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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen Junior, Sunday Night.

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Speaker 1: It has been a long time, folks. I think it's

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Speaker 1: probably November. So bear with me while I bang the

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Speaker 1: dust and russ off. I'm really miss this. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. Weekends have been productive but very very boring.

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Speaker 1: And I'm here because I make the big bucks and

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Speaker 1: I get to talk to all of you. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: I do this for fun. Anyway, what's going on? Cincinnati?

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Speaker 1: Got a big show tonight. We're gonna start with a

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Speaker 1: story that's not overtly political, but it's starting to seem

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Speaker 1: like it might be getting political. And that's unless you've

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Speaker 1: been living under a rock. Savannah Guthrie, she's one of

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Speaker 1: the hosts of Good Morning America. This story has just

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Speaker 1: totally gripped. Excuse me, producer just corrected me. The Today Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm not big on network news because they're all, well,

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Speaker 1: you all know how I feel about that. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna get political anyway, unless you've been living under a rock.

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Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie's mother has been missing for about two weeks

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Speaker 1: at this point. She's eighty four years old, and she's

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Speaker 1: actually apparently from northern Kentucky. It's been a whirlwind the

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. I've been following it like crazy,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk about it because it's actually

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Speaker 1: something that's within my day job Baileiwick, which is the

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Speaker 1: criminal justice system. But we've got blood evidence, unknown DNA,

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Speaker 1: multiple people have been detained, then cut loose, swat vehicles

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Speaker 1: moving only to go back without a suspect in tow,

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Speaker 1: thousands of tips, search, more people questioned, and despite all

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Speaker 1: of this, no rests whatsoever. And on top of all

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Speaker 1: of that, you got confirmed reports of tension between the

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Speaker 1: FBI and the local sheriff's office over how the investigation

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Speaker 1: is being handled. And we're going to break down what

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Speaker 1: we actually know, not rumor, not speculation, and then I

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you. I want to know what

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Speaker 1: the hell you think happened to this poor lady, because

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's all on the table at this point,

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Speaker 1: from cartel's to just a burglary gone wrong. But I

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Speaker 1: want to hear from you basically on do you trust

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Speaker 1: the system to work seamlessly in a case like this,

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Speaker 1: because we're hearing of some tension between the Pema County

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department, specifically Sheriff Chris Nanos and the FBI, or

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Speaker 1: does this friction raise legitimate concerns for future cases? And

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Speaker 1: then later we're going to pivot after the break and

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Speaker 1: hopefully your calls to the economy, why the midterm doesn't

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Speaker 1: match the macro numbers, aka, why the economic spreadsheet does

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Speaker 1: not necessarily match the economic vibe in America. And before

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Speaker 1: the night's over, we're going to touch on the government

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Speaker 1: shutdown stuff, the fight over DHS funding, everything going on

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Speaker 1: around Iran in the United States. There is a massive

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Speaker 1: I love saying this word flotilla heading towards Iran, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually there at this point. Negotiation negotiations

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Speaker 1: are ongoing. God knows, we could be at war with

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Speaker 1: Iran by a week's end. And before it's all over,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Patrick Reagan about the upcoming midterms, some

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Speaker 1: of that disconnect between the polling for the midterms and

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Speaker 1: the economy and what Republicans do can do to help

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Speaker 1: with messaging. But as promised this first segment, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about this, this Nancy Guthrie thing. So you

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Speaker 1: got an eighty four year old woman, Well, let me

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Speaker 1: back up here, seven four nine, one big one of

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Speaker 1: old woman, eighty four years old. Let that sink in.

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Speaker 1: And I was looking into this and the percentage of

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Speaker 1: people that are actually kidnapped in America, anybody over the

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Speaker 1: age of eighty, it's less than one percent. So this

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Speaker 1: is rare so to speak, let alone a major celebrities parent.

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Speaker 1: She was dropped off at her house by either her

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Speaker 1: daughter or her son in law. Sometime overnight, she vanishes.

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Speaker 1: There's blood matching her DNA found at the scene. We

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Speaker 1: footage showed and this is so creepy. I don't know

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Speaker 1: alone is absolutely horrifying. We are told, living in this

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Speaker 1: the story becomes bigger, absolutely bigger than the Guthrie family's tragedy,

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Speaker 1: According to some reporting, the FEDS are getting frustrated that

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Speaker 1: think is a unbelievable understatement. And the Pima County Sheriff,

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Speaker 1: Chris Nanos, if you've watched anything from him, he's well,

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Speaker 1: he's interesting, to say the least. He's publicly denied this.

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Speaker 1: He says that everything that was sent to one lab

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Speaker 1: we should back up here. This is a local crime.

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Speaker 1: So if there's even the appearance of friction between these

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Speaker 1: what he's doing. He would give out information and then

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Speaker 1: Now as somebody who supports themselves doing everything I can

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Speaker 1: not another layer of something that's already got a million layers. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this because I've it's just been part of my life.

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement will withhold information intentionally to protect the integrity

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Speaker 1: That's normal, but the trade off is that the public

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Speaker 1: We are talking about this wild, wild situation out in Tucson, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: how you doing? Man? What's going on? Buddy? Sorry about that?

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Speaker 1: And here's what makes it worse. It's the public messaging

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 4: Hey, not much. I was calling because I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: It's hard. I feel guilty of that. I've talked about

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Speaker 4: it's been it's been over forty years and uh, and

429
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: the case has gone unsolved. The prime suspects have passed away.

430
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Speaker 4: But it's just unfortunate that that it seems like the

431
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Speaker 4: local sheriff's department seemed to kind of drop the ball

432
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 4: on this one. They should have protected the scene from

433
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 4: the very beginning. There could be crucial evidence that's now gone.

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00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, And Tommy, that's the thing too, is and

435
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: I can't well, can I ask you this was that

436
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: like southeastern India or yeah, southeastern Indiana is somewhere closer

437
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, because that that really sounds familiar that case

438
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: you're describing.

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00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like, yeah, it was where the motor

440
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: the motor speedway races were happening in Indiana.

441
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay.

442
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, four teenagers went went missing and then their bodies

443
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 4: were found slain in the woods about twenty five miles

444
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: or so from the burger chef. Yeah, and the case

445
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 4: is still unsolved. But this is twenty twenty six. There's

446
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: really no excuse for that. With the amount of surveillance

447
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 4: and the technology that we have these days, it's it's

448
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: pretty frustrating.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Hey, thanks a lot, Tommy, I really appreciate it. Man. Yeah,

450
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's unreal. DNA. You got this bluetooth

451
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: helicopter flying around just trying to find the see if

452
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: they can get a signal from Missus Guthrie's pacemaker. I mean,

453
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: this is nuts, but it's it's just again, if it

454
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: comes out that Missus Guthrie was, you know, alive three four,

455
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: five days into this, it's going to be very very

456
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: difficult for me to believe that that this sheriff survives this. Politically,

457
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: I don't think at this point. I mean, the guy

458
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Speaker 1: won his reelection by something like four hundred votes the

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00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: last time. I don't know. When you're the elective sheriff,

460
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: you're not just running an investigation. You're running a leadership

461
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: test in real time, Like, dude, the whole freaking world

462
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: is looking at you. And then you have the political

463
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: baggage of all of this, Like this isn't happening in

464
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: a vacuum. And this guy just came off, like I said,

465
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: a razor thin reelection battle against a woman named Heather

466
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: lappin which we'll get to her in a second. That

467
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: race was extremely ugly. There was union you know, police

468
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: union conflict that they sued each other. So you've got

469
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: deputy she was the union leader for the deputies. She's

470
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: suing him. You've got retaliation allegations against him. Basically, when

471
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Speaker 1: she said she was going to run against him, all

472
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden he put her on administrative leave. Whether

473
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: or not that stuff's legitimate, I have no idea, but

474
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: the cloud exists. And when you carry that cloud into

475
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: a high profile abduction case, every mistake gets magnified. And

476
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: let me flesh that out a little bit. There's been

477
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people you turn on CNN, you know, MSN, Fox, whatever,

478
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: people talking and it says under former Pima County Sheriff's investigator,

479
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: apparently this guy pissed off half the rank and file

480
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: when he got elected and they all quit on him.

