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Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Welcome in the Monday Midday

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Speaker 2: Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks as

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Speaker 2: well to our friends at Skyline Chilly. Anytime you're feeling

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Speaker 2: good and hungry at Skyline time, I feel the same

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Speaker 2: way I'm sure many of you today. Mad angry, disgusted

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Speaker 2: at what was on the field yesterday for the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Bengals at pay Corpse Stadium in a loss to the

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Speaker 2: oh to seven New York Jets at a time where

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Speaker 2: it felt like the Cincinnati Bengals were on the cusp

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Speaker 2: of picking up the pieces and finding a way to

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Speaker 2: get the season back on track. They could have got

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Speaker 2: the four and four the Bears are coming in. You

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Speaker 2: had a chance to get to five and four at

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Speaker 2: the bye. With everything that had happened early on in

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Speaker 2: the season. You thought, man, what an opportunity. And I

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Speaker 2: took the the stage yesterday with Moeger and ken Brew

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Speaker 2: at the Holy Grail, and I told Moeger and ken Brew,

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Speaker 2: if the Bengals were to lose to the Jets coming

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Speaker 2: off a mini by Ring of Honor game, season alive,

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Speaker 2: perfect weather, in a game where you're going to score

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Speaker 2: thirty eight points on a team where the quarterback was

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Speaker 2: not only benched but mocked by the owner of the

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Speaker 2: franchise then thrust back into the starting position, and a

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Speaker 2: team playing without their two best pass catchers, Garrett Wilson

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Speaker 2: being one of them, a team playing without their top

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Speaker 2: cover corner and one of the best in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: In Sauce Gardner, I labeled it yesterday as what would

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Speaker 2: be the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals suffered, in my opinion, the worst loss in

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Speaker 2: the Zach Taylor era, we'll spend much of our number

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Speaker 2: one discussing that this afternoon, I am not going to

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Speaker 2: be oblivious to the fact that the seventeenth ranked AP

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bearcats one again at home at homecoming and are

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Speaker 2: now traveling to Utah in a game on Saturday night

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Speaker 2: at ten fifteen, where College Game Day will be in attendance.

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Speaker 2: On Saturday, we'll spend time today on the Cincinnati Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: We will take your talkbacks in our number two, our

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Speaker 2: number three. I'm going to head to Twin Peaks in Florence,

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Speaker 2: Austin will take the third and final hour and discuss

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Speaker 2: many things regarding yesterday as well. Before we dive into

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Speaker 2: the nuts and bolts of everything that did happen. There

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Speaker 2: were other things that happened real quick. Very sad news

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Speaker 2: in the NFL yesterday announced the passing of Nick Mangold,

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Speaker 2: the former center played for the Jets. Was an unbelievable player,

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Speaker 2: I believe, just forty one years old. A devastating passing,

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Speaker 2: and we certainly send the best to his family through

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Speaker 2: a very, very tough time. Brian Kelly was fired by

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Speaker 2: the LSU Tigers yesterday and paid a buy out of

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Speaker 2: fifty four million dollars. In the process of being fired.

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Speaker 2: The NFL lost one of their more exciting young players,

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Speaker 2: Cam Scattaboo, who suffered a gruesome ankle injury, and yesterday's

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Speaker 2: loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, the World Series isnotted up

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Speaker 2: at a game apiece. Game three is tonight, and speaking

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Speaker 2: of tonight, Hell is Real the latest installment, this time

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Speaker 2: the playoff installment, a best of three series which will

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Speaker 2: start tonight at TQL Stadium. That is what's happening around

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Speaker 2: the world of sports. We'll look around the rest of

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Speaker 2: the NFL. We'll talk about what happened in the college

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Speaker 2: football weekend. I will say a quick thank you to

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Speaker 2: everyone that reached out and had amazing things to say

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Speaker 2: over the weekend from the Hall of Fame ceremony on

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Speaker 2: Friday with the event on Saturday at the UC game

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Speaker 2: as well. I am grateful to everyone. I'm grateful to

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Speaker 2: Romaldo for making sure the suit was in and fit.

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful for family and friends that attended the event

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Speaker 2: after I made the joke during the event in one

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Speaker 2: of the interviews I did. I spent I think six

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful to my family, and I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati. The event itself was awesome, was

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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be a celebratory day because you're honoring

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Speaker 2: them thirteen to six. In that game just a week ago,

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Speaker 2: for forty six yards. Breisee Hall carried the ball eleven

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Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers. Fast forward to yesterday, they score thirty nine

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Speaker 2: What was the feel what was the vibe inside that

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Speaker 3: You know, I thought it was kind of a weird,

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a sleepy vibe for the most

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Speaker 3: so the Bengals hadn't had a one o'clock home game

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Speaker 3: It didn't feel like there was a lot of juice whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: How hard is it because in a game when you're

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Speaker 3: So fifty percent of the time, basically they're converting on

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Speaker 3: And so that really takes the air out of the crowd.

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Speaker 3: And then after the game ended, there was this look

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 3: Like, if you're a Bengals fan, you know to expect

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Speaker 3: those type of losses. You've been punched in the gut

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Speaker 3: your time as a Bengals fan, so you're not unfamiliar

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Speaker 3: with that. But there was almost this look of I'll

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Speaker 3: And I kept seeing this kid that was probably twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And he had that look the entire time walking down

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Speaker 3: was the last game of the Zach Taylor era. I

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Speaker 3: wish that I could have stuck around longer to boo.

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Speaker 3: I booed like I've never booed before last night because

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Speaker 3: that in the way, specifically that Zach handled the last

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Speaker 3: two series of the game. And I understand that the

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Speaker 2: That's the issue for me. Everyone looks to the defense,

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Speaker 2: and rightfully so. Last three seasons, here's a statistic. In

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Speaker 2: in the National Football League. To Austin's point about the

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Speaker 2: get it. It should win you football games. Four hundred

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Speaker 2: football games in the National Football League. And yet my issue,

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Speaker 2: two drives of the game. The Bengals took over with

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Speaker 2: they ran three straight plays, all passes that resulted in

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Speaker 2: I think the first down play was a run pass

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Speaker 2: should be pitch and catch to Jamar Chase. The ball

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Speaker 2: wasn't as accurate. It was dropped by Chase. Now second

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Speaker 2: where then Joe Flacco is annihilated injures himself enough that

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Speaker 2: he's got to go into the locker room. But with

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Speaker 2: and everyone looking, Okay, you've had success, but now this

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Speaker 2: get points and put this game away. The Bengals go

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Speaker 3: One minute, yeah, and two seconds off the clock, when

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Speaker 3: at the time that drive started they were up by

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Speaker 3: six with seven point fifty two to go.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Now you have to, in my opinion, if you're Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 3: the bare minimum, what you have to do here is

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Speaker 2: Three in the game's over correct. A field goal in

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Speaker 2: Yoshi did not get separation. I still thought Flacco did

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Speaker 2: Call it what you want with Yoshi, call it play calling,

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Speaker 2: That to me, but again, here we are discussing offense.

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Speaker 4: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Football in the NATI on the Monday Midday Quarterback,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Insanity all I can

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Speaker 2: How about this insane statistic that Jay Morrison provided last

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Speaker 2: week Austin. Last week, Jay posted that the Bengals had

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Speaker 2: Who does that fall on? Falls on Duke Tobin. So

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Speaker 3: how Dax Hill's going to come back, and we're very

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Speaker 3: high on Dax. How many plays has he made this year?

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Speaker 3: And so Duke Tobin said, I'm not going to just

436
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Speaker 3: spend money on the same team from last year.

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Speaker 2: Sure, well he did. He lied to us.

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Speaker 3: They brought in a couple of guys and let a

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Speaker 3: bunch of other dudes go, but for the most part,

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Speaker 3: same group of guys with even worse results.

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Speaker 2: And then it would be nice. So when this happens

442
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Speaker 2: and they're historically bad, who takes accountability for that? Do

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Speaker 2: we ever hear from Duke Tobin during the season? No, no,

444
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Speaker 2: there's no accountability. I heard a Jordan Battles postgame press

445
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Speaker 2: conference yesterday. He talked about they need a leader on defense.

446
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Speaker 2: Who's the leader on defense? Who can you look to

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Speaker 2: on that defense and say, yep, that guy's a leader.

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Speaker 2: I thought it would be Logan Wilson. He wants out

449
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Speaker 2: of here. Trey Hendrickson good player, not the leader type.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that all offseason and Trey Hendrickson's not

451
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Speaker 2: been available. Who's the leader on the defense? A historically

452
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Speaker 2: bad defense getting embarrassed in front of your home crowd.

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Speaker 2: Who's the leader on the defense that says enough's enough?

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Speaker 2: Throw a name out there. Is it Geno Stone? Is

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Speaker 2: it Dax Hill? Is it any of the rookies, Barret Carter,

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Speaker 2: Demetrius Knight, s Miles Murphy, a leaders, Cam Taylor, britt

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Speaker 2: Or Jordan Battle of Leader, Joseph Osai, TJ Slayton, Shamar Stewart,

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Speaker 2: bj Hill, Chris Jenkins, Trey Hendrickson, Logan. Who is the

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Speaker 2: leader on the defensive side of the ball. You kind

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Speaker 2: of need those guys when you got a first year

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator who's trying to find his footing. They're spinning

462
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Speaker 2: their tires in the mud. They're benching some guys, they're

463
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Speaker 2: not benching others. They're throwing stuff at the wall. They're

464
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Speaker 2: seeing what sticks. Nothing sticking. The defense stinks, and they're

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Speaker 2: a leaderless bunch. Did you see it all yesterday, Austin

466
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Speaker 2: at all on the sideline as this is happening series

467
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Speaker 2: after series? Did you ever see anyone yelling on the sidelines?

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see any of the players huddling up?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean I saw the position groups together like they are.

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest, it's too far away to see anybody

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Speaker 3: screaming or yelling. But you know, in everybody that I've

473
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Speaker 3: talked to and everything that I've read so far today,

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Speaker 3: the general consensus seems to be, including with what Zach

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Speaker 3: said after the game, that there is a complete lack

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Speaker 3: of leadership on that side of the ball. When you

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Speaker 3: really think about it, it makes sense. Von Bell, Mike Hilton,

478
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Speaker 3: DJ Reader. You know, those types of guys are gone.

479
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Speaker 3: We're not here anymore. Sam Hubbard, who was a captain

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Speaker 3: and commanded the respect of that defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 3: He's not here anymore. Those guys are not there. And

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Speaker 3: then when you think about the captains that are just

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Speaker 3: a couple of months ago, Trey Hendrickson asked for a

484
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Speaker 3: trade and he played hurt, maybe to the point where

485
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Speaker 3: he hurt the team yesterday. And let's be honest, Trey's

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Speaker 3: talked about being a leader. When has he done any

487
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Speaker 3: of that stuff. It's not like Trey is this beloved

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Speaker 3: figure in the locker room. That narrative, I don't know

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Speaker 3: where it came from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's blackout trucks.

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Speaker 3: You can't act like that, And I don't know where

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Speaker 3: people believe that Trey Hendrickson is this leader that is

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Speaker 3: just so loved in the locker room. I've said it before,

494
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Speaker 3: he was never a team captain before, and so now

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden he is because those other guys

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Speaker 3: are gone by default. Your other team captain on defense,

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Speaker 3: Logan Wilson, he has for a trade last week. Yep,

498
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Speaker 3: bj Hill for some reason, they invested an extension into

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Speaker 3: him at thirty years old when he didn't do anything

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Speaker 3: last year. Why that's an inexplicable signing as well. And

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Speaker 3: so those are your three leaders on defense, none of

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Speaker 3: which are performing up to the level that they are

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Speaker 3: supposed to be performing.

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Speaker 2: Players that you drafted, Like when you pay players, when

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Speaker 2: you pay a Joe Burrow, and you pay a Jamar Chase,

506
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Speaker 2: and you pay at T. Higgins. We've talked about this before, Austin.

507
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Speaker 2: What do you have to hit on? You gotta hit

508
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Speaker 2: on your draft picks Yesterday at the very bottom of

509
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Speaker 2: the box score. Miles Murphy and Shamar Stewart at the

510
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Speaker 2: very bottom of the box score, Miles Murphy played almost

511
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Speaker 2: eighty percent of yesterday snaps. Shamar Stewart played fifty six

512
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Speaker 2: percent of the snaps and neither of them even a

513
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: blip on the statue, not a solo tackle. They were

514
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Speaker 2: just in on a tackle apiece. What can you tell

515
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: me about Isaiah Williams? Can you tell me much? I

516
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: know he used to play for the Bengals. Can you

517
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Speaker 2: tell me much about Tyler Johnson? I know he used

518
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: to play for the Jags? Yep? Can you tell me

519
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: much about Mason Taylor except that these Jason Taylor's I

520
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: know he had a quad injury last week. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these aren't This wasn't the greatest show on turf coming

522
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Speaker 2: in here yesterday. It wasn't a bad matchup. We love

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Speaker 2: bad matchups, but it wasn't a bad matchup. It was

524
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Speaker 2: a good matchup for the Bengals. It was a game

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Speaker 2: in which we talked about can the Bengals defense get

526
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Speaker 2: some momentum going? Huh? Thirty nine points dashed all over

527
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Speaker 2: the field. Embarrassing, absolutely embarrassing. And the question is who

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Speaker 2: are the leaders and where's the accountability? I don't have

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Speaker 2: an answer for either. We'll see if you do, we'll

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Speaker 2: take some of your phone calls. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: or two here Austin. It's hard on days like this

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Speaker 2: because there's so much to talk about with the game.

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Speaker 2: We've got to get to the Bearcats, we've got to

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Speaker 2: get to talkbacks. We'll try to sift through a couple

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Speaker 2: of these phone calls as well. Don what's going on?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, everything's good.

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Speaker 9: I was just calling because I think Zach Killer points

569
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Speaker 9: the finger and somebody needs to step up. I think

570
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Speaker 9: he needs to step up as a coast in Austin.

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Speaker 9: Some of his calls are just so obvious. And then

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Speaker 9: at the end, Joe Flacko, those are what I'm bound.

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Speaker 9: But the play column was forrible is the last drive

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Speaker 9: in the game, and so obviously the decause he's responsible

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Speaker 9: for the defense. So who who Who's the fingers to

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Speaker 9: be pointed at? Jach Taylor?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don thank you for the phone call. It's

578
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Speaker 2: hard here. This is where I'm I'm torn today. I mean, Austin,

579
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Speaker 2: you know more than anyone I've I've been very critical

580
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: of Zach Taylor in his tenure with the Bengals, but

581
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Speaker 2: there comes a point where it's like, what do you

582
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Speaker 2: expect them to do with the personnel that they have?

583
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Speaker 2: Like I get the last two series, the play calling

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with, but Al Golden was handed a

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Speaker 2: defense and to what you alluded to earlier, Austin, they

586
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Speaker 2: didn't do anything to upgrade any of the defense. They

587
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Speaker 2: tried to tell us how they were upgrading it, but

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Speaker 2: they haven't upgraded anything. Right now, there are three teams

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Speaker 2: in the NFL tied in second place with fifty six

590
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Speaker 2: misstackles on the season. Have you seen this that, Austin.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how many of the Bengals have? I

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Speaker 2: would imagine they're close to eighty one, so eighty one misstackles.

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Speaker 2: Next closest is at fifty six. So as much as

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Speaker 2: we want to harp on Al Golden or Zach Taylor

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Speaker 2: eighty one miss tackles at least tells me something in

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Speaker 2: Austin that players are in a spot to make a play.

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Speaker 2: Then it goes back to the personnel just not being

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Speaker 2: able to do it.

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Speaker 3: That's where there's never been a good reason or solution

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Speaker 3: or explanation whatsoever on how they can fix that problem.

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Speaker 3: Like any time it's been asked about, they're just all,

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Speaker 3: it's got to play better, got to work on it.

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Speaker 2: Just keep going.

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Speaker 3: Tell me what there's gotta be something you can do, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: is there a specific drill? Is there a specific thing

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Speaker 3: you're working on in practice? Is there fundamentally the way

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Speaker 3: that you know they're breaking down? Like, are you working

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Speaker 3: on this stuff? Other than that?

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Speaker 2: Just got to be better? Yep, we need we need

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Speaker 2: a leader. Someone's got to step up. Okay, how are

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Speaker 2: you going to go around that? How are you going

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Speaker 2: to get to that level? It just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: There are no answers right now with this team. Chad,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Real quick? Like you said, I just like the last

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Speaker 8: you know, sub fixed to the head, the ball that

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Speaker 8: they didn't run. That's yeah, I thought they're playing, so

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Speaker 8: they got Taketok Club. But the problem here is you

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Speaker 8: guys do do is? It's been the defense and I

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Speaker 8: don't care what coordinator you bring in here. The problem

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Speaker 8: is Duke to Then you tell me, you guys know that,

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Speaker 8: you tell me what player they've drafted, maybe since Tina,

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Speaker 8: because I guess you could say Jesse Base that that

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Speaker 8: on the defensive side that he is drafted that's worked out.

