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Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of Mace in your Face now.

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Speaker 2: Along with college Football.

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Speaker 3: Immortality, Glenn Mason. Here's Dan Morero.

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Speaker 4: Barrow outguards you in a lot of confusion. Dan's not

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Speaker 4: here today. It's not Wednesday. It's not Wednesday at four,

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Speaker 4: it's Tuesday at five.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: But there's Glenn Mason, brought to you by Jack's Cafe.

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Speaker 2: It's great to see you.

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Speaker 3: How are you. I'm great. You know you got to

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Speaker 3: be flexible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always said in coaching, you got to be

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Speaker 1: flexible in this business.

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Speaker 3: I guess you gotta be flexible and got a lot

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Speaker 3: of movie parts. It's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: And you know Barrow sometimes now you see him now

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Speaker 1: you don't.

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Speaker 3: God knows where he is.

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Speaker 4: It's December. You know you got vacation time to use.

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Speaker 4: Do you get vacation days when you're a coach?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Do they work those into your contract?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 4: Do you get four weeks of vacation like the rest

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Speaker 4: of us working stiffs?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't defined. You know, we took, you know,

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Speaker 1: some time off during the summer. I can tell you this.

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Speaker 3: One time I sat down, I must say my job

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Speaker 3: was any tougher anybody. So the time commit was great.

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Speaker 1: But I went over the course of about three or

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Speaker 1: four years and I looked back and I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how many free weekends did you have? And free weekend

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Speaker 1: was defined as that you didn't have anything to do

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Speaker 1: until after work on Friday until Monday morning. And the

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Speaker 1: average was twelve. You know, it's on twelve weeks, just

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Speaker 1: twelve weekends. Because you know, you yep, you know, you

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Speaker 1: got recruiting, you got the season, you got summer practice,

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Speaker 3: That's really not a lot.

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Speaker 4: I want to start with this tweet from Adam Weber,

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Speaker 4: who I think you know fairly well, Adam Weber. Adam Weber,

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Speaker 4: I've heard of him. Yeah, he's one of the all

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Speaker 4: time greats.

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Speaker 3: And before I.

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Speaker 1: Said it, you know, I him out of high school

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Speaker 1: went to early retirement. But I thought he was really

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Speaker 1: the missing piece to our offense. And we've talked a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had really good offense, and people we

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Speaker 1: ran the ball better than anybody in the big tank. Consistently.

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Speaker 1: We threw the ball a lot better than anybody thought.

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Speaker 1: We I mentioned a number of Times were the first

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Speaker 1: team to throw for two thousand run for two thousand,

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Speaker 3: Years in a row. But Adam would have given us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I mean, I was just licking my chops.

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Speaker 1: I really I couldn't wait. He you know, we didn't

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Speaker 1: need him. He wasn't really ready to play as a freshman,

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Speaker 1: but he would have been the next year and he

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Speaker 4: I would say his career where he threw for over

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Speaker 4: ten thousand yards despite having fifty two different coaches every year,

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Speaker 4: validated your opinion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he was. He was that guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was something specially he came from good Stock.

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Speaker 1: His dad, Bobby Weaver, was a great player, you know,

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Speaker 1: great punt return. I'm not sure that Adam would have

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Speaker 1: You could just see he had star written all over.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a that's fact versus fiction. That's fact.

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Speaker 4: I can't argue with anything you said, he tweeted two

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Speaker 4: days ago. Great night celebrating Greg Aslinger on his College

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame induction. Awesome stories, lots of laughs, and

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Speaker 4: a great time with alumni and coach Mason. Thanks to

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Speaker 4: Steve Davis for pulling it together. And I look at

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Speaker 4: the picture.

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Speaker 3: It's great.

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Speaker 4: I see Steve Davis there, I see Mike Sherylls obviously

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Speaker 4: I know that place. That's Jack's Cafe. Where else would

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Speaker 4: you go for a great night of laughs and stories.

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Speaker 1: No, you know what, Bill Coles did a great job

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Speaker 1: setting us up there, and we had a great time,

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Speaker 1: a great dinner, and uh, you know this to sit

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Speaker 1: around with those quality guys, great football players, but quality

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Speaker 3: I want, I want you to I want you to.

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Speaker 1: Know, uh, but guys that really get it. And Greg

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Speaker 1: You know, winning the Outland Trophy, running the award for

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Speaker 1: the outstanding lineman in the best center in college football.

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Speaker 1: And he said, you know, it wasn't about me, it

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Speaker 3: And he brought it all together. But what was really

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Speaker 1: You've heard me say a number of times about I

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Speaker 1: firmly personally believe college football is broke with.

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Speaker 3: The transfer portal in the NIL. Everything is going on.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to begrudge any players making money

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Speaker 1: because they've been short changed for a long long time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody was getting rich except the players. They were the

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Speaker 1: most most important thing. But he talked about what was

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Speaker 1: but they wouldn't have what these guys have. Sure, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, the memories of those relationships far outweigh the

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Speaker 1: great night, It really was. And you know, you have

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Speaker 1: to do it more often. Yeah, I miss those guys,

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Speaker 1: must sure they missed me, but I missed them.

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Speaker 4: Well, how many are there any? Do you learn things

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Speaker 4: about the team twenty years later that.