481
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Just I mean, that's just that's everything that from what

482
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: the reporting I'm seeing. So you got, you know, he's

483
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: been sued by the union, You've got retaliation allegations by

484
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: another deputy that ran against them, You've got claim about

485
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: election interference stuff. Because now people aren't just asking at

486
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: this point is this thing being handled well, they're asking

487
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: is this guy's leadership compromised? Is this guy's ego getting

488
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: in the way. Is this guy about protecting the badge

489
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: or protecting you know, himself. So again it's perception, and

490
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: my real frustration is someone who works inside the system

491
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: is this case did not need the drama. It needed

492
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: tight warrants, It needed airtight scene management, which again it's

493
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: been clown hour. I mean, this is a joke. It

494
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: needed discipline, press briefings which again those were laughable. It

495
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: needed one voice, which that didn't happen, and it needed

496
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: clean coordination with the Feds. Again, this guy, this has

497
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: been amateur hour. And if you dig a little bit

498
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: deeper on this guy, you'll see that in twenty fifteen

499
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: he was peripherally, somehow attached to an investigation where people

500
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: were taking something called marked bills. It's money that you use.

501
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: Usually what happens is cops raid a place, right and

502
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: they find a bunch of cash and drugs. They'll take

503
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: that cash and then they'll use it to do controlled buys.

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00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 6: Right.

505
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: They'll use that cash, they'll mark the bills and use

506
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: it as the money for undercovered drug deals. And it's

507
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: not uncommon for that money to sometimes randomly go missing

508
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: in police departments. And mister Nanios that I'm not saying

509
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: he was investigated, but the department was investigated by the FBI.

510
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: And my god, he did an interview back in like

511
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen where he just laid the FBI out, essentially said,

512
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: I hate the FBI, the FBI, I don't know what

513
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: they're doing. Blah blah blah blah blah. It's very difficult

514
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: for me to believe that a guy who refuses to

515
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: send DNA to Quantico, the FBI's facility, the premier law

516
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: enforcement technological facility in the world, that could get him

517
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 1: DNA a hell of a lot faster than some random

518
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: lab in Florida. It's very hard for me to believe

519
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: that he is not taking out this pissing match that

520
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: he has with the FBI. He's not taking that into

521
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: this case. It's extremely difficult for me to believe. So

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00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: we needed a tight investigation, discipline, press briefings, clean coordination

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00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: with the Feds. And what we've gotten is a sheriff

524
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: who just is constantly on defense, clarifying statements that he

525
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: made earlier, acknowledging hindsight mistakes, reacting to criticism instead of

526
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: getting ahead of it. Like that's not leadership, that's not

527
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: command presence, that's damage control. And mark my words, y'all,

528
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: when this thing eventually goes to trial, if it does,

529
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: that guy's going to look like a fool. And you

530
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: know this isn't competence. Competence means you don't release a

531
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: scene prematurely, you don't create an avoidable confusion, you don't

532
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: let the story become about your management style instead of

533
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: the victim. Because right now much of the narrative is

534
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: about this guy and his mistakes, and that's a big problem.

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00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: The focus needs to be on tightening this investigation up

536
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and bringing this poor woman home to her family. But

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00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: instead we're debating whether the PMA County Sheriff's Department stepped

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Speaker 1: on its own rake and that is one thousand percent

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00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: of leadership failure. Leadership failure anyway, that's what I think.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what you think. Seven four nine

541
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Speaker 1: the big one of the numbers to call. Coming up,

542
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the economy going into the midterms.

543
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: All of the diagnostics on this thing, the economy seemed

544
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: like things are going well, but you talk to people

545
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: and you look at the polling and that's not bearing

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Speaker 1: itself out. Yeah, talk to you after the break. Mike

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Speaker 1: Allen Junior, Sunday Night on news Radio seven hundred WLW.

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00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: We're back News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen Junior

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Speaker 1: Sunday Nights talking about the Nancy Guthrie. I mean, I

550
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: don't even know what to call it at this point, disappearance.

551
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's even a kidnapping anymore. After

552
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: all of the movement this week, I thought we'd be

553
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: talking about some type of resolution, but instead we are

554
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: debating whether the Pima County Sheriff Department has just stepped

555
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: on its own break here and again, I'll say this bluntly,

556
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: if this were my client on trial, after this is

557
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: all said and done, and this was the investigative record

558
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: that I was presented with, I'd be gasoline and blowtorch.

559
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: Not because I'm anti cop, not because I'm anti law enforcement,

560
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: but because procedure matters, and process matters and control matters.

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00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: And when you're the sheriff, you don't get to be

562
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: a buffoon. I mean, you don't get to run a

563
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: sloppy shop. You don't get the shrug and say, well,

564
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: in hindsight. It's like, bro, you are the hindsight. And

565
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: if you can't project calm, if you can't project discipline,

566
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: methodical command in a case like this, then I'm not

567
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: sure why you have a badge on your chest. Anyway,

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00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones here, let's talk to Kevin

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Speaker 1: and Columbus. Hey, Kevin, you're on the big one man,

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00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Here, like you're saying this, and hey, doesn't want

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00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 5: to work with the FBI, But wouldn't be the first

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00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 5: step be to go to the state you know, the

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00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 5: highway patrol of the state police or whatever. Yeah, and

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00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 5: they probably have a more sophisticated lab. I don't hear

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00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: that mentioned at all, but.

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00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I have. I haven't heard anything about that.

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00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how that works. In Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, we got, you know, the state Patrol here,

580
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: but then we also have in Ohio the BCI, which

581
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: is you're a criminal. But that's kind of like the

582
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: state police but correct.

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00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 5: But yeah, they probably have a sophisticated lists. Maybe not

584
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 5: as good as Quantico, but I'm sure they're not bad,

585
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 5: you know, and Arizona's not a poor stag. Sure they're

586
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 5: well funded and naving. And another thing that that I

587
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 5: want to say, that's the FBI have to be asked yep, yeah,

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00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: or because I don't know, maybe because it's a they

589
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 5: say it's a kidnapping. Maybe they're automatically. I don't really

590
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: know how that works. Another thing, you got to work

591
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 5: out something for you that you're on regular because with

592
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 5: the Reds I'm speaking for a lot of listeners with

593
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 5: the Reds and coming up, and I mean, when can

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00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 5: you really be on unless the Reds get rained out

595
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 5: or something. You know what I mean that you need

596
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 5: to come up with some regular time slot for you.

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00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 5: I don't know what that'd be. I don't run the station.

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Speaker 1: Ken. I really appreciate that, man.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for the call, right, Hey, that's all I got.

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00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 5: I'll let you comment on the process.

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Speaker 1: Hey thanks a lot, Ken, Hey, Ken, I shouldn't let

602
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: you go call the powers at be buddy, because I'm

603
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: telling you right now, doing this for a living would

604
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: definitely beat wasting away in a courtroom every day. I

605
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: can tell you that much. But he was asking about

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00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: how the FBI, you know, gets involved in this kind

607
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: of stuff, and we'll give you the practical and the legal.