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Speaker 8: There hasn't really been one. I'm not that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 8: The problem is Duke cogn with this. Like I said,

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Speaker 8: we know it wasn't Luana remost faults we know we

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Speaker 8: I mean, now Golden, I mean you can blame him,

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Speaker 8: but he doesn't have Let's just call what it is.

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Speaker 2: They do not have the talent.

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Speaker 8: They have misevaluated his talent since Duke Coubin's been here,

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Speaker 8: and that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: No, that's one fair, Chad. I appreciate the phone call.

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Speaker 2: I think this more so, like you you mentioned yesterday

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Speaker 2: Alsen leaving the staium, you had a lot of people

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Speaker 2: talking about Zach Taylor shouldn't be the head coach. You

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Speaker 2: can't survive a loss like that. I think in the

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Speaker 2: last Man twenty hours. I've heard more pushback on Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin than I think I've heard in a long time,

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Speaker 2: because people are starting to see through the rest of it.

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Speaker 2: People are starting to see who and what this team

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Speaker 2: really is. And again I go back to just a

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Speaker 2: mistackle stack misstackles that eighty one miss tackles. That at

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Speaker 2: least tells me that guys are in the position to

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Speaker 2: make a play. You can't, as a decordinator make the

647
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: tackle yourself. It's an uphill battle, it's tough, and you

648
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: just don't have the personnel. You're trying to create magic.

649
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 2: If you don't have the personnel, then you better be

650
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: one of the best scheme coaches in the game. And

651
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: I just don't think they have that.

652
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, offensively, it's hard to argue with what

653
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 3: they've done. Like I have issues with the last two

654
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: drives of the game, and I didn't like the play calling.

655
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: I didn't like the design. I thought it could have

656
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Speaker 2: been better.

657
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Speaker 3: But offensively, in the month of October, given all the

658
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: crap that they've gone through, they're a top five offense

659
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: in the NFL, and they did score thirty eight points yesterday,

660
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: which should have been enough to win, and so for

661
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: that reason, like that, that's always been part of the

662
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: equation with Zach because the offense seems to work, but

663
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: the defense has always been so bad that the offense

664
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Speaker 3: has to be perfect for the most part, and the

665
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: defense at times in the past has been opportunistic and

666
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: at times lucky in twenty one and twenty two, so

667
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: like offensively, there's at least something to look at and say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this isn't entirely on Zach because they are putting up

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Speaker 3: points and the season that Burrow and Chase had last year,

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Speaker 3: and Jamar continues to be good in Flacco and by

671
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: the way, the best running team in the NFL over

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00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: the last four games, which is amazing considering where they

673
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: were at, and they deserve credit for that. But a

674
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: lot of people also look around and say, you know,

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin, he's the one who's drafting all these defenders

676
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: that list that you gave up earlier, and none of

677
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Speaker 3: them are effective. And Duke is also the guy who's

678
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: supposed to be driving the bus when it comes to

679
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 3: once you do get a good player, do you retain them?

680
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: And they haven't done that. I mean, think back to

681
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Speaker 3: the Jesse Bates thing, man, like, this thing really unra

682
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: it really unraveled with Jesse Bates.

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Speaker 2: I go back and I saw James Depeene write this yesterday.

684
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: The poor tackling, the lack of pass rush, the fundamentals

685
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: that they're just not sound in. Those are things that

686
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Speaker 2: are reflection of poor coaching, and unfortunately, when you're the

687
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Speaker 2: head coach, that's a reflection of you the team as

688
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Speaker 2: a whole. You could also argue that that tackling in

689
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Speaker 2: general from guys that have played the game on the

690
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: defense side of the ball, toughness on the defensive side

691
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Speaker 2: of the ball, that can also be a culture attitude

692
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,959
Speaker 2: as well. And if you keep allowing that to happen,

693
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: what's gonna change. You're gonna start having a lot of

694
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: guys start to make business decisions. Ah, maybe I could

695
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: get back in there, but my my back's a little tighter,

696
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: my knees a little banged up, got some bumps and bruises.

697
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: Unfortunate for Zach, a lot of the team issues are

698
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: a reflection of coaching, not his side of the ball,

699
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Speaker 2: But as the head coach, you're going to be the

700
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Speaker 2: captain of that ship more times than not. That's going

701
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: to make it very tough going forward. We're going to

702
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: go forward. We'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll

703
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: finish up this hour with a couple more Bengals topics,

704
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: a couple of phone call or two, and then we will,

705
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Speaker 2: and rightfully so, switch gears and we'll spend the second

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Speaker 2: part of our number two, or the first part of

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Speaker 2: our number two talking about the Cincinnati Bearcats and the

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Speaker 2: opportunity that they have now given themselves going forward. It's

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Speaker 2: the Monday Midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen to thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: It's closed versus pull.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back Monday Midday Quarterback, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Real quick, because we're backed up here against the hour

714
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Speaker 2: rest of the NFL. That happened yesterday before we switch

715
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Speaker 2: gears to some college football Austin. Yeah, we talked about

716
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: the slate being poor, not a lot of great games

717
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: yesterday as well. Bill's dominated the Carolina Panthers. Is James

718
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: Cook the best player on the Bills offense right now? Yeah?

719
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: Crushed it yesterday, nineteen carries for two sixteen and two touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: How about what the Dolphins did to the Falcons. Falcons

721
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Speaker 2: missed their chance to trade Kirk Cousins. He was awful yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean they were never gonna they missed their

723
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Speaker 3: chance to trade Hi when they signed him to that deal,

724
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: my goodness, all those years ago, and then immediately drafted

725
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Speaker 3: his replacement.

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Speaker 2: The fact that that team can't get Bejon Robinson more

727
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: involved in mora is insane. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you know what's interesting about that, Zach Robinson spelled

729
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: the same way as Zach Taylor. Bestie boys with Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor and friends from their days in Los Angelesabeth. Uh,

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Speaker 3: what's that guy's name? Sean mcvayh Yeah, So yeah.

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Speaker 2: Patriots beat the Browns thirty two thirteen yesterday, But somehow

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00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: the storyline is still Miles Garrett, who had five sacks

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Speaker 2: in the game. He's got ten on the year with

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Speaker 2: nine games remaining.

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Speaker 3: I heard someone this morning say that the Browns should

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Speaker 3: trade Miles Garrett to the Dallas Cowboys for both of

738
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Speaker 3: those first round picks they got in the Micah Parsons trade. Okay,

739
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: with leave Cleveland with four first round picks next year.

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Speaker 2: Why not? Why not? Unfortunate scene in Philly yesterday. Philly

741
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: won the game thirty eight to twenty. But the unfortunate

742
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: thing Camp Scattaboo left with a devastating ankle injury.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to have surgery in Philadelphia, media surgery

744
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: overnight because it was an open dislocation.

745
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Speaker 2: Yep. So yeah, it was tough. He's obviously done for

746
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: the season. Yep. What did you make of what Tyler

747
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: Huntley did with the Baltimore Ravens. I'll be honest, I

748
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: didn't see a second of that game. I thought he

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00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: looked smooth. I thought he was well in control of

750
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Speaker 2: the offense, ran the ball extremely effective. They found Derrick

751
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: Henry enough say, Flowers played it well. Evan's got a

752
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 2: must win and they did so without Lamar Jackson. Bad

753
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: loss for the Bears. They get to regroup now and

754
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: come to Cincinnati Roma Dunes. DeAndre Swift probably licking their

755
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: chops right now for what's ahead of them on Sunday

756
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: the Texans. How about the Texans? CJ. Stroud threw for

757
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Speaker 2: three eighteen and two touchdowns as they beat the forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers. The Tampa Bay Bucks, albeit very short handed

759
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: on offense, defense, came through in a big way. Bucks

760
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: beat the Saints twenty three to three. Broncos dominate the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys forty four to twenty four. Are the Colts the

762
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Speaker 2: best team in the NFL? Yes, Jonathan Taylor, you know

763
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: it's coming. Still try to stop at twelve carries, one

764
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three yards, two touchdowns. Daniel Jones added

765
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Speaker 2: three passing touchdowns as well, and the Colts roll along.

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Speaker 2: And then last night Sunday Night Football, Steelers just could

767
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: not finish drives with touchdowns. Packers score twenty eight in

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Speaker 2: the second half to pull away from the Green Bay

769
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Speaker 2: or from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Steelers have now lost two

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Speaker 2: in a row, which opens the door I guess you

771
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: could stay say still for the Cincinnati Bengals, But more importantly,

772
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Speaker 2: I think it opens the door for the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 2: as well. What'd you make from Steelers Packers last night?

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Speaker 3: I keep thinking about, like the Steelers' offense isn't very good,

775
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: Like it's it's okay, but like Aaron Rodgers doesn't look

776
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: like Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, you know, and that's kind of weird.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's just because he's older, he's

778
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 3: a little bit slower. I don't know if his receivers

779
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: aren't that good outside of DK Metcalf, Like their run

780
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: game is inconsistent. Like I don't think Pittsburgh's very good

781
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: truthfully now. And that defense has a lot of major issues.

782
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Speaker 3: But like even Rogers, it doesn't feel like is putting

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Speaker 3: the team on his back at any point. There was

784
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: a time last night as well talking about putting the

785
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Speaker 3: team on your back. Jordan Love, over the course of

786
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: that game, completed in a stretch twenty straight passes, Yeah,

787
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: and covered two hundred and fifty two yards. He looked awesome, Gosh,

788
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: it was so good, Like he was fantastic. And that's like,

789
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Speaker 3: you know, Packers fans have kind of been looking for that, yep,

790
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: because you want that killer instinct, you want in the

791
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: second half half to come out and instead of playing

792
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: down to your competition, you play up to your level.

793
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: And that's you know, Matt Matt Lafleur said that in

794
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 3: the locker room post game that like, in the second half,

795
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: that's who we're supposed to be. And you know, and

796
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: how fulfilling he did against Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I think

797
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh has a long long way to go. Yeah, And

798
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: I'm not convinced Aaron's gonna come back next year. Monday,

799
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: which makes their the rest of their season and going

800
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: into their offseason really interesting too.

801
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Monday Night Football Chiefs at home against the Jayden

802
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: Daniels List Commanders. It's a ten and a half point

803
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: spread tonight, But again, you get that game tonight, you

804
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: get Game three of the World Series. You also get

805
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: hells reel between FC Cincinnati and Columbus. When we come

806
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: back the positive. The Cincinnati Bearcats won again and they

807
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: have set themselves up for a huge opportunity on the

808
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Speaker 2: road this coming Saturday. We'll discuss this previous Saturday and

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Speaker 2: look ahead to next Saturday to kick off our two

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Speaker 2: next on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is since e three sixty. The Monday

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Speaker 2: midday Quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. If

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Speaker 2: if you're not familiar with how Mondays work, I am

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Speaker 2: going to finish up hour number two and then I'm

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Speaker 2: going to head down to Twin Peaks in Florence. And

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Speaker 2: in Florence it'll be the Tony and Mo Football Show

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Speaker 2: where on that show, winners go first, So we will

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Speaker 2: be talking about the Bearcats first this afternoon off the

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Speaker 2: top of the Tony and Mo Football Show. For now,

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Speaker 2: let me rehash what the Bears were able to do

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Speaker 2: this past weekend at Knippert Stadium. They had another win

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Speaker 2: to their resume, and they do so at times in

839
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: convincing fashion and at times by leaving a little bit

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00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: to be desired. The Bearcats jumped out to a twenty

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Speaker 2: four to nothing lead with just three minutes left in

842
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Speaker 2: the first half, before Baylor was able to put together

843
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Speaker 2: a eleven play drive over the last two minutes and

844
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Speaker 2: eighteen seconds to make it twenty four to six. Baylor

845
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Speaker 2: got the ball to start the half, they score again

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Speaker 2: to make it twenty four to twelve. U See added

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Speaker 2: a field goal, but a fourth quarter Baylor touchdown did

848
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Speaker 2: bring this to within a one possession game, twenty seven

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Speaker 2: to twenty. But at that time when the Bearcats needed

850
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Speaker 2: it the most, at that time, when it felt like

851
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: the game was heading in the opposite direction, Brendon Soarsby

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Speaker 2: and the Bearcats put together a twelve play, seventy five

853
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Speaker 2: yard drive that went seven minutes and twenty one on

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Speaker 2: seconds and score to make it thirty four to twenty.

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Speaker 2: They then got the ball back on a fumble recovery

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Speaker 2: on the kickoff and scored again, and the next thing

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Speaker 2: you know, it's a forty one to twenty win for

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bearcats. One of the craziest statistics when you

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00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: look at the game, Max Fletcher, the punter for the

860
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bearcats, punted once one punt forty four yards. Steven

861
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: Russnek added two field goals. He is perfect on the season.

862
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 2: He is perfect dating back to last season as well.

863
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: His long was from forty six so one punt, two

864
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: field goals, forty one points on the board, and yet

865
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: Austin it felt like the Bearcats didn't play well offensively.

866
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: Swarsby was a ho hum thirteen of twenty one for

867
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: just one hundred and eleven yards. He did run it

868
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 2: for eighty five. But in a game where for you

869
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: kind of felt like, man, the offense is struggling, you

870
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: look up and they only punted once and they scored

871
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: forty one points. This offense is so good they don't

872
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: turn the ball over. That makes them so much harder

873
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: to beat because they just don't give you those opportunities.

874
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: Sawyer Robertson, the Baylor quarterback, came into the game leading

875
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: the nation in touchdown passes, in yards per game, in

876
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: total passing. He was held to one hundred and thirty

877
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: seven yards in the air. Bearcats and Tyson Vite did

878
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: an unbelievable job on the nation's top passing attack. They

879
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: completely grounded it and again they gave up twenty But

880
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: it's more of the same bend but don't break, and

881
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: at the end you look up and it's another twenty

882
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: one point victory where you win going away. The Bearcats

883
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: recorded their seventh straight win and moved themselves to five

884
00:50:55,560 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: and zero in the Big Ten Conference. Now, I still

885
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: contend Joe Royer should be a more integral part of

886
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: this offense. He was targeted just once. He made the

887
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: catch for twelve yards on the first drive of the game.

888
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: It was a quiet day for Jeff Caudwell one catch.

889
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: Cyrus Allen, the team's leading receiver, caught three balls for

890
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: thirty six yards in a touchdown, but there wasn't just

891
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: much much going on in the air. I thought Logan Wilson,

892
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: their corner, had his best game as a Bearcat that

893
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: I've seen, and it puts them in line with the

894
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: conversation that we can now have. There are two teams

895
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: sitting atop the Big Twelve standings with five and zero records.

896
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 2: One is BYU, who's now the tenth ranked team in

897
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: the country, and the other is the Cincinnati Bearcats. Texas

898
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: Tech sits at four and one they host out of

899
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: a bye. They have a bye this weekend. Out of

900
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: the bye, they'll host BYU. Something's got to give in

901
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: that game. The Houston Cougars are now ranked nationally and

902
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: they sit at four in one of the Big Twelve

903
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: as well. Now they down the stretch will play West Virginia,

904
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: UCFTCU and Baylor, so winnable games for Houston a little

905
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: bit of a dark horse, But the real matchup comes

906
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 2: this Saturday night in Utah where the three and two

907
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: Big Twelve Utah UT six and two overall twenty fourth

908
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: ranked team in the country will play host to the

909
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: seventeenth ranks Cincinnati Bearcats. That game Buckle in ten fifteen

910
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: start here locally on ESPN. Not going to be ideal,

911
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: but College Game Day will be in attendance on Saturday

912
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: morning in Utah to get you set for everything. Utah

913
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: and Cincinnati get ready because Cincinnati is going to be

914
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: more of a national conversation this week. Brendan Soersby deserves

915
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: national intention. He's going to get that. Scott Saderfield deserves

916
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: national intention. He's going to get that. What this offense

917
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 2: does is going to get the attention that it nests.

918
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: It deserves at this point in the year. Now, it's

919
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: going to be a tall test. Utah beat up on

920
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: Colorado fifty three to seven over the weekend. They led

921
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: that game forty six to nothing at halftime. They held

922
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: Colorado to negative eighteen total first half yards. They ran

923
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: it for three hundred yards did utall in the half alone.

924
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: They go on to win going away. This Utah team

925
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: very well balanced. They can run the rock with the

926
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: best of them. It's a good stout defense, and they

927
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: are going to be ready to play when Cincinnati rolls

928
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: into town on Saturday. Did you get to see much

929
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: of the Bearcat game Saturday, Austin.

930
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched most of the first half. I'll admit

931
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 3: being horizontal on the couch. I dozed off a little

932
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 3: bit in the second hand. They look so good in

933
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: the first time, and then I woke up and I'm like,

934
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: wait a minute, this is closer than it was supposed

935
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: to be.

936
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: And then they took air business. Yeah, it's weird. It

937
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: feels like they've not yet played their best game. It

938
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: feels like they've not played a complete game and they're

939
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: seven and one. But yeah, that's the good thing.