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Speaker 3: You didn't know?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, things that happened or oh yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: like anything you can share.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's you know, it's it's kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: what goes on at Jack stays at Jacks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we weren't invited Churchill Room, Jack's Cafe. Like

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Speaker 4: I'm tight with Sheryls, I'm tight with Webber. I don't

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Speaker 4: know the other guys where Steve Davis says to him

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Speaker 1: With those guys, but you didn't, you know, you didn't

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Speaker 3: Right, you're not privileged to it.

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Speaker 4: But I still go through with you. I mean they

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you get to those things. I

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Speaker 1: really believe in the adage. You know, God gave you

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Speaker 1: two ears and one mouth for a reason. If you

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Speaker 1: keep your mouth shut and listen, you learn a lot

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Speaker 1: more things than And every once in a while the

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, you know, and they're funny now,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we talk about how things have changed

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Speaker 3: Maybe there are. But Greg brought up.

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Speaker 1: One time he walked into al'st for breakfast. Great place, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I was in there, having a cup of coffee, probably

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Speaker 3: And they all laughed. That would have been a big deal.

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Speaker 1: You know. Coach buys a guy a piece of toast,

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Speaker 3: And those things have changed.

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Speaker 2: What did you eat at Jack's, That's what I want

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Speaker 2: to know.

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Speaker 3: I had the prime rib I had.

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Speaker 1: I had the prime rib so good, and a baked

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Speaker 1: potato and and uh I had one adel budfege. I

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Speaker 4: So that's good. Match Books is the whole bit. Did

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Speaker 4: you get special match books? Yeah, we're just going through

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Speaker 3: Experience with Andeslinger took them all. That's great. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: hour mass here until the top of the six o'clock hour.

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Speaker 2: When we come back.

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Speaker 4: I do want to talk coaching searches, coaching carousel when

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Speaker 4: you are a coach that has a job and another

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Speaker 4: get Mace's thoughts on that. Maybe I'll talk a little

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Speaker 4: college football playoff as well, Heisman Trophy. You can hit

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Speaker 4: Got some great questions to the Brad Shawn Bryan Cafe

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Speaker 4: will get to with Mace maybe a little bit later

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Speaker 4: this segment or in the final segment before we are

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Speaker 4: done with Mace. At the top of the hour, he

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Speaker 4: joins his usual weekly appearance thanks to Jack's Cafe. Guards

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Speaker 4: again for Berrero today. One follow up from our last segment, Mace.

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Speaker 4: This is from nine to five to two. Great Now,

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Speaker 4: after the Owl's breakfast scandal, we're going to lose scholarships

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Speaker 4: in vacate Mace's wins.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for that.

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Speaker 2: Because you had to buy a slinger some pancakes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I doubt that's a problem anymore.

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Speaker 4: We're going to sell report that. Like you said, I

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Speaker 4: don't know if there's any rules or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: Coaching carousel. You were in studio ten minutes after we

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Speaker 4: got the news that Sharon Moore would be fired for

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Speaker 3: I love it at ASU, but you can read.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think back.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the real indictment what I'm saying is not

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Speaker 3: I remember, I remember being a kid going to the

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Speaker 3: final four.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everything was awesome.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem with you, because integrity doesn't go into vocabulary.

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Speaker 2: We don't know where that banner is. We can't find that.

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Speaker 4: One last thing on this topic in general, the coaching carousel.

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Speaker 4: How was it difficult to thread the needle of like,

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Speaker 4: let's say, did you ever get a call during the season?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, you.

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Speaker 4: Know the old adages you chase two rabbits bolts will

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Speaker 4: to escape.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have can tell you what school but that's fine.

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Speaker 1: I got a call from I'll tell you what conference

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Speaker 1: they were in, the Pac twelve, A good one, okay,

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Speaker 1: And uh, I got a call and they had made

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Speaker 1: a coaching change early. And I got a call from

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Speaker 1: someone that I knew that I used to work with,

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Speaker 1: that was at a different school, that knew that athletic director,

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Speaker 1: and they wanted to know if I was interested in

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Speaker 1: the job.

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Speaker 3: Because they were interested me.

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Speaker 1: They want to offer me the job contingent on the

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Speaker 1: end of the season. And I quite just said, you know,

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Speaker 1: I won't even talk about it. I won't feel the

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Speaker 1: phone call. I won't even make a comment. I'm coaching

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Speaker 1: this football team, pure and simple.

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Speaker 3: Boom.

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Speaker 1: And then uh, the monday after the last game, I

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Speaker 1: got the call from the same person said, well, okay,

473
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Speaker 1: the season's over.

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Speaker 3: What's your answer, And I said, I'm not interested.

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Speaker 1: And so that's the only time I was involved in

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Speaker 1: one of those things during during the season.

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Speaker 4: I think you would have done well at UCLA, No,

478
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Speaker 4: it was easy. I think you would have done well

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Speaker 4: at Stanford. I think he would have done great at Washington.

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Speaker 4: I think you should have given it a shot.

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Speaker 3: I think he was well in retrospect. I didn't know

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Speaker 3: I was going to be retired earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the problem. Let's get to a couple

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Speaker 2: of texts here.

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Speaker 4: We'll go to forty two with Mace, brought to you

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Speaker 4: by Jack's Cafe.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Chris.

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Speaker 4: Cleman retiring in part at Kansas State due to the

489
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Speaker 4: changing landscape and college athletics. His athletic director Gene Taylor,

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Speaker 4: who used to be in North Dakota State. That's where

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Speaker 4: those two played. And I got to know Jan just

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Speaker 4: a little bit from my passings in Fargo. You've probably

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Speaker 4: know a lot of Jean Taylor fans from your comings

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Speaker 4: and goings in Fargo. Basically went on a rant a

495
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Speaker 4: few weeks ago and said we're gonna lose more. Chris

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Speaker 4: Clemens if this thing doesn't go get under control. I

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Speaker 4: have to imagine you agree with a lot of what

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Speaker 4: was said there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I think that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what into coach climbing making a decision

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Speaker 1: that he did. But I how how old is he?