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00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: The legal is this the way the FBI gets its

609
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: jurisdiction and anything is through something called interstate commerce. Now,

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00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: way way back, the people who wrote the Constitution and

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00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: the amendments that came afterwards and all that fun stuff said, hey,

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00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna have state police, there's gonna be state law enforcement,

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00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: there's gonna be federal law enforcement. Who's in charge of what?

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Speaker 1: And basically the Feds can get involved in anything that

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00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: quote affects interstate commerce courts, and the FEDS themselves have

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00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: interpreted that to mean basically anything. So in a kidnapping case,

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00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: the logic would be and part of that interstate commerce

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00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: thing is what they call the instrumentalities of interstate commerce,

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00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: which is why when somebody's moving dope across state lines,

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00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: you're using the interstate Highway of federal jurisdiction, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you what I know as far as

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Speaker 1: what I've seen, which is normally the state agency or

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Speaker 1: the local agency will ask the FBI for help, or

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00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: in a case that's kind of high profile, the FBI

625
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: will send a feeler, Hey, just letting you know, you

626
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: guys need anything, you know, we're here. And a lot

627
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: of times, especially when administrations change, presidential administrations change and

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00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: there's a new United States Attorney in that office in

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00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: whatever area, they'll, you know, if they're good, they'll go

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00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: out of their way to meet with local law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: to meet with local prosecutors, and they'll come up with

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00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: their own sort of strategy on how they'll handle things

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00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: in the future. But the long story, you know, the

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00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: technical answer is the Feds can essentially make anything their

635
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 1: jurisdiction if they want to. And I think in a

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00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: kidnapping case, you will not see again because kidnapping involves movement, right,

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00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you kidnap somebody in Tucson, there's no guarantee

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00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: you're staying in Tucson, so you need, you know, federal

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00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: jurisdiction to be able to go all over and cross

640
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: day lines and all that kind of fun stuff. But yeah,

641
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean usually the way it works is the FBI

642
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: is asked and people are able to put aside their

643
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: egos and things like that, and the FBI usually isn't

644
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: very pushy. So yeah, hope that answers the question. But

645
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: let's let's take another call here. Let's talk to and Mason. Hey, Ken,

646
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: you're on the big one man. What's going on?

647
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: Not much, Mike, how you're doing tonight?

648
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: Not too bad? Buddy yourself?

649
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: I want it were very good. An old elder guy here.

650
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: Hey, hey, that's your brother.

651
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: I want to give you a small aside. The crime

652
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: lay up in Florida has since some of the evidence

653
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: sent to them to Quantico. Yeah, yeah, they couldn't process. Well,

654
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: you made a great point. There is no better place

655
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: in the world than Quantico no analyzed evidence.

656
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: No, it is the it is the premiere. The things, Ken,

657
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: there's things that they can do with Quantico that you

658
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: and I have no idea about and probably won't ever

659
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: have any idea about, you know what I mean, The technology,

660
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: the things that they can do, the ways I mean

661
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: I was hearing about stuff where they can take a

662
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: picture of this guy from the porch and literally remove

663
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: his mask. I mean, that's that's breathtaking to me.

664
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean my brother's an attorney and said the

665
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 3: exact same things you were saying. He said, even if

666
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: they catch this guy, they're gonna have as a hard

667
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: time to prosecuting.

668
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing Ken

669
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: is And I appreciate the call, buddy, you get, you know,

670
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: represent all this elder boys out there in Mason Man especially,

671
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: and the other The issue is this, there's certain types

672
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: of DNA we got to differentiate here, right. There's this

673
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: standard you know, saliva, blood, you know, bodily fluid DNA.

674
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: There's you know, skin, skin, follicles, stuff like that. And

675
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: then there's something called touch DNA, which is very very

676
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: new as far as the technology around it. The DNA

677
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: I described before, the blood, saliva stuff like that you

678
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: can get. You could potentially have a sample and test

679
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: it dozens of times if your sample is large enough.

680
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: The issue is with touch DNA, you get one chance

681
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: and that's it. One chance. And I understand here's my issue.

682
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: I under stand the Sheriff's desire to keep all of

683
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: the evidence under one roof, so to speak. I get

684
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 1: that because, again is a defense attorney if it's spread

685
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: out all over the place. You know what I'd like

686
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: to tell my clients when it comes to stuff like

687
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: this is the the more parts of machine has, the

688
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: better the chance of a breakdown. So if you have

689
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: all these different pieces of evidence going flying in twenty

690
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: different directions, that's twenty different chances of a breakdown. That's

691
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: twenty different chances of a screw up. That's twenty different

692
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: opportunities for me to punch holes in it. And I

693
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: understand that. That being said, how you don't hear hey man,

694
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: we got an issue. Investigators have just been called out

695
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: to Savannah Guthrie's mother's house. She's a massive celebrity. You

696
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: know this. We're sixty miles away from the border. This

697
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: is going to blow up. We should probably call the FEDS.

698
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: And I again, just speaking from experience on this kind

699
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: of stuff, the FEDS are not there to steal your glory,

700
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: you know the way that the FBI, you know, prior

701
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: to the twenty sixteen election hoax, nonsense. My experience with

702
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: the FBI prior to the Biden administration in the Obama

703
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: administration was they don't care. They're almost like machines. They

704
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: don't And we saw it here in Cincinnati. They didn't.

705
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: They the same FBI office indicted Republicans in the State

706
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: House here on the first energy scandal. Those same folks

707
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: indicted a bunch of Democrats here in Cincinnati on city Council.

708
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: They are just there to do their jobs. They generally,

709
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: other than being you know, within the DC office, are

710
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: a political They don't care about glory, they don't care

711
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: about their name being out there. They don't have to

712
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: worry about being reelected. So even if the FBI does

713
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: most of the work, I'm sure they're just fine with

714
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: the sheriff taking credit for it, you know that. That's

715
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: that's sort of my my issue here is like, at

716
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: what point does your ego get set aside for you know,

717
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: doing a good job and finding this poor old woman

718
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: maybe alive. I mean, I think that you know, we're

719
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: past this point, given her her pre existing health issues.

720
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's it's uh, it's frustrating to say

721
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: at least that that touched DNA, if any of that

722
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: stuff and that touched in that house was touched DNA.

723
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm telling you folks, you only get one shot at

724
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: that stuff. And as we speak, Uh, there's something called CODIS.

725
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact meaning of it, but it's

726
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: basically the FBI's the FBI's DNA database. Apparently they're running

727
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: that DNA through here right now. But as I said,

728
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: if it comes out the Nancy Guthrie was alive for

729
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: like the first week of this man that it's hard

730
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: for me to say that that sheriff did not have

731
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: blood on his hands because it's it's very difficult for

732
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: me to believe that. I guess what I'm saying. Some

733
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: of the things I'm seeing now, I'm asking myself why

734
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: And this happened a week ago? You know. Anyway, we

735
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: got another call here, sucked to Todd in Florence. Hey Todd,

736
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: you're on the Big one man, what's going on?

737
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 3: Hey, not much.

738
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 7: I've had a question all along, So what if this

739
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 7: was Mexican cartel? Yeah, you know, they do a lot

740
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 7: of They break into a lot of expensive homes and

741
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 7: stuff like that.

742
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: But what if what if?

743
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 7: And look at the way the guy was wearing his gun.

744
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 7: Isn't that the way the Mexicans yeah.

745
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: They call it a Mexican Mexican carry is what they

746
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: call it. Yeah.

747
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, So what if I mean, when they found out

748
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 7: that this is going to be a high profile thing,

749
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 7: a famous person involved, they just go sixty miles across

750
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 7: the border, or if what if we never find out

751
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 7: who did it?

752
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And that's that's the thing, Todd. And I'm

753
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: not sure if you've ever been out west, man. I

754
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever been in the desert. But

755
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: it is a different you know, it is a different animal, brother,

756
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: when you talk about out in the middle of nowhere,

757
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: it is, it is. It's I put it to you

758
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: this way, man. I go to the Red River Gorge constantly.