940
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: Like you find ways to win despite this might go wrong,

941
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 3: or that might go wrong, or we didn't perform at

942
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 3: this level, but we still find a way to win

943
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: a game. That is critical And to me, like the

944
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 3: offense is so fun to watch because it's so balanced

945
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of different ways that they can

946
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: beat you. They're elite inside the red zone. And I

947
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 3: think you can kind of say the same thing about

948
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: the defense, like there are there's that bind but don't

949
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: break mentality. Yeah, of course that we always talk about,

950
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: but that's important health. The Bengals were ben but don't break.

951
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: We'd love them, but they just break and break and break,

952
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: and there's something to be said about that. And it

953
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: builds confidence to say, Okay, we might give up a

954
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: big play here, but that doesn't mean we're gonna give

955
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 3: up a touchdown. That doesn't mean we're gonna give up

956
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 3: a field goal. We can still find a way to

957
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: dislodge this football or tip it and pick it off

958
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: or whatever it might be. So the overall confidence of

959
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: that unit, when you win games that maybe you feel

960
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: like you shouldn't or that you didn't perform at the

961
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: yet your best, that gives you a lot of confidence

962
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: that in the next game when something goes wrong, we'll

963
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 3: figure it out. Like it's not gonna be easy to

964
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 3: go to Utah and play that team. And there are

965
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: gonna be times where they hit a big play, or

966
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: the Bearcats turn the ball over or something bad's gonna happen,

967
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: But that sideline is gonna say, Okay, we've been here before.

968
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: We can figure this out. They're not gonna panic, They're

969
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 3: not gonna quit. And that's what winning games in different fashions,

970
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: despite things maybe not always going your way, that can

971
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: build into a team down the stretch in these big games.

972
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: I know it's only Monday, I can already tell you

973
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: what I think the game comes down to. The Bearcats

974
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: are not great against the run. This year. They offer

975
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 2: minimal resistance. They've been giving up one hundred and forty

976
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: one yards per game on the ground Austin. Any guess

977
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: what Utah gains on the ground per game. Uh No,

978
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: to sixty seven. That's pretty good. Fifth in the country,

979
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 2: fifth best rushing attack in college football to sixty seven

980
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 2: per game against a team. And you see that struggles

981
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: to stop the run. What is the best way to

982
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: slow down a really good offense? Austin stop the run, yeah,

983
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: and keep the ball. Like, if you're Utah offensively, how

984
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: do you slow down sowersby just limit his possessions two

985
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty seven yards per game. That means they

986
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: win the time of possession battle. You see last in

987
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve in time of possession. Now, going up

988
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: against a team that's going to possess the ball and

989
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: limit offensive possessions, that's going to be tall, tall task

990
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: for you. See, it's such a tall task Austin that

991
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: as of right now, Utah is a seven and a

992
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: half point favorite on Saturday night. Dang. Now, there was

993
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: one statistic that ended on Saturday that I thought was

994
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: a tough one to watch go by the wayside. You see,

995
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: Austin had been thirty three for thirty three on the

996
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: season in the red zone on offense. They led the

997
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: nation in converting those red zone trips to touchdowns. And

998
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: at the end of the game, UC was facing a

999
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 2: third and short on the twenty two yard line. They

1000
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: picked up the first down on the seventeen and then

1001
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: took a knee to end the game, which means that

1002
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: goes down as a red zone failed trip. That stat

1003
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: has to be changed. They were taken a knee, but

1004
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: they got inside the twenty should have kicked the field

1005
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: goal exactly. So they're thirty three for thirty three red

1006
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: zone percentages now thirty three for thirty four. What about this, though?

1007
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: What about?

1008
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: Have you seen this stat about Scott's Sadderfield with Advisor

1009
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 3: and without Advisor?

1010
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: What you got?

1011
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 10: So?

1012
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: I saw this from a Twitter account called the State

1013
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: of Cincinnati. All right, Okay, They said that they spent

1014
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 3: the last three days checking all one hundred and forty

1015
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: two Scott Saderfield coached games. His coaching record while wearing

1016
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: his visor had a five forty two win percentage. His

1017
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: games without wearing Advisor had an eight thirty three win percentage. Wow,

1018
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 3: and Nick Saban's career coaching record has an eighth six

1019
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: win percentage.

1020
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1021
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: So that's nearly thirty points higher than Nick Saban's career

1022
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: win percentage when Scott Satterfield does not wear Advisor to

1023
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: coach again. So their conclusion from this website, their conclusion

1024
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 3: is that a visorist Scott Saderfield is the greatest college

1025
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 3: football coach of all time. And if you noticed on Saturday,

1026
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: Sat had a hat on till ballcap, not a visor smart.

1027
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 3: Not a good weekend for former UC head coaches. Luke

1028
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: Thick lost again, although they they put up a good

1029
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: effort in Oregon twenty one to seven. They lost that game,

1030
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 3: which means they hit the uh. Was that it was

1031
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: like seven and nothing at halftime, wasn't he? Yeah, it

1032
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 3: was a terrible weather game. Feel pretty terrible weather, UH

1033
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: twenty one to seven, which means they hit the under

1034
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 3: on the projected point total seven and a half for

1035
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: back to back weeks. Elsewhere in the college football world,

1036
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: you mentioned before the show Indiana might be for real

1037
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: fifty six to six over UCLA, Texas A and M

1038
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: went into LSU and dog walked the Tigers forty nine

1039
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: to twenty five. It was so bad that LSU said,

1040
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: we'll pay the fifty four million to Brian Kelly and

1041
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 3: we're cannon him. Brian Kelly's out as the head coach

1042
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: at LSU. Did you see what Brian Kelly said to

1043
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 3: the team and the team meeting.

1044
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: Hey, whatever he said was much more than he said

1045
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 2: to any of the teams I was on. Well, it

1046
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: wasn't much more.

1047
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: According to the reports, Brian Kelly goes to this team

1048
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 3: meeting after he's been canned by LSU, says five words

1049
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: to the team, love y'all finished the season.

1050
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: That was it. That was it. So that's what Moe

1051
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: was alluding to. Yeah, Mo tweeted that too, make it

1052
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: fun of bright So Mo tweeted out forty five minutes ago,

1053
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: love y'all finished the season, but provided no context. Yeah,

1054
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is he talking too?

1055
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 3: How to have been reading the report about the details,

1056
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: It's like, what is he talking about?

1057
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: Kelly Alabama knocked off South Carolina twenty nine to twenty two.

1058
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech is now eight to No. Seventh in the country.

1059
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: They dominated Syracuse. Lane Kiffing picks up a big road

1060
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: win in Oklahoma. Old miss wins that one. Miami got

1061
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: back on track with win over Stanford. Vandy beat Missouri

1062
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: seventeen to ten byu down multiple touchdowns in that game,

1063
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: comes back to beat Iowa State forty one to twenty seven.

1064
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: Texas Tech wins big over Oklahoma State. Tennessee yikes stoops

1065
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 2: struggling at Kentucky fifty six to thirty four. Tennessee beats Kentucky.

1066
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: Memphis beats South Florida. Louisville wins against Boston College, Mississippi

1067
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: State loses after getting out scored by seventeen in the

1068
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: fourth quarter to Texas. Houston upset Arizona State, and Michigan

1069
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: beat Michigan State. Any other college football happenings we missed anything.

1070
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 3: I did think that it was funny during the Indiana

1071
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: game that Urban Meyer was like getting closer and closer

1072
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Speaker 3: to Kurt Signetti and like on the sideline, did you

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Speaker 3: see they asked Urban about this?

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Speaker 2: He's getting ready for the Big Ten championship game. Be

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Speaker 2: set up size anything, he said, I'm sizing him up.

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Speaker 2: Just get a good look at him. Hey, you know

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01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: he checked him out on Google. He's like, all right,

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01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: I've googled him. Let me see what he's about.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of funny about that whole thing is like

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Speaker 3: Urban is not afraid to, like, no, openly be like

1081
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 3: I'm a Buckeye fan and I'm a Buck guye yep.

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Speaker 3: If I was Indiana, I would say, get the hell

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Speaker 3: off my sideline because you're still buddies with Ryan Day.

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Speaker 2: I don't need you.

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Speaker 3: Listening to anything we're looking at Like, I give no

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Speaker 3: Urban Bear watch out man.

1087
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: College football role as breaking along.

1088
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: Probably knows that Ohio State's gonna need all the help

1089
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 3: they can get against Indiana because they are legit.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break, let's come back. Said this to

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Speaker 2: you and you came in today. I can't wait for

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Speaker 2: talkbacks today. We'll see what our listeners have to say

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Speaker 2: next on the Monday midday quarterback on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports station.

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Speaker 1: Now it's Claws versus Pause when the Bengals and Bears

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01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: battle in the chungle. One thing I know for sure,

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Speaker 1: somebody's getting malled. Will the Orange and Black pounce on

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01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: the wind or will the team from the Windy City

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Speaker 1: blow away our beloved Bengals coverage begins Sunday at nine am.

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Speaker 1: Stream for free. Are the new and improved iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 1: or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 12: Tune for talkbacks.

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01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 13: Go and grab your phone and record a message.

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01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 12: Just hit that microphone.

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01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

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01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 14: And those sprinkle sprinkle drift drifts.

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01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 15: It's up time for tuk backs.

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Speaker 12: It's her favorite party since e three sixty, So Austin

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01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 12: Buddy played those talkbacks on your screen and please drive

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Speaker 12: nowt to sabotage.

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Speaker 2: Come on a new week, and I can imagine so

1112
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 2: many eager folks ready to give their thoughts on yesterday's debacle.

1113
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Speaker 16: Embarrassing memorializing the season under thirty eight points.

1114
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: You can't win the game.

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Speaker 16: You got a head coach with dumb play calling at

1116
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 16: the very end, and after he called a good game, saying,

1117
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 16: you know what, we're up by seven, let's throw at

1118
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 16: three straight times. And I got two running backs getting

1119
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 16: seven yards of pop. You got a defense I probably

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Speaker 16: couldn't stop a Peeway team. Sam Our Stewart's putting. That's

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01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 16: the same stats up he was in college. And just

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Speaker 16: just all around embarrassing. I think you got a trade

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Speaker 16: tray and get rid of this whole coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: Come on, come on, thanks keV Oh here they do

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Speaker 2: that on Lap Day.

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Speaker 3: I could think you could argue as really fitting that

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Speaker 3: they did that, because nobody's had to see that more

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Speaker 3: than Lap over the years. Yeah, I mean he was

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Speaker 3: there for all those games in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember what number did lapwear. He wore number

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Speaker 2: sixty two. Okay, I just wanted to make sure that

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Speaker 2: was clarified.

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Speaker 17: Wait, we got the Zach Taylor's Special Deluxe yesterday, didn't

1134
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 17: we I think everybody in the whole universe knew we

1135
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 17: were gonna run the ball second and ten down by

1136
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 17: one ridiculous. But I did feel like I was watching

1137
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 17: angels in the outfield, watching Justin Fields play yesterday and

1138
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 17: rip Nick Mangold. But my goodness, it seemed like everything

1139
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 17: Fields did yesterday just seemed to turn to Will gold.

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01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough to argue.

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01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 18: Start betch cut. Who's on the hot seat, Duke Tobman,

1142
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 18: Zach Taylor, Al Golden? For me, personally, I'm wrint for

1143
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 18: the Bengals to lose every freaking game from here on

1144
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 18: out by freaking forty points because nothing will change unless

1145
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 18: it's freaking obvious to the owners of this freaking football team.

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01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm pissed.

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Speaker 2: Austin. Go ahead, start bench cut. I kind of forgot

1148
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Speaker 2: what he even said.

1149
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin, Zach Taylor, and Al Golden, Yep, I'll cut

1150
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Speaker 3: him all.

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Speaker 14: Hello, this is former President Ronald rigging Well. I heard

1152
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 14: Brian Kelly say late last week that he would have

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Speaker 14: liked to have come to Tony's Hall of Fame induction ceremony,

1154
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 14: but he couldn't because he was busy coaching. Too bad

1155
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 14: that ceremony couldn't have been this coming weekend. Yeah he

1156
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 14: could have made that now that LSU said, by you

1157
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 14: to Brian buy out.

1158
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: Kelly Wow came with a lot of money in his Pompkins.

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01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: It's struggling here.

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Speaker 19: Fifteen and Austin Gilmour as a boy I was in Silverton.

1161
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 19: I have so many questions about yesterday. I need some answers.

1162
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 19: I don't even know what to think anymore. But my

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Speaker 19: main concern with all this, do you think aj mcierton

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Speaker 19: has a shot at winning lieutenant governor in Alabama?

1165
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 2: He's got just as good a shot as anybody say

1166
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Speaker 2: he probably does.

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Speaker 3: If Tommy Tuberville can do it, anybody can Greg Scharonville.

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Speaker 2: In spite of the Bengals, it was still a great weekend.

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Speaker 20: Tony Pike Hall of Fame, Bearcats win, Brian Kelly gets

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01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 20: forty nine hung on him by.

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Speaker 2: An m oh Man. Do you think Austin, if you

1172
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: take a look at the last four UC football coaches,

1173
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: besides scott's Addlefield, Kelly Fickle, Butch Jones or Tommy Tuberville,

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01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: Tub's having the most success.

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Speaker 3: No, well he won. He's got himself a seat at

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Speaker 3: what cost? His soul is universally hated. Uh, what's Butch

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Speaker 3: Davis doing or Butch Jones?

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Speaker 2: Don't wear Butch Jones. I think he's at a small

1179
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Speaker 2: school somewhere. He's probably doing better than Butch Jones is

1180
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: at Arkansas State. Okay, what are they doing? I'm about

1181
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Speaker 2: to find out. Go ahead and play the next talkback and

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Speaker 2: I'll find out when Arkansas This.

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Speaker 6: Is chim and a great day, great victory Saturday for

1184
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Speaker 6: you and our bear Cats. But as far as Sunday goes,

1185
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna do laundry from now on because I

1186
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 6: don't know how you guys lift up the fan base

1187
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 6: or talk this away. I don't know how Zach Taylor

1188
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 6: and al Aluminum in the bend and keep on bending

1189
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 6: defense talks this away. They ought to be made to

1190
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 6: go back out in the jungle and pick up all

1191
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Speaker 6: the jockstraps that were left there by their defense and

1192
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 6: then throw them away because you don't need them. They

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Speaker 6: weren't protecting anything.

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Speaker 2: Dang, Arkansas State is four and four on the Yeah,

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01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: I'll go, I'll go. But Jones.

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Speaker 21: OK, all right, there's gonna be a different talk back.

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01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 22: Than the ones before.

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Speaker 21: Now, don't care if I'm delusional.

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Speaker 5: That got a chance.

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Speaker 21: The Steelers lost last night. The Steelers have the Colts,

1201
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 21: then the Chargers than us. Go beat the freakin Bears

1202
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 21: on Sunday, Go to the bye four and five, figure

1203
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 21: it out, defense, play better. That's all you have to do.

1204
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 21: Joe Flacco's put it up thirty eight points. This season

1205
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 21: is not gone. The division is ten and seven wins

1206
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 21: the division. Go beat the Bears.

1207
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Speaker 2: I wish I could he to that. I said, all

1208
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: you gotta do is play better. Yep.

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Speaker 7: Well, Also, Austin, your mustache is fine. If you want

1210
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 7: to grow mustache, you can grow mustache. I don't think

1211
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 7: Mo and Tony need to designate five to ten plus

1212
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 7: minutes fair time at the Holy Grill to.

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Speaker 2: Your mustache, So rocket if you want. I'm not saying

1214
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: it looks good. I'm just saying, yeah, I was ready

1215
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:02,719
Speaker 2: to go yesterday. Yeah.

1216
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there and I'm having a lovely conversation with

1217
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 3: Jim Mooring from the Holy Grail, and all of a sudden,

1218
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 3: I see eyeballs looking at me, and I hear mustache talk.

1219
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: I didn't really know.

1220
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 3: I still don't really know what you guys said about

1221
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:16,520
Speaker 3: my mustache.

1222
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: I would have to go back and listen, ready to go.

1223
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: I'll be honest what happened.

1224
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 3: Not that anybody cares, but I my beard got so

1225
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: itchy and I got so tired of it nothing was working.

1226
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 3: Instead of like using my normal guard, I just said,

1227
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 3: screw it, I'm taking it all off, so, which is

1228
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 3: not abnormal. I've done that before, and my hair on

1229
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 3: my face grows back pretty quickly. It's already halfway back almost,

1230
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 3: So I just a couple of days, you know, But

1231
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 3: I get made fun of all time.

1232
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 2: Wait, we should have spent more time on that and

1233
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: less game, less time on the actual game itself. After

1234
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: watching the.

1235
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 3: Game, well, and then ken Brew brought me on the air,

1236
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 3: and then I basically said, but here's what's gonna happen today.

1237
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 3: Bengals have a bad offensive line, bad defensive line, can't tackle.

1238
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 3: Jets could win the game.

1239
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 23: Man oh man, what was that yesterday? And it's the

1240
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 23: main reason nobody should have bought back in to this

1241
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 23: team after that one win.

1242
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 2: And you probably feel pretty.

1243
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 23: Foolish today if you did, because this team still severely

1244
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 23: flowed and Chase having forty two targets in the last

1245
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 23: two games is insane and not okay. That is not

1246
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 23: the way an NFL offense is supposed to be run.

