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Speaker 1: It's night with Dan Ray. I'm going Mazy Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody. We are halfway through this week. It

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Speaker 2: is Wednesday, a little bit after eight o'clock, eight o eight.

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Speaker 2: If I'm reading my eight oh seven, If I'm reading

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Speaker 2: my clock correctly and normally, I am. My name's Dan Ray,

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Speaker 2: host of Nightside along with Rob Brooks, who is back

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Speaker 2: in the control room at the the big broadcast house.

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Speaker 3: He's He's where all the action is.

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Speaker 2: I'm simply a host, remote host trying to keep you

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Speaker 2: informed and entertained for the next four hours, which I

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Speaker 2: will do all the way until midnight. We do it

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Speaker 2: five nights a week, Monday through Friday. And without any

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Speaker 2: further ado, I want to get to my first guest tonight.

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Speaker 2: She is someone who is well known, doctor Dana Bloomberg Craft,

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Speaker 2: doctor Dana Kraft. Yes, doctor Craft is the life partner

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Speaker 2: of Bob Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 2: And while the New England Patriots were having fun in

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Speaker 2: Tennessee last weekend, there was some fun going on at

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Speaker 2: Jillette Stadium. It was a different type of tailgate party.

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Speaker 2: First of all, doctor Dana Kraft, Welcome, to night Side.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me Dan and letting

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Speaker 4: me speak about something that we are passionate about in

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Speaker 4: the Craft household, which is a all adoption.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are very very concerned about pets as well.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to my show, I end my show

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Speaker 2: every night as a little bit of a salute to

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Speaker 2: a cavalier, King Charles Spaniel, who was my best pal

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Speaker 2: for ten years. Charlie, All dogs, all cats, all pets

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Speaker 2: go to Heaven. I won't give you the whole rundown

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Speaker 2: on that. And my daughter has a Corgi who she

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Speaker 2: adopted from the Situate Animal Shelter.

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Speaker 3: A beautiful dog, just a beautiful dog. And my son

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Speaker 2: Short uh part Shitsu and part Yorky. But on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: while the while the Patriots were having their way with

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Speaker 2: the Titans in Tennessee, you were having fun at the

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Speaker 2: the Potriots petted dogs and tailgate and watch party at

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Speaker 2: Patriot Place, and I'm told there was a smashing success.

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Speaker 2: Tell us how it came to be and tell us

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Speaker 2: what the what the final score was. It sounds to

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Speaker 2: me like was almost a perfect day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I'm so sorry about Charlie. I

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Speaker 4: can't even I mean, anyone who's had a dog who

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Speaker 4: knows that kind of you know, unconditional love of a

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Speaker 4: with the dog, Like can you know it's that kind

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Speaker 4: of pain is really unimaginable. So let me start by

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Speaker 4: saying that. And while you mentioned your daughter had the

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Speaker 4: quirky is that right? Yes, I'm gonna give a quick

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Speaker 4: shout out that we were going to have our first

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Speaker 4: quirky race on this Sunday, Geam, so that would be

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Speaker 2: Long that she lived in San Francisco, and I know

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers have done that. See and her

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Speaker 2: Although I had mustard yesterday, we'll have to wait to

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Speaker 2: the giants or the Jets to it. He unfortunately is odd,

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Speaker 4: Don't know why this whole thing started just with corgies,

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Speaker 4: but corgies must I don't know, follow commands really well,

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Speaker 4: But I think we sat in Arizona, I believe, for

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Speaker 4: But I just wanted to give that as a as

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Speaker 4: Patriots viewing parties. So you know, I think one of

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Speaker 4: the things that dogs do really well is they helped

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: We had, uh, we had a watch party for Patriots

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Speaker 4: So it was it was a big success, you know

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Speaker 3: Yeah spelled it was.

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Speaker 2: So that's a pretty good batting average, thirty one out

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Speaker 2: that their their veterans of Jellette Stadium and increase in

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Speaker 4: So one of them, I know, was on Zillac and

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Speaker 4: But it really was just a thrilling day and a

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Speaker 4: and you know, coming together watching the game, having fun.