759
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: I go down to the woods on you know, this side

760
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: of the country all the time. I've never seen darkness

761
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: like that. Man. It is. Boy, you felt about being alone, man,

762
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, thanks, thanks for the call, dude. That's a

763
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: that's a really good point because it's inherently federal if

764
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: you're dealing with And that's the other thing. I'm glad

765
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: he brought that up in the second press conference again,

766
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: sixty miles away from the border, not saying cartels did this,

767
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: because I have my doubts about why, but we'll get

768
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: to that. You're sixty miles away from the border. Even

769
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: if this was a botched burglary, somebody could have flipped out,

770
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: went crap I gotta get the hell out of here

771
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: with his body and high tailed across the border. But

772
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: you're you're sixty miles away from the border. He's asked,

773
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: have you spoken to any of your quote unquote Mexican counterparts?

774
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: Have you spoken to anybody with their you know, the

775
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: American embassy there, any of the people with their border,

776
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: anybody in the you know, the Northern Mexico government something

777
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: like that. And what he says was something to the

778
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: affect them. Well, I do all the time, uh work

779
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: with them, but not on this case.

780
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 4: What the.

781
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Dude, this woman has gone missing. It's been four days

782
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: and you haven't called the Mexican government. I mean that

783
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: is breadthday. And the other thing is everyone's saying, well,

784
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: she left without her medication. There's a place where Americans

785
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: who live in the American Southwest go to get prescription

786
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: medication outside of their insurance plans at a very very

787
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: reduced price. That place is called Mexico. It's unreal to

788
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: me that I'm not an investigator. But when I hear

789
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: she doesn't ever medication, maybe this kidnapper took off and went,

790
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: oh crap, she don't ever medication. A dead hostage is

791
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: no good to me. I need to get these meds.

792
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: Why a phone call? Hey, can you get me something

793
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: on any of the phone pharmacies that are close to

794
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: the border here on people that may have bought this,

795
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: that or the other medication. I'm sure the FBI has

796
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: done that. And he didn't say I'm not going to

797
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: speak to whether or not I've spoken to the Mexican

798
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: at the wordies. He just said I haven't. I mean

799
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: that that is wow. I mean that that is just

800
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: unfreaking believable. And again it's this the entire world is

801
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: watching you. I just I feel terrible for the family

802
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: because you know, you don't want to if I'm Samantha Guthrie,

803
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: and look, she's seen this stuff. She she's a reporter,

804
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: she worked I'm pretty sure she worked for Core TV

805
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: at one point. She has to know, all right, this

806
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: guy doesn't know what the hell he's doing. I mean,

807
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: this guy just ain't it to not be able to

808
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: speak out, to not be able to say out. I

809
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: think I'll put it to you this way. The fact

810
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: that the family and this is I don't know if

811
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: this has been confirmed or not, but I've seen it everywhere.

812
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: The fact that the family has hired their own private investigators,

813
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: that should tell you something. You know that there has

814
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: just been a complete breakdown and loss of confidence in this,

815
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: in this sheriff, just the basic optics. Can't I just

816
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: can't get over this, declaring the crime scene clear and

817
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: then releasing the home back back to the family less

818
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours later, closing it again, to not

819
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: be a hyper aware of what the optics are on

820
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: this and a high profile abduction. I mean, we haven't

821
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: said a name a time where we've had an abduction

822
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: or a kidnapping anywhere close to this magnitude, Like what

823
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: the Lindberg baby. We still talk about that one hundred

824
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: years later, Like and again, like the public briefings, they've

825
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: just been a complete and utter disaster. Like he's trying

826
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: to walk this line between transparency and protecting the details.

827
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: I understand that, but the problem is every time he talks,

828
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: he speaks loosely and vaguely, and he starts feeding into

829
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: this second investigation, which is becoming the Twitter and the

830
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: Internet investigation. So like my again I keep saying it,

831
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: but like my bottom line critique is this guy may

832
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: be working hard from a University of Arizona college basketball game,

833
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: but he has not projected command and control in any way,

834
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: shape or form. And I think that now when you

835
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: lose it, or when you win an election by four

836
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: hundred votes and this sort of spotlight is shined on

837
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: you and you're not That's the thing is most sheriffs,

838
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: most these chiefs that have to be elected, are terrible

839
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: at politics. That's a good thing because their job was

840
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: to solve crimes and to convict those people. So you know,

841
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: why does this case matter now more than it did

842
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: before for him is because he's walking into the spotlight

843
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: with the political baggage from his reelection fight. I mean, dude,

844
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: he was sued by the FOP, he was putting people

845
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: that were running against him on administrative leave. He was

846
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: going like just slamming the FBI publicly, like to the

847
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: News a few years ago. You know, he's just he's

848
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: hemorrhaging credibility, and credibility is also leadership and again, discipline,

849
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: messaging clean coordination with the Feds and I don't know

850
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: basic scene control that would have gone a really long way,

851
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: and he may pay for his job for it next

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Speaker 1: time he's up for election. Anyway, we're up against the

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Speaker 1: break about some of the economic numbers coming out and

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Speaker 1: why they don't really match with what people are thinking,

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Speaker 1: and also telling posters coming up for the midterm election.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Patrick Reagan, our resident Democrat at

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Speaker 1: eight o'clock about the incoming shutdown fight, the redistricting stuff

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, and some of this economic stuff. Anyway, Mike

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Speaker 1: Allen Junior, Sunday Night on News Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: So we're back News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen

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Speaker 1: Junior Sunday Nights, coming into the final hour here and

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the economy, and of

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Speaker 1: course I want to hear from you seven four nine,

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Speaker 1: seven thousand win in or at the big one of

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Speaker 1: the numbers to call. And then fter the eight o'clock news,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to our resident Democrat, Patrick Reagan about got

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Speaker 1: this shutdown coming up, midterms coming up. Some of the

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Speaker 1: Democrat presidential candidates are starting to separate themselves a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We saw AFC make a complete full of herself over

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Speaker 1: in Europe, saw Patrick Bateman, I mean, Gavin Newsom do

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Speaker 1: the same, and Kamala Harris I apparently will talk to

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Speaker 1: him about this too, doesn't know that HQ actually stands

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Speaker 1: for headquarters anyway. Yeah, it's Sunday night, folks, So let

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Speaker 1: me ask you something. And maybe you should just ask

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Speaker 1: yourself this, because obviously you can't talk to me through

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Speaker 1: your radio. If unemployment is low, if gross domestic product

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Speaker 1: is growing, if the stock market is strong, why does

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Speaker 1: it feel like half the country thinks the economy is terrible?

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Speaker 1: And I think the answer is because politics isn't spreadsheets,

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Speaker 1: its lived experience. On paper, this economy doesn't look like collapse,

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Speaker 1: doesn't look like recession, doesn't look anything like that. Pe

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Speaker 1: growth has been running around three percent in several recent quarters,

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Speaker 1: stronger than the long term trend. Unemployment has been hovering

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Speaker 1: around four percent, which is historically low. The S and

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Speaker 1: P five hundred and NASDAC have hit record highs. Corporate

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Speaker 1: profits are strong, and if you graded this economy off

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Speaker 1: of a chart, it's not failing. It's actually pretty good.

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Speaker 1: If you graded this economy with a spreadsheet, I'd say

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Speaker 1: it gets a B plus, maybe an as. But the

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Speaker 1: problem for President Trump and for Republicans is voters don't

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Speaker 1: grade with spreadsheets. They grade with checking accounts and debit cards.

