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Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a Mexican idiot?

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go on this very interesting Thursday morning.

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Speaker 2: We got lots of go on, a lot of moving

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Speaker 2: parts today. First and foremost, of course, what's happening in

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Speaker 2: Of course, the ice agent shooting a thirty seven year

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Speaker 2: really transpired. Of course we want know that for some time.

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Speaker 2: But the rush to judgment on this whole thing by

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Speaker 2: both the left and the right has been incredible. Getting

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Speaker 2: too this more after nine thirty five here on the

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Speaker 2: Scotsland Show on seven hundred WLW, I wanted to circle

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Speaker 2: back though, kind of handle some old business here, something

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Speaker 2: that happened over the holidays. And typically that's the way

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Speaker 2: things are set up. When you want to do something

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Speaker 2: you tend to do it like on a Friday, a weekend.

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Speaker 2: You do it when many people aren't paying attention. I

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Speaker 2: would say doing it a Friday when it's the holidays

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Speaker 2: is not going to as much attention as it should.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking, of course, about what happened to the CBD

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Speaker 2: infused beverage ban that Mike de Wine single Bagley took

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Speaker 2: his line out of Veto powers and killed an entire industry.

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Speaker 2: And this, of course, are beverages that are sold or

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Speaker 2: sold anywhein Ohio that contained THC small amounts of it too,

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Speaker 2: derived of course from CBD, and a lot of people said, hey,

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Speaker 2: it was, yes, a loophole, but a whole industry started

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Speaker 2: in what used to be the craft brew industry, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of puerveyors were switching over and saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: there's a market for this product here. People clearly like it.

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Speaker 2: They want more of it, they demanded. And yet the governor,

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Speaker 2: in some sort of I don't know what, self righteousness

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Speaker 2: this whole thing. Joining the show this morning on seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW is the CEO of Ryan Geisberg right here

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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, Adam Bankovic, Adam, good morning, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've talked about a lot this with Steve Hoffman.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you know Steve as well, and talk to

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Speaker 2: other industry leaders like yourself, Adam, and as far as

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Speaker 2: you're concern from Ryan Guis's perspective here, because you guys

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Speaker 2: are first and foremost the biggest pure veyors of micro

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Speaker 2: brief you want to call the micro brew at this point,

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Speaker 2: it's probably not the missing seeming how you've grown over

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Speaker 2: the last few years that that's entirely accurate. But how

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Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely happy to talk about that. I would very

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Speaker 3: much still classify as the craft brew or the Brew's

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Speaker 3: Association definition put this squarely in there. In the craft

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Speaker 3: beer industry, while it's grown rapidly over the past few years,

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Speaker 3: to your point, has started to slow and cool off dramatically.

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Speaker 3: Specifically within the state of Ohio. For the past year,

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Speaker 3: seen the climb in the craft beer industry. So, as

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Speaker 3: Ryan Geist, among many other crap breweries in the state

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Speaker 3: we've got lots of consumers in the marketplace that are

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Speaker 3: not only do those consumers want those, but crap breweries

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Speaker 3: that we're huge advocates for that there is smart, responsible

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Speaker 3: to make sure that we're clearly communicating to customers what

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Speaker 3: promoting all of that, which is what the Ohio General

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Speaker 3: a very great job with SB fifty six creating clear,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know there are some other craft brewers

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Speaker 2: a lot of people that enjoy the THHC slash CBD

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Speaker 2: towards that. Why not satisfy that sector because that's just true.

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Speaker 3: Room, Yeah, the thing I'd like to point out there

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Speaker 3: really it's the prevalence of choice that the younger generation,

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Speaker 3: the benefits, we are not advertising or marketing these as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and it makes a lot of sense, and

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Speaker 2: it's seemingly grossly unfair to yourself and other peer veyors, Adam,

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Speaker 3: You know, we're still looking for it. And to be clear,

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Speaker 3: we do respect the governor's role and what we're advocating

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Speaker 3: for here is clarity and consistency going forward. And we

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Speaker 3: and so we're still to your point when we open

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Speaker 3: not only will intoxicating hemp no longer be allowed which

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Speaker 3: So really, what Ohio, in my opinion, should be doing

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Speaker 3: in SB fifty six there was also a consideration acknowledging

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we want no one suggesting that companies

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Speaker 2: like yourself say there's no regulation. Of course, there should

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Speaker 2: be regulation. Health health departments oversee you. There's you know,

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Speaker 2: get that, But to simply strike it and say we're

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Speaker 2: is the wine getting lobby money from big alcohol? Well probably,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because it's you know, if people aren't

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Speaker 2: their alternatives out there. You mentioned non alcoholics Adam Bankovich

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Speaker 2: from ryan Geist that you know, that's another big sector

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Speaker 2: right there. Mocktails are huge right now. Nan alcohol beers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as upset as I am, and even you more

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to see those investments simply

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Speaker 3: But you're also right that we've spent a long time

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Speaker 2: How much you on your list as a CEO, your

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Speaker 3: Very high, very hid. It took us. We spent two

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Speaker 3: Ohio was disappointing. So you're right, there's lots of things

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Speaker 2: Well, this is something I strongly advocate for, Adam, and

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Speaker 2: All the best. Anam Binkovic, CEO at RANG guys here

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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, you know want you want people not to

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the very latest. What's going on in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: it's not murder if you're a Swan law enforcement officer.

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Speaker 2: And so the after the video came out, we had

433
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Speaker 2: these parallel rushes to judgment and everyone's just sting and

434
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: we still don't know the entire story, right. But my

435
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 2: perspective on this is what does this say? What does

436
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Speaker 2: it say about us here in Cincinnati. I can't speak

437
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Speaker 2: for what's happening in Minnesota. I can talk about the

438
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Speaker 2: fields here in Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana. And what troubles

439
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Speaker 2: me about this whole thing is not the shooting itself.

440
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Speaker 2: We'll get into that a minute. Is So this story

441
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Speaker 2: is an entirely different time zone. It's in Minnesota and

442
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 2: we're paying attention to it. But right now in Cincinnati,

443
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: as far as social media goes trends, people talking, this

444
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: is a bigger issue, a bigger story then the murder

445
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Speaker 2: of Quinnary Reid in Laurel Playground, the eleven year old

446
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 2: girl who was shot to death on New Year's Day?

447
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: And what does that say about us? Wait, wait a minute,

448
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: here's something that we haven't can have an impact on

449
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: because it's local government. It's local and it's it's fair

450
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: to ask, hey, where the cameras, what happened to the money?

451
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Speaker 2: And I did all that yesterday's show and been doing

452
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Speaker 2: that all week. What where's the accountability here? And hold

453
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Speaker 2: them to a standard. But even that topic is like, yeah, okay, yeah,

454
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: ke eleven year old kids shot. Mean, it's it's sad,

455
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 2: it's horrible. But because this involves conservatives and progressives, this

456
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 2: thing is just escalate. It's all anybody's talking about. And

457
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: that is you know, well, we can certainly second guess

458
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Speaker 2: our administration, we can certainly guess our elected officials. We

459
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Speaker 2: should hold them accountable for things, whether you agree or disagree.

460
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Speaker 2: But what does that say about us is as consumers

461
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: of the news that were more people are more worked

462
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Speaker 2: up about this than what happened on New Year's Day.

463
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Speaker 2: I think that's a reflection on all of us, all

464
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Speaker 2: of us, me, you, everybody. Relative to what's going on Minnesota,

465
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Speaker 2: our good old friend who died a long time ago,

466
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Speaker 2: common sense would come in early handy here, look, protest

467
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Speaker 2: all you want, okay, And I'm watching live shots now

468
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Speaker 2: on Fox and CNN of law enforcement and protesters clashing

469
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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. It's a bunch of armed uniform military looking

470
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Speaker 2: agents that are standing in front of people and trying

471
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Speaker 2: to balk in the street somewhat here. I don't see,

472
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Speaker 2: you know, punches being thrown. There's some pepper spray. I

473
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Speaker 2: think some chemical hrants going on for those across the line.

474
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Speaker 2: But by and large it's a peaceful demonstration. People protesting

475
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Speaker 2: with the f the police signs and all that. And

476
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: guess what, bring your bullhorns, bring your signs, yell be mad,

477
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 2: absolutely on thousand percent this and we should you know,

478
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Speaker 2: enforcing the border was a mandate by voters that helps

479
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Speaker 2: sweep Trump in no office. We need to know who's

480
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Speaker 2: coming here, we need to know why. I for a

481
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Speaker 2: long time thought building a wall. It is kind of

482
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Speaker 2: stupid unless it's around a major urban area to try

483
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Speaker 2: and block them off. Sure, but in the middle of nowhere,

484
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Speaker 2: a different story, But it doesn't mean you are against

485
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Speaker 2: enforcing our borders. We need to know who's coming in

486
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Speaker 2: this country. We need to separate the criminals from everyone else.

487
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Speaker 2: That's a lot different than snatching people off the streets

488
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Speaker 2: in the aisles of home depot. Based on how you look,

489
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Speaker 2: that for many is a bridge too far. And if

490
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Speaker 2: that upsets you, we should be protesting that.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: If you agree with it, then maybe you want to

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Speaker 2: protest and support them for that too. Yeah, when you

494
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Speaker 2: have people who came here as children and our teens

495
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Speaker 2: are adults, they they don't deserve that kind of treatment.

496
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Speaker 2: That's what upsetting me. It's a fundamental American right. But

497
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Speaker 2: when you have an armed identifiable agent or a police

498
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Speaker 2: officer or a sheriff's deputy issuing a command saying hey, stop,

499
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Speaker 2: I need to talk to you, roll your window down,

500
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Speaker 2: you stop and up until well, at least points you

501
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Speaker 2: hear this. Countless cases where well they got shot because

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Speaker 2: they're black. Right back to well Minnesota again, Rodney King

503
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Speaker 2: and others because they're black. Well, okay, you know we've

504
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Speaker 2: had the we had this shooting white woman, we had

505
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Speaker 2: the shooting of figures for some of the lender, the

506
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Speaker 2: lender guy, you know, Carl Linder's offspring who was shot.

507
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Speaker 2: We had shootings in Boone County. We have all so

508
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Speaker 2: you know the narrative about well it's because well it's

509
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Speaker 2: not because they're black. It's because they're doing something they

510
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing. And it doesn't matter if you think

511
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Speaker 2: you're right. Hell, it doesn't matter if a judge says

512
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Speaker 2: you're completely right, that doesn't matter at that moment in time.

513
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Speaker 2: And you may be right, but you fight that in

514
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Speaker 2: court alive, with an attorney or someone representing you. You

515
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: certainly don't when someone ann officer and a market officer says, hey,

516
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Speaker 2: I got to talk to you. Stop what you're doing.

517
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: That is not the time to accelerate your vehicle. And

518
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Speaker 2: here's the memo to progressives on this. The self absorption

519
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Speaker 2: and the righteous indignation can get you killed. And it's

520
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Speaker 2: not just progresses. If you think that way, that you

521
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: can do whatever you want with impunity. And we see

522
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Speaker 2: countless cases where people act the fool because they have

523
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Speaker 2: I know my rights. You know, when when an officer's

524
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Speaker 2: you disobey a lawful command and you're blocking the street,

525
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say, you get what's coming to you,

526
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Speaker 2: but you open the door for that to occur. You

527
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Speaker 2: have a hand in this. You're not completely innocent. And

528
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Speaker 2: do we live in an age where everyone thinks that

529
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Speaker 2: they are their own entity, they're their own island. No

530
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Speaker 2: one can touch me, no one can disrespect me, or

531
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Speaker 2: regardless of what authority or the authority you don't you

532
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: know you can. You can't do what you want to

533
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: you gotta. I can disrespect you, but you can't disrespect me.

534
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: That's simply the culture in America today. Or you think

535
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Speaker 2: you can do what you want with impunity, and you

536
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: clearly you can. And if you're i know, a mega

537
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Speaker 2: conservative for example, and you're not in your head going amen, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well guess what this also applied to Ashley Babbitt, didn't it?

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Speaker 6: Wait?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's different. It's not different. You're in the

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Speaker 2: United States Capitol on J six and there's a bunch

544
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Speaker 2: of people trying to break down a door, or on

545
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Speaker 2: the other side, are a handful against a big angry mob.

546
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Speaker 2: By the way, a handful of law enforcement officers. Whether

547
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Speaker 2: they're capital to police or ice agents, it doesn't matter.

548
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: They're law and force for on law enforcement officers, and

549
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear they have their weapons out. You smash

550
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: through the window and you look through and say, hey,

551
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: there's a guy with a gun pointing it at me.

