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Speaker 1: onto the fifty five Casey Morning Show, where at six

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Speaker 1: point thirty every Friday you'll hear Dave Hatter Tech Friday

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Speaker 1: today's edition. What happened earlier this week with that Amazon

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Speaker 1: cloud outage that we were impacted by slightly here that

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Speaker 1: morning was a chaotic morning, really strange anyway, That's topic

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Speaker 1: number one. How do you create a good password. We've

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Speaker 1: been down this road before, and it is an important

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Speaker 1: thing to know that hackers using artificial intelligence to go

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Speaker 1: on a cyber crime spree. And if you're a lawyer

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Speaker 1: out there, a judge, would you please stop using artificial

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Speaker 1: intelligence unless you go back and check your citations and

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Speaker 1: the quotes from the case and the outcome from the case.

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Speaker 1: You got to look at the original case law. You've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of federal judges that actually used artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 1: people who weren't involved in the case, erroneous outcomes in

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Speaker 1: the case, artificial touchup, making this stuff up whole cloth.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy anyway. Then we're onto private citizen Brad Winster,

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Speaker 1: former congressman. You remember him. He'll be in studio, he

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Speaker 1: always is, and that's a great thing. Have a good

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Speaker 1: conversation with him. We'll talk about shutdown here shortly, Private

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Speaker 1: Citizen brand Winster for the seven o'clock hour, and then

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Speaker 1: the return of Sarah Herringer. You may recall Sarah husband

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Speaker 1: bringing about the realization to all of us that yeah,

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Speaker 1: that ankle monitor thing doesn't mean Jack squat. We'll get

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Speaker 1: the latest on the Patrick Herringer legislation she's been pushing

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Speaker 1: and her outspoken efforts in that regard thoughts on what's

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Speaker 1: the fp has rented a mobile billboard. It's got Mayor

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Speaker 1: Parvall depicted as a puppet master. Par Ball put politics

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Speaker 1: over safety. Look for it. It's going to be out

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Speaker 1: and about today sixteen foot led truck. Of course, this

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Speaker 1: police chief, Terry Thiji, placed on administrative leave pending an

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Speaker 1: internal investigation into the effectiveness of her leadership. This is

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Speaker 1: a comical exercise. It's an embarrassing exercise, and props a

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Speaker 1: brother dre Andre Ewing for pointing out that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: have pro Ball and Teresa thijis standing next to each

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Speaker 1: her leadership is in the City of Cincinnati Police Department.

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Speaker 1: Only to be well, I guess upended by the crime

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Speaker 1: situation of downtown Cincinnati people's overall concerns, and yes, there

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Speaker 1: is a lot of crime going on in downtown Cincinati,

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Speaker 1: not with stating the fact that up until recently, Mayor

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Speaker 1: also happens to be the number one focus of his administration.

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Speaker 1: Our number one priority continues to be public safety, as

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Speaker 1: They are, in fact the chief of Police's bosses sus

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Speaker 1: which makes perfect sense, Eddie. How that is going to

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Speaker 1: this slow process. The deadline is fast approaching. The continuing

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Speaker 1: What day is today? Twenty fourth? Is that going to

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Speaker 1: Aw's got today, Cleveland Al, Welcome to the show and

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Speaker 1: a happy Friday to you, sir.

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Speaker 4: Good morning. I appreciate you letting me make a quick comment.

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Speaker 4: Happy to Yeah. I understand and appreciate the fact that

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Speaker 1: No phone calls for the last two segments of the

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Speaker 4: the other listeners have a wonderful day.

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you. I appreciate your tuning into the program.

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Speaker 1: That just made my day. That logic comment, God bless you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Maslin's phone number? Joe, former attorney of Blake Maslin's law firm,

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Speaker 1: This Kevin Grash has since I Inquire reported, Yes, local

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Speaker 1: He approved it unilaterally without congressional authority, part of his

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Speaker 1: Yesterday started out the program and I discussed the idea

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Speaker 1: illustration of how stupid chasing carbon dioxide is out. The

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Speaker 1: Breaching you Tom appreciate it. And carbon dioxide is not

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Speaker 1: include a motive for this stupidity, says. In a recent

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Speaker 8: Idiots doing idiot because they're idiots.

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Speaker 1: I think we can get one more in here for

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Speaker 1: the break. Disoriented homeless one. She was described as disoriented

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Speaker 1: That's the name of the city. State college. So she's

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Speaker 1: tashe Turner again found nude outside the store six thirty

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Speaker 9: As this tradition.

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Speaker 1: Used to get deliberate penalties, I guess that works for

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Speaker 1: as opposed to cloewing. This disorderly conduct posted one percent

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Speaker 1: November fifth, that's where her preliminary hearing is going on.

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Speaker 1: Dave's advice for years and years, and I honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't think I'm missing anything. My refusal to use ninety

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Speaker 1: and I just don't need them. Let's keep you out

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Speaker 1: of trouble and keep your data in your privacy secure. Anyhow,

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Speaker 1: just when you think you've seen everything, are you ready,

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Speaker 1: We're going to CA Home Pass. California dispatchers began receiving

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Speaker 1: multiple nine to one to one calls eleven o'clock in

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Speaker 1: the morning October twentieth, reporting a nude guy running down

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Speaker 1: the center divider. Why are you doing that? I don't

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Speaker 1: think we're ever going to find out? Centa divider of

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Speaker 1: I fifteen Freeway right there at Kenwood Avenue, it says.

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Speaker 1: Responding officer from the California Highway Patrol Inland Division located

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Speaker 1: the man near the Kenwood Avenue on ramp, where he

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Speaker 1: under the influence of an unknown substance. Transport a local

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Speaker 1: be provided as they become available, like what drug he

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Speaker 1: you want to get naked and run all over the

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Speaker 1: place and pleasure yourself quite often more naked. And also

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Speaker 1: as his tradition, we're back in Florida on a stack

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Speaker 1: in Florida running them up. This time it's Joshua Neil Garrison,

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Speaker 1: neighborhood in Penel's Park, Florida. Nude rampage. Garrison apparently crept

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Speaker 1: through backyards, did touch himself, of course he did, and

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Speaker 1: helped himself to whatever was listen nailed down while naked.

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Speaker 1: One neighbor, Dave Dale, got to see it all live

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Speaker 1: middle of the night, Dale said open the door, and

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Speaker 1: He said he wasn't satisfied merely, or rather Garrison, the

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Speaker 1: naked guy wasn't satisfied. Merely tracing through people's yard in

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Speaker 1: the nud He also needed to do a little bit

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Speaker 1: of what the article described as suburban destruction. He threw

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Speaker 1: a potted plant through Dale's truck, when tore lights off homes,

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Speaker 1: tried to speak into a sneak rather into multiple houses.

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Speaker 1: Vice dot Com reporting props the Lewis product for the

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Speaker 1: humor built into this article generally did the kinds of

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Speaker 1: stuff you would imagine a naked man roaming in a

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Speaker 1: neighborhood would feel free enough to do. Now who can argue, indeed,

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Speaker 1: but he shows them removing windows, screens, testing locked doors.

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Speaker 1: Neighbor Tim Reichman, talking to local news report of the man,

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Speaker 1: entered his home, helped himself to a drink, then grabbed

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Speaker 1: an axe from his shed. Returning to the porch, he said,

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Speaker 1: we don't know why he didn't use it phrasing we

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Speaker 1: should report us as sounding almost a little disappointed. The

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Speaker 1: naked guy didn't think it was worthy of being an

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Speaker 1: axe murderer, he said. Several neighbors were locked and loaded,

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Speaker 1: ready to unload magazines into the guy on the way,

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Speaker 1: much like tip A, Floridians might be inclined to do.

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Speaker 1: No one was injured, though, police coming through the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: footage to determine the charges. What's this doing in here,

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Speaker 1: phrasing striker, this is a speedo. The guy's got a

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Speaker 1: speedo on. It's not naked, Goffstown, New Hampshire, They point out,

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Speaker 1: nine to one to one dispatchers usually don't need to

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Speaker 1: call their own dispatch center to need help from law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: But of course, in this particular case, when a guy

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Speaker 1: creates a problem. Video shows what are described as terrifying

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Speaker 1: moments inside the Hillsboro County Sheriff's office on a day

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Speaker 1: in just recently in August, man wearing nothing but a

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Speaker 1: speedo and a yellow hat tried to get into the

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Speaker 1: secure dispatch center. Thorty said. Fifty year old Corey Nickerson

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Speaker 1: barged in and tried to get from the vestibule into

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Speaker 1: the dispatch center. During the struggle, none of this came

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Speaker 1: rushing to help, according to Sheriff Brian Newcomb's quota of saying,

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Speaker 1: typically here rendering assistants over the phone and radio for

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Speaker 1: people calling nine to one one or needing an emergency help.

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Speaker 1: But that day, they found themselves needing assistance here. He said.

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Speaker 1: One of our dispatchers was coming in for work and

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Speaker 1: was accosted by mister Nickerson when she was trying to

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Speaker 1: get inside the building. Authority say both the women coming

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Speaker 1: into work in the dispatcher who tried to help are

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Speaker 1: now healing from wounds, both visible and invisible. He said,

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Speaker 1: they did the same some serious bodily injury, and certainly

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Speaker 1: there's emotional damage coming to work every day knowing this

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Speaker 1: is where the act happened. Sheriff committed the dispatchers for

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Speaker 1: the bravery. Nickerson appeared pleaded not guilty to several charges,

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Speaker 1: including assault, criminal threatening, and false imprisonment. I'm certain who's

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Speaker 1: following his lawyer's advice along those lines. But it's a

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Speaker 1: world these days, you might imagine, Yes, they have a

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Speaker 1: ton of video of this incident. All right, there's your

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Speaker 1: sacking stupid for a Friday. Let us move on. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do Tech Friday at six thirty. As I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Private Citizen, what happened earlier this week with that Amazon

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Speaker 1: cloud outage which actually impacted us to a certain degree.

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Speaker 1: How do you create a good password, sound advice from

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter in that one, and Hacker's using artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: going to crime spree. Private citizen brad Winsterp returns to

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Speaker 1: the fifty five kr SES studio at seven o five.

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Speaker 1: You get a full hour with the former congressman and

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Speaker 1: get his thoughts and ideas about the closure, among other topics,

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Speaker 1: plus waging war in South America and Donald Trump now

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Speaker 1: maybe considering land to targets and also stating out loud

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Speaker 1: that he does not need congressional approval to start waging

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Speaker 1: Trump's policies, but just because he says it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's necessarily true. I'm not quite sure where brad Winstrop

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Speaker 1: is on that, but we'll talk to him about it

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Speaker 1: coming up in an hour. Sarah Herringer god lover of course,

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Speaker 1: the widow of Patrick Herringer, who was stabbed in front

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Speaker 1: of her died in her arms in their apartment and

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Speaker 1: over the Rhine. Find out that ankle monitors aren't worth

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Speaker 1: well the the words ankle monitor, let alone keeping track

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Speaker 1: of criminals who've been let out of prison with an

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Speaker 1: ankle monitor we'll get the latest on the Patrick Herringer legislation,

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Speaker 1: and we're her thoughts on what's going on with downtown

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Speaker 1: crime wise, and as we've fast approached the election. Parenthetically

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Speaker 1: since artificial I mentioned artificial intelligence in the morning because

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about Dave Hatter coming up, and I

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Speaker 1: had these illustrations again of idiot lawyers and now judges

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Speaker 1: using AI and not checking their work, submitting briefs and

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Speaker 1: I just want to give you a quick illustration of that,

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Speaker 1: because if you're using chat GPT, you really have to

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Speaker 1: be careful. I've tried it a few times, just notably

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Speaker 1: for humor, like I had to churn out some songs

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Speaker 1: related to Greta Thunberg and things like that, and it's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: If you want some comedy in your world, fine have it.

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Speaker 1: Do that, but don't rely on it for imant things.

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Speaker 1: And so I had a fundraiser for Corey Bowman then

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Speaker 1: I was introducing Corey Att. Happened last week in Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: and God blessed the Wyoming folks who are very interested

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Speaker 1: in the outcome of that election. Knowing full well that

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Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati impacts their neighborhood. So I thought

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Speaker 1: to myself, you know what, I've never I don't really

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Speaker 1: read introductions. I typically don't even prepare notes, kind of

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Speaker 1: stream of consciousness, kind of like the Morning Show. You know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes I'm on my game and sometimes I'm not. But

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I'll tell you what. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask chat GPT to prepare an introduction. Here's

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Speaker 1: the way I phrased the into chat GPT provide an

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Speaker 1: introductory speech for mayoral So I'm sorry, Cincinnati mayoral candidate

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman at a fundraiser in his honor, incorporating elements

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Speaker 1: of his platform and personal background. That's as close to

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Speaker 1: a quote as I can give you what I've fed

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Speaker 1: into it. It spit out three pages of lies. It

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Speaker 1: got the wrong high school he went to. It didn't

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Speaker 1: have the right college, They did not have the right degree.

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Speaker 1: They did not accurately describe positions he has held or

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Speaker 1: his work. They described him as a community activist. I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking they didn't even mention that he's a minister is

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Speaker 1: a divinity degree. And then the platform parts were hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I bet you didn't know this. Corey Bummen is campaigning

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Speaker 1: on all green, he's a green energy candidate. Really also diversity, equity, inclusion,

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Speaker 1: all in there. I'm serious. What it did churn out

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Speaker 1: pervoll platform stuff. So don't rely on it. And fortunately

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Speaker 1: I know Corey well enough, and I knew the lies

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Speaker 1: as soon as I read him for the first time,

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Speaker 1: so be careful. Yesterday the Democrats said no, screw you,

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Speaker 1: military and essential workers were not going to pay you.

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Speaker 1: Democrats blocked a shut Down Fairness Act of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Ron Johnson sponsored it fifty four to forty five vote.

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Speaker 1: He had a few Democrats voting for it, ors osof

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Speaker 1: Warnock and of course John Fetterman, who's seemingly more and

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Speaker 1: more seen every single day. That legislation would have paid

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Speaker 1: service members and employees determined by agency heads to be

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Speaker 1: accepted from the shutdown because they're performing emergency work. Hmm.

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Speaker 1: It would have included three under congressional employees US Capitol

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Speaker 1: Police who've been working to keep the Senate open while

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Speaker 1: they babble on the Senate floor for twenty three out

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Speaker 1: of twenty two hours and thirty seven minutes. Jeff Berkley,

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Speaker 1: Democrat would have guarantee paid for federal workers on duty

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Speaker 1: throughout the shutdown, including air traffic controllers, check Transportation Secretary

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Speaker 1: Administration agents, park rangers, federal law enforcement, immigration customs officers,

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Speaker 1: and border patrol agents. They would have been paid. Democrats said, no,

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Speaker 1: screw you guys. Now tell me if you can rationalize this,

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Speaker 1: like Chuckie Schumer did. He said, quote it referring to

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Speaker 1: the bill, it's nothing more than another tool for Trump

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Speaker 1: to hurt federal workers and American families and to keep

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Speaker 1: the shutdown going on for as long as he wants.

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Speaker 1: We will not give I know, we will not give

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump a license to play politics with people's livelihoods.

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Speaker 1: That's why we oppose this. What is it the elephant

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Speaker 1: in the room in the background of that statement, the

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Speaker 1: entire shutdown, which does not make this amen, Joe Stracker,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. A pivot over to Kimberly Strassel. Excellent observations.

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Speaker 1: Kim Strassell the ugliest after the showdown, which makes some

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Speaker 1: great points in her op ed piece, Thank you, Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journals. Kimberly Strassel two years ago, Saturday, the US

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Speaker 1: House voted to end a modern day crisis. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: twenty one days without a speaker of the House. The

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Speaker 1: chaos marked a new low, and institutional governments ah for

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Speaker 1: the good old days. It dawned on Washington this week

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Speaker 1: that the unforeseen consequence of the prolonged shutdown gridlock is

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Speaker 1: gonna be yes more gridlock. Then the current funding crisis

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Speaker 1: is to create a new funding crisis. Democrats have now

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Speaker 1: guaranteed that Rome is burning, not that the shutdown is

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Speaker 1: ending soon. Minority Leader Chuck you Shimer since his lifetime

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Speaker 1: employment within his reach. He's a progressive hero and a

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Speaker 1: certain nihilism is swept his caucus. Some Senate Democrats voted

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Speaker 1: for the twelfth time this to keep the government shut down.

