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Speaker 3: resigning Gino? You have to wait until the off season

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Speaker 1: And when we do that, there's nobody better to talk

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Speaker 1: Do you put a lot of credence into goal differential?

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Speaker 2: Is that how good they are right now?

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Speaker 4: Even without Sid Absolutely it's a great testament to how

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Speaker 4: The Pittsburgh Penguins are right near the top of the

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Speaker 4: rehab job. That is just mind blowing, it really is.

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Speaker 1: The trade deadline is Friday. What do the Penguins need

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Speaker 1: and who could they get? Do any names jump to mind, Pierre.

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Speaker 4: Now, no names jump to mind, But here's the type

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Speaker 4: It's red hot right now, Mark and a big reason

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Speaker 4: I have a list of ten teams that I've made

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Speaker 4: I'd love to see them at a robust, out right

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Speaker 4: those are the kind of players I think a Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: I think that's more than the management would be willing

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Speaker 4: He's up there for sure. I mean Robert Thomas would

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Speaker 4: So he's up there for sure. He's up there in

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Speaker 4: There are more players available than what's being reported right now.

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Speaker 4: And I find that really interesting, especially when you consider

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Speaker 2: Where did any trotechs go to go? Where will he

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Speaker 1: You hear a lot about Minnesota or Colorado, but he

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, that's a great point by you, and it's

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Speaker 4: I wonder what a team like Buffalo would be thinking.

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Speaker 4: So I could see maybe the potential for a player

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Yeah, that's that's too rich. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't have him rated that high, you know, I

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Speaker 1: I don't have them there, Pierre, what team is going

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Speaker 4: Looking, they're not in the playoffs right now, but I

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Speaker 4: They don't want ant col Patar not to make the

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Pierre Maguire. He's brought to list by

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Speaker 1: always Say Flagging and traffic control. Pierre, should the Penguins

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Speaker 1: think the thought process is with Kyle Dubis the pros

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Speaker 4: Well, the pro is that he's a tremendous leader. The

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Speaker 4: You can see how well that lion is played. He's knowledgable,

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Speaker 4: He's proven that he can still play in the league

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Speaker 4: at a really high level. I would not go, and

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Speaker 4: He wants to start his career there, which he already has.

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Speaker 4: He wants to finish his career there, I believe, so

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Speaker 4: I'd probably go year by year. I don't really see

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Speaker 6: Playing yet me too.

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Speaker 1: But he wants it decided now, but by some reports

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any incentive for the Penguins and

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Speaker 4: You No, I would not. This is the one thing

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Speaker 4: He said, why would I leave here? And what would

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Speaker 1: I remember that when Stammer re upped with Tampa Pierre,

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Speaker 1: but by the same token just two years ago, they

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Speaker 1: didn't keep him. They signed Jay Gunsel instead. And you

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Speaker 1: could see a similar situation with Mankan.

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Speaker 4: I think, well you could, and it's a great point.

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Speaker 4: But here's why I would say that's a little bit different.

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Speaker 4: They had told Steven I think early in the year

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Speaker 4: that there was a very good chance he wasn't coming back,

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Speaker 4: and it was a little bit like the Ryan McDonough's situation.

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Speaker 4: And if you saw what happened, McDonald left. He went

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Speaker 4: to Nashville a lot like Stamkos. And then when his

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Speaker 4: time in Nashville had run out, there did Ryan McDonald

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Speaker 4: go back to it. He went back to Tampa. So

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Speaker 4: part of that is his salary cap implication. I don't

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Speaker 4: think Pittsburgh is going to have any salary cap issues,

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Speaker 4: so I don't know if they're both the same.

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, and not for a one year deal

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Speaker 1: with Gino, there won't be cap in locations where Stamp

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Speaker 1: Coost got. I think a four year deal at Nashville

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Speaker 1: that was pretty pricey. Tonight tonight, Raquel's moving back to wing.

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Speaker 1: It didn't go so good with him at center for

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Speaker 1: three games. Kendall was going to center rustin Raquel at Boston.

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Speaker 1: How do you think the eighteen year old can do

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Speaker 1: I think he.

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Speaker 4: Can do it really well. I really do. I'm a

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Speaker 4: big fan. I think everybody in Pittsburgh is too. The

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Speaker 4: truth of the matter is the fact that he was

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Speaker 4: an eleventh overall pick and playing in the league in

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Speaker 4: the same area as drafted. That's an amazing accomplishment. I

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Speaker 4: think you can do well. Boston's a different kind of

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Speaker 4: a team to play. I think they're really sound defense.