552
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to jump through this window. What the hell

553
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: do you think was gonna happen? So this isn't about

554
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: conservative ideology progressive ideo. This is about damn common sense

555
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: is what this is. When the man has a gun

556
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Speaker 2: and he's uniformed and he says, hey, I need to

557
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: talk to you, stop, that's the time to take your

558
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Speaker 2: foot off the gas. Protest all you want. There's a

559
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Speaker 2: lot of things we should be protesting. There's this question

560
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: about it. Things are off the rails. But the idea

561
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Speaker 2: here is that, you know, now, people have already made

562
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Speaker 2: their minds up based on five seconds of video, and

563
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: that's where we are right now. We've completely lost any

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Speaker 2: context or common sense whatsoever. Your thoughts A five point

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Speaker 2: three seven four nine, seven thousand and eight The Big

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Speaker 2: One on talkback iHeartRadio app also coming up at ten

567
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Speaker 2: oh seven this morning, will continue the topic. Dan Hills

568
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: is here, of course, you know him as the longtime

569
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Speaker 2: head of the sinci FOP, who is now the head

570
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Speaker 2: of president of Frontline advise. They advise local jurisdictions on

571
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Speaker 2: while things like this, for example, a lot of what

572
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Speaker 2: we'll call what is kind of spin control, if you

573
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Speaker 2: need call it that, and just advise them on how

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Speaker 2: to handle things because if you're a small jurisdiction and

575
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Speaker 2: you get jammed up with what's going on Minnesota, you

576
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 2: kind of need some guidance on that. That's what they do.

577
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: Not to be labor that point, but this is a

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Speaker 2: guy who is an expert in use of force, and

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to know what his analysis is of what

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Speaker 2: he saw in Minnesota. That's coming up at two ten

581
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Speaker 2: of six in the meantime to Xenia and Jeff on

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Speaker 2: the Scott Slung Show Morning, how are you and Scott?

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Speaker 4: All good logical points there, But you know you're talking

584
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Speaker 4: too much common sense yourself, right right.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: The thing is is if you if you watch YouTube,

587
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 4: there's plenty of videos out there too about people. You know, hey,

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Speaker 4: if you get pulled over by the cops, this is

589
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Speaker 4: what you can and cannot do. You know, don't open

590
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Speaker 4: your windows, don't do this, show them your license through

591
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Speaker 4: the window, and this and that and as you just stated.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you put yourself in the position that

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Speaker 4: you can possibly be determined to be a threat to somebody,

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Speaker 4: that's all it is. That's all it comes down to.

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Speaker 4: And the cops aren't gonna hesitate because they don't know

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Speaker 4: whether you might be some psychotic, they don't know what

597
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Speaker 4: you might be a normal human being. But if you

598
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Speaker 4: put yourself in that position, be ready for the consequences.

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Speaker 4: And people just don't seem to think that, you know

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Speaker 4: that they they are impunity, they have impunity, and they

601
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Speaker 4: don't it doesn't matter what they do that they're they're

602
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Speaker 4: gonna be okay with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's putting yourself in that situation. It's just

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Speaker 2: it's the righteous indignation culture that you think you know

605
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Speaker 2: without question and what I believe is the absolute, unmigated truth.

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Speaker 2: And you have no right to tell me what to do. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know why you think that way

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Speaker 2: or think it doesn't apply to you, but it does.

609
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Speaker 2: And again, you can be one hundred percent of the right.

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Speaker 2: That's up to a judge and a jury to decide

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Speaker 2: at a later date if you're in the right or

612
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Speaker 2: the wrong. But you know, you need to be alive

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Speaker 2: to fight for that too. You know. It's the thing

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Speaker 2: that somehow I'm this, you know, I'm gonna I know

615
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Speaker 2: this woman was thinking being the savior to the community. Okay, good.

616
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Speaker 2: You can empathize with them for sure, and advocate for them,

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Speaker 2: as I think she was. But you know, when when

618
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Speaker 2: there's a simple command to stop and you don't do that,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything at that point. Just stop what

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Speaker 2: you're doing. It's not a black, white male, female gay

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Speaker 2: straight issue applies to everybody exactly.

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Speaker 4: I had an instance where I'd go down and help

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Speaker 4: a friend because he'd gotten pulled over. And I go

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Speaker 4: down there and the cop said, hey, who are you?

625
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Speaker 4: And I said, well, you guys called me to come

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Speaker 4: down here.

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Speaker 2: Says you got any ID on you?

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Speaker 4: Right, and I gave it to him and the cops

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Speaker 4: the other one said run it, you know, and I'm

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Speaker 4: staying and they're looking at this guy said, wait a minute,

631
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Speaker 4: I came down here to take this guy's car because

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Speaker 4: you basically nabbed him for a duy or whatever, and

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Speaker 4: you and you said run it, and right that second,

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm slaying big time. But I didn't say

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Speaker 4: anything because I know, I know that. If I want

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Speaker 4: to do anything about it, well, I go talk to

637
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Speaker 4: the supervisor, I go do something like that. But the

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Speaker 4: fact that that basically that they do that, you know,

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Speaker 4: to somebody, has nothing to do with it. It basically

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Speaker 4: had basically coming down here to help a friend. But

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Speaker 4: they figure birds of a feather is what they're looking at.

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00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 4: I understand that too. I understand that too. But you know,

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Speaker 4: that's simple interest. I could have I could have gone

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Speaker 4: nuts on him, but I didn't, you know, and got

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Speaker 4: a hand.

646
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Speaker 2: I also get maybe this woman panicked too. There's an

647
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: element there as well, like I wait a minute, all

648
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this got real. And but but again,

649
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: you have to you have to have that situational awareness

650
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: of going, okay, I probably should stop this vehicle. And I,

651
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know why you would pull forward

652
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: if someone is standing you wouldn't do that. If a

653
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: kid or maybe one of the people in the community

654
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: were there who you're trying to help, were standing in

655
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: front of you'd probably give them, hey, get out of

656
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: the way thing. But instead decided to stay hit the gas.

657
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: And now it's a fatal and it's you know, it's

658
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: an ever evolving. So, but there's a there's a consistency

659
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: here to this whole thing, and that is it's not

660
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you look like. And that's what

661
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: I hated about the whole narrative the first time we

662
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: did this in Minnesota. It's about your actions, about what

663
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: you're doing when it evolves a officer involved stop. And

664
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Speaker 2: I'll ask Dan about this. Come up, Dan Hills. I

665
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: think it bears okay. So if you're a I don't know,

666
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: you're since a police offer you haml Kant, a sheriff's deputy,

667
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: you're trained in tactics when it comes to traffic. These

668
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: are immigration agents, you know. Did they get the same

669
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: level of a training as a beat cop and how

670
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: to handle the situation like that? Because we talked about

671
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: you look at it, go wow, that's kind of bad

672
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: tactically that you're standing in front of a vehicle that's running. Okay,

673
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: But were these guys have been trained for things like this?

674
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: And I think that's something else that's missed here too

675
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: in this effort to Villa and I, every single ICE

676
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: agent that's out there and lined up is man, what

677
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: are you doing? Why are you doing this?

678
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 4: Well?

679
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: Because you swore an oath. Okay, now it doesn't allow

680
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: you to break the law. You know, you're allowed to

681
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: refuse legal orders. And look at the whole Clark thing, right,

682
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: and you're taught that, But that seemed to be a

683
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: reasonable order. Border patrols GA like, Okay, we're gonna stop,

684
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: and this person's blocking traffic and we're trying to do

685
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: our jobs. And now I got to find out why

686
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: she's doing this, and hold on, stop, I gotta talk

687
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: to you. You know, it's not like these guys, I

688
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: think almost all of them, if not every one of them,

689
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: Like you know, I just I want the paycheck and

690
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: the job, and I don't make the policies. I go

691
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: where I'm told. I mean, we all have jobs, we

692
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: all report to someone. You go where you're kicked. That's true.

693
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: Whether you're a radio talk show host, whether you work

694
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: in a fifth third bank, whether you're I work at

695
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: a grocery store, or whether you're an ice agent or

696
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: police officer. Their orders. You may have disagree with them,

697
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: but you got to pair amount. It's kind of like

698
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: in the back of the day when I'm obviously I

699
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: was in a on for this, but you know, the

700
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: stories about soldiers coming back from Vietnam and people attacking them.

701
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: What they're just fronding commands. It's like you're a baby killer.

702
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: You're I didn't sign up for this. You want to

703
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: be mad, be mad at Kennedy, be mad at LBJ,

704
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 2: be mad at Nixon. I'm just I'm just a pawn.

705
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: Five and three seven four nine, seven eight hundred, the

706
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: Big One to Bridget and Peebles this morning, how are you?

707
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 8: I am good?

708
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Speaker 5: And I just want to say I'm a longtime listener

709
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 5: of yours and first time caller, and I couldn't agree

710
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 5: with you more. I just don't understand what people are

711
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 5: thinking anymore. I mean, they just think they can do

712
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 5: whatever they want, and it really makes you not want

713
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 5: to go out in public. I mean, at least for me,

714
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 5: I don't want to go down to Cincinnati and you know,

715
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 5: get confronted by someone, and I'm just I don't understand it.

716
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm glad I live more out in a

717
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 8: rural area that we don't have to put up with

718
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 8: that as much. But I feel like I was looking

719
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 8: at social media today Facebook and I felt like there

720
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 8: was a post from Channel nine News about the girl

721
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 8: and I've seen it, and I just can't believe that

722
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 8: there's not more outrage about this.

723
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: I mean, people comment about snow and weather in Cincinnati

724
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 5: more than they have commented.

725
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: About this, I think, And let me matter reject a second,

726
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 2: Bridget And you know, I kind of understand. What I

727
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: did is that you're one hundred percent right about that

728
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: is what does that say about us? And that's me,

729
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: it's you, it's everybody listening that we're more polarized and upset.

730
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: And look how quickly people jump to one side or

731
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: the other, and there's no room for going well, okay,

732
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: the facts aren't in all the way yet on what's

733
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: right or wrong. But you have the left and the other.

734
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: You have conservatives, you have progressives, and they're entrenched to write.

735
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look, within seconds of the story breaking, and

736
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: everyone in since in the air area is talking about

737
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: this story more than what happened on New Year's Day

738
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: with that eleven year old girl in the park, and

739
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: that's a reflection on us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't understand it. I told everybody I made

741
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 5: a comment, and I usually don't. I usually just kind

742
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 5: of creep on social media, but I just said, everybody

743
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 5: needs to go back and listen to your interview with

744
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 5: the city council lady, and there was just no answer.

745
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 8: I mean, I understand she's looking forward and she's.

746
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 9: Trying to get she doesn't have answers.

747
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 5: The right Yeah, I mean it was I felt like

748
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 5: people need to go and listen to that interview, and

749
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 5: they really need to, you know, I don't know. I'm

750
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 5: like I said, I'm glad I live in Peeble's, Ohio.

751
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 10: Small community, great community.

752
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 9: So I work where I work.

753
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 8: They have their Christmas parties down in Cincinnati.

754
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: Didn't go this year.

755
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: Not going.

756
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not good because they need the business down there.

757
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: I I me and myself, I'm not you know, I'm

758
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: not too worried about it. I mean, you know, situational awareness,

759
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: right right time of day, right places you could I mean, sadly,

760
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: as you know, you could wind up getting jammed up

761
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: in something people's tomorrow. You just don't know. But I

762
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: think it's reflective our society that. I mean, we just

763
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: had a story here where a woman had a Maga

764
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: Girl license plate, Maga Girl license plates, and someone shot

765
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: at her. You know, I think that's two ways. Is

766
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 2: number one, is I wouldn't put anything political on my vehicle,

767
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: on my Bristol vehicle, how vanity plates anything like that.

768
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: People are crazy, but we're just so entrenched in political

769
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: ideology and this is just another example of it. Hey, Bridge,

770
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: thanks for listening. I appreciate you. Have a great day.

771
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: You thanks all the best. Got to get a news

772
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: update and we'll continue the topic here with what's going

773
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: on in Minnesota. Get some new eyes on it from

774
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: Dan Hills, of course, long time CPD officer, Sergeant Dan

775
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: formerly head of the FOP for a long time and

776
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: now involved with a group of frontline advisor advice police agencies.

777
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: I didn't get his eyes on this and see what

778
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: he saw tactically, get an officer's response to what's going on.

779
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: We'll chop all this up with Dan right after a

780
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: news update and that's happening in about three minutes here

781
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: latest in Minnesota, but Cincinnati as well. We got you covered.

782
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: Scott'slan continues afterwards on seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. Don't want

783
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: to be in American It saw me back on seven

784
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Speaker 2: hundred WLW. The big story today, as we've been talking about,

785
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: of course, is the UH just a horrific story coming

786
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: out of Minnesota today, ice agents shooting a thirty seven

787
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: year old single mom. I guess who intentionally blocked a

788
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: group of officers And now to date there's been only

789
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: seven officer involved shootings, two of them fatal, involving ice

790
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: and citizens. So in this five second sequence we've all

791
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: seen over and over that was filmed a fairly short

792
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: distance away. Here's someone yell hey, presumably an agent. Agent

793
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: walks up, tries to open the driver's side door, driver accelerates,

794
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: second agent standing near the front of the vehicle, and

795
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: as she tries to accelerate to leave, albeit slowly because

796
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: the roads are pretty icy, it looks like the deadly

797
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: shot is fired through the driver's side window from the

798
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: front so the suv and then speeds forwards because at

799
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: that point, presumably miss Good is either critical or dead,

800
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: and the vehicle speeds for of strikes of park car

801
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: short distance away, and that was not survivable. It's a

802
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: horrible instance. We've seen this play out time and time again,

803
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: and on that because he is he's seen it first hand.

804
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: The use of force expert, former FOP president now President

805
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: of Frontline Advisors is Dan Hills.

