Speaker 1: Seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and Saturday Midday on a
Speaker 1: beautiful Saturday morning. Gonna be a great weekend weatherwise. Well,
Speaker 1: yet another short show today. I am on until eleven
Speaker 1: and then we turn it over to our coverage of
Speaker 1: the UC Bearcats four and one. You see Bearcats versus
Speaker 1: University of Central Florida nights, and I double checked that
Speaker 1: they are the nights. They're three and two. That game
Speaker 1: is at noon, So anyway, I will be out of
Speaker 1: here at eleven o'clock. Well, I'll tell you last Friday,
Speaker 1: Nicholas Rosky, who now is Sophie Rosky, was sent eight
Speaker 1: years in prison for the attempted as assassination of the
Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court Judge Brett Kavanaugh. He was locked up.
Speaker 1: Rosky was for about three years before sentencing, so it's
Speaker 1: credit for that, and they have to give him credit
Speaker 1: for it. Also, federal inmates they can receive up to
Speaker 1: fifty four days a year for good time credit if
Speaker 1: they stay out of trouble while they're in prison. So
Speaker 1: applying the three year credit for time served and assuming
Speaker 1: he gets the fifty four days per year of good
Speaker 1: time credit, mister Rosky will get out sometime in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty nine, which ain't that far away. All that for
Speaker 1: the attempted assassination of a Supreme Court justice, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem right.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: A review of the facts of this case, I think
Speaker 1: would be helpful. And this is from an op ed
Speaker 1: piece written by Mike Davis. He's with the article three project. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's a review of the facts. Rosky came well prepared
Speaker 1: to kill Justice Kavanaugh. Among other things, he brought a handgun,
Speaker 1: nearly forty rounds of ammunition, a tactical knife, lock picking tools,
Speaker 1: a nail punch, a crowbar, a pistol, light, duct tape,
Speaker 1: pepper spray, zipdizes, and hiking boots with padding on the
Speaker 1: souls so he could move about the kavanaughs home more quietly,
Speaker 1: just as Kavanaugh lives with his wife and two teenage daughters.
Speaker 1: God forbid, what would have happened had the other Kavanaughs
Speaker 1: tried to defend him. When Roski arrived, however, he found
Speaker 1: he could not go through with his plan because law
Speaker 1: enforcement was outside the Kavanaugh's home, realizing they had seen him.
Speaker 1: Rossi called nine to one one and claimed to be suicidal,
Speaker 1: and he confessed his plan to the police dispatcher.
Speaker 3: So I want to tell you just briefly.
Speaker 1: In federal court, in sentencing, they have the Federal Sentencing Guidelines.
Speaker 1: They are not mandatory, they are advisory. However, how it's important.
Speaker 1: In federal court, it's a big thing. Most judges usually
Speaker 1: don't stray too far from what the guidelines dictate and
Speaker 1: the government. According to the government, the guideline calculation, according
Speaker 1: to them was thirty years to life. Thirty years to life,
Speaker 1: and that was the max. As she gave him eight years.
Speaker 1: And it even gets worse. Okay, so one morning Nicholas
Speaker 1: woke up and decided he was now Sophie. And the
Speaker 1: record suggests that Judge Bordman's leniency was influenced, at least
Speaker 1: in part by ideological sympathy. In her sentencing remarks, she
Speaker 1: cited Roski's mental health struggles and his alleged transgender status
Speaker 1: as mitigating factors and mitigating means that's in his favor,
Speaker 1: the defendant favor, And she actually mentioned President Trump in
Speaker 1: the decision in her sentence, noting that one of President
Speaker 1: Trump's executive orders would affect Roski's ability to receive gender
Speaker 1: transition medical care. However, sincere her concern, the courtroom is
Speaker 1: not the place for identity based indulgence. A judge's duty
Speaker 1: is to apply the law even handedly, not to validate
Speaker 1: the defendant's self expression. And did I mention that, Judge Boardman,
Speaker 1: are you ready for this was a Biden appointee.
Speaker 3: Certainly, no surprise there.
Speaker 1: Let's drilled down on her just a little bit more,
Speaker 1: Judge Boardman, and what we know about her. In twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, she denied a request from parents in Maryland
Speaker 1: to opt out their children from public school classes where
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus books are promoted. In June of this year,
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court reversed Bowman Boardman by siding with the parents.
Speaker 1: So the good guys won there in the appeal, okay,
Speaker 1: the facts of that case. In the case, a group
Speaker 1: of Muslim and Christian parents sued the Montgomery County, Maryland
Speaker 1: School Board over a policy that would allow parents to
Speaker 1: opt their children out of classes. Sounds reasonable to me.
Speaker 1: Judge Boorman denied the parents' plainists motion for a preliminary
Speaker 1: injunction that would have reinstated a previous policy that allowed
Speaker 1: for that opt out. Boardman ruled that mere exposure to
Speaker 1: ideas contrary to religious beliefs doesn't constitute a burden on
Speaker 1: religious exercise and quote that is not in doctrination close quote.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would disagree.
Speaker 3: With you, Judge on that.
Speaker 1: Also in February, Judge Boardman imposed a nationwide preliminary in junction.
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about those against the enforcement of President
Speaker 1: Trump's executive order to end birthright citizenship. That's why in
Speaker 1: its way through the courts. Also in February, the activist
Speaker 1: judge masquerading as a unbiased federal judge, sided with the
Speaker 1: ultra radical American Federation of Teachers to block the Department
Speaker 1: of Government Efficiency from accessing information from the Offices of
Speaker 1: Personnel Management and the Department of Energy regard or Department
Speaker 1: of Education regarding student loans. But in August, again, thank
Speaker 1: god for the Court of Appeals, the Fourth District US
Speaker 1: Court of Appeals vacated that lower court injunction and allowed
Speaker 1: DOJE in the Treasury Department to proceed with accessing the information.
Speaker 3: So, you know, we get her deal.
Speaker 1: Also, and I don't consider this as too big a deal,
Speaker 1: but it just kind of shows where she's coming from.
Speaker 1: She also made modest contribution five hundred bucks to Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton's presidential campaign. She gave five hundred bucks to Obama's
Speaker 1: presidential campaign. So I think, based on her history of
Speaker 1: siding with liberal litigants, it's fair to ask this question.
Speaker 3: And I'm rolling around in my mind. I think I
Speaker 3: know what my answer is.
Speaker 1: But the question, would her sentence have been as lenient
Speaker 1: if the victims of the attempted assassination were, oh, say,
Speaker 1: Justice Katanji Brown Jackson, Justice Elena Kagan, Justice Sonia Soda
Speaker 1: mayor think about that. I kind of think you might
Speaker 1: have seen a different sentence there. And there's a thing
Speaker 1: in the criminal justice system that's called deterrence. You know,
Speaker 1: any first year criminal justice student learns about what deterrence is.
Speaker 1: And I'm not really in most cases a big proponent
Speaker 1: of a sentence being a deterrent. In some cases it is,
Speaker 1: and this is one of them. Let's think about that
Speaker 1: just for a minute. Deterrence aims to prevent crime in
Speaker 1: the wider community by making an example of the offender. Now,
Speaker 1: this offense was a very thorough and well thought out
Speaker 1: attempt by mister Rossky to kill a Supreme Court justice
Speaker 1: and possibly his family as well.
Speaker 3: You know, this wasn't a shooting at three am and
Speaker 3: over the rhine.
Speaker 1: This guy, Rosky, he put a lot of thought into this,
Speaker 1: a lot of planning, and what I read to you
Speaker 1: is just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 3: This guy was rare and to go. And you know,
Speaker 3: you know there.