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Speaker 1: This week and yesterday again, as I just pointed out,

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Speaker 1: voted to deny checks to troops and essential federal workers

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Speaker 1: like air traffic controllers. Every day gets better for Democrats,

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Speaker 1: mister Schumer exalts that's questionable, though, things are getting decidedly

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Speaker 1: worse for most everyone else. Despite the Trump Administration's effort

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Speaker 1: to mitigate showdown shut down harm, emergency measures are hitting

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Speaker 1: the wall federal workforce including Senate staffers, miss their first

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Speaker 1: full paycheck this week. Military and House staffers get stiffed

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Speaker 1: next week. States are starting to cut food stamps for

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Speaker 1: forty one million Americans. Head Start will soon run out

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Speaker 1: of money, and air traffic control sick outs are beginning

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Speaker 1: to snarl air travel. Optimists point to a possible November

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Speaker 1: first off ramps, since that's the end of too many

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Speaker 1: federal food benefits. That date happens to also marked the

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Speaker 1: end of the entire stated Democrat rationale for the shutdown,

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Speaker 1: the need to extend and hance Obamacare's subsidies before insurers

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Speaker 1: on the exchange begin to open enrollment.

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Speaker 9: Huh.

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Speaker 1: Between that loss cause and all the attention the left

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Speaker 1: has managed to focus on how broken Obamacare is in general,

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Speaker 1: you might think that it's a good day to bail out,

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Speaker 1: but no. Democrats now think a continued shutdown drama might

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Speaker 1: drive base turnout in of course, the ever fourth elections

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Speaker 1: in Virginia and New Jersey, or maybe win that California

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Speaker 1: redistricting referendum, or ruin Donald Trump's Thanksgiving or something. A

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Speaker 1: big consequence is already here. The length of this shutdown

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Speaker 1: has shattered whatever plans Congress. Both sides had for an

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Speaker 1: orderly exit from the impass and that means that what

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Speaker 1: comes next could prove to be as messy as what

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Speaker 1: we have now. House to cr past September nineteenth design

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Speaker 1: to keep the government running until November twenty first, which

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Speaker 1: is supposed to give Congress eight weeks to work through

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Speaker 1: the fiscal year appropriations. But every day the passes makes

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Speaker 1: the resolution of that resolution more of a dead letter

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Speaker 1: and adds to the elusiveness of a deal. Senate Republicans

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Speaker 1: have tied to the progress Chief Appropriators Susan Collins and

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Speaker 1: Patty Murray, who have made fiscal twenty twenty six bills.

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Speaker 1: But those bills, this being the Senate, spend tens of

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Speaker 1: billions more than House Republicans will tolerate, and don't expect

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Speaker 1: Speaker Mike Johnson to end this career and his career

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Speaker 1: by turning to Democrats to jam those bills through. Nobody

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Speaker 1: is rubber stamping anything yet there's no time for a

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Speaker 1: House Senate conference. Pressure is building on Johnson to bring

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Speaker 1: the House back to a start, a prospect almost as

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Speaker 1: appealing as a root canal. She writes. By this point,

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Speaker 1: there's no guarantee he can pass another Continuing resolution, no

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Speaker 1: guarantee on what one would look like, and no optimism

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Speaker 1: it would produce a result. Democrats so thoroughly in a

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Speaker 1: tantrum mode that last week they refused to provide sixty

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Speaker 1: votes for a single popular funding bill, the Annual Defense

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Speaker 1: approbe Creations Bill, which in July get a load of

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Speaker 1: This passed twenty six to three out of committee bipartisan

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Speaker 1: I guess it is, will they vote on it?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: Even if they had the shutdown? Will they agree to

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Speaker 1: any full year funding that doesn't give them everything they want,

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Speaker 1: including wild Obamacare subsidies rhetorical question. This has some Republicans

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Speaker 1: now arguing for a full year CR one that gets

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Speaker 1: Congress passed next year's midterms. But this would lock the

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Speaker 1: GOP into another year of Joe Biden's spending levels, starve

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Speaker 1: the military, and infuriate House Conservatives who were promised an

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Speaker 1: end to government by Continuing Resolution or omnibus bills. And

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Speaker 1: that's before the appropriation appropriators throw a fit over losing

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Speaker 1: their precious earmarks. The situation is stalemated enough to have

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Speaker 1: some GOP members floating the ill considered idea of killing

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Speaker 1: the filibuster for appropriations. That move would rescue Democrats from

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Speaker 1: the show down morass, even as Republicans did the lefts

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Speaker 1: dirty work, making the real left dream of ending the

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Speaker 1: Senate's best institutional check, the sixty vote threshold. The next

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Speaker 1: Democratic Congress would take that GOP president and run with it,

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Speaker 1: killing the filibuster to impose gun control, federalized voting rules,

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Speaker 1: open borders, and blow the bank. She concludes shutdowns of

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Speaker 1: the byproduct of Washington dysfunction. But Democrats and transience in

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Speaker 1: this one. Their indifference to convention or consequence in their

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Speaker 1: drive to impose their demands on a country that they

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Speaker 1: lost in the last election is the unfortunate evidence that

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Speaker 1: dysfunction can always get worse. What's worse than a shutdown

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Speaker 1: in this case maybe what comes after. Excellent points Kimberly Strassel.

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Speaker 1: I think we find ourselves right square in the middle

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Speaker 1: of what would be described in the military as a

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Speaker 1: Charlie foxtrot six sixteen right now fifty five K talk

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Speaker 1: coming tomorrow. David he'll be there in spirit, not his

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Speaker 1: alma mater anyhow, five three two three, talk real quick here.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the bombing going well, the bombing of the

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Speaker 1: cartel boats. Yesterday, Donald Trump suggested they're going to take

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Speaker 1: it to the land. Uh huh. Land is going to

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Speaker 1: be next. And he doesn't necessarily intend to seek a

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Speaker 1: declaration of war. So, of course we've been blowing up

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Speaker 1: what they go fast boats as speedboats, allegedly with drugs

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Speaker 1: on them, containing allegedly narco terrorists. No real confirmation on that.

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Speaker 1: I know the Venezuelan government can't be trusted and they

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Speaker 1: say that, well, no, we blew up a fishing boat

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Speaker 1: in one case. Don't know, don't have the facts. Personally,

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Speaker 1: I can't comment on that, And people who listen to

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Speaker 1: the show regularly know my feelings about bombing people randomly

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Speaker 1: outside the territory of waters in the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: International waters is where that's going on. Anyway. Trump told

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Speaker 1: reporters yesterday, well, I don't think we're gonna necessarily ask

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Speaker 1: for a declaration of war. I think we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: kill people that are bringing drugs into our country. Okay,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna kill them laws quote, and I guess I

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Speaker 1: kind of one for those who think this is a

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Speaker 1: great idea. Is it a great idea because Trump's doing it?

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Speaker 1: And would you be comfortable if, let's say it was

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Speaker 1: President Barack Obama doing this, Not that that would ever happen,

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Speaker 1: I don't think, but just try to put yourself in

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Speaker 1: that position if you would be approving of these kind

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Speaker 1: of measures. Anyway, of course, we've killed nearly forty people.

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Speaker 1: A couple of them survive. Two people in the submarine

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Speaker 1: that we blew up survive. They've been repatriated. So Trump said,

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Speaker 1: now the drugs are coming in by land. You know,

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Speaker 1: the land is going to be next, which he has

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Speaker 1: previously suggested before mentioning land operations. And I note the

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Speaker 1: just sent B one somebody sent B one bombers, our

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Speaker 1: B one bombers near Venezuela just yesterday. B one bombers.

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Speaker 1: Those are the big ones. I didn't realize they can

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Speaker 1: carry up the seventy five thousand pounds of bombs. That's

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Speaker 1: a lot of payload right there. Anyway, obviously, stepping up

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Speaker 1: our military presidence, we've got all kinds of folks down there.

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Speaker 1: Eight warships, a submarine, a P eight Maritime patrol, aircraft

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Speaker 1: MQ nine Reaper drones, F thirty five fighter squadrons and

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Speaker 1: now of course B one bombers. Huge show of force

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Speaker 1: for the drug cartels venzuell when President Nicholas muduro I

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Speaker 1: thought this was comical, speaking yesterday, warning that if the

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Speaker 1: United States ever intervened in the country, here we go

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Speaker 1: ready quote, the working class would rise and a general

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Speaker 1: insurrectional strike would be declared in the streets until power

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Speaker 1: is regained, also interjecting that millions of men and women

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Speaker 1: with rifles would march across the country close quote. I

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Speaker 1: think that means from his perspective that we're going to

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Speaker 1: roll in troops invent as well. I think Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: will probably just go with the drone strike kind of

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Speaker 1: B one bomber drop or something else on wherever these

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Speaker 1: drugs are being manufactured, wherever he figures out that the

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Speaker 1: narco terrorists are sitting, kind of like we just knock

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Speaker 1: off heads of hamas or Israel does anyway or other

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Speaker 1: you know, dangerous terrorist leaders around the country find the

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Speaker 1: some good advice. Welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 10: It's always my pleasure. Brian.

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Speaker 5: You know, I always hope you're doing some good out

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Speaker 1: when say, Amazon's cloud goes out. We were interrupted in

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Speaker 1: well not catastrophically so, but we did have some problems.

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Speaker 10: It goes to show.

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Speaker 5: So you know, if you look at the stats, and

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Speaker 5: leverage as a business to outsource services you would have

856
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 5: had to provide internally yourself in the past, Like you

857
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 5: don't need servers anymore. You can put your services, your software,

858
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 5: whatever else you might need in the Amazon web Services cloud.

859
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 5: I've seen stats anywhere between. They have thirty to forty

860
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 5: percent of that market. Microsoft is the next biggest player

861
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 5: in the clouds. Now Microsoft tests them to call it Azure.

862
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 5: They've got other stuff like Microsoft three sixty five, but

863
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 5: Azure would be the closest to Amazon Web Services generally speaking.

864
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: Then you've got Google Cloud kind of bringing up the

865
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 5: third third space there probably similar size to Microsoft, maybe

866
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 5: a little bit less. And then there are other players,

867
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 5: but you've got a lot of concentration. It's called concentration risk,

868
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 5: and these three big players. Now I am generally a

869
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 5: fan of the cloud. There's no doubt in my mind

870
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: that if you know what you're doing and you can

871
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: figure things correctly, you can actually be more secure using

872
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 5: these services than you're on prem You can have less complexity,

873
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 5: but there is a different type of risk. You've got

874
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 5: this concentration risk of a few very large players, and

875
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 5: if something happens to.

876
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 10: Them, you go down.

877
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 5: You also have you know, third party risk. When it

878
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 5: does go down, it knocks out all kinds of things

879
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 5: you know. Well, Amazon Web Services was out for roughly

880
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 5: around fifteen hours in total. It brought down all kinds

881
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 5: of other services, from things like roadblocks to zoom to

882
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 5: Internet of Things devices. I don't know if you saw

883
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 5: Brian like some sleep number beds stop working correctly and

884
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 5: interestingly enough. Yeah, crazy right, because you need your bed

885
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 5: connected to the internet.

886
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: Of course, I have a sleep Number bed. It does

887
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: not have Internet access, and I'm trying to figure out

888
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: why in the hell would anybody need a sleep number

889
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: bed with its an internet access. That's blank a crazy day.

890
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you.

891
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 10: Know, you know I agree with you, old heart of

892
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 10: the Bran.

893
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 5: I'm bash on the Internet of things, so called smart

894
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 5: devices all the.

895
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Time setting to ninety five from ninety from here in

896
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: the studio because it's so important that I can adjust

897
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: the mattress setting from elsewhere. Pop.

898
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also so important for them to be able

899
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 5: to collect all the information about, you know, the state

900
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 5: of your bed, whatever that might mean at any given time.

901
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 10: I'm sure that could be helpful to you.

902
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 5: But nevertheless, you know, they were down for a fairly

903
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 5: extended period of time. It's not the first time they've

904
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 5: been down. It's not like this hasn't happened to other

905
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 5: cloud providers either, So again, I'm I In general, I

906
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 5: think the cloud still makes sense for many businesses in

907
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 5: many use cases. However, you have to understand the third

908
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 5: party risk that it brings along. Again, people playing roadblocks

909
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 5: suddenly are down because roadblocks host some of their capabilities

910
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 5: through AWS. And the bigger point to me is that

911
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 5: it illustrates as a business you have to understand the

912
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 5: idea of third party risk in general. Anytime you're outsourcing

913
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 5: anything to a third party, there's some risk there. You

914
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 5: can build systems, even in the cloud that would be

915
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 5: more resilient, less likely to go down, right, And you

916
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 5: could even argue that when these large providers go down

917
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 5: versus you want you have something on prim down or

918
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 5: some small provider. You know, when you have hundreds or

919
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 5: thousands of businesses out there's an enormous amount of pressure

920
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 5: to get that back up very and.

921
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: They've got a well oiled team in house to deal

922
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: with those things on an emergency basis too, I imagine.

923
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 5: So again, I don't think this should necessarily be an

924
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 5: indication that people should turn away from the cloud, but

925
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 5: I do think you need it as a business. You

926
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 5: need to understand the risk, and you know you can

927
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 5: spend more money, you can build more resilient systems to

928
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 5: make sure that doesn't happen.

929
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 10: It does, though, however, point out to me that we have.

930
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 5: To continually be thinking as a society about how can

931
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 5: we build things that are more resilient and more robust

932
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 5: and less likely to go down, because you know that

933
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 5: I've seen experts estimate that that will cost anywhere between

934
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 5: ten billion to one hundred billion that outage across all

935
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 5: of the different businesses that were impacted by it, and

936
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 5: you know that what the downtime did to them, and

937
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 5: you know they pointed Amazon. So far everything I've seen

938
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 5: no indication of a cyber attack. It looks like it

939
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 5: was DNS, the domain name system issue that it got

940
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 5: into something called a race condition where each system is

941
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 5: sort of fighting with the other system.

942
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 10: It brought things down and.

943
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 5: You know, internally, which then started to impact the services

944
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 5: that rely on these Amazon Web services. So it's really

945
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 5: interesting how it went down. I'm sure they'll, you know,

946
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 5: do lots of post mortems and after action reports and

947
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,479
Speaker 5: that particular thing won't happen again. But it does show

948
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 5: you just how interconnected our society is, a reliant we

949
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 5: are on these things, and how a yes, why does

950
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 5: your smart device need to be smart and need to

951
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 5: be connected to all these other things so that you

952
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 5: have these physical impacts in the real world, And then

953
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 5: you know, we just got to get serious about building

954
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 5: systems that are less likely to.

955
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 10: Have this happen.

956
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 1: Amen to that good question about it. Let's pause, bring

957
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: it back for some solid sound information I can use.

958
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: How do you create a good password? I think you

959
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: justsed forty here fifty five kr CEV talk station at

960
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Speaker 1: b Friday Tech front of me. Dave had our interest

961
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Speaker 1: I dot com to find Dave and the team for

962
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: your business computer needs. Uh, real solid advice we're gonna

963
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: get in this segment. You've been a big fan of

964
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: letting my listeners know about how to you know, you

965
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: need a strong password password manager. Uh, and you people

966
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: just apparently haven't gotten the memo, Dave. You know password

967
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: one is not a good password. Everybody has used it

968
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: in the past. That's the first thing these you know,

969
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: computer generated search you know, password destructors or whatever the

970
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: hell you call those things. They're going to try to

971
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: randomly guess your password. They're going to start with the easy,

972
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: stupid ones that people apparently still use.

973
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 5: Right, Dave, Everything you said is right, Brian, so I

974
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 5: listen to you add to that further that as computers

975
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 5: get more powerful, it's faster to guess more passwords more quickly.

976
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 4: Right.

977
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 5: An organization called Hive puts out a chart every year

978
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 5: that shows you how long it would take to crack

979
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 5: a password, from like four characters that are all numbers

980
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 5: out to eighteen characters that include letters, numbers, upper and

981
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 5: lowercase symbols, And it goes anywhere from basically instantaneous to

982
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 5: four hundred and sixty three quinn trillion years once you

983
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 5: get to that eighteen character link that has upper and

984
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 5: lowercase symbols and numbers and letters.

985
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: So I'm good going with a sixteen character that contains

986
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: not only fake words that are made up by me,

987
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: but also a whole variety of symbols and letters and

988
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: numbers and caps and lowercase than that.

989
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 10: But here's the thing. Here's the thing I get.

990
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 5: Most people, unless they have a password manager, have no

991
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 5: way to manage that. And NIST is the National Institute

992
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: of Standards and Technology. They're the ones that originally came

993
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 5: up with all of these password rules, like you should

994
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 5: change your passwords every ninety days and stuff like that. Right,

995
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 5: and over time, as they've seen how people behave and

996
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 5: what sort of attacks are effective, they've changed their guidance. Okay,

997
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 5: so they just recently put out some new guidance, thus

998
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 5: prompting us to talk about it today. And you know,

999
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 5: I'll post this in my notes, but this is from

1000
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 5: this how do I create a good password? And what

1001
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 5: else can I do to secure my online accounts? So

1002
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 5: you'll see they give a lot of the same advice

1003
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 5: you and I have been giving on this show now

1004
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 5: for a long time. They talk about some of the

1005
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 5: things like again you mentioned password one. You know, every year,

1006
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 5: based on the billions of records that get stolen and

1007
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: leaked online on the dark web for bad guys to use,

1008
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 5: you see the same bad patterns people keep using the

1009
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,479
Speaker 5: same bad passwords, so hackers don't even need to try

1010
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 5: to crack the things. They will often just go for

1011
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 5: the low hanging fruit because they know many people will

1012
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 5: use one of several bad passwords, and they'll use the

1013
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 5: same bad password across multiple accounts. So you know, it

1014
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 5: might not be password, it might be password with an

1015
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 5: ad sign and an exclamation point.