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00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 10: Dan Welcome it's funny, good morning to you on this

807
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 10: brisk winter morning. Yeah, I'm surprise you're here in town,

808
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 10: not in Florida or somewhere. Yeah, I'm that's that's more Willie.

809
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 10: That's down there. I try to stay as far away

810
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 10: from there as I can for that. For that reason,

811
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 10: I will say this.

812
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Happy New Year, but it doesn't

813
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: fit because we've had a This has been a hell

814
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: of a start to twenty twenty stations, when we had

815
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: eleven year old girl murdered on New Year's Day at

816
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: a park, we had the invasion of Venezuela. All of

817
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: our teams in Cincinnata are oh for the new year,

818
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: and now this I demand a restart of twenty twenty six.

819
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 10: I'll second your motion.

820
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: It's been awful. So after the shooting, obviously you get

821
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: crowds gathering. They're gathering and protesting today. So far, I

822
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: don't see too much of violence here towards police, other

823
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: than maybe some snowballs. But you have federal agents appearing

824
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 2: to respond by releasing chemical irritans around the crowds right now,

825
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: and you know there's you look at this whole thing

826
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: and it's played out time and time again. Dan, there's

827
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 2: just no winners in this. You know, everyone's taking signes

828
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: and this as I've been talking about this morning, and

829
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: yet certainly the neighbors lose, the protesters lose, the cops lose,

830
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: the ice agents lose, the country loses.

831
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Speaker 10: This is it's just horrible, it is, you Know'slanny. I

832
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 10: appreciate you having me on, but you know I have

833
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 10: to go in and tell your audience than the ones

834
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 10: that you know this already, that I'm coming in pretty biased, right.

835
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 10: I represent h plolice officers and you know did for

836
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 10: years as the union president and still do with frontline advisors.

837
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 10: With all that said, I do want to speak to

838
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 10: a greater audience, one that one that doesn't necessarily see

839
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 10: everything in the same lens that that I do. And

840
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 10: you know, I do understand why people look at a

841
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 10: shooting like that involving the vehicle and say why and

842
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 10: and so for that part, I will say that, you know,

843
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 10: I don't like to see the tactical approach of anybody

844
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 10: being in front of a vehicle one that is you know,

845
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 10: obviously in drive. Right. With that said, though too, that

846
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 10: your bad tech approach does not remove you from the

847
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 10: right to defend when you defend yourself and defend yourself,

848
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 10: as the courts have laid out, and that is about

849
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 10: the perception at the time, the perception that you have

850
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 10: at the time, and that a reasonable auser would do

851
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 10: the same thing. It doesn't mean that every officer would

852
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 10: do the same thing. It means that a reasonable auser

853
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 10: would do the same thing.

854
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this has elements of uh not directed. But

855
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: but this is like Ray to Bow's rate Tensing Sam

856
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: to Bow's over in that occurrence, and you are on

857
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: the job then and you know, we well remember how

858
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: horrible that was. Is Officer Tensing is trying to stop

859
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: the BOS for a front flight violation, which then at

860
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: the time Joe Dieters now Supreme Court to set up

861
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: his BS to BS. It's it's a chicken bleep stops.

862
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: I think the words that he used, and we since

863
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: change that with front plate because I think he's right

864
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: in that regard too. I mean, it seems cheap, as

865
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 2: there's plenty of people with expensive cars, maybe at Kenwoock

866
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: Country Club for example, where they don't have front plates

867
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: because it's a you know, eighty thousand dollars car. They're

868
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: not the ones getting pulled over usually, But in that

869
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: regard not to get down a rabbit hole or get

870
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: out in the weeds on this thing, I look at

871
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: it and go, yeah, you know you're reaching in a

872
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: car to try and stop it, and he pulls off

873
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: and Tensing it no choice but to shoot. And we've

874
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: changed tactics since then. I guess the big question Dan

875
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: would be street cops know that, but our ice agents

876
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: trained as street.

877
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 10: Cops are, well, you you went down a rabbit hole.

878
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 10: I'm going to sit down there with you. I've talked

879
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 10: about I've talked about ten ten on the radio. I

880
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 10: have a very strong belief that ten Ting did not

881
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 10: decide to shoot to as Joeaters was putting down there

882
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 10: because he's a racist, or he wanted to kill, or

883
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 10: be because he wanted to save his wife. I thank

884
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 10: Tenking shot because of a muscle reflex. I think it

885
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 10: was an accidental shooting. And I'm went over that. There's

886
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 10: a fourth science experts out there and stuff that I'll

887
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 10: talk about the timing with that, the one that would

888
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 10: actually match this better.

889
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 6: Solony.

890
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 10: If you remember, I think the trial just happened last

891
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 10: year is in twenty twenty five. So not that long ago.

892
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 10: Is the blended township? Am I saying that? Right? Up

893
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 10: and up by Columbus the lady was a leisure or whatever.

894
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 10: That case and it went to a trial is very

895
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 10: similar to this. And that's another one where people saw

896
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 10: somebody out in front of a car, and I guess

897
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 10: again have the questions about that, And those are fair

898
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 10: questions because I do not believe those were good, strong

899
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 10: tactical approaches. But again, just because your technical approach isn't

900
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 10: the best, that doesn't stop you. As far as caseball

901
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 10: is considered, from the right to defend yourself, and when

902
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 10: you're holding a gun, and when you're already pointing a gun,

903
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 10: your natural order of reflex almost is then to use

904
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 10: that gun to defend yourself. And so again, the people

905
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 10: who are going to be question this, they're going to say, well,

906
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 10: why didn't he move out of the way? And you know,

907
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 10: could moving out of the way been a good answer?

908
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 10: It could have been? Could, but could was his reflex

909
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 10: is at that time something that would be reasonable? And

910
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 10: I think that's what we're going to end up finding them.

911
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 10: I hope to God it through a trial or whatever.

912
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 10: I hope this political divide doesn't create an officer being

913
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 10: charged for something that quite clearly was the self defense move.

914
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 10: One that we can argue about when we can talk

915
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 10: about tactics about and all that stuff. But as far

916
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 10: as could you ever see a jury beyond a reasonable

917
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 10: doubt saying that this person that you know want to

918
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 10: work that day with the intention of just killing somebody.

919
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: But that's a sad thing the case, Dan, that's a

920
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: sad narrative I think from you know, from aggressives, for example,

921
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: is that these guys are bloodthirsty and want to go

922
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: out there and shoot as many people. You know, you're sworn.

923
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: You took a sworn oath, right, And this is kind

924
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 2: of like the parallel to me and I mentioned earlier.

925
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: The parallel is like when soldiers came home from the

926
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: Vietnam War and they're spit on and cursed. They're you know,

927
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: they're they're they are under orders, they're in her command

928
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: to do that. Now, a lot we're drafted. You don't

929
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: have a draft in this case with police officers. You

930
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: do this voluntarily. But you know when you when you

931
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: joined the force, however many years ago or whatever's you

932
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: signed up for perhaps you know this, this wasn't seen

933
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: as something that's going to happen. You never know what's

934
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: going to happen tomorrow or the next minute on, and

935
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: so you're following commands. You're following orders. Now, whether they're

936
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: lawful orders or not, it seems like a lawful command

937
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: to go out whatever they're asking this woman to do.

938
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: The other reasonable side of this thing is is looking

939
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: at it going, well, you know, the idea that these

940
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: cops are out there to just hammer down on citizens

941
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: is silly in itself. No one's going to sign up

942
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: for that, and certainly it's not going to pass muster.

943
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: But the problem is at the top. If you disagree

944
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: with the policies and how they're being enforced, you have

945
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: every right to protest that. But when when an armed

946
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: agent tells you to stop what you're doing, roll your

947
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: window down, obey a command, that's not the time to

948
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: hit the accelerator.

949
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 10: It sure isn't. And that's what you know. I'm I

950
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 10: looked at the shooting, and like I said, I come

951
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 10: in knowing that and a lot of stuff and a

952
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 10: lot of history, and I believe in my heart of

953
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 10: heart that that that's not going to be prosecuted. Because

954
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 10: it is prosecuted, the alser to be found not guilty.

955
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 10: He has a right to defend himself. So just to

956
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 10: move beyond that for Minionian talk about the deeper politics

957
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 10: that's going on here and how dangerous it is that

958
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 10: you have a mayor and a governor, you know, wanting

959
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 10: to jump out ahead of this without even any time,

960
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 10: uh to to to really take a deep look at it,

961
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 10: and want to call this this this I think they've

962
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 10: even used the word murder or something of that sort.

963
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 10: And there they are setting the stage for something that

964
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 10: you know is approaching, you know, almost civil ar type

965
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 10: of of a reaction where you're you're splitting the right

966
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 10: and the left up there to the point where we

967
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 10: can't even have reasonable conversations.

968
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: We can't.

969
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 10: I come in, I come in with bias that I'm

970
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 10: I'm conservative, yes, and I am I am pro law enforcement,

971
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 10: and and of course I'm all for cost defendent themselves.

972
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 10: But I'll have a reasonable conversation with somebody about this.

973
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 10: I'm not going to come on screaming and using the

974
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 10: F bomb and all this stuff like this mayor did

975
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 10: we just were losing civil discourse, and that's questions.

976
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, on the right calling this this woman

977
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: a domestic terrorist, is that that's also insane. I mean,

978
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: it's probably a right. I mean, that's just that's just fair.

979
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: But but look at I was pointing this out earlier,

980
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: is that the instant this broke, we went into two

981
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: entirely different narratives on this before all the facts came out,

982
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: by the way, and we didn't know what the timeline was,

983
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: and we still don't know all the facts of this thing,

984
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: but politicians on both sides actively push their agenda. We

985
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: go to demerica, domestic terraces on the right, murders on

986
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: the left, and and we just it just we don't

987
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: even know the whole story. And as I pointed out,

988
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: and this comes back to you as a longtime CPD officer,

989
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: Dan Hills, what does it say about us here in Cincinnati.

990
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: I can't speak for Minnesota or any other state, but Ohio,

991
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: Kentucky and Indiana. What does it say about us here?

992
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: The biggest story of the week so far is this.

993
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: It's exploding all over the city. People are debating and

994
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 2: discussing it. Something that happened in a different time zone,

995
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: is bigger than the issue. When we talk about justice

996
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: for Quinary Reid, who was murdered on New Year's Day

997
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: at a park, that story was like wow, everyone's like, yeah, okay,

998
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: another shot, another eleven year old, this park, Okay, great,

999
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: put the cameras up, debate at whatever. But this story

1000
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: is more gripping than that. What does that say about us?

1001
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, it's it's a really good point you're making

1002
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 10: when we have we have an eleven year old that

1003
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 10: is completely innocent, and this isn't like this is the

1004
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 10: first time it's happened. By God, it happened in almost

1005
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 10: in the exact same spot. Cincinnati needs to really come

1006
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 10: to grist of what is going on culturally, the criminal

1007
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 10: justice system. All these things come together and it isn't working.

1008
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 10: Something is really really broken bad. When we can kind

1009
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 10: of shrug off the death of eleven year old, like

1010
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 10: you said, go and then now we're off worrying about

1011
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 10: something in some other state, or what we're actually worrying

1012
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 10: about is like you heading off to our right left camp,

1013
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 10: so everybody just once can't wait to head off into

1014
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 10: their own camp instead of having a discussion. And Sonny,

1015
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 10: you said it too. About this shooting. We don't know

1016
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 10: all the facts. I could sit here and tell you, Look,

1017
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 10: I'm biased, I'm pro police, and I have a lot

1018
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 10: of experience in these type of cases, and I believe

1019
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 10: that the outre will be found just in what he did.

1020
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 10: But that doesn't mean that there isn't still more to

1021
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 10: know about this thing. Before you say anything for sure,

1022
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 10: before you decide whether you're would you just say that

1023
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 10: the two camps are murder or domestic care or whatever camp,

1024
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 10: I think we should all slow down a little bit.

1025
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 10: I think we should flow down a lot and say, look,

1026
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 10: something awful happened. There was a loss of life. I

1027
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 10: think we're going to find that there was a lot

1028
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 10: of things that came up to this uh uh that

1029
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 10: that we need to look at too, these demonstrators, how

1030
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 10: we're reacting to these demonstrators, ices and all that stuff.

1031
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 10: Because we want to prevent loss of life, we all

1032
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 10: should agree on that and then then we can move

1033
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 10: on from there. But if all we do is head

1034
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 10: off to those two camps like you talk about, screaming

1035
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 10: at each other, I'm really really worried about America and

1036
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 10: and and and to do that little bounce back like

1037
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 10: you said, I'm worried about I'm worried about our community

1038
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 10: that we still haven't even really come to griss of

1039
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 10: what just what just happened to?

1040
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, second eleven year old murdered in Laurel Park in

1041
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: two and a half years and people just shrug and go, Okay, well,

1042
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: what's what's for dinner? And we're all wor at word

1043
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 2: about Minnesota. Yeah, back when you were on it, you know,

1044
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: we had the whole I mentioned the police involve shootings

1045
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: here and how tactically we change things on the street saying, hey,

1046
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: you know, let's let's not stand in the front part

1047
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 2: of a vehicle that's running right and kind of maybe

1048
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 2: move to the side. We've seen shootings. You mentioned one Columbus.