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not really sure, but mid fifties to

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Speaker 1: walk away from those coaching it's a good coaching job

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Speaker 1: and getting paid a lot of money. It's got to

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Speaker 1: be the frustration I've always thought. I personally, I don't

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Speaker 1: know this, but I think Nick Saban retired not because

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Speaker 1: he was tired of coaching. And I don't think he

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Speaker 1: worried about the nil in the sec. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's worried. I think he worried about the portal because Nick, say,

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Speaker 1: if you watch Nick Saban, he was at a place.

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Speaker 1: He did a great job at coaching, great job recruiting,

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Speaker 1: He got great players. But Nick was a tough guy.

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Speaker 1: He ran a tight ship. It was Nick Saban way

514
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Speaker 1: or the highway. And I think he realized smartly that

515
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Speaker 1: he couldn't do that anymore because when he'd loaded the

516
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Speaker 1: hammer on a guy, guys he'd leave sure, and they

517
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Speaker 1: goes to other place or get He'd have to constantly

518
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Speaker 1: being recruiting them all the time rather than just recruit

519
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Speaker 1: until you get them because they've been brought off his campus.

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Speaker 1: So at his age and his financial situation, he started

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Speaker 1: to go. I think that's probably why had something to

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Speaker 1: do with Mike Krzyzewski retired. No doubt in all those

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Speaker 1: basketball Jay Wright, Roy Williams, I think they got the

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Speaker 1: place say, hey, this isn't the this isn't the game

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Speaker 1: that I know. I'm not talking about the game, but

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Speaker 1: the recruiting game and running a program.

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Speaker 3: And it's I think.

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Speaker 1: So the guys that are a little bit older, uh,

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Speaker 1: financially stable and haven't been brought up in this environment,

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Speaker 1: they say this is crazy. Uh. Now, if I was

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Speaker 1: a younger guy, even though I wouldn't agree what was

532
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Speaker 1: going on, you'd have to play the game.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the rule. You didn't make the rules.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is, and you'd have to do it

535
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Speaker 1: or you're not going to coach. And it's hard to

536
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Speaker 1: walk away from from jobs that are paying millions of

537
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Speaker 1: dollars a year because it's an unreal world. People don't

538
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Speaker 1: make that type of money outside fifty eight. Chris Climbing

539
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Speaker 1: is fifty eight years old. Another question here from six

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Speaker 1: to one to two.

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Speaker 4: My question for Mason your face is what did he

542
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Speaker 4: look for in a quarterback? And why were you so

543
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Speaker 4: successful in running the ball? Just from like Gary Holman

544
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Speaker 4: or John Glenn one of your friends, I have to

545
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Speaker 4: say a cheap shot, that's true. I get in this

546
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Speaker 4: chair and I'm morphed.

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Speaker 3: That's that's that's that's a cheap show. You know.

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Speaker 1: I was one of those guys that at the place

549
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Speaker 1: that I was, I was more interested in recruit and

550
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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about when his hey coach Kent State,

551
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Speaker 1: Kansas and Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: I was in the recruit the best player.

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Speaker 1: I could not the guy that fit my program, you know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I thought it made better sense for me to recruit

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Speaker 1: a guy that was better and adjust the program to him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, makes sense. And that's why. And you've heard me

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Speaker 3: I said last week.

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Speaker 1: If I had been a smarter coach when we had

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Speaker 1: Brian Kopita, I would have ran everything out of out

560
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Speaker 1: of the shotgun would I would have been the inventor.

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Speaker 3: Of the pistol. I wasn't. When I saw somebody else,

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Speaker 3: I said, that's a genius.

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Speaker 1: That's what I should have done, you know, because I

564
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Speaker 1: could have run the inside zone, the outside zone, all

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Speaker 1: the running game, and he could have taken the snap

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Speaker 1: shotgun stuff because that's all he did in high school.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we had we adjusted quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: But I was a firm believer that you had to

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Speaker 1: have the ability to run the football, and we really

570
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Speaker 1: developed keyword developed good offensive lineman. You know, one of

571
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Speaker 1: the things gres Greg Esling had brought up the other day.

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Speaker 1: He says, you know, I he thanked me. He said,

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Speaker 1: I was a no star player at a biz bark,

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Speaker 1: North Dakota, and I show up barely weighing two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty pounds, and I started as a freshman. You know, now,

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Speaker 1: when I recruited him off from scholarship this summer, I

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Speaker 1: had no idea that he would be a I was

578
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Speaker 1: the recruit as a fullback.

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Speaker 3: He was too small to be a center.

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Speaker 1: Now he grew a little bit, and I didn't have

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Speaker 1: any idea that he could play that position as good

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Speaker 1: as he could.

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Speaker 3: Because he was a great.

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Speaker 1: Center from the day that he started as a freshman,

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Speaker 1: as was Mark Ceastrom that played next to him at guard.