1016
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 10: Is you want to be.

1017
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: Extra security signs?

1018
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, the bad guys know this, right, they know all

1019
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 10: of this. But even if you're not.

1020
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: Doing something like that, then they can use these programs

1021
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 5: that can literally generate you know, millions of tries a

1022
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 5: second until they eventually land on your password. This missed

1023
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 5: article talks about all of that, but the bottom line, right,

1024
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 5: and they again they touch on all kinds of topics,

1025
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 5: password manager, multifacture, authentication, you know, the best advice And

1026
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 5: they say, well, right here from this misted article, they

1027
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 5: say adding a second character increases that number to twenty

1028
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 5: six times twenty six. So they're talking about the link

1029
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 5: and then the permutations, right, the number of times you

1030
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 5: would have to guess a password to get it. So

1031
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 5: they say an a character password would take about two

1032
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 5: hundred billion guesses. Okay, but then they go on to

1033
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 5: say modern laptop can comfortably generate one hundred billion guesses

1034
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 5: per second, So I was way under my estimate. So

1035
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 5: eight characters is not very secure at all. Then they

1036
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 5: go on to say they recommend that your passwords should

1037
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 5: be at least fifteen characters. At one hundred bion guesses

1038
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 5: per second, it would take a computer more than five

1039
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 5: hundred years to guess all the possible combinations of just

1040
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 5: fifteen lower case letters. Now, if you throw in upper

1041
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 5: case letters, symbols, and numbers, it's basically uncrackable because instead

1042
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 5: of twenty six permutations right, the twenty six characters the alphabet,

1043
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 5: add in ten numbers, add in like another twenty symbols.

1044
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,479
Speaker 5: It basically becomes uncrackable. But they know that people can't

1045
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 5: remember fifty or one hundred different random passwords like that,

1046
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 5: so they suggest that you use a passphrase, same thing

1047
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 5: we've been saying for a long time. Come up with

1048
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 5: something that's at least eighteen characters long and just a

1049
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 5: random phrase. Pick three different words that only you would know,

1050
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 5: easy to remember, easy to type, Longer is better if

1051
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 5: you throw some symbols into it, like the example they

1052
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 5: give here is cassette, lava baby. It's just totally nonsensible, right,

1053
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 5: But if you, let's say, replace the e's with threes

1054
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 5: or maybe the a's with ad signs, you've added some

1055
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 5: more randomness to it that is essentially uncrackable. But again,

1056
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 5: the focus is on the link. The link is the

1057
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 5: most important attribute, and of course that it's not guessable

1058
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 5: or known to someone else. And then you know, any

1059
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 5: randomization by swapping some characters out, adding numbers or symbols

1060
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 5: is a plus. But they're saying eighteen characters, and then

1061
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 5: they do say, yeah, use a password manager, because if

1062
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 5: you have a strong unique pass phrase on your password

1063
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 5: manager coupled with MFA and it's a quality password manager

1064
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 5: that uses zero knowledge encryption, you're basically going to be

1065
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 5: like the Rocket Gibraltar or Fort Knox compared to the

1066
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 5: average person who isn't using a password manager, who doesn't

1067
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 5: have eighteen character passphrases and is using the same bad

1068
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 5: passwords across multiple accounts. So again, this isn't Dave Hatter's opinion.

1069
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 5: This is the federal government organization that's responsible for creating

1070
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 5: these guidelines that everyone follows anyway, telling you exactly what

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Speaker 5: to do.

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Speaker 1: See, you just knocked the recommendation down a notche I

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Speaker 1: trust you, Dave haddim, more than I trust something from

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Speaker 1: the federal government. Six forty six right now coming up.

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Speaker 1: Hackers using artificial intelligence siguanne a cyber crime spree. Eh

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Speaker 1: another version of that top Jushi six fifty one to

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Speaker 1: fifty five Karrositi talk station. One more segment in trust

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Speaker 1: it dot COM's Dave Hatter Dave hackers using artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: shocking no one, what's this one all about?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not at all. Surprising, Brian. You know, this is

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Speaker 5: something we've talked about off and on for a long time.

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Speaker 5: In particular, I just I want to keep reiterating with

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Speaker 5: people it is trivially easy and free or a bad

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Speaker 5: guy or a bad girl out there, bad actor, if

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Speaker 5: you will, to go online find a site where they

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Speaker 5: can clone a voice and deep fake someone. So when

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Speaker 5: you get a message or even possibly a live call

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Speaker 5: from someone that you think you know, your son, your wife,

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Speaker 5: your boss, wome ever, it could easily be a deep

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Speaker 5: fake voice clone. People say, well, how would you get

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Speaker 5: in my voice if I call your phone? Do you

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Speaker 5: have voicemail greeting? Well, I can clone you in less

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Speaker 5: than fifteen minutes. So that's just one angle. I'd like

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Speaker 5: to keep reiterating that that's not what this is about,

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Speaker 5: because I don't think people believe it until they see

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Speaker 5: it themselves, and I have demonstrated many times you can

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Speaker 5: do that. This is an article came from NBC and

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Speaker 5: it's basically based on a story from Anthropic. They're one

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Speaker 5: of the larger AI players and they said in a

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Speaker 5: report that they published on their website about their AI tool,

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Speaker 5: Claude quote used AI to what we believe is an

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Speaker 5: unpressed degree unquote. This is from their report to hack

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Speaker 5: and extort at least seventeen companies. This is the first

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Speaker 5: documented instance of this. I'm just kind of skimming over

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Speaker 5: this article because they have a few interesting points. And

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Speaker 5: then from this blog post from Anthropic about their own tool, right,

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Speaker 5: they said that the guy whoever used this created Malicia's

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Speaker 5: software to steal sensitive information from companies. He used it

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Speaker 5: to target specific companies that had particular vulnerabilities where this

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Speaker 5: software that was created by the AI bot could be used. Right,

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Speaker 5: It had flaws he could exploit, and then it organized

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Speaker 5: the hacked files, analyzed them to tell him like what

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Speaker 5: information was sensitive, and then could be used to try

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Speaker 5: to extort the victim. So basically, first off, I guess

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Speaker 5: kudos to the creativity of the hacker who was able

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Speaker 5: to realize that you could use this tool to do

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Speaker 5: all of these things, because you know, it's one thing

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Speaker 5: to be to have the skill to do these things yourself.

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Speaker 5: It's another to be which would be difficult, by the way,

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Speaker 5: It's another to go, Okay, I'm going to use some

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Speaker 5: AI tool like Claude or chat, GPT or rock or

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Speaker 5: something to help me, find companies that have vulnerabilities, write

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Speaker 5: software that ex can exploit those vulnerabilities, analyze the data

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Speaker 5: that I've captured, and then figure out how to go

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Speaker 5: after them for the money. Because here's informationally sensitive.

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Speaker 1: So you're asking artificial intelligence to sort of operate a

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Speaker 1: criminal enterprise and explain and break down how to do that.

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Speaker 10: Essentially.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you're getting advice and guidance and possibly

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Speaker 5: even you know, software or at least snippets of software

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Speaker 5: from this tool that you're then using to defraud someone else.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 5: Now they're saying this appears to be someone outside the US,

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Speaker 5: and happen over the span of three months. And supposely

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Speaker 5: all these tools have capabilities to prevent people from using

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Speaker 5: them in you know, criminal or at least unethical ways.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: You may hear the term jail breaking, the idea that

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Speaker 5: you can break out of the core functionality of something.

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Speaker 5: Apparently this individual was able to do that. It's just

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Speaker 5: it's interesting, and I have been warning for a long time,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't think certainly these large language based,

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Speaker 5: large language model based generative AI tools like Claude are

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Speaker 5: going to wipe us out or take all the jobs

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Speaker 5: anytime soon. And even though you hear about layoffs and

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Speaker 5: so forth, there are more and more stories coming out

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Speaker 5: showing the limitations.

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Speaker 10: Of these oh they and so forth.

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Speaker 1: Dave, real quick here. I did an introduct introduction of

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman at a fundraiser last week, and just just

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Speaker 1: to see how it worked, I said the chat GPT

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Speaker 1: and this is pretty close to what I typed in

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Speaker 1: prepare an introductory speech for Cincinnati mayoral candidate Corey Bowman

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Speaker 1: at a fundraiser in his honor, incorporating elements of his

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Speaker 1: platform and his personal life. It was basically three pages

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Speaker 1: of all erroneous information, wrong schools, wrong degrees, wrong jobs.

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Speaker 1: His platform was something out of a left wing uh

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of moist dream, if you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It had nothing to do with him at all.

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Speaker 1: So if you didn't know Corey Bowman, he let it

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Speaker 1: spit the information out you to look like a complete

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Speaker 1: idiot standing in front of the Crown reading it now.

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Speaker 1: I had no intention of reading, because people know that

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Speaker 1: I don't. I rarely ever read it at when I'm

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Speaker 1: doing MC's and facilitations like that. But I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to see what it looked like. And it was I

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Speaker 1: brought it to him. I said, hey, here's what chat

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Speaker 1: GPT has to say about you. It's really funny. Don't

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Speaker 1: rely on it. Dave Hatter, God bless you an interest

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Speaker 1: I for sponsoring this segment, keeping us on the right path.

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Speaker 1: Listen to what Dave has to say. He's not here

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Speaker 1: to steer you wrong. He's here to keep you out

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Speaker 1: of trouble. And of course, Interest it dot com to

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Speaker 1: each Dave and the crew for your personal or your

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Speaker 1: business needs with computers. Dave will do this again next Friday.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you willingness to come on the show and

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Speaker 1: talk about these matters and for sponsoring the segment.

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Speaker 10: Always my pleasure, Brian. I will look forward to talking

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Speaker 10: to you next Friday.

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Speaker 1: Tak Karen, have a great weekend. Brother six fifty six

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Speaker 1: right now in studio, he's already here, Citizen Brad Weinster,

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Speaker 1: a former congressman. He's got a few questions to talk

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Speaker 1: or a few answers. The two questions we've got, we'll

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Speaker 1: start with the government shutdown. Why not be right.

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Speaker 3: Back Today's top headlines coming up at seven oh six

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Speaker 3: on a Friday, and a very happy one to you.

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Speaker 3: Brian Thomas right here fifty five cars dot Com podcast page,

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Speaker 3: and you can't listen live, you just tune in. You

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Speaker 3: got to go back and listen to Tech Friday's Dave

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Speaker 3: hat Or great advice that one hour from now, Sarah

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Speaker 3: Herringer will to turn to the studio here fifty five

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Speaker 3: Krose and we'll get the latest on the Patrick Herringer legislation.

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Speaker 3: I know you know who Sarah is, but a reminder

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Speaker 3: to the extent you don't have the widow of Patrick

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Speaker 3: Herringer who is stabbed to death in there over the

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Speaker 3: Rhine apartment in front of her. He died in her arms,

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Speaker 3: and I just I cannot imagine the horror of having

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Speaker 3: to live through that. Sarah has been on the program before.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna hope she's getting closer to the goal of

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Speaker 3: getting Patrick Herringer legislation passed. Will also get her a

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Speaker 3: thought about what's going on in downtown Cincinnati in.

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Speaker 1: The meantime, without further ado in studio, I'm staring at him.

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Speaker 1: Former Congressman now private citizen, Brad Winster, Welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 1: It's always great having you here.

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Speaker 8: It's always a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Brian, you lived it you as congressman. You've been through

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Speaker 1: this before. You remember shutdowns before, don't you? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I do, I do all too well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got him resolved in the past. This one seems

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Speaker 1: to be a horse of a different color, because I

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Speaker 1: think it's just it's insanity. I mean, what is going

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Speaker 1: on now makes absolutely no sense? And did the extend

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Speaker 1: anybody is paying attention to this? I don't mean this

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Speaker 1: the idea of the concept of who's gonna win the

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Speaker 1: blame game? Right, who's gonna get blamed for the shutdown?

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Speaker 1: It seems to be the focus of everything. Well in

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Speaker 1: this particular case, to the extent you care. How could

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Speaker 1: the Democrats escape absolute ownership of this shutdown? The Republicans

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Speaker 1: cleared the deck of any argument that might have by

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Speaker 1: passing that clean continued resolution keeping funding levels under the

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Speaker 1: Biden era funding levels that the Democrats fought for. So here, guys,

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Speaker 1: we've got that. Let's keep the government funded at your

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Speaker 1: level until we get this situation resolved. The twelve appropriations bills,

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Speaker 1: So they got an end data. What is it November?

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Speaker 1: Is it twenty first or something? In the legislation. It's

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Speaker 1: it's fast approaching so as I read Kimberly Strassel did

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Speaker 1: an analysis of this, you know, TikTok, TikTok. Are they really

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Speaker 1: going to be able accomplish anything even if they get

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Speaker 1: this clean CR pass in the Senate, which does not

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Speaker 1: look likely yesterday, wouldn't even vote to pay military and

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Speaker 1: f and air traffic controllers. Just keep them paid while

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Speaker 1: we work out this mess. No, no, no, And I

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Speaker 1: can read you what Chuckie Schumer said, because it makes

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Speaker 1: no sense whatsoever. Chuckie Schumer called giving the Capitol police

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Speaker 1: and ice agents and federal certain congressional employees, the air

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Speaker 1: traffic controllers, the park rang, federal law enforcement people that

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Speaker 1: are critical. Nobody's denying this. People that are still essential workers.

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Speaker 1: They're working without a paycheck, so let's just give them

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Speaker 1: their paycheck. No, said Democrats, and Chuckie Schumer quoted as

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Speaker 1: saying it meaning the bill nothing more than another tool

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Speaker 1: for Trump to hurt federal workers and American families and

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Speaker 1: to keep this shutdown going on for as long as

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Speaker 1: he wants. We will not give Donald Trump a license

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Speaker 1: to play politics with people's livelihoods. That's why we oppose this.

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Speaker 1: Does that make any sense to you consider what was proposed,

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Speaker 1: not at all, it's exactly the opposite. He makes two

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Speaker 1: cases and they contradict each other. He said, this is

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Speaker 1: a tool to hurt people. It's a tool to pay people.

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Speaker 8: I don't think anyone ever feels hurt when they get paid,

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Speaker 8: do you, Brian.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, it's an expectation, honestly, right.

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Speaker 8: And he says this is a tool to hurt the

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Speaker 8: American people in what way? And that's the other thing.

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Speaker 8: He makes these comments, and no one says, how is

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Speaker 8: paying people hurting? And no one asked that more fundly

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Speaker 8: paying people who are still working. This isn't somebody who's

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Speaker 8: non essential in sitting at home contemplating their navel or

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Speaker 8: playing you know, candy Crush or whatever on their app

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Speaker 8: These are people that are actually going on and most

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Speaker 8: notably some of the hardest work.

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Speaker 1: That's being done. ICE agents on the front line are

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Speaker 1: off essentially like in the middle of a combat zone,

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Speaker 1: and they're there and they're not getting paid. Now, we

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Speaker 1: all know that it's just accruing that they will get

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Speaker 1: paid once the government opens up, if it does, But

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Speaker 1: how about getting these very very loyal and valuable people

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Speaker 1: paid right now.

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Speaker 8: Especially them, because you do have people that are sitting

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Speaker 8: at home, not by their own desire, but they are.

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Speaker 8: And what always happens in one of these shutdowns is

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Speaker 8: you retrospectively, you pay them, and you pay them for

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Speaker 8: not working for a month or however long it last. Yes,

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Speaker 8: I went through this in thirteen. You know, I thought

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Speaker 8: we were on the right side of things. Yeah, shut

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Speaker 8: down the government. Well you find out pretty quickly how

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Speaker 8: even your friends and loyal constituents are upset because if

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Speaker 8: services they can't get, if they need their pay, sport

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Speaker 8: to go travel, if they have a problem with Social Security,

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Speaker 8: the irs, and all these things are shut down, and

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Speaker 8: you learn you start opening them up. And so this

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Speaker 8: is what they're trying to do here, right Let's open

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Speaker 8: up this. Let's just open this up right now and

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Speaker 8: pay these people. And he says, no, I don't know.