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Speaker 4: Some people came just to learn about maybe you know,

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Speaker 4: getting up in the future. Some people were very interested

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Speaker 4: And you know, for everyone who showed up, I was

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Speaker 4: just I was It was the first time we were

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Speaker 4: partake in a community that supported apamals like this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not going to put you on the spot,

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Speaker 2: but if Zola can try to get a dog adopted,

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Speaker 2: what what what are the two dogs?

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Speaker 3: What are they? What's the breed or are they mixed breed?

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Speaker 2: Number one? And then if some of my listeners want

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Speaker 2: this is an unfair question because we didn't prepare for it.

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Speaker 4: No, no, it's great. We would love that.

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Speaker 7: So they are.

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Speaker 4: But there are two mixed breeds one was a little

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Speaker 4: and one was a three month old puppy named Hermione.

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Speaker 4: And they we had two partner organizations, the m S

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Speaker 4: Patriots Backslash pop rants and we have the contact information

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Speaker 4: for both of the organizations. Here's my dog running in

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Speaker 2: So the website that they that they can see these dogs,

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Speaker 2: it's Patriots Backslash one.

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Speaker 5: Patrians p A W t R I O t S.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I missed, uh, doctor Kraft, I'm missing that

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Speaker 4: Pots dot com.

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Speaker 2: so we will write that. I will write that down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we have partnered quite closely with the Animal

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Speaker 2: Of people who really do love pets and there and

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Speaker 3: This this this is perfect. Again, thank you for what

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Speaker 2: Thank Bob Craft for also, I know he's very much

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Speaker 2: interested in this issue as well.

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Speaker 4: He is, yes, and I think he was scared you

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Speaker 3: And uh truly, I tell Bob he's got a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of Patriot fans here on Nightside and it's the one

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Speaker 4: So I will I will tell him you said that.

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Speaker 4: He'll be so grateful.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks doctor Dana Bloomberg Craft, who is an

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Speaker 4: Yes, all the thanks again, Thank you again. I really

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Speaker 2: Pleasure, and so Rob, I will give you this in

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Speaker 2: we will will encourage them. And if you end up

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Speaker 2: As a as a as a guest during this hour

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Speaker 2: if you if you happen to be in the in

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Speaker 2: the marketplace for a dog and you adopt a dog

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Speaker 2: one of the puppies that there were only two that

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Speaker 2: didn't make the cut last Sunday, we need to address that.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside going to talk about the

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Speaker 2: Bosston Arts Academy Foundation's twenty twenty five Honors program, which

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Speaker 2: will be taking place later this week. We have a

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Speaker 2: couple of other very interesting guests coming up as well,

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Speaker 2: so stay with us. My name is Dan Ray, and

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Speaker 2: this is Nightside.

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News.

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Speaker 3: I'm delighted to welcome Danella Clark.

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Speaker 2: She is the Boston Arts Academy Foundation President and CEO. Danella,

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Speaker 6: Yes, thank you so much Dan for having me. You're

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Speaker 6: I'm going to speak to you about Boston Arts Academy. Honor. So,

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Speaker 6: Boston Arts Academy is the city of Boston's only public

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Wow, we've been around here.

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Speaker 5: You've been around year.

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Speaker 2: We've been around since last century.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: So you had this wonderful event coming up tomorrow night

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Speaker 6: That's that's correct. So when our school was founded twenty

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Speaker 6: I copied the Kenni Kennedy Center Honors. I'm in my

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Speaker 2: Bro Your lifetime achievement honoree is Donnie Wahlberg, as I

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Speaker 2: and he's been a big success. Your civic responsibility Honoree.

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Speaker 2: You have a music honoree Johnny Gill, a TV and

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Speaker 2: Your dance honoree is a Diane Walker, an American tap

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Speaker 3: Quite a group. So this is gonna be a big event.