1247
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 23: This is in high school.

1248
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: I don't care how good the dude is.

1249
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 23: You cannot target one guy that much. You have to

1250
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 23: spread the ball around more So, Zach Taylor needs to

1251
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 23: be more creative in flac who needs to spread the

1252
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 23: ball around because NFL defenses will figure that out and

1253
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 23: shut it down.

1254
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: I disagree with you, Yeah, I disagree. I'm giving Jamar

1255
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: Chase as many touches as possible.

1256
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 23: And another crazy thing is you have t Higgins on

1257
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 23: the other side and you get two targets yesterday too.

1258
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 2: That's a fair point, which.

1259
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 21: Chase have twenty.

1260
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Speaker 23: I mean, why did you even pay t Higgins the

1261
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 23: thirty million dollars whatever you paid him a year white

1262
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 23: and paying why not just trade him if you're not

1263
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 23: even gonna use him. This team makes no sense, and

1264
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 23: obviously the defense is awful, and now gold looks like

1265
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 23: he's in.

1266
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: Over his head.

1267
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 23: And by the way, was over there thriving in Indianapolis,

1268
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 23: So they're probably gonna need a new defensive.

1269
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: Coordinator and a head kick. You know, my my only thing. Yes,

1270
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: outside of the last two drives, and we've talked about

1271
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: this before, this is nothing new. There has to be

1272
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 2: a point in which someone on the offensive staff. And

1273
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: it's hard to be the play caller and the head

1274
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: coach because you're you're gonna lose sight of some of this.

1275
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: Does someone on that staff Austin have the ability to say, Hey, Zach,

1276
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 2: we're here midway through the third quarter. T Higgins has

1277
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 2: two targets and one catch. Can we can we call

1278
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: something to get him the ball?

1279
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 3: And I think what's different between T and Jamar is

1280
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: Jamar will go up to Zach and say that. And

1281
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 3: I don't know that T is that type of person.

1282
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: We have personality, but we had our receiver coach at

1283
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 2: UC was awesome in the sense of, you know, it

1284
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: wasn't it was a lot about Marty Gilliard. But there

1285
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: would be times where he would come to me and say, Hey,

1286
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna try to work in something here

1287
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 2: to get DJ a touch or to get so into

1288
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 2: a touch. You have to do that. You have to

1289
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: be aware of that as the game's going on.

1290
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 3: And I would assume Troy Walters is he's one of

1291
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: the best position coaches in the NFL, A bright spot

1292
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 3: on that coaching staff. Uh So, I have a hard

1293
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: time believing that is it not at least discussed.

1294
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: It has to be, It has to be.

1295
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 24: It's the Lord. The Bengals have absolutely, positively, without a doubt,

1296
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 24: have the worst defense in the NFL. Jeff Flacco, it's

1297
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 24: not your fault. You can't help that we have the

1298
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 24: worst defense in the NFL.

1299
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 2: True.

1300
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 25: Justin field, drop stack, that's all I throw. You know,

1301
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 25: I was at the game yesterday and the fourth quarter came.

1302
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 25: It was like Tiger Woods being now on three strokes

1303
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 25: with nine to player on a Sunday. You can see

1304
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 25: it in every fans face. We knew it was coming,

1305
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 25: it was inevitable. Then leaving the game, no motion, no yelling,

1306
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 25: no cousin, no fighting, just a broken to jack, a

1307
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 25: fan base bombs, just numb to the situation and justin

1308
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 25: feel sory of time checked down a preestall Bergod tackle

1309
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 25: touched down.

1310
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 2: How many times yesterday have you've seen already? There was

1311
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: a you know, Demetrius Knight of Barrett Carter in the

1312
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: hole to make a tackle and just completelyhifted and gave

1313
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: up a big game.

1314
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 3: Barrett Carter looks like Ray Charles playing middle linebacker. Gosh,

1315
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 3: you know what's worse than any thing? Though, I think

1316
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 3: Ray Charles might have better eyesight than Barrett Carter. I'm

1317
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 3: gonna give you a stat real quick PFF grades for

1318
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 3: the Bengals defense. Yeah, Logan Wilson twenty nine point one.

1319
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 3: He didn't play good.

1320
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: Are you worried at all that we've now seen Logan

1321
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 2: say trade me and now is out here performing poorly?

1322
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 26: No?

1323
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't. You don't think there's business decisions that will

1324
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: be made. No, I don't think. I don't think so.

1325
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 2: I also don't think he's going to get traded, just coincided.

1326
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 3: Especially Shaka Hayward just is out with a fibula fracture

1327
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 3: for the next four weeks.

1328
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 2: So Logan Wilson ain't going anywhere.

1329
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 27: Happy Monday, fellas. I shouldn't be complaining about the Bengals offense,

1330
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 27: but I'm going to. Why would they only give t

1331
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 27: Higgins one target and then on the last drive they

1332
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 27: run the ball up the gut and then throw it

1333
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 27: twice to yoshivash or whatever his name is and he

1334
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 27: drops it when he should have caught it.

1335
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 2: I'm just frustrated, Yeah, frustrating. I get that these are

1336
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: all good questions.

1337
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 28: Hide this vot from the west side. Oh my, I

1338
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 28: don't even know where to start. Let's say, after that game,

1339
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 28: I have never been so mentally drained because of this team,

1340
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 28: and I'm just over it now. Like I after thirty

1341
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 28: years being a fan, I really don't know if I

1342
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 28: can follow this team anymore. I'd rather spend my Sundays

1343
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 28: with my family and kid. I don't know, Fire, Zach.

1344
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 3: I don't normally get mad at games, but I was walking.

1345
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 3: I was steaming yesterday. I think at one point you

1346
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 3: get yesterday you tweeted fire everyone. Yeah that's how I felt,

1347
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 3: and I was like, Man, Austin is pissed.

1348
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: For Al Golden.

1349
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 29: Man just had a bad day.

1350
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of bad days.

1351
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 30: Actually, blame you, the media and the fans. Why the

1352
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 30: Bengals are in the position are right now? You guys

1353
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 30: wanted Marvin Lewis fired, he blamed said to Mike Brown,

1354
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 30: I wanted coach with a young, up and coming, offensive

1355
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 30: minded coach, Zach Taylor. You guys wanted to pay Burrow

1356
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 30: Higgins and Chase all the money the Bengals didn't have.

1357
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: They had it, that's why they paid them.

1358
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 30: And now you have to make the bed you guys

1359
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 30: sleep in.

1360
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, blame must if it makes you feel better. Yeah,

1361
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: whatever you need to do. I get it. People are mad.

1362
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 7: You know.

1363
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 26: The colder it gets out there, the harder it gets

1364
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 26: for some of us to sleep, those of us with

1365
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 26: arthritis and.

1366
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 15: Nervous injuries and the like.

1367
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 26: But speaking of nervous about Zach Taylor and al goldenfl

1368
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 26: opportunity this morning, Huh what a mess? My brother's best

1369
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 26: quote from the second half. These guys couldn't stop a

1370
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 26: sentence with a period m harder than I shot right

1371
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 26: back with this defensive line, couldn't find a sack if

1372
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 26: their mama was the plug.

1373
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: Couldn't stop a sentence for the period that is that

1374
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 2: is gas.

1375
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 14: Right, double dipper gipper here and well, I've seen better

1376
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 14: tackling at the County Greased Pig contest.

1377
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 31: M Mmmm, it's up, guys, Big kahone in Kentucky. I'm

1378
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 31: not sure what you're hearing, but my ears to the

1379
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 31: ground and telling me sadder fields putting out feelers and

1380
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 31: want this Virginia Tech job.

1381
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 2: You know, he was on the hot seat.

1382
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 31: Going into this year, and he had history in the

1383
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 31: past that happened a good year and getting out before

1384
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 31: that get him kind of like Tommy Tubberbille too. Do

1385
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 31: you think Saderfield will stick around here? Do you think

1386
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 31: he's gonna bounce out if it's not for Virginia take

1387
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 31: for something else.

1388
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 2: I think he'll be here. Well, I'm sure lsu is

1389
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: called already this morning.

1390
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 32: They can't the good news, gentlemen, pitchers and catchers.

1391
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: Don't you dare? That's not good news. Don't you dare?

1392
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,679
Speaker 3: You want to talk about a fallacy. This is something

1393
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 3: that's just not true. It's never good when pitchers and

1394
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 3: catchers report, because that means that we are about to

1395
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,520
Speaker 3: watch the Reds screw up again for six months.

1396
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 33: Bill Kauer on the DP Show says Louis n Rumo

1397
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 33: was the best offseason acquisition in the NFL. Zach scapegoats

1398
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 33: him and Canzel. Now he says someone on the other

1399
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 33: side needs to step up and take accountability. Other side, Zach, really,

1400
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 33: that's your side. You're the head coach. You take accountability.

1401
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 33: If Mike Brown and crew really cared, they'd step up

1402
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,520
Speaker 33: as well. If you can fire Franklin and Kelly.

1403
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 2: You can do the same.

1404
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 34: Yeah, hey, fellas, it's Adam and you know, right towards

1405
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 34: the end of the Bengals game, I think I could

1406
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 34: hear Mama Cass warming up in the wings and she's

1407
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 34: about to sing, hopefully not just on the Bengals season,

1408
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 34: but also Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor's career as a Bengal.

1409
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: I will I'll tell you what. Duke Tobin's not going anywhere. Yeah,

1410
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 2: I'll say this, and I lou and a Room has

1411
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: been great. Colts have been great. He's got the twenty

1412
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 2: fourth ranked defense in the NFL. Right now, they're still

1413
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 2: giving up three hundred Yeah, yeah, well they've given up

1414
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty five points a game. They were

1415
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 2: desperate enough to go after Jermaine Pratt. Now, I will say,

1416
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 2: have some injuries. They're sixth in the NFL. They allowed

1417
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: us nineteen points three a game. So they are doing

1418
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: similar what we saw here. They've been but don't break,

1419
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: but they're giving up a ton of yards. It's not

1420
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: like they've been dominant, but they are holding teams to

1421
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 2: field goals instead.

1422
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 3: Of touchdowns, if I'm not mistaken. They're also like a

1423
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 3: top three or four paid defense in the NFL, because like,

1424
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 3: the Steelers have the highest paid defense in the NFL

1425
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 3: and they're the worst, one of the worst. I can't

1426
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 3: say the worst because the Bengals exist, but the Colts

1427
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 3: have one of the highest paid defenses in the NFL

1428
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 3: as well.

1429
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bengals, if.

1430
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 3: You're wondering, are like ninety nine million dollars on their defense.

1431
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 35: Hey, Tony and Austin can for the last year. I

1432
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 35: don't want to talk about the Bengals are too dan depressing.

1433
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 35: I wanted to mention that my daughter, who is a

1434
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 35: UC alumnus, got transferred to Utah about a month ago

1435
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 35: by P and G and she is going to the

1436
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 35: Utah UC game.

1437
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: Oh.

1438
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 35: I'm quickly becoming a Bearcat fan because my Wildcats just suck.

1439
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 2: So anyway, go Bearcats. Okay, okay, boy Ken can't bo

1440
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: googer here. And I'm calling out Zach Taylor.

1441
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 36: Oh after the game yesterday or in a press conference,

1442
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 36: you said players need to hold each other accountable.

1443
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 15: Or who's going to hold you accountable?

1444
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 36: My friend, less than a minute to go marching down

1445
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 36: the field to win the game. You call a second

1446
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 36: and eight run with less than a minute and the

1447
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 36: runners right up the middle.

1448
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 2: You cost us that game.

1449
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 15: You really did. Shame on you, see you.

1450
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't even have that big the most serious we've

1451
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: ever heard the paintball guru is it stay low, in

1452
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 2: quiet or stay true or whatever.

1453
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 3: Like, I don't even have the run at the end

1454
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: of the game, that's not even my biggest problem. Like

1455
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 3: you'd been gashing them, you had all three timeouts, you

1456
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 3: were six yards away from uh being in Jet's territory.

1457
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 2: I at least understood that.

1458
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 36: Didn't execute the paintball Guru here on a rare occasion,

1459
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 36: a double dipping Bingals. You need a clean house after

1460
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 36: the season. A top down coaching staff needs to go.

1461
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 36: Duke Tobin definitely has to go. And Mike Brown, my friend,

1462
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 36: you need to retire. We need a new leadership and

1463
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 36: Cincinnati deserves a much better brand professional football team.

1464
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 15: Keep blow, stay quiet.

1465
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 2: Or you could just take take the previous talkbacker and

1466
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: just say that it's awesome.

1467
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 37: Hall clowning on the Bengals on Twitter.

1468
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 2: Is how embarrassing is that? Yeah?

1469
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 38: Hey, guys, Steven Montgomery. I'm not gonna waste my time

1470
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 38: talking anymore about this year's team, but just looking to

1471
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 38: the future. You got a bag, Zach Taylor, You got

1472
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 38: a bag out with Golden. Dan Pitcher I think could

1473
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 38: stay his offensive coordinator. Maybe he'd be better if he

1474
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 38: was given the play calling duties. And I'm opening him

1475
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 38: up my wallet and just offering Gleic Matt Patricia to

1476
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 38: come in here and be head coach and get a

1477
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 38: defensive coordinator that he's in tune with, and maybe get

1478
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 38: some toughness on this team because I've never seen a softer,

1479
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 38: more fragile franchise in my life.

1480
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 2: I do think the Bengals are soft. I don't know

1481
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 2: if Matt Patricia is going to fix that, and selfishly,

1482
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia can stay right where he is for a while. Uh.

1483
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: On top of that too, is like.

1484
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 3: They have bad players, yep, And I don't know that

1485
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 3: that we might not It might not be fixed.

1486
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: Next year either. That's that's the worrisome is like what's

1487
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: the quick fix with them? And you know, I keep

1488
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: thinking what I've been thinking about a lot. This morning.

1489
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 3: Al Golden was one on one man coverage against Jeremiah

1490
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 3: Smith and the biggest play.

1491
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 2: Of the game in the National Championship. He was that

1492
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: went about as good as you'd expect, he was.

1493
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 39: Tone, You're exactly right. The Bengals should have called a

1494
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 39: time out. They could have got They should have gotten

1495
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 39: in the field goal range and then started to mill

1496
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 39: at the clock. Yet the offense was rushing and then

1497
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 39: they ended up not doing anything. So Tone, you're right,

1498
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 39: should have called a time out. There bad coaching.

1499
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: They weren't rushing, they took their time. Yeah, I don't

1500
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: mind taking your time, but I believe the Jets had

1501
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: two timeouts left. Get yourself into field goal range and

1502
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 2: then make them use their timeouts.

1503
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 40: Cats Drutton rep in the city out here, it's sunny,

1504
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:12,599
Speaker 40: hot Zona.

1505
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: What up, Tony? What up?

1506
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 40: Body congratulates to Tony Saturday, Barret, that's excellent win. Moving

1507
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 40: up in the ringers. But the Big twelve gets no

1508
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 40: respect so far. And that's just the way it is

1509
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 40: right now. Bengals defense wash mellow soft man play Collin

1510
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 40: Zach's decision.

1511
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: We got a problem. We got to talk about your job,

1512
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: real top and etc. Cincinnati, Can you do us a

1513
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 2: favor for the city tonight? Win on beat the crew

1514
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: just beat that team up. There can't stand Neill.

1515
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 20: Win, baby win, Hey Austin, Hey Tony Brandon from Indy.

1516
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 2: What a sad day yesterday.

1517
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 20: I really thought they would beat the Jets, but that

1518
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 20: wasn't meant to be in the cards.

1519
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 2: I guess.

1520
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 20: I don't think it looks like it's going to be

1521
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 20: a bad season, but I know it's not too late.

1522
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 20: But even if we would have had Joe Burrow, I

1523
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 20: think we would have lost that game because of the

1524
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:02,919
Speaker 20: defense was so lousy.

1525
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 2: So hopefully you guys are doing well. God blessed. Thank

1526
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 2: you for that back again for double up real quick.

1527
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 40: Now I'm inside the building because I just had thought

1528
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 40: about this. Oh why do backup quarterbacks, struggling quarterbacks, journeyman

1529
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 40: quarterbacks do good against the Bagels. It's been that way historically, yes,

1530
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 40: oh and nine after a bye. You just can't write

1531
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 40: this script like we are the true definition of the

1532
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 40: Bungles when it comes to this, we make every quarterback

1533
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 40: look good.

1534
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: Can somebody explain that to me? My team cursed, bad players,

1535
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 2: bad defense.

1536
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 41: Hi, guys, it's big. No jokes or nicknames on this call.

1537
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 41: The thing that I'm perplexed about is why didn't they

1538
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 41: call a time out at fourth and nine to talk

1539
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 41: it over?

1540
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: Fair?

1541
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 15: Your season is.

1542
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 2: In the balance, that's fair too.

1543
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 41: Why not give your team a chance to rest a second,

1544
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 41: make sure you got the right personnel in and get

1545
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 41: the input from pitcher and the quarterback coach like they

1546
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 41: talk about. I was screaming at the TV.

1547
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had him left. It's a that's good.