Speaker 1: Are others out there with the same demented minds, thinking
Speaker 1: the same demented things that Rosky thought about. I don't
Speaker 1: need to tell you what has happened in the not
Speaker 1: too distance future. Two attempts to assassinate Donald Trump, the
Speaker 1: congressional baseball shooting of Steve Scalise in twenty seventeen, the
Speaker 1: plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Widmer in twenty twenty, then,
Speaker 1: of course, sadly, just recently, the assassination of Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: one month ago yesterday. So, if a demented radical leftist
Speaker 1: who thinks it's okay to kill to advance a political agenda,
Speaker 1: if you're one of those persons, or I'm one of
Speaker 1: those persons, do you think that an eight year sentence
Speaker 1: is going to deter that person from following through on
Speaker 1: an assassination attempt. I don't think so. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Of course it wouldn't. But thirty to life what the
Speaker 1: sentence should have been. That's a deterrent. And again I
Speaker 1: usually don't speak about deterrence with respect to criminal sentencing,
Speaker 1: but in this case, it's different. These people think about it.
Speaker 1: These people plan these things. You know, it's not a
Speaker 1: three in the morning suiting down an OTR.
Speaker 3: They plan it through.
Speaker 1: And you know, most of these people are somewhat intelligent.
Speaker 1: They're twisted, but they're somewhat intelligent. But of course, as
Speaker 1: we know, Judge Boardman was more concerned about the defendant's
Speaker 1: trend issues then she was concerned about crafting a sentence
Speaker 1: that would deter others. And she could have done that
Speaker 1: and the government you can appeal a sentence in federal court.
Speaker 1: The government thankfully is appealing that sentence. And you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a Supreme Court justice here, and I
Speaker 1: kind of think, I don't know much about the Fourth
Speaker 1: Circuit Court of Appeals. I kind of think that that
Speaker 1: sentence may be increased. And I'll tell you something, all
Speaker 1: the years I've been doing this stuff and doing federal work,
Speaker 1: I've never seen that happen. But in this case, it
Speaker 1: just may and I think it would be appropriate if
Speaker 1: they do, And hopefully the Fourth Circuit will make the
Speaker 1: right decision and just fix this obvious wrong because it
Speaker 1: was so we'll have to see where that goes. But again,
Speaker 1: she's on the bench up there, and he's all worried about, Oh, well,
Speaker 1: he may go to a federal prison because of Trump.
Speaker 1: They're not going to pay for his sex change surgery.
Speaker 1: He attempted to murder a Supreme Court justice. Do you
Speaker 1: care about that at all? Well, of course that Supreme
Speaker 1: Court justice happened to be just happened to be a
Speaker 1: Trump appointment, but that shouldn't matter.
Speaker 3: But see, that's the thing. And I don't know her,
Speaker 3: and I only know about her what I just read
Speaker 3: to you. But that's the thing with these people on
Speaker 3: the left.
Speaker 1: They think that they're right, they're righteous, and what they
Speaker 1: believe just kind of cancels out any other obvious things
Speaker 1: that the judge should be thinking about. And I was
Speaker 1: shocked by it. And by the way, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking to legal analysts Steve Gooden about this decision at
Speaker 1: ten thirty, and I'm really interested to see what he
Speaker 1: thinks about it, because he does a lot of federal
Speaker 1: work too, But eight years, three years for time for
Speaker 1: credit served, I think about I don't know about a
Speaker 1: year and a half for good time credit. Dude is
Speaker 1: out in about twenty twenty eight, and you know what,
Speaker 1: he's got a lifetime.
Speaker 3: He's got to report lifetime.
Speaker 1: But you know, people don't, people don't follow those things
Speaker 1: all the time. So it was just a travesty and
Speaker 1: absolute travesty. But no surprise given her pedigree. And I
Speaker 1: hate to say that, and I don't like criticizing judges,
Speaker 1: especially federal judges, but I think it's appropriate in this case.
Speaker 1: This never should have happened, never should have happened. But again,
Speaker 1: we'll have to see what the appellate court does.
Speaker 3: You know what I think.
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a short break here and be
Speaker 1: back if you want to weigh in. Seven four nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand, one, eight hundred. The big one are the numbers.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, Saturday midday.
Speaker 3: We are back, Mike Allen, Saturday midday.
Speaker 1: We've just got a couple minutes here before we have
Speaker 1: to break for the news. I have open lines from
Speaker 1: nine thirty to ten seven four, nine, seven thousand, one,
Speaker 1: eight hundred.
Speaker 3: The big one are the numbers.
Speaker 1: If you weigh in those of you that have called
Speaker 1: and are on hold, I will get you after the news.
Speaker 1: I promise just a little bit more about this decision,
Speaker 1: which is just an abomination.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: The man is a sitting Supreme Court justice, the highest
Speaker 1: court in the land, the highest that you can rise
Speaker 1: to in the judiciary. And I've read to you and
Speaker 1: there's a lot more about his plans. This guy was
Speaker 1: primed and ready to go. I guess he got a
Speaker 1: pang of conscience. Well, I think, probably more accurately, he
Speaker 1: saw that federal authorities, law enforcement people were there, and
Speaker 1: then he got his pangs of conscience where he confessed.
Speaker 3: But he was ready to do this. He was ready
Speaker 3: to do this.
Speaker 1: And when the sentence what the government was arguing for,
Speaker 1: which I think was reasonable under the circumstances in this case,
Speaker 1: thirty to life. And what does Judge Deborah Boardman, an
Speaker 1: activist judge of Biden appoint.
Speaker 2: What does she do?
Speaker 1: Gives him eight years credits, three years time, and she
Speaker 1: has to do that, and she has no say over
Speaker 1: the good time decided by the Bureau of Prisons. But again,
Speaker 1: this dude could be out in twenty twenty nine. I mean,
Speaker 1: what kind of example does that set? I mean, how
Speaker 1: does that factor in with deterrens? And ain't gonna deter
Speaker 1: anybody but thirty to life I think would because, as
Speaker 1: I said, if you look at it, you'll find out.
Speaker 3: I'm right.
Speaker 1: These people that try this stuff, they're not stupid. They
Speaker 1: may be evil, they may be demented, but.
Speaker 3: They're not stupid. They're gonna know.
Speaker 1: If somebody's planning an assassination, they're gonna know what the
Speaker 1: sentence in this case is.
Speaker 3: And I mean, who knows.
Speaker 1: Maybe you shrug your shoulders and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: eight years, Yeah, I can do that. It would be
Speaker 1: worth that for me to assassinate fill in the blank.
Speaker 1: So we should see what the Court of Appeals does
Speaker 1: on this thing. But I sure hope they step in
Speaker 1: and do the right thing. And he has been slammed.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry she has been slammed. After the decision. I
Speaker 1: just want to read you a couple of them. There's
Speaker 1: an author, M. A. Rothman. I'm not familiar with him.
Speaker 1: He called the sentence pathetic, and you can use that
Speaker 1: word to describe it. Here's what he said. A guy
Speaker 1: who showed up at a Supreme Court justice's house, armed
Speaker 1: and ready to kill him, just got a lighter sentence
Speaker 1: than some people get for tax crimes, and the judge
Speaker 1: turned it into a trans acceptance story. This is beyond parody.
Speaker 1: The doj oneted thirty years, he got eight. And this
Speaker 1: is another thing too, the last thing that mister Rockman
Speaker 1: said and the media barely blinked.
Speaker 3: And Buddy, he is right about that.
Speaker 1: I tried to find in some of these media Resource
Speaker 1: Center times this was mentioned in the lamestream media. Maybe
Speaker 1: I can try to do that during the break, because
Speaker 1: if you're not watching Fox, you're not going to know
Speaker 1: about this, and if you do know about it, you're
Speaker 1: not going to know much. So anyway, your call is
Speaker 1: when we get back Mike Allen Saturday midday. They were
Speaker 1: back Mike Allen Saturday midday talking about the absurd, abhorrent.
Speaker 3: I mean, think of any other word that you can
Speaker 3: think of.
Speaker 1: To describe the sentence that was given to Nicholas Rosky
Speaker 1: also known as Sophie Rosky.
Speaker 3: I guess he.
