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Speaker 1: air to know that Heaven's Gain Ministries is out there

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Speaker 1: helping folks who probably dealt with one of the worst

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Speaker 1: things any family can experience, and that is the pregnancy

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Speaker 1: loss before, during, or even after the delivery of their baby.

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Speaker 1: Everyone loves their babies, at least I hope so, but

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Speaker 1: And there's a whole lot involved in that beyond just

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Speaker 1: the emotional problems that go along with it. Who knows

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Speaker 1: more than that. My next guests are more than me,

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Speaker 1: Donna Murphy. She's with Heaven's Gain Ministries, which you can

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Speaker 1: easily find online either by going to my blog page

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Speaker 1: or just go directly to Heaven'sgain dot org. And we're

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Speaker 1: on the morning show. Donna, it's a pleasure to have

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me on again.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a wonderful thing to share the information on

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Speaker 1: it because you know that you have to exist is

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Speaker 1: of life's tragedies. I personally cannot imagine, you know, having

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Speaker 1: Grief comes to mind. And I'm sure you see that

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Speaker 2: It's amazing how many people go through it, but they

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Speaker 2: your child's name, it's just a gift. And that's what

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Speaker 2: we allow people to do with Heaven's Gained ministries. We

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Speaker 1: And it's the support you get by way of sort

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Speaker 1: more than that because you do also offer some supplies

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Speaker 2: Instead of rushing that time away, and then afterwards, we

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Speaker 1: So quite literally, you're talking about maybe a doctor or

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Speaker 2: That's very important. When my husband and I lost we've

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Speaker 2: We also worked towards getting laws in the state of Ohio.

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Speaker 2: But that's only true in twenty five states.

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Speaker 2: The other twenty five states, they are no legal law,

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked that under what theory is it not a

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Speaker 1: Okay, the world is filled with crazies. Now this is

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Speaker 1: you have a dinner dance coming up?

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Speaker 3: We do. We have our biggest fund raiser of the

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Speaker 2: Share the Love Dinner dance on Valentine's Day. It's at

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Speaker 2: Receptions in Erlanger. It starts at five thirty when the

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Speaker 1: A worthy cause. It is Heaven's Gained Ministries annual fundraiser

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Speaker 2: Correct, Donna, Absolutely, had I not felt the Lord calling

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Speaker 3: And so it is actually very very rewarding.

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Speaker 1: I am certain it is.

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Speaker 4: It's a beautiful thing that you and your husband are doing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Donna. Absolutely, it's eight seventeen right now, folks. A little

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