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Speaker 1: And the polling here, especially going into the midterm elections,

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Speaker 1: tells a striking story. And only about thirty percent of

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Speaker 1: voters say the economy is good or excellent, while roughly

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Speaker 1: sixty percent describe it as poor. When these same voters

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Speaker 1: were asked whether the economy has improved in the last year,

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Speaker 1: most voters say it has actually gotten worse, which that

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Speaker 1: is the part that is just unreal to me. How

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Speaker 1: could it get worse than what it was a year ago,

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Speaker 1: even though I mean by the math, you know, numbers

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Speaker 1: are numbers. Inflation has cooled, and job numbers look really solid.

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Speaker 1: And when asked whether their own household finances are better

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Speaker 1: off than a year ago, the answers are almost evenly split,

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Speaker 1: with many saying they feel about the same or worse.

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Speaker 1: So again, when the stock market is breaking records, when

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Speaker 1: corporate profits are up, when unemployment is at four percent

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Speaker 1: and the GDP is steady and rising, and you're looking

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Speaker 1: at these sort of polling numbers, thirty percent of voters

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Speaker 1: are saying the economy is good. That is a massive,

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Speaker 1: massive political problem because it does not matter what the

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Speaker 1: macro numbers say if people don't feel better about their

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Speaker 1: day to day lives. And here's the trap. Inflation peaked

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Speaker 1: above eight percent in twenty twenty two, and it has

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Speaker 1: since fallen five percent maybe in some cases. Some numbers

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Speaker 1: have it more than five percent, between two and three

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Speaker 1: percent total. So it was eight percent in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two and right now is between two and three percent.

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Speaker 1: That sounds really good until you start to really try

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Speaker 1: to figure out what that actually means. And it does

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Speaker 1: not mean that prices went back down. It means that

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Speaker 1: prices are rising more slowly. So inflation slowing doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: prices went back It means they're just going up slower.

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Speaker 1: That is unbelievably depressing. But from twenty twenty one to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, prices in many everyday categories rose, some

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Speaker 1: cases up to twenty five percent. Groceries, utilities, my god, heating,

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Speaker 1: I mean heating costs, rent, insurance. So what the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration in essence has done is they didn't stop the pain.

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Speaker 1: They just stopped the bleeding, and people tend to remember

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Speaker 1: that pain. So, yes, wages rose, but during peak inflation,

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Speaker 1: prices outpaced the wages, so households felt behind. So if

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Speaker 1: you're you're rising wages are disappearing into more expensive daycare

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Speaker 1: or more expensive insurance or more expensive gas, you don't

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Speaker 1: feel richer. You feel like you're running on a treadmill.

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Speaker 1: And now you add housing. Mortgage rates have gone from

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Speaker 1: roughly three percent a few years ago to six between

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Speaker 1: six and eight percent. That's insane and that's why you

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Speaker 1: can see it in the numbers. The young people that

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Speaker 1: came out in droves for Donald Trump, to my complete surprise,

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Speaker 1: the young people who came out, those people in their

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Speaker 1: late to mid to early twenties. They came out because

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Speaker 1: the American dream of buying a home was completely completely

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Speaker 1: unattainable for them, and they are leaving him in the

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Speaker 1: same droves because that's not getting any better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking from three percent to eight percent. That's hundreds

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Speaker 1: of extra dollars a month on a mortgage. Home prices

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Speaker 1: didn't collapse, so young families got squeezed out. Inventory basically froze,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, I got you the standard has to

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Speaker 1: remain the same. Donald Trump's a year in, he owns

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Speaker 1: this economy. But we all saw this coming in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one when Joe Biden just hit the gas with

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Speaker 1: the spending and the Federal Reserve hit the brakes on

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Speaker 1: the rates. Regular Americans got thrown through the windshield. Quite literally.

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Speaker 1: That's economic whiplash. And here's the mid term implication. Midterms

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Speaker 1: are turnout elections. They are driven by motivation and emotion,

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Speaker 1: not stats, graphs, and data. And the current polling reflects it,

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Speaker 1: same polling I was talking about. When voters are asked

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Speaker 1: whether they would like to see their congress person re elected,

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Speaker 1: economic dissatisfaction is literally the number one reason they cite.

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Speaker 1: Not what's going on in Iran, not healthcare, not the

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Speaker 1: social issues, it's the economy, stupid. And for Republicans that's

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Speaker 1: not good, because again, would they like to see their

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Speaker 1: congress person re elected? Economic dissatisfaction was the biggest reason

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Speaker 1: they cite when they said throw them the hell out. Also,

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Speaker 1: and head to head matchups, opposition candidates are gaining ground

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Speaker 1: on economic issues, even in districts where traditional economic indicators

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Speaker 1: are solid. That is, buddy, I'll tell you what, back

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Speaker 1: in November, I thought it was going to be quite

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Speaker 1: literally impossible for the Republicans to completely botch this next

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Speaker 1: midterm election. Man, these numbers are not good. And as

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Speaker 1: we all know, midterms are rarely referendums on charts. They're

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Speaker 1: referendums on feelings and vibes. And the vibe for many

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Speaker 1: Americans is I'm working my ass off and things still

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Speaker 1: feel really tight. It doesn't matter that GDP is three percent,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that unemployment is four percent. I'm working

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Speaker 1: non stop and this feels really tight. So if your

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Speaker 1: grocery bill is still twenty percent higher than it was

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Speaker 1: four years ago, you don't feel relief. And add savings

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Speaker 1: in debt to the mix. Saving rates have dropped, totally dropped,

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Speaker 1: credit card balances of a record levels, and some categories

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Speaker 1: of payment delinquency are way up, including student loans. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, folks, an economy where people borrow to survive

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Speaker 1: is not prosperity. It's not the greatest economy the world

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Speaker 1: has ever seen. Its stress with a minimum payment, pure

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Speaker 1: and simple. Inflation was not magic, It was not lucky,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't an accident. The previous administration the Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: and I can't again Trump owns this, but I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: We got to call this what it was. The administration

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Speaker 1: passed the previous one passed massive, massive stimulus spending as

989
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: the economy was reopening post COVID trillions of unnecessary dollars.

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Speaker 1: Basic economics, more money chasing constrained supply equals higher prices.

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Speaker 1: It's not. It was obvious. And if you recall the

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Speaker 1: reporting back then, even Joe Biden's economic advisors were with

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Speaker 1: their hair on fire, screaming begging him not to cut

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Speaker 1: those final stimulus checks. If you dump gasoline on a fire,

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Speaker 1: don't act surprise when the flames get higher. And when

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Speaker 1: inflation hit, we were just gas lit with the bull

997
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: crap messaging of it's temporary, it's transitory, it's corporate greed.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it's actually Vladimir Putin's price hike. At some

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Speaker 1: point voters just stop buying the explanation. And even though

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Speaker 1: it's a different president now, we're still in that mindset.

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Speaker 1: When your grocery build doubles, you don't need a press conference,

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Speaker 1: you need relief. And here's the political reality for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: And of course, after the eight o'clock News. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to our resident Democrat, Patrick Gregan about this. You don't

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Speaker 1: get rewarded for stabilization after chaos. If voters think that

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Speaker 1: you caused the chaos, that's the mid term problem. So

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Speaker 1: here's my issue, and it again, it is one thousand

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Speaker 1: percent the same issue that constantly dogs Republicans messaging, the messaging.

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Speaker 1: Why why is it that all we hear about is

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Speaker 1: raids and ice raids in Minnesota and people being killed

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Speaker 1: and protests and all this and Epstein, where is where

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Speaker 1: are the presidents, all the president's men on every single

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01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: talk show every single day talking about how it may

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Speaker 1: not be great?

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Speaker 6: Here?