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Speaker 1: But we looked at our offensive lines were not that big,

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Speaker 1: but they were athletic and the execution they understood what

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Speaker 1: was going on.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Esslinger brought up, he was

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Speaker 1: out there in Denver with Brian Hamilton at the same

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Speaker 1: time and he says, they guys used to talk all

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Speaker 1: the time. He says, you know, we used to really

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Speaker 1: run the ball, and our offense was a lot simpler

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Speaker 1: than the Broncos were running the ball. You know, we

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Speaker 1: ran inside and outside, don't know, we blocked it multiple ways,

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Speaker 1: and we were probably the first team in college football

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Speaker 1: that really utilized pull in the center because we had

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Speaker 1: a unique guy there in Eslinger. But going back to

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Speaker 1: the question the number the number one important thing for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, I always thought it was decision making, and

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Speaker 1: so in evaluating a guy, you know, they obviously they

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Speaker 1: had to have the ability, you know, to throw the ball,

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Speaker 1: but they had to be smart. They had to be

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Speaker 1: able to make the checks and offense, and they had

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Speaker 1: to make the right decisions. So, because you got to

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Speaker 1: avoid losing before you can win, and there's no position

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Speaker 1: they can get you beat quicker than the quarterback making

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Speaker 1: bad decisions.

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Speaker 4: Along those lines, the quarterback position, we got the word

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Speaker 4: the news because it's twenty twenty five that Drake Lindsay's

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Speaker 4: coming back to the University of Minnesota. I never really

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Speaker 4: thought it was much of a question. It doesn't sound

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Speaker 4: like he really thought it was much of a question.

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Speaker 4: But it's twenty twenty five. I just saw a story

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Speaker 4: today that Arch Manning's going back to Texas. Because that's

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Speaker 4: how it goes. He didn't turn the ball over in

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Speaker 4: the month of November. He had very few turnovers as

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Speaker 4: a freshman. Half of his interceptions were the Iowa game

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Speaker 4: that went pair shaped. I mean, just kind of your

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Speaker 4: observations of Drake, and obviously that's a pretty big deal

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Speaker 4: to have that piece.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a really good player. I think

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Speaker 1: I even said on this show, when I look at

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Speaker 1: guys and I've seen, you know, I saw Drake Lindsay

626
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Speaker 1: play a couple of times on TV. I never saw him.

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Speaker 1: I saw him once in person. But when I try

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Speaker 1: to equate, I used to think, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: took Drake Lindsey and you put him at Ohio State

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Speaker 1: with that supporting cast, just think how much better to be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about the wide receivers they have,

632
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Speaker 1: because he can really.

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Speaker 2: Know the a Heisman finalist like Julian Sayan was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: Now if I if I was evaluating him, the only

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Speaker 1: thing I'd have him marked down.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he has good mobility, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean I always liked if you watch a lot

639
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Speaker 1: of football, it's amazing to me how many quarterbacks big big.

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Speaker 3: Plays because with their legs.

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Speaker 1: Sure and when they take off and run and broke

642
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Speaker 1: and play or whatever. That's not good coaching, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Right, that's just good athletic abuilding. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if you have a guy that can do if

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Speaker 1: a guy like Drake Lindsay, if he could do the

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Speaker 1: things that he did, but also could be a force

647
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Speaker 1: and pulling the ball and running, it's that much more dangerous.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: One more segment with Mace.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about the college football playoff as

651
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Speaker 4: well as the Heisman Trophy was awarded like we all expected,

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Speaker 4: the top two Heisman Trophy finalists, one from Indiana on

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Speaker 4: one from Vanderbilt. Just how it always goes in college football.

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Speaker 4: Indiana and Vanderbilt have everything and the rest of us

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Speaker 4: have nothing. A final segment with Mace in your face

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Speaker 4: My final Seguey sent her face guards again from Barrero today.

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00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 4: I'll be back in tomorrow. You always come armed with

664
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 4: a laundry list of thoughts and ideas.

665
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: I don't know about a laundry list, but I know

666
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: your ideas from your jacks, and I see your kids here.

667
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: Your beautiful wife reminds me of Christmas coming up. And

668
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: you know I used to hate to go out and

669
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: shop and all that stuff.

670
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: You know I did. I got it all out of

671
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: the way today.

672
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: You know what, Oh did you?

673
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I stopped and saw my good friend Molly McDonald.

674
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: She has a store.

675
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you want Mycroft. I don't really nice.

676
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: But if you ever want to buy something really nice

677
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: for somebody, Okay, go in there. It's if they get

678
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: something from high Croft, they know it's it's pretty special.

679
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: I'm not buying you anything.

680
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, you have any gift cards I

681
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: can borrow? I mean, I'm interested. I don't know, but

682
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: high dollar I don't know if I've got don't make

683
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: the mace money.

684
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pretty tired. I'm gonna fix things.

685
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: Hey, But you know what talking about before, talked about

686
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: players coming back. You know, every time we've talked about

687
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: Dan's brought up at creens. I don't I didn't get

688
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: involved in recred I didn't want to talk about recruiting.

689
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: Right, everybody gets all excited five.

690
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: Star guy, four star guy, and I and I saw,

691
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: I think yesterday or today where uh, a four star,

692
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: four star player for the Golphers left. Okay, now that's

693
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: not an indictment of the Gophers. That happens to every program.

694
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, I'm sure everybody was high five.

695
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: And when he signed with the Gophers a couple of

696
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: years ago, I didn't know where he's from and on

697
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: his name, I probably didn't play because he was four stars.

698
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: It's it's meaningless the stars. The stars are yeah, well

699
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: now more than ever two because it is so easy.