Speaker 1: Woke up one morning and say, you know what, I
Speaker 1: want to be a girl. So of course, you know
Speaker 1: the government and the Bureau of Prisons has to move
Speaker 1: heaven and earth to accommodate that. And the sentencing judge,
Speaker 1: Judge Boardman, that was one of the things that she
Speaker 1: was concerned about in sentencing. So a guy who's already demented,
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to be to want to kill
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court justice. Does the sex change deal the
Speaker 1: trans thing, which there are some that think that that
Speaker 1: is a psychological illness or symptomatic of it. And you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, those one of the factors that she
Speaker 1: based it on. There are people calling for her impeachment,
Speaker 1: and there is precedent for impeachment of a federal judge.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with that. I think it would
Speaker 1: be a waste of time. I don't think there would
Speaker 1: be a conviction in the Senate. But it's still it's
Speaker 1: still reprehensible. Hey, let's go to the phones here, Let's
Speaker 1: talk to Steve and Marie mont Hey. Good morning, Steve, Hey, Mike.
Speaker 4: Can I say goodbye to a feign officer?
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: His name is Jeff Wabb But he was a correction
Speaker 4: officer with me at Levin and Correctional. He died two
Speaker 4: is still heart failure. He was sixty four, and he
Speaker 4: was a great officer, and most most officers have heart
Speaker 4: problems when they get older because of the stress. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I just want to mention that he's a great guy.
Speaker 4: I'm glad I worked with him well at all, correction officer.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I've been to the state institutions in my role as
Speaker 1: criminal defense lawyer before I retired. That has got to
Speaker 1: be a tough, tough job, you know, I mean it
Speaker 1: and a dangerous job too.
Speaker 4: Just want to let you know I appreciate you my
Speaker 4: contents for let me tell tough. Okay, say goodbye to.
Speaker 3: Him, No problem, my pleasure, thank you.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted him to address that. But that's got
Speaker 1: to be a tough job. And those people, they don't
Speaker 1: make much money at all. And you know, you're not
Speaker 1: obviously locked up in prison, but you're around that day
Speaker 1: in and day out. And I always salute those people
Speaker 1: because again, I don't think you'll get a lot of
Speaker 1: people that want to do that.
Speaker 3: Hey, let's talk to Rick in Dallas. Hey, good morning, Rick.
Speaker 2: I'll good morning.
Speaker 3: That might have you going, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 6: What you got one thing? First thing to begin with,
Speaker 6: don't bear a cat. So I know the boys. I
Speaker 6: know they're gonna beat them boys down of the Florida
Speaker 6: So I'm not gonna even worry about it.
Speaker 3: That they're looking good, aren't they.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Somebody told me they cracked the top twenty five. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but they are looking really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And before I hold your phone, I wanted to ask
Speaker 6: you keep mentioning a guy on the police force.
Speaker 2: He's an official.
Speaker 6: His last name is Guten Guten.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now, he don't tell me if he.
Speaker 5: Could, is he is?
Speaker 6: Somehow blood leaked to that call Gooden that was found
Speaker 6: guilty of racketeern or something that seventy He was a
Speaker 6: police chief back in the seventh I remember what exactly
Speaker 6: did he get in trouble for him back then?
Speaker 1: Well, it was a sort of different things. Uh Sy
Speaker 1: Lease was the prosecutor at the time, and I have
Speaker 1: so much respect for Cy. He didn't get along with
Speaker 1: the chief of police Carl Gooden, and Gooden was indicted.
Speaker 3: He was convicted.
Speaker 1: However, it's important to note that his conviction was overturned
Speaker 1: and he had a very successful career in business after that.
Speaker 1: I always kind of thought that he got a raw deal.
Speaker 1: But to answer your question, I don't know for certain.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think there's there's a
Speaker 1: connection there. But you know, just out of curiosity, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask him.
Speaker 3: Well, he's cold because he's on at ten thirty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one, one and one final thing. They got a
Speaker 6: real gauntlet to go through, I'm talking to They gotta
Speaker 6: play a Zola, they gotta play Baylor. So I mean,
Speaker 6: if they if they gonna be uh, nobody can say
Speaker 6: if they they do.
Speaker 2: Somebody gave it to him now.
Speaker 5: They don't have to earn it, you.
Speaker 3: Know, And you're right about that.
Speaker 1: When I was up at UC in the in the
Speaker 1: mid to late seventies, you know, they have oh and eight,
Speaker 1: you know, oh and nine seasons. But if you recall
Speaker 1: maybe about ten fifteen years ago, they cracked the top
Speaker 1: four and they darn near got Bowl consideration. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they're that good this year, but I
Speaker 1: love to see them do well.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just a good thing for the city.
Speaker 3: And thank you for the call.
Speaker 5: Rick.
Speaker 6: They gonna win. They gonna win today, and they're gonna
Speaker 6: beat Oklahoma States. They not Oklahoma States, not that year really,
Speaker 6: but they gonna, but now they gonna have trouble with Baylor,
Speaker 6: and they gonna definitely have trouble with all of it.
Speaker 2: I'm what I'm pulling for real.
Speaker 1: We shall see. I appreciate the call, Rick, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're surprising some people this year. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say I follow them closely because I don't. I'm a
Speaker 1: baseball guy. But uh, you know I'm paying attention to him.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk to Barry in Miamisburg. Hey, good morning, Barry.
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning.
Speaker 8: How's it going today.
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. What you got for me?
Speaker 8: I wanted to talk about something different this week?
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 8: Uh the government shutdown. Yeah, the big beautiful bill made
Speaker 8: a few tiny, itty bitty cuts things that needed to go,
Speaker 8: and now the Democrats are holding a third of the
Speaker 8: country hostage, trying to replace with more spending that we
Speaker 8: don't need.
Speaker 2: Yep, we need.
Speaker 8: Real spending cuts, not more spending.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: But what I'm seeing in the opinion Pollsbury is that
Speaker 1: it's kind of a split between who's at fault, pretty
Speaker 1: even between Republicans and Democrats. It's not, in fact, but
Speaker 1: that's what people think.
Speaker 8: That's because a lot of people are listening to the
Speaker 8: garbage that you know, consumer's like, but they're not even
Speaker 8: talking to us. Well, you know, if you'd stop trying
Speaker 8: to waste over a trillion dollars, then maybe people will
Speaker 8: want to talk to you.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 8: But you're stealing money from taxpayers and burning it for corruption,
Speaker 8: and of course nobody wants to talk to you. Get
Speaker 8: rid of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, And you know, the Republicans contend,
Speaker 1: and I'm not drilled down on this deeply, but they
Speaker 1: contend this is all about federal dollars for health care
Speaker 1: for illegal immigrants. And there again, if in fact that
Speaker 1: it's true, and I think it probably is, there's a
Speaker 1: case of with the Democrats, Uh, the hell with the
Speaker 1: American people. I'm going to bat for these people that
Speaker 1: trespassed in our country. It's just beyond bizarre, and they
Speaker 1: are paying a price for it.
Speaker 8: Yes, a few of those dollars will be going to
Speaker 8: illegal immigrants. Yes, a few of those dollars will be
Speaker 8: going to abortion, but only because the Democrats want to
Speaker 8: spend as much money as they can on everything, not
Speaker 8: because they are targeting spending for illegal aliens or for
Speaker 8: abortion right right.
Speaker 1: Well, I heard just this morning too that thousands of
Speaker 1: federal employees are now being fired. I don't know that
Speaker 1: whether that's going to stand up in the courts, but
Speaker 1: you know what, that's what everything bitched about.
Speaker 3: Dose.
Speaker 1: You don't think the federal government the workforce needed a
Speaker 1: shaking up, and that's exactly what's happening. So I'm sympathetic
Speaker 1: to people that get laid off. I was laid off
Speaker 1: from the police department back in nineteen seventy six, and
Speaker 1: it's tough to take, but it is what it is.
Speaker 8: At this point, well, you know, just pass a clean bill.
Speaker 8: Stop trying to put stuff that was cut and rightfully
Speaker 8: cut earlier this year and has already been voted on.