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Speaker 8: This is a bizarre time in American history. And I

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Speaker 8: hope that enough people understand what is taking place here,

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Speaker 8: because this is the mentality of like an AOC. You

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Speaker 8: expect comments like that sure out of AOC because that's

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Speaker 8: who and what she has been, And you.

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Speaker 1: Don't really, at least historically up until recent history, you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't expect.

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Speaker 8: That out of a guy like Chuck Schumer, right, But

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Speaker 8: now his back is against the wall, right because AOC

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Speaker 8: is I'm going to run for Senate. I'm going to

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Speaker 8: I might run for Senate. And then he knows this

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Speaker 8: and so he has to out AOC AOC.

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Speaker 1: So he's capitulated to the far left wing of the party.

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Speaker 1: If Chucky Schumer will say previously, I guess comparatively to

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Speaker 1: now a voice of reason, I mean, that's hard to come.

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Speaker 10: Out of my mouth.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's called his prior position within the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: somewhat reasonable, maybe in the center. He is now at

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Speaker 1: least acknowledging his capitulation to this far left wing. So

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Speaker 1: there is no more practical centrist right side of the

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Speaker 1: eighty twenty issue Democrats anymore.

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Speaker 8: No, it doesn't say maybe a betterment, Yeah, exactly, and

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Speaker 8: probably the last person we thought who would be there. No,

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Speaker 8: that's you know, you just never know what you're going

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Speaker 8: to get, right, Yeah, But it's it's very interesting that

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Speaker 8: they're just carrying this on and the shutdown is the way,

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Speaker 8: and you know, people have got to understand, especially those

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Speaker 8: that are suffering from this, need to say, like why

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Speaker 8: are you doing this, Not only that you said something

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Speaker 8: when you open this up, it's the Biden era policies

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Speaker 8: that are still in place, you know, and Republicans want

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Speaker 8: to go through normal appropriations process where the government is

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Speaker 8: a function. As our founder said, set it up that

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Speaker 8: we the people are going to determine what we spend

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Speaker 8: money on, et cetera, et cetera, and said, continuing resolution

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Speaker 8: just keeps ongoing what's already in place without a discussion. Basically, right,

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Speaker 8: you're not going to fix things that need to be fixed.

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Speaker 8: You're not going to get rid of things that don't

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Speaker 8: need to be there.

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Speaker 1: Which is why Massy voted no on it because it

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Speaker 1: didn't contain cuts. He wanted substantial cuts in the CR,

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Speaker 1: and the Republicans said, collectively, as a chess game strategy, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're going to keep that. We're not going to give

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Speaker 1: them any reason to complain. It's their level. I get

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Speaker 1: the math and the strategy for doing that. I'm obviously

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Speaker 1: with Massy on wishing that there were some cuts in

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Speaker 1: the CR, but we're not getting either.

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Speaker 8: So this doesn't mean, well, we all wish there were cuts,

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Speaker 8: I mean, but we're living with a government today and

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Speaker 8: in America today, where they're a large swath of America

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Speaker 8: really doesn't care that we're going into more debt. I mean,

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Speaker 8: one of the things I always tried to say when

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Speaker 8: you look at any bill is will this bill make

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Speaker 8: Americans more free? And will the next generation say thank you?

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Speaker 10: You?

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Speaker 8: And when you're putting the next generation in further and

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Speaker 8: further debt, how would they possibly say thank you? And

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Speaker 8: that's where that's where Thomas is and I get that,

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Speaker 8: but strategically, because half of America is that way. If

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Speaker 8: you want to get anything done and say that you

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Speaker 8: have a government that can actually function on behalf of

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Speaker 8: the American people, you have to keep it open. And

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Speaker 8: so you think, okay, let's continue these debates. But the

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Speaker 8: thing is they're arguing about the subsidies for insurance companies

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Speaker 8: that aren't making anyone else healthier. I mean, that's the thing.

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Speaker 8: It's just insurance companies while it's getting healthier, And that's

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Speaker 8: what they're arguing for that they want to keep those

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Speaker 8: subsidies going when you know, this is just an entity

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Speaker 8: that denies and delays your care anyway. It's not like

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Speaker 8: those subsidies suddenly make America healthier, you know, make America

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Speaker 8: healthy again, right, healthiest nation on the planet is we

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Speaker 8: were calling it before Maha came around. Well, you know

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Speaker 8: this is this is absurd. And not only that, the

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Speaker 8: CR continues those subsidies for the time being. What what

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Speaker 8: what are you fighting for?

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Speaker 1: The expiration date is this year. Based upon the Democrats legislation,

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Speaker 1: they put the end date for the subsidies this counter year, December.

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Speaker 1: They own that they can't deny it. They saw this

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Speaker 1: coming for miles and miles away. They presumed that this

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Speaker 1: current president would not be president. They presumed that their

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Speaker 1: guy or gals the case may be last minute which

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Speaker 1: was going to take over office, that Democrats would regain

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Speaker 1: retain control, and that they would then vote in these

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Speaker 1: subsidies as permanent. It didn't work out the way they

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Speaker 1: thought it was going to work out, but they still

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Speaker 1: own the end date. Let's deliver on it.

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Speaker 8: And they sold it as we need to do this

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Speaker 8: because of COVID.

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Speaker 1: COVID a great point and needed to be made seven fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Right now more with citizen private citizen Brad, weinstrip on

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Speaker 1: more topics. We'll talk the ceasefire agreement. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media. We've got a variety of other things

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Speaker 1: to speak of. Stick around for the full hour fifty

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Speaker 1: five krc the Toxication seven nineteens. If you got KRCD

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Speaker 1: talk station, Happy Friday made extra special. Happy Private Citizen

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Speaker 1: Brad Winster, former Congressman, in studio going through the issues.

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Speaker 1: He's been there, done that, and speaks from authority and

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Speaker 1: knowledge about the craziness that's going on real quick here

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Speaker 1: insofar as the shutdown, Who's getting paid who's not getting paid?

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Speaker 1: Question for you, Congressman former Congressman winsor is the CIA

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Speaker 1: getting paid? We don't even know how much money they

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Speaker 1: get every year. I don't if they're carved out. They're

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Speaker 1: so secret. We don't even know what the American taxpayer

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Speaker 1: spends running that organization. I bet they're getting paid. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that you don't have to comment, mister security

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Speaker 1: level clearance guy, if you can't speak to it, but.

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Speaker 8: Well, I will say that where that is done, and

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Speaker 8: this is a unique situation for sure, as far as

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Speaker 8: who's getting paid what and what we're spending money on,

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Speaker 8: and for good reason that is held you know you

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Speaker 8: have that is held in the IAA. That's the Intelligence

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Speaker 8: Authorization Act, which is secret.

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Speaker 1: Well it is, there's.

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Speaker 8: Covert operations, there's various things in there, and then it

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Speaker 8: and usually that ends up being very bipartisan, and it's bipartisan.

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Speaker 8: Members of the Intelligence Committee sure that talk to the

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Speaker 8: other members of Congress and explain what the spending is.

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Speaker 1: In every member of Congress and all the elected officials

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Speaker 1: that yes, the CIA does indeed have a dossier on

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Speaker 1: each and every one of them, and your damn well

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Speaker 1: better approve their budget and what they asked for or

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Speaker 1: they're going to leak the information out of the general public.

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Speaker 1: I've heard suggestions along those lines before.

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Speaker 8: Well, there certainly has been some nefarious behavior, especially as

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Speaker 8: it related to January sixth, and you've seen a lot

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Speaker 8: of that.

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Speaker 1: Coming out here Edgar Hoover days.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the senators being investigated, and you know, I will

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Speaker 8: say that what has happened is is I hope continues,

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Speaker 8: at least in my time on Intelligence Committee, which I

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Speaker 8: was on till I left in January, we're now going

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Speaker 8: into the intelligence community. I think when I first started

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Speaker 8: on that committee, you would have briefs and they would

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Speaker 8: just come in and tell you stuff and now it's

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Speaker 8: like no, no, no, we're telling you stuff. We want

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Speaker 8: to work with you, and we want to approve what

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Speaker 8: you're doing, and we want to know fully what you're doing.

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Speaker 8: And you don't just get to come in here and

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Speaker 8: say this is our policy and blah blah blah. No,

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Speaker 8: we have oversight over you. And it's being much more

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Speaker 8: active than it ever was.

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Speaker 1: Good. It's good that you're certainly the oversight role because

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Speaker 1: that's what you've been elected to do. This is our money,

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Speaker 1: it's what we pay for. Are they doing things efficiently?

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Speaker 1: Are they answering the right questions? Are they hiding? Are

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Speaker 1: they committing to farious acts behind the scenes. I think

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Speaker 1: we should all be entitled to know that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 8: Brad Well, we started fencing money, Brian, because when they

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Speaker 8: weren't telling us what we wanted to know. And this

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Speaker 8: has to do with COVID and for example, the origins

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Speaker 8: of COVID and the commission that Biden put out. And

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Speaker 8: they came and said, it's our policy not to tell

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Speaker 8: you who we talked to, and I said, no, no, no, now,

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Speaker 8: this is our government. I just want you to know.

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Speaker 8: You don't get to put a policy in place like that,

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Speaker 8: And the reaction was the Director of National Intelligence called

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Speaker 8: me two hours later because I said, by the way,

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Speaker 8: we created your agency and we fund your agency. So

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Speaker 8: she called me right away, and I'll never forget when

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Speaker 8: I got some of the information I wanted. She said,

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Speaker 8: do I get my ten million now? Because we started

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Speaker 8: holding money back.

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Speaker 1: Oh so it's not all bad.

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Speaker 8: We're sometimes doing some things to improve the situation.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well there's my I got my problems with

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Speaker 1: the CIA out of my system on that one. So

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Speaker 1: over to where do you want to go on this?

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Speaker 1: I r s, well, we were going to talk peat fire.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, just you know, and it can blend into a

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Speaker 8: lot of things.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trum Abraham Accords. I don't care about the Nobel

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Speaker 1: Peace Prize, but someone's going to qualify a guy for

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Speaker 1: the Nobel Peace Prizes. It's negotia peace with formerly basically

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Speaker 1: warring Middle East countries and in Israel for centuries. He

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Speaker 1: was able to successfully bring that about with a handful

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Speaker 1: of the Arab nations. Wants to extend the Abraham Accords

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Speaker 1: and negotiating peace with other countries. Now he's having great

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Speaker 1: success doing that. In Lo and Behold, he gets at

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Speaker 1: least phase one of a negotiated settlement between of all

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Speaker 1: all people, Hamas and Israel. Everyone should have been celebrating that.

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Speaker 1: I was very happy about that. I mean, Hamas, as

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Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, should be blown off the map

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Speaker 1: because just for that, the October seventh murderous spree they

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Speaker 1: went on. They're irredeemable. Fine, but you got to negotiate

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Speaker 1: them because they run the territory, they represent the Palestinian

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Speaker 1: people there. I just voted office. At some point he's

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Speaker 1: able to bring about phase one. The world should be rejoicing.

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Speaker 1: And I know it didn't take completely. There are factions

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Speaker 1: within the Hamas community apparently who don't want to follow

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Speaker 1: the lead. But it's a great step in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: But he's getting no love for that.

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Speaker 8: And he took the effort, you know, But what happens,

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Speaker 8: what happens within the media today is nothing. You know,

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Speaker 8: is one article said, it's crickets from the ceasefire now brigade.

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Speaker 8: All the people screaming for a ceasefire. You know, everybody,

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Speaker 8: both sides just yelling for ceasefire, ceasefire, more on the

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Speaker 8: Israeli side. But at the same time, it gets done

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Speaker 8: you get a ceasefire, and no one has anything to say.

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Speaker 8: But Biden's former secretary of State said, oh, well, this

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Speaker 8: was set up by what Biden put in place.

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Speaker 1: What did he put in place? Nothing?

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Speaker 8: He put nothing in place. He got no one back.

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Speaker 8: You know, Blincoln was abysmal failure with what getting hostages

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Speaker 8: out or anything like that. Nothing actually happened.

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Speaker 1: Seventh was on I believe Biden's watch, brad Am, I

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Speaker 1: remembering my history correctly, that's the slaughter of the Israeli

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Speaker 1: grand grandparents and children and babies. That was Biden's administration. Yep,

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Speaker 1: setting up that piece deal right there. And and what

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Speaker 1: CNN said, Christian, I'm on poor. She said, well, the

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Speaker 1: hostages were probably being treated better than the average gossen

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Speaker 1: while they were in captivity.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you've got to be kidding, Yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 8: how come they didn't all survive if they were being

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Speaker 8: treated better? I mean, this is just really unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: But this is what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 8: I mean, Brian, you have listeners that pay attention, and

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Speaker 8: you have listeners that you know are seeking the truth

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Speaker 8: as much as anything else and not just going to

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Speaker 8: mainstream media nodding their head and going, I guess.

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Speaker 1: That's what it is.

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Speaker 8: Or the biggest thing is the absence of information that

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Speaker 8: the media doesn't put out.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 8: And for example, I wonder how many people actually reported

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Speaker 8: on the whistleblowers from the I R S that came

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Speaker 8: forward about Hunter Biden and how he wasn't paying his

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Speaker 8: taxes and his felonies and they got slammed.

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Speaker 1: Let's pause from them. We can talk with some of

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Speaker 1: the details on that as we uh here, we're at

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Speaker 1: a break here at seven twenty five more with brad

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Speaker 1: Winstrip seven twenty five right now fifty five KR City

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Speaker 1: Talk Station.

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Speaker 11: Fifty five KRC programming is is supported by the Universetation.

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Speaker 1: Seven twenty nine to five k City Talk Station. Brian

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Speaker 1: Thomas with citizen Brad's winsterrip of former Congressan brad Winstrip

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Speaker 1: security clearance and everything he's seen, it, been there, done,

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Speaker 1: it knows where the skeletons are buried, where they're hanging,

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Speaker 1: and can't tell us a lot of that stuff because

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Speaker 1: he's a subject to privacy rules or something. Brad Winstrop

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Speaker 1: just giving you a hard time. You were talking about

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Speaker 1: the irs and when you mentioned it to me, off

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Speaker 1: air earlier in this morning, when you talked about the whistleblowers,

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Speaker 1: I immediately gravitated, as old as I am now to lowesst.

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Speaker 1: Larner's weaponization of the IRS against conservative organizations. I mean,

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Speaker 1: really brazen, brazen attacks on Republican conservative organizations. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just I can't believe that more people weren't mad

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Speaker 1: about that kind of thing. You hit the weaponization of

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Speaker 1: the Justice Department, or Eric Holder going after banks threatening

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Speaker 1: him with a complying audits that they didn't quit doing

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Speaker 1: legitimate business with legitimate licensed businesses. Those revelations, to me

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Speaker 1: spoke volumes about the weaponization of these agencies against the

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Speaker 1: American people for political to achieve political purposes. Now, if

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Speaker 1: it was the it was some great if Congressman Thomas

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Speaker 1: Massey or Senator Ranpaul had organized this on behalf of

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Speaker 1: libertarian minded folks. So we're sticking in my wheelhouse here,

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Speaker 1: something I would. You know, the idea that people turn

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Speaker 1: libertarian is great, But if they weaponized any of those

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Speaker 1: agencies to serve my political ends, I'd be mad as

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Speaker 1: hell about it, as much as I have about anyone

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Speaker 1: who was able to weaponize these agencies. It delegitimizes the

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Speaker 1: American government period, and that creates a disrupting force in America.

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Speaker 1: If you don't trust your government, Uh, what are you

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Speaker 1: fighting for? That's right, and we had that continuation. Though

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Speaker 1: this issue you're gonna mention with the war was post

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Speaker 1: lawis Lerner this a little.

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Speaker 8: Bit, but it tells you how long this type of

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Speaker 8: attitude has existed. Yes, that you may know in your

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Speaker 8: mind what's right and wrong, but if you find a

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Speaker 8: way to justify what you were doing. See, it's sort

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Speaker 8: of like the communist rule. And that's where I think

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Speaker 8: the left is going today obviously, but it's like it's

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Speaker 8: not it's not a lie if it benefits.

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Speaker 1: The party, because is okay if it serves our ends.

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Speaker 8: Yes, because it because we know what's best for the country,

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Speaker 8: and it's not good for the country. If Hunter Biden

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Speaker 8: is actually committing crimes and it's revealed, because that's really

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Speaker 8: what happened, and he was committing crimes. I mean, if

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Speaker 8: you if you think about what was taking place, you know,

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Speaker 8: and what was later discovered and I was there House Republicans,

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Speaker 8: we found Hunter Biden and his associates hauled in twenty

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Speaker 8: seven million from foreign service, foreign sources during and after

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Speaker 8: Joe Biden's vice president see and this money was coming

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Speaker 8: from individuals and companies in Ukraine, Romania, China, oligarchs, oligarchs.