700
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 4: And I think you're talking about ten a Egeball. You

701
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: had a good, good your for him because Darius Taylor

702
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: was hurt recruit him out of Pennsylvania. You red shirts

703
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 4: gets an opportunity this year, plays well, and he's apparently

704
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: got a better.

705
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: Opportunity somewhere else, And that's what happens.

706
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's That's probably why climbing is getting

707
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: hatted coaching, and that's why I I'm.

708
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: Glad I'm not coaching anymore. It's crazy.

709
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: I you know, anytime I want to call up our

710
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: good friend Todd Anderson in order up one of those

711
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: cars from carry Limo and take a trip, I take

712
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: a trip.

713
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do whatever you want.

714
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

715
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

716
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: And Todd's never transferred, He's forever.

717
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got he's got no cut cut What.

718
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: Is any other issues before we get into some.

719
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: Text or got some topics you like the uh, everybody

720
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: watched the Penn State job, yep, with great anticipation.

721
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: It was the first job to open up, I think,

722
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: and one of them. Yeah, and it was the.

723
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: First big one to open up for sure. And no,

724
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: I guess Virginia take open first, but I mean the first,

725
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, Penn State's bigger, yeah, blue blood job opened up.

726
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: And then probably the last one that that closed except

727
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: for Michigan now. And you know Matt Campbell from Iowa State.

728
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: He had great, great success down there, well respected from Mason, Ohio.

729
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: So he's going back to you know, his neck of

730
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: the woods. And they've got a lot of resources at

731
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: at Penn State. And be the difference is, though, you know,

732
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: the expectation is going to be a lot higher. Sure,

733
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: you know, really he did a great job at Ive State.

734
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: No one could do a better job than he did there.

735
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: But now when you go to to a place like

736
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: Penn State, you know, win in ten games a year,

737
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: that didn't cut it. Yeah, and you got to just

738
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: beating the people you're supposed to be. It's not going

739
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: to get it done. And his measuring stick is going

740
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: to be can he be the High State?

741
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: Right? Because Franklin couldn't do it.

742
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: He did it once on a block field goal, but

743
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: other than that, that's going to be the measuring stick,

744
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: you know. And he knows that, and he's gonna go

745
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: in there and he's gonna have to work every day

746
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be his built in rival right there,

747
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: you know.

748
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 3: And uh, and I wish him good luck.

749
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: Is the heck of a guy, quality guy, and uh,

750
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: you'll probably get it done.

751
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

752
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: The people have always said the uh, we'd love to

753
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: see what a guy like that could do with those resources, right,

754
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: that's what you always hear. That's right, and that that

755
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: cuts both ways though, But you're when you take that job,

756
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 4: you're not surprised by it, right. It's not like he's

757
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: waking up in state college and going, oh man, they

758
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 4: want me to win a lot of games here. Did

759
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: you ever wish you because you mentioned the places you

760
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: coached Kent State, Kansas, Minnesota, places that needed to be

761
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 4: built right, that didn't have, you know, great tradition, great expectations.

762
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 4: Obviously you mentioned you interview for the Ohio State job.

763
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: That makes a ton of sense. This is a stupid question.

764
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: Won't be my first or last. Do you ever wish

765
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 4: you got a chance to coach at a place where

766
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: it's like they had everything?

767
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I did have the Georgia job.

768
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: You know, I know that's the other one and I

769
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: and I changed my mind in that, but I don't know.

770
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, the thing about it is everything is unique,

771
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: different challenges, and you do get a lot of satisfaction

772
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: when you go into a place, you know, and it

773
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: sounds like I'm patting myself in the back, and maybe

774
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I am. But you know, Kent State wasn't winning when

775
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: I went there and we won. Kansas wasn't winning, and

776
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 1: then we won and went you know, ended up ninth

777
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: in the country. In Minnesota had been to a Bowl

778
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: game forever. I'm losing seasons and changing coaches, and and

779
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: so when you turn programs around, would you like it

780
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: done a little bit better? Well, sure, would you like

781
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: to add a little bit more to work with. But

782
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: I had the advantage because I had also been on

783
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: the other side. I coached at Ohio State, you know,

784
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: and I got to be honest with you know, you

785
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: went in there when you we played, you know, we played.

786
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: Eleven games back then, you know.

787
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, when you walked in

788
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: middle of July, first day of your meetings.

789
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: You had nine wins, right, yeah, you did. Unless you

790
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 3: messed up. Yeah, I mean really messed up.

791
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: Because those other games that you were playing them, if

792
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: you played good and they played great, you still probably won.

793
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: Right Now, if you played great, they got killed. Now

794
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 3: if they.

795
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: Played great and you, you know, didn't play very well,

796
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: sure you could get beat. But what I'm saying is

797
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: that you were measured on a different standard, and you

798
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: had you had great satisfaction. If you're at a high state,

799
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: if you beat Michigan, won the Big Ten, and you

800
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: went to the Rose Bowl. Back in those days, anything

801
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: short of that was was just an average year.

802
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 2: Did the right player win the Heisman Trophy?

803
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 3: I think so, Yeah, I agree with you, Yeah, without

804
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: a doubt.

805
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: And you know, more often than not, it's an individual award,

806
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: but it reflects team accomplishments. And I don't know if

807
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: if the you know, if you if you would translate

808
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: the Heisman trophy to the most valuable player who was

809
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: a more valuable player in college football than him.

810
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: I think the top two guys are your answers right

811
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: from Vanderbilt.

812
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I you know one thing, I thought.

