maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers are hosting as underdogs. I believe the Houston Texans, correct, aren't the Texans favor they are? I think by three hockey tonight on the Fan that game will be on the plus. Oh, the playoff GA will be on the plus. Yep, not that the Wild will be on the plus. Correct. Faldness, his teeth would fall out if we ever announced that the that the Wild were on the plus. Even though The Plus is a wonderful brand. It's great as far as I'm concerned. Good reminder there, and good for the hockey ambassador to know that the wild will be back in action tonight. Many dimensions to the game Wildcard weekend game matching the two NFC North rivals, the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears. We explored many of them yesterday. They'll probably be explored more today, maybe even for the next few days, given the dimensions potentially of and the ramifications of that improbable historic the Chicago Bears comeback. But there was one I hadn't really thought of yesterday that does, in a sense localize. One could say the story because we are your Vikings leader, we are your Minnesota Vikings station. We're devastated that the seasonal boost is now over, but it is. It's undeniable, correct Koc to me. I know we love him. I know he's the quarterback whisperer. I know he has helped to build the most nourishing culture in all of certainly a National Football League, maybe all of pro sports. I don't know, check the athletic survey. All that stuff might well be true. But as far as I'm concerned as of Saturday night about midnight kaoc is OTC as in on the clock. It's undeniable. We can run from it, but we can't hide. We have to acknowledge it. We have to face our fears. We have to look it in the face and say, hmm. There is one coach in the National Football Conference North who has yet to win a single playoff game, not one. I hadn't playing that many. But how many years? Was this a fourth year? As fifth? I think this was fourth? Is this year four? Yeah? I think I have the numbers right. The suddenly under siege. Matt Lafleur has a career playoff record now of three and six. I'm not mistaken, and I think that includes the loss Saturday Night. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Packer haters for sure. Not a great record, but three victories. Dan can Bowl has a career coaching postseason coaching record of two and two, and that's a fact. Hasn't gotten to the Super Bowl yet, you know, so I'm not ready to put him in Canton yet, but he is won a pair of playoff games, and of course Saturday Night. Ben Johnson, in his first attempt as a head coach to win a playoff game somehow, improbably borderline impossibly has it. Commands orders his team. That's good coaching, by the way, you order your team to score twenty five points in the fourth cour, Yeah, that's a smart move, which I believe is I think second or third for a single quarter in the history of the postseason. It's some absurd number. And I think they became only the fourth team in playoff history to be trailing by fifteen or more points in the fourth quarter and to win. He's one and all in the postseason. That leaves our guy zero and two. And let's be honest about something count Can we be frank here today? This is the time of year, man, This is it. This is what matters. And we can argue about whether quarterbacks get too much of the of the credit and too much of the blame if they don't win postseason games, or what their postseason record is, et cetera, because football is, after all, a team game, and a coach is limited at times by the talent that has offered him that he has to deal, that he has to work with. But you could sense it the entire weekend unless you totally try to disconnect yourself, which I don't even think is possible anymore and would have been a mistake. Five games in the books on unfairly you could say Pedestrian one last night, But ironically, even that game was a one score game until the fourth quarter. I mean it wasn't I don't know that you felt like the Chargers had to come back in them, but it was nine to three, wasn't it? Until they scored a touchdown later? And every other game was outstanding, theater, just tremendous, comeback after comeback, punch after CounterPunch. There's a reason that the ratings go through the roof in the postseason. There's a reason when everybody feels as if they're a part of something that no other sport can match, where it's where you make your name as a team and as a head coach. And we haven't done anything in the postseason. Not only have we not done anything, we weren't even competitive in the game last year, and we lost at home to a very beat New York Giants team the first playoff game. He had correct, yes, got Daniel Jones' contract. We did in effect, So I I think that's got to be the mess. If I if I'm the Wilfs. That's