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Speaker 8: Joe Biden on his way out of the door said,

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Speaker 8: Trump's going to run the country by oligarchs. Well, you

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Speaker 8: know what, if he does, at least they'll be American oligarchs.

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Speaker 8: And therein lies a huge difference because you know, hopefully

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Speaker 8: we're seeing our oligarchs working towards the benefit of America

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Speaker 8: and not for self interest only.

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Speaker 1: So well, their self interest can work in the benefit

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Speaker 1: of American people. I point to the data centers. You

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Speaker 1: get these massive, multi, multi billion billion dollar corporations like

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Speaker 1: alphabet They need energy and they can afford to buy

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Speaker 1: their own small modular reactors. They can build them themselves.

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Speaker 1: They can deliver to the American people with our elected

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Speaker 1: officials refuse to give us, which is small footprint, abundant,

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Speaker 1: unlimited power to serve our needs and needs of these

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Speaker 1: big oligarch companies, evil as they may be, they're going

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Speaker 1: to deliver on that point in my lifetime. And that's

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Speaker 1: a great thing.

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Speaker 8: Well, the private sector is going to need to do

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Speaker 8: more and more, and we can talk.

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Speaker 1: On that well free. So the regulatory burden out here

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Speaker 1: in the private sector we will.

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Speaker 8: But the but these whistleblowers came forward and they just

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Speaker 8: got beaten down by media and by the irs itself.

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Speaker 8: I mean the people that were coming forward. For example,

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Speaker 8: they know the difference between right and wrong.

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Speaker 1: Right making a democrat he kiss all the checkbox for

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Speaker 1: the woke agenda in his rest exactly.

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Speaker 8: And he stood there he said, he said, look, I

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Speaker 8: am a Democrat, I am gay, but there's right and wrong.

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Speaker 8: And I was doing my job. And the other gentleman

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Speaker 8: was a Republican, and they said, we were doing our job.

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Speaker 8: We were discovering what was taking place. We discovered the felonies,

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Speaker 8: We discovered the tax faults of Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 1: He was paying his taxes on the millions that he

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Speaker 1: was taken in from the oligarchs.

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Speaker 8: So he wasn't paying these taxes. And they were told

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Speaker 8: to stand down, and then they came forward as whistleblowers

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Speaker 8: and then they're being berated and they were told to

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Speaker 8: either resign or accept a lesser position. And all of

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Speaker 8: this was going on. They testified in front of our committee,

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Speaker 8: and it is really amazing. Now they have a settlement,

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Speaker 8: and that's why it's in the news, and that's why

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Speaker 8: I wanted to bring it up today because it's in

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Speaker 8: the news that they got their settlement and from the

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Speaker 8: IRS and from the DOJ for illegal retaliation against them

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Speaker 8: as whistleblowers. But they also said there needs to be

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Speaker 8: a requirement this is part of the settlement for new

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Speaker 8: training for federal prosecutors. That's part of their settlement. Like you, now,

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Speaker 8: we have to teach right and wrong, and that's part

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Speaker 8: of the settlement. I mean, it's a good thing. I

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Speaker 8: credit them for doing that. And what the Trump administration

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Speaker 8: did for them is actually promoted them within the IRS,

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Speaker 8: because these are the type of people you want to

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Speaker 8: have in the IR because right is right and wrong

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Speaker 8: is wrong, and we have to drum out the lowest learners.

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Speaker 8: And all these other people that have been in these

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Speaker 8: agencies been there a long time, Brian. They know that

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Speaker 8: they can wait out any administration and if they can

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Speaker 8: make things, you know, water under the bridge, then then

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Speaker 8: so be it. And you know, this ties into what

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Speaker 8: Taulsea Gaber did by the Trump administration taking away the

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Speaker 8: security clearances of the fifty one people that signed the

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Speaker 8: letter saying that Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation. It looks

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Speaker 8: like Russian disinformation, carefully worded, right, But they never checked.

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Speaker 8: They never went and looked. And what we discovered is

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Speaker 8: that they were told, we're doing this to help Joe

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Speaker 8: Biden in his debate against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And after long after the FBI had already determined that

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Speaker 1: the Hunter Biden laptop was in fact authentic. That was

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Speaker 1: information known to the FBI when that let came out.

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Speaker 1: More with Brad Winster stick around seven thirty five right

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Speaker 1: now here fifty five KRCIT.

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Speaker 11: Talk station, fifty five krc.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Lee thirty nine here, fifty five KRSIT

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Speaker 1: talk station. Citizen Brad Webster, former congressman in studio going

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Speaker 1: through all the issues. And I had had to go

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Speaker 1: at the CIA earlier, sort of a tongue in cheek

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Speaker 1: kind of go but I figured they were getting paid

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Speaker 1: during the shutdown regardless, And moving forward, I saw John Brannan.

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Speaker 1: His name's made it back in the news. It has.

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Speaker 8: He's been referred by House Republicans for allegedly lying to

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Speaker 8: Congress about the Steele dossier. But if you follow the

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Speaker 8: statements that he made. And then what you discover that

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Speaker 8: the CIA and the FBI did with it. For example,

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Speaker 8: with the Steele Dassian, they put it in their Intelligence

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Speaker 8: Community Assessment, in spite of high level CIA officials saying, no,

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Speaker 8: this thing is unbeverified. There's we got here and they

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Speaker 8: knew where it came from. Also, yeah, and you should

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Speaker 8: not be putting this in the assessment. And but lo

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Speaker 8: and behold that they did. And you know, so he's

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Speaker 8: kind of trapped with the things that he has said.

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Speaker 8: And he said that the CIA was not involved at

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Speaker 8: all with the Stil Dassie.

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Speaker 1: You forgot about that pesky paper trail, didn't he?

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Speaker 8: I guess he did. And you know, but like you said,

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Speaker 8: the thing has many flaws. We can't verify it. But

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Speaker 8: you know, the agency, the agencies are such the authoritarian

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Speaker 8: threat to democracy. That's that's our problem. You know, no

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Speaker 8: one voted for people in the agency right at all,

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Speaker 8: and they sit there longer. That's where we need term limits.

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Speaker 8: By the way is, you know, people should be there

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Speaker 8: just like the military. You serve and when your time comes,

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Speaker 8: you move on. If you're not promoted to get out.

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Speaker 8: I've said that many times. But still in all you

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Speaker 8: can see the power that they wield and they're doing

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Speaker 8: things for political purposes because they didn't want Donald Trump.

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Speaker 8: They don't like Donald Trump, and therefore these actions continue

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Speaker 8: to be taken. So now you have you know, Tulsea

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Speaker 8: Geberd and she is leading the charge to look into

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Speaker 8: the weaposition of government. There's an interagency Weaponization working Group,

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Speaker 8: and they're looking back at everything and looking at the

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Speaker 8: things that were done, especially during the last four years

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Speaker 8: under the Biden administration, and the conduct that took place

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Speaker 8: in there. I mean, it's pretty interesting when you start

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Speaker 8: finding things in burn bags that we're supposed to have

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Speaker 8: been burned and destroyed, and you're getting a lot of information.

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Speaker 8: Maybe somebody left a gift, or maybe it's a god

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Speaker 8: thing that wants America and the American people to have

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Speaker 8: truth in things. But you know, Brian, there's a big

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Speaker 8: difference between law, fair weaponization, revenge, and actual truth and justice,

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Speaker 8: which used to be the American.

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Speaker 1: Way, and no greater illustration of that. We can talk

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Speaker 1: about the impeachment here. He's we talked of the allegations

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Speaker 1: predicated upon a lie, the Steele dossier, that of course

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Speaker 1: was whole cloth created by the Democratic Party and handed

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Speaker 1: over and of course then leaked because it was in

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Speaker 1: fact attached to that CIA assessment, even though the agent

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Speaker 1: said it had no basis in truth or fact. It

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Speaker 1: was attached for the purpose of getting it leaked to

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Speaker 1: the press. That's how we all came to realize it

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Speaker 1: was even a Steele dossier out in the world. And

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Speaker 1: then it was pedaled as absolute truth. Oh, Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: over there urinating off prostitutes or something. Now some fill

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Speaker 1: in the black fec non compliant word made that up.

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Speaker 1: So we're living under the umbrella of those lies, repeated

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Speaker 1: over and over again. So and it was first they

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Speaker 1: created all of this in an effort to Brennan from

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Speaker 1: getting elected, and then after being elected, they used all

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Speaker 1: of this to undermine anything he was trying to do

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Speaker 1: during his first presidency, so they failed to keep him

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Speaker 1: out of office, and then continued the lie to subject

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Speaker 1: him to impeachment hearings. But go over to New York

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Speaker 1: where he's being prosecuted for overinflating the value of his

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Speaker 1: real estate. That to me is number one. I even

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Speaker 1: talked about that with Eric Trump about his new book,

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Speaker 1: and I brought it up because I'm so glad you

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Speaker 1: brought that up, he said. Nobody ever asked me about that,

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01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 1: because I know about the litigation. These are sophisticated parties

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Speaker 1: to the contract. Donald Trump says, I want to borrow money.

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Speaker 1: The bank one of the biggest banks in the world.

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Speaker 1: They have their own real estate evaluation team. They can

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Speaker 1: know what something is or isn't. They don't have to

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Speaker 1: take his word for it, and who would. So they

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Speaker 1: loan him the money. They're paid back interest. In all,

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Speaker 1: he's one of their best customers. They testified in court

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Speaker 1: there was no damage. This wasn't even a justiciable controversy,

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Speaker 1: and yet he ultimately was found guilty. That just to me,

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Speaker 1: was the greatest illustration of actual lawfare charges predicated on nothing.

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Speaker 8: Look, every homeowner knows what an appraiser does. Yeah right,

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Speaker 8: I mean, this isn't Donald Trump setting a value. There

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Speaker 8: are appraisers, and banks are going to rely on appraisers.

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Speaker 1: Thanks are going to rely on their own appraisers. That's

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, yeah, So, and again they got

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the contractual bar and willowon X at

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Speaker 1: this interest rate. He paid back X with the interest.

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Speaker 1: Great customers do that. He didn't fall behind, he didn't

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Speaker 1: breach the contracts. It's not an issue, it's not a

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Speaker 1: justiciable controversy, and yet he was found guilty on that.

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Speaker 1: It's just that shows you how corrupt the court system

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Speaker 1: is in New York as well as the Attorney General.

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Speaker 8: Well, and that's why attorneys are always fighting for the

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01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,839
Speaker 8: right venue and hopefully they'll get a fair shake somewhere.

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Speaker 8: You know, we're kind of, I think overall lucky to

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Speaker 8: be in the Midwest. I don't know about Hamilton County. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: well anymore, but I'm glad you qualified that. Yes, the

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Speaker 8: elections coming up, early voting going on, make sure you

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Speaker 8: have selected the appropriate judges, which include Judge Berkowitz. Sticking around,

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Speaker 8: we got one more with Congressman wins Or former Congressman Went.

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Speaker 8: It's seven forty five right now, fifty five karsee talk

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Speaker 8: station fifty five KRC.

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Speaker 1: Ready to get your carpets of parsee the talk station.

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Speaker 10: Friday.

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Speaker 1: And before we get back to brad Winstrip in the studio,

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Speaker 1: former Congressman, We're going to talk to Officer Tivity Green

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Speaker 1: for the Cincinnai Police defarment. God bless them and all

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Speaker 1: they do for the city. We're going to catch ourselves

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Speaker 1: a bad guy, actually bad girl the week. Tiffany Green,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Happy Friday, Good morning, So bad girl this week?

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Speaker 1: Are we looking for?

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati Police District three is looking for Yolanda Bellomo. Miz

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01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 7: Bellamo is warning for a felony escape and misdemeanor set

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01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 7: on August fourteenth and twenty twenty five. Miss Bellamo normally

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01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 7: walked away from the University of Cincinnati Medical Center Hospital

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Speaker 7: before being placed back into police custy for her original charge.

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Speaker 7: Assess Yolanda BelOMO is a female White. She's forty eight

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Speaker 7: years old, five ten and one hundred and seventy pounds.

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Speaker 7: Yolanda Bellomo has a history. Assess last now to live

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Speaker 7: on Sabledor Street in Mount Washington, off the Green.

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Speaker 1: We have any information who were going to call? If

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01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: we know where she might be.

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Speaker 7: Please call crime Stoppers at five one three three five

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Speaker 7: two thirty forty or submit a tip online at crime

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Speaker 7: dask stoppers dot us.

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Speaker 1: You got a tip, you may be able to cash

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01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,560
Speaker 1: reward if at least and arrest, and you will remain anonymous.

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Speaker 1: Officer Green, thank you for all that you do. On

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Speaker 1: behalf of the City of Cincinnati. God bless the police department,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you have a fantastic weekend. We'll be

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Speaker 1: looking for her pictures on my blog page fifty five

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Speaker 1: KRC dot com. Back to Brad Webster. Up, Brad, what

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Speaker 1: are we going to conclude on? What topics you want

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Speaker 1: to go over in this final segment here with my listeners.

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Speaker 8: On the Well, you know, I think there's a lot

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Speaker 8: of things we can talk about, things that I'm still

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Speaker 8: working on, or things with biotech. I think we're in

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Speaker 8: a we're in a position, Brian in a way where

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01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 8: we have to advance ourselves. And it's kind of like

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Speaker 8: pre World War Two if you if you think about it,

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Speaker 8: you know, we were kind of isolationists that time, and

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01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,880
Speaker 8: Germany was just going forward with advanced engineering and all

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Speaker 8: types of things that made him a dominant force. And

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Speaker 8: I think that we're in that kind of a situation

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Speaker 8: with China today, and so I think we're going to

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Speaker 8: see a lot of private industry working with government to

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Speaker 8: try and advance as there's a National National Security Commission

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Speaker 8: on Emerging Biotech and you can see what they've done online.

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Speaker 8: There's an unclassified version and it makes a lot of suggestions,

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01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 8: and I would recommend all people to be thinking about

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01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 8: what it is out there that we need to go.

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Speaker 8: You were talking before about energy and AI and things

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Speaker 8: like that. We have to be forward thinking like this

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01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 8: stuff because it's here to stay and we want to

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Speaker 8: be the dominant factor.

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Speaker 1: We know anything by way that you can measure something

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Speaker 1: that would be called success or failure. Donald Trump is

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01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: bringing in some very successful outcomes, one of which is

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Speaker 1: you saw the literally billions and billions of dollars of

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Speaker 1: commitments from a variety of different pharmaceutical companies to build

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Speaker 1: new facilities, to hire new people, develop drugs here in

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Speaker 1: the United States, manufacture them here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: That is a painful lesson we all woke up to

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Speaker 1: out of COVID nineteen Jeez, Louise, our entire military, including

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Speaker 1: the American population or all reliant upon China for pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 1: If we got in a fighting war, do you think

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Speaker 1: they deliver our pharmaceutical request?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 8: Right, And that's one of the things the tools they

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01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 8: have in their chest is they cut it off. CEO

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Speaker 8: in Europe said, if they cut us off, our shelves

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Speaker 8: are empty in two months, right, I mean that's you know,

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Speaker 8: I asked the question, you know, as a as a soldier,

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Speaker 8: how did our military let this happen that we rely

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Speaker 8: on an enemy. Well, we're addressing it today, but we've

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Speaker 8: got to make a lot of changes. And this is

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Speaker 8: the type of stuff that Donald Trump can orchestrate that

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Speaker 8: we've got to do these types of things, and here's

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Speaker 8: how we're going to go about doing it. But it

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Speaker 8: all comes down even to the active pharmaceutical ingredients. It's

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Speaker 8: not just making them, it's they control what goes into them.

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Speaker 8: Now that's the problem with batteries and rare earth. And

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Speaker 8: so you're seeing that address more and more, and this

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Speaker 8: is where the private sector is going to come into play.

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Speaker 8: But I did like something that was said in the

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Speaker 8: Wall Street Journal over the weekend. He said, if you

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01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 8: hate Trump, maybe you just hate the times we live in.

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Speaker 8: For Trump is the zeitgeist on a golf cart. And

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01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 8: we were talking about that off the air. He's the

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Speaker 8: person for the time and we are in a different time.

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Speaker 8: You know, Ronald Reagan was my favorite and just a hero.

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Speaker 8: But this is a different time, and Trump is adjusting

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01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 8: to the times that we're living in and where technology

1838
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 8: is and where social media is and what needs to

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01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 8: be done, and everyone was concerned about him being an

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Speaker 8: isolationist who's making the peace deals, you know, Gaza, he

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01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 8: got a ceasefire with Iran in Israel.