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Speaker 1: Rome was not built in a day, President poopy Pants,

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Speaker 1: before this set the economy on fire, and that next

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Speaker 1: quarter is poised to go gangbusters because this is a

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Speaker 1: vibe thing, folks. It is metrically. The economy is doing

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Speaker 1: a lot better than than than people realize. But the

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Speaker 1: fact that that inflation has not stopped totally is killing

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Speaker 1: this administration. And in classic Donald Trump fashion, I think

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Speaker 1: he over promised. He said, I'm gonna fix it, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it in two or three weeks or

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Speaker 1: whatever the hell he said. You can't do that. And

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Speaker 1: I think that people remembered the twenty Seve twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: economy and thought, here we go, we're gonna go gangbusters again.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump didn't help himself with that. But the

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Speaker 1: messaging on the Republican end has been awful. And I

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Speaker 1: hope that they use that massive amount of money they

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Speaker 1: have compared to the Democrats, because the Democrats are broke,

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Speaker 1: to get a little bit better at messaging this, Because again,

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Speaker 1: you don't get rewarded for stabilizing chaos if voters think

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Speaker 1: you caused the chaos. I mean, even if inflation is

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Speaker 1: cooling now, voters spent two years feeling squeezed. And if

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Speaker 1: people felt squeezed for two years, you don't reverse that

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Speaker 1: mood in one good jobs report. You can reverse the GDP,

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: you can stop the inflation, or you can slow it.

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Speaker 1: You can come out with I mean, god, the last

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Speaker 1: jobs report was unbelievable. You can do those things in

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Speaker 1: as Donald Trump has shown, in a relatively quick period

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Speaker 1: of time. But you don't reverse the mood with one

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Speaker 1: good jobs report and a bunch of messaging about Epstein

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Speaker 1: in Iran and Ukraine and all this other crap. Here's

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Speaker 1: the reality. The American economy is a lot stronger than

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Speaker 1: the mood suggests. But in politics, mood beats metrics. We

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Speaker 1: all know that. And if voters don't feel secure in

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Speaker 1: their own homes, they're not going to reward anybody in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: And if the White House wants better midterm numbers than

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Speaker 1: what they're looking down the barrel of right now, they

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Speaker 1: don't need another chart. They need Americans to actually feel it.

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Speaker 1: And until relief starts showing up and checking accounts, all

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Speaker 1: we have to do, all we have to deal with

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Speaker 1: is vibe and the messaging around the economy has got

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Speaker 1: to get better or I'm telling you, folks, this midterm

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Speaker 1: election is going to be an abject schal lacking for

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party. I mean, this is going to be

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Speaker 1: I don't want to use the words historic, but it

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Speaker 1: could be historic. Anyway, Coming up on the break after

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Speaker 1: the news, we're gonna be talking to Patrick Reagan about this,

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Speaker 1: about who's starting to emerge on the Democrat side, as

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Speaker 1: far as who's going to be running for president. What

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Speaker 1: else the dh or excuse me, the shut the impending

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Speaker 1: government shutdown coming up all over the DHS stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's this looming shutdown come and fighting over DHS funding,

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Speaker 1: border security, funding, immigration enforcement, political brinksmanship, and once again

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Speaker 1: Congress is just staring at a deadline. So you know,

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Speaker 1: here's the question that we need to ask ourselves. Is

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Speaker 1: this about policy or is this about leverage? I think

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Speaker 1: you all know the answer. And are we serious about

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Speaker 1: funding core government functions like TSA like like the Coastguard

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Speaker 1: or are we just going to continue to just lurch

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Speaker 1: from crisis to crisis over and over again and you know,

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Speaker 1: continuing funding resolution after continuing funding resolution, or are we

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Speaker 1: going to start functioning? Are we going to start seeing

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Speaker 1: our federal government functioning again? Because I'm telling you guys,

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Speaker 1: this is getting old. And I've never felt much sympathy

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Speaker 1: for government employees, but you know, folks that are essentially

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Speaker 1: in the military, because that's what the Coast Guard is,

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Speaker 1: is the military, it's just under DHS and not the Pentagon.

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Speaker 1: Screwing those people out of their money is It's not

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Speaker 1: a good look. And frankly, Democrats they shut down the

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Speaker 1: government at anytime they fart. It gets really old. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking to Patrick c. Reagan about that after

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Speaker 1: the eight o'clock news Mike Allen Junior on News Radio

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. They we're back. News Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Mike Allen Junr Sunday Night. Man, I am out of

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Speaker 1: radio shape. I am mentally exhausted. I got to get

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Speaker 1: back into this. Somebody who doesn't get mentally exhausted and

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Speaker 1: is as crazy about all this political stuff as I

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Speaker 1: am is our own resident Democrat, Patrick Reagan. Patrick, how

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Speaker 1: are you? My friend? It has been way too long,

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Speaker 1: It has.

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Speaker 6: Been entirely too long, and Mike, it is so good

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Speaker 6: to be back. You know, this is probably one of

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Speaker 6: my favorite things to do any weekend. And there's nothing

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Speaker 6: like a good Sunday night where the two of us

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Speaker 6: hash out the issues and talk about what's going on

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Speaker 6: in this country. And I think this conversation is so

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Speaker 6: important because right now, you know, all my Republicans they

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Speaker 6: don't know any Democrats, and all my Democrats they don't

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Speaker 6: know any Republicans. But the two of us here get

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Speaker 6: together in a bipartisan manner and we have fun, yes,

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Speaker 6: and an absolute blast. And it is so good.

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Speaker 1: To be back, Yes, absolutely, And that's something that is

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Speaker 1: just missing, man. Is that it just feels like nobody

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Speaker 1: there's no friends across the aisle anymore, and it's just

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Speaker 1: it's sad. It's just sad. That's the only thing I

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Speaker 1: can really come up with is it's just really sad.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, variety is the spice of life.

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Speaker 1: And I've always thought that talking to and hanging out

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Speaker 1: with people that are not like you is how you're

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Speaker 1: grow and mature. So anyway, thanks, thanks for thanks for

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Speaker 1: always doing this with me, my friend.

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Speaker 7: Of course, of course.

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Speaker 6: Well, and you know the other thing is when you

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Speaker 6: talk to people that might have a different viewpoint than

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Speaker 6: you see, it strengthened you learn, and it strengthens your

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Speaker 6: own viewpoints and you might learn something from the other person.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, iron sharpens iron, my friend. All Right, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you heard the last segment. I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm just confused. And I'm not confused because I can

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Speaker 1: do math. But how the hell does the stock market

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Speaker 1: break a record? How do we have GDP steadily growing?

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Speaker 1: How do we have how do we have unemployment at

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Speaker 1: four percent? And Donald Trump is just I mean, saying

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Speaker 1: he's underwater on the economy is just it's it's an understatement.

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Speaker 1: How the hell is this?

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Speaker 6: Are you? Are you sure you're not reading from Pam

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Speaker 6: Bondie the testimony?

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Speaker 1: My volume, my volume, the volume of my voice is

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Speaker 1: not loud enough. So that's how you know? But how

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Speaker 1: is this?

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Speaker 4: Chairman?

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Speaker 3: Was a fifty?

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Speaker 6: I meant get.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part was sounded like my sister and I argue,

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Speaker 1: you don't tell me anything. Oh well, I told you

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Speaker 1: her and Jamie air plugs rasking going at it was Well,

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Speaker 1: that was fun.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna have to call your mom in to mediate

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Speaker 6: that situation, or.

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Speaker 1: Or me to mediate my mom and my sister's situation.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, how is this possible? Patrick, that the

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Speaker 1: numbers are that good and the polling is that bad?