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Speaker 4: I don't think, I know, they're very sound defensive league

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Speaker 4: Marco Stern's done in there and Ben a fantastic job

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Speaker 4: as a coach. I think the biggest thing when you're

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Speaker 4: playing them is get pucks in real deep and try

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Speaker 4: to work down below the hash marks in their zone

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Speaker 4: in the Boston zone. And Kindle's a player that kind

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Speaker 4: of thrives in the puck situation, in puck control situation,

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Speaker 4: so I'm kind of excited for him to see this.

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Speaker 4: I'm not, by the way, Mark, I'm not surprised. It's

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Speaker 4: way different to play wing and then move to center

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Speaker 4: than it is to play center and then move the wing.

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Speaker 4: Far easier to move from center to wing than it

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Speaker 4: is to be a winger and moves to center. It's

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Speaker 4: really really different.

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Speaker 2: You're right, and I think racks will be better.

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Speaker 1: Obviously at wing, I think kinda will do fine, like

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Speaker 1: you said, on that line now because of injury, Lazat's

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Speaker 1: opp the Penguins don't have that fourth line together that's

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Speaker 1: been so good, lazatte and a chari and doer. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of dangerous to fall in love

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Speaker 1: with the fourth.

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Speaker 2: Line, don't you, Pierre.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to move guys around, and you

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Speaker 1: can't not make moves to keep your bottom six.

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Speaker 4: Like it is. No, that's such a good line, because

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Speaker 4: it's true. It's a banism. Never fall in love with

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Speaker 4: your players, because you'll end up like you'll end up

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Speaker 4: like a raight source owning a race source. All it

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Speaker 4: does to cost you money, so you gotta be really

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Speaker 4: careful about that. But this is a line that obviously

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Speaker 4: is an identity line for the team. The good news

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Speaker 4: is on that line in particular, a Chari can replace

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Speaker 4: Lazade at the center if necessary, because that's really his

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Speaker 4: natural position and he's a former Brune and you'll know

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Speaker 4: a lot of the players there.

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Speaker 1: I think tonight, though, Pierre, it's gonna be both Hazes

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Speaker 1: at center, Kevin on the third line, avery on the

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Speaker 1: war right, that's what it looks like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you know that I was not

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Speaker 4: a that Well, that's gonna be interesting too, so that

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Speaker 4: that's kind of cool to see that. Yeause. I admire

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Speaker 4: the massie of avery A what I really, I think

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Speaker 4: that's great U And for Kevin obviously going back to Boston,

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Speaker 4: that'll be a big thrill for him. So they do

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Speaker 4: the one thing I admire about Pittsburgh Rosser they have

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Speaker 4: rosters flexibility in terms of players and how adaptable they

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Speaker 4: can be. I think that's really important when you get

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Speaker 4: to this time of the year.

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Speaker 2: Pierre is Eric Carlson the Penguins MVP so far this year.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, no, it's sir an as I still

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Speaker 4: and I know people say, yeah, that's just MacGuire's starting

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Speaker 4: off on Crosby. It's even though Sid's hurt. I mean this,

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Speaker 4: Sid's been amazing this year. He's been unbelievable this year.

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Speaker 4: But you know, Eric's been great. That partnership he has

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Speaker 4: with Waterspoon has been fantastic all year long. So I

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Speaker 4: would say definitely is in the discussion. But I have

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Speaker 4: a hard time thinking Sydney wasn't the MVP of the team.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, But the reason I think

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Speaker 1: it's worthy of discussion is because he's been grade five

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Speaker 1: on five. He's been great on the PK, which we

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Speaker 1: didn't even really know he could do, and he's rejuvenated

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Speaker 1: himself on the power play. He's like the old Ottawa

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Speaker 1: Eric Carlston the power play and I wasn't sure whatever

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Speaker 1: see that guy again, Pierre, No, well, none of us were.

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Speaker 4: It's why I said what I said when we started

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Speaker 4: the show. The coaching staff here deserves so much credit.