1548
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,799
Speaker 42: It's a great point, Tony Austin Baugh and easy Austin.

1549
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,919
Speaker 42: At least we still got the buck, guys man. Yesterday

1550
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 42: was such a disgrace. Well, I don't even know where

1551
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 42: to start. I chalked it up as a w but

1552
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 42: then that happened. What a gut punch. And you know,

1553
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 42: Al Golden stinks like hot garbage. I knew he was

1554
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 42: trash when he was.

1555
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 29: A notre dame.

1556
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 42: Yose vosh, what's he doing out there? All he does

1557
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 42: is get no separation and drop passes. I don't understand it.

1558
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 42: There's got to be somebody better.

1559
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:41,919
Speaker 40: Mitchell Tinsley.

1560
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we still starts over Jermaine Burton. Yeah. I thought

1561
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 2: we would see a lot more. Mitchell Tinsley. Hella's real

1562
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 2: playoff matchup on deck.

1563
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 10: Everybody get out of work a little bit early, get

1564
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 10: down to Washington Park about quarter to six, join us

1565
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 10: on the march into the state. I'm sure we've got

1566
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 10: some less than family friendly chance queued up for our

1567
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 10: visiting friends from up north.

1568
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: Let's go Orange and Blue, go get in, come back

1569
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 2: with it?

1570
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 22: Man, What up, guys, I'm from Saint Louis, driving home

1571
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 22: in the rain in the middle of India, and after

1572
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 22: yes yesterday, it is the bacle just has me contemplating

1573
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 22: a lot of things. But the thing I keep going

1574
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 22: back to is the saddest of all is that I

1575
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 22: feel like, even if we had a healthy Joe Burrow yesterday,

1576
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 22: we still lose that game because the defense is so bad.

1577
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 22: And that's just a repeat of everything we've watched over

1578
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 22: the last few seasons.

1579
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: Yep, just has need to press voice, agreed Tony Beastick.

1580
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 2: It's the mail man. I was down there yesterday.

1581
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 37: And what is sad and yet awful is that if

1582
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 37: Joe Burrow was playing yesterday, they wouldn't have won that

1583
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 37: game either. It's it's sad that they can't even I mean,

1584
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 37: they have so many holes on defense and still don't

1585
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 37: have a good offensive line. I don't think they're ever

1586
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 37: going to be top notch. You guys have another best

1587
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 37: day average.

1588
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm a line off alone shooting too good.

1589
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 13: Afternoon, gentlemen. This is Rob from Michigan. Well, this is

1590
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 13: on Duke Tobin. The Bengals had the number one line

1591
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 13: backer and Jihad Campbell on the board and.

1592
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 2: They took Stewart.

1593
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 26: Yep.

1594
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 13: Go check out Jihad Campbell's tackling statistics.

1595
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: Yep, guy. We talked about a lot leading up to

1596
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 2: the draft. Sure did I pronounce his name wrong a

1597
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 2: ton of times?

1598
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,839
Speaker 43: Austin go way too much to say about the Bengals,

1599
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 43: and none of it's good. So I'll leave that big

1600
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 43: win for the Bearcats. We'll see this weekend against the Utes.

1601
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 43: How high their ceiling is a good litmus test for them,

1602
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 43: like what I see. And Tony, great job doing the

1603
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 43: color on the radio. You and Dan make a great team,

1604
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 43: and I'm really please to see how well it's going for.

1605
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: You, Austin. Jihad Campbell has an eighty two point five pff. Great,

1606
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. And he's played four hundred and forty

1607
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 2: snaps for the Eagles.

1608
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 44: Gosh, man, Yeah, they share Tony, good friend, brother and Tony,

1609
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 44: I praise the Lord when you got back on the radio,

1610
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 44: and I just wanted to say welcome back.

1611
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 2: Also, I wanted to.

1612
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 45: Say I think they should part ways with Zach Taylor

1613
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 45: and whoever put that defense together, they need to go,

1614
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 45: not the defensive coordinator. I don't believe he's got something

1615
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 45: to do with it, but I think the person who

1616
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 45: put the.

1617
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: Well said he ran out of time. Just sometimes you

1618
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 2: gotta leave it at that. Yeah, that was our last one.

1619
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 2: We're out of time as well. We'll put a bowl

1620
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 2: one hour two next. Austin has our number three, Tony

1621
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: and Mo Football Show Twin Peaks in Florence three to seven.

1622
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 2: All of that's still ahead right here on the Home

1623
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station at O'Connor,

1624
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 2: Chani and Levy.

1625
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 4: This is Football in the Natti, brought to you by

1626
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 4: Bud Light on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

1627
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Bengals.

1628
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 2: Welcome back. It is Football in the Natti since he

1629
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 2: three to sixty the Monday midday quarterback. Just a minute

1630
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: here before we get to our number three. Did you

1631
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 2: know Austin that Matt Lafleur and Robert Sala were once

1632
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: on the same staff as Brian Kelly.

1633
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 3: Did know that, and there's a very famous story out

1634
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 3: there about the way that Brian Kelly treated those twohim.

1635
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, for those that don't know, listen to this. On

1636
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 2: a winter night in Mount Pleasant, Michigan, Matt laflor and

1637
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 2: Robert Sala thought they were being invited to a party

1638
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 2: at the home of their boss, Central Michigan head football coach,

1639
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly. Turns out they weren't on the guest list.

1640
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 2: They were on the workers list. Correct Sala said. We

1641
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: shoveled snow and parked all the cars, and then at

1642
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 2: the end of the night we went and got the

1643
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 2: cars again. Then we went back to the tiny apartment

1644
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: they shared as graduate assistants, stood around the kitchen table

1645
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 2: without any chairs and decided that if we're in that position,

1646
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 2: we're never going to treat people the way they.

1647
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:25,640
Speaker 3: Got treated a surprise, surprise. I think this came to

1648
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 3: light in that hiring cycle. I think the floor and

1649
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 3: Sala were both hired the same year that I might

1650
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 3: be wrong on that, but that's when it all came

1651
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 3: to light, basically, and just now continuing to you know,

1652
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 3: every time something bad happens to Brian Kelly that gets

1653
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 3: brought up, which is great.

1654
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 2: That was a story I had not seen up to

1655
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: this point.

1656
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 3: Against He doesn't help himself and I don't have the

1657
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 3: personal vendetta against him that someone like you might have,

1658
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 3: But I can't stand him. I'm fired up because I

1659
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 3: get to like LSU again. I love their fans, I

1660
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 3: love their vibe. I love everything about Baton Ruge. Like

1661
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 3: that's an easy sec school for me to root for.

1662
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 3: They go get they go get Coach O back in

1663
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 3: the building. Coach O ain't coming back, mancus. I think

1664
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 3: he's with the Is he with the Hurricanes right now?

1665
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 3: The Miami Hurricanes. I'm pretty sure he's like a does

1666
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 3: works down there for them?

1667
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 2: Obviously, Florida is open, Penn State is open, Oklahoma State

1668
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,839
Speaker 2: is open. Does LSU become now the top job opening

1669
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 2: in college football? I would think so. Yeah, Yeah, it

1670
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 2: feels like it.

1671
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 39: Uh.

1672
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 2: By the way, mentioned the UC spread at seven and

1673
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: a half. They are underdogs on the road at Utah.

1674
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 2: As far as the Bears coming in Bengals home dogs,

1675
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 2: not a surprise plus two and a half not open

1676
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 2: at one and a half m and I would imagine

1677
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 2: as more and more of that film comes out, that's

1678
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 2: a film study, and we'll probably find out that Trey

1679
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 2: hen News is not gonna play. Yeah, and then it'll

1680
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 2: be by the end you want to make their predictions. Sure,

1681
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: I'll write this down if you want. By the end

1682
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 2: of the week, Chicago is favored by how many? On

1683
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, Chicago is favored by how many? Four and

1684
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 2: a half? Four and a half. All right, I'm gonna

1685
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 2: say six and a half? Okay, are we sure Flacco

1686
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: is gonna be good? No, We're not sure, right, So

1687
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 2: there's nothing to be sure of at all. Sixteen and

1688
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 2: a half at some point could be what do you

1689
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 2: got coming up? In the third hour? All roads lead

1690
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 2: back to Zach Taylor. That's powerful. That comes up next. Yeah.

1691
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 2: On the Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, You've.

1692
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:51,160
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1704
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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello and welcome in our number three of Tony

1705
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 3: Pikes Monday midday quarterback here on ESPN fifteen thirty. But

1706
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm not Tony Pike. I'm Austin Elmore with you for

1707
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 3: this final hour as Tony gets set to head down

1708
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 3: to Twin Peaks in Florence for Tony Pikes, Tony and

1709
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 3: Moe Football Show coming up this afternoon from three to six.

1710
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, an hour from right now,

1711
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor will meet with the media for his normal

1712
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 3: Monday press conference every Monday right around three o'clock. You

1713
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 3: hear from the Bengals head coach every Monday right around

1714
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 3: three o'clock. As we are contractually obligated, we air Zach

1715
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 3: Taylor's Monday press conference.

1716
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,520
Speaker 2: And I've been thinking.

1717
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 3: A lot about Zach, about what he said yesterday after

1718
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 3: that loss to the Jets, about where this team was

1719
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, where it was just a couple of

1720
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 3: years ago in twenty twenty three, and where they are now.

1721
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering deeply about the organization. I'm wondering about

1722
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:57,879
Speaker 3: its growth, I'm wondering about its development, and I'm wondering

1723
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 3: about its direction. When Zach first got here, the team

1724
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 3: had basically been stripped down to the studs. There were

1725
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 3: a bunch a bunch of bad players on that twenty

1726
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 3: nineteen team, and it was really a year following Marvin

1727
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 3: Lewis to see what did you have and what did

1728
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 3: you not have going into a new era with Zach

1729
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 3: Taylor as the head coach. And if you remember, things

1730
01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 3: got started really late going into that twenty nineteen season,

1731
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 3: Zach was coaching in the Super Bowl with the Rams.

1732
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 3: The day after the Super Bowl is announced as the

1733
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: head coach of the Bengals. It takes them like a

1734
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 3: month into March to figure out who all the coaches

1735
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 3: on their coaching staff are going to be and meanwhile,

1736
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 3: you've got the scouting combine and all this other nonsense.

1737
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 3: And the Bengals didn't really do much in free agency,

1738
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 3: which was typical. But over the course of the next

1739
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 3: several months, including getting into the season, the Bengals came

1740
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 3: up with a plan. Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin came

1741
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 3: up with a plan onto as to how they wanted

1742
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 3: to build the football team. And it became a lot

1743
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 3: easier when the plan after going two and fourteen included

1744
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 3: get Joe Burrow to be the starting quarterback. And so

1745
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 3: they started this process in which they would draft players

1746
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 3: from big schools that had been leaders, that had played

1747
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 3: in big, big games, that were high character guys that

1748
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 3: were going to come in and establish a culture in

1749
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 3: the locker room. And then they were going to supplement

1750
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 3: that with savvy veterans who were looking for a second chance,

1751
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 3: who maybe had been given up on, who maybe had

1752
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 3: fell through the cracks, and they were going to supplement

1753
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 3: the roster that way, and they were going to use

1754
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 3: that to build a team. And to their credit, the

1755
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,599
Speaker 3: Bengals decided, we're going to be more aggressive in free

1756
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 3: agency and we're going to stick to this plan of

1757
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:57,759
Speaker 3: how we draft. And they did that, and the twenty

1758
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 3: twenty team certainly was not great, and Burrow getting hurt

1759
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 3: did not help it, but you could see the foundation

1760
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 3: that had been built in those final games of the year,

1761
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 3: often talking about that Monday Night win over the Pittsburgh

1762
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 3: Steelers that, Okay, this was the foundation of the team.

1763
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 3: I can see the vision. And I remember Christmas Day

1764
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty, Joe Burrow posted a video of him

1765
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 3: walking for the first time after that devastating knee injury,

1766
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: and he said, it's a great day to be a

1767
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,680
Speaker 3: Bengals fan. This was after the Monday Night game and

1768
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 3: all this other stuff, and so I'm thinking, all right,

1769
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens here.

1770
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 2: Then they announced the.

1771
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 3: New uniforms and the Ring of Honor and all this

1772
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 3: other stuff, and it's like, ah, Lee, the Bengals are

1773
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 3: finally coming into the twenty first century. Here they're doing

1774
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 3: what they're supposed to be doing. And then they go

1775
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl again built off this same plan

1776
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 3: of how they supplement the roster with free agents, how

1777
01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 3: they draft and developed these guys, and again you publish

1778
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 3: a culture that leads to success on and off the field,

1779
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 3: and for the most part, that was still in place

1780
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 3: in the twenty two season, and they found themselves right

1781
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 3: back in the AFC Championship game and they had a chance,

1782
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 3: with two minutes left and the ball in their own

1783
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 3: territory to go and win that AFC Championship game and

1784
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 3: go back to the Super Bowl. They didn't score, they

1785
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:29,719
Speaker 3: didn't get any help from Rod and Torbert and the refs,

1786
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 3: they didn't execute on the punt, pushed Patrick Mahomes late,

1787
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 3: and they lost that AFC Championship game in Kansas City.

1788
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 3: And from that point forward, the Bengals have never really

1789
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:51,759
Speaker 3: recovered from Joseph Osai pushing Patrick Mahomes out of bounds.

1790
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 3: The Bengals have never really recovered that foundation, that culture.

1791
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 3: It's all been put to the test and repeatedly they've failed. Hell,

1792
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:07,600
Speaker 3: even the twenty three season, they were in the conversation,

1793
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 3: they had the lead in Baltimore on a Thursday night,

1794
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow was doing Joe Burrow things, and the wrist

1795
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 3: injury happens, and the season it's still still was alive,

1796
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 3: and we saw the way Jake Browning played and I

1797
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 3: left the twenty three season looking around like, gosh, Zach

1798
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 3: really has built this into a thing where like nothing

1799
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 3: can phase them even if it goes wrong. They've got

1800
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 3: the right guys, they've got the right people, they're competitive. Yeah,

1801
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 3: there are issues, but there's been a commitment from the

1802
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 3: organization to be able to execute this plan and make

1803
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 3: it work.

1804
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 2: And I believed in that. It made a lot of

1805
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 2: sense to me.

1806
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 3: The Bengals had earned the benefit of the doubt from me,

1807
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of fans based off the

1808
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,720
Speaker 3: way that they had played in twenty one, in twenty two,

1809
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 3: and especially down the stretch in twenty three without Joe Burrow.

1810
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 3: But then for some reason, the plan shifted. The plan changed.

1811
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 3: It was less about taking proven players from big programs

1812
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 3: and leadership guys and more about taking on projects, guys

1813
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,320
Speaker 3: that you wanted to develop instead of guys that could

1814
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 3: come here and help you right away. And I don't

1815
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:34,799
Speaker 3: understand why that changed. Think of draft picks like Jackson Carmen,

1816
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 3: which that was a twenty one draft pick, but still

1817
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:43,440
Speaker 3: that was the first one where it's like Jackson Carmen, huh,

1818
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 3: Zach Carter in the twenty two draft Jordan Battle needed

1819
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:52,760
Speaker 3: development in the twenty three draft. Andre Yoshivash was one

1820
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 3: of those picks in the twenty three draft. That twenty

1821
01:40:56,240 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 3: four draft, Amarius Mims, he was screaming to be given

1822
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:06,759
Speaker 3: an opportunity, but he needed to be developed. Jermaine Burton

1823
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 3: complete headcase, McKinley Jackson useless in college, Eric All coming

1824
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:15,920
Speaker 3: off of a knee injury. Josh Newton had fallen off

1825
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 3: the draft boards. He was gonna be a first round

1826
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 3: pick in twenty twenty three and had a terrible twenty

1827
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 3: four season, falls all the way to the Bengals in

1828
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 3: the fifth round.

1829
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, They're like, let's get some guys.