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, So a lot of people that were on

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Speaker 6: the fence as to whom to vote for in twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty four ended up voting for Trump because things are

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Speaker 6: too expensive. And I'm a proud Democrat, but mid party

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Speaker 6: had a total meltdown on the national stage having President

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Speaker 6: Biden runs reelection. It just it was not a great idea,

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Speaker 6: and so a lot of people were frustrated, and they

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Speaker 6: saw the price of gas and groceries, and they voted

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Speaker 6: for Trump because he presented an alternative and potentially a

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Speaker 6: way to make their lives better. But that's why they

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Speaker 6: voted for him. But they don't want Ice gunning down

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Speaker 6: people in the streets. They don't want Medicaid getting cut,

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Speaker 6: shutting down hospitals in rural America. They don't want some

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Speaker 6: of the overreach and the extremism that we have seen

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Speaker 6: from this administration. They literally just want to be able

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Speaker 6: to afford life, get ahead, make sure the kids are

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Speaker 6: in good schools, their communities are safe, and be left alone.

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Speaker 6: They don't want some of this ideological nonsense that we

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Speaker 6: have seen come out of Washington. And I think, especially

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Speaker 6: with some of the Ice killings, this is a bit

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Speaker 6: of a moral moment for people. I'm seeing people friends

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Speaker 6: on the entire ideological spectrum that are waking up, and

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Speaker 6: I think that they just they went too far. People

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Speaker 6: just want to be able to afford life. They do

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Speaker 6: not want people getting gunned down in the street. And

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Speaker 6: I think also you, as a civil libertarian, would probably

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Speaker 6: agree that Ice pulling a gun out of a guy's

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Speaker 6: holster when he's not even attacking with a mob or anything.

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Speaker 6: The officers and.

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Speaker 1: I don't show up to arrests armed and try to

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Speaker 1: interfere in those arrests. I mean, I just I get

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. And everything about Minnesota was ugly and terrible.

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Speaker 1: I think Christy Nome is about as useful as a

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Speaker 1: bleep flavored popsicle. She's got to go, in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: But that being said, mister pretty, I mean, dude, you

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Speaker 1: can't just go walk up to a bunch of ICE

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Speaker 1: agents that are in mid arrest with a gun. You're

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Speaker 1: just asking for it. And then I'd say the same thing,

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Speaker 1: all right, well what about Kyle Rittenhouse. Everybody melted down

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Speaker 1: about Kyle Rittenhouse legally carrying. It's like, well, why are

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Speaker 1: you melting down about this? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's that's a point I made before. Man,

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Speaker 1: is that Trump sort of went from I'm gonna calm

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Speaker 1: the chaos to doing what he always does, which is

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Speaker 1: just bringing more chaos.

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Speaker 6: He turns up to heat that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, no, you're absolutely right, man. So let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this too. And we knew this was gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, with the with the redistricting stuff, I haven't

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Speaker 1: looked that hard. I have seen Ebigail Spanberger. Just u boys,

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Speaker 1: she she is shed shed the moderate skin, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: in the last few weeks I've seen. But I saw

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Speaker 1: that map in Virginia. My goodness, gracious man. I mean

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Speaker 1: that thing is Republicans are cooked. I mean they were

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Speaker 1: already cooked in Virginia, but at this point, I think

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Speaker 1: they're already They're even more cooked, well done cooked. I

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Speaker 1: guess you and I have talked about it sort of

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Speaker 1: like an arms race. Is any there are there any

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Speaker 1: districts left, whether it be Virginia, California, or anything like this,

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Speaker 1: that are gonna net more than a handful of House

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Speaker 1: seats for the Democrats or is this really just hit

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Speaker 1: for tat Well.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the whole redistricting fight goes back to even

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Speaker 6: twenty ten. Republicans want a lot of state legislative seats.

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Speaker 6: They saw an opportunity with the census that year to

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Speaker 6: redraw districts. And we've seen districts in states like Texas

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Speaker 6: and North Carolina and even Ohio that look absolutely insane.

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Speaker 6: So the Virginia a situation of we're going to do

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Speaker 6: ten Democrats in one Republic. Obviously that's disproportional, we all

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Speaker 6: know that. But Frankly, most maps are disproportionate of how

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Speaker 6: those states vote. It proves the point what the Democrats

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Speaker 6: in Virginia smartly did was prove the point of maybe

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Speaker 6: we should all just kind of knock the whole thing

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Speaker 6: off and have actual fair districts, because part of why

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Speaker 6: people are so disillusioned with Washington is they feel no

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Speaker 6: connection with their representative because the representative it's not chosen

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Speaker 6: at the ballot box. The representative is chosen as say,

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Speaker 6: this group's meeting or that group's meeting. And it just

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Speaker 6: it proves the point of how ridiculous these redistricting fights

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Speaker 6: have become.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just it really has just become

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Speaker 1: a tit for tat and I know that I just

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Speaker 1: don't know. You look at American history nowadays and you

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Speaker 1: just you ask yourself, and I'm not just talking about

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Speaker 1: state house, but you know, Congress, et cetera. Has there

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Speaker 1: ever been a lower point for the representative branch of government,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, whether it be in the state houses

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Speaker 1: or in Congress. We live in an era of like

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Speaker 1: the executive order and all these things. Because people can't

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Speaker 1: get things done, they're redistricting to save their own butts

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Speaker 1: and keep their maps and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: You just ask yourself, what are you doing for your constituents?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and precisely.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing is on the question of executive power.

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Speaker 6: We have a major decision coming from the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 6: maybe the spring, who knows, maybe in June about the tariffs.

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Speaker 6: Because executive power land, as I call it, when the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court delves into it, it's kind of it's sort

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Speaker 6: of defined but not super well defined by Article two.

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Speaker 6: And as Anti Pelosi always says, Article one is the

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Speaker 6: legislative branch, and the legislative branch for so long has

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Speaker 6: seated so much power to the executive. And I just

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Speaker 6: I'm remiss to think that the Founders would be okay

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Speaker 6: with that.

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Speaker 1: No, they'd be melting down and doing three sixties in

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Speaker 1: their great I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, yeah, I think Ben Franklin would make January sixth

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Speaker 6: look like a cheap part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just but you have to I used to

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Speaker 1: be that way Patrick, where I would go nuts about Bushes,

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Speaker 1: executive orders, Obama's executive orders, Trump's exec But you stop

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Speaker 1: and think about it, It's like, Okay, Well, presidents are

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Speaker 1: elected with mandates, and when you have a Congress that

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Speaker 1: that can't listen, whether it's either side to any mandate whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, what what do you expect? You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? I guess how do you further your

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Speaker 1: administration's agenda or even further the demands so to speak,

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Speaker 1: of the American people without just executive ordering everything.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, it's just like during the late Obama administration

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Speaker 6: he said I have a phone in the Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Trump.

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Speaker 6: Part one sort of tried to do is that they

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Speaker 6: didn't have the best operators in place at the time.

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Speaker 6: And part two, they are doing it. They are doing

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Speaker 6: what they said they wanted to do when they ran

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Speaker 6: the campaign. And again it goes back to my earlier point.

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Speaker 6: They have overreached in terms of public opinion and why

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Speaker 6: poll numbers have That's why his poll numbers are starting

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Speaker 6: to create.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think a neglect of what got them here,

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Speaker 1: which is you were elected to handle social, domestic stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, stuff that's meant to be

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Speaker 1: happening in the United States, the economy, all that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. And we love that you're ending wars everywhere,

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Speaker 1: but that we don't care. It has no effect on

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Speaker 1: my checking account unless it's gas prices with the war

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine and all that kind of stuff. But I

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Speaker 1: guess my question is go ahead, sorry.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, and sorry if I might add the bit about

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Speaker 6: being able to afford things. It goes to more than

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Speaker 6: just the line at the grocery store and the line

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Speaker 6: at the gas station. It goes to the fact that

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Speaker 6: the middle class has had he's been taking body slams,

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Speaker 6: oh my god, probably ten or fifteen years, the cost

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Speaker 6: of education, health care, everything in general, but great mortgages.