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Speaker 4: The rehabilitation has been done with so many players. It's phenomenal,

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Speaker 4: starting with Danny Knock and moving down the Eric Carlson,

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Speaker 4: and then you look at the development of the Parker Wallerston,

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Speaker 4: you look at the internal development of Ryan Shay. You

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Speaker 4: look at the way Connor Clifton has played. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is a tremendous story. And we talked about that

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Speaker 4: identity line and how well do it was out in

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Speaker 4: the charity of play. This is all an example of

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Speaker 4: really good coaching, the improved play of Brazil obviously, and

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Speaker 4: then you look at nanton the year he said, he

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Speaker 4: you go down on the line, Mark, and this is

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Speaker 4: a team that's improved internally unbelievably, and the coaching deserves

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Speaker 4: a lot of credit. And Eric Callson's the beneficiary of

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Speaker 4: a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: What if and this is just trade speculation, Pierre, which

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Speaker 1: you know you're loath to indulge, But what if you

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Speaker 1: could trade Skinner to get some help at center? Would

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Speaker 1: you be afraid to promote Morishoff out of the ahl

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Speaker 1: where he's dominating.

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Speaker 4: No, not at all, because that's what you want to see.

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Speaker 4: And I follow a really close Mark. You should see

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Speaker 4: my weekend as I watch all the American League and

552
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Speaker 4: East Coast League games looking for players like Meshaw. So

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Speaker 4: the answer is no, I would not be afraid to

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Speaker 4: do that at all. That's not a knock on Stuart Skinner.

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Speaker 4: He's gotten there and been an amazing Penguin since he's

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Speaker 4: come over from Edmonton, so I would not If the

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Speaker 4: market was proper for Skinner, I would not be afraid

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Speaker 4: to do that at all.

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Speaker 2: Pierre.

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Speaker 1: I look at the Eastern Conference in Toronto, Florida. The

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Speaker 1: Rangers in New Jersey won't make the playoffs. I thought

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Speaker 1: they could all make it and make impact in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: The East is wide open and well, I hate to

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Speaker 1: pump the Penguins tires too much, especially with sit out

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Speaker 1: for another three or four weeks. I think the only

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Speaker 1: team the Penguins can't beat in the series might beat Tampa.

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Speaker 1: I'm not predicting they beat any of the others, but

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Speaker 1: I think they have a shot.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Yes, I've said this many times on

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Speaker 4: Montreal radio in Toronto radio over the last two weeks.

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Speaker 4: I didn't think Toronto was gonna make it, and they're

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Speaker 4: not gonna make it. It's falling apart beyond repairs. It's

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Speaker 4: really sad to watch. It's just crumbled. But in Montreal,

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Speaker 4: I've said many times there's not a team in the East.

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Speaker 4: If I were to Montreal Canaanes that I'd be afraid

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Speaker 4: of including Tampa, But I do think Tampa would go

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Speaker 4: in as a favorite against Montreal. But I see Montreal

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Speaker 4: and Pittsburgh being very similar, especially when Sydney comes back

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Speaker 4: and he's healthy. You know, this Pittsburgh team is far

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Speaker 4: better than people think, and if they make the right

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Speaker 4: move at the deadline, it's gonna be amazing. I think

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Speaker 4: one of the things that's not being talked about enough

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Speaker 4: the growth of the Buffalo Sabers, the growth of the

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Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Penguins, the growth of the Montreal Canadians. Those teams

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Speaker 4: are all trending the right way with young players. I

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Speaker 4: know people say, well croudby Ola, n I get it,

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Speaker 4: But they got players coming, just like Montreal's got players coming,

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Speaker 4: just like Buffalo has players coming. Detroit they're farm team

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Speaker 4: in Grand Rapids. They got a plethora of players coming.

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Speaker 4: So the Eastern Conference is going to Florida is gonna

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Speaker 4: drop down, Tampa Vincu is gonna drop down, Caroline is

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Speaker 4: gonna drop down. They don't have the assets because they've

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Speaker 4: been good for a while. They don't have the assets

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Speaker 4: coming up to the organization. We're going to see a

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Speaker 4: major shift in the balance of power in the Eastern

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Speaker 4: conference in the next year or two. Major shift.

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Speaker 2: Pierre has always great stuff. Enjoy the hockey. We will

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Speaker 2: do it again next week.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait. Mark, thanks a lot, enjoy it everybody

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Speaker 4: that's peer.

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Speaker 1: McGuire broackt toast, but I always say flagging in traffic control.

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Speaker 1: Liverpool playing horribly, tied Neil Mill in the thirty fifty minute,

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Speaker 1: but as always I live in hope.

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Speaker 4: Uh