the message. Love the culture, love a lot of things you do. But come on, man, this is this is when it feels really good to be connected to the National Football League, and there is. It's just factual. It can't be denied. One coach in this division left now who has not tasted victory in the postseason. And to Ben Johnson's credit, he did it first time around again in ridiculous fashion. Could you possibly have predicted it at the half? I wouldn't have for sure, but he clearly has managed to fashion with a second year quarterback a you want to talk about quarterback whisperer. Shouldn't that be more Ben Johnson right now than koc year two, with a quarterback who was much belignd a year ago, big time, an offense that was mediocre much of last season. They're now doing routinely stuff that. And I can testify to this because I grew up little Danny Barrero, grew up with the Bears. They're doing things offensively. I mean, what they did I mentioned this, unserments. What they did in the fourth quarter yesterday is so far beyond the imagination of Little Danny Barrero. It's not even funny. Twenty five points in what a quarter? Could I get twenty five points in a month? And you're gonna wait a minute, you're gonna do it passing the ball for three hundred and what your quarterback's going to make those throws that we associate with other teams. So Ben Johnson should feel very good about himself. Bears fans should feel very good about their team because the first time their coach got into the postseason, there they've advanced. They may lose this week, but they've already got a victory. So I'm not putting the head coach here on double secret probation, but maybe I am. I don't know. I want to see it, don't you. It stands out now even more that the outcome went the way it did in Chicago Saturday. Do you say on the clock? I would say, has time run out? Well? Yeah? Has Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams? Are they taking over the division? They may very well be. He looked unbelievable again, They've looked unbelievable all season, and he just got there. They haven't been able to build the team in his vision yet. No, right, that's correct. They I'm sure had some big free agents, especially on the offensive line. Who knows what's going to go on with the Packer Their free agents actually played and didn't get hurt and aren't all thirty five years old. Who knows how John Harbaugh coaching the Packers next year? Will you know fortify them? Is that official? 00:09:59 Speaker 2: No? 00:10:00 Speaker 3: Not? 00:10:00 Speaker 1: And even I think there's even a report that they're still working things out with Lafleur, so he might be coming back. But they're going to be formidable. We know that the Lions are probably going to be decent, so this could be very scary. And what's the Vikings move? Right, it's your move, Vikings. You got to get back into the conversation because the division hasn't slowed down yet, no I mentioned yesterday. I don't necessarily think there's all great teams in the division, but there's no weak teams in the division anymore. And the Lions aren't going away. The Packers still have a lot of ability regards who ends up coaching. 00:10:34 Speaker 4: Right. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: The Bears are clearly emerging. Their defense still needs a lot of work, but they're emerging, so they're not going to go away. So you got you've got to figure this quarterback thing. Out this off season. You have to one way or the other. There are a couple of ideas that have been hatched on the post as a result of wild Card weekend. We'll get to those in a minute. Wants to give you a shot to win bonus bucks. It is back our national cash contest and the first keyword of the show this week is dollar. Go to kfan dot com and enter the keyword dollar. Hi. Here is the guest lineup for today as I understand it. You can correct me if I am wrong, But Johnny Athletic is scheduled for five thirty this evening. Yes, Sir ben Leeber is going to give us some bonus time. Even though he asked. We told him he could have a few weeks off if he wanted. So he's going to join us at his usual time, his customary time at four forty seven. Kyle Potter, thrifty Traveler MN is going to join us four o'clock. Is that correct for it to yep? With the big announcement, big air line announcement that has some no small impact here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul am I forgetting anybody. That's what we have that's what we have right now. Yes, now, A couple of people had texted yesterday, are you guys going to try to get Gerby going today? I'm skeptical that we'd be able to, but stay tuned. Anything's possible on our program. We'll let you know if we think we have any shot. Obviously there's a lot of shot and freuda going on right now when it comes to the Packers and Gerby