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Speaker 6: Wage growth has not outpaced that. The people are working

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Speaker 6: the same same number of hours, in fact more in

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Speaker 6: many cases, they're bringing home the same paychecks, but at

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Speaker 6: the end of the month there's less and less to

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Speaker 6: deal with, less and less to maybe say back. So

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Speaker 6: that's why there's a lot of middle class pain. And

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Speaker 6: I think the party that is able to tap into

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Speaker 6: that and effectively organize around it and start to get

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Speaker 6: things done in terms of making people's lives more affordable,

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Speaker 6: that's a party that's going to win.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I think, I mean, we know that

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Speaker 1: the Republican money dwarfs the Democrats money, and that's the

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Speaker 1: thing that's been frustrating for Republicans. Patrick is, this is

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Speaker 1: the guy who invented tapping into that frustration, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, this is the guy who really

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Speaker 1: mainlined tapping into middle class frustration.

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Speaker 6: And he's just no one knows, no one knows how

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Speaker 6: to tap into rage better than Donald Trump, that kind

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Speaker 6: of knows how to keep the media talking about him

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Speaker 6: twenty four seven. It's why, for instance, in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 6: Romney was terrified that Trump would actually run for president. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: because he knew he could not compete in terms of

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Speaker 6: media attention and channeling rage better than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, And I don't think anybody does it

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Speaker 1: like he does. But let me let's transition a little

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Speaker 1: bit to twenty eight the presidential election called. You know,

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Speaker 1: presumably it'll be on the Republican side. Jd vance Er,

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Speaker 1: little Marco with AOC. I just I can't. I can't

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Speaker 1: take her seriously. I just can't. I take her less

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Speaker 1: seriously than I took Kamala Harris. I get that she's

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Speaker 1: a hell of a fundraiser. I actually think she's a

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Speaker 1: great politician, more so than Kamala Harris. I think the

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Speaker 1: American people are going to have a lot of trouble

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Speaker 1: with her either A being the president or B being

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Speaker 1: a heartbeat away from the president. Is she auditioning for

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Speaker 1: a VP spot or you think she legit.

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Speaker 6: I think she's going to run. At the Munich Security Conference,

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Speaker 6: I watched part of her speech, and she is actually

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Speaker 6: starting to study up on foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: You're just slamming her for Kamala Harris moment, where I

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Speaker 1: don't think of I think that's been extremely exaggerated, you

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Speaker 1: know what. I think she gave it actually a legitimate answer, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, right, So I would kind of equate it to this.

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Speaker 6: And as you know, as most of the listeners know,

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Speaker 6: I used to be a Republican, and I remember in

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Speaker 6: twenty fifteen a lot of Republicans laughed at the idea

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Speaker 6: of Trump becoming the Republican candidate and potentially winning the presidency.

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Speaker 6: They thought, oh, it'll be jeb or Marco or Case

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Speaker 6: or one of those more establishment Republicans. And sometimes I

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Speaker 6: see a little bit of that on the Democratic side

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Speaker 6: since I switched four years ago. Of oh, AOC, she

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Speaker 6: can't put she cannot possibly do it. But AOC and

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Speaker 6: Trump are kind of similar in that they both know

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Speaker 6: how to communicate in a way that if you love

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Speaker 6: either of them, you will love them more, and if

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Speaker 6: you dislike either of them, you will dislike either of

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Speaker 6: them more. And when I mentioned the potential of an

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Speaker 6: AOC candidacy to my friends on the Democratic side, the

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Speaker 6: ones that are highly involved, the ones that are running

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Speaker 6: the campaigns, they're quite skeptical. But the ones that are

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Speaker 6: voting but are not potent maybe as involved, they get excited.

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Speaker 1: Patrick, that sounds really familiar.

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Speaker 6: I saw that same dynamic. Yeah, you and I both

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Speaker 6: saw that same dynamic on the Republican side. So I

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Speaker 6: think that it's sort of the Jeb Bush Republicans had

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Speaker 6: no plan for when Trump just barnstormed in in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 6: And I think if AOC were to run in twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty eight, there are a lot of establishment Democrats that

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Speaker 6: have no plan because it would be sort of as

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Speaker 6: it would sort of be almost like a hostile takeover

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Speaker 6: of the Democratic Party generationally, communication style everything. If she runs,

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Speaker 6: she will light the place on fire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that Bernie Sanders is starting

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Speaker 1: to realize that his time has probably past, and he

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Speaker 1: has a massive, massive following that I'm sure he's willing

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Speaker 1: to just hand right over.

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Speaker 6: And let's not forget Bernie came very close to.

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Speaker 1: Bernie got host. I mean, let's just call it what

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Speaker 1: it is. I mean, the DNC put their thumb on

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Speaker 1: the scale for that for Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 6: I mean, all those favorable coint tosses in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me ask you this, Patrick, And

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Speaker 1: it's off script, and we only got a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 1: but I'll are there is there a sense among Democrats

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Speaker 1: just generally, given the Kamala Harris thing, given the Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden thing with switching to South Carolina, given the Hillary

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Speaker 1: and Bernie thing, did your average if I thought of

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Speaker 1: myself as a Democrat prime voter, what's the point the

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Speaker 1: party is going to choose the candidate for you anyway?

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Speaker 1: I mean, is there ever a feeling of what are

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Speaker 1: we doing here among just primary voters?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that that dynamic. It's predetermined, So why

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Speaker 6: should I do anything? That's kind of what motivates people

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Speaker 6: to potentially vote for an AOC or another anti establishment

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Speaker 6: candidate that jumps in the race, because people do want

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Speaker 6: to have skin in the game. People want to feel

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Speaker 6: that when they go in the ballot box or if

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Speaker 6: they open up their mail and get their absentee ballot,

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Speaker 6: that what they are doing actually has an impact, and

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Speaker 6: when they don't feel that, they're going to vote for

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Speaker 6: candidates that they respond to. And that's why I say,

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Speaker 6: if she runs, she's going to go a lot farther

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Speaker 6: than most people are giving her credit for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. All right, we got thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Is there any truth to this thing going around Twitter

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Speaker 1: that it's going to be a Kamala AOC ticket?

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Speaker 6: But answer, I'm not exactly at that that. I don't

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Speaker 6: exactly think I would bettle on that one.

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Speaker 1: All right, Is Josh Shapiro on the ticket at all?

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you that I wish you would be.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you fantastic. Yeah, yeah, he is an impressive guy.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Reagan unfortunately running out of time, My friend, thanks

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Speaker 1: as always. Hollered you next week probably if you're available,

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Speaker 1: You've got my number. All right, brother, take it easy,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Reagan, everybody our resident Democrat. We go off and

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Speaker 1: we fly out of our lane. And there's a reason

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Speaker 1: I have him towards the end, and it's because he

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Speaker 1: says things to me that land and I have to

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Speaker 1: rethink stuff that I had just spent the entire show saying,

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Speaker 1: but but to what he said at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: this stuff, don't be afraid to engage in debates with

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Speaker 1: people that don't think like you, because you'll learn something,

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Speaker 1: and you'll you'll make your arguments even sharper, and if

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Speaker 1: they're just completely insane, you'll at least get some laughs

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Speaker 1: out of it, as you otherwise would not have had. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's it for me, folks. I will talk at you

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Speaker 1: next week, same time, same place. Big ups to Danny

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Speaker 1: Gleeson for keeping me in my lane, especially this last half.

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