813
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: That hit that Mendoza took on the first or second

814
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: play of the game, and I think most people thought

815
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: he was done, Yeah, okay, and he got up and

816
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: he played the whole game and he played well.

817
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: If you don't think he's not tough.

818
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: And when I always liked I when I coached, I

819
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: like tough guys. I didn't want guys that acted tough

820
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: or talk tough, just guys.

821
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: That were tough.

822
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: And I heard his acceptance speech for the Heisman and

823
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: he kind of reflected to the you know it, you

824
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: know you don't.

825
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: You don't have to be loud to be tough.

826
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: That guy's a tough, good football player that's got his

827
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: head on straight family values. Uh and uh he's not

828
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: full of himself, if you know what I mean, total

829
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: not look at me here, I am behind the Heisman trophy.

830
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

831
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: And the way that his team, his teammates rallied around

832
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: him because I think that they really realized without him,

833
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: we're not there, right, And as I think it's those

834
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: two stories were the greatest stories in college football this year,

835
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: Indiana and Vanderbilt.

836
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: I thought he put himself atop the list with the

837
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: Penn State game. How he brought him back in that

838
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 4: game if you remember, unbelievable throws, the great catch, maybe

839
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 4: the catch of the century in college football, absolutely, but

840
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 4: then the Big Ten title game, just I mean, we

841
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: talked about Ohio State's defense, I think every week, right,

842
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: nobody was scoring on it. And Indiana didn't light him

843
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: up either. No, no, no, you make the throws. You have

844
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: to make even the last throw kind of on the

845
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 4: last dagger drive where that was it they.

846
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: Sealed the game. It was.

847
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: But that's like Signette, he said, what do you say?

848
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 3: He said, I was coaching to win. I wasn't coaching

849
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: not to lose.

850
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: And that really resonated with me because way back when

851
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: when I was an assistant at a high State. I

852
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: visited Penn State one spring practice and Joe Paturna was

853
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: there and we went to lunch and he said to me,

854
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, he said, I feel sorry for what he hayes.

855
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: And I said, why do you see it? Feel sorry

856
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: for what he hayes? He said, because the pressure at

857
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: a highest state what he coaches not to lose rather

858
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: than to win, and coaching the wins a lot more fun.

859
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: And you and you think.

860
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: About what he hates at a high state three yards

861
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: and a cloud of dust, and you know, would play

862
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: games close to the vest, and would let the other

863
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: guy make a mistake, you know. And I never forgot that.

864
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: And then that one year, in fact, we did two

865
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: years in a row. We started the game with an

866
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: on side kick against Joe Patterna. I was there and

867
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: and happy value we.

868
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: Won the game. I wasn't there. I wasn't at that one.

869
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 3: I was at the next one. And that was at home. Yeah,

870
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: we did two years in a row. And that was

871
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: the year that.

872
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: Joe Paturna invited me to stay and come over at

873
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: Dinner's house with all his supporters, which I did. And

874
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: this this is building for a couple of years, and

875
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: I did that. I had a friend of mine from Wichita.

876
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: I had a jet there, so I went over there.

877
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: But we went over there, he invited me to go

878
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: downstairs before the people came and sat there and he said,

879
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, before we have a drink, I want to

880
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Speaker 1: let you know something.

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Speaker 3: I said, what's that?

882
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: He says, starting a game with an on side kick

883
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: is cheating. And I said, well, you got yourself to

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00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: blame for that. He said, what are you talking about?

885
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: I said, and I told him that story and I

886
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: said I was coaching to win. And he said I

887
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Speaker 1: should keep my big mask.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good way to end it.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you. I won't see you next week.

890
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: Dan is back.

891
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 4: I will be in Phoenix for the Rate Bull. It's

892
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: not the Guaranteed Rate Bowl anymore. Gophers versus New Mexico,

893
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 4: the Lobos, the Lobos.

894
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Speaker 3: I got a great story about the Lobos too. But

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00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: I'll say that for Dan save it is he to

896
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: be here. That's that's Christmas Eve, isn't it.

897
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, he won't be Maybe he'll come in on Tuesday

898
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Speaker 4: or something, because I know he's working Monday and Tuesday.

899
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 3: I'm here all week, so we will. I'm available. I'm committed.

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Speaker 3: We will.

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00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: We appreciate that. Yeah, we appreciate that. I'm glad you

902
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: had a great dinner at Jack's. Looks fun.

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00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 4: Thanks for the stories, the fun, the laughs, and we'll

904
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: see you in the new year.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, you're a very lucky man. You

906
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Speaker 1: have a wife and kids like that. You got no problems.

907
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Speaker 4: I wonder if the nine year old agrees with you.

908
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 4: He's looking he's looking a little suspect right now. I

909
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: appreciate it. MAT's good to see you. That is Glenn Mason.

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00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: Thanks as always to our great partners at Jack's Cafe.

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00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: We are out a little early tonight because we've got

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00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 4: the Wild against the Capitals coming up at seven o'clock,

913
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 4: which means we've got to get Vikings Country in right

914
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Speaker 4: around six fifteen, so it will be our final segment

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Speaker 4: of the show when we continue.

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Speaker 5: Cafan welcomes Trans Siberian Orchestra for two amazing shows at

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Speaker 5: Target Center on December twenty eighth at three pm and

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Speaker 5: seven thirty pm. Tickets are on sale now. Get complete

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Speaker 5: show details, including a link to buy tickets at cafan

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Speaker 5: dot com.

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Speaker 7: Qyred Calendar.