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Speaker 1: And well, blowing up cartel boats in the international waters

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Speaker 1: two thousand miles away is not being isolationist. And I've

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Speaker 1: got a real problem with that, Congressman. I think Irish people,

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01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 1: the elected officials, should have some say over who were

1846
01:42:04,439 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 1: dropping bombs on That is an act of war. I

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01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 1: don't care that they're evil people being targeted. They're going

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Speaker 1: to make it to internet. They're going to make it

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01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: to US waters at some point. If you can track

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01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,200
Speaker 1: them in a submarine and find it in fifteen hundred

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Speaker 1: miles away, I think you can keep attrack of it

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Speaker 1: until it gets into US waters. Sorry, man, I just

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Speaker 1: I cannot abide that.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's an argument that can be made. But if

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Speaker 8: you're taking the approach that this is these are terrorists

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Speaker 8: than they are. I mean, you know, we went to

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Speaker 8: war for twenty years after nine to eleven when three

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Speaker 8: thousand people died, sadly, but we've had over one hundred

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Speaker 8: thousand between eighteen and forty five dying of overdoses for

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Speaker 8: the last several years, until the Trump administered.

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Speaker 1: A situation over which those individuals had a choice and control.

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Speaker 1: We had no choice in getting bombed on nine to eleven. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's out of our hands. If somebody wants to use drugs,

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Speaker 1: they're the problem.

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Speaker 8: You got me there. I mean, I agree with you

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Speaker 8: on that. But when you think you're taking something else.

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Speaker 1: That's a different story. You're being duped. You're out buying

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Speaker 1: drugs on the street. It's gonna have fentanyl in it.

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Speaker 1: We've all learned that by now. Everything on the street,

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Speaker 1: from cocaine to something you think is an oxyconton tablet,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna have fentanyl in it. That's full, foretold, fore warned.

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Speaker 8: So and that's why there's education hopefully taking place in

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Speaker 8: high schools, et cetera. Is like, I mean, I'm talking

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Speaker 8: to my kids and it's like, no, you don't take

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Speaker 8: anything from anybody else.

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Speaker 1: Period, only for mom and dad. Amen. Sound advice. Then again,

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Speaker 1: you're a parent who cares about the future of their children,

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Speaker 1: and you are who you know, make their lives important better.

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Speaker 1: You probably are raising them with ethics and morals and

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Speaker 1: trying to get them and guide them to make lots

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Speaker 1: little rationals. The world doesn't enough, but cue like families

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Speaker 1: that I grew up in. That's the biggest link weekly

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Speaker 1: in the chain, is the really clear family.

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Speaker 10: Man.

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Speaker 1: I hate to end on that point, but I really

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Speaker 1: had to make it because it's I mean, you keep

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Speaker 1: going back. People are looking for government solutions for problems

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01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: that start literally in the home. And if that home

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Speaker 1: line structure had changed and people cared more about their

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Speaker 1: own children, we wouldn't have a nation full of dependence.

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Speaker 8: It's the same with health and everything else. And you've

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01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 8: got to start early. And you know, you talk about

1893
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,040
Speaker 8: you know DEI. You can't put someone in med school

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01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 8: at twenty two that isn't prepared for it. You got

1895
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 8: to start with getting them a good education in grade

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Speaker 8: school and high school and then college.

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Speaker 1: Those are the building blocks the foundation to be a doctor.

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Speaker 1: You see, now, you just scared the living crap out

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Speaker 1: of me. Right there a nation full of doctors that

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01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: grew up and were educated in a woke DEI environment

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Speaker 1: filled with great inflation. Oh that's comforting, Brad Webster. I

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01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 1: hate to leave on that end note, but it's true.

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Speaker 1: So we'll take better care of yourself. You probably want

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01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:52,719
Speaker 1: end up in front of a doctor, folks. Sarah Heringer

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01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:54,639
Speaker 1: is going to join me in studio, coming up after

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Speaker 1: the top of the hour news. I hope you know.

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Speaker 1: Sarah is a widow. Her husband was killed in their

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01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: over the Right apartment. He was supposed to have an

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01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: ankle monitor on and we've all found out, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: ankle monitor program six to fifty five KRC DE talk station.

1911
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Speaker 1: By the time, I's wishing everyone a very happy Friday,

1912
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Speaker 1: We've got some great plans over the weekend. I think

1913
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to make it up to you see

1914
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Speaker 1: tomorrow for homecoming. And I am so pleased on the

1915
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Speaker 1: heels of having brad winstropin city to look up and see.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer has returned to the fifty five KRC studio

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Speaker 1: to talk about the latest on what happened in the

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Speaker 1: aftermath of her husband being murdered in front of her

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01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,880
Speaker 1: in there over the Rhine home and Sarah, it's such

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Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you here. I know the circumstances

1921
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Speaker 1: are challenging and difficult, but you've been out there, You've

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01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 1: been outspoken about this, your reality and circumstances resulted in

1923
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:44,480
Speaker 1: a grand awakening. I think for most everybody, me particularly,

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Speaker 1: I'll note I believe that an ankle monitor actually meant something.

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Speaker 1: Mordisha Black, the thirty eight year old man who was

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Speaker 1: charged with murdering your husband, was supposed to be on

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Speaker 1: an ankle monitor. It was cut off and had been

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Speaker 1: off since February, and this incident happened in was June's

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Speaker 1: correct correct. So here he is rouman about and we're thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know, oh my god, some alarm had to go

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Speaker 1: off he cut his ankle monitor off. Nope, Nope, nobody

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Speaker 1: was alerted.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that I mean, if we got to find a

1935
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Speaker 1: silver lining in an unbelievably horrifically dark cloud. The one

1936
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,799
Speaker 1: thing is that we now know that and that maybe

1937
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Speaker 1: something's going to be done about it in the form

1938
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 1: of this Patrick Herringer act that some some folks in

1939
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: Columbus are now pushing. But before we get to that,

1940
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask him, and I know my

1941
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Speaker 1: listeners are concerned, how are you doing, How are you

1942
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Speaker 1: holding up? How's life been since that? Are you know,

1943
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: are things improving for you? Because the devastation. I don't

1944
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Speaker 1: think I can comprehend it. I don't want to have to.

1945
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Speaker 12: No, I I'm the answer that I've and it's true,

1946
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 12: but I've I've learned to give to people as I'm

1947
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Speaker 12: building capacity. And one of the hardest things that I've

1948
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Speaker 12: actually learned through all of this, outside of you know,

1949
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 12: the negligence of the situation is that people, we're all

1950
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Speaker 12: grief illiterate. We really don't know how to handle this.

1951
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Speaker 12: Our society where people want to find they want to

1952
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 12: see you progress and get better, and of course there's

1953
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Speaker 12: concern of like how's your mental health? How are you

1954
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Speaker 12: holding up? It comes from a place of sincere kindness

1955
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Speaker 12: and wanting to make sure I'm okay. But it's something

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01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 12: like this is not something you get over. No, it's

1957
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 12: not something that also needs to be fixed. It's something

1958
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Speaker 12: that just needs to be witnessed and held. And I'm

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Speaker 12: actually very grateful that you provide a space for me

1960
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Speaker 12: to share part of my story and what's happening in

1961
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 12: order as part of that process to be able to

1962
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Speaker 12: look at something this devastating and not try to turn

1963
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Speaker 12: and hide from it.

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Speaker 1: Amen. And you know, the only the parallel I'm going

1965
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Speaker 1: to try to draw here and I'm trying to be

1966
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Speaker 1: sensitive to the reality of what you just pointed out.

1967
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Speaker 1: I'm not living what you're living through, so how can

1968
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Speaker 1: I know? But I'm a man who at least cares

1969
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: enough to make to want to know that you're okay.

1970
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Speaker 1: You know, it's anything I can do, you know, And

1971
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Speaker 1: so people really delicately approach this subject. But gona lose

1972
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:18,040
Speaker 1: my train of thought. But it's like when you're dealing

1973
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 1: with someone you know is struggling with depression and one

1974
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Speaker 1: of your reactions is or one of maybe someone who's

1975
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Speaker 1: not familiar with what it's like to have depression is

1976
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Speaker 1: once you just snap out of it. Here, let's walk

1977
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Speaker 1: through all the reasons life is great for you. You've

1978
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Speaker 1: got this, you've got that, You've got a wonderful wife

1979
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Speaker 1: or husband, you got your kid. How can you be depressed? Well,

1980
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Speaker 1: that reflects and ignorance about depression grief comparable. I mean,

1981
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Speaker 1: unless you've been there and done that. And everybody's different.

1982
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Speaker 1: Their life experiences are different up to that moment when

1983
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Speaker 1: they lose someone, so they're working with a different playing

1984
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 1: field than literally anybody else. But it's a struggle for

1985
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Speaker 1: us out here who really care to approach the subject

1986
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Speaker 1: just to let you know we really are concerned, And.

1987
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Speaker 9: I do I appreciate that.

1988
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Speaker 12: I think, you know, I think that's the whole point

1989
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Speaker 12: of what anyone can do is just say I can't

1990
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Speaker 12: fix this. I know my words aren't going to be enough,

1991
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Speaker 12: but I'm I'll be here with you. And presence is

1992
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Speaker 12: really all that anyone can ever offer someone in something

1993
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Speaker 12: like this, And so I do I appreciate it. So

1994
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Speaker 12: many people reach out and offer that, and if we're

1995
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Speaker 12: also going to put a spin on it to what

1996
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Speaker 12: is positive, I'm hoping that more people can really understand

1997
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Speaker 12: the process of grief and exactly that not trying to

1998
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Speaker 12: find silver linings. You don't need to fix it. You

1999
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:38,840
Speaker 12: don't need to be the person that comes in and

2000
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 12: makes it better. You just need to walk with the

2001
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Speaker 12: person who you know who's experiencing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your presence alone may.

2003
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Speaker 9: Be enough, exactly. That's yeah.

2004
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Speaker 1: I supposed to try to become a therapist.

2005
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Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, yeah.

2006
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Speaker 1: Armchair therapy exactly. Yeah. I can certainly appreciate that. But

2007
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Speaker 1: are you are you working because you had the fitness

2008
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Speaker 1: clinic and over the rune that you ran with your

2009
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: late husband, and I know you had some success to that.

2010
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: You were big pop, you were popular in the over

2011
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 1: the right neighborhood in spite of the fact that people

2012
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 1: thought it appropriate to break into the place and commit

2013
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Speaker 1: property damage, which we can dive into maybe a little

2014
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Speaker 1: bit later, but I just want to see if if

2015
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,479
Speaker 1: you're still engage employment and if that's helpful for you.

2016
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Speaker 12: Yeah, so right now I haven't. I mean, it's been

2017
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 12: about it's just been four months. And for me, I've

2018
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:30,760
Speaker 12: taken this step out of this the capitalism and the

2019
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 12: rush of society and the time and it probably feels

2020
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 12: like so much longer for everyone else. And while it

2021
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 12: does feel really long, I'm like it's been four months.

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Speaker 9: And so.

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Speaker 12: The coaches that are at Friendly Movement, they're phenomenal. They've

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Speaker 12: stepped up, they're running the place and they're continuing to

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01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 12: do exactly what it needs to be, which is a

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Speaker 12: community place where people can go and they can have support.

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Speaker 12: And everyone there lost Patrick to as well. It's a

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Speaker 12: it is a shared communal devastation. It's to your point.

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Speaker 12: Patrick was a pillar in the OTR community. People knew him,

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Speaker 12: they knew of him, and he did He touched hundreds

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01:51:16,680 --> 01:51:20,719
Speaker 12: of people's lives and was their coach, and so I

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01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 12: have taken a step back in order to build capacity

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Speaker 12: so I can re enter and to do what I

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01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 12: need to do to feel the grief and not rush

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Speaker 12: through it. But the gym is going strong. It's a

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01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 12: great place and the coaches are killing it there.

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Speaker 1: And you know you're in the over the Rhine area.

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Speaker 1: Why not. Finley Movement is the name of the place

2039
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:43,599
Speaker 1: in what street is.

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Speaker 9: It's on Finley Street.

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01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: Oh makes sense on Finley Street. So go ahead, you

2042
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 1: do some more exercising workout. We could all use more

2043
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 1: of that to make you feel better. It does, and

2044
01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:56,680
Speaker 1: you can support Sarah and we'll hopefully she'll be able

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01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,080
Speaker 1: to get back to work after she builds sufficient capacity

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01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, I like the way you characterize that.

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01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 12: Yes, it's building, and I do. It's you know when

2048
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 12: you mentioned where people are at, I know one of

2049
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 12: the very few reasons as to I mean or there

2050
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 12: are there are probably a few, but one of them

2051
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:16,760
Speaker 12: is what is your level of resiliency before something like

2052
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 12: this happens? And that is really what Patrick and I

2053
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 12: use the tool of fitness for. Was not just making

2054
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 12: your body look good at not aesthetics, but for health

2055
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:31,719
Speaker 12: and long term resiliency. For because life is hard and

2056
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 12: if your workout is a little bit harder than the

2057
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 12: things that you deal with on a day to day life,

2058
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 12: then you're you're going to be well equipped to handle

2059
01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 12: that kind of pain. And so to me, that's really

2060
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 12: what fitness has been, and it's it's helped build the

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01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 12: what I need in order to continue to move forward.

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Speaker 1: Well that's great, ye, little incentive for others to might

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01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:54,639
Speaker 1: go down that path as well. I know I am

2064
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: not one to speak to that because I am a sloth.

2065
01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 1: I am lazy, and I'll admit it, and I hate

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01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 1: my self for it. Don't hate yourself, Sarah Sarah Herringer,

2067
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Speaker 1: And can I observe before we come to the break here,

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Speaker 1: I had said it to you off the air. If

2069
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure my listeners have seen your late husband, he

2070
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 1: looks like the epitome of badassery when I see a

2071
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 1: photograph of him, like that guy came to kick some

2072
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 1: serious But yes, but that was the farthest thing from

2073
01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:22,720
Speaker 1: the truth, wasn't it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, he was very very kind. Most it surprised people

2075
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 12: once they got to know him. They're like Wow, that's

2076
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 12: really not what I expected. I kind of expected this meathead,

2077
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:38,440
Speaker 12: kind of mongo looking tattooed guy, and he was incredibly

2078
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:42,360
Speaker 12: intelligent and kind and a good listener and encouraged everyone

2079
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Speaker 12: and I and.

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Speaker 9: That was one of my favorite things.

2081
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 12: That that being the shock of it all is they're like, oh, wow, okay, yes,

2082
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 12: there's really some depth here.

2083
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,679
Speaker 1: And your posts, your Facebook posts, you've been very open

2084
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 1: and revealing, and the love that you had for your

2085
01:53:56,200 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 1: late husband comes through just crystal clear, and not averybody

2086
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:03,679
Speaker 1: has a relationship like that, so I can certainly understand

2087
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:07,599
Speaker 1: how profound this has impacted your life. More with Sarah Heringer,

2088
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:10,320
Speaker 1: we're going to find about where the Patrick Herringer Act

2089
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:12,640
Speaker 1: is because maybe we can bring about some reform and

2090
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:15,240
Speaker 1: not let this man's life go to waste. And she's

2091
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 1: going to see that through eight fifteen right now, Stick around.

2092
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 11: Folks, fifty five KRC.

2093
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: Are you looking for serious investment in the booming cleaning

2094
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 1: pack station? Coming up on eight nineteen Brian Thomas with

2095
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:28,639
Speaker 1: Sarah Heringer. Of course she lost her husband. That tragic,

2096
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,639
Speaker 1: awful should never have happened, stabbing and over the rhine

2097
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 1: in their apartment and just it's just really heartbreaking. And

2098
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm so pleased that you're willing to talk about this

2099
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 1: because you have the opportunity, and I know you've been

2100
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 1: out working the phones and talking to people about getting

2101
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: some reform in terms of what it means to have

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01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 1: an ankle monitor and what it might mean in terms

2103
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,400
Speaker 1: of if someone cuts her ankle monitor off. We can't

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01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 1: let this kind of thing happen again. We have I mean,

2105
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 1: we live in a modern society where they can figure

2106
01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 1: out where we are. Any time you got a cell phone, boyd,

2107
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 1: they are tracking right in on you. We can find

2108
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 1: a Mexican drug cartel submarine underwater two thousand miles away.

2109
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 1: I think we can find a guy local who's cut

2110
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 1: his ankle monitor off. But that wasn't happening. Is again,

2111
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,960
Speaker 1: the murder of your husband was out free from February

2112
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 1: up until June. After cutting off his ankle monitor, nothing

2113
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 1: apparently happened. Have you gotten any answers to why that is?

2114
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly there's a Patrick Herringder Act being discussed

2115
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: now in Columbus, and we'll get to the details on

2116
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 1: that in a minute. But what have you learned since then?

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Speaker 12: Sarah as far as ankle monitors go or what happened well.

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Speaker 1: Whether specifically with him or just the whole thing seems

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01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,360
Speaker 1: to have been a broken concept from the get go,

2120
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Speaker 1: and your husband is the tragic result of or what

2121
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 1: can happen when it isn't working.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that.