in particular, I do know he said changes will be made. 00:12:36 Speaker 3: Well. 00:12:36 Speaker 1: He also vowed that he wasn't going to be on with this for the prediction segment Friday because we're going to be too mean to him hashtag sadism, very very vicious, too mean, and we were not very kind to him in a situation like this, like he would be right, very gracious, so very gracious. Have you seen the video circulating, by the way, it's like ten minutes no, of basically every Green Bay Packer podcaster that does like a live watch party. Yes, just a synopsis of all of them as the games going a yeah, and at first everything's contrast, yes, and then at the end of it it's pretty good. I didn't get through all of it, it's pretty good. It's mean because people are going through it, man, as you can imagine, they are absolutely going through it as that game is unfolding. But it's very entertaining. And I did I listened to your sermons yesterday. I did listen to Packer Wine Line on Saturday night. Was it entertaining, Yes, yeah, tremendous. And then I did listen to Packer preview, in which I thought the fellas did a really good job of balancing their raw emotion and frustration with pretty good professionalism. Here's the way I would put it on and I don't want to spend too much time on Packer Wine Line, but regarding the future of their head coach, I would say that I think he's a good coach. I actually do so. I would not be offended if the Packers said, no, you know, we're gonna do some tweaks, and maybe we're gonna challenge him on a couple of things, and maybe we're gonna challenge him heavily on a couple of position coaching decisions, whatever, but we're gonna hang with him. On the other hand, after a monumental choke and collapse that is that thorough. I would not have any problem if they said that this can't be allowed to stand, we're gonna have to go a different direction, I guess, especially if you know a stable, already established head coaches available, and there are there's one named John Harbaugh whose name keeps coming up. Now they may not be that's the only place he's interested in, but that that you lose that way, and actually twice really three weeks apart, but this time in the postseason. I'm mentioned yesterday that that's a hard game to come back and win. It's a harder game to lose. That's that's that's really hard to lose that game. And he could say, well, it was only eighteen points, Dan, Yeah, but it went well beyond I think the the eighteen points because in the second half you could argue the Bears didn't have the horse shoe. The Packers had the horseshoe when it came to leaving aside the kicking for a minute, which is a big horseho whole thing. Yeah, but just talking about the fumble, the available fumbles that the Bears needed badly and didn't get the balls they didn't recover. So I'm fine with that either way. I there's a lot of very defensive Vikings fans who are checking in here reminding me that the Vikings were four and two in the division in twenty twenty five. Do you want to raise a banner to that? Boys and girls? Do you really? And one of the victories was the last week when the Packers didn't play anybody. I mean, should have been the bearst twice? Yeah, exactly. Or on the other hand, the Bears could say, well, we should have beat you twice. That's true because the fourth quarter, we make one more play in the fourth quarter, you don't win the game. But nine was there that night to open the season. Nine was there that night, wasn't he? He was very true? This is this is I mean, you can be defense of all you want and you can say, well, Caleb Williams was a number one overall pick. How much credit you're gonna give the head coach a lot? Because if we've learned anything, see, it's funny how the whole subject changes. When Caleb was struggling, it was, you know what, he might not be the best quarterback in that group, after all, there may be some issues. Now as he's emerging, it's well, don't forget number one overall pick. So which is it. He's obviously talented, but he was a mess a year ago. Was that a function of experience or was that a function of coaching. I think it probably was a little bit of both. I'm just telling you, I like the quote that came in from Jared in Aztec, New Mexico. You want to change the conversation win some games. It's the same with all the quarterback second guessing. You want your people to stop talking about why didn't you lock in with Aaron Rodgers for a year? Why didn't you find a way to franchise Darnold, Why didn't you find a way to make sure Daniel Jones really felt he'd have a shot at the starting position. You want all that to go away, have better results in your quarterback room. It's as simple as that. I've said this from the beginning. If McCarthy had emerged big time this season, there'd be a lot less conversation about