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Speaker 4: Show wrapp is presented by American Pressure commercial grade pressure

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Speaker 4: washers since nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 3: It's the Bumper to Bumper show run.

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Speaker 4: We're out about seven minutes from now because we've got

926
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Speaker 4: Vikings programming to get in before Minnesota Wild pregame coverage.

927
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 4: It's the Wild in Capitals tonight. The Queenn Hughes Era

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Speaker 4: continues at Grand Casino Arena Guardsian today. I'll be back

929
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Speaker 4: in tomorrow. Karas Savage is here. You've just been hanging

930
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 4: out for the last two hours since You've got everything.

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Speaker 3: Good in that room.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's been going well, just chilling back here.

933
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you only miss like four forecasts. It's not a

934
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 4: big deal. Everything's fine.

935
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Speaker 7: One in the half.

936
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: Remind me how old are you?

937
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: I'm twenty two, twenty two? My god?

938
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Speaker 4: So do you do people of your vintage? Do people

939
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: of your age? Do you ever go to malls anymore?

940
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

941
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 5: I feel like there was a phase where I didn't

942
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 5: go to the mall at all, but I kind of

943
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 5: I like the mall.

944
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm with you, I love them all. I should

945
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: be doing commercials from all of America. Bothers me that

946
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: I'm not.

947
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 7: I go to the mall of Americaolo Time.

948
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of my favorite places. Yeah, it's I

949
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 4: just like to go and walk around. And I don't

950
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Speaker 4: really ever buy anything. I don't remember last thing I

951
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Speaker 4: purchased at the mall.

952
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 7: I can't relate.

953
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: But in the mall out by my house is Ridgdale,

954
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: and we do spend quite a bit of time there.

955
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Speaker 4: And I'm curious because I am now part of this community.

956
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 4: It's a very exclusive community. The percentage of people that

957
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: go to the mall just to get their steps in,

958
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Speaker 4: just to start walking.

959
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, do you know the percentage? I don't, Okay,

960
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a lot like for them all

961
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: of America. My family used to go during COVID. I

962
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Speaker 5: did not go, Yeah, but like my aunts and uncles,

963
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 5: my parents would go.

964
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Speaker 4: Well, So I'm so if I'm not like, I like

965
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: to go to Lifetime Fitness right because it's awesome. It's

966
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 4: just I love everything. I love the vibe. I love

967
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 4: everything about Lifetime. But on the occasions where I don't

968
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: go to Lifetime or don't want to go to Lifetime,

969
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 4: I am now at the age I'm at the lower

970
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: part of the curve where I will go to the

971
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Speaker 4: mall and just walk and I'll put in a podcast

972
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: and I'll just walk around with my with my AirPods.

973
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: And so I've done this the last two days, and

974
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: it's more of like a mental health thing more than

975
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: a physical fitness thing.

976
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: It's just like it.

977
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Speaker 4: It gives me ideas, especially when I'm hosting or today

978
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Speaker 4: i had the Nico med Bed show.

979
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Speaker 2: Tomorrow I've got a PJ. Fleck show.

980
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 4: When i have a lot of stuff going on, which

981
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 4: is seemingly all the time, especially right now with all

982
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: the different jobs. And I'm not alone. I know a

983
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: lot of people just walk to clear their head or

984
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 4: you know, do whatever. But I'm seeing the same people

985
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 4: like over and over and I'm just like, I feel

986
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: like we're all making the same turns. And it's almost

987
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: like this elderly NASCAR race now right where I've got

988
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 4: to beat these people to the corner, or when I'm

989
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 4: going by Dick's Sporting go like, I've got to get

990
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 4: the turn before they get the turn, or they're coming

991
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 4: from the other way. I'm just like, can'fe and his age,

992
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: that's all I gave my youth to this place. You'll

993
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 4: understand it one day. But I once was twenty two

994
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: years old in the chair that you are sitting in.

995
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 4: And I just had that epiphany today as I'm walking

996
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 4: around because it's also the holiday rush people are trying

997
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: to get You see a lot of people that are

998
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: trying to get their last minute Christmas shopping done or

999
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 4: their gift giving stuff done. And I'm walking around. I'm like,

1000
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: everybody here is wearing new balances or on clouds. Everybody's

1001
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 4: got air pods in it appears everybody's got their watch

1002
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 4: working to count their steps. And I'm just trying to

1003
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: figure out if this is awesome or if I should

1004
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 4: be like a tiny bit depressed that this is not

1005
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: my life and I'm excited about my morning walks at Ridgedale.

1006
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Speaker 5: Your thoughts do you go like in between jobs, you go,

1007
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 5: Jesus like fit it in somewhere.

1008
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 4: Yes, So today it was I did the Parent of

1009
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 4: Spare podcast with Chipskogins and Ryan Burns. That's out wherever

1010
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 4: you get your favorite podcasts. You can also check out

1011
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 4: our YouTube channel, and we talked about college football like

1012
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: we always do every week, and then I had to

1013
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 4: get down to campus to do Nico medved at Buffalo

1014
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 4: Wild Wings with Mike Grimm. That was from noon to

1015
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: one before I came back here, and I thought, well,

1016
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Speaker 4: I don't have a full you know, I can't go

1017
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: to Lifetime, but I want to do something and I

1018
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 4: need to do something, and so I just go to

1019
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 4: Ridge Day and there were some things that I was

1020
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Speaker 4: looking for shopping related that you fit in. But I'm

1021
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 4: just curious if anybody knows what the actual percentage is,

1022
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: because I feel like it's massively high.