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Speaker 2: How can people I know it's late and it's tomorrow

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Speaker 6: There are a few tickets left, and people could go

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Speaker 6: all like your first year to announce it. We just

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Speaker 3: Well, you have a few left, Yeah, you got.

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Speaker 3: It sounds to me like a great organization.

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Speaker 2: Some year if you on a radio talk show host.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go no matter what, whether I get

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Speaker 6: Well well, as I said, I love you, Dan Ray,

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Speaker 6: I listened to you all the time. It's it's really

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Speaker 2: Danella, right back at you. Are you doing such great

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Speaker 2: sure many of your students are going to far exceed

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Speaker 2: have spent building the reputation, the great reputation of this

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a great event, Danella. Thank you

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much. Dan I often say I love

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Speaker 2: And what do they say, if you love what you do,

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Speaker 3: Thanks again, Dannell. I really enjoy chatting with you.

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Speaker 3: Take care, okay you I will we get back.

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Speaker 2: We're going to honor the life and legacy of a friend,

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Speaker 2: in Boston Boston Globe, a writer, reporter, columnist, raccontour Jack Thomas.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that many of you who have been in

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Speaker 2: Jack passed a few months ago, sadly, but he left

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Speaker 2: I know what a great relationship you and Jack had

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Speaker 2: over so many years. But I'm looking at the book

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Speaker 2: You have basically taken the best of his columns going

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Speaker 2: It's it's extraordinary to read it. And I know how

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Speaker 2: And he's a great friend of mine. But you have

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Speaker 7: Welcome to that side, Dan, It is a pleasure to

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Speaker 7: was familiar, of course, with much of his work, having

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Speaker 2: How long did it take you to assemble this? I

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Speaker 7: No, yeah, that was called the basement box order.

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Speaker 2: this book is beautiful. I mean this, I could just

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Speaker 7: Well, thank you, Dan, thank you for your attention to that.

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Speaker 2: World Tuesdays with Maury absolutely All Album Albaum now does

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Speaker 7: who have made an impact Irish American families who have

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Speaker 7: made an impact. This year it's the honorees are Jim

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Speaker 7: O'Connell Healthcare for the Homeless. Yes, of course, he's so

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Speaker 7: revered for his good work on human human rights and

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Speaker 7: for homeless people and caring for home the homeless. So

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Speaker 7: and Claire Crown from the former ambassador and Ireland. The

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Speaker 7: former Ambassador to Ireland and also President Marty Mehan are

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Speaker 7: the honorees, and Jack will be remembered and honored for

448
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Speaker 7: this book, and so I will be able to give

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Speaker 7: the book out to people who are attending that. But

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Speaker 7: also I want to mention that the Fory family and

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Speaker 7: this year is announcing that they have created a foundation

452
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Speaker 7: for for a family Foundation for Young Journalists to support

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Speaker 7: scholarships and internships for young journalists. So that will be

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Speaker 7: part of not the Fory family legacy, but something Jack

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Speaker 7: cared about very much, inspiring the next generation of journalists.

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Speaker 3: This is a wonderful book.

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Speaker 2: I have not read every article, although I probably read

458
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Speaker 2: all of his articles, really wrote them a riginal I'm sure.

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Speaker 7: You read them at the time, you were such a

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Speaker 7: good reader with them.

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Speaker 2: Now twenty thirty forty years later is even more incredible.

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Speaker 2: And the work that you have done. And I know

463
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Speaker 2: how much Jack loved you, and I know how much

464
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Speaker 2: you loved him. This book is testament to that. I

465
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Speaker 2: mean just it's everybody should have a job and someone

466
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Speaker 2: who loves them as much as you love Jack. To

467
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Speaker 2: basically memorialize in a book the work of the life,

468
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Speaker 2: it is a great gift. It is just a great

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Speaker 2: gift to everyone and a great gift to his memory.

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Speaker 3: So the tickets still available to the event on Friday.

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Speaker 7: There are probably tickets if you go on the Irish

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Speaker 7: I know that I should mention that it was moved.