that, in fact, because they say, well, actually, the Vikings are ahead because they don't have any money invested. They had the advantage of being able to spend the money elsewhere. And this kid's young and he's only going to get better, but not enough good happened. So when not enough good happens to a team or to in the quarterback room, then all your other options that this year, the vikings happen to have are going to come up. Just the way of the world. It's just the way the war. That's not just a Minnesota thing, it's the way the word works. Same with coaches. If if you're tired of well, that's a little unfair to say that, you know he's owing too. I mean, how much really, how many good teams has he really had here? What's his opportunity really been. We're happy for those other coaches. If you change the subject or you change that the the direction the discussion goes one way. You got to win more games in the postseason, because, boys and girls, I'm here to tell you and I think deep down you know it. January on is what really drives this league. Obviously it's successful, y're you know from the from September. We get that, but this is where the money is really made. This is where legends are created. I mean, there were a lot of really good comebacks with two minutes to go throughout the regular season, but it feels bigger now. Why because you lose and you're done home here either and the other team is moving on at least hoping that they can extend for at least one more week or or beyond that. It's it's just a lot bigger and we've just had nothing to get excited about in that. In that regard, Packers lost five double digit leis and fourth quarter of this year, Browns Broncos, Bears twice, and there was one other one I didn't recall. Maybe the Panthers. There's been a lot of talk about that. Yeah, that's been part of their issue for sure. They've had some puzzlers. Now they are who we think they are. Yeah, and they too have been They've been decimated by injury obviously there. Who is the guy? They got Michael Parsons out is huge. I mean it was almost like the the the passing game was built around him until it wasn't because he wasn't available. And don't they have offensive line injury issues too. Sounds that they did, which again I said this you know earlier many times. Everybody has them to a certain degree. But I think we gotta get we got a grade on a tougher curve. I think we got to get past nice guy players seem to like to play for him. Atmosphere in there does seem good. It seems that players are responsive to him, and he's responsive to players. All that sounds wonderful, and I don't want to throw it out with the bathwater. But it's a results driven league, I think, and that's the unfortunate position that he is now in with even the Bears, the Terrible Bears, the embarrassing Monsters the Midway now have one more playoff victory with their coach and his first time going to the postseason. Not only that they had home ice. Of course, I guess you could say we did two one of the two times and we squandered it right right, Yes, So I'm just saying it can't be this goes. I mean, every coach has to deal with this. Who's been here. Denny had to deal with it. He lost his first three playoff games, one and done three straight years before they finally broke through. By the way, we were reminded by not Dan Minnesota. Thursday is a very big anniversary. Even though we've discussed this particular game before. I think it might be twenty five years and twenty five years is a big one, is it? The two thousand wasn't the NFC title game forty one donut played in two thousand and one? Yeah, it's a two thousand season, wasn't it? Yeah? I think it was so Thursday twenty five years. Do you think Robert Smith has another appearance on our show on that subject or do you think he'd say, Dan, I've unloaded that game too much. I think we should try Mitch Berger, the punter who told us that that's a great He and Robert Smith were planning their trip to Cabo. It's great. He might have a better sense of humor about it. That's a long time. I don't think this is a super Bowl week year here. We had him at radio that the last time among them. Uh, you got to call Gerby. The audience needs to hear from him. Is he alive? Is he doing okay? 00:22:26 Speaker 2: Well? 00:22:26 Speaker 1: As I said, I I don't know if we what do you think I've tried him at home? I assume he's not at work. I could try him at work. I guess we could try him. We'll try him at some point, right Dan. The problems with the Vikings this season we subted up in one word, injuries, especially old line. Is that a horseshoe thing or a medical training staff problem. I don't think it's either. I think it's to some extent, well, I shouldn't say that there's some horseshoe to it, but there's also I think we, if we're being honest now, have to say it's who you invest your money in and in a game that's brutally violent and anybody can get hurt at any time. Were you lowering the hot the odds of success when you decided to invest in slightly older than ideal players to see if they have more life in them and that came to kind of bite them to a certain extent in the butt. I guess that's at all that's possible. Any news on b Flaw by the way, other than he's one of like thirty coaching candidate head coaching candidates that Baltimore is considering, Is that right? I think the actual numbers fifteen, right it is? Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, half of thirty, but still a lot. That's a wide right. Sounds like remember when the Twins first It wasn't the Twins first list like twenty five or something or eighteen. I think it was. We were all supposed to be impressed by that, and we ended up with the guy we already knew who might be great, and he might some guy everybody loves Shelby true. Bottom of our break. I want to get back, get to the first UH wild card weekend talking point guards He's cooked up several very good ones. I My vow is I'm gonna stay connected to the postseason with or without the Bears. And then they're the Bears. I just I miss it too much, and and this weekend has been so good and so compelling that I say we gotta we gotta double down on it, even if our favorite football team is nowhere to be seen and the head coach is the only coach in the NFC North that doesn't have a single postseason victory. It's the nature of fandom, I guess that makes it impossible to see, for people to see past their own noses, or to assume that because it's the way they think and the way they are wired, everybody else thinks the same way. Example, I'm just saying, you got to let it play out a little bit, beating your chest because the Bears won a playoff game. It wouldn't matter to me in this case whether it was the Bears or the Tampa Bay Bucks back when they were in the division. The reminder is, we're the only team that has a coach that has not won in the postseason. And he's been here in four He's been here four years. Believe me, I enjoyed as a guy who grew up cheering for the Bears watching Saturday Night. I also got done saying they're not ready. Defense is terrible in many of the areas. So this isn't about me beating my chest. It's me dating the obvious, one could say. But the truth we are now left. We have we've we have no more interference to deflect from that reality. And you can say, well they got a good matchup, or the Packers were ready to get beat or all those things. It just doesn't make any sense. So that that's the point of the discussion. Doesn't matter who the the last remaining coach was, who won it and where he coached has absolutely nothing to do with it. Are you did you say you want to try Gurby one more time? You should? I mean we've tried everywhere, we've tried his house. He's not working. Does this sell? What do we think? 00:26:43 Speaker 3: So? 00:26:43 Speaker 1: Okay? Because even at a bar. Yeah, yeah, in a bar. And so I don't know, we'll try it. Let's try it. Let's give it a shot. Can't hurt. I mean, we've got nothing to lose at this point. Don't forget Johnny Athletic five thirty, Kyle Potter thrifty, traveler four oh two. To get to some of the news of the day. Oh, there we go, yep, yep, he said, Come on, does he have voicemail? I don't even remember. 00:27:33 Speaker 3: Hi, this is Kyle Schmid's cell phone. Uh, I would say, thank you for calling. I'm pa sure. I know it's just that Spots station and Mayapolis is calling and damn Brell and Jordan's and I think this was not And I'm not going on yourself. You're not gonna fool me, You're not gonna find me, and I can give me. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: The phone is out of contract. 00:28:00 Speaker 3: No one wants to hear from you. You're not You're just cool because I know you don't want to talk about football. 00:28:06 Speaker 1: You want to just talk about. 00:28:08 Speaker 3: Pleasing me and making me feel bad and make me feel like you know, good people are bad, but we are not. We are good people, not like that idiot coach from Chicago, who william to shake somebody's hands? And yeah, we heard what you said in the locker room, so don't think it's so damn smart. But we're gonna make some changes or keep some things the same. We are very intelligent and interesting along, don't leave a message, don't call back, quit bothering me. You are now approaching what we call harassment, so stay away. Do not leave a message here. I do not want to hear from you. Go away, but if you call anybody else, I want to leave it. 00:29:04 Speaker 1: Carl, is there any chance we can get you to call the hotline a kfan radio later tonight, right during the top five at five would be ideal. You know, I'm a bit disappointed, and I think a lot of