1023
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Speaker 2: It's massively high.

1024
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: And if I'm alone, So if you see me at

1025
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Speaker 4: Ridgedale or Mall of America, because I actually have some

1026
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 4: shoes I need to return some AE two's that I

1027
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 4: need to return that were a size too small for

1028
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: my oldest son.

1029
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: So I got to get back there.

1030
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Speaker 4: But I know I'm gonna get my steps, and I

1031
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 4: just don't know if it's going to be Wednesday or Thursday.

1032
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 4: I feel like it's just kind of a it's either

1033
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 4: a depressing part or it's like the greatest thing ever

1034
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: that I'm now part of the mall walking community.

1035
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: Any percentages?

1036
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 7: Does AI have percentages?

1037
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 5: No, it just says there's no official percentage of total visitors.

1038
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 7: So at the Mall of America. This is specific.

1039
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can get you can get a good

1040
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: workout it.

1041
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 4: And I know they have like mile markers and all

1042
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 4: these things out there, but it's just that's my life.

1043
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: Now, that's what you have to look forward to. I'm

1044
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: forty three years old.

1045
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 7: I'm really excited.

1046
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this should make you feel really excited.

1047
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 7: A Reddit user, So, I don't know, we're not going.

1048
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: To Reddit super reliable.

1049
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: We're not going to do.

1050
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, we can, we can. Yeah.

1051
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 5: A Reddit user estimated about one hundred to one hundred

1052
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: and fifty regular walkers between seven and nine am on

1053
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 5: a typical morning at MA.

1054
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1055
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 4: I've never done the pre store opening, no mall walk that.

1056
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in that. But okay, it's it's not bad.

1057
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 4: It's not bad. And now it's clear that I'm part

1058
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: of this community and we'll see where it goes from here,

1059
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: because it's only going to get colder.

1060
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 7: And it's true.

1061
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 4: If I need my mental health break walks, so I'm

1062
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 4: gonna have to get him in somewhere and I'm not

1063
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 4: gonna do it outside.

1064
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna work. All right, Thanks everybody for listening.

1065
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 4: Today the show rap as I mentioned is brought to

1066
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 4: you by American Pressure, and we had a good show today.

1067
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 4: It was fun. Yeah, a lot of good guests. Appreciate

1068
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 4: everybody that came in. Kevin Seffert came in studio for

1069
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: his usual weekly Tuesday appearance.

1070
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: He stayed from three thirty to four thirty, which was great.

1071
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 4: We talked a lot about JJ McCarty, as you can imagine,

1072
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: We unpacked why it took so long to get JJ plain.

1073
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: At this pretty solid level.

1074
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: Obviously, no one's putting him in the Pro Bowl yet

1075
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 4: or first Team All Pro or chiseling his bust for Canton,

1076
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: but it was nice to at least get a glimmer

1077
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 4: of hope the last few weeks and now we'll see

1078
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 4: if that continues this week at New York when they

1079
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 4: played the Giants, who I don't think their defense is

1080
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 4: much to write home about either. We also talked a

1081
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 4: little bit about the Jalen Naylor versus Jordan Addison theory

1082
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: that I had, and Seaffert actually said he'd been thinking

1083
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 4: about the same thing and he's actually gonna write about

1084
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 4: it because I'm gonna be bummed if they can't find

1085
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: a way to keep speak as they call him Jalen Naylor.

1086
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: He's been very, very good this year, and with the

1087
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 4: stuff surrounding Jordan Addison where he's one incident away from

1088
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: being suspended again, it seems like, I mean every time, right,

1089
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: I mean, whether it's the speeding with the dog, whether

1090
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: it's the Dui stuff, or getting lost in London and

1091
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: not making it back for a walkthrough. It just seems

1092
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 4: like there's always something that's going on with Addison and

1093
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: that makes me nervous about committing to a long term deal.

1094
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 4: Seaford doesn't think that the Vikings are at that point.

1095
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 4: He thinks that they still think there's a lot there

1096
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Speaker 4: and he's obviously a really good receiver when he's available

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Speaker 4: and he's healthy and he's out there. But the Naylor

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Speaker 4: story has been good. Part of the reason why Adam

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Speaker 4: Thieland is in Pittsburgh right now catching passes from Aaron

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Speaker 4: Rodgers is because Jalen Naylor, number one, stayed healthy and

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Speaker 4: number two, I think has been really, really good. And

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Speaker 4: that was before the two touchdown game that he just

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Speaker 4: had so talked about that Christian Darisaw the Dallas Turner

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Speaker 4: moment now coming up with Jonathan Grenard out a ton

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Speaker 4: of stuff there. I appreciate Kevin Seffert, appreciate Kevin gorg

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Speaker 4: good twenty minutes on Quinn Hughes on the Minnesota Wild.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, they're back in action tonight.

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Speaker 4: And then of course a great hour with Glenn Mason,

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Speaker 4: a ton of great stories, a ton of good insight

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Speaker 4: on what it's like when you're in the coach's carousel

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Speaker 4: that's going on right now. Glen Mason has been in

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Speaker 4: the carousel. He gave us a lot of good stuff

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Speaker 4: to think about there. So appreciate all of their participation today.

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Speaker 4: I'll be back tomorrow. I think Burns e Ryan Burns

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Speaker 4: is going to join me. I know Pat Kessler is

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Speaker 4: going to join me, and who knows what else. Have

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Speaker 4: an elite Tuesday evening. We'll talk to you tomorrow starting

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Speaker 4: at three o'clock