1830
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 3: We can turn it from potential into something instead of

1831
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,719
Speaker 3: getting ready made dudes ready to produce in the National

1832
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 3: Football League. Now, obviously part of that has to do

1833
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 3: with your draft position. But I look at that shift

1834
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 3: in the plan and I can't help but think that

1835
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:49,879
Speaker 3: all roads lead back to Zach Taylor. Now, I want

1836
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:53,919
Speaker 3: to blame Duke Tobin, and I think Duke Tobin deserves

1837
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 3: a lot of blame, and he certainly is not without

1838
01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 3: blaming this entire thing. But here's the thing with Duke

1839
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 3: Duke is basically a part of the family. He's basically

1840
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 3: a part of ownership. He's been doing this job since

1841
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. He has been here forever. He's not

1842
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 3: going anywhere. So I have to operate under the assumption

1843
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 3: that Duke Tobin will be in place, and I think

1844
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 3: Duke in recent years has been given more power. Could

1845
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 3: be wrong on this, but it's my belief that Mike

1846
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 3: Brown has had less to do with the day to

1847
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 3: day football decisions, still is heavily involved, but has given

1848
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,719
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin a little bit more power. Has been given

1849
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 3: Duke Tobin a little bit more leash, has given Zach

1850
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 3: Taylor a little bit more power and a little bit

1851
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 3: more leash. They've added people to the scouting department, They've

1852
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,760
Speaker 3: added people to the analytics department, They've added people to

1853
01:42:55,800 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 3: the coaching staff. There has been a more widespread net

1854
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 3: cast over football operations and development and drafting and all

1855
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 3: of that, and so at the top you kind of

1856
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 3: have this three headed monster of Mike Brown and Duke

1857
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:16,839
Speaker 3: Tobin and Zach Taylor, and Tobin being the quote unquote

1858
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 3: de facto GM, Mike Brown the owner, the president, and

1859
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 3: sort of the GM and Zach Taylor, the head coach,

1860
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:29,120
Speaker 3: who's also kind of like a scout and a player

1861
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 3: personnel guy as well. See, that's what's unique about Cincinnati,

1862
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 3: that's about That's what's unique about the way that this

1863
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 3: organization is built is that they don't have a scouting

1864
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:46,679
Speaker 3: department with thirty five people on it spread across the country. Yes,

1865
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 3: it's a small scouting department, but the Bengals have one

1866
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 3: of the largest coaching staffs in the NFL, and that

1867
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 3: coaching staff is asked to do a lot in terms

1868
01:43:57,439 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 3: of scouting. Those guys are essential an extension of the

1869
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 3: Bengals scouting department. They have to be good scouts. They

1870
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 3: have to be able to identify and develop talent. That

1871
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 3: is a prerequisitt to being a Bengals coach, assistant coach,

1872
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:21,080
Speaker 3: or head coach. You have to be able to identify talent,

1873
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 3: to develop talent, and essentially be a player personnel guy

1874
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 3: as much as a head coach. There is a unique

1875
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 3: involvement from the Bengals head coach in that aspect of

1876
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 3: things that is not necessarily common across the National Football League,

1877
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 3: and this, to me is one of the big reasons

1878
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 3: why I do put most of the blame on Zach Taylor. Now,

1879
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 3: I have defended him a lot, and I stand by

1880
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 3: the many things that I have said in my defense

1881
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 3: of Zach Taylor. Believe them at the time, but I

1882
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 3: don't believe the direction and the plan that has been

1883
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 3: established from twenty twenty three until now, because it has

1884
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 3: failed and has set this organization back years. For some reason,

1885
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 3: they deviated from what got them here and now are

1886
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 3: taking on all these projects, have scapegoated a defensive coordinator,

1887
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:31,559
Speaker 3: have gone through multiple offensive line coaches, have dealt with

1888
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 3: countless off the field issues because of contract situations, which

1889
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 3: isn't entirely Zach's fault, but again, it goes into the

1890
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 3: type of person and motivator and leader and coach you

1891
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 3: have to be to run this organization that I don't

1892
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 3: know if Zach's cut out for that anymore. It's often

1893
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 3: said that to be the head coach of the Bengals,

1894
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 3: you need to be able to coach with one arm

1895
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 3: tied behind your back, And that's true. Do you know why,

1896
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 3: Because there's so much other craft that you have to

1897
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 3: deal with. You have to deal with a GM who's

1898
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 3: not really the GM, who takes into account everything you

1899
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 3: say and kind of decides who they pick and who

1900
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 3: they don't pick. But also the president and owner of

1901
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 3: the team has a big sway and all of that,

1902
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 3: and then you have a big play and all that,

1903
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 3: and then the coaches that you hire have to help

1904
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 3: decide all that as well. And on top of it,

1905
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 3: you have to deal with an organization who, because of

1906
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 3: the way they do business, specifically talking about Mike and

1907
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 3: Katie here, makes it harder to deal with the players

1908
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,520
Speaker 3: on a day to day basis because of the distractions

1909
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 3: that come with their contract issues. This is one of

1910
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 3: the unique things about being the Bengals head coach that

1911
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 3: you have to be able to deal with. Now, the

1912
01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 3: Bengals have made progress when it comes to that, but

1913
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 3: they still choose the hard way over the easy way often.

1914
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 3: Jamar and t are a perfect example of that. From

1915
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 3: this past offseason. Jesse Bates and the way that they

1916
01:46:58,439 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 3: went about that and what has been that in motion

1917
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 3: following him is a perfect example of that. It makes

1918
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 3: your job harder when the organization has a strict set

1919
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 3: of rules that they nearly never deviate from. It makes

1920
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,040
Speaker 3: you have to be a better coach when it comes

1921
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 3: to developing players. It makes you have to be a

1922
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 3: better coach when it comes to being a scout and

1923
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 3: drafting and choosing the right players to develop, because you're

1924
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,879
Speaker 3: not always going to keep your best players. The Bengals

1925
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 3: have done this countless times over the years, and so

1926
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,759
Speaker 3: you do have to coach with one arm tied behind

1927
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 3: your back. Not only do you have to get the

1928
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 3: x's and o's figured out on a weekly basis, but

1929
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 3: you've also got to hire a staff that is just

1930
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 3: as much of a scout as they are a position coach.

1931
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 3: You've got to be an elite motivator, especially for young

1932
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 3: players and developmental players. You've got to be an elite

1933
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:57,439
Speaker 3: developer of talent and assess the coaches and the players

1934
01:47:57,479 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 3: in the right way. You've got to deal with the

1935
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 3: non sense that comes from those above you in the

1936
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 3: way that they choose to operate, and the media headlines

1937
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 3: and the holdouts and the nonsense that comes with that,

1938
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 3: and you have to deal with so much crap. You're

1939
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 3: a coach and a GM and a scout and a

1940
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 3: motivator and all these things, and it's not easy for

1941
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 3: anybody to do. It wasn't easy for Marvin Lewis to

1942
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 3: do it. Marvin, I think set the blueprint of how

1943
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 3: to manage that situation, helped kind of establish what those

1944
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 3: relationships and those roles are. But even Marvin to a point,

1945
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 3: couldn't get past it. And I think Zach in the

1946
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 3: plan that was established with Zach when he first came

1947
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 3: in made a lot of sense, and they did a

1948
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 3: good job executing it. And you get an elite talent

1949
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 3: and you build around him and you supplement him. They

1950
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 3: did all the right things, and then they shifted their

1951
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 3: plan in some way shape was it because they knew

1952
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 3: that financially they would have to change with Burrows contract

1953
01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 3: and Higgins and Chase's contract and maybe even Hendrickson. Sure

1954
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 3: maybe maybe to an extent, that was part of it.

1955
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 3: But you have a tried and true way of how

1956
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 3: you've gotten good players in this system and you've turned

1957
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 3: them into good pros, and you've supplemented the roster through

1958
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:29,000
Speaker 3: free agency, and all of a sudden you stop doing that,

1959
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 3: and repeatedly when you do get really good players, it's

1960
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:37,439
Speaker 3: like pulling teeth to keep them here. And as a

1961
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 3: head coach, you've got to deal with this. And as

1962
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 3: much as I like Zach, and I think very highly

1963
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 3: of Zach. It requires near perfection from the head coach

1964
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:52,639
Speaker 3: to be able to do this. I'm not kidding. Near

1965
01:49:52,760 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 3: perfection is what's necessary from the head coach. Much like

1966
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 3: when your defense is it's so bad, you need to

1967
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 3: be perfect on offense, in the same way you need

1968
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 3: to be perfect as a head coach. I don't know

1969
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 3: that Zach can be that person, as much as I

1970
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:17,400
Speaker 3: hate to admit, and I don't know if that person

1971
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 3: is out there and would be willing to come to

1972
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 3: Cincinnati because of all the things I just outlined that

1973
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 3: you have to deal with as the Bengals head coach.

1974
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:28,559
Speaker 3: Some of the stuff we know about, some of the

1975
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 3: stuff we don't. All the stuff that you have to

1976
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 3: deal with. Why would somebody want to come to Cincinnati?

1977
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 3: Why would they want to be the head coach? And

1978
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 3: it just puts you in this situation where it feels

1979
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 3: like you have to get really, really lucky, get an

1980
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,599
Speaker 3: elite quarterback, which they do, pair them with an elite

1981
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:56,640
Speaker 3: head coach who can do all that stuff I just

1982
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 3: talked about, and maybe you'll get lucky. And I think

1983
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 3: Zach back Taylor in twenty one and in twenty two

1984
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 3: he was doing all those things, but at some point

1985
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,639
Speaker 3: it fizzled out and you haven't been able to find

1986
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 3: the fire to stoke it again. And when you couple

1987
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:20,640
Speaker 3: that with atrocious drafts and not spending as much in

1988
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 3: free agency, a philosophical change in the building of the roster,

1989
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 3: you now have set the organization back years. And while

1990
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 3: Chasing Higgins and Burrow might be under contract for the

1991
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 3: rest of the decade, that's wonderful. Five years in the

1992
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 3: NFL happens in the blink of an eye. This is

1993
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 3: year six for Joe Burrow. So you're at a point

1994
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 3: right now what I feel like is a crossroads for

1995
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:54,960
Speaker 3: the organization. It's either nip this plan in the bud

1996
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 3: right now and decide, all right, we've got to shift

1997
01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 3: back to something else, or what it feels like the

1998
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 3: Bengals are doing, doubling down on it and trying to

1999
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 3: see if they can get anything to stick from these

2000
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 3: young players.

2001
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I go back to these drafts.

2002
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:17,799
Speaker 3: Look at the twenty one draft, for example, Jackson Carmen

2003
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:23,200
Speaker 3: in the second round, complete bum, Joseph Osai in the

2004
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 3: third round, eleven and a half sacks Since twenty twenty one.

2005
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 2: I guess that's okay.

2006
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 3: Cam Sample has done mostly nothing, Tyler Shelvin, Deontay Smith.

2007
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 3: They're not in football anymore. Evan McPherson obviously a good pick.

2008
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 3: Trey Hill, Chris Evans, Why at Hubert? Not in football anymore?

2009
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 3: How about the twenty twenty two draft, Dax Hill. They

2010
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 3: drafted him cornerback, but we're gonna ask you to play safety.

2011
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 3: How'd that go? Trying to fit a square peg into

2012
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 3: a round hole because we won't pay our best player

2013
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 3: in Jesse Bates. Then Dax Hill tears and knees been injured.

2014
01:52:56,240 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 3: He's just okay, Cam Taylor Britt that was cool for

2015
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 3: a few games that he was a healthy scratch last week.

2016
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 3: Zach Carter one of the single worst players I've ever

2017
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:09,479
Speaker 3: seen play for the Bengals. Cordell Vohlsen maybe the single

2018
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 3: worst season and offensive lineman's ever had for the Bengals

2019
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 3: last year. Tyson Anderson. All he does is play special teams.

2020
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:20,880
Speaker 3: Jeff Gunter, That guy stunk. Let's go to the twenty

2021
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 3: twenty three draft. Miles Murphy still waiting on him to

2022
01:53:24,120 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 3: do something. DJ Turner excited about what he could be,

2023
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 3: but he reverted back to his old ways. Jordan Battle

2024
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 3: does not have all the abilities that we need out

2025
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,360
Speaker 3: of a safety like that, or that anybody needs out

2026
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 3: of a safety like that. Charlie Jones has been hurt.

2027
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 2: Guess what.

2028
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 3: He was hurt in college a lot too. He had

2029
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,799
Speaker 3: a couple of kick returns though that was cool. Chase

2030
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 3: Brown fine, jury still out. Andre Yoshivash can't get separation,

2031
01:53:53,120 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 3: but he's really cool guy Backstory's cool, cool family, funny

2032
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 3: hair commercials are great. Brad Robbins terrible. Dj Ivy no good.

2033
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 3: Go to last year, Amarius Mems. I think we're all

2034
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 3: excited about him, but he hasn't jumped off the screen

2035
01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 3: or the page at you.

2036
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:12,679
Speaker 2: What about Chris Jenkins.

2037
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,400
Speaker 3: I can count on one hand how many times how

2038
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 3: many plays Chris Jenkins has made in the last two years.

2039
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton just waiting for his name to come out

2040
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:24,639
Speaker 3: in the NBA gambling scandal. That guy is useless. McKinley

2041
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:31,719
Speaker 3: Jackson third round pick, can't play, doesn't play. Eric All's

2042
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 3: hurt again. They drafted him with a torn acl Josh Newton,

2043
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:36,960
Speaker 3: as I mentioned, fell off the face of the earth

2044
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 3: going into the twenty four draft. He played five snaps yesterday.

2045
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 3: Tanner McLaughlan don't think he's with the team anymore. Cedric

2046
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:47,200
Speaker 3: Johnson just got reinstated. He's done very little, one sack

2047
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 3: in his career. Dejon Anthony's still hurt. Matt Lee can't

2048
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 3: get on the field. You go back to this year.

2049
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart didn't produce it all in college, has one

2050
01:54:56,440 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 3: tackle this season, and he's been hurt. Demetrius Night felt

2051
01:55:00,520 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 3: like they could have got him in the fifth. They

2052
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 3: chose him in the second. Guy cannot play under control,

2053
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 3: cannot tackle. Dylan Fairchild, Okay, fine, maybe too early to tell.

2054
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 3: Barrett Carter plays middle linebacker like he's Stevie Wonder, has

2055
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 3: no idea what direction the ball's going. Eyes often in

2056
01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 3: the wrong direction. Barrett Carter, who I just said? Jalen Rivers, Okay,

2057
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:25,480
Speaker 3: maybe the jury is still out on him, but there's

2058
01:55:25,480 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 3: been some bad reps. TODs Brooks hasn't gotten a chance

2059
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:35,880
Speaker 3: yet this year. I mean, even a decent free agent class.

2060
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 3: I don't know that it fixes all this. And because

2061
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 3: you jump through the hoops of screwing up the Chase

2062
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 3: negotiation and the Higgins negotiation and the Hendrickson negotiation. For

2063
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 3: some reason, they feel like they can't conduct any other

2064
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 3: business until those things are finished up. And the big

2065
01:55:54,800 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 3: offseason acquisitions were Lucas Patrick, a journeyman guard. On defense,

2066
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 3: it was TJ. Slayton, a journeyman nos tackle, and Orrin Burks,

2067
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 3: who is a backup linebacker.

2068
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,320
Speaker 2: On what planet? Does that make any sense?

2069
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 3: And because of the way that this organization is structured,

2070
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:23,880
Speaker 3: there's a ton of blame on Zach Taylor for that

2071
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 3: because he has a significant voice in player acquisition, he

2072
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 3: has a significant voice in the drafting, he has a

2073
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 3: significant voice in the scouting, he has a significant voice

2074
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 3: in the culture of the locker room. Continuing to talk

2075
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,960
Speaker 3: to people across the league and around this football team

2076
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 3: and reading what I've read today and keep coming back

2077
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 3: to there's no culture on the defensive side of the football. Well,

2078
01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 3: escapegoaded the defensive coordinator that was one of the best

2079
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 3: in team history and didn't really give him good enough players.

2080
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:06,840
Speaker 3: Maybe we all owe loui Ana Rumo an apology because

2081
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 3: Louisa Rumo kept trying to play the old guys and

2082
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 3: everybody's like, you gotta play the young guys. Well, maybe

2083
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 3: Louis Rumo knew the young guys were no good, So

2084
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:16,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep trying to squeeze the juice out of

2085
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:19,839
Speaker 3: the old guys while I can. And let's not mistake

2086
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 3: I mean, the defense last year was atrocious. This defense

2087
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 3: is somehow worse. So, yeah, blame lou and a Rumo

2088
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:31,839
Speaker 3: if you want to. They blame the safeties the year before.

2089
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 3: Who do you start to blame?

2090
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:37,160
Speaker 2: Now? At some point you got to start looking inward,

2091
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:37,600
Speaker 2: don't you.

2092
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 3: And then when you have chances to win with the

2093
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 3: game on the line, in those biggest moments, Zach Taylor

2094
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:55,840
Speaker 3: makes some boneheaded decisions. The three passes on the second

2095
01:57:55,840 --> 01:58:00,800
Speaker 3: to last drive, one of them was an RPO and

2096
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco decides to throw it, and it was the

2097
01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 3: right decision, But in my opinion, yes, it's a high

2098
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 3: percentage play and jamar Cha should not have dropped it.

2099
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 3: But you had just gashed them on the ground the

2100
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 3: previous drive, samaj p RN looked like Corey Dillon. Then

2101
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 3: we're gonna throw it here, and then we're gonna throw

2102
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 3: it again, and then we're gonna get sacked and we're

2103
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 3: gonna run a minute off the clock. When our defense

2104
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 3: can't stop a sentence with a period. That was a

2105
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:40,360
Speaker 3: brain dead moment from Zach Taylor, absolutely clueless, and then

2106
01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 3: on the final possession to handle it the way he

2107
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 3: handled it. We've talked about it extensively, no excuse for.

2108
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 3: And so when you can't hit on your draft picks,

2109
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 3: and when you cycle through position coaches and coordinators, and

2110
01:58:56,360 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 3: when you don't spend as much money as you can

2111
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 3: to build your team and build your defense, and when

2112
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:06,520
Speaker 3: you don't have depth, and when there's no development, it

2113
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:11,960
Speaker 3: requires damn near perfection every single snap of every single game.