the Vikings fans enjoying this chadenfreud are too You sounded maybe you're medicated, but you almost sounded too relaxed. I think we wanted to hear a little bit more angst in your voice, a little more hurt. Last time you were crying, and I didn't even sense any tears this time. So don't hesitate to talk to call back to your good buddies back at KFA N. We'll talk to you on Friday for the prediction segment which you are legally ordered required to participate in. Thank you all right? Not as much as we could hope for. Didn't he sound rather sedate? Almost? Yeah? Resigned? Maybe resigned for the word yeah, Yeah, that might be true. Sam fra Rosemann writes, if Gerby's and Palm Springs tomes and not yell at any kids at the pool this time, I forgot about. That's a callback. That's a good call back. Is that last year or two years ago? I think it was last year. You're right, very very true, Davy. Should we get to a talking point? They're there. They got a bunch of them. Well. I was going to start with the capable one, because we've been talking a lot about him, but maybe maybe we start with this one because there is potentially at least being speculated upon a local angle here regarding this particular outcome in this talking point. 00:30:38 Speaker 2: It's second down at ten for the forty two yard line. Herbert, out of the gun, taps his foot by Dell next to him in the backfield. Herbert drops back to pass, looks to his writing's under pressure, he keeps his bearings till he lost the football. 00:30:51 Speaker 4: He sucks and they're rolling on top of it. The Patriots have recovered at the forty five yard line Alice recover. 00:31:00 Speaker 1: Where the third fourth Fern and Herbert. 00:31:07 Speaker 4: Is slowan to get up. He has just been battered and bruise and. 00:31:11 Speaker 5: He got absolutely hammered that time from the backside from Calephon Chase on and then the front side of was Elijah Ponder that ended up hitting the ball gets knock loose in New England is over on top of it. 00:31:26 Speaker 1: Not well enough, you know, And that's a tough part in you know, we have to do better than three points in and as an offense, uh, it's it's not good enough. And quarterback player wasn't good enough, and you know we left the defense someday. Wow. I we've talked about Justin Herbert on this show over the years. I even raved about a pass, a particular pass in a particular game earlier this season that was one of those of you go, that's yeah, that's a play against us. We made him look extremely good, yes we did. And he he can make some throws where you go not many guys can make those throws physically. But my issue, I think is the same as yours same in the related to the postseason talking about koc Nothing's happened with this guy, and last night I think even Collinsworth was disturbed seeing ghosts. He's got to hang in there more. He's rolling out too fast. That's code for he doesn't want to take the punishment, or he's not yet seeing the field in a way where he's even giving his team a chance to compete in this game. He was a disaster in the postseason last year. Was that against Houston? I think he threw four picks. He's owing three in the postseason. And I bring him up because there are people, and they know who they are, who have long coveted this kid and who have said, huh, well, Harbaugh coached JJ McCarthy in college. They celebrated a Natty together, correct, they did. Maybe he'll start feeling the heat and he'll be a little disappointed and a little frustrated with what Herbert has done to this point. And maybe this, what took place last night in Foxborough might be the last straw. Maybe if we go to the Chargers and say, hey, got a deal for you. How about we give you some draft choices and JJ and we'll take the Justin Herbert headache off of your hands, because we've got the quarterback whisper. I don't want him. I don't want him. Is that too radical? Is that an overreaction to another bad postseason performance? He's had three bad playoff performances. The last two have been miserable, and he again last night did not look interested to me in joining the battle. He really didn't. I didn't think. He just didn't look like he wanted any of the physicality of it. He was a big guy who's actually run pretty well this year. Yep, I it's it's look, it's a game that we're playing. It's unlikely that anything like that would happen. And again I get it. He's a big, strapping lad. I mean he makes JJ McCarthy look physically like he's twelve years old, and he's got a gun of an arm and get the ball plays. He's got great hair, he's got all everything. Is he a California kid? Originally, I don't remember where's Justin Herbert from. I can't remember. He looks like he's a California kid. Whether he is or not, this doesn't say he went to Oregon. I'll look it up. I was looking at his contract. I don't