1049
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: That was another one where the woman's trying to back

1050
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: up out of a parking spot, or the person's backing

1051
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: up and officer shoots them. And I get that. I

1052
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: just wonder if there's a disconnect between, you know, not

1053
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: to make this all about tactics, but the kind of

1054
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 2: training that ice agents were getting relative to these stops.

1055
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: You guys train all the time, and I just don't

1056
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, and maybe you do or don't what

1057
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: level of train they receive when it comes to traffic

1058
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: stops like this, because essentially you've got immigration agents that

1059
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: are handling this. This was a traffic stop. I don't

1060
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: know what the level of training there is with those guys,

1061
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: and you know, I think that also clouds things too.

1062
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 10: It'd be a guest, but I think you're you're going

1063
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 10: down the right day. Up. I think it's it's likely

1064
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 10: that they haven't had trained slash experience in these type

1065
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 10: of things, because, yeah, I see this, I see this

1066
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 10: crazy uh demonstrator not to talk to all of the dead,

1067
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 10: but out there, you know, what are you doing moving

1068
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 10: her car around when she's dealing with a bunch of

1069
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Speaker 10: armed agents. It doesn't seem very balanced to me. Slowly,

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Speaker 10: I'm up on the sidewalk, I'm standing behind the st here.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 10: There's only so much a human being can do to

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Speaker 10: affect a car. If if they wanted the stopper or

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Speaker 10: I would use a vehicle or something to stop her

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Speaker 10: if they if they have charges that are that high

1076
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 10: a level that they want to do. Other than that,

1077
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, I'm giving my commands from somewhere say.

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Speaker 2: The story here is it? And again it may change,

1079
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 2: it may not who knows, but that she was blocking

1080
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: traffic and she's trying to pull away and move her

1081
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: You know, the self absorption and righteous indignation can get

1082
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: you killed. And that's true. Whether it's it's this this woman,

1083
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: this thirty seven year old Renee Good in Minnesota, whether

1084
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: it's uh, you can you can? You know, look at

1085
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: the Sam Debos thing, look at the look at the

1086
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: shooting of of Linder. Right, we had shootings that you know,

1087
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: you start doing in pointing weapon and whether it's a

1088
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: car or a gun at a and an armed officer,

1089
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: bad things are going to happen to you as well.

1090
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: They should. This was entirely preventable. But just roll the

1091
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: window down and talk to the agent. I don't understand

1092
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: the pulling away and why we're defending that.

1093
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know what business it is now that's

1094
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 10: running a commercial might be for all, getting getting your

1095
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 10: call and screened or whatever is like, these things are preventable,

1096
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 10: and you know, I'm on the loss what I think today?

1097
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 10: Have you heard this commercials w W an them? But

1098
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 10: these things are preventable, is your point these things are

1099
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 10: very preventable, and it starts with the person that lost

1100
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 10: their life. They made lots of decisions, uh that that

1101
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 10: that prevented this. Yes, I know we tend to look

1102
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 10: at the institutions, whether it's a police department or ice

1103
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 10: or whoever, and say how can they do things better?

1104
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 10: And we always should right, right, But but but these

1105
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 10: these these actors that are going out and doing these things,

1106
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 10: are are putting themselves at risk. And look, if you

1107
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 10: don't like the law, immigration laws. I believe in immigration laws.

1108
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 10: I believe in borders in the country. If you don't

1109
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 10: believe in them, then vote for somebody that's you know,

1110
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 10: wants to change the immigration law or peacefully demonstrate in

1111
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 10: a way that is common sensical. Don't go out there

1112
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 10: and put your life on the line to make your statement,

1113
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 10: because it is a shame. Like I said, everything is

1114
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 10: is well also, Dan going about things much more peaceful.

1115
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Speaker 2: You know you can be for you could be for

1116
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: securing the borders and making sure we know who's coming

1117
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: in this country and our sovereignty.

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Speaker 6: We have a right to do that.

1119
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 2: But you know, even a lot of people agree with that,

1120
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: disagree with sweeping people up in home depot and just

1121
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: snatching them up and grabbing them with like, hey, we're

1122
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: going to quiz you see if you're here illegally or not.

1123
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Speaker 2: You know, I got a couple of people that I

1124
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: know personally through family, friends and the like that. One

1125
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: guy's Irish and and now he may be kicked out

1126
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: of the country for whatever reason. He got me went

1127
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: to school here, and there's there's stories that's all the time.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, uh, you know, when when you overextend

1129
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Speaker 2: yourself in that capacity, going from immigration to in a

1130
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: lot of cases, what we're doing here, you know, it

1131
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 2: tends to polarize people and turn people against you. Would

1132
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: normally support you. But again, when an officer gives you

1133
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: a reasonable command, hey roll your window down. You're blocking

1134
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: the street. You can't block us from doing our jobs.

1135
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: You've got a problem right there, because that's your war.

1136
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 6: Can't do it.

1137
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Speaker 10: You have to obey law enforcement. And this wedge, this

1138
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 10: wedge that the politicians out there are putting between federal

1139
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 10: law enforcement and state law enforcement, is insane. Look, I'm

1140
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 10: responding to whatever law enforcement officer needs assistance. I'm not

1141
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 10: thinking about the politics involved in it, and neither should

1142
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 10: the Minnesota Chief of Police and some of the things

1143
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 10: that they're saying that the christ should recognize law enforcement

1144
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 10: officers as law enforcement officers. And again, they are enforcing

1145
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 10: the law. Maybe it's not the most popular, Maybe some

1146
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 10: people might not like the common sense of who they're

1147
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 10: approaching at a certain time or whatever. We can all

1148
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 10: talk about that, but you know, policemen needs help. They

1149
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 10: need to stand together as police officers, federal whatever, as

1150
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 10: long as as long as they're enforcing the law and

1151
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 10: doing it going about it in the legally correct ways,

1152
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 10: Gateball approved ways that they should stand together. And this

1153
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 10: divide that's being put in between them, Yeah, this is

1154
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 10: really bad.

1155
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: This is blaming the foot soldier obviously for what the

1156
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: what the chief is doing. And yeah, I think it's

1157
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: it's it's unfair to think that some I wonder how

1158
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: many you've talked to ICE agents off the record. I

1159
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: don't know, but I wonder how many they agree with

1160
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: what they're doing. But again, it's it's their job. They're

1161
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 2: sworn to do this stuff, and you'll obey the commands

1162
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 2: above you. So Dan Hill's at the frontline advisor. He's

1163
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Speaker 2: a president of course, former FOP president here in Cincinnati. Dan,

1164
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 2: thanks for the insight and these these trying times. Indeed,

1165
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: hope the new year gets better from this point for

1166
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: it all the best of you to you too, sir,

1167
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: and the best of you and your family all the best, Yes,

1168
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: thank you. Let me get a news update in and

1169
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: more to follow. Here's the Scott's Loland Show seven hundred W.

1170
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Speaker 2: Wilderland me here on seven hundred W l w R

1171
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: Thursday morning segments with Sonja Shava Krimani Er Doc, one

1172
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Speaker 2: of the top doctors in the country, I'm told also

1173
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: our fitness and health guide. Just kind of a little

1174
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: check up on this first segment of the new year.

1175
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Speaker 2: Welcome are you my friend?

1176
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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 10: Happy years?

1178
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I heard you.

1180
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: Understand that you have been voted top eer physician in

1181
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: the United States. Uh, the opposite.

1182
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: Well, no, I I was in the Top Docs episode

1183
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati Magazine. I was not voted at Top Docs,

1184
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: but you know some of my work is highlighted there.

1185
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 10: Appreciate.

1186
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 9: Why do you just say.

1187
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: Again the truth. We're in the post truth society, Sanjay,

1188
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: just say you're the best guy in the world. Fair

1189
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: one will check, No one will check. Here we are

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Speaker 2: in the first first CENTI first week of January, and

1191
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: I know the trend the kids all do, like yourself,

1192
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,919
Speaker 2: here is dry January. What the hell is the point

1193
00:57:58,960 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 2: of that?

1194
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 10: So it's it's interesting, Scott, before you even go on,

1195
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 10: I found this shock. This that shocking, which was Gallup

1196
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 10: poll found that fifty four percent of adults drink alcohol now,

1197
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 10: which is the lowest it's been since they started recording it. Yeah,

1198
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 10: which is it was my it's been up to like

1199
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Speaker 10: seventy one percent, so like fifty four percent, So it's

1200
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 10: actually become less commonplace to drink. Have you tried tried

1201
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 10: January before?

1202
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 6: So I'm really I don't.

1203
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: Drink all that much. I might have, you know, every

1204
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: couple of weeks or maybe once a week really unless

1205
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 2: we're out with friends or something like. I'm not like

1206
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: a big sit around and watch football and drink beer.

1207
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: I don't know why I should because my team's never win,

1208
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: so I should probably drink more than I don't.

1209
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Speaker 1: It was dull the pain, for sure. Yeah, but you know,

1210
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: now that the season's over for the Bengals, you know,

1211
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: there's no real reasons. But yeah, it's it's actually becoming

1212
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: more and more common. The whole dry January thing only

1213
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: started about less than twenty years ago, which also was

1214
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: surprising to me. I thought this has been around for

1215
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: a while, But what we're seeing is the movement's increasing.

1216
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: And this study just came out, Actually it was out

1217
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Speaker 1: of Brown University, but it was a combination of a

1218
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: bunch of other studies about dry January and the positive

1219
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: effects that we're actually seeing. And it's really encouraging for

1220
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: the movement, not just for the month itself, but for

1221
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: the long term effects of actually just going cold turkey

1222
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Speaker 1: for a month.

1223
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Speaker 2: How many people continue after Januer saying, you know, I

1224
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: feel pretty good, I don't need the alcohol.

1225
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 10: So it's a significant amount. And it's not necessarily like

1226
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 10: going completely sober, we don't see that so much, but

1227
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 10: it is a huge curb on the drinking.

1228
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Speaker 1: So you know what doing a dry January does. It

1229
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: tells you a few things. One you can reflect on it.

1230
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: And that's one of the most important things I tell people,

1231
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: which is, you know, don't just do the act. Think

1232
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: about how you felt before, and then document how you

1233
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: feel afterwards, because you'll see the benefits. And if you

1234
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: don't reflect on it, you may see it and you

1235
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: may just say, you know, this is just one month

1236
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: in my life and go back to your usual habits.

1237
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: What people find is by doing a month of dry January,

1238
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: feeling better, they're sleeping better, they're like having better social connections,

1239
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: and you know, they're losing weight. You know, there's a

1240
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: ton of effects to work this, and people realize if

1241
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: they reflect on it and curb their drinking. So maybe

1242
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're doing two drinks a night, or two

1243
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: drinks a few times a night, and maybe it's down

1244
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: to two drinks once a week, which any cutdown is beneficial.

1245
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Speaker 2: Is there a benefit to alcohol, I'm sorry, is there

1246
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: a benefit to alcohol specifically wine? You know, you hear

1247
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: about the Mediterranean diet and the French and they drink

1248
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: a lot of wine and the health and is that

1249
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: bonc or is there a certain amount of alcohol that

1250
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: actually is helpful?

1251
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Speaker 1: So I know, the studies keep going back and forth,

1252
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: and you know, we get conflicting evidence, which makes it

1253
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: r The current stance in science is that there is

1254
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: no health benefit to drinking alcohol. So no alcohol is

1255
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: better than any at all. Uh And and you know,

1256
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's subject to change, but I kind of believe

1257
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Speaker 1: for myself someone who you know, It's not like I

1258
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: was binging or anything, but I was drinking more than

1259
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: I do now. And it just took a couple of

1260
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: changes and now I'm like you, I'm drinking maybe one

1261
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: night a week. It's that and at that it would

1262
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: be like a drink or two max and h seeing

1263
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Speaker 1: that has has confirmed my bliss.

1264
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

1265
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're out three or four nights a week,

1266
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 2: that's that's a problem, unless you know, you're in college.

1267
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Speaker 2: I think you get to pass up until grad school.

1268
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 2: Then after that it's probably time to take that kind

1269
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: of stuff seriously. But if in the thing, you kind

1270
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: of probably want to admit to yourself, hey, I'm probably

1271
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: drinking more nights than I should be. If I can

1272
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Speaker 2: cut that back down to you know, one or two,

1273
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: how much is how much? Is the way you said?

1274
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: You know, no alcohol is you know, the best, but

1275
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: I think you know, a little whe or red wine

1276
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: something like that, it's probably pretty good for you. You know,

1277
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: you start chugging handles of Jack Daniels, you got problems.

1278
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: Exactly, you know, And I'm I'm not one to say,

1279
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Speaker 1: you know, absolutely cut it out of your life, no

1280
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: questions asked, you know, there is a point to drinking.

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01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes there is a social connection and something that happens

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01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: when you when you're sharing drinks with friends. Sure, but

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01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, no more than once or

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: twice a week and you'll you'll be better off. And

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01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: even that again, limiting your alcohol consumption will help you

1286
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: in in a ton of ways.

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01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 10: And it's been shown scientist.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into those things that that show up that

1289
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 2: just one month of dry January, no drinking and dry January,

1290
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: what does that do for you? What are the benefits?

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01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, so one of the main things that you know,

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Speaker 10: you and I talked about it on our very first segment,

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Speaker 10: which is sleep. A lot of people drink alcohol too

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01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 10: before they go to bed and they say, you know,

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01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 10: it helps me sleep, and there is some truth to that.