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Speaker 7: It was at the Kennedy Library and so it was

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Speaker 7: moved to the Humanity Artist for Humanity Spot because of

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Speaker 7: the shutdown. So I'm not sure that I can say

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Speaker 7: that there are tickets available, but certainly you know I'm

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Speaker 7: easy to find because I own a communications company. But

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Speaker 7: so if anyone cares to reach out to me, I

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Speaker 7: will do what I can to make sure that they

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Speaker 7: get at least if I have extra copies that the

481
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Speaker 7: after the luncheon, that people can get them from me directly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and everyone knows Jerry Dental Line in the business,

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Speaker 2: But the website for the company in this day and age,

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Speaker 2: we no longer get go ahead, what's the website?

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Speaker 7: Yes, no, it's it's It's Genterline denterline dot com. So

486
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Speaker 7: anyone can find it. It's my name and I'm the

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Speaker 7: only one with that particular spelling. D E N T

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Speaker 7: E r l e I N. So easy to find

489
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Speaker 7: and and you honor me by having me on tonight

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Speaker 7: and celebrating Jack's work. It's really a living legacy for

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Speaker 7: me and my family.

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Speaker 2: Great a great picture of him at a typewriter, which

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Speaker 2: is exactly the way that he should be remembered. It's

494
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Speaker 2: kind of a nineteen seventy is haircut there that all

495
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Speaker 2: of us at one point or Yeah, he captured he

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Speaker 2: captured his words, and you captured his image, Jerry, and

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Speaker 2: congratulates well the image.

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Speaker 7: I must I say, it's a it's Pulitzer two time

499
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Speaker 7: Pulitzer Prize winner Stan Grosveld's picture that he just captured

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Speaker 7: Jack spontaneously and his former college well, his colleague, current

501
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Speaker 7: writer for the Boston Globe, and they refers to it

502
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Speaker 7: as the Prince Valleyant haircut nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely perfect description. I wish I had thought of that.

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Speaker 3: I would have I would have coined it. Jerry, we

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Speaker 3: will talk soon.

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Speaker 2: And again I treasure I treasured this book as I

507
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Speaker 2: know you treasured you and you treasured him.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Jerry.

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Speaker 7: All right, I thank you, my friend. Take care by now.

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Speaker 2: When we get back, we will wrap the hour and

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Speaker 2: at nine o'clock we're going to talk about a big

512
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Speaker 2: jump in real estate taxes for commercial and business owners

513
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Speaker 2: in Cambridge.

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Speaker 3: But when we get.

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Speaker 2: Back, we're going to talk about something called cyber hygiene.

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Speaker 2: And with the big problems with Amazon earlier this week,

517
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Speaker 2: as it may be a I guess something of a

518
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Speaker 2: suggestion of what may await all of us in the

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Speaker 2: next few years and what we can do about it

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Speaker 2: to prevent us from being you and me from being

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Speaker 2: victims of phishing attacks. And this a ws out, the

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Speaker 2: Amazon Web service outage is likely going to only encourage

523
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Speaker 2: the bad guys out there to do more phishing.

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Speaker 3: And so we're going to talk about cyber hygiene. We'll

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Speaker 3: explain it right after the break.

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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Boston's news radio The.

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Speaker 2: Lighted to welcome Stephanie Shopper. She's a senior journalist at

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Speaker 2: Cyber News and accomplished writer with an MS and cyber

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Speaker 2: security Master of Science degree in cybersecurity. Welcome Stephanie to Nightside.

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Speaker 2: You are basically a modern day paul Revere as it were,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's a more modern day Pauline Revere talking about

532
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Speaker 2: cyber criminals and hackers that can.

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Speaker 3: Take it outages.

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Speaker 2: So what do we what do we need to fear

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Speaker 2: in this coming brave or even braver new worlds?

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Speaker 6: Oh wow, do you have a.