know, because let me throw this in. Yeah the contract. Yeah, his cap hit next season is forty six million. His cap hit the season after is fifty eight million bucks. Right, yeah, Well you gotta love them then, yeah. Yeah. And I'm just saying now. I played the talking point because it was one of the big stories this weekend, because the one disappointing game of the five played thus far was the one last night, when the one put in prime time Sunday Night Football's true it was you could say, Okay, that just turned out to be a defensive struggle, but I just I mean, hell, they got the ball off an interception at the New England ten yard line right away, and you know what he did. He ran I think there were three straight scrambles, and then he went forward on fourth down and he threw a terrible pass that had no chance to be complete, one of his plays where you're not even giving you a receiver a chance to make a play. So, regardless of the Vikings connection, if there is such a thing to even consider in a hypothetical way, it will be interesting for me to see what they do with him and what this does to his reputation, because at some point it's got to be about more than looking pretty right and big numbers and big numbers. That it has to be. He just we we were down fourteen points. Caleb Williams a little bit where he just made four plays that got us back in the game. And he hasn't done that in the postseason at all. He did throw four picks in the game last year they got crushed by Houston. He is born and raised in Eugene, Oregon. He was a hometown can't go for the Ducks. Okay, there you go. The West Coast, Yeah, yeah, a little West Coast. Got the vibe, got the flavor, yeah for sure, and the look absolutely the look. Forty six mil for Herbert is a bargain. Well, yeah, if you love him, if you think he can lead you to a super Bowl, that's very, very true, Davy. But that's my question now, is the timing just doesn't unless you go with the old new scenery. Right. He didn't like Harbaugh. Harbor I don't know how to get the best out of him. We got a guy who knows how to get the best out of quarterbacks, even though he didn't really get much of anything out of JJ in your in year two for JJ year one actually technically so I don't know. I'll throw that into the mix. A couple of people are saying, no, not Herbert Joe Burrow, they would rather go for Joe Burrow. I would too, of those options, I would take JAP two and that's not that's also going to be financially a lot of money. Right. What if we keep JJ McCarthy McCarthy, give up KOC and get Jim Harbaugh? Well, I think I like that less. Harbaugh this time around has not been successful well to the playoffs twice, and they were well under five hundred the year before, so he's played, He's coached well, no doubt, but postseason has been a disappointment. I would think you he would agree. And if his last stop is any indication he's about at the point where he's going to start cheating massively, so that should help. But he has our enough of a track record where he has built in equity that our guide does not have. As somebody texted earlier, let me see if I can find it. Where is it? Patriots, did degrade? What's your point, fire Koc? My point is not to call for his head but to say we can't. I'll just put it this way. Any other coach four years in, with the up and down nature of the four seasons and a lack of any playoff success, including losing to an inferior team in the first playoff opportunity, would be getting heat. Mike Zimmer would be getting killed and did under these conditions, And I'm just looking for a little consistency. I think we've all lost ourselves in this. In this I hate to use the term narrative, but that's what it is. That everybody wants to player. Everything's wonderful here. We just have to stay the course that may be. That may be. So No, I'm not calling for his head, but I'm saying, let's get going. That has to be part of how we evaluate because it's how we part of how we evaluate everybody else, Is it not. I certainly think that it is, or that it should be. Ah the way what you're saying here, do you think like in that building they're not feeling the urgency now like ke I hope. So I'm sure KOs is looking at it and going man like Ben Jonson and wins this game as a guy who I think likes locker room stuff more than I do. Yeah, I found for me, And again he didn't do it for me. I understand that fully, and you can even say he's playing. Yeah, but the the Ben Johnson bleeped the Packers thing did nothing for me. Well, here's what I say about it. If it was ten years ago and you were just on the Bears, yes, and it wasn't going to be tweeted out forty minutes after the game. Like, I feel like this stuff has been going on forever and ever. And that's a fair point. And that's the because again it's not for us, but they can decide what