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Speaker 12: So from the state level that is who parole and

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Speaker 12: when it comes to monitoring the ankle monitors, that would

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Speaker 12: be on the state level, not the city level. So

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Speaker 12: part of the Patrick Krenger Act is getting all of

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Speaker 12: those agencies, uh, local, state, and even outside of Hamilton

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Speaker 12: County like pretty much anyone around when uh, someone goes

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Speaker 12: a wall, cuts off an ankle monitor doesn't report in.

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Speaker 1: Or strays from their geo fencing. I mean yes, listen,

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Speaker 1: if you have a dog, now you don't need to

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Speaker 1: put a wire in the yard anymore. You just program

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01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:27,760
Speaker 1: program and it creates and established as a geofence. These

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Speaker 1: people are limited where they can go. You have to

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01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: stack on your own residential property, put a geofence along

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01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: the property line. Boom, problem solve. He goes out of

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Speaker 1: the property line. Sadly, it doesn't shock them. No, can

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Speaker 1: imagine it gave.

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Speaker 9: If it did.

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Speaker 12: Yes, Yeah, and U. I mean, the entire thing shows

2141
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 12: that it favors criminals and not and not public safety.

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01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 12: And the it's the criminals and those obviously we know

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01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 12: people in the Senate and law enforcement. They know that

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01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 12: ankle monitors don't report in real time. When he cut

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01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 12: off his ankle monitor, you know, I would have thought

2146
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:09,440
Speaker 12: alarms would have sounded all of that. That's not how

2147
01:57:09,480 --> 01:57:13,080
Speaker 12: they were notified. He skipped a meeting with a parole officer,

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01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 12: and that's how they know that he then went missing.

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01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:21,040
Speaker 12: And just recently in Hamilton County they passed where they

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01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 12: reduced the parole officers. They took them out of the field.

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01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 12: So there used to be twelve, they cut it down

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01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 12: to six. They took them out of the field, and

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01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 12: they put them in an office building and are incentivizing

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01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 12: now people on parole to have to go and check

2155
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:42,600
Speaker 12: in with their parole officer. They're giving them like reds

2156
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 12: tickets and gift cards and all of that. And I'm like,

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01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:51,400
Speaker 12: I don't get incentive. I I don't get that to

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01:57:51,640 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 12: just behave And so these are people that need to

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Speaker 12: prove that they can integrate into society, and that's how

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01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 12: there It's like dangling a piece of candy in order

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01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:05,919
Speaker 12: for them show up at something that they are legally

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01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 12: already required to do.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's where I was going to go, because a

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Speaker 1: penalty for violin in the terms of your parole, which

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Speaker 1: includes showing up at your parole officer meetings, would be

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01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:16,920
Speaker 1: ready to go back.

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Speaker 9: To jail exactly to serve the rest of your.

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Speaker 1: Time or no, we got to give a candy bar.

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Speaker 12: Exactly, And so that that happened, that slipped through that

2170
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 12: change that not a lot of people are aware of.

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01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 9: This is.

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Speaker 12: This is something that has been an effect in Franklin County,

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01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 12: and the FOP up in Franklin County has said that

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Speaker 12: they haven't seen better.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 12: He talked with Ken Kober and to basically because I

2177
01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 12: was asking questions about this, like, well, if this isn't

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01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,360
Speaker 12: Franklin County, they're touting that this is, you know, a

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Speaker 12: proven system. We're going to rank criminals on a levels

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01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 12: one through four. People with a level one probably don't

2181
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,480
Speaker 12: even have to check in at all. Criminals are also

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01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:04,320
Speaker 12: part of ranking themselves, so as long as they have

2183
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:06,600
Speaker 12: an answer to the test, they know how to get

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Speaker 12: a lower classification. Yeah, this is wow.

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Speaker 9: This is where.

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01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 12: And then we've just now in Hamilton County downtown they

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01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:17,240
Speaker 12: closed the field office and it's like you already have

2188
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 12: you know we when we dug and looked up up numbers,

2189
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,840
Speaker 12: it's like, you already have one hundred and thirty a

2190
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:27,640
Speaker 12: wall criminals, fifty two of them are violent, and you're

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01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:32,360
Speaker 12: reducing the man power to go and find them.

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Speaker 9: You're making it.

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Speaker 12: And then and you also have these systems that initially

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01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 12: they they sense changed the policy the state did because

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01:59:41,560 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 12: when he went missing, they put in a notification and

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01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:49,440
Speaker 12: they're saying, okay, even though that was procedure. The one

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01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 12: of the things with the Patrick Herrenger Act is going

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01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 12: to make it a law instead of procedure that not

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Speaker 12: only do they issue a warrant, but they also have

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01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 12: to reach out to local months of PA and notify

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Speaker 12: them immediately. What you would have thought, I was like,

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Speaker 12: what is the Fugitive Apprehension Unit doing?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 12: Why do we have them if they're not going to

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Speaker 12: also back up and go and find these people?

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Speaker 1: These they got a right they have fugitive on the

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Speaker 1: run large.

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Speaker 9: Yes, these criminals are out endive shooter.

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Speaker 1: I mean, oh, we have a formerly active shooter who's

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Speaker 1: on parole and ankle monitor who's run amok and is

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Speaker 1: at large right now.

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Speaker 9: Well, and they do yes, and they do it with

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Speaker 9: sex criminals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a register where you live exactly, and it's like

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Speaker 1: a database.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, let's put some teeth into having far more accountability.

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Speaker 12: These people are have broken the law and have shown

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Speaker 12: us multiple times that they don't have an interest in

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Speaker 12: following the rules of society, and so there needs to

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Speaker 12: be a little bit more earning that trust and having

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Speaker 12: transparency and accountability with that process.

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Speaker 1: Supposed to be what the criminal justice system is for exactly,

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Speaker 1: not a rewards program. More with Sarah Herringer. It's right

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Speaker 1: now fifty five KRS DE talk station.

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Speaker 11: This is fifty five KARC and iHeartRadio statement.

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Speaker 1: It's a twenty nine year fifty five kr C DE

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Speaker 1: talk station. It's such a pleasure to be able to

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Speaker 1: laugh a little bit with Sarah Herringer in spite of

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Speaker 1: the subject matter that has brought her back into the

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Speaker 1: fifty five KRS Morning show ctitio the murder of her

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Speaker 1: husband in their own apartment and over the rhine. My

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Speaker 1: listeners all are painfully aware about that. Of course, it's

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Speaker 1: been a subject of conversation here in the city of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: given the elections coming up, and up until a moment

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Speaker 1: in time ago have to have Provall was saying, don't

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Speaker 1: believe your eyes and your ears. We don't have a

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Speaker 1: crime problem. And Sarah's raising her hand, going, oh really,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you about my life up to the

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Speaker 1: moment my husband was murdered in my apartment. And over

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Speaker 1: the Rhine. You talked about that last time you were here,

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Speaker 1: regular gunfire, so much so that it was it became

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Speaker 1: a norm in your life. It was, oh more gunfire. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's another day in the over the Rhine, right,

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Speaker 1: And so we have big issues coming up to the election.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if people are paying attention. And I

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Speaker 1: want to be optimistic, but the more I hear about

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Speaker 1: the way things are, the more I think I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: hold my breath for that. But let's move back to

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Speaker 1: Patrick Herringer Act, which is going to hopefully resolve some

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Speaker 1: of the massive holes we found out exist in the

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Speaker 1: ankle monitoring program, one of which I just learned off

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Speaker 1: the air. Now, listeners, are you of the mind and

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Speaker 1: unless you know something about the system more than I do.

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Speaker 1: Are you of the mind that when someone cuts off

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Speaker 1: their ankle or otherwise leaves their geo fencing, that somewhere,

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Speaker 1: some office or some computer, an alarm goes off at

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Speaker 1: the moment that happens. Guess what, No, it doesn't, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: tell them how that works.

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Speaker 12: Yeah there, I mean you had painted such a fun

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Speaker 12: picture where you imagine there are these people in this room, yeah,

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Speaker 12: looking at these screens waiting for something to just trigger it. Yes, exactly,

2262
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Speaker 12: the ankle monitor went off. Let's go get them, you know.

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Speaker 12: And there's not resources we just talked in the earlier segment.

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Speaker 12: They're actually removing resource is away from the parole program

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02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:06,720
Speaker 12: and changing the infrastructure of that. But the ankle monitors

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Speaker 12: are not even a GPS. It's more of it. It's

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Speaker 12: like a pinging. It's like when you're doing cell phone

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Speaker 12: location versus in real time watching them walk down the

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Speaker 12: street on like Google Maps.

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Speaker 9: So he the.

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Speaker 12: Reason how they were were notified was not when he

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Speaker 12: the moment he cut it off, but when he didn't

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Speaker 12: show up to a parole and that's when it will then. Okay,

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02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:35,280
Speaker 12: it's basically this guy is he's not shown up, you

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02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 12: can ping it to look to see like in a

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Speaker 12: vicinity in an area of where they are the parole officer.

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Speaker 1: That's they go to the garbage can as I joked

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Speaker 1: about it on Eighth Street.

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Speaker 12: Okay, you know, and if that happened with with in

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Speaker 12: this circumstance, I don't know the you know, the granular

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02:03:53,200 --> 02:03:55,400
Speaker 12: details as far as that goes, but just how it

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02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 12: works overall, that's how ankle monitors work.

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Speaker 9: They're not tracking in real time time.

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Speaker 12: And you see that because we know there are hundreds

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Speaker 12: of people on parole that have cut off their ankle

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Speaker 12: monitors in the state of Ohio and are a wall.

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02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:17,040
Speaker 12: We know about the ones in Hamilton County. So but

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Speaker 12: the other problem that we're also seeing and have come

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Speaker 12: up lately and even with the Reagan toques of why

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Speaker 12: these needs to monitor in real time there needs to

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Speaker 12: be more teeth in this program is many criminals commit

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Speaker 12: crimes with them.

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Speaker 1: On Yeah, they do.

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Speaker 12: So it's really you know, it isn't it's not a

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Speaker 12: security fence. It doesn't keep them within a zone. It's

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Speaker 12: not this massive alarm system. There's not a ton of

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Speaker 12: man power monitoring these people. And they are aware of that.

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02:04:54,640 --> 02:05:00,320
Speaker 12: And so what's The problem is is the public isn't

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Speaker 12: educated on this in order to call up cynd abrams

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Speaker 12: or their state senators or you know, demand change, yes,

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Speaker 12: action and reformation within these programs because we are blind

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Speaker 12: and thinking that there's some teeth to this and that

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Speaker 12: a criminal with an ankle monitor is truly being watched

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Speaker 12: when they're really not well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, an Apple air tag thing would do a

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Speaker 1: better job than an ankle monitor. It's real time monitoring.

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Speaker 1: And I know technology has existed for years that if

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Speaker 1: you have the appropriate tracking device, it will map out

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Speaker 1: where that person has been. You'll get this full day's

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Speaker 1: activity of where they went, did they leave their their

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Speaker 1: geofens location, So you could recreate potential parole violations by

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Speaker 1: looking back at the history of you know, the data

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Speaker 1: that's been tracked. I imagine that the current ankle monitors

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Speaker 1: don't do that either.

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Speaker 12: No, and that's and if you're going to remove the manpower,

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Speaker 12: and like you're right, technology has advanced and so you

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02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:07,919
Speaker 12: if you use the right technology, you probably could lower

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02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:11,240
Speaker 12: the man power as far as that goes. But you

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Speaker 12: can't do both. You can't have this archaic technology that's

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Speaker 12: not really serving the purpose that it's designed or was

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Speaker 12: the intent of what we set it out, and then

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Speaker 12: also remove people who can be the monitors in real

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Speaker 12: time and who were initially supposed to write. The parole

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Speaker 12: officer was supposed to be out in the community. They're

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Speaker 12: supposed to know these people, they're supposed to watch them

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Speaker 12: show up, they have these regular check ins. They're there

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Speaker 12: to make sure they're integrating into society. And now you've

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Speaker 12: also removed that as well. So it can't be both.

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Speaker 1: It cannot be both. Well, continue with Sarah Heringer kind

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Speaker 1: of not to come in the studio today talk about

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Speaker 1: these very important issues and probably going to issue a

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Speaker 1: call to action. I think I can do it right now.

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Speaker 1: You know the legislation is up there, Patrick Heringer act

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Speaker 1: and who would you, I mean, just your elected official,

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Speaker 1: your state representative, your state senator, wherever neighborhood you happen

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Speaker 1: to be in, call them up, send them an email,

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Speaker 1: sent them a text, yes, tell them, move forward. Let's

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Speaker 1: get this out of committee, let's get it voted on,

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Speaker 1: let's get it in acted. We need some reform for

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Speaker 1: the safety and security of the residents of the state

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Speaker 1: of Ohio. Or with Sarah Heringer coming up next.

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Speaker 11: Don't coway fifty five KARC.

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Speaker 10: The talk station.

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Speaker 1: Seven thirty nine. I think you. I have KERCD talk

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02:07:24,680 --> 02:07:28,080
Speaker 1: station right Thomas with Sarah Herringer in studio, widow of

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02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:31,080
Speaker 1: Patrick Herringer again murdered and over the rhine in their home.

2347
02:07:31,160 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: And of course the NCO monitor. We've talked about that.

2348
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:36,600
Speaker 1: There is legislation. It's up there in Columbus and you

2349
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:39,240
Speaker 1: can call your representatives and your senators and ask them

2350
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,680
Speaker 1: where it is, the Patrick Herringer Act. Will it come

2351
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:43,720
Speaker 1: out of committee anytime soon? Will we get some reform

2352
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:46,960
Speaker 1: that seems to be overly needed? Guess what, it's twenty

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02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:49,800
Speaker 1: twenty five. We've got new technology that's not fifteen twenty

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02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:54,000
Speaker 1: years old, apparently, and it might work. So inquiring minds

2355
02:07:54,040 --> 02:07:57,800
Speaker 1: want to know Sarah. Apparently Christopher Smithman among others listening

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Speaker 1: right now, and it was the topic that you and

2357
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 1: I were talking about. What we got the text message

2358
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:03,960
Speaker 1: and the message from Streker. Hey, what's the story on

2359
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:05,560
Speaker 1: the mayor? Has the mayor reached out to you? And

2360
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:07,839
Speaker 1: have you heard anything from any of the council members?

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Speaker 1: So let's answer their questions and mine what's going on

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02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:12,920
Speaker 1: on that level, Sarah, Well.

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Speaker 12: I was. I mean, you said it so well. The

2364
02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:20,440
Speaker 12: silences is deafening. And I before we went on the segment,

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Speaker 12: I was going to say, yes, reach out, but also

2366
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:25,520
Speaker 12: reach out to Aftab and ask what he's done for

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02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:29,879
Speaker 12: safety reform. And he's got a lot of influence standing

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02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 12: behind him. If there's someone who should be reaching out

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02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:35,920
Speaker 12: to state representatives and trying to get a law passed

2370
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:38,480
Speaker 12: on that level, you would think you would.

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Speaker 9: Be pretty helpful with that, you would.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And no one on city council has reached out.

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02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:48,000
Speaker 12: John Cranley reached out when he found out he's not

2374
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:51,200
Speaker 12: exactly and was, you know, is there anything I can

2375
02:08:51,240 --> 02:08:53,920
Speaker 12: help you with? Is there anyone who I can connect

2376
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 12: you with? And that's someone who no longer holds political

2377
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:04,920
Speaker 12: but has influence and wants to help. And so when

2378
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:07,600
Speaker 12: I met with Aftab and he said I'll do whatever

2379
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:10,440
Speaker 12: it takes to help you pass any type of laws,

2380
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:12,800
Speaker 12: It's like, well, you know, we need to see action.

2381
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:16,600
Speaker 12: And I think that's something that this entire time I've

2382
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:20,400
Speaker 12: been saying is the people who are currently in office

2383
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,080
Speaker 12: care far more about optics than they do about action,

2384
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:28,360
Speaker 12: and that's something that voters need to be considering. Hopefully

2385
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:31,480
Speaker 12: that gets people out of their seats and gets them

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02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 12: down into the voting booths next month, because the current

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02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:37,880
Speaker 12: administration has done nothing to try to make sure that

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Speaker 12: they're safer than they were in June.

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Speaker 1: Well, as I told you, and I can let my

2390
02:09:43,240 --> 02:09:45,880
Speaker 1: listeners know the little story. I think it was talking

2391
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,280
Speaker 1: with Christopher Smith and who's running for council. Of course

2392
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:52,160
Speaker 1: he goes door to door and how many times people

2393
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:55,520
Speaker 1: residents of the City of Cincinnati in the weeks leading

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02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 1: up to the election, which is the first week in November,

2395
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:00,880
Speaker 1: everybody that they don't even know there's election coming up.