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Speaker 5: Couple of hours? No, I'm seizing, I mean, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: of course no. So I mean obviously everybody was affected

539
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Speaker 5: by this big Amazon uh you know aws adage, which

540
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Speaker 5: is their you know, data center cloud services that a

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Speaker 5: lot of companies use, about a thousand companies, you know,

542
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Speaker 5: located in northern Virginia. It impacted everybody for about twelve hours.

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Speaker 5: You know, everything from you know, your communication apps to

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Speaker 5: banks to airlines. You know, even my fitness pal and

545
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Speaker 5: Hinge were affected. So yeah, and so you know, when

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00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: people you know, have these things happen, they you know, go, okay,

547
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Speaker 5: what do I do? How do I get back online?

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Speaker 5: And this is when the cyber criminals come out and

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Speaker 5: they decide, let's take advantage of this, and they usually

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Speaker 5: will blanket lift some phishing attacks and I'm not sure

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Speaker 5: if you know what that is, but fishing a tax

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Speaker 5: are usually yeah, emails are texts and basically you know,

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Speaker 5: one of the tenants is that they prey on human emotions,

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Speaker 5: so they you know, have a sense of urgency. They

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Speaker 5: might give you a little scare. But you know, for

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Speaker 5: people that are that have a major outage, if they're

557
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Speaker 5: not you know, paying attention to the news, they don't

558
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Speaker 5: know what's going on. They might get an email that

559
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Speaker 5: just says, hey, we can reset your computer, or we

560
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: can get you back on this app. 're tech support.

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Speaker 5: They could send you an email that offers to refund

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Speaker 5: you for the services that you missed out on over

563
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Speaker 5: those ten hours. And so basically in any email, you

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Speaker 5: should or a text message, you should never be clicking

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Speaker 5: on a link unless you know what it is. You know,

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Speaker 5: if a company sends you an email like that, which

567
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: they never really will, but you can always check by

568
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 5: typing the you know, web address into your browser to

569
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Speaker 5: make sure you go directly to that company's website.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: You also, when you have an outage, you have to

572
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Speaker 5: be careful. Don't do any like major transactions. Don't upgrade

573
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Speaker 5: your compute, you know, your software, change your passwords, that

574
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Speaker 5: kind of thing. But you know, it's a good it's

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Speaker 5: a good time to just kind of take stock of

576
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Speaker 5: where you are when it comes to cybersecurity. And you know,

577
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Speaker 5: some of the things that I always stressed people is

578
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Speaker 5: to have really robust passwords. You know, people find it

579
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Speaker 5: to be annoying. But multi factor authentication which means you know,

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Speaker 5: you uh, put in your password and you wind up

581
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Speaker 5: getting you know, oppose your phone or something like that,

582
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Speaker 5: and it is a pain in the neck. But you

583
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: should have a different password for every account. Using a

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Speaker 5: password manager is quite helpful with that. You know, always

585
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Speaker 5: make sure your programs and your software up to date

586
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Speaker 5: that you're installing, you know, anti virus and malware. If

587
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 5: you're out in public and you're using Wi Fi, to

588
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 5: make sure you're using a VPN on your phone or

589
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Speaker 5: your lap top. That's going to protect you know, against

590
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Speaker 5: fishing attacks and basically the criminals they just want your

591
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Speaker 5: personal information.

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the things.

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Speaker 2: That I've noticed a lot lately is you get this

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Speaker 2: bill from some company and as you know, your your

595
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Speaker 2: your you, you will be charged four hundred and ninety

596
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Speaker 2: nine dollars ninety nine cents for the service. Yeah, all

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Speaker 2: I do is I I have a very simple procedure.

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Speaker 2: I look at the You could look very easily if

599
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Speaker 2: someone shows you who has sent that to you, and

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Speaker 2: normally it's like very it's never the name of the company,

601
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Speaker 2: and so you immediately you.

602
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Speaker 3: Say, block, block, just block.

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Speaker 2: The other thing which you get now is that I've

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Speaker 2: been getting the last couple of weeks a lot of

605
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Speaker 2: g You're a passenger, You're such a loyal passenger on

606
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Speaker 2: Delta Airlines.