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01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: It helps you get to sleep. The problem is you don't.

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01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: You don't stay asleep, so you get this four hour

1298
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: rebound effect where the alcohol goes away and suddenly your

1299
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: brain is more wired than.

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01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 10: When you went to bed.

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01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: And so you know, if you're waking up in the

1302
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: middle of the night because of alcohol, there's the alcohol

1303
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: is the reason for that. The other thing we see

1304
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: is that you don't get rem sleep when you drink alcohol,

1305
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: or you get very minimal rem sleep, So while you

1306
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: fall asleep, and you fall asleep quickly, you don't get

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01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: that quality sleep that helps you restore, helps you forward

1308
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 1: memories and do all the stuff that happens during your

1309
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: dream state, which is essential for not just you know, happiness,

1310
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: but also helps So sleep is the main thing.

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Yeah, I was gonna say. It's Sanjay Scheva Crimani.

1312
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: He's the our physician also a resident health and fitness

1313
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: guy on the show. And first segment you were talking

1314
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: about drive January and a lot of people are getting

1315
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: on this bandwagon by the thousands, especially your millennials and

1316
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: gen zers, older gen zers, I guess I should say,

1317
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: are getting on this bandwagon just for a month to

1318
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: see how it feels. And then remarkably people go back

1319
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 2: back to those habits that don't make them feel well.

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01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: But you know, I think, like we're saying anything in

1321
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: moderation is pretty good. We're talking about the effects of

1322
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: that though, and what you know, going dry for an

1323
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: entire month is going to do for your body, sleep

1324
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 2: being one, what else.

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01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: The other things the things that come out of sleep

1326
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 1: directly would be your mood and energy levels. So people

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01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: feel better, they have more energy to do the things

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01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: they want, and especially in a dreary month like January,

1329
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: that will help you.

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Speaker 10: So things that come out of sleep.

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01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: The other things we see is weight loss, and you

1332
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: can imagine, you know, the term empty calories. I just

1333
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: kind of heard it, but I didn't know what it meant.

1334
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: But basically, there's no nutritional value in alcohol, but it

1335
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: has a ton of calories if you look at at

1336
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: a bottle or if you're having a sugary cocktail or

1337
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: something like that, it adds up quickly. And so people

1338
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: find that they lose about three to five pounds if

1339
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: they do drive January on average, And so that's a

1340
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: pretty significant thing, especially when you know we start the

1341
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: year and we all want to be healthier, et cetera.

1342
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: That would be a huge way to get there, is

1343
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: just limiting those empty calories that aren't doing anything for you.

1344
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: The other thing we see, uh, you know other things anyway,

1345
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: would be a drop in blood pressure that seemed kind

1346
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: of across the board, uh, and then liver problems. So

1347
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting.

1348
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 10: A lot of us have what we call fatty liver disease,

1349
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 10: which is basically as fat deposits, and what they saw

1350
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 10: in these studies is that those amount of fat deposits

1351
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 10: go down in your liver. Fat deposits are important because

1352
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 10: what what they can lead to is liver injury and eventually,

1353
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 10: and this is not to like spook anyone else, but

1354
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 10: you know, it's one of the precursors sometimes for cirrhosis,

1355
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 10: and so that's end stage liver disease. And so any

1356
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 10: any cut back.

1357
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: On your alcohol intake will decrease that fat formation in

1358
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: your liver. So we see a ton of benefits from

1359
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: from dropping alcohol.

1360
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear about that fatty liver thing that that's concerning,

1361
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: and that is from drinking out of that diet, and

1362
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: lack exercise too contributes to its.

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01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 10: All of the above.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you have non alcoholic fatty liver disease

1365
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: and then you have the alcoholic type. And so what

1366
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: we find is that you know, alcohol does lead to it,

1367
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: but also obesity and being overweight can lead to it too,

1368
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: just because of insulin resistance. And so there are many

1369
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: ways to get a fatty liver, but alcohol certainly doesn't.

1370
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 10: Help and probably it leads to a lot of the cases.

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01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 2: This is the time of year of people focus on

1372
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: diet and exercise and okay, drive j anywhere. Can you

1373
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: do too much?

1374
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 4: Though?

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01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: Can It's like, hey, I'm gonna diet and it's dry

1376
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 2: January and I got I'm gonna start exercising and you

1377
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: start loading that up on your plate. Should you just

1378
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: pick one of the three or more?

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01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: Whatever? Whatever you can sustain is always the best. Like,

1380
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: it is possible to go too hard just for your brain. No,

1381
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: health wise, no, it's not a thing. And that comes

1382
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: with a disclaimer. If you do drink moderate to severe

1383
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: amount of alcohol, I'm talking like three or four drinks

1384
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: a day or more, I would consult a health professional

1385
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: before you go cold turkey. That's why risk, because the

1386
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: risks of alcohol withdrawal are very high. The other, you know,

1387
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: the other thing to your point is, uh, it's hard

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01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: to it's hard to make change. And so if you've

1389
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: never tried, you know, improving your health before, I would

1390
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: recommend doing one thing now. This may be the thing

1391
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: for you, especially if if you're drinking, you know, three

1392
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: plus times a week. Just dropping that.

1393
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 10: Again, better sleep leads to better health, Uh, at least

1394
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 10: a better mood.

1395
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: It leads to better social connections, and just try it

1396
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: out and see again. Like we were talking about before

1397
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: the break, the benefits of habit formation. You know, it's

1398
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: great if you can find a health habit, but it

1399
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: takes about three weeks to even start forming those connections

1400
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: in your brain. So that's the beauty of doing dry

1401
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: January fair an entire month because you can start building

1402
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: those habits and that ability to say no, I won't

1403
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: drink tonight and showing yourself the benefits of this.

1404
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fascinating because you know, you start

1405
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 2: to feel better, you notice those changes, and one may ask, well,

1406
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: why don't you keep You tend to fall back into

1407
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: the same pattern. No, I think, and you know, for

1408
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: the next eleven months you try to make up for

1409
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: the one month where you didn't drive.

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01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: It's definitely possible to have that rebound, which is that

1411
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: reason of building those good habits and even the habit

1412
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: again of saying no or not sharing it. Now there's

1413
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: there's all these things that have been kind of set

1414
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: up for success for drand dry January. Where we lived

1415
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: right now at this time in history, and our beautiful city.

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01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: You know, a ton of restaurants out there and bars

1417
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: now have mocktails, so you have another option if you

1418
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: don't want to drink alcohol. You know, if you if

1419
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 1: you name it, Homemakers is one of them that just

1420
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: prides themselves on their mocktails. Sundry Advice does it too,

1421
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: but almost every restaurant is doing mocktails, and so there

1422
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: are other options. And then if you know, I've had

1423
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: the Athletic Brewing, which is an alcoholic beer I don't

1424
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: even like I PAS, and their non alcoholic i PA

1425
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: is amazing, And so you know, there's there's a ton

1426
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: of options out there. The other thing is we have

1427
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: leaders in the industry of food and wine and drink

1428
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 1: that are you know, telling telling their alcohol story and

1429
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: talking about how they've achieved sobriety, Jose Salazar being one

1430
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: of them. And so you have leaders in our community

1431
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: that are speaking about the benefit of stopping alcohol intake.

1432
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: And so that's that's leading into it too. And then

1433
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: again more and more people are doing it's now socially

1434
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: acceptable to not drink alcohol, which I don't think was

1435
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 1: the case you know twenty years ago. You know, you

1436
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: get made fun of or people would be like, are

1437
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: you pregnant? And even if you're a guy, you know,

1438
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: and now it's much more socially acceptable, and that's it's

1439
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: created a better, better society.

1440
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 9: For all of them.

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01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it makes sense at this time of the year.

1442
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: As I mentioned the confluence of diet, exercise, not drinking,

1443
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 2: all these things. If you make this part of a

1444
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: fast let's pivot to that real quick here too, because

1445
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people at first the year

1446
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: they start a I got to clean up after the holidays,

1447
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: they had a couple of weeks off and I feel

1448
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 2: like crap, and I've got to reset my metabolism, my brain.

1449
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: Where are you on fasting? Does it actually work? And

1450
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: what you should What should you do if you're contemplating.

1451
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 1: It's tough. I know a lot of people who have

1452
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: had success with it. At the end of the day,

1453
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that the fasting its main

1454
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: effect is that it's hard to eat all your caloric

1455
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: intake in one day. I'll be honest, I don't know

1456
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: all the data on it, and I know it gets

1457
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: down to a lot of minutia that I don't bother

1458
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: myself with. I mean, I'm still a simple guy who

1459
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: says calories in versus calories out.

1460
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 10: And there's you know, there's there's layers on top of that.

1461
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: Of the type of food you're bringing in, et cetera.

1462
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: And I just I try to be I try to

1463
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: live with a cleaner diet these days than I used to.

1464
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: For a while there, I was eating onhealthy and a

1465
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: lot of like inflammatory foods, and now I'm introducing more

1466
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: fiber and nutrient rich foods to my diet and less

1467
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: processed stuff. As far as you know, it is possible

1468
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 1: to go too hard, and you know, if you're intimently fasting,

1469
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 1: it might work for you, it's really hard to maintain

1470
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: that long term. And so like with anything, I say,

1471
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: do what makes you feel better that you can maintain forever,

1472
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to going hard and really clunging yourself and

1473
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: maybe seeing some benefits. But then when it's done, like

1474
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 1: you talked about, when it's done in February or whenever

1475
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: you decide to stop that process, you don't rebound and

1476
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: go crazy and you know, eat everything under the sun.

1477
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: So small changes are more important that you can sustain

1478
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: than one massive change that is just going to be

1479
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:28,520
Speaker 1: a flash.

1480
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 10: In the pan.

1481
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard success. People get older, you know, inflammatory disease,

1482
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: everything starts hurting, and as soon as you clean your

1483
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: diet up or fast for a while, you start to

1484
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: feel better. You know, you go into what's called katosis,

1485
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 2: where you're burning your fat basically you know, very low

1486
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 2: carbohydrates if any. But there's a certain benefit that mentally

1487
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 2: and physically as well. But of course you know, you

1488
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 2: can't fast for thirty straight days. There's a reasonable amount

1489
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 2: of time you should you should subject your body to that.

1490
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: So and then gradually introduce reintroduce foods that there are

1491
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: maybe less inflammatory. So as you get older, that definitely

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Speaker 2: is that when you're younger, but you're older, everything hurts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are Resilience is huge when we're

1494
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Speaker 1: when we're young. And then it starts to say that

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Speaker 1: you and I have experienced. I'll say I did the

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Speaker 1: Whole thirty diet, which is anti inflammatory and no alcohol.

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Speaker 1: I did that for a January a few years ago,

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Speaker 1: and the things I learned from that I took with me.

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Speaker 1: Did I you know, do I go Whole thirty all

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Speaker 1: the time?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: But do I see the things and the potential benefits

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Speaker 1: and stopping alcohol and being more mindful about the food

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Speaker 1: that I'm putting in my body. Yes, and so it's

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Speaker 1: do it over time. The more you do it, I mean,

1506
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: it's almost like stopping any bad habit. Reflect on it,

1507
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: see how it makes you feel. You will probably you know,

1508
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,560
Speaker 1: fail and even if you you know, if you do

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,560
Speaker 1: drive January back to that and you start you have

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Speaker 1: a drink or to either in January, they're calling it

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: damp January, where you like.

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Speaker 10: Maybe slip up. It's better then, It's better than just

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01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 10: you know, drinking every day or going back. It's okay.

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: We're human after all, and it's okay to slip up

1515
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: every now and then, no matter what, you're doing your

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01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: body a favor by decreasing your.

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Speaker 2: Alcoholic Sonja Schewercramani is an er doctor here in Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: and he comes on the show Thursday mornings. It's not

1519
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Speaker 2: just doctor stuff, it's health, food, fitness all that. He's

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Speaker 2: at Dine Well Doc and we'll talk next Thursday. Appreciate

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01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 2: the time, Be well.

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Speaker 10: Thanks loaning YouTube Well.

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Speaker 2: Minnesota continues to boil for obvious reasons. We're back to

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Speaker 2: that again in the very latest news. Get you updated

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Speaker 2: on all that and more in about four minutes here

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred w OLWD Cincinnati, Want to be an

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Speaker 2: American Shots Loan on seven hundred WWT, continuing to follow

1528
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 2: what's happening in Minnesota and that horrific set of events,

1529
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Speaker 2: and hard to believe it is only the eighth day

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Speaker 2: of the new year. Every day there's something more we

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: got it. We need to I think a new year reset,

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01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 2: if you will. Other stuff going on includes, of course

1533
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 2: the battle over healthcare too, and we recently had a

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01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 2: government shutdown that illustrated the silliness, absurdity with poult that

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01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: we tolerate in this country right now, certainly in America.

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people still come here for

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01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: health care renowned for research and development, and there's a

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: lot of vesture in that. So you know, certainly the

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Speaker 2: system is broken. It's not completely broken or it can't

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01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 2: be fixed. But we're back to that critical issue of

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Speaker 2: healthcare and getting people covered. On that is doctor Peter

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 2: Cowie on the show this morning, How you been.

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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 9: Scott, Thanks for having me and I appreciate the invitation.