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02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean with a straight phase to say, oh, we

2397
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:05,000
Speaker 1: have an election coming up, like yeah, you can vote

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Speaker 1: for the mayor and nine city council members. That someone

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Speaker 1: could live in the City of Cincinnati and be so

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02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:16,360
Speaker 1: politically oblivious is to not know that all important election

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02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:18,760
Speaker 1: is coming up and something that they might be able

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02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:20,760
Speaker 1: to have an impact on their own neighborhood.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely.

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Speaker 12: I mean local politics is really where you have the

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02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 12: most amount of control and where it affects you the most,

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02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:32,240
Speaker 12: quite honestly, and you know, everyone they get wrapped up

2407
02:10:32,280 --> 02:10:35,720
Speaker 12: if they do vote on the national level. But right now, Yeah,

2408
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,920
Speaker 12: if you live in the city and you want to

2409
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:42,480
Speaker 12: see your neighborhoods get safer, who you vote in in

2410
02:10:42,520 --> 02:10:45,240
Speaker 12: this next election is going to make a difference as

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02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:47,280
Speaker 12: to whether we see that improve or we see it

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02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:48,920
Speaker 12: to continue to rot and fall apart.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction. I mean, up until only recently, as

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02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:55,839
Speaker 1: I said earlier, in a moment of time ago, Aftab

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02:10:55,920 --> 02:10:58,560
Speaker 1: said there was no crime problem in the city Cincinnati,

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02:10:59,200 --> 02:11:03,040
Speaker 1: And now he's over to saying public safety is our

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02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:06,320
Speaker 1: number one or has always been our number one priority.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's saying now as we fast a close

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02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:10,480
Speaker 1: pro the election. What's your reaction to that sort of

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02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:13,000
Speaker 1: bipolar reality of what he's saying.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, if people are paying attention, they see

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02:11:16,240 --> 02:11:19,880
Speaker 12: the conflict, right they And initially they had released the

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02:11:20,920 --> 02:11:25,000
Speaker 12: CPD had released saying, hey, look, crime's down during winter,

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02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:28,560
Speaker 12: and then in the very next press conference, the chief says,

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02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:31,440
Speaker 12: we knew things were going to ramp up. So it's

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02:11:31,480 --> 02:11:33,840
Speaker 12: what is it? Is crime down or did you know

2427
02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:36,080
Speaker 12: it was going to ramp up? What is it we

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02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:39,720
Speaker 12: don't have a crime problem? Or Aftab said safety is

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02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:43,720
Speaker 12: our first, second, and third priority, So which one is it.

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Speaker 12: He's also now throwing out numbers. Data is confusing or

2431
02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:49,360
Speaker 12: he doesn't want to deal with it. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 12: let's not look at the data. People don't feel safe

2433
02:11:52,840 --> 02:11:55,960
Speaker 12: and their feelings aren't And it's like people, I'm it's

2434
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 12: not down to whether I felt safe or not. We

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02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 12: were not safe. People in OTR are not safe. And

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02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:08,360
Speaker 12: what has changed? And now you know, they're either a

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02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:12,360
Speaker 12: great distraction and probably doing the right thing too with

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02:12:12,400 --> 02:12:17,080
Speaker 12: scrutinizing the chief. But you know, if you have to

2439
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:19,520
Speaker 12: look over the last the question that voters should be

2440
02:12:19,560 --> 02:12:22,080
Speaker 12: asking themselves is are they safer in the city than

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02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:23,160
Speaker 12: they were four years ago?

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Speaker 1: That's a great way of putting it, you know. And Sarah,

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02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:28,680
Speaker 1: I used to work in over the Rhine back in

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02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:31,360
Speaker 1: the eighties, a place called Harry's Meats and Seafood. It's

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02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:34,080
Speaker 1: not there anymore. It was across from the Central Stand

2446
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:37,280
Speaker 1: and I would walk back and forth to my car,

2447
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, white kid from del High In. This is

2448
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:45,880
Speaker 1: pre rehabilitation and pre gentrification of Over the Rhine. So

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02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:48,560
Speaker 1: it probably was at its lowest point in terms of

2450
02:12:48,880 --> 02:12:51,440
Speaker 1: relative to where it is right now before Washington Park

2451
02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:54,480
Speaker 1: had been rehabilitated. I mean, so much has changed down there.

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02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:57,520
Speaker 1: I never never even thought about crime, going back and

2453
02:12:57,560 --> 02:13:01,240
Speaker 1: forth to that business. And at one point, remember Chris Geiger,

2454
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:03,880
Speaker 1: who was the one of the owners, he gave me

2455
02:13:04,280 --> 02:13:07,240
Speaker 1: several thousand dollars in cash from the register, put it

2456
02:13:07,240 --> 02:13:09,520
Speaker 1: in a paper bag and handed it to me. I

2457
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,200
Speaker 1: got my butcher's smock on, and he told me to

2458
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:13,920
Speaker 1: walk it up to the bank, which was like five

2459
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:17,480
Speaker 1: six blocks down up the hill, and you know, here,

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02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:19,760
Speaker 1: go ahead. And I thought that was the first time

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02:13:19,800 --> 02:13:22,040
Speaker 1: I ever felt like I maybe I was concerned, but

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02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:25,160
Speaker 1: nothing ever happened. Yeah, I didn't feel there weren't gunshots

2463
02:13:25,200 --> 02:13:28,160
Speaker 1: going off, and there weren't people doing drugs on the corner.

2464
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:31,720
Speaker 1: And it was supposed to be a worse place then

2465
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 1: than it is now. It's I don't know, it's just

2466
02:13:34,120 --> 02:13:36,120
Speaker 1: always standing amazement on that. We're going to continue with

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Speaker 1: Sarah Heringer. We got one more here on a Friday

2468
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:44,240
Speaker 1: see Deep Talk station. It's eight forty nine here fifty

2469
02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:48,640
Speaker 1: five KRCD Talk station Brian Thomas with Sarah Herringer obviously

2470
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:51,160
Speaker 1: recueuing the fact that Sarah's and study because her husband

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02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:52,720
Speaker 1: was murdered in their apartment and over the right, and

2472
02:13:52,720 --> 02:13:56,160
Speaker 1: you were north of Liberty, right, Fimily market area one

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02:13:56,200 --> 02:13:59,960
Speaker 1: block north. Different circumstance south of Liberty than north the Liberty.

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02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:02,160
Speaker 1: Is that your perception? Because I keep hearing about the

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02:14:02,160 --> 02:14:05,720
Speaker 1: primary crime problem is north of Liberty and there hasn't

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02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:09,440
Speaker 1: been as much quote unquote gentrification there. But by that,

2477
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:11,400
Speaker 1: even if that is true, I know there is this

2478
02:14:11,560 --> 02:14:15,320
Speaker 1: significant spillover effect. Clearly crime is all the way down

2479
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:19,200
Speaker 1: to the banks. So yes, given that crime is such

2480
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:23,640
Speaker 1: an important issue as we go into the election, MARY

2481
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:26,879
Speaker 1: have to have Purvol's reaction to the offer of assistance

2482
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:30,480
Speaker 1: from governor to Wine. He did offer thirty days a

2483
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:34,040
Speaker 1: full month's worth, month after month of four free additional

2484
02:14:34,040 --> 02:14:37,160
Speaker 1: Aiso State patrol resources. And since we're not enough, we

2485
02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:39,520
Speaker 1: don't have enough contingent of police officers. We're down one hundred,

2486
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:41,879
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two hundred. It's like a moving target.

2487
02:14:42,280 --> 02:14:44,560
Speaker 1: But given morale and the number of officers that are

2488
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:47,360
Speaker 1: not happy with their situation, we're losing them every day.

2489
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:49,440
Speaker 1: We can't fill the ranks and up we can't get

2490
02:14:49,520 --> 02:14:53,400
Speaker 1: up to what is a normal contingent. Christopher Smithman suggested, well,

2491
02:14:53,400 --> 02:14:55,560
Speaker 1: you know we should Pervoll took two days and then

2492
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:57,560
Speaker 1: he said, we'll take four days worth of OSP on

2493
02:14:57,600 --> 02:15:00,480
Speaker 1: a monthly basis. Now, if you're getting offered something for free,

2494
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:06,400
Speaker 1: and you are missing already an objectively accurate, say one

2495
02:15:06,600 --> 02:15:09,920
Speaker 1: hundred officers from your contingent, you want to put more

2496
02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:14,240
Speaker 1: people on patrol because the presence of police alone can

2497
02:15:14,280 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 1: reduce crime. It's like having your late husband in the room.

2498
02:15:16,600 --> 02:15:18,640
Speaker 1: No one's going to start any crap with your husband

2499
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 1: in the room because look at him, and this guy's

2500
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:22,560
Speaker 1: going to be able to handle himself. Coh that's exactly

2501
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:25,320
Speaker 1: the effect that they have. So wouldn't you I would say,

2502
02:15:25,320 --> 02:15:28,240
Speaker 1: and Christoper would say, take enough resources from the state

2503
02:15:28,920 --> 02:15:32,480
Speaker 1: to get us to a contingent where we're that we're

2504
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:34,880
Speaker 1: supposed to him, and see if it has an impact.

2505
02:15:34,920 --> 02:15:37,000
Speaker 1: Is it really the lack of officers and the lack of

2506
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:40,240
Speaker 1: officer presence. We can find that out for free grabby officers.

2507
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:41,200
Speaker 9: Absolutely.

2508
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:45,320
Speaker 1: So what I mean your respond your reaction to have

2509
02:15:45,320 --> 02:15:48,880
Speaker 1: to have Purwoll's take on all this, since he's finally

2510
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:50,360
Speaker 1: acknowledged that crime is a problem.

2511
02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:55,960
Speaker 12: Well, I actions are what speak right and you want

2512
02:15:55,960 --> 02:15:59,360
Speaker 12: to see Ultimately, if something is working, a result is

2513
02:16:01,080 --> 02:16:04,800
Speaker 12: Aftab hasn't admitted something is broken. So how why would

2514
02:16:04,840 --> 02:16:07,320
Speaker 12: he go to means of fixing something if he thinks

2515
02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:11,960
Speaker 12: everything is fine? And that's really that's the what you

2516
02:16:12,040 --> 02:16:14,680
Speaker 12: have to look for. Is there an admittance of what

2517
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:17,800
Speaker 12: we're doing isn't enough. Something's broken, it needs fixing.

2518
02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:22,200
Speaker 1: Maybe getting rid of the chief of police, right, that's see,

2519
02:16:22,200 --> 02:16:24,720
Speaker 1: that's him trying to say, well, the thing that's broken

2520
02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:28,280
Speaker 1: is police chief Threesy Thigi, who two weeks ago I

2521
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:30,320
Speaker 1: was standing arm in arm with talking about what a

2522
02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:33,080
Speaker 1: great job she's doing, only to find out that no,

2523
02:16:33,160 --> 02:16:35,200
Speaker 1: we're going to do an investigation to find out, well

2524
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:38,480
Speaker 1: why chief police Chiefdji's doing such a bad job. This

2525
02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:42,360
Speaker 1: is all smoking mirror, Sarah, you know what sent I regret.

2526
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:45,119
Speaker 12: I was going to write on it saying I guarantee

2527
02:16:45,160 --> 02:16:47,199
Speaker 12: you before the election he will.

2528
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:47,760
Speaker 9: Get rid of her.

2529
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:50,560
Speaker 12: And I think it is it's I've heard it's one

2530
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:54,200
Speaker 12: or the other, right, Like she's either only a scapegoat

2531
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:57,160
Speaker 12: or she's incompetent at her job, and it's like, why

2532
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:57,960
Speaker 12: can't it be both?

2533
02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:00,520
Speaker 9: Maybe that's why they put her.

2534
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:05,199
Speaker 12: You know, and it's and I want to offer respect

2535
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:08,280
Speaker 12: to her as a human being. I've been I've seen

2536
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:11,400
Speaker 12: what people say about people online, and she is a

2537
02:17:11,480 --> 02:17:15,760
Speaker 12: human and we can still we should be critical. She's

2538
02:17:15,800 --> 02:17:18,640
Speaker 12: been chief of police for three years. Again, the question

2539
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:22,160
Speaker 12: is has crime gotten better or worse? Let's be objective

2540
02:17:22,480 --> 02:17:27,240
Speaker 12: here with that. She rightfully so should be removed from position.

2541
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:30,240
Speaker 12: And I don't think that's enough.

2542
02:17:30,760 --> 02:17:33,680
Speaker 1: But removed from the position. And here's where I think

2543
02:17:33,720 --> 02:17:36,800
Speaker 1: all the errors are going to ultimately point hand selected

2544
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:39,160
Speaker 1: by Cheryl Long and have to have purvol over the

2545
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:41,800
Speaker 1: interests of the police officers. The police officers were asked,

2546
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:44,960
Speaker 1: they said, do not put police chief or put Fiji

2547
02:17:45,000 --> 02:17:46,880
Speaker 1: in that job. No, no, we're putting her in.

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Speaker 12: They wanted Lisa Davis, who's now the chief of police

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Speaker 12: for Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are her boss. They have the power over

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Speaker 1: hiring and firing. Can I imagine during an interview, if

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Speaker 1: you're talking about appointing someone the police chief, you might

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Speaker 1: want to ask if you questions, we are you willing

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Speaker 1: to follow this administration's directives? We are your boss? And

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Speaker 1: I'm certain she did. Yeah, you know this woke police

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02:18:07,160 --> 02:18:09,680
Speaker 1: department reimagining the police department, you know, the whole defund

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Speaker 1: the police concept with parvol embraced. And so did some

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Speaker 1: council members that she followed their directive, did what they

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02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:19,320
Speaker 1: were told, found out lo and behold, more crime, less cops,

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Speaker 1: more crime. This is not the path you go. See Portland,

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Speaker 1: see San Francisco, every other city's tried this. And so

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Speaker 1: she's being let go and her position analyzed because she

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Speaker 1: was doing exactly what the administrator want. Hook in the

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Speaker 1: mirror aftab.

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Speaker 9: Yes, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 12: And that's but I think that's it's the story that

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Speaker 12: he wants, right, Oh, it's it's not me. It's the

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Speaker 12: police that can't handle it. And that's why they put

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Speaker 12: her in that position, and that's why they're having her

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Speaker 12: fall on the sword right now.

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Speaker 1: Elections have consequences, and i'd like to see the more

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Speaker 1: voter turn out in downtown Cincinnati beyond the Sherry Poland's

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Speaker 1: predicting about twenty five percent board of election. Sherry Poland's

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Speaker 1: been She's done this dance for decades, so I consider

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Speaker 1: her projection to be an accurate one. Wouldn't it be nice

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Speaker 1: if more people showed up, sir.

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Speaker 12: They need to, They need to get out, they need

2578
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:12,199
Speaker 12: to vote, and you know, change up city council for sure.

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Speaker 12: There's some really good people in the running for that,

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Speaker 12: and they if they care about the trajectory and business owners.

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Speaker 12: I mean, downtown is full of local business owners and

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02:19:25,760 --> 02:19:28,920
Speaker 12: even for the safety and the profitability of their business.

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02:19:28,920 --> 02:19:31,720
Speaker 12: This is something people really need to be considering. Otherwise

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02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:35,080
Speaker 12: we might be seeing a Cincinnati that looks, you know,

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Speaker 12: twenty years ago, when it was a ghost town after

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Speaker 12: five o'clock, whenever one left the banks.

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Speaker 1: It was I remember when Nick Clintey was a reporter.

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02:19:42,440 --> 02:19:44,959
Speaker 1: He would do editorials back in the eighties, and I

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02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:49,360
Speaker 1: remember him making this profound statement, Cincinnati's dead. There is

2590
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Speaker 1: no point in coming down here other than going to

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Speaker 1: the office. There's nothing to do here. And what a

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02:19:55,080 --> 02:19:59,039
Speaker 1: world of change has happened in Cincinnati. The one problem crime.

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Speaker 12: Crime, And during COVID the suburbs thrived. They had to build,

2594
02:20:02,840 --> 02:20:05,680
Speaker 12: they had to, you know. And so if it's not

2595
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:09,119
Speaker 12: the same ballgame anymore, if you want people coming downtown,

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02:20:09,160 --> 02:20:10,960
Speaker 12: they have to feel as safe as they do out

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Speaker 12: in the suburbs.

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Speaker 1: No one's there right now. Sarah Herringer God bless you

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Speaker 1: for the time you spent my listeners of me today.

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Speaker 1: I'll pray for you and hope you continue building up

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Speaker 1: the strength and courage to move on and move forward.

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Speaker 1: We hope to see you back at the gym, and

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Speaker 1: I'll encourage my listeners get down over the Rhine and.

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Speaker 9: Finley Finley movement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, check us out, check them out. Support Sarah Heringer

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Speaker 1: in that way.