Speaker 1: Yep, you're right, and I appreciate the call, Barry. We'll
Speaker 1: see where it goes.
Speaker 8: Second thing, Okay, my prayers. First caller and his friend. Yes,
Speaker 8: you know, those guys need everything they can get.
Speaker 1: Absolutely a tough job, a tough Thank you for your
Speaker 1: consideration on that too.
Speaker 3: Very considerate.
Speaker 2: I'll have a nice take.
Speaker 1: Okay you too, Barry. Oh Man, you know you talk
Speaker 1: about the government shutdown. We just have a few minutes here.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do this last week but didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time. There is a publication, and as I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: it's the Babylon Bee, and boy they twist the Libs
Speaker 1: into circles. Last week they did a really funny piece
Speaker 1: on the seven most terrifying consequences of a government shutdown.
Speaker 1: Here are the seven most terrifying, according to the Babylon
Speaker 1: b I don't really understand this. The Capital Cafeteria will
Speaker 1: not be able to serve Ted Kruz his customary afternoon
Speaker 1: ho hos.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Ted Cruz loves hose or not.
Speaker 1: Number two, the department that you've never heard of that
Speaker 1: does nothing for you will be furloughed. And they follow
Speaker 1: that up with you can kiss the Commission on Overseas
Speaker 1: Native Fisheries goodbye. There's a lot of truth in number two.
Speaker 1: I think Number three government workers will lose thousands of
Speaker 1: hours of sleep. They would otherwise be oh man, they
Speaker 1: would otherwise be getting at work.
Speaker 3: No one wants to sleep on their own time.
Speaker 1: Number four, Rand Paul will be intolerably giddy. So you
Speaker 1: know they're trying to keep this on both sides. I
Speaker 1: guess I like this one. AOC will have to go
Speaker 1: back to bartending, but she doesn't know how to make
Speaker 1: a rum and coke. And they follow that up with, hey,
Speaker 1: it's a tough recipe. Number six. Instead of shopping online
Speaker 1: while working from home, government employees will have to shop
Speaker 1: online while.
Speaker 3: Furloughed at home.
Speaker 1: And finally, at number seven, no one will be able
Speaker 1: to unlock the restrooms at y seventy National Park. It
Speaker 1: is literally impossible to evacuate your bowels without government support.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously it's a serious thing, and there probably
Speaker 1: are some people that are going to get.
Speaker 3: Hurt by it. I do understand that.
Speaker 1: And again, I was on the receiving end of one
Speaker 1: of these things quite a few years ago. And you know,
Speaker 1: as far as the layoffs that we went through, I
Speaker 1: went through with the Police Department. I know, I was young.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand, you know, budget things and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I did not believe in many
Speaker 1: of my friends who were on the police department, we
Speaker 1: were police cadets at time, didn't believe that this was
Speaker 1: going to happen. I mean, really, it's like, how can
Speaker 1: they do this?
Speaker 3: They can't do.
Speaker 1: This too as well, they can and they did. I
Speaker 1: got back on the department in nineteen seventy nine. I
Speaker 1: believe it was they finally got some money. What happened
Speaker 1: with us was there was a thing called the l
Speaker 1: EAA Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. It was created by President
Speaker 1: Nixon that poured millions of dollars into federal aid for
Speaker 1: police departments. That was what paid us our salaries as
Speaker 1: police cadets. Well, that money ran out, and boom, we
Speaker 1: were gone. It's a tough thing to take, but you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes things have to happen, and you know, to me,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna I don't think we're gonna see any
Speaker 1: serious consequences of paring down the federal government so much.
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, time will tell on all of that.
Speaker 1: But those are kind of funny from the Babylon b
Speaker 1: you know. Getting back to the thing with Justice Kavanaugh
Speaker 1: and the assassination attempt, one of the other things that
Speaker 1: Judge Boardman took into consideration, which she is allowed to do,
Speaker 1: is the fact that he abandoned his criminal intent, which
Speaker 1: he did apparently if the facts that I have read
Speaker 1: are true, and a judge can consider that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: if you read the opinion, she makes it a real
Speaker 1: big deal, like, well, that's the main thing I'm taking
Speaker 1: into consideration. That was not the main thing. The main
Speaker 1: thing she was taking into consideration was the fact that,
Speaker 1: then God, for Donald Trump, there's an executive order prohibiting
Speaker 1: the full I don't even know what they call it anymore,
Speaker 1: and I don't really care, you know, the full sex
Speaker 1: change thing. But they're still doing things that are costing
Speaker 1: you and I in federal prisons, in the Bureau of
Speaker 1: Prisons to kind of make these people that don't know
Speaker 1: what sex they are feel a little bit more comfortable.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you make jail a terrible place,
Speaker 1: but my god, once again, once again you got the Democrats,
Speaker 1: and you got them, and they're all concerned about these things.
Speaker 1: And at some point you just have to wonder, when
Speaker 1: are the people going to matter, the American people.
Speaker 3: You know, you hear some of these people too.
Speaker 1: They'll talk about illegal immigrants, and they'll say they won't
Speaker 1: refer to them as that. They'll say residents of the
Speaker 1: state of Illinois, residents of the state of California, and
Speaker 1: that is their legal status. Well, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's their legal status it's their practical status. They're not citizens,
Speaker 1: their residents. And again I'm not saying you go take
Speaker 1: them and throw them in federal prison forever. However, when
Speaker 1: it comes down to helping Americans as opposed to helping
Speaker 1: illegal immigrants, I know where I fall on that one,
Speaker 1: and I read some things a while back. I should
Speaker 1: have probably drilled down on them where the Bureau of
Speaker 1: Prisons is having one hell of a time dealing with
Speaker 1: these trans issues in the various prisons.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: You got a guy, I mean, take this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: he wakes up in the morning and say, gee, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm a girl. So we all got to by
Speaker 1: we I mean the taxpayers. We have to jump through hoops,
Speaker 1: spend all this money because of this. And again I'm
Speaker 1: not advocating that you are cruel to these people. You're
Speaker 1: mean to these people that you know you do bad
Speaker 1: things to them. However, I think you do, or you
Speaker 1: should take into consideration. They are point zero five percent
Speaker 1: of the population. Point zero five percent of the population.
Speaker 1: That's got a factor into this somehow. Anyway, we got
Speaker 1: to take a break for the news, but when we
Speaker 1: get back, we're gonna back in with our friend Christopher Smithman.
Speaker 1: Lots going on on the city council race, mayor's debate
Speaker 1: they had this week. I'm going to talk to Christopher
Speaker 1: about that, and we'll do that when we get back.
Speaker 3: Video seven hundred WLW Mike.
Speaker 1: Gallan AM Hour two Today is the second and final
Speaker 1: hour of Saturday Midday. Yet another short show because of
Speaker 1: the University of Cincinnati University of Central Florida football game,
Speaker 1: which begins at noon. Our coverage begins at eleven after
Speaker 1: I vacate the premises here.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. There was a lively.
Speaker 1: Debate mayor's candidate debate Thursday night, sponsored by The Inquirer
Speaker 1: and Xavier University. Lots of talk about the collaborative agreement,
Speaker 1: you know, with Pureval. A lot of it was, you know, Trump, Trump, Trump.
Speaker 1: He would not this one of my takeaway, he would
Speaker 1: not rule out a tax increase. So I think that's
Speaker 1: something of some significance. Here to talk about it is
Speaker 1: Christopher Smitheman, former Vice mayor, former Law and Public Safety chair,
Speaker 1: and current financial advisor extraordinaire.
Speaker 3: Christopher, how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing good, Mike. Thanks for having me on My
Speaker 2: pleasure I definitely watch, Yeah, but I definitely watched the debate.