607
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Speaker 3: We want to send you a gift. Police click here.

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Speaker 3: I have a phone down for a long time, So

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Speaker 3: just use your head.

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00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: You know, as your mother told you when you were young.

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Speaker 2: And I think that sounds too good to be true.

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00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: Probably is, and it just you know, don't allow your

613
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: curiosity to overcome you. I'm an inherently curious person, and

614
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: I have to be because that's.

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Speaker 3: What I do for my job.

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Speaker 2: I need to know a lot about a lot of things,

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Speaker 2: but but I just don't want to. Is there a

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Speaker 2: good password manager that you would suggest to people out there?

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Speaker 3: The companies that.

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Speaker 5: Provide Yeah, I mean pretty much most of them do.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you can you know, like Nord, you know

622
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Speaker 5: has something, you know, Nord password management. Most most of

623
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 5: the time, you know, you can just purchase it's a service.

624
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 5: Sometimes they come free with your you know, cable subscriptions,

625
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 5: and basically you set them up and it's kind of

626
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 5: like if you have Google saving your passwords for you

627
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 5: it's kind of similar to that where it'll just automatically

628
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Speaker 5: ask you if if you want it to create a password,

629
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Speaker 5: and so it's stores all of them for you.

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Speaker 6: They're unique.

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Speaker 5: There are over twelve characters. Of course you won't remember them,

632
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: but you know, the the other thing if people don't

633
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 5: want to use a password manager is to come up

634
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 5: with a phrase and then you would take the first

635
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 5: letter of you know, each of the words, and you

636
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 5: can because no one's good and it has to be

637
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 5: something very silly. It could be I like ice cream

638
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: in the park, and you know, you would have the

639
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 5: first letter I and then the next letter you know,

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00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 5: capital lowercase, and so you can do something like that,

641
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 5: which is what I do because I, you know, I

642
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 5: never trust anything. But yeah, and one of the things

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Speaker 5: that I just want to mention, I know you were

644
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Speaker 5: saying about looking into the browser and looking at you know,

645
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 5: who's sending you the website address. Cyber criminals are getting

646
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 5: very very savvy and they will, you know, make a

647
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: phishing email look exactly like you know, a bank, let's say,

648
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Speaker 5: and they may have just one character different in in

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Speaker 5: the in the web side address. So that's like just

650
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 5: something to be aware of you know, and there's also

651
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 5: a few other scams. You know, they're called vishing where

652
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 5: people can call you and those AI deep fakes are

653
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 5: getting very good at that. And then there's quishing, which

654
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: is where you get packages in the mail and they

655
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 5: might have a QR code on it and they'll tell you, oh,

656
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 5: scam this and you're going to get a present or

657
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 5: a prize or find more information. So that's something else

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00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 5: to look out for.

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Speaker 2: All good advice, Stephanie, All great advice. How can folks

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Speaker 2: follow you or find your website? Most most people like yourself,

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Speaker 2: like to interact with others. Do you have a website

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Speaker 2: we can direct bee?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, I'm at cybernews dot com. I'm one

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Speaker 5: of the journalists at cybernews dot com. And you can

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Speaker 5: also find me on Twitter or x excuse me at

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Speaker 5: Steph Shapper. So that's my handle at Steph Shapper. And

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Speaker 5: uh yeah, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: And shopperd is s C H A P P E R. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: all right, thank you, Stefan. We'll have you back. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. I enjoyed the conversation. For a great night,

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Speaker 3: good night, bye bye.

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Speaker 2: When we get back, we're going to talk with the

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Speaker 2: owner of Grendel's Den and the Seahawt hag.

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Speaker 3: Uh in Cambridge.

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Speaker 2: Uh, there's been a real jump in the commercial real

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Speaker 2: estate tax obligations that are now imposed upon business and

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Speaker 2: commercial owners in Cambridge. This is going to get ugly

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Speaker 2: over in Cambridge. We'll be back right after the nine

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Speaker 2: o'clock news on night Side