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01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this is extremely relevant now that

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 2: we fight over healthcare subsidies and you know, you know,

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01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 2: there are a number of Americans that are dependent upon

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 2: that and working people who are working multiple jobs in

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01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 2: order to try and survive today, and they need healthcare.

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Speaker 2: It's not provided by their employer, and so ACA fills

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01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 2: that void. They get high scores for that. But you know,

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01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: to act like somehow it makes it affordable, it doesn't.

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01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: Because the tremendous amount of subsidy that's at stake here,

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: you continue to subsidize things, it distorts what the costs

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01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: really are, and it really it just glosses over a

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01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: broken system them in that regard, doesn't it absolutely.

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Speaker 9: You know, we have two populations that are at risk here.

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01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 9: One is obviously the uninsured, but there's a gigantic proportion

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01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 9: of our population who are underinsured, so they have to

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 9: pay large deductibles, they have to pay a lot of

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Speaker 9: out of pocket expenses when they seek medical care. Those

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Speaker 9: are the people who are really at risk here. And

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Speaker 9: of course, with the reduction in the subsidies, their premiums

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 9: look like they're going to.

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Speaker 10: Go through the roof.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have lawmakers breaking away. I mean, Taylor

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: Green from Georgia's just saying, look, listen, you know I've

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Speaker 2: got family members that rely on subsidies on the Affordable

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Speaker 2: Care Act in order to provide they're working a few jobs.

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Speaker 2: I have family members that are like that right now.

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Speaker 2: You know, this isn't like us against them and we

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01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 2: might you know, it's because it's Obamacare. It must be destroyed.

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Speaker 2: It's propping up a broken in defunct system, and something

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Speaker 2: needs to be done because the future is not looking bright.

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Speaker 2: And you're right about that in failure to treat what

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Speaker 2: this really means for ordinary families as things continue the

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Speaker 2: way they are. The broad picture on this, though, doctor

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Speaker 2: Cowie is Here's what I don't understand, right, is that

1578
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: we have a not a good system was is with

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Speaker 2: Medicare and Medicaid and the Affordable Character and Obamacare and

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01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 2: things are being popped up and subsidized and it's ugly

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Speaker 2: and it doesn't work the other side of it, I

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01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 2: don't see many ideas come out of the Republicans though,

1583
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 2: when it comes to a better solution for this other

1584
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 2: than well, you know, it's socialized medicine and we can't

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Speaker 2: have that. What's the solution.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so you're entirely correct, we can't. We have a

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Speaker 9: patchwork system right now, we have people trying to get

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Speaker 9: health insurance in several different directions, and as we've already said,

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Speaker 9: at very high cost. It really is going to come down, unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: to a debate about whether we should as a country,

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01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 9: as a civilization here, but just say everybody has to

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Speaker 9: have affordable healthcare, and in whatever form that's going to take.

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Speaker 9: You've heard the term medicare for all. That may be

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01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 9: a little bit large in terms of how much that

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01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 9: would cost and whether it could be implemented. But the

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Speaker 9: truth of the matter is that until we get to

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Speaker 9: the point that we all agree that this is not

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01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 9: a luxury, this is a necessity that we need to

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Speaker 9: provide affordable healthcare for all of our citizens. Until we

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Speaker 9: grasp that concept, I'm afraid that the system is not

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Speaker 9: going to get fixed.

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Speaker 2: In the Isey the overwriting story here regards of where

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01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 2: you stand politically on this, the fact is it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone agrees in Republican Democrats know that it

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01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: doesn't work the way it is, and it's something has

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Speaker 2: to give because we spend what twice as much per

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Speaker 2: person on healthcare as other countries who are wealthy, and

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Speaker 2: something like thirteen thous or thirteen grand per person annually

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Speaker 2: spend on healthcare, and a lot of those people don't

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Speaker 2: use healthcare. We're talking about younger people who don't use

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Speaker 2: healthcare as much as older people do. And we're not

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Speaker 2: getting any better outcomes. Number one one cause of personal

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01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 2: bankruptcy medical bills. That's no future for a that's still

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01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 2: a recipe for future success. I should say.

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Speaker 9: Now, we're spending four and a half trillion dollars a

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Speaker 9: year on healthcare in the United States, projected in twenty

1617
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 9: thirty five to be closer to nine trillion dollars on healthcare,

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01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,799
Speaker 9: and yet, as you just said, and I completely agree,

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01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 9: we sit at the bottom in ranks of civilized countries

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01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 9: in terms of almost any healthcare outcome measure you want

1621
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 9: to use, infant mortality, life expectancy. It is not a

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Speaker 9: system that's working.

1623
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 10: But we have the recently.

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Speaker 9: You're preamble by the way, I really appreciate it, because you're.

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 10: Right, you know you can.

1626
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 9: The glass isn't completely empty half empty. There's a lot

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01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 9: of really good things about our healthcare system. The problem

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01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 9: is access.

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01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 10: The problem is allowing people to get into the system

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01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 10: so that they can take advantage of this wonderful technology

1631
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 10: and innovation that we have here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw the murder of the CEO of United

1633
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 2: Healthcare and the reaction that I saw from a number

1634
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 2: of people sickening that we're celebrating the death of the

1635
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 2: CEO of a company like he is the one driving

1636
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 2: this problem people. And I get it, you know, it's

1637
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 2: a metaphor for the system that's broken. But I don't

1638
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 2: understand celebrating someone's assassination basically is what happened here? What

1639
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 2: does that tell you about where we're in and how

1640
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: much of that has to do? And I get it.

1641
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: You know, insurance companies and insurers they stand the most

1642
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 2: to gain by well what the democrats want. A lot

1643
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: of this money is going to go to UH. If

1644
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 2: you subsidize anything, what happens is you just it just

1645
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: costs you more. College is a great example. You know,

1646
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: we subsidize college. Everyone has to go to college free

1647
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 2: college money grants tuition on the thing, and college is

1648
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 2: raised it. Okay, we'll just going to charge more because

1649
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 2: more people have its more money and it's artificial till

1650
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 2: you have to pay it. The same thing is true here,

1651
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah? I agree entirely would you song with the reaction

1653
01:19:55,000 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 9: to that unfortunate event is how angry people are. I

1654
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 9: think what you saw was a reflection of their frustration

1655
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 9: and their anger with dealing with healthcare insurance companies that

1656
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 9: they really don't care about you. I mean, they've advertise

1657
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:13,560
Speaker 9: on television how much they care, and the truth of

1658
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 9: the matter is they don't. I don't know if you

1659
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:18,919
Speaker 9: saw recently, Scott, that a number of companies, including Medicare

1660
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 9: as well, are now going to go to pre certification

1661
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 9: done by artificial intelligence.

1662
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 10: Now think about that.

1663
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 9: Think about that your doctor orders a test and some

1664
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 9: computer is going to make a decision as to whether

1665
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 9: or not.

1666
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 10: You can get that test done or not.

1667
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 9: I mean, that's the level of the absurdity that's going

1668
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 9: on with pre certification, for example, or denials of care.

1669
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 9: And in the book as failure to treat their numerous

1670
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 9: examples in the stories about people who suffered really severe

1671
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 9: harm because of what happens with their medical insurance system

1672
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 9: as it currently exists.

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01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 6: Oh, you don't have to.

1674
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 2: Look far to find those examples that you know, the

1675
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: things that you think are covered, and they try to

1676
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: find a way not to cover it. Or you know,

1677
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 2: it's almost a It's hard enough when your child, for example,

1678
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 2: as you know doctor Cowie is ill and you're trying

1679
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 2: to get them treatment for something like pediatric cancer, heart

1680
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 2: or some sort of serious illness like that, and then

1681
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 2: you're waging a war with the insurance company on top

1682
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:15,959
Speaker 2: of that. It seems punitive.

1683
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, and don't don't believe that the doctors aren't advocating.

1684
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 9: I mean, my office spends almost a full fte just

1685
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 9: dealing with insurance companies to get certification for procedures. And

1686
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 9: they put you on hold for a couple of hours

1687
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,600
Speaker 9: and you have to wait there until they've decided to

1688
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 9: come on the phone. And then when they deny something,

1689
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 9: you have to go into a complicated system of trying

1690
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 9: to appeal to appeal the decision, and you have to

1691
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,560
Speaker 9: go up in the ladder to what they call a

1692
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 9: peer review and talk to somebody who may not even

1693
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 9: be in your specialty to make a decision about coverage.

1694
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,480
Speaker 9: So the system is rotten. Okay, it's a rotten system.

1695
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 10: And unfortunately we've adapted to a tried to live with it.

1696
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 9: But it has to it has to change.

1697
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 2: Well, we've heard that for a long time, though, What

1698
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 2: is going to be the change agent here? Is it

1699
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 2: going to be one extreme case, one extreme example, kind

1700
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: of like you know, when we have a terror attack,

1701
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 2: everything changed after nine to eleven. Do we need like

1702
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: a medical nine to eleven to occur? And what would

1703
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: that look like?

1704
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you know, I wondered.

1705
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 9: I've wondered this myself. You know, I used to think

1706
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 9: that when the Sandy Hook shootings occurred and all those

1707
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 9: children were massacred, that that was going to stimulate change

1708
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 9: in the gun laws. And it didn't. Uh, it almost

1709
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 9: rised the level of absurdity of what you need to

1710
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 9: do to convince legislators. And that's where this has to

1711
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 9: come from. Right, We need we need major changes in

1712
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 9: our regulation of insurance companies and laws. What's it going

1713
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 9: to take to get these people off the dime and

1714
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 9: make them understand that we need to move forward and

1715
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 9: make the system better.

1716
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I thought of the Sandy Hook allerg

1717
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: but I don't know if I entirely agree that because

1718
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 2: there you have, Okay, you have a second amendment, we

1719
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: have second membright to arm ourselves and that is a

1720
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: I don't think European countries understand the second amoment, how

1721
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: powerful it is and what you can do. And we

1722
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 2: put a lot of laws in place to again keep

1723
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: guns on the hands of criminals, but also impacts most

1724
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 2: most people don't guns, are law abiding citizens. And there's

1725
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: also a mental health component. Use a physician know that,

1726
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: and you know what about people who commit domestic violence acts?

1727
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 2: And well, we have HIPPA, but we can't disclose. And

1728
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: when you fill out your federal firearms form, you know

1729
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: you may have mental health issues, but you're not going

1730
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: to admit it, or maybe you don't know what you

1731
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: think the rest of the world's crazy and you're normal

1732
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: and you go, yeah, I'm perfectly fine. And then they

1733
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 2: go on a mass shooting. But there's none of that

1734
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 2: in play here. You don't have that. But when you

1735
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 2: have both sides agreeing right that the healthcare system is

1736
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 2: broken needs to be fixed, there's no hey, there's an

1737
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 2: amendment that says you're not entitled to healthcare, or there's

1738
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: no opposition this. We all agree in the same thing,

1739
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: and yet we can't do anything to me. That's the

1740
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: most frustrating part about this.

1741
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I completely agree that they're not now necessarily and now.

1742
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 9: I guess, however, think about this that the Republicans are

1743
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 9: denying the fact right now, they're denying the fact that

1744
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 9: cutting Medicaid and Medicare in the big beautiful bill. They're

1745
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 9: denying the fact that that is going to cause a

1746
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 9: disaster in American medicine when everybody knows that it's going

1747
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 9: to hospitals.

1748
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 10: Are already teeter tottering right.

1749
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 9: I mean, the majority of hospitalsiness country are operating in

1750
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 9: the red. Seventeen percent of hospitals last year either bankrupted

1751
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 9: or came close to bankruptcy. And these are royal hospitals,

1752
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 9: creating these healthcare deserts. I mean, if the Medicaid thing

1753
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 9: goes in to effect and the hospitals can no longer

1754
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 9: rely on that revenue, it could actually be a complete catastrophe,

1755
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,679
Speaker 9: and the Republicans need to know that, but they're they're

1756
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 9: in denial.

1757
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: Would that be the medical nine eleven we're talking about?

1758
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 9: I think absolutely, Scott, that could be the disaster that

1759
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 9: finally which people up. But the problem is that once

1760
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 9: it happens, yeah, getting reversing it it may take years

1761
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 9: and people are going to die.

1762
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 10: Because of it.

1763
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: I have a family in rural Ohio. You listening, you

1764
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 2: might have that as well, or like at least you

1765
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 2: know someone because you know, we're in a big city.

1766
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 2: We're in Cincinnati, Ohio. We have Columbus, we have Cleveland.

1767
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: We have mid sized cities like Dayton and Toledo and

1768
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 2: elsewhere in our listening area. But the bulk of all

1769
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 2: eighty eight counties are pretty rural in Ohio. And I've

1770
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: seen firsthand clinics and hospitals closed because they just don't

1771
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: have the people coming in and can't afford the staffing

1772
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: and everything, all the compliance and everything else in order

1773
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 2: to operate a modern hospital. There's just it's not profitable.

1774
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people cringe at the

1775
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: states taking over health care, but I don't know, can

1776
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 2: this be? And we tell you, yeah, I look, I go,

1777
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: all right, well, we know healthcare. We've seen hospitals clothes

1778
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: in rural areas. It's happening as we speak right now.

1779
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: It doesn't get to play simply because it's flyover country.