Speaker 2: You know what happens is, you know, candidates go out
Speaker 2: and they poll things the public doesn't understand, like, hey,
Speaker 2: a candidate goes out, they do a poll and they're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what type of negative ad they
Speaker 2: can run that would move the needle for them to
Speaker 2: win the race. And clearly this mayor believes saying things
Speaker 2: about Trump are talking about MAGA during a local election
Speaker 2: which has nothing to do with Trump and nothing about
Speaker 2: Maga right, will help will help drive voters away from
Speaker 2: Corey Bowman. So that that's really why he kept coming
Speaker 2: back to it. He's done a poll out there. The
Speaker 2: taps say the more he says that, the worse it
Speaker 2: is for Corey. And that's why they always say, this
Speaker 2: is Corey Bowman, the brother of the vice president, right me,
Speaker 2: They don't introduce me that way. They don't go Christopher Smitheman,
Speaker 2: the brother of Herbs Smith or James Smith. Aman are
Speaker 2: Albert smithmen? Right? That's that's a strategy on his part,
Speaker 2: and the problem with it is it distracts us, which
Speaker 2: is his goal. The mayor's goal, current mayor's goal, distracts
Speaker 2: us from the real problems that we've got to solve,
Speaker 2: and number one is crime. I was just disappointed that
Speaker 2: the lead question was from the Inquirer, crime is down.
Speaker 2: This is your there. They're absolutely did wrong about that.
Speaker 2: And just as you're going into it, Mike, to that debate,
Speaker 2: there was a shooting down at Fountain Square, and so
Speaker 2: you and I have lived long enough to see that.
Speaker 2: You know, you're seeing spikes and crime in downtown, and
Speaker 2: then you see it spreading out into the other fifty
Speaker 2: one neighborhood, and that's an indication that we're not headed
Speaker 2: in the right direction. And my last comment about it
Speaker 2: is the mayor was very disingenuous, and I want to
Speaker 2: hone in on this because you heard him speaking a
Speaker 2: lot about the police and how he supported him. But
Speaker 2: the clear message from the FOP, which you've been endorsed
Speaker 2: by and I've been endorsed by, they have taken a
Speaker 2: no confidence vote in this mayor. So if you don't
Speaker 2: know that, he send me up there saying, you know,
Speaker 2: the police and I have a great relationship. We're doing great.
Speaker 2: Everything is wonderful. But he's the clarity. Was it okay?
Speaker 2: What the FOP has taken a no confidence voting you.
Speaker 2: And if I was looking for the moderator and the inquirer,
Speaker 2: listen to this, ask him that question. Meaning the number
Speaker 2: one issue on people's mind is crime. You would think
Speaker 2: a question would be why do you believe the Cincinnati
Speaker 2: Police depart took a no confidence vote in your leadership? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that question wasn't asked of him, right, And so
Speaker 2: people have to understand that we've got to focus on
Speaker 2: this crime that's going on. And Holly was there in
Speaker 2: the front row. Ronda Win, whose daughter Cassandra Wynn was
Speaker 2: murdered in OTR shot in the back, five children, She
Speaker 2: was there in the front row. And I would say
Speaker 2: that I was looking for the mayor to say, listen,
Speaker 2: I see you, Holly, I see you, Ronda Win mother.
Speaker 2: I am so sorry about you being beat up and punched.
Speaker 2: You didn't deserve that. And Ronda Whin, the burying of
Speaker 2: a child has got to be the worst case scenario
Speaker 2: for any parent. We extend our deepest condolences to you.
Speaker 2: The government failed to provide that protection and we're so sorry. Hey,
Speaker 2: guess what, we still have an arrest that the bad
Speaker 2: guy who did it we're still searching and wanting that
Speaker 2: arrest and committing himself in that debate to finding the
Speaker 2: per who killed Cassandra Win. That's what I was looking
Speaker 2: for from the mayor. I didn't hear any of that.
Speaker 1: No, he didn't say anything like that. The Inquirer is reporting, Christopher.
Speaker 1: The candidates clashed over crime, with pure of All defending
Speaker 1: the city's collaborative Agreement and Bowman claiming it was being
Speaker 1: weaponized against police. Where do you come down on the
Speaker 1: collaborative Agreement?
Speaker 2: Well, the Collaborative Agreement is a historic document that we
Speaker 2: all should be very proud of. But we're no longer
Speaker 2: under federal oversight. That's a very important statement. Right. Paul
Speaker 2: Green has come in, he's done his job. We've done
Speaker 2: a refresh. This Cincinnati Police Department has turned itself around,
Speaker 2: and we now are a model for the rest of
Speaker 2: the country to see and witness, and we should be
Speaker 2: proud of that, right. But I don't even want this
Speaker 2: pseudo with that our officers to feel like they're under
Speaker 2: some federal oversight because we're hiring consultants that think they
Speaker 2: can go out and intervene directly in police business. Here's
Speaker 2: what my direct point about the Collaborative Agreement. We can
Speaker 2: support the collaborate agreement, do community policing and at the
Speaker 2: same time do proactive policing. Those two things are in concert.
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I just think that there are
Speaker 2: this mindset where Mayor Purvoal thinks playing to the African
Speaker 2: American community by acting as if the Collaborative Agreement is
Speaker 2: the trump card and not the death of the African
Speaker 2: American men that are being murdered in our streets. The
Speaker 2: number one issue for our mothers and our grandmothers, and
Speaker 2: our uncles and our aunts are the young African American
Speaker 2: men who are being murdered in our streets. That's what
Speaker 2: they're talking about. And so what we want are good investigations,
Speaker 2: cold cases, getting after these bad guys, getting them locked up.
Speaker 2: And this is important having judges that have the courage
Speaker 2: to give them the time. We don't want people to
Speaker 2: get eight years. We want them get in prison, right.
Speaker 2: We don't want them to get fifteen years from murdering somebody.
Speaker 2: So we've got to work on these judges like Judge Berkerwitz,
Speaker 2: who's running, who I support. I want to see them
Speaker 2: get reelected. Our judges are important, as you know, our
Speaker 2: prosecution prosecutors are important, and our cops. Our cops feel
Speaker 2: like they're arresting people, but the judicial system is letting
Speaker 2: them out. They didn't deal with any of that because
Speaker 2: the mayor was spending more time in his paths for
Speaker 2: most likely some type of research that he has done
Speaker 2: that says the more he says Maga, the more it
Speaker 2: boxes in Corey. Here's what I'll say about Corey. Corey
Speaker 2: has a good heart community. He's a good man. He cares,
Speaker 2: he cares right. He's not trying to climb the latter
Speaker 2: trying to go to Washington like our current mayor. So
Speaker 2: we have a decision to make. We can continue to
Speaker 2: do these four years the way we've done it. And
Speaker 2: what blew me away Mike Allan is when he started
Speaker 2: damming John Cranley. He said it was the previous administration.
Speaker 2: They're the reason I'm in this hole that I'm in,
Speaker 2: and which includes Paula Balks Music, who was a great
Speaker 2: city manager. So it was amazing to me that he
Speaker 2: was throwing John Cranley, which would include be the vice
Speaker 2: mayor of John Cranley's under the bus, saying over these
Speaker 2: four years. The reason he's having so many problems is
Speaker 2: this related to John Cranley in the previous administration. I
Speaker 2: reject that completely. This man has been the mayor for
Speaker 2: four years. Your snow didn't get picked up, not because
Speaker 2: of John Cranley. Your garbage is that getting picked up,
Speaker 2: not because of John Cranley. Our city is dirty, not
Speaker 2: because of John Cranley. Our cops aren't out there doing
Speaker 2: not doing proactive policy because of John Cranley. This mayor
Speaker 2: has to own it is administration and that's a problem.
Speaker 3: There's no question about that.
Speaker 1: Also this week the Inquirer Scott Wortman, they released a
Speaker 1: questionnaire that they sent out about issues with respect to
Speaker 1: the city, crime being the one that they focused on.
Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously you're in there too. Did you
Speaker 1: get a chance to read that, Christopher, And if you did,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts in general?