2114
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 3: Perfection in the National Football League is unattainable. It's not

2115
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 3: going to happen. And I have a hard time understanding

2116
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:31,080
Speaker 3: that a year ago, this organization watched this team play

2117
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 3: this same game over and over and over and over again,

2118
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 3: and Duke Tobin got up there and said, I'm not

2119
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:42,440
Speaker 3: gonna pay for the same team.

2120
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 2: He lied to our face.

2121
01:59:45,960 --> 01:59:48,440
Speaker 3: He went out and paid for the same team, and

2122
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:55,520
Speaker 3: he's getting the same results. I know the people in

2123
01:59:55,560 --> 02:00:00,400
Speaker 3: that organization want to win, and eventually you've got look

2124
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:04,839
Speaker 3: around at yourselves and say, you know what, this isn't working.

2125
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:12,640
Speaker 3: We've got to be willing to do something else. I

2126
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,440
Speaker 3: don't think Zach Taylor is a good motivator. I don't

2127
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 3: think he instills toughness. I don't think that he is

2128
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 3: a great play caller. I think sometimes the moments feel

2129
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 3: too big for him. I think he's a good man.

2130
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:30,120
Speaker 3: I think he's a good person. I think he's well

2131
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 3: liked by the players, and I do think he deserves

2132
02:00:33,320 --> 02:00:35,720
Speaker 3: a lot of credit for the relationships that he has built.

2133
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:39,360
Speaker 3: But I don't think that Zach Taylor as a head

2134
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:43,560
Speaker 3: coach of the Bengals and all that comes with it,

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Speaker 3: is a viable option anymore. I said it to Tony earlier.

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Speaker 3: I don't get mad at games anymore. I've kind of

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Speaker 3: grown out of that phase of being a fan. But

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Speaker 3: I can tell you this, I was steaming mad yesterday

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Speaker 3: walking out of that stadium, and most of it was

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Speaker 3: directed at Zach Taylor. I booed, I bued like I've

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Speaker 3: never booed before at a Bengals game, because you just

2142
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Speaker 3: lost that game to that team in that moment.

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Speaker 2: Tony's right, You've seen it on social media. They're right.

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Speaker 3: It is the single worst loss of the Zach Taylor

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Speaker 3: era in a moment where there actually is or would

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Speaker 3: have been a path for.

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Speaker 2: It to make sense.

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Speaker 3: But even then it would have been feckless because the

2149
02:01:35,160 --> 02:01:41,839
Speaker 3: defense is atrocious and because Zach Taylor and his coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: coupled with Duke Tobin and his personnel staff, have failed

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Speaker 3: at building an adequate defense. There's no depth, there's no development,

2152
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Speaker 3: and there's no direction for this franchise.

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Speaker 2: So it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: You either decide today or at some point this week

2155
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 3: or going into the bye week next week, what the

2156
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:08,040
Speaker 3: plan is going to be moving forward, and you cut

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Speaker 3: ties with Zach Taylor, or you decide we're gonna stick

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Speaker 3: with the plan and reevaluate it at the end of

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Speaker 3: the season. But either way, there has to be a long, hard,

2160
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Speaker 3: deep look at the plan and how it can be

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Speaker 3: fixed between now and twenty thirty, because that's the window.

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02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase until twenty thirty, Higgins until twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty nine, Hendrickson's probably playing his last games as a

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Speaker 3: Bengal as we speak. You've got to come up with

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Speaker 3: a plan because this is your only hope. And if

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Speaker 3: you're the Bengals, if you're Mike Brown, if you're Katie,

2167
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:55,560
Speaker 3: if you're Troy, Elizabeth, Caroline, all of them. You gotta

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Speaker 3: really take a long, hard look and figure out are

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Speaker 3: the people who are year right now going to be

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Speaker 3: able to get us where we want to be? They

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Speaker 3: want to win, I know they do. They've often in

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Speaker 3: recent years shown a willingness to change and try new things.

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Speaker 3: Will they do that when it comes to the coaching staff,

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Speaker 3: and will they do that when it comes to the

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Speaker 3: current plan for building this roster, which has failed for

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Speaker 3: the last two years. That's what has to happen. You

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Speaker 3: have to look inward. You have to have difficult conversations.

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Speaker 3: You have to say, Okay, what we're doing isn't working.

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Speaker 3: How can we fix it? It's really quite simple. It's

2180
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Speaker 3: how can we get from where we are to where

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Speaker 3: we want to be. Is firing a head coach going

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Speaker 3: to fix all of that? Probably not, but it could

2183
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Speaker 3: be a start. This team has a long way to go.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like they're close to competing for anything

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Speaker 3: right now. And the whole idea of Joe Burrow being

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Speaker 3: you know, out of the boot and healthy and Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco and all this stuff like that's that's all really fun,

2188
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:18,560
Speaker 3: Like that's a fun idea. I love the thought of it.

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02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:23,240
Speaker 3: It's pointless with this defense. It's not possible to win

2190
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Speaker 3: in this league with this defense.

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Speaker 2: It's just not take a break. We'll come back.

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Speaker 3: It's Tony Pike's Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This pause when the Bengals and Bears battle in the jungle.

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Speaker 1: One thing I know for sure, somebody's getting maled.

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Speaker 46: Will the Orange and Black pounce on the wind or

2196
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:46,360
Speaker 46: will the team from the Windy City blow away? Our

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Speaker 46: beloved Bengals coverage begins Sunday at nine am. Stream for

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Speaker 46: free are the new and improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN

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Speaker 46: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Monday Midday Quarterback Tony Pike's Monday Midday Quarterback ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 3: thirty on Mouston Elmore. A couple of stats to share

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Speaker 3: with you. Bengals now three and five. This one NFL

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Speaker 3: on CBS. Bengals when scoring thirty eight or more points

2204
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:29,120
Speaker 3: are one in three over the last two seasons. So

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Speaker 3: they've scored thirty eight or more four times the last

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Speaker 3: two years. They're won in three in those games. In

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Speaker 3: the first fifty six seasons, the Bengals were fifty four

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Speaker 3: and four when scoring thirty eight or more points.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: How about this from Ben Baby Going back to the

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Speaker 3: start of last season, the Bengals have blown three second

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Speaker 3: half leads of ten points or more. Two have been

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Speaker 3: fourteen plus point leads. No team has blown more of

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Speaker 3: those leads during that span.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior. Over the last four games, the Bengals

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Speaker 3: defense has stepped on the field for a drive that

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Speaker 3: started in the fourth quarter in the game within two

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Speaker 3: possessions nine times. So just get a stop when you

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Speaker 3: need it the most. The Bengals in those nine drives

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Speaker 3: have given up six touchdowns, one field goal, and two punts.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely feckless is that defense. It was also reading what

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Speaker 3: was written about the Bengals today, and I was reading

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Speaker 3: from Paul and Charlie and all sorts of They did

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Speaker 3: a great job kind of lining it all up. And

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Speaker 3: Charlie wrote this on his Charlie's chalkboard, said when the

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Speaker 3: Bengals defense was bad, and twenty three the safeties were

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Speaker 3: blamed when it was bad, and twenty four the de

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Speaker 3: coordinator was blamed. The twenty twenty five Bengals defense looks

2230
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Speaker 3: even worse. Who's left to blame? Now, it's a good point.

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Speaker 3: What about the way that they chose to build this defense?

2232
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:08,720
Speaker 3: Paul Dana wrote that they needed a disruptive interior pass rusher,

2233
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Speaker 3: which they haven't had since Geno Adkins.

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Speaker 2: They added TJ.

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Speaker 3: Slayton, promised a leap from Chris Jenkins, and re signed

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Speaker 3: BJ Hill. This past week against the Jets was supposed

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Speaker 3: to be a confidence builder and an emergence and a

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Speaker 3: coming out party for those defensive linemen. A Jets offensive

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Speaker 3: line ranked dead last in the NFL and pressure percentage allowed,

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Speaker 3: pressures per game, and sacks per game. They managed zero

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Speaker 3: sason one quarterback hit and it came from Cam Taylor Britt.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. And if you think you've seen a bad

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Speaker 3: Bengals defense before, maybe not in the last twenty five years,

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Speaker 3: listen to this. This is the worst first half of

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Speaker 3: the season by Bengals defense this century, counting just the

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Speaker 3: first games of every Cincinnati team since two thousand. The

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five Bengals is dead last and total points allowed,

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Speaker 3: points allowed per drive, defensive success percentage expected points per play,

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Speaker 3: and touchdowns allowed per drive. It's amazing, isn't it? It

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Speaker 3: kind of hard to believe. Jamar Chase was not happy

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Speaker 3: when he was in the locker room after the game.

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Speaker 3: Here's the Bengals star wide receiver when he met with

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Speaker 3: the media.

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Speaker 47: You guys scored thirty eight normally, that's enough to get

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Speaker 47: it done. What's your reaction after the game today?

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Speaker 19: Then?

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Speaker 15: Put enough on a bull a second half?

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Speaker 47: What did you think of the offensive performance?

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Speaker 16: Run?

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Speaker 48: Game was minutes today? It did a lot of running

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Speaker 48: the ball. A front day good running backstay good too.

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Speaker 47: Did you sense that the Jets were a desperate team

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Speaker 47: considering their record? That they were a desperate team with

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Speaker 47: their winless record?

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Speaker 15: About a record? We gotta go out there and play.

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Speaker 15: It non't matter about a record.

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Speaker 47: How disappointed is the entire team to come up short today?

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Speaker 15: It is lost?

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Speaker 32: Bro kimre Zach said he's looking for guys to step

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Speaker 32: up as leaders in the defense. How much of that

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Speaker 32: is on you as a leader in this room to

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Speaker 32: kind of surge that charge or help the defense find leaders?

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Speaker 15: Ay, my job, I play offense, not defense.

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Speaker 32: How frustrating is it for you to see the defense

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Speaker 32: give up thirty nine points?

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Speaker 15: It's pretty frustrating. The offense don't need to capitalize the day.

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Speaker 32: Do you feel like as an offense you're doing all

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Speaker 32: you could do when you scored that many points on

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Speaker 32: a game like this?

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Speaker 15: We love stuff out there.

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Speaker 32: This offense last year at a lot of times scored

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Speaker 32: a lot of points, Jamar and lost games. You're kind

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Speaker 32: of back here again.

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Speaker 2: What needs to change in here?

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Speaker 49: I don't know what exadi the way I think the

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02:09:57,160 --> 02:10:00,720
Speaker 49: jamrman the second half covered points, fourth quarter, they just

2287
02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:03,320
Speaker 49: double double the whole time in every series pretty much.

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Speaker 6: That's why the run was open and.

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Speaker 48: It was not sure why the runs though so open.

2290
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Speaker 48: I think the up front did a good job over there.

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02:10:09,400 --> 02:10:11,000
Speaker 15: What was the view of the last series?

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02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 38: What?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

2294
02:10:13,480 --> 02:10:18,360
Speaker 23: What did they do to uh uh dictate the way it.

2295
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 15: Came out on thirty and fourth down?

2296
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Speaker 48: Uh just double double me and t left dre one

2297
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:24,240
Speaker 48: on one and you know saying blisters.

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Speaker 32: When you lose a game like this, Jamal and you're

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Speaker 32: up thirty eight to twenty four, is it stunning for

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Speaker 32: you as a player? What's your reaction?

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Speaker 15: The next question about the next question.

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Speaker 10: Well, what what why did you about?

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Speaker 14: After did you give the first play what's.

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Speaker 15: What's the favorite ub dubos last possession?

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Speaker 2: What beensive leader?

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Speaker 15: Defensive players about?

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Speaker 50: Felt like you guys picked up the first down, Chase

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02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 50: Brown runs it and on that last possession. Oh, if

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02:10:57,360 --> 02:10:58,800
Speaker 50: you guys had some more run when you had just

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Speaker 50: kind of halted, you take us to the final sea

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02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:14,200
Speaker 50: quints of the final if you play.

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Speaker 48: I mean we just didn't execute, you know, didn't execute,

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02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:15,320
Speaker 48: didn't get a pick up the dome.

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Speaker 29: J Marcus so.

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Speaker 15: Frustrating that weekend pick out.

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Speaker 17: It seems like you guys hop score.

2317
02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 2: Over thirty five points on offense to win games. Do

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Speaker 2: you think like that's a sustainable Oh?

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Speaker 48: I don't think that's how that works. I just think

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Speaker 48: it's NFL. Everybody's good, everybody's know how to play football.

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Speaker 48: Everybody watch his film. Gotta adjust.

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Speaker 15: That just said.

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Speaker 2: One of the message just tea a lot of more'em

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Speaker 2: is that somebody needs to step up.

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Speaker 5: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 48: I play offense. I'm not what about what the defense

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Speaker 48: gotta do. I'm just making sure I'm just chaining 'em

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Speaker 48: on every.

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Speaker 41: Play, getting a deep Well probably still see that's just

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Speaker 41: that somebody.

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Speaker 15: I don't know that. No comment for that.

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02:11:53,360 --> 02:11:55,400
Speaker 2: Mark. You just still think there is a lot.

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Speaker 46: Of hope for this team.

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Speaker 48: Uh huh, and we're still good, but we just gotta

2335
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Speaker 48: find a way to not put ourselves in positions like

2336
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Speaker 48: this and be pissed off.

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Speaker 51: Is this a place that you've been after a loss

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Speaker 51: and quite some time?

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Speaker 15: I don't know. I don't like losing, so it don't

2340
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Speaker 15: matter we lost.

2341
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Speaker 10: Were you looking through the ball in that last drive?

2342
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Speaker 22: Did you feel like you had an opportunity to make

2343
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:17,960
Speaker 22: a play over there?

2344
02:12:18,080 --> 02:12:19,760
Speaker 15: We called to play for me, but it wasn't.

2345
02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:22,720
Speaker 48: I was double double and the leverages were going, so

2346
02:12:22,760 --> 02:12:23,800
Speaker 48: I couldn't really do much.

2347
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:26,040
Speaker 42: Is it a frustrating that year over year?

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Speaker 51: It last year was the same issue with infense, just

2349
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 51: not being able to put it up to you all

2350
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Speaker 51: as an offensive lies it especially frustrating that it's still

2351
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:34,280
Speaker 51: kind of a problem.

2352
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:42,840
Speaker 15: This deepening of this season. I'm a frustrated we lost

2353
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:47,480
Speaker 15: tonight than anything. How do you guys think out of it?

2354
02:12:49,320 --> 02:12:52,240
Speaker 48: Mum, put our head back down, keep working the best

2355
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:54,000
Speaker 48: thing we could do.

2356
02:12:54,160 --> 02:12:55,280
Speaker 14: Yeah, I know everything.

2357
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 52: Loss is frustrating, hard to flush and all of those things.

2358
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 52: But from the years, give up the leads that gave

2359
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:03,760
Speaker 52: up today in the fourth quarter when it seemed like

2360
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:05,360
Speaker 52: it was a again, you guys are gonna win by

2361
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:09,680
Speaker 52: double digits? Is that different at all? Is it harder

2362
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:11,160
Speaker 52: or flush? Is it harder to get past or.

2363
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:12,120
Speaker 24: Is it always.

2364
02:13:18,160 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 15: In a moment? It's a lot going on, but it's

2365
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:22,400
Speaker 15: the end of the moment thing.

2366
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:25,240
Speaker 48: It's not really worried about really worry about what just

2367
02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:26,280
Speaker 48: happened and how that happened.

2368
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 51: So is it hard to wrap your mind around or

2369
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:31,680
Speaker 51: this loss when they would have a win coming into it,

2370
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:33,280
Speaker 51: y'all had some good momentum. How hard is it to

2371
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:34,960
Speaker 51: kind of wrap your mind around kind of how this

2372
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:35,600
Speaker 51: game showed up?

2373
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 48: This game should have been over when it was sixteen

2374
02:13:40,040 --> 02:13:42,200
Speaker 48: thirty one, you know, twenty twenty eight.

2375
02:13:42,120 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 15: Whatever the hell they had should have been over, should

2376
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:44,200
Speaker 15: have been over.

2377
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:46,880
Speaker 51: Is that probably one of the most frustrated hits about

2378
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,000
Speaker 51: why this house is all that y'all had a big lead.

2379
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:52,240
Speaker 15: And it just just didn't end up. Pretty much, my

2380
02:13:52,240 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 15: mind wasn't over.

2381
02:13:53,480 --> 02:13:55,640
Speaker 52: I mean, I I know it's not just on the defense,

2382
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:57,240
Speaker 52: just on the offense, but why do you think they

2383
02:13:57,880 --> 02:13:59,000
Speaker 52: were able to get back in at.

2384
02:13:58,880 --> 02:13:59,880
Speaker 17: The out around.

2385
02:14:02,120 --> 02:14:04,440
Speaker 15: After we scored on the fast job. They went scored

2386
02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:05,440
Speaker 15: and they just kept scoring.