1780
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 2: People lose all their healthcare, they lose all hope. At

1781
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: that point, we're gonna have people eyeing of things that

1782
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: were easily fixable just weeks and months and years ago

1783
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: as opposed to to right now and at some point

1784
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 2: that it's going to come to a tipping point, because

1785
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 2: you're right, these hospitals can't run profitable. But you look,

1786
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 2: listen to this can go oad a minute. If every man, woman,

1787
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 2: a child, we're spending like thirteen thousand dollars plus on

1788
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 2: average for our healthcare system. We were it's not that

1789
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: we're not spending money. Where's the money going?

1790
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well, it's going into the pockets of

1791
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 10: people like in private equity, for example, they've taken over

1792
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 10: a lot of these hospital systems and managed to bankrupt

1793
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 10: them and close them for profit. But if you recall

1794
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 10: in the book A Failure to Treat, there's a story

1795
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 10: about a baby and a parents who were trying to

1796
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 10: get their baby to a hospital in a rural early

1797
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 10: This is an affluent couple. This isn't just about this

1798
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 10: isn't just about an indigen people. This is everybody trying.

1799
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 9: To get their baby to a hospital. And when they

1800
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 9: pull up to the emergency room, the hospital had closed

1801
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 9: and they ended up having another driv another twenty five

1802
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 9: miles to get to a hospital. By the time they

1803
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 9: got there, they was beyond fixing and died and that

1804
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 9: these are true stories. This is a true story of

1805
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 9: what can happen in our healthcare system.

1806
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 10: And you're right.

1807
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 9: If that starts happening on a big, high level.

1808
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 10: Big scale, it could be.

1809
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 9: It could be the Armygeddon that you're talking about.

1810
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get the private equity element too, but

1811
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 2: they come in and go, hey, listen, you know you're

1812
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 2: not profitable, Well, we'll buy a stake, we'll buy you out,

1813
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 2: we'll take you And of course they're about squeezing the

1814
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: last remaining dollars out there. And that is the nature

1815
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: of how our enterprises, the conditions in which we engage

1816
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: in America today, of course, is capitalism. And that's the

1817
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: ugly side of it, to be sure. But you know,

1818
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,560
Speaker 2: it used to be a government be kind of like

1819
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 2: a referee in these things, and that's long since gone

1820
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 2: away with modern politics the way it is. He is

1821
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: doctor Peter Cowi. He's a cardiologist, public health expert. Failure

1822
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 2: to treat as the book and where things are headed

1823
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 2: here with our broken healthcare system that both Republicans and

1824
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 2: Democrats agree on, it's broken and has to change. There's

1825
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 2: got to be a change age in company. He believes

1826
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,799
Speaker 2: it's going to be more healthcare deserts, meaning rural hospital

1827
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 2: shutting down and people dying, uh, largely from trauma. I mean,

1828
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 2: you're telling me that people can literally bleed out because

1829
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 2: there's no physician or emergency room to treat them in

1830
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: a rural area. And we're talking about people who are

1831
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: farmers a lot of agricultural areas. And as we take

1832
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: the information super Highway and put it more rural areas

1833
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: because of the technology, well we'll see people who have

1834
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 2: met in a motor vehicle accident or you know, cut

1835
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 2: themselves of the saw that wind up dying, is what

1836
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 2: you're saying, when just a few weeks ago they could

1837
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: go to the clinic and get sutured up. That's kind

1838
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: of and it's like an almost third world It sounds like, uh.

1839
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, you know there are many areas you're write about,

1840
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 9: absolutely right about trauma. Think about obstetrical obstetrical care. How

1841
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 9: many hospitals not they might not necessarily closed, but they've

1842
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 9: closed their obstetrical programs, so women have no place to

1843
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 9: deliver their baby. And and there's many reasons for that.

1844
01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 9: For the reasons we just discussed. There's there are financial issues,

1845
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 9: but there's also liability. Now doctors are not going into obstetrics.

1846
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 9: We have a severe shortage of obstetrical physicians in the

1847
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 9: United States, especially in.

1848
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 10: The West and the Midwest.

1849
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 9: And so you're a woman, you're going to deliver your baby,

1850
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 9: you have to drive fifty miles to find someplace where

1851
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 9: they'll deliver your baby for you.

1852
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 6: Think about that.

1853
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:22,480
Speaker 2: You can hang on after your water breaks.

1854
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 9: Right, I mean, it's insane, but that's exactly what's happening.

1855
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 9: And the thing that's really maddening about this is that

1856
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 9: the public does occasionally take notice of this stuff, but

1857
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 9: they hadn't risen up to the extent that I thought

1858
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 9: that they might. And the book is really kind of

1859
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 9: a clarion call for people, the.

1860
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 10: Public as well as practitioners to speak up, to talk

1861
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 10: to their legislators, to make sure that they understand that

1862
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 10: this is an initiative they really have to deal with.

1863
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 2: He's doctor Peter Cowey's cardiologists public health expert. The book

1864
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: is a failure to treat and what things look like

1865
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 2: maybe in a not so future dystopian future for that matter,

1866
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: it sounds it's just dope being to me and like

1867
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 2: the stuff of movies. But this is reality. If things

1868
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: continue to go the way they are, the question is

1869
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 2: who wakes up and says, all right, we got to

1870
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 2: blow this thing up. You know, government subsidized healthcare costs

1871
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 2: way more money, and tell me, subsidize something. It becomes

1872
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 2: grossly more inefficient and really doesn't help those who would

1873
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 2: serve to help, because, let's face it, the insurance companies,

1874
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:21,880
Speaker 2: the middle men, are the ones taking the money from

1875
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,920
Speaker 2: the government here as the holdout continues on the other side,

1876
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 2: if we just go, well, you know what, we can't

1877
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: have socialized medicine. Well what's your alternative?

1878
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: Well?

1879
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 2: Nothing. Maybe the simple solution is as simply, and I've

1880
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 2: said this for a long time, the easiest thing to

1881
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 2: be doctor Cowie would be to take away the burden

1882
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 2: for providers like yourself. Imagine if you don't have to

1883
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,919
Speaker 2: employ an entire team behind the scenes for medical billing, coding, Medicare,

1884
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,560
Speaker 2: Medicaid and all that nonsense, and just go listen, you

1885
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,560
Speaker 2: get sick, here's how much it costs. Pay it or

1886
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 2: get for cast drivic situations, Just get catastrophic insurance and

1887
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 2: pay that much Like you do your homeowners your auto insurance,

1888
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 2: your life insurance. Go to a system like that and

1889
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 2: get your employer the health all of the business providing healthcare.

1890
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 2: I think would solve the problem.

1891
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 9: I think what you're suggesting has tremendous merit, and there

1892
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 9: are many people who believe that you're correct. That we've

1893
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 9: created an infrastructure of health insurance companies, administrators. We have

1894
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 9: more administrators in our hospital than we have nurses. Yeah,

1895
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,879
Speaker 9: to get rid of this gigantic infrastructure that we probably

1896
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 9: don't need and return to some kind of a more

1897
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 9: simplistic approach to payment. And I completely agree with your

1898
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 9: catastrophic insurance for those situations where things get a little

1899
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 9: out of control and you're very ill. But yeah, it's

1900
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 9: going to take people to wake up and have a

1901
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 9: little common sense about this, and hopefully the book and

1902
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 9: your radio program will get people.

1903
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 10: Motivated in the right now.

1904
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 2: All we have to do is eliminate the administrative and

1905
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 2: bureaucratic class that's a problem. It's too big in medical medical,

1906
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 2: it's too big in government, it's too big in schools.

1907
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 2: You name where the problem is, it's because we've got

1908
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 2: a bloated administrative and or credit class. That's the problem.

1909
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 2: All the best doctor luck with the book, Yeah.

1910
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 10: I appreciate it very much.

1911
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 9: Scott, have a good one.

1912
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 2: I've got to get a news update. Aroun a little

1913
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 2: bit late here, very lates on what's happening in Minnesota.

1914
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 2: More tragedy in our lives here. Seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.

1915
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 4: Jeez, the Princess of property, the Queen of closings.

1916
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 6: But touch us out deals. It's realistic time with Michelle Sloan,

1917
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 6: all hailed.

1918
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 10: The bestest Remax time agent I've ever met on seven

1919
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,560
Speaker 10: hundred WLW. Alright, what's going on?

1920
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 6: You'd be, well, you're starting this off on a real

1921
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 6: pleasant you know.

1922
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, well, I won't be here because I have to

1923
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 2: escort you to surgery for your knee. Get your knee

1924
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 2: cleaned up.

1925
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 6: I'm getting a second knee replacement.

1926
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 7: The left one was done six exactly six weeks ago,

1927
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 7: and mister wright Side is going to be.

1928
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 6: Going to be replaced tomorrow. And I be honest, I am.

1929
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 7: I don't know if I'm more nervous about this procedure

1930
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 7: than I was the first one, because the first one

1931
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 7: I did, really I didn't know.

1932
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 6: I knew that we were going in surgery. I knew

1933
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 6: it was going to be serious, but.

1934
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 10: Not that serious.

1935
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: It's like legos man. They just snapping and you're out there.

1936
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 6: You're walking around in a major surgery.

1937
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 2: You don't you dismiss its to be a big deal.

1938
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 2: Now it's really not that anymore.

1939
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a big deal. It's a big deal when

1940
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 6: it's your leg.

1941
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 7: They're cutting into and taking bones out and crunching things,

1942
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 7: and then you're having weeks and weeks.

1943
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 6: Of pain in your recovery.

1944
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, again, pretty blessed because these things

1945
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 2: are fixable. There's plenty of people who are sick and

1946
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 2: it's not fixable. So I will take this, you know,

1947
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 2: you know, kids will lie of the people are here,

1948
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 2: break my chops about this stuff? Are you getting old?

1949
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 1: You know?

1950
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 2: You gotta go and you have surgery done. It's like

1951
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's like having a car. You hit

1952
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars. You got to get new spark plugs,

1953
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 2: timing chain, diming belts, gotta get done. You gotta let's

1954
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 2: swap out the transmission fluid and it's one hundred thousand miles.

1955
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 9: It's like that.

1956
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 3: That's what this is.

1957
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 7: No, I do feel very blessed because the left knee

1958
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 7: has recovered to a point where for the most part

1959
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 7: it should be able to support me as I recover

1960
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 7: on the right knee.

1961
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 6: But you know, it's it's not without its concerns, and yeah.

1962
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 2: The rehab is a hard part. It's like an and

1963
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 2: I will say you are committed, because normally you give

1964
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 2: up on stuff, but this you've been like, well, no,

1965
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 2: I can't really tenacious about this whole things. Absolutely, All right,

1966
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 2: let's talk real estate related stuff, tiny, tim, what do

1967
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 2: you got?

1968
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 6: All right?

1969
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,719
Speaker 7: Well, President Trump gave us some big news, big news

1970
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 7: in the world of real estate yesterday. He announced that

1971
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:45,639
Speaker 7: some of the most aggressive housing reform in American history

1972
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 7: is on the way. He wants to prohibit large institutional

1973
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 7: investors from buying single family homes, saying that you know,

1974
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 7: homes should be owned by people and not corporations. I

1975
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 7: think that's real, really interesting, and I personally find it

1976
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 7: quite fascinating. Now, the one thing is we don't have

1977
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 7: any details. It's just him talking on yeah right when.

1978
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 9: He was on.

1979
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean anything yet, but I do think it has.

1980
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:22,719
Speaker 7: It definitely has some momentum because the stock market definitely

1981
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 7: reacted yesterday. A lot of the Democrats have said, hey,

1982
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 7: we've been telling you that we need to do this

1983
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 7: for many years, so it may have some bipartisan support,

1984
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 7: which would be very very interesting. So the one thing

1985
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,480
Speaker 7: is this is this is a quote I am immediately

1986
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 7: taking steps to ban large institutional investors from buying more

1987
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 7: single family homes.

1988
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, I feel it sounds like, yeah, I feel.

1989
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 7: Like the damage is done and the homes that these

1990
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 7: companies are holding, they're going to continue to hold, right,

1991
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 7: And so it's interesting the mega investors, so it doesn't

1992
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 7: look like they're going after he would be going after

1993
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 7: the mom and pop investors, the people that have like

1994
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:13,560
Speaker 7: fifty properties or less. They're looking for the big, the

1995
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 7: big guns. So interestingly enough, there's only thirty two institutional

1996
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 7: investors that own more than a thousand single family properties.

1997
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:28,240
Speaker 7: I find that's interesting. And you know how many properties

1998
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 7: they own?

1999
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 2: Eleventy billion?

2000
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 6: No, only about five hundred thousand across the country.

2001
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 2: Really a lot.

2002
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 6: That's like a drop in the bucket. No, yeah, that's

2003
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 6: not very many.

2004
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 7: So it may not be the impact that all of

2005
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 7: the headlines are saying, because you know, Devil's in the details.

2006
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 6: It always is.

2007
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 7: And it's really interesting because one in three in the

2008
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 7: last year, so in twenty twenty five, one in three

2009
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 7: homes were purchased by investors. But it doesn't mean that

2010
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 7: these mega investors are the ones that are buying these properties.

2011
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 6: It's the people who are.