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't, but I can tell you I
Speaker 2: am out even right now, I'm sitting down in one
Speaker 2: of our fifty two neighborhoods and our team were out
Speaker 2: going door to door lit dropping. I haven't talked to
Speaker 2: one person, no matter whether I'm in Hyde Park or
Speaker 2: Mount Adams. These are places I've been, Mount Lookout, Mount Washington, Heartwell, Carthridge,
Speaker 2: bond Hill, Evingston, Roseline, you name it, Mike Allen, everybody's
Speaker 2: talking about crime. That is what they are concerned about.
Speaker 2: And so with the every time the mayor says it's
Speaker 2: our perception right, it really burns citizens their minds and
Speaker 2: their behind. They are very very concerned about the gun violence.
Speaker 2: It seems like every other day there's some type of
Speaker 2: murder and people are very very concerned about it. So
Speaker 2: I haven't read the article, but I would say crime
Speaker 2: is number one. Development is number two. High park issues,
Speaker 2: communities feeling like they're not listening to those are the
Speaker 2: two things that I'm hearing as I'm knocking on doors,
Speaker 2: and they are not happy with the current council. I've
Speaker 2: never seen more Democrats tell me the Democratic Party has
Speaker 2: left me. I haven't left the Democratic Party. I hear
Speaker 2: this drum beat. So I don't know what's going to
Speaker 2: happen in this election, but I can tell you that
Speaker 2: there are Democrats out there that are not voting down
Speaker 2: this ticket, and I'm trying to educate voters even today,
Speaker 2: I'm in Heartwell going door to door that they don't
Speaker 2: have to vote for nine people right, that they should
Speaker 2: always go for three or four people in the system.
Speaker 2: Do not vote for nine people for city council. You're
Speaker 2: you're every time you vote for somebody, you're diluting your ballot.
Speaker 2: And the and the Democrats keep trying to sell this,
Speaker 2: this marketing tool to people to hold their power by
Speaker 2: saying making making grandma and grandpa think that they have
Speaker 2: to vote for nine you shouldn't vote for more than
Speaker 2: four or five people, and stop. That's it, period.
Speaker 1: You know, are people getting that, Christopher, because that's always
Speaker 1: come up in city council races. I think it flies
Speaker 1: over people's heads. And I know when you're going door
Speaker 1: to door, I'm sure that's what you're advising people to
Speaker 1: do or suggesting that they do.
Speaker 3: But do people.
Speaker 1: Realize that because that is a powerful tool if it's.
Speaker 2: Used, they're not. And it's because what the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: does is they brand vote for your nine people, and
Speaker 2: they don't understand is up to nine right on your ballot?
Speaker 2: It says up to nine right, And we lose about
Speaker 2: two or three thousand ballots in these elections because people
Speaker 2: vote for ten people. That's also very dangerous so I
Speaker 2: would say, you don't want to over vote, and the
Speaker 2: best thing to do is vote for three or four
Speaker 2: or five people. That's what I do. You know, there's
Speaker 2: a pretty big field out there, and there's some good
Speaker 2: people like Liz Keating. I think she's a solid person
Speaker 2: who's running. I'm not a selfish politician, So I like
Speaker 2: to say other people's names that are out there that
Speaker 2: are good. I like a Stephen Goodon. He's running as
Speaker 2: a charter right, good guy, smart lawyer. You know, he's
Speaker 2: a good person to have community on council that has depth,
Speaker 2: Like you want to elect people that can look at contracts,
Speaker 2: review those contracts, provide that kind of advisement to the
Speaker 2: other eight members of council. Stephen Goodon is a person
Speaker 2: that can do that and provide that kind of depth.
Speaker 2: I would vote for Steven Gooden. Also, like in here
Speaker 2: there's a Linda Matthews. Yes, nice, nice lady, good heart,
Speaker 2: wants to do the right thing. She's also a good
Speaker 2: choice in there. Drea House is running. This is Denise
Speaker 2: Dreehouse is uh brother. He's running. He's a blue dog Democrat,
Speaker 2: lives over on the good Man lives over on the
Speaker 2: West side of town. He really wants to impact housing.
Speaker 2: You know, he's very concerned about our housing stock and
Speaker 2: how it's uh treated. You've got Lakda Cole out there running.
Speaker 2: And I tell you one of the things I respect
Speaker 2: about Lakida Cole is she works hard. I mean her
Speaker 2: her campaign. She's not out there sleep so you know
Speaker 2: she's knocking on doors and her team is working very hard.
Speaker 2: My point in naming these people is that there are
Speaker 2: a slew of candidates that that the public can pick
Speaker 2: from right and and get a get a group of
Speaker 2: of broad experiences from different political perspectives, males and female,
Speaker 2: black and white. That we've put together a council that
Speaker 2: has depth and diversity and a mayor that cares and
Speaker 2: loves the people that they are serving. That is a
Speaker 2: very important point because when the mayor was asked the
Speaker 2: question have you reached out to the victims and he said,
Speaker 2: I don't have time. That's not an exaggeration to say that. Again,
Speaker 2: the mayor was asked the question have you reached out
Speaker 2: to the victims? And the mayor said he didn't have time.
Speaker 2: That's a problem community. So you want to elect people
Speaker 2: with a heart who care about you care about your streets,
Speaker 2: care about your children, care about your community and development,
Speaker 2: care about crime, care about our firefighters. You got to
Speaker 2: have somebody that cares. If you don't, and they're using
Speaker 2: us to go to the next level, they'll always be distracted,
Speaker 2: Mike Allant, They'll always be distracted.
Speaker 1: No question about it. Let me ask you this. I
Speaker 1: mean the elections in a little bit over a month.
Speaker 1: I think early voting has started. Am I right about that?
Speaker 2: You asked ya I started. I mean that's the mail
Speaker 2: in ballots or life. It's scary. I mean I would
Speaker 2: say we're probably I don't think we've broke two thousand
Speaker 2: requests for ballots and we're chasing them. So that's why
Speaker 2: I know the number. I don't think we if we did,
Speaker 2: we just broke it on Friday two thousand. You know
Speaker 2: it's a low number. It's concerning and public. There's so
Speaker 2: many registered voters out there. We need you to show
Speaker 2: up me your registered to vote. Here's the reality, Mike.
Speaker 2: About twenty percent of people vote. The other eighty percent
Speaker 2: stay home. So when we're out here knocking on a door,
Speaker 2: we go knock on ten voters. We know that two
Speaker 2: out of the ten are going to vote eight are.
Speaker 2: That's a problem if if you want to weigh in community,
Speaker 2: you can't not participate in the election. Elections have consequences
Speaker 2: and then be disgrustle about the outcome. So here's my recommendation.
Speaker 2: Talk to your mom and dad, your aunts, your uncles,
Speaker 2: off to your children. Make sure that they're getting out
Speaker 2: on November fourth and they are voting. And I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell her. I'm not here to tell them who
Speaker 2: to vote for, other than I'm asking the public to
Speaker 2: capt the vote for Christopher Smitheman. But my point is
Speaker 2: that there are a lot of good candidates that are
Speaker 2: running that are not incumbents, that are not on the
Speaker 2: current council, that you can vote for and get this
Speaker 2: diverse council that Mike Allen, you have the confidence and
Speaker 2: I have the confidence that they're putting us first and
Speaker 2: not all these other distractions like DC. So imagine the
Speaker 2: mayor during that two week period when there was this
Speaker 2: ambush in downtown right where the gentleman slaps the African
Speaker 2: American guy. Whatever the words that were said, the N
Speaker 2: word not. There's now this ambush where people are being
Speaker 2: beat in the middle of the Street. Our mayor didn't
Speaker 2: even have the wherewithal to say, I better fly back
Speaker 2: into my city. I'm at this mayor's conference out here.
Speaker 2: I better fly back. No, I'm going to stay here.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I'm gonna go and leave
Speaker 2: and go on vacation for another week. He didn't engage
Speaker 2: that for two weeks, and that was a part of
Speaker 2: the problem. Mike Alla, you know, when there's a void
Speaker 2: in the leadership, you got a vacuum, bad things happened.