2387
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:10,320
Speaker 51: You know, we going back last year, y'all had leads

2388
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:11,920
Speaker 51: in some games and they just kind of want to

2389
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:14,640
Speaker 51: dissipated towards the end. Is there a reason why, in

2390
02:14:14,720 --> 02:14:16,760
Speaker 51: to partna, why some of these leads over the years

2391
02:14:16,760 --> 02:14:18,480
Speaker 51: just haven't been able to leave y'all haven't been able

2392
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:19,040
Speaker 51: to see them out.

2393
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,240
Speaker 15: Oh no, that's the exact question, exact that.

2394
02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:26,200
Speaker 3: Tamar Chase, safe to say, unhappy, felt like he was

2395
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:30,040
Speaker 3: biting his tongue several times, told reporters that's a question

2396
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:35,880
Speaker 3: for Zach Taylor. That's not good. Never, never good. We'll

2397
02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:38,200
Speaker 3: take a break. It'll be a one minute break. When

2398
02:14:38,240 --> 02:14:41,520
Speaker 3: we come back, we'll talk to Tony and Moe from

2399
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 3: Twin Peaks in Florence for the Tony and Mo Football Show.

2400
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:47,760
Speaker 3: This is the home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty. Hey,

2401
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:48,360
Speaker 3: it's my lagger.

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02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 53: Join us in ten years on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's

2403
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:56,360
Speaker 53: sports station. It's time for since the three sixty quick

2404
02:14:56,440 --> 02:15:00,120
Speaker 53: hits on ESBN fifteen thirty, was looking for.

2405
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 3: I think we found him and Tony at Twin Peaks

2406
02:15:03,160 --> 02:15:06,440
Speaker 3: in Florence for the Tony and Mo Football Show. Hello,

2407
02:15:06,440 --> 02:15:09,480
Speaker 3: fellas Audi, how are we doing? You know, I'm not

2408
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:11,080
Speaker 3: too bad. How are you guys?

2409
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:14,440
Speaker 5: I'm good, I'm good. Did either of you ever get

2410
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:16,320
Speaker 5: a chance to meet Nick Mangold?

2411
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:17,320
Speaker 2: I did not.

2412
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:21,760
Speaker 5: No, I met him at a golf course. They're like

2413
02:15:21,800 --> 02:15:25,520
Speaker 5: four years ago, five years ago. Great a dude, yep,

2414
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:30,120
Speaker 5: great a guy, Centerville, Ohio State. Awesome NFL career. I

2415
02:15:30,160 --> 02:15:31,760
Speaker 5: saw a lot of Nick Mangold jerseys.

2416
02:15:31,800 --> 02:15:32,880
Speaker 2: I was about to say that.

2417
02:15:33,160 --> 02:15:34,800
Speaker 5: Down at the Banks yesterday.

2418
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:37,920
Speaker 2: I sorry to see he passed.

2419
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,320
Speaker 5: I know he put the appeal out on Twitter two

2420
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:41,560
Speaker 5: weeks ago, I guess looking for.

2421
02:15:41,480 --> 02:15:43,120
Speaker 2: A cast crazy houck.

2422
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:47,920
Speaker 5: And apparently just unfold almost thinking about him this morning,

2423
02:15:47,960 --> 02:15:49,960
Speaker 5: that I got a chance to meet him once and

2424
02:15:50,240 --> 02:15:51,600
Speaker 5: he was he was a really nice guy.

2425
02:15:51,680 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2426
02:15:52,360 --> 02:15:54,120
Speaker 3: Feel My buddies and I were kind of making fun

2427
02:15:54,160 --> 02:15:56,480
Speaker 3: that most of the Jets jerseys you saw were from

2428
02:15:56,560 --> 02:15:59,640
Speaker 3: twenty years ago. Yeah, and not a lot of Common

2429
02:15:59,800 --> 02:16:02,800
Speaker 3: News were players. But there were a ton of Nick

2430
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:05,120
Speaker 3: Mangold jerseys at the Banks last Yes.

2431
02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:05,760
Speaker 5: It was interesting.

2432
02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:06,600
Speaker 2: I saw that news.

2433
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:08,120
Speaker 5: We had just done our show at the Grail and

2434
02:16:08,160 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 5: I was standing outside and I look up and there's

2435
02:16:09,880 --> 02:16:14,200
Speaker 5: two guys wearing mangold jerseys. How many how many centers

2436
02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:19,040
Speaker 5: end up being one of the most popular jerseys, you know,

2437
02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:21,720
Speaker 5: a franchise's fan base.

2438
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, says a lot about them. Yeah, it's a good point.

2439
02:16:24,640 --> 02:16:27,160
Speaker 2: I mean the emotions as well, that you know, Ryan

2440
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:32,360
Speaker 2: and others. It's just it's insane and sad coming Yeah.

2441
02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:34,640
Speaker 3: No, and I'm glad that you did coming up this

2442
02:16:34,720 --> 02:16:37,360
Speaker 3: afternoon on the Tony and Mo Football Show. According to

2443
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:42,040
Speaker 3: my sources, winners go First, the Bearcats get top billing

2444
02:16:42,280 --> 02:16:43,600
Speaker 3: for the Tony and Mo Football Show.

2445
02:16:43,640 --> 02:16:48,640
Speaker 5: Times change, times change, sometimes the location changes. There's been

2446
02:16:48,680 --> 02:16:52,320
Speaker 5: one constant on this show, and it ain't Tony. There's

2447
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:55,000
Speaker 5: been one consent in this show for the last ten

2448
02:16:55,040 --> 02:17:00,879
Speaker 5: and a half years. It's this Winners go First. And

2449
02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:04,120
Speaker 5: because Duke Tobin isn't the general manager of UC football,

2450
02:17:04,200 --> 02:17:06,400
Speaker 5: the Bearcats have won seven consecutive games.

2451
02:17:06,520 --> 02:17:08,680
Speaker 3: Do you think Duke Tobin knows where the University of

2452
02:17:08,680 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 3: Cincinnati is because he wasn't at the game a couple

2453
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:14,679
Speaker 3: of weeks ago when there were twenty two NFL teams represented.

2454
02:17:14,280 --> 02:17:17,119
Speaker 2: Iowa State UC play weeks ago. Yeah, twenty two NFL

2455
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:20,280
Speaker 2: teams there Bengals couldn't make the trip ten minutes up

2456
02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:22,320
Speaker 2: the road. It was a home game for the Bengals

2457
02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:24,280
Speaker 2: that weekend, by the way, played the Lions the next day.

2458
02:17:26,120 --> 02:17:28,039
Speaker 5: I don't know if Duke Tobin knows where pay Course

2459
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:31,520
Speaker 5: Stadium is much less Knippert Stadium. Yeah, I don't know. Man.

2460
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:36,360
Speaker 5: What a just abject disaster yesterday. You guys have talked

2461
02:17:36,360 --> 02:17:38,320
Speaker 5: about it all afternoon. It's the worst loss of the

2462
02:17:38,400 --> 02:17:43,000
Speaker 5: Zach Taylor era. I can't recall another Bengals loss quite

2463
02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:46,080
Speaker 5: like it. I've seen them blow leads, right, I've seen

2464
02:17:46,120 --> 02:17:47,320
Speaker 5: them lose games they.

2465
02:17:47,240 --> 02:17:48,840
Speaker 2: Should I ain't say anything like that.

2466
02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:53,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so, yes, winners are going to go first,

2467
02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:56,040
Speaker 5: but we are not going to ignore what the Bengals

2468
02:17:56,040 --> 02:17:57,080
Speaker 5: put on the field yesterday.

2469
02:17:57,160 --> 02:18:00,600
Speaker 3: If Tony asked me how I would describe walking out

2470
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:03,360
Speaker 3: of paid Course Stadium yesterday, and it was almost like

2471
02:18:03,440 --> 02:18:06,960
Speaker 3: a damn that we really let them do this to

2472
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:10,040
Speaker 3: us again. I know you were there, Mo, what was

2473
02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 3: what was your feeling walking out of Stateium? What kype

2474
02:18:12,720 --> 02:18:14,240
Speaker 3: of vibe did you catch from the fans.

2475
02:18:17,640 --> 02:18:24,760
Speaker 5: It's a good question. I don't want to say apathy

2476
02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:28,720
Speaker 5: by any stretch of the imagination because people cared. I

2477
02:18:28,760 --> 02:18:32,400
Speaker 5: think there is a a desire to just kind of

2478
02:18:32,400 --> 02:18:37,640
Speaker 5: shrug your shoulders because who's surprised, right, The defense stunk

2479
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:41,080
Speaker 5: last year. They did nothing to it. The defense has

2480
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:43,800
Speaker 5: stunk all season. Why is it not going to stink

2481
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:46,280
Speaker 5: against the Jets? And I think this is a point

2482
02:18:46,320 --> 02:18:49,640
Speaker 5: that all three of us individually have made. When your

2483
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:52,600
Speaker 5: defense is bad, it's not that, you know what, they're

2484
02:18:52,600 --> 02:18:54,680
Speaker 5: not going to be able to stop Lamar Jackson, or

2485
02:18:54,720 --> 02:18:56,800
Speaker 5: they're not going to be able to stop Josh Allen,

2486
02:18:56,879 --> 02:18:58,160
Speaker 5: or they're not going to be able to stop an

2487
02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:01,840
Speaker 5: explosive offense. It's that they open the door to a

2488
02:19:01,879 --> 02:19:05,440
Speaker 5: bad offense and a bad quarterback and a quarterback who

2489
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:08,800
Speaker 5: has just been benched. Good defenses give up a lot

2490
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:12,039
Speaker 5: of yards and points to good offenses. It's an offensive league.

2491
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:18,080
Speaker 5: But bad defenses make bad offenses productive, make them look good,

2492
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:21,240
Speaker 5: and allow them to win football games. And we saw

2493
02:19:21,320 --> 02:19:24,160
Speaker 5: that last year. They did nothing to it, and so

2494
02:19:25,080 --> 02:19:28,039
Speaker 5: there's anger and there's frustration, but I gather there was

2495
02:19:28,120 --> 02:19:30,959
Speaker 5: just this sense of we said it all week, it

2496
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:33,560
Speaker 5: would be the most Bengals thing ever to lose that game,

2497
02:19:33,840 --> 02:19:36,400
Speaker 5: and they did, And so because it's the most Bengals

2498
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:38,840
Speaker 5: thing ever. You just kind of shrug your shoulders and go,

2499
02:19:39,080 --> 02:19:41,000
Speaker 5: there they are. They did it to us again.

2500
02:19:41,120 --> 02:19:42,959
Speaker 2: The only thing we've talked about today, Mo, is the

2501
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:45,400
Speaker 2: fact that when you were at the station, I was like, man,

2502
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:48,000
Speaker 2: I just have so many thoughts and you just write

2503
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:49,440
Speaker 2: them all down on paper, but you don't know how

2504
02:19:49,480 --> 02:19:52,920
Speaker 2: to put them together and get them across. And the

2505
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:56,039
Speaker 2: point you made and it carries to me they are

2506
02:19:56,040 --> 02:19:59,120
Speaker 2: all points we've made so many times. That's the frustrating part.

2507
02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:00,760
Speaker 2: It's not like there was just a new crop of

2508
02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:03,360
Speaker 2: things that crept up yesterday that I made it the

2509
02:20:03,400 --> 02:20:05,840
Speaker 2: worst lost in the Zach Taylor era. It's things we've

2510
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:08,879
Speaker 2: seen for years that all came at the same time.

2511
02:20:09,240 --> 02:20:14,080
Speaker 2: Horrible defense in opportune offense of game calling when the

2512
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:18,000
Speaker 2: game and your team needed it the most, like mistakes,

2513
02:20:18,400 --> 02:20:22,360
Speaker 2: mental airs, mistackles, bad specialty, all things that we've talked

2514
02:20:22,400 --> 02:20:26,240
Speaker 2: about for so many years, and they converge together. When

2515
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:28,840
Speaker 2: you come out of a mini bi you got everything

2516
02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:31,320
Speaker 2: ahead of you. Zero and seven football team without their

2517
02:20:31,320 --> 02:20:34,080
Speaker 2: two best players, their quarterback. I saw earlier that they're

2518
02:20:34,600 --> 02:20:38,279
Speaker 2: justin fields. Was in a closet last week in tears,

2519
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:41,280
Speaker 2: crying at times, like taking in everything that had been said,

2520
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:44,040
Speaker 2: all of this, and they come in and dog walk you.

2521
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:46,120
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

2522
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:50,520
Speaker 5: This league will exposure yep, Like when there's I think

2523
02:20:50,520 --> 02:20:54,200
Speaker 5: there's a difference between weaknesses and holes. Right, every team

2524
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:57,480
Speaker 5: has weaknesses, Every team has areas that they would like

2525
02:20:57,520 --> 02:21:01,160
Speaker 5: to be better. But if you have fatal flaw, this

2526
02:21:01,280 --> 02:21:05,240
Speaker 5: league will expose you. Professional sports will expose you. They

2527
02:21:05,320 --> 02:21:08,680
Speaker 5: had a whole last year. They didn't fix it, and

2528
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:11,240
Speaker 5: like it's easy to say after they give up thirty

2529
02:21:11,320 --> 02:21:14,080
Speaker 5: nine points to the New York Jets, But who among

2530
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:19,000
Speaker 5: us didn't point this out at different stages during the offseason. Yeah,

2531
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:21,879
Speaker 5: you know, the first wave of free agency came and

2532
02:21:21,920 --> 02:21:24,959
Speaker 5: went and you raise your hand, Hey, you remember that

2533
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:27,000
Speaker 5: defense last year? Are we sure?

2534
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:27,520
Speaker 10: Are we?

2535
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:31,360
Speaker 5: We sure? They're just same guys in the secondary. Don't

2536
02:21:31,360 --> 02:21:33,720
Speaker 5: need a veteran linebacker who can actually get playing time

2537
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:37,960
Speaker 5: and not Orn Burke's. Oh don't worry, we got the draft. Okay,

2538
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:43,400
Speaker 5: the draft comes, guys. We sure, no safety, no corner.

2539
02:21:43,879 --> 02:21:48,080
Speaker 5: We sure they've done enough. At different times during training camp,

2540
02:21:48,120 --> 02:21:50,680
Speaker 5: remember when they played in the preseason oh, well, you

2541
02:21:50,680 --> 02:21:54,720
Speaker 5: know al Goland no dnis name, remember correct al Golan's defense.

2542
02:21:55,080 --> 02:21:59,160
Speaker 5: They're not showing anything. Okay, I'm watching the unit. Just

2543
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:02,000
Speaker 5: line up and get we are we sure? And so

2544
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:05,039
Speaker 5: there were these different stages during the offseason and preseason

2545
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:08,520
Speaker 5: where you're like, hey man, I'm not sure you've done

2546
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:11,400
Speaker 5: enough to fix this area of your team that kept

2547
02:22:11,440 --> 02:22:14,160
Speaker 5: you from making the postseason in a year where your

2548
02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:19,080
Speaker 5: quarterback put up MVP numbers. And so then in October

2549
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:23,360
Speaker 5: when we see performances like yesterday, when we see the

2550
02:22:23,440 --> 02:22:26,200
Speaker 5: continued inability to close out games or get back in

2551
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:29,200
Speaker 5: games because your defense can't get a stop, it's even

2552
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:32,640
Speaker 5: more frustrating because so many of us who apparently don't

2553
02:22:32,680 --> 02:22:36,119
Speaker 5: know as much as Uk Toobin also no ded his name.

2554
02:22:37,240 --> 02:22:38,520
Speaker 2: We don't know as much as him.

2555
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:42,879
Speaker 5: We're not smart enough. Yeah, when we were told UK's

2556
02:22:42,920 --> 02:22:46,240
Speaker 5: got it, al U can al Goland got it, We're

2557
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:49,080
Speaker 5: gonna be okay here, Uh no, you're not well.

2558
02:22:49,240 --> 02:22:52,440
Speaker 3: The good news is, I think according to Joe Daniman,

2559
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:55,440
Speaker 3: he's reporting that Bengals defensive players just got out of

2560
02:22:55,440 --> 02:23:00,879
Speaker 3: a player's only defensive meeting. Yes, so we are bad. Yes,

2561
02:23:01,040 --> 02:23:03,640
Speaker 3: the no word on the ping pong tables.

2562
02:23:03,440 --> 02:23:04,600
Speaker 2: That was my next question.

2563
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:06,959
Speaker 3: I think they are still there, but we'll work on that.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Zach will be asked about it.

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Speaker 2: Here's also got to work on the use of quotations

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Speaker 2: and tweets. Threw me off for a second. I was wondering,

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Speaker 2: what's happening today with the moth Tony and Football Show?

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Speaker 2: Y'all love y'all. This the season, I'm sure we had

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Speaker 2: more time to make fun of.

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Speaker 5: Y'all.

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Speaker 3: Look forward to, uh, the Tony and mo Football. I

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Speaker 3: think it's the Tony Tony Pikes Tony and Football Show

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Speaker 3: coming up this afternoon from Twin Peaks and Florence.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Hautie, thank you.

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Speaker 5: We'll hear from Zach Taylor in four minutes.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait. That's next.

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Speaker 3: This has been Tony Pike's Monday midday quarterback right here

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Speaker 3: on the home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen.

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