2012
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 7: Doing the buy and flip, the people that are going

2013
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 7: to hold them and build a small portfolio so that

2014
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 7: they can help pay for their generational wealth. But it

2015
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily mean it's these big guys. So you're going

2016
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 7: after the big guys and the results interestingly on the

2017
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 7: stock market. So open Door is a company that does

2018
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 7: business in Cincinnati. They buy and sell properties. They're trading

2019
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 7: down eleven and a half percent yesterday. The stocks from

2020
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 7: some of the other big names, Blackstone, Invitation Homes and

2021
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 7: American Homes for Rent. Now, American Homes for Rent has

2022
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 7: a very big presence in the Cincinnati market, especially in Mainville.

2023
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 6: There's a couple of.

2024
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 7: Neighborhoods that have Back in the two thousand and eight

2025
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 7: two thousand and nine we had the crash and we

2026
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 7: had so many people going into foreclosure. American Homes for

2027
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 7: Rent bought a ton I mean hundreds and hundreds of

2028
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 7: properties in our area, and they are continuing to hold

2029
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 7: them and rent them for pretty high prices. And so

2030
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 7: the stocks for American homes for rent was down about

2031
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 7: seven percent yesterday. Now it may bounce back, you know,

2032
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 7: day to day, everything changes. But I find it's really

2033
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,600
Speaker 7: I think it's very very fascinating because we always have

2034
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:29,879
Speaker 7: to find a bad guy, and you look for the biggest,

2035
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 7: biggest guys or gals I suppose in the room, and

2036
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,479
Speaker 7: you look at the corporations to blame for all of

2037
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 7: the drama and the misdeeds of whoever.

2038
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 9: You know.

2039
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 6: So I think it is very interesting. I think that

2040
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 6: it is something that we're going to watch.

2041
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 7: You know, if it slows down the institutional investors from

2042
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 7: buying more single family homes, will it affect us day

2043
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 7: to day?

2044
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 6: Probably not? Probably not.

2045
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 2: I think what's interesting about a couple of things. First

2046
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 2: of all, the idea of these companies come in Blackstone whatever,

2047
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 2: and it's largely it's private equity, right, private equity. They

2048
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,559
Speaker 2: don't want generally don't want to own things long term.

2049
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 2: They want to get their money maker money, turn it,

2050
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 2: chop it up, whatever they do, you know, become vultures essentially,

2051
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 2: and that's but that's the nature. That's part of capitalism.

2052
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 2: They'll come and pick the bones and what's salvageable.

2053
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:21,600
Speaker 9: Is it?

2054
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 2: Kind of like big boy, big Boy on Okay, well,

2055
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 2: what are we gonna keep? The tartar sauce is good? Right,

2056
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna We're gonna continue to do that. Will sell

2057
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,720
Speaker 2: the pumpkin pies and everything else that's a burger. I

2058
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 2: can get that anywhere. So they take what's profitable and

2059
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 2: then turn it around. If they own this stuff right now,

2060
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 2: I would think at some point they're going to wind

2061
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 2: up exiting and getting out of this business, wouldn't they

2062
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 2: if they can't turn a high profit every quarter.

2063
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, especially since these corporations are stock driven. Yeah, you know,

2064
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 7: holding these properties long term, it could and it may

2065
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 7: put five hundred thousand properties.

2066
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 6: Now this is nationwide. That's nothing. Yeah, it's not very much.

2067
01:39:56,640 --> 01:40:00,679
Speaker 7: So if it affects the bottom line, it maybe cheaper

2068
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 7: for them to diversify and go ahead and sell off

2069
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 7: and find a new way, you know, go into more

2070
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 7: of the commercial market rather than the and they may

2071
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 7: already be in that.

2072
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 6: That's just not my expertise.

2073
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 7: I'm in the single family realm for the most part,

2074
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 7: so you know, that's it's it's very very interesting. But

2075
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 7: still one in three homes bought in twenty twenty five

2076
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 7: were purchased by investors. And again it doesn't have to

2077
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 7: be these large institutional ones. And I just I just

2078
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 7: find that it's we're always looking for a scapegoat. We're

2079
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 7: always looking for someone to blame. And you know, the

2080
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 7: big thing that we need is more inventory, and we've

2081
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 7: been saying we need more inventory. The other thing that

2082
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 7: a lot of the prognosticators who are looking at twenty

2083
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 7: twenty six, they're saying the interest rates still need to

2084
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 7: come down a little bit to make the market a

2085
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 7: little bit more balanced. And we have homes that are

2086
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 7: on the market. There are huge opportunities out there for

2087
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 7: people who want to buy a home. I think a

2088
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 7: lot of younger people don't really want to buy a

2089
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 7: home right now, and.

2090
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,320
Speaker 2: They want to rent, which opens the opportunity.

2091
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 7: For they don't want the Yeah, a lot of the

2092
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 7: younger people and I'm going to say younger people that

2093
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 7: is thirty and younger, don't want to buy because they

2094
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 7: don't want to a be tied down they don't want

2095
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 7: to have to fix stuff. They don't know how to

2096
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 7: fix stuff, they don't want to learn how to fix stuff.

2097
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 6: They want somebody else to do it.

2098
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 7: And you and you and I both know we have

2099
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 7: fewer people that are around to fix stuff. So we

2100
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 7: have an imbalance in the entire like real estate circle.

2101
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't know it.

2102
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 7: It's an interesting topic of will the you know, saying

2103
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 7: large institutional investors, so.

2104
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 2: They just get well, I think something else to look

2105
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: at is, let's let's face it. They came on following

2106
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight home foreclosure, right the the

2107
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 2: housing crisis that we had, and they came in and

2108
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 2: they swooped in and cheap because you buy cheap, sell high,

2109
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 2: that's how you make money. They bought them. When things

2110
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 2: properties are in distressed, they fix them up. They rented

2111
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:14,599
Speaker 2: them out and increase that portfolio. Okay, so we now

2112
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 2: ban that from happening. What happens if we have another

2113
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 2: housing crash at some point in the future, and then

2114
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:19,880
Speaker 2: who's going to come.

2115
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 10: In and do that?

2116
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 7: And I would rather have and we've talked about this before,

2117
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 7: rather than having a whole bunch of vacant homes. I

2118
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 7: would rather have an investor come in by it and

2119
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 7: have a family living in that home, because if you

2120
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 7: have a vacant home for long periods of time, it

2121
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,479
Speaker 7: just gets worse and worse and worse. It brings down

2122
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 7: the entire neighborhood, the entire community. So I would say

2123
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 7: some institutional and some investors actually saved the day back

2124
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 7: in two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine

2125
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 7: when our economy was really having a difficult time and

2126
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 7: the whole real estate interest industry was having you know,

2127
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 7: it was crashed, It had totally crashed, but it was

2128
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 7: because we had too much inventory. The balance was way off.

2129
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 7: Right now, our balance we are in the process of

2130
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 7: rebalancing the market. And by rebalancing the market is you know,

2131
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 7: we need a little bit more inventory guests. We need

2132
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 7: more buyers out there who are approved and able to purchase, and.

2133
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 6: They have to want to purchase.

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Speaker 7: You know, if the demand is for rentals, guess what

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Speaker 7: that's there are people out there who will provide that service.

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Speaker 7: They will provide an opportunity for you to rent. Now,

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Speaker 7: it's going to be a high price, and there are

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Speaker 7: so many people that are they are renting at twenty

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Speaker 7: five hundred dollars a month, three thousand dollars a month,

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Speaker 7: and you think that is absolutely crazy because you can

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Speaker 7: get a mortgage for that amount, and but you know

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Speaker 7: you have to pick and choose. How's your credit were.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're obviously in a renders market that's not

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01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 2: going to change anything. It time assume people who want

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01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 2: to rent rather than buy, and there's a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of factors into that. But you know, the other thing

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Speaker 2: I look at too is, you know, we talked about

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Speaker 2: these big corporations, the genius in the details like anything.

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Speaker 2: What is that definition? What what's an institutional builer? Is

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01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 2: that a publicly Is that only applied to a publicly

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01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 2: traded company? What if I don't know, you're a local

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01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 2: person and you own I don't know, a couple hundred

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01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 2: homes that you're and there's there's people in Cincinnata they're

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01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 2: doing that. You know, we're not into that that rare

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01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:25,519
Speaker 2: air ourselves. We got as many as we can handle

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Speaker 2: on our own because we're in the real estate business.

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Speaker 2: But I look at it going, Okay, well, what does

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Speaker 2: that mean for the mom and pop people like us

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01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 2: that have put sweat equity and all our savings into

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Speaker 2: real estate properties and continue to parlay that into more

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01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 2: properties to a certain point. What does that mean for

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01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 2: someone like us or you know, the little guy I

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01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 2: just you know instante here. Oh yeah, it's just the

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01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:49,439
Speaker 2: big guys a big well. Where do you draw that line?

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 6: Is it the number of properties?

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Speaker 7: So if you own a thousand, we don't know, more

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Speaker 7: so then they're going to own nine hundred nights.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna apply to you, but then

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Speaker 2: then again, you never know. And I'll leave with the

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01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 2: final point on this thing too. Here's a parallel for you.

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01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 2: When it comes to careful what you wish for, you

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01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,720
Speaker 2: might just get it all right, No, institutional investors, we

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Speaker 2: have another market to you know, housing market tanks in

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Speaker 2: the future. At some point, what do you do then,

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01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,799
Speaker 2: Who's going to come in and buy stuff at distressed

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Speaker 2: prices and turn it around and reset the market. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of like we see this ourselves because we own

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Speaker 2: a couple town homes that are involved with hoa's and

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01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 2: it's kind of interest because the hoa's generally made up

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01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 2: of older residents and they don't like renters for whatever reason.

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Speaker 2: And I could see, you know, some some sort of

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01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,760
Speaker 2: distrust there because they're transient, but they don't want to

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Speaker 2: so they'll they'll ban you from renting properties in the future.

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Speaker 2: The grands father, then they'll do everything to try and

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01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 2: drive you out of the neighborhood. If your own properties

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01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 2: at rent, okay, great, we're only going to what happens

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01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 2: when you have a recession. And okay, so instead of

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01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 2: someone coming in and renting it and taking care of

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01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 2: the property, now you have all these vacant properties next

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01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,000
Speaker 2: to you, your neighbors who are quote unquote owners, not renters,

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Speaker 2: and they can no longer pay their mortgage and they default.

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01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,120
Speaker 2: That's going to drive your property values down even more

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Speaker 2: than the renters. Would you need that in those And

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Speaker 2: I think it's very short sighted of a lot of

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Speaker 2: people to go, we want no renters in Urha. Well,

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Speaker 2: guess what when the market tanks, you're gonna wish you

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Speaker 2: had renters.

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Speaker 7: Well, and that has that has changed so much in

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Speaker 7: the last fifteen years since the stock market crash. So

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Speaker 7: many condos and it's really mostly the condos with the

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Speaker 7: condo the really strong monthly condo associations where they're banning

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01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:29,720
Speaker 7: renters because they just don't know who their neighbors are necessarily,

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01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 7: so it's some of the old.

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Speaker 2: Nobody does anymore look in the neighborhood. Now you don't

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Speaker 2: know your neighbors are.

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Speaker 6: What's the different, right right?

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Speaker 7: But now I mean as condos and as properties age,

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Speaker 7: the HOA fees have gone up so dramatically over the

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Speaker 7: years because the cost of keeping these places updated. So

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Speaker 7: it is not uncommon to have an HOA of three

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Speaker 7: hundred and fifty dollars a month, plus you.

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Speaker 6: Have to pay the mortgage.

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Speaker 7: Again, we're going to get to that point where one

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Speaker 7: may start to struggle quite a bit because there are

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Speaker 7: there are nice ways. There are not nice reasons to

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Speaker 7: own a condo because you don't have as much of

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01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 7: the maintenance that you have to take care of yourself

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01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 7: on the exterior and that sort of thing. But at

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Speaker 7: the same time, can you avoid the mortgage plus an

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Speaker 7: additional three hundred and fifty dollars a month for HOA,

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Speaker 7: plus the taxes, plus the this and the plus the that.

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Speaker 7: So you may find more condos being vacant for longer

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Speaker 7: periods of time, and if there again, I feel the

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Speaker 7: worst property is one that is not lived in, and

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Speaker 7: I would rather one hundred thousand percent have somebody who's

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Speaker 7: living in it, whether they're renting it or owning it,

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Speaker 7: than having a vacant home next to me, because honestly,

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Speaker 7: it's just a call for trouble.

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Speaker 2: Right all right, So President Trump saying he wants to

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Speaker 2: ban Wall Street investments, institutional investors, and single family homes.

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Speaker 2: Will see how this plays out. My wife Michelle Slan

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Speaker 2: has more in this at Sloan Sales homes dot com

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Speaker 2: and her blog it via YouTube, and of course or's

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio podcast on iHeartRadio app you can download as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, Love you gotta go, gotta go get ready

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Speaker 2: for your surgery tomorrow. Yes sir, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: that entails, but good luck to you. I'll be home

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Speaker 2: a little bit, okay, Right there you go, Love you

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Speaker 2: gotta go. Got Willy on the way coming up next

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Speaker 2: right afterday news update, the very latest in Minnesota. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it's a big story today. The everything you need to

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Speaker 2: know happens in about four minutes here on seven hundred

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Speaker 2: W dobty.

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Speaker 10: Since that