Speaker 1: That was incredible, Christopher. Unfortunately, we're out of time. We
Speaker 1: never have enough time. We'll definitely have you on before
Speaker 1: the election more than once. But appreciate you taking time
Speaker 1: out of your Saturday to talk to us, and.
Speaker 2: Thank you and Mike. People can follow me on social media.
Speaker 2: It's I'm on one space. It's at vote Smitherman. That's X,
Speaker 2: that's at vote Smithman. And the reason I like people
Speaker 2: to follow me there is they can track me for
Speaker 2: my own words. They don't have to listen to the
Speaker 2: newspaper or the media stations. They can hear what I'm
Speaker 2: saying directly by following me on EG sounds. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much, Okay, Christopher, thank you God, bless you, man,
Speaker 2: Thank you you.
Speaker 3: Bye bye, bye bye.
Speaker 1: All Right, Christopher smitheman, I'm telling you that guy, if
Speaker 1: he gets back on council, he's just not gonna sit
Speaker 1: there in a chair and not comment on anything. He's
Speaker 1: going to take the bull by the horns. I really
Speaker 1: really hope he cracks it. I think he's got a
Speaker 1: good chance of doing it. Anyway, we got to take
Speaker 1: a break. Button we get back, We're going to talk
Speaker 1: to the aforementioned Steve Gooden. Christopher talked about him about
Speaker 1: some legal issues, mainly the sentence, the ridiculous sentence that
Speaker 1: was imposed by Judge Boardman on the guy that tried
Speaker 1: to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh. We're going to talk about some
Speaker 1: political things too. We'll do that when we get back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen Saturday Midday. Have you taken your family to dinner?
Speaker 3: Recently?
Speaker 1: Had forty two News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen
Speaker 1: Saturday Midday.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you, we've been talking about it all morning.
Speaker 1: Nicholas also known now as Sasha, decided that she woke
Speaker 1: up or he woke up and wanted to be a woman. Anyway,
Speaker 1: got set Rosky Nicholas Rosscott sentenced to eight years. Government
Speaker 1: was seeking thirty to life. Here to talk about it
Speaker 1: is Steve Gooden. Steve has done a lot of federal
Speaker 1: criminal work and I want to get his take on it.
Speaker 1: Good morning, Steve, Hello Steve, Good morning, Steve, good morning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry about that. Your thoughts on my fault, your thoughts.
Speaker 1: On the sentencing, I mean, eight years. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's an appropriate sentence. Government, of course wanted thirty to life.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that.
Speaker 7: Well, it's a travesty and I'll tell you why. And
Speaker 7: it's a bigger deal than just this one judge. I mean,
Speaker 7: we know this judge is Deborah Boardman.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 7: You know sort of has a history of this sort
Speaker 7: of thing. And you know, in the federal sentencing world,
Speaker 7: you have to really bend over backwards if you're going
Speaker 7: to depart from the guidelines, and the guidelines here called
Speaker 7: for thirty to life, yep. And the prosecutors weren't being unreasonable,
Speaker 7: That's just what the federal guidelines were. And if you're
Speaker 7: going to depart from that, you have to make these
Speaker 7: very very specific factual findings. And the finding she entered
Speaker 7: sounded like.
Speaker 5: Out of a rant against the Trump administration and really jumped.
Speaker 7: Into the culture wars. She basically gave this person a
Speaker 7: break for being mentally ill number one, which it sounds
Speaker 7: like most people in these circumstances are, and number two
Speaker 7: because he or she is transgendered. I don't want to
Speaker 7: mess up the pronouns and be insensitive. I don't remember
Speaker 7: which way this particular one goes. I think it's started
Speaker 7: as a biological man going to a female.
Speaker 5: Yes, and then.
Speaker 7: Also noted that the time, this was the part that
Speaker 7: was so outrageous that her time and his time or
Speaker 7: her time in federal prison will be even worse because
Speaker 7: the Trumpet ministration has banned the use of these transgender
Speaker 7: procedures in prisons. I mean we used to like actually
Speaker 7: prisoners used to be able to transition while they were
Speaker 7: in federal prison. Is no longer the case. So basically
Speaker 7: saying this is going to be even harder on this
Speaker 7: person because they can't do this transitioning while in prison,
Speaker 7: and kind of gave her a break there, and I'll
Speaker 7: know it just looked it falls into this whole kind
Speaker 7: of politicization of of the federal system where you really
Speaker 7: didn't for years, the federal system was thought of as
Speaker 7: the place because it has these guidelines that are passed
Speaker 7: by Congress, where it is less political, it's harder to get,
Speaker 7: you know, to have partisan politics creeped in. But that's
Speaker 7: really no longer the case. You've got January sixth defendants.
Speaker 7: Many of them got twenty plus year sentences. And I'm
Speaker 7: not saying a lot of those guys should have just walked,
Speaker 7: because I think some of them did some pretty bad things.
Speaker 7: But it was pretty clear there that the judges were
Speaker 7: going upwards to send a message. And now we have
Speaker 7: a sitting Supreme Court justice and this person, you know
Speaker 7: who very well could have been assassinated. This person traveled
Speaker 7: across the country, had burglary tools, had a firearm, and
Speaker 7: really got to the threshold of the property. And if
Speaker 7: they head and back out at the last minute, you know,
Speaker 7: we could have had the first sitting Supreme Court justice assassinated,
Speaker 7: which is amazing. In two hundred and thirty five years,
Speaker 7: we've never had one assassinated. So Kavanaugh could have made
Speaker 7: history in a way he didn't want to. And what
Speaker 7: was we saw with Charlie Kirk and other things. These
Speaker 7: individuals are very very much pepable of this kind of violence,
Speaker 7: and this sentence did not reflect that, and it was
Speaker 7: just a true shame and it makes people. Things like
Speaker 7: this make the average person lose faith in the justice
Speaker 7: system being fair and impartial.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right about that. The government said they're appealing.
Speaker 1: I've never been involved in, or actually even read any
Speaker 1: cases about appealing a sentence from a federal district court judge.
Speaker 1: How does that work, Steve? Do you know and have
Speaker 1: you ever heard of it tried or being successful?
Speaker 7: No, I've seen it a couple of different times in
Speaker 7: my career, and it often is successful. And basically what
Speaker 7: they do is they argue the judge abused his or
Speaker 7: her discretion in making a departure from the guidelines that
Speaker 7: big and I don't know that the sentence is going
Speaker 7: to hold up, you know. And making it even more
Speaker 7: kind of bizarre, you know, is that the federal district
Speaker 7: court judges and appellate court judges have an unusual degree
Speaker 7: of contact with the US Supreme Court. It's kind of
Speaker 7: like with the Ohio Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The U.
Speaker 7: S Supreme Court actually does have administrative functions and sort
Speaker 7: of oversees these lower courts to a certain degree when
Speaker 7: they're not just ruling on their decisions, but there's personnel
Speaker 7: things and issues like that, so you know, I so
Speaker 7: so you know, she's basically saying, hey to her one
Speaker 7: of her bosses, Hey, I didn't think it was that
Speaker 7: big a deal that this transgender person was trying to
Speaker 7: kill you. So we'll see how see how that goes.
Speaker 7: The other question here really is, you know, there are
Speaker 7: a lot of people, and a lot of very smart
Speaker 7: people calling to impeach the judge. You know, it's only
Speaker 7: had about six or seven district court judges impeached over
Speaker 7: the years, and it's usually been for something corruption based
Speaker 7: or extraordinary.
Speaker 5: But this one is just so.
Speaker 7: So out there that I wouldn't be too surprised if
Speaker 7: somebody out of the federal society world or something of
Speaker 7: that nature tried to at least make application and try
Speaker 7: to begin that very obscure process to a beach, because
Speaker 7: it really was a thumb in the eye to the whole,
Speaker 7: to the Supreme Court and to the justice system. And
Speaker 7: you know, it's just a strange strength set of facts.