gets out and what doesn't want it to You're right, Yeah, you're right. So it doesn't like to me, it's should always be. How does the team feel about it? How do they feel about it? Should they keep it private? I mean I like watching it. I think it's interesting just because I'm interested in that stuff. I'm a rub. But I'm just worried about, like everything else, it's becoming performative because so much of it now is being processed, edited and sent out you know in a way that we want it. We Yeah, we're part that's part of our brand now. I can hear. I'm guarantee you that somebody with a Rod's group, because there was one the other night with Finchy, And I guarantee you if somebody said, hey, we got to get everybody else is doing these post game videos of the code, we got to do that too, I guarantee you that that that's and I just don't want it to become so performative that it's all. It's all that it's at that point starts to you know that their meaning a little. It was a lot of these guys, I think that is what they would say, cameras on or cameras off. I don't know if a lot of coaches are thinking about the cameras ony. That may be true. Like when Jimmy Johnson did how about that Cowboys well for Packer for Bears fans, they all related to it because that's how they It's like, that's our guy. Yep, that's our guy right there. Well, I will add this, and this might sound like a contradiction. One of my beefs about Caleb from the moment he was drafted, is it. What I observed again from Afar was somebody who seemed to float above it all. Like even with teammates, like he was not connecting to any of it. Chicago, the Bears, the whole bit, the history and after the game. You saw what he did after the game, right, he did the cheese Greater routine. Oh yeah, Now to me, that's where he actually won me over. 00:41:53 Speaker 3: That. 00:41:54 Speaker 1: Okay, he's being silly with it, and it always seemed like before he was afraid to get silly with it. Like he's arrived in a sense that he becomes more relatable to everybody that I'm in this, all right, I'm in this. I'm gonna be in all of it, even the stuff that I think is kind of silly. So I may in a sense I'm contradicting myself because you could say that's exactly what the head coach was doing, just being silly. I thought his postgame interview on the field was outstare. 00:42:17 Speaker 2: It was. 00:42:18 Speaker 1: I was tremendous. I thought it was as good as it gets to to what you're talking about, absolutely connecting with everything and talking about the team and how they go about their business and how they believe in each other, and that didn't see and how we got to play. He didn't just say we have to play better. He got very specific because I think he was smart enough, his eyes are op enough to say, you know, we played, we keep playing like that, we're probably asking for trouble. That's what that's music to the years of the coach. I thought it was really good. Yeah, right about thought nine nine when he gets in front of the microphone, for sure, quazy is the problem. We get a lot of that, not Koc. What I'm saying has nothing to do with who's the What I'm saying has to do with this is the regime, and the regime has to ultimately be about results and make no mistake the Vikings approach and decisions at the quarterback decision quarterback position, I should say, that's not the general manager. There's no one in their right mind can possibly believe that that's Koc's decision. That's his approach, that's his philosophy, that's reflected and right now again it's not over for this for McCarthy, I don't think. But it's not very good today. It's it's it's it's not very encouraging, I guess is the way I should put it. I'm looking at breaking news from the A Section. Attorney General Keith Ellison, the mayors of both Minneapolis and Saint Paul, and it sounds as if they've announced that a loss has been filed against the Department of Homeland Security to stop ICE operations in Minnesota. We'll try to see if we can get a little more information on that and where that might go and strategically speaking, what kind of impact might that have. Our guy Andy Luger would be great to talk to today. Unfortunately I don't think he's available right now. But that's the breaking news. I see a press conference being carried live by Fox nine and it looks like Ellison's taking questions and I'm assuming getting specific about where that lawsuit will be filed. How in My question is obviously how quickly it could be acted upon, And then, let's be honest, how likely is it that anybody in the federal government's going to pay any attention to it? Because that's been more than half the battle to this point. Top of the hour pause, A thrifty traveler guy Kyle Potter, on some breaking airline news, aviation news in which the Twin Cities has a big stake. That's next