Speaker 7: The other thing here that's so ugly is that this
Speaker 7: woman there, man, I'm a woman. And I'm not trying
Speaker 7: to be mean. I just keeps hearing it up. This person,
Speaker 7: this person was motivated about Roe v.
Speaker 2: Wade.
Speaker 7: I mean they it was in that period where, if
Speaker 7: you recall, the decision had been leaked but not finalized,
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, the court hadn't finally signed off
Speaker 7: on the Dobbs decision, which is essentially overruled Row, and
Speaker 7: that was the motivator here, you know, it was to
Speaker 7: somehow try to stop it from becoming final. That's what
Speaker 7: this person told the investigators when when captured. So so
Speaker 7: that you know, that also adds to this weird element
Speaker 7: here where it's almost like is the judge sort of,
Speaker 7: you know, implicitly saying that's okay too, because you were
Speaker 7: because this person was motivated, yeah, over these things again
Speaker 7: the politics right there. So you know, I do think
Speaker 7: you're going to see some I do think they've got
Speaker 7: a pretty good chance, the prosecutors do, of getting this
Speaker 7: revisited by the appellate court. But I also don't think
Speaker 7: people are going to be done with miss Judge Boardman.
Speaker 7: I think there's going to be a lot of activity
Speaker 7: to try to pull her back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this isn't the only thing with her too.
Speaker 1: I went through it during the ran. We don't have
Speaker 1: time to do it now. But what you said leads
Speaker 1: me to my final question about this. She removed effectively
Speaker 1: the terrorism enhancement to this thing. I think that's how
Speaker 1: the government got to thirty to life. A couple of
Speaker 1: days ago. I looked at the spec the specification, man,
Speaker 1: it sure sounded like it fit to me, because, as
Speaker 1: you just said, he was motivated by the abortion issue, right.
Speaker 7: I mean, I if trying to assassinate a judge because
Speaker 7: of a ruling that they're about to make, If that
Speaker 7: isn't a form of domestic terrorism, I don't know what is.
Speaker 7: I mean, you're you're doing so you can do nothing
Speaker 7: more anti democratic and try to assassinate ah, you know,
Speaker 7: a sitting federal official over his or her opinion. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's it's just a disgusting thing. And if that isn't terrorism,
Speaker 7: I don't know what it is the dictionary definition.
Speaker 1: Speaking of disgusting Latsia James indicted on bank fraud and
Speaker 1: making false alarm statements. A lot of talk about this
Speaker 1: one being politically motivated, like all the stuff that was
Speaker 1: done to Trump, wasn't politically motivated anyway, just in general,
Speaker 1: your thoughts.
Speaker 7: On that, Yeah, this one, I think it's a little tougher.
Speaker 7: I've read the indictment here, so so to refresh everyone's
Speaker 7: recollect you very briefly, she was the attorney j General
Speaker 7: New Yorkers. He's training general in New York who brought
Speaker 7: the big civil mortgage fraud case against Donald Trump where
Speaker 7: they got the thirty four million dollar verdict and Trump
Speaker 7: was basically accused of inflating his assets to get more
Speaker 7: favorable bank loans. We know, you know from my practice,
Speaker 7: these kinds of things happen all the time, and usually
Speaker 7: as long as the banks are made whole and no
Speaker 7: one defaults on the loans, no one cares. I mean,
Speaker 7: everyone puts their best foot forward when they're presenting their
Speaker 7: their valuations of their properties and so forth to get
Speaker 7: a bank loan, particularly in these big commercial thing deals.
Speaker 7: What Letitia James did, I don't think there's any questions
Speaker 7: she did this was she bought a house for her
Speaker 7: great niece that she's renting to her great niece. She
Speaker 7: paid one hundred and thirty seven dollars or thousand dollars
Speaker 7: for it. In Virginia, and she represented it was going
Speaker 7: to be her residence and of course instead of an
Speaker 7: investment property, which did get her a lower interest rate.
Speaker 7: So basically the same thing she accused Trump of doing,
Speaker 7: but a much, much, much smaller scale. So the hypocrisy
Speaker 7: of it is incredible. It is pretty unusual, though, for
Speaker 7: federal prosecutors to go after a case this small. And
Speaker 7: I've been involved in a couple mortgage fraud cases over
Speaker 7: the years, and usually it is something, you know, they're
Speaker 7: looking at a multi million dollars sort of, you know,
Speaker 7: a commercial situation where the dollars are really big. So
Speaker 7: it does look weird in a lot of ways that
Speaker 7: they're going after an individual, you know, residential property this
Speaker 7: way that I mean, they can, but it does kind
Speaker 7: of contribute to this idea that it's the folks trying
Speaker 7: to who are you know, either in the Justice Department
Speaker 7: or or well, I guess they're all in the Justice
Speaker 7: Department who are kind of trying to even the score here.
Speaker 7: So I'm kind of curious what a jury will make
Speaker 7: of all of it. I mean, I don't think there's
Speaker 7: any questions she did what she's accused of doing. It
Speaker 7: is unusual for federal prosecutors to go after something the small.
Speaker 7: They're clearly trying to make an example out of her.
Speaker 7: But I could see a jury looking at the numbers
Speaker 7: here and thinking that it's, you know, maybe not that
Speaker 7: big a deal.
Speaker 5: So, I mean, this.
Speaker 7: One's kind of like with the James Comey situation here,
Speaker 7: where you know, he's accused the line of Congress.
Speaker 5: I'm very curious, you know.
Speaker 7: What kind of case they really have, and I hope
Speaker 7: they've got the goods because otherwise, you know, it will
Speaker 7: be a scenario where where Trump may give away some
Speaker 7: of his moral advantage.
Speaker 5: Here. There's no question that they came after him.
Speaker 7: With things that they shouldn't have, that were politically motivated,
Speaker 7: that they weaponized the justice system. And you know, let's
Speaker 7: hope that this turns out to be I hate to
Speaker 7: say it turns out to be a real crime, and
Speaker 7: that doing the same thing back.
Speaker 1: I got it, I got you one final question, and
Speaker 1: he got about thirty seconds from this. I'm sorry the
Speaker 1: statements that she made and I don't have time to
Speaker 1: read them.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just incredible, just real quickly. This is.
Speaker 1: Something from her a tweet from her back in February
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. When powerful people cheat to get better loans,
Speaker 1: it comes at the expense of hardworking people. Everyday Americans
Speaker 1: cannot lie to get a mortgage, and our government would
Speaker 1: throw the book at them. We simply can't hate have
Speaker 1: different rules for different people. My question is this, Will
Speaker 1: the government be able to use those statements in trial
Speaker 1: to show that she's a hypocrite. I know that's not
Speaker 1: a legal type thing, but will they be able to use.
Speaker 7: Those Absolutely they will, And it goes well beyond her
Speaker 7: being a hypocrite, And she is a breeze and hypocrite,
Speaker 7: by the way, And if you could convict someone of that,
Speaker 7: I would, I would absolutely stay it breaking that. But
Speaker 7: what it goes to is under the federal rules, it
Speaker 7: goes to the idea that she knows it's wrong. I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, just the idea that she's acknowledged, you know,
Speaker 7: the wrongfulness of the conduct. I think is the exact
Speaker 7: phrase that they use. Because a lot of people in
Speaker 7: these mortgage part cases, and I've been involved in a couple. Look,
Speaker 7: the argument is, hey, checked, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, we're out of time.
Speaker 1: Everything's also that, uh, I'm gonna have you on soon
Speaker 1: to talk about politics too, because you are the head
Speaker 1: of the Charter Party and we will do that, maybe
Speaker 1: even next week.
Speaker 3: I'll get with you later in the week.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll do that.
Speaker 7: Hey.
Speaker 1: We have a good day, man. Thank you you too.
Speaker 1: Thanks Steve, good care you too. Hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: I am way out of time. Want to thank my
Speaker 1: producer Liam